I knew what this was gonna be the moment I saw the thumbnail and title. I still find it fascinating that we got a whole new character plus a video game explaining Adi's absence in AOT, just because of a recast, despite Adi essentially being a nameless background character in the movies. Guess even George goes in as deep as some fans to.
Actually kit fisto takes his place, then Depa billaba is badly wounded by general grievous at the beginning of the clone wars, and that’s how Obi wan got on. He replaced her.
@@Vanilla-FrogsIn the original Clone Wars timeline before TCW, Depa Billaba falls to the dark side and gets imprisoned. I think her ultimate fate was never revealed, but it would make sense if she became an inquisitor
In one of Disney’s new(ish) Vader series, they actually show he joined some kind of force priests on a backwater planet and started a family after he left the order. And a couple years into the rein of the empire, Vader and a handful of inquisitors find him and kill him and his wife, and the inquisitors steal his force sensitive kid to be trained by them. I’ll have to find the exact issue number but it’s a pretty cool end to his story.
With the original Star Wars, George Lucas clearly wanted to establish some kind of vibe with character accents, despite nearly all the actors being british, so there's a lot of dubbing over people and british actors putting on fake american accents. They also supposedly dubbed over a woman because it was deemed too dark for female pilots to be dying in the Battle of Endor (presumably also why an old lady pilot was cut) Following from that, it makes more sense why Phantom Menace did so much with more exotic accents for all the aliens, which was poorly received. I think the Clone Wars cartoon had more success with throwing around accents with French Twileks and Dee Bradley Baker doing lots and lots of his New Zealander impression
I think a lot of us millennials are very familiar with the Episode 1 council because they were in all the 90s video games we played over and over again and all over all the mountains of merchandise. What a wild time to be a kid!
I miss that shit so much. Early prequels content was a wild time and so many people forget or just don't know about it. Back when Mace Windu had a blue lightsaber! Back when Plo Koon could cast force lightening (but it was yellow and called "Force Judgement). Back when red lightsabers weren't automatically associated with sith. I don't even think the concept of sith was even really developed yet. So many fan theories of what the Clone Wars would end up being too!!!
Eeth Koth was originally aboard the gunship that explodes next to Anakin and Obi-Wan’s in Episode 2. He was cooked in the crash on Geonosis. Dave Filoni went to George and asked to resurrect him.
I actually kinda like that Lucas and other contributors to the lore got caught up in the little unnoticed details in the background. I like that almost every background character as a some back story.
It happens more often than you think, writers usually care more about the stories and less about tiny details. The creator of Dragonball Akira Toriyama was notorious for forgetting characters he created lol
There's the whole Sifo Dyas was "Sido Dyas" in the original script - Implying that Palpatine may have been a Jedi at one point. There was also some marketing material for Episode I that showed a brown-haired, clean-shaven white guy who was listed as "Bail Organa" but once the film came out, it was changed to "Bail Antilles" because apparently that surname is super common in the Star Wars galaxy.
@@night6724 Right, but in the earlier script - the one that had books go out right before the film came out, it was "Sido Dyas" which was clearly meant to be "Sidious"
The funniest one to me was Sheev saying, "Bail Antilles" and then George changing his married name to Organa after the fact with zero explanation when there was a Captain Antilles and a Wedge Antilles. Needlessly confusing indeed. EDIT: LOL I typed this before you mentioned it. Hilarious.
This was because in episode 1 Lucas had cast Adrian Dunbar as Bail Organa but then changed his mind and cut him and decided to recast him with Jimmy Smits in 2 and 3. So he just switched the name to Bail Antilles. I think Lucas just likes the name Antilles because the name has been around since the beginning in different iterations of the story process.
Edit: I typed this before the previous comment. Isn’t there a deleted scene with Bail Antilles. The actor is definitely not the same as Bail Organa so aren’t they two different characters too?
@@bossman4799they’re absolutely different characters in legends. Bail Antilles in legends was a major rival to Finis Valorum and actually was the senator who lead the campaign to have Valorum ousted for “the Eriadu affair”, in which Darth Sidious and Darth Maul orchestrate a ridiculously convoluted plan involving a terrorist group called the Nubula Front hiring a team of mercenaries to raid a bunch of trade federation ships and steal precious metal ingots, then attempt to assassinate Valorum at a conference with the trade federation directorate on Eriadu to agree to terms on taxing the free trade zones in exchange for the federation being allowed to heavily arm its ships to protect them from pirates, only for the trade federation’s droids to malfunction and assassinate the TF directorate members once the Jedi activate the shield protecting Valorum from the Nebula Front snipers attempting to kill him. This allows Nute Gunray to be promoted to the now vacant trade federation directorate and allows him to stack it with Neimoidian sycophants. Then Orn Fre Taa discovers that the ingots stolen from the trade federation were mysteriously converted into credits and invested into companies owned by Valorum’s family members by investors who appear not to have existed, which makes it look like Valorum was illegally enriching himself by instigating thefts on trade federation ships so that they’d _have_ to campaign for militarization, and in exchange would be taxed heavily by the Republic. This scandal effectively strips Valorum of all his political power and leaves him a lame duck chancellor. Orn Fre Taa gives the data implicating Valorum to Palpatine, who in tells him to give it to Bail Antilles, knowing Antilles will snitch on Valorum to the senate investigatory committee and will pursue legal action against Valorum. Antilles’ efforts to have Valorum charged actually end up making him very unpopular in the Senate, and tanks his shot at being elected the next Chancellor, allowing Palpatine to become the new favourite.
This reminds me how Rune Haako, the advisor of Nute Gunray from TPM is suppose to be the Nemoidian with Gunray in Episode 2, but they sound completely different there and looks slightly different overall.
That's because the production team lost Haako's mask and had to use Lott Dod's (the TF Senator). In Episode III, Haako has another mask much closer to the one he wore aboard the Saak'ak in Episode I.
Honourable mention to the vaguely Chiss-looking and Gran councilmen seen in one Grievous comic and never again, whose timelines do not really line up with any known gaps, so their presence on the council is questionable.
I for one am offended that Lucasfilm didn't trust us fans to recognize that Yoda sometimes dresses in drag for youngling story time and felt the need to invent the character of Yaddle out of nowjere.
Was not happy about how they killed off Adi in the Clone Wars. The comics and Jedi Starfighter made her out to be way to much of a badass to die like that.
Eath Koth was the best case argument for this was all just the same guy - too visually similar at a glance and no one would be the wiser. The Adi Galia switch was the goofiest - switching actress for a scene because actor unavailable, but same character, kill her off later THEN replace with a near identical cousin...the cousin part is the goofy thing. Why replace with a similar character that's just gonna confuse people and seem like the same one? I agree the Clone Wars series was a good opportunity to kill off some in the war and replace them, but replace them with meaningful NEW characters that look different...not just lookalikes.
The Eeth Koth one is reasonable because one looks black and the other looks South Asian. You could get away with it. However the Adi Galia one was just Lucas taking the piss surely.
I just remembered this: Denis Lawson was Space Jesus’s uncle! If Higgs didn’t have trouble with his, lines, there wouldn’t have been an uncle to inspire Ewan McGregor, and thus not perfect conviction in “Hello there!”
Good story behind this (IIRC from Cinefex no. 78, the Phantom Menace issue). When the intended CGI version of the Nemoidians (essentially what would become the Geonosians) couldn't be delivered on time/budget, George decided to go with a different entirely-practical-mask look. With very little design time left before shooting started, he flicked through an archive book of Cantina aliens, spotted the two Duros masks and said "they'll do". And thus the Nemoidians we know were born.
3:46 at least for a character like Plo Koon you couldn’t tell they replaced the actor that was in the first 2 with a new guy for the third film, sadly for the new guy they didn’t recast the faceplate so he had to wear the face plate that was made to fit Alan Ruscoe.
7:33 Ah yes, 'Jedi Dartboard' approach which led to many of the retcons I hate... (Also I think that Eeth Koth's original fate was being in the random LAAT that gets shot down in AotC, that's a retcon I'm fine with since other Jedi like Sora Bulq survived the same crash).
I believe in legends eeth koth died in aotc when his gunship got shot down right in front of mace windu. Also, in some of the behind the scenes of tcw dave mentioned to george that eeth was already dead at that point but decided to put him in anyway. I kind of wished that they had instead put agen kolar in instead of eeth koth, so those of us who still like to put canon and legends together wouldn't be a big problem.
I like how you think most people would even know that characters from the ep 2 fight were in the films outside of the fight and not just extras.When you first showed the 2 characters I wondered what they were from because I didnt remember a spiky headed jedi at all let alone 2.
lol Star Wars die hard fans pick up on it. When I was a kid, I had a TON of Star Wars reference books that used to explain all this stuff. I ended up learning more about that than real history lol
Four pairs actually - Depa Billaba was recast as well for the Battle of Geonosis, but similarly her recast actor was reassigned a new character, Depa's cousin, Sar Labooda. Regarding Wedge though, Fake Wedge is a separate canon character, even though they share a voice in the A New Hope. He's even got his own story in FACPOV! The two Colemans is because there were two separate Colemans involved with production - Robert Coleman (Trebor) and Jack Coleman (Kcaj)
@@night6724 No because that would make too much sense for a Tuckerisation! Instead we just got their last names as first names and their first names inverted as last names!
The funny thing is, the actress who played Stass Allie in Ep3 Order 66 scene looks way closer to Adi Gallia's Actress from Ep1 than the other Stass Allie's actress in Ep2
Adi Gallia not being in the arena makes sense from an old lore perspective as she was piloting a jedi starfighter during the battle of geonosis in the game Jedi Starfighter.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Backstreet Boy characters", but some of the Jedi seen in the prequels were from the extended universe, with the most famous example being Aayla Secura - who was added into the background for maybe 2 seconds in Episode 1, Jedi Temple scenes (walking around) & Geonosis in Episode 2, and on Felucia in Episode 3. In Episode 2 especially, George wanted there to be at least 50 Jedi on screen in the colosseum, and wanted a good mix of alien & human jedi there, so not only did they make quite a few on the spot for Episode 2, but they also pull some from other sources that exist during that timeframe just to make up the numbers.
This explains a lot, but in retrospect, I'm shocked we were never told that Kit Fisto wasn't in Episode 3, and we were instead seeing his cousin, Kat Fasto. One more action figure for the collectors!
I've always wanted someone to talk about this. You get the same thing with the characters of Pablo-Jil and Coleman Kcaj, and Depa Billaba and Sar Labooda. I think both Adi and Eeth would be tremendously more beloved characters if we had them through each of the prequel films, and having more of a connection if they die where they're doppelgängers die. We also won't have the situation of literally knowing nothing about Stass, Agen, and Coleman. There is still confusion with the official database for Obi-Wan Kenobi on whether or not we see Pablo-Jil or Coleman Kcaj in the tomb. Ironic with all the special edition and tweaks that have been made to the films, we still have these four cases running around.
I had a crazy video idea, idk if you've done it already, but if you were given total control of star wars, what would you canonize and decanonize (or if you didn't decanonize anything, how would you handle it?)
Eeth Koth survived Geonosis and was captured by Greivous at one point. The Clone Wars TV Show is part of Legends up until season 7. At which point it crosses into Disney canon.
@@-CrimsoN- OK cheers, I just know that a lot of people talk about how 2008 TCW retconned a lot of legend material, such as Even Piell and Adi Gallia's deaths, but it's still mt favourite TV show ever.
Not for nothing, but as fun as the Star Wars property is, it's always been goofy. I'm genuinely surprised that so many people take this IP so seriously. None of the space battles are ever remotely realistic, they all function as if they are flying in atmosphere most of the time. The strategies they employ in space combat is also like WWI and WWII as well, which was fine in the 80s but still, it makes no sense. Lightsabers make no sense, why does the light stop at a certain length... Why does the light portion have weight to it... Why are force users able to redirect blaster fire but not just activate their light saber and rip chunks of light from that and force throw at targets... How can a lightsaber be so hot to melt hulls and blaster doors but cool enough to be in your hands and inches from body parts in some scenes. Why don't they cause massive explosions when Lightsabers come in contact with each other. Why do force users fall to their death? They are essentially just using telekinesis, if they can make things float then they can make themselves float and even fly. They should be able to fly in space even, create a bubble of atmosphere around themselves with telekinesis and then push that bubble around wherever they want to go. They can mind wipe but not mind read? What kind of telepathy is this... We are all seeing how this is really a story about one religious group Jedi (Christian, maybe catholic specifically) focused on virgin birth, resurrection, rebirth and afterlife vs Sith (Muslims) and how they both want to run the world their way and prevent the other from existing right. We do all see this... Oh and further, how the 3rd group (Jewish?, Buddhist?) thinks they both have it wrong and should balance both aspects instead of just being extreme in either direction. There is no Earth in star wars right? Yet, everyone except like 5 people have British accents... Why does Darth Vader have a black guys voice 😅 till this day I've never understood why give him a black guy voice if he's white and has his own not booming/cool sounding voice whining about sand outside armor. Don't get me wrong, I'm an 80s baby loved this stuff growing up. Now, as an adult it's still fun, but there's no way my sci fi indulged mind can take anything Star Wars does seriously. There are so many better and realistic properties yall need to be cheering and pushing for over this, like The Expanse etc. Star wars should be the goofy IP filling kids imagination with wonder and awe, not adults taking it seriously like this really matters. How can we also look at TMNT, Transformers, and He-Man and realize it's just supposed to be fun and not taken so seriously, and not do the same for Star Wars?
While in the EU the clone rifle was the DC-15A and the carbine was the DC-15S. Makes sense (S for 'short'?). In canon they decided that both are the the term DC-15A applies to both the rifle and carbine with those words needing to be added to distinguish them, which is so dumb and needlessly confusing.
I wonder if it was a contract thing too. Like they were contracted to play that character for 3 movies and would have to be paid regardless if their character appeared on screen even being played by another actor. Happens allll the time
This was something that always confused the hell out of me as a kid, especially when the clone wars episode came out where grievous captures eeth koth, and adi gallia, anakin, and obi wan go to rescue him, especially after watching the movies and seeing toys at the store for years first
Hey question who’s the editor of this video? I saw the editors note implying it’s somebody else but don’t see anybody credited in the description as the editor.
Yeah, growing up, I always thought they were just recast and that it was fine, since they were just background characters. I think making them distinctly different characters was more confusing haha. Only one that sort of made sense as separate characters were the 2 Zabrak.
My head cannon is that because the Force seems to be inherited and run in families that families with with recurring Force Sensitivity become local powerful families. And so, like Samurai in a Kurosawa film, you get Jedi with lineage going back centuries ... and a lot of them end up on the council.. I wanted that to be the story of what Dooku got to be a Count, but they went another direction.
So the same thing happened with Depa Billaba, similar sorry the original actress couldn't make it for the area scene so they used a stand in which is now known as Jedi Master Sar Labooda, and Billaba's sister in legends & canon
Ironically I feel the Twi’lek suffered the opposite I don’t think Bib Fortuna and Oola were meant to be the same species. But EU authors decided to use both their designs since they both had head tails as twilek I also find it interesting that the only other Togruta in the prequels was a youngling who looks exactly like Shaak Ti
I know it’s probably just animation error but Cody just straight up disappeared in the clone wars movie in the beginning and then at the end he’s directing gunships without his visor and also somehow in the gunships going to Teth when Obi wan arrives
I'm pretty sure the Eeth Koth died on Geonosis in legends, only for The Clone Wars to retcon that. Which I guess was to explain his actual absence for AOTC.
Always a much more intriguing topic IMO-impact of BTS elements on story execution, like presence of seemingly primitive tech in OT vs later films. Truth is that SW civilization will have seen things like singularities/AI disasters and has probably learned some costly lessons, making it preferable to have dumbed-down tech in many instances, explaining why the tech doesn’t evolve much over thousands of years. Also the kit-bashed, gray aesthetic of OT Imperial ships reflects their cold, mass-produced military machine, etc.
They could write a whole story about Kit Fisto's drastic change between Ep. 2 and 3. Reminds me of the famous "1000 yard stare" image. Dude definitely saw some shit.
It is for this reason that I believe that Kit Fisto was not in Palpatine's office. We are supposed to believe that these lookalikes are different characters, but these two completely different looking Nautolans are both Kit Fisto? I think not!
. . .but which Adi Gallia death was worse: being head gored by Savage Opress on Florum or being gutted by General Grevious' Lightsabers on Boz Pity? in all things Star Wars, i choose the Expanded Universe variant.
Those people who made the decisions to make these different characters were actually geniuses. They know how many death threats they would avoid from the fan base by reducing the number of continuity errors.
This reminds me of George Lucas saying "I don't like it when characters die". He said every character is interesting and it always kills a lot of options and speculative freedom for later projects. That's why most of his "kill-offs" are something like falling down or getting out of sight. Things like decapitating Jango were originally not the plan.
This is the difference between actual film cannon, and what is now known as official cannon, which is based on comic/videogame/novel crap. Those are obviously recast characters. Does that mean the stand in for Mace windu on Naboo is actually another character now?
I never noticed there were three wedges, hell when I was a kid I didnt even care about the background characters. I didnt even know people gave a crap about them to the point of being featured prominently in Legends. That was one of the reasons I started subscribing to Star Wars youtubers such as yourself Eckhart, the curiosity to learn what kind of insignificant detail could spiral into something interesting or simply idiotic haha.
3:29 Stass Allie was meant to be the same person as Adi Gallia but the actor for Stass was just as good and a tad darker in skin as she was originally from Tanzinia. George liked both of them so created a new character. The reason you stated was only half the truth.
Just a daily reminder to never delete that outro- it is the best
Yep yep yep
Salute o7
Yessss
It calms me down after a long day
RUclips copyright: I will do what I must
Eck: you will try
Diversity requirements, the council has. Tax breaks the Jedi Order must get. Fucking expensive, Coruscant rent is.
underrated lol
Yoda gotta fund his life style somehow
That's because he spends all the councils money on drugs.
😂
@@felipeaugusto2600 Glory to Arstotzka.
This is getting out of hand. Now there are two of them!
Underrated.
Always two there are.
Perfect. Well played
2:44 Yaddle wouldn’t have accidentally called him the wrong name, because she would have been dead before he relinquished his seat on the council. 🤓
I, for one, am glad Yaddle was dead by then. Take that as you will.
I knew what this was gonna be the moment I saw the thumbnail and title.
I still find it fascinating that we got a whole new character plus a video game explaining Adi's absence in AOT, just because of a recast, despite Adi essentially being a nameless background character in the movies. Guess even George goes in as deep as some fans to.
that game made adi my favorite jedi side character.
Bad acting and plot is bad
@@mattmmilli8287 No one cares
So is it also NOT Mace Windu who meets up with Palpatine and Anakin on Naboo as they're arriving for Qui Gon's funeral?
Yep, just what I was about to point out. There's also in that scene, if I remember right, a replacement actor for one of the Naboo dignitaries.
I don't think that one was ever explained.
That was Face Dooro, Windu's father's uncle's neighbour's roommate.
@Matamanplay so what does that make them?
That was Mac Intosh, Windu's nemesis from Haarun Kaal.
6:33 “Who gets just annihilated in episode 2 by Jango Fett, which was nice because it opened up a space on the council for Obi-Wan” 💀
Actually kit fisto takes his place, then Depa billaba is badly wounded by general grievous at the beginning of the clone wars, and that’s how Obi wan got on. He replaced her.
@@Vanilla-FrogsIn the original Clone Wars timeline before TCW, Depa Billaba falls to the dark side and gets imprisoned. I think her ultimate fate was never revealed, but it would make sense if she became an inquisitor
@@wilhufftarkin8543 no, that’s in legends. She dies during order 66 in cannon.
@@Vanilla-Frogs That's what I said
@@wilhufftarkin8543 no, you said we didn’t know how she died. We do
I always love the dog clip in the outro, so goofy in a loveable way.
My headcanon is that maybe Eeth Koth just went on vacation and got a nice tan.
In one of Disney’s new(ish) Vader series, they actually show he joined some kind of force priests on a backwater planet and started a family after he left the order.
And a couple years into the rein of the empire, Vader and a handful of inquisitors find him and kill him and his wife, and the inquisitors steal his force sensitive kid to be trained by them. I’ll have to find the exact issue number but it’s a pretty cool end to his story.
With the original Star Wars, George Lucas clearly wanted to establish some kind of vibe with character accents, despite nearly all the actors being british, so there's a lot of dubbing over people and british actors putting on fake american accents. They also supposedly dubbed over a woman because it was deemed too dark for female pilots to be dying in the Battle of Endor (presumably also why an old lady pilot was cut)
Following from that, it makes more sense why Phantom Menace did so much with more exotic accents for all the aliens, which was poorly received. I think the Clone Wars cartoon had more success with throwing around accents with French Twileks and Dee Bradley Baker doing lots and lots of his New Zealander impression
I think a lot of us millennials are very familiar with the Episode 1 council because they were in all the 90s video games we played over and over again and all over all the mountains of merchandise. What a wild time to be a kid!
Jedi Power Battles 👍🏻
I miss that shit so much. Early prequels content was a wild time and so many people forget or just don't know about it. Back when Mace Windu had a blue lightsaber! Back when Plo Koon could cast force lightening (but it was yellow and called "Force Judgement). Back when red lightsabers weren't automatically associated with sith. I don't even think the concept of sith was even really developed yet. So many fan theories of what the Clone Wars would end up being too!!!
Same with the Pod Racers
...Damn. All the research I did told me to skip those.
Eeth Koth was originally aboard the gunship that explodes next to Anakin and Obi-Wan’s in Episode 2. He was cooked in the crash on Geonosis. Dave Filoni went to George and asked to resurrect him.
Kit Fisto's change in appearance between Episode II and Episode III could just be what war trauma and lack of sleep looks like on his species.
That Kit Fisto bit lmao Im dead "the man looks like a freak" lmao
He said "he's IN one!" Whats that mean lol
I actually kinda like that Lucas and other contributors to the lore got caught up in the little unnoticed details in the background. I like that almost every background character as a some back story.
It happens more often than you think, writers usually care more about the stories and less about tiny details. The creator of Dragonball Akira Toriyama was notorious for forgetting characters he created lol
@@Outstralian Launch and frigging Goten of all people 🤣 🤣
Next you're going to tell me that all the stunt doubles are actually separate characters!
There's the whole Sifo Dyas was "Sido Dyas" in the original script - Implying that Palpatine may have been a Jedi at one point.
There was also some marketing material for Episode I that showed a brown-haired, clean-shaven white guy who was listed as "Bail Organa" but once the film came out, it was changed to "Bail Antilles" because apparently that surname is super common in the Star Wars galaxy.
Clone Wars revealed there was in fact a Jedi named Sifo Dyas and Dooku killed him to pose as him for the Kaminoeans
@@night6724 Right, but in the earlier script - the one that had books go out right before the film came out, it was "Sido Dyas" which was clearly meant to be "Sidious"
The funniest one to me was Sheev saying, "Bail Antilles" and then George changing his married name to Organa after the fact with zero explanation when there was a Captain Antilles and a Wedge Antilles. Needlessly confusing indeed.
EDIT: LOL I typed this before you mentioned it. Hilarious.
That was Panaka, not the Sheevie.
This was because in episode 1 Lucas had cast Adrian Dunbar as Bail Organa but then changed his mind and cut him and decided to recast him with Jimmy Smits in 2 and 3. So he just switched the name to Bail Antilles. I think Lucas just likes the name Antilles because the name has been around since the beginning in different iterations of the story process.
Edit: I typed this before the previous comment.
Isn’t there a deleted scene with Bail Antilles. The actor is definitely not the same as Bail Organa so aren’t they two different characters too?
@@bossman4799they’re absolutely different characters in legends. Bail Antilles in legends was a major rival to Finis Valorum and actually was the senator who lead the campaign to have Valorum ousted for “the Eriadu affair”, in which Darth Sidious and Darth Maul orchestrate a ridiculously convoluted plan involving a terrorist group called the Nubula Front hiring a team of mercenaries to raid a bunch of trade federation ships and steal precious metal ingots, then attempt to assassinate Valorum at a conference with the trade federation directorate on Eriadu to agree to terms on taxing the free trade zones in exchange for the federation being allowed to heavily arm its ships to protect them from pirates, only for the trade federation’s droids to malfunction and assassinate the TF directorate members once the Jedi activate the shield protecting Valorum from the Nebula Front snipers attempting to kill him. This allows Nute Gunray to be promoted to the now vacant trade federation directorate and allows him to stack it with Neimoidian sycophants. Then Orn Fre Taa discovers that the ingots stolen from the trade federation were mysteriously converted into credits and invested into companies owned by Valorum’s family members by investors who appear not to have existed, which makes it look like Valorum was illegally enriching himself by instigating thefts on trade federation ships so that they’d _have_ to campaign for militarization, and in exchange would be taxed heavily by the Republic. This scandal effectively strips Valorum of all his political power and leaves him a lame duck chancellor. Orn Fre Taa gives the data implicating Valorum to Palpatine, who in tells him to give it to Bail Antilles, knowing Antilles will snitch on Valorum to the senate investigatory committee and will pursue legal action against Valorum. Antilles’ efforts to have Valorum charged actually end up making him very unpopular in the Senate, and tanks his shot at being elected the next Chancellor, allowing Palpatine to become the new favourite.
Pretty sure Antilles is the Smith of the GFFA
This reminds me how Rune Haako, the advisor of Nute Gunray from TPM is suppose to be the Nemoidian with Gunray in Episode 2, but they sound completely different there and looks slightly different overall.
That's because the production team lost Haako's mask and had to use Lott Dod's (the TF Senator). In Episode III, Haako has another mask much closer to the one he wore aboard the Saak'ak in Episode I.
Honourable mention to the vaguely Chiss-looking and Gran councilmen seen in one Grievous comic and never again, whose timelines do not really line up with any known gaps, so their presence on the council is questionable.
They were a very tired pantoran with red eye. The pantoran version of pink eye
Those were just the janitor and a pizza delivery guy, caught in the moment
I had an Eeth Koth action figure.... and all of a sudden there was this Agen Kolar guy.... i wondered what happened to Eeth Koth
I for one am offended that Lucasfilm didn't trust us fans to recognize that Yoda sometimes dresses in drag for youngling story time and felt the need to invent the character of Yaddle out of nowjere.
Was not happy about how they killed off Adi in the Clone Wars. The comics and Jedi Starfighter made her out to be way to much of a badass to die like that.
Eath Koth was the best case argument for this was all just the same guy - too visually similar at a glance and no one would be the wiser. The Adi Galia switch was the goofiest - switching actress for a scene because actor unavailable, but same character, kill her off later THEN replace with a near identical cousin...the cousin part is the goofy thing. Why replace with a similar character that's just gonna confuse people and seem like the same one? I agree the Clone Wars series was a good opportunity to kill off some in the war and replace them, but replace them with meaningful NEW characters that look different...not just lookalikes.
The Eeth Koth one is reasonable because one looks black and the other looks South Asian. You could get away with it. However the Adi Galia one was just Lucas taking the piss surely.
I just remembered this: Denis Lawson was Space Jesus’s uncle! If Higgs didn’t have trouble with his, lines, there wouldn’t have been an uncle to inspire Ewan McGregor, and thus not perfect conviction in “Hello there!”
At one point in the EU, the Duros and Neimoidians were supposed to be the same species.
Good story behind this (IIRC from Cinefex no. 78, the Phantom Menace issue).
When the intended CGI version of the Nemoidians (essentially what would become the Geonosians) couldn't be delivered on time/budget, George decided to go with a different entirely-practical-mask look.
With very little design time left before shooting started, he flicked through an archive book of Cantina aliens, spotted the two Duros masks and said "they'll do".
And thus the Nemoidians we know were born.
Oh no
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As far as in-universe sources go, I believe they also have the same racial ancestry. I like that. It's realistic.
WAIT… what game is that at the end of the video with R2D2 and Perry the Platypus fighting???
3:46 at least for a character like Plo Koon you couldn’t tell they replaced the actor that was in the first 2 with a new guy for the third film, sadly for the new guy they didn’t recast the faceplate so he had to wear the face plate that was made to fit Alan Ruscoe.
I kinda wish we could get stories of eeth koth and agen kolar and/or stass allie and adi gallia teaming up to go on a mission for the council.
7:33 Ah yes, 'Jedi Dartboard' approach which led to many of the retcons I hate...
(Also I think that Eeth Koth's original fate was being in the random LAAT that gets shot down in AotC, that's a retcon I'm fine with since other Jedi like Sora Bulq survived the same crash).
6:40 and both of the colemans got their names are tuckerizations of people who worked on the films. Robert coleman and his son, Jack.
The power of one.
The power of two.
The power of maannnnyyyyyy.
“If you die in the Antilles state, Wedge Antilles will cease to exist” {row of wedge Antilles doppelgängers disappearing}
Kit’s new appearance in episode III is explained by that being after Amidala learned he was called “Fisto”.
I believe in legends eeth koth died in aotc when his gunship got shot down right in front of mace windu. Also, in some of the behind the scenes of tcw dave mentioned to george that eeth was already dead at that point but decided to put him in anyway. I kind of wished that they had instead put agen kolar in instead of eeth koth, so those of us who still like to put canon and legends together wouldn't be a big problem.
I like how you think most people would even know that characters from the ep 2 fight were in the films outside of the fight and not just extras.When you first showed the 2 characters I wondered what they were from because I didnt remember a spiky headed jedi at all let alone 2.
lol Star Wars die hard fans pick up on it. When I was a kid, I had a TON of Star Wars reference books that used to explain all this stuff. I ended up learning more about that than real history lol
Four pairs actually - Depa Billaba was recast as well for the Battle of Geonosis, but similarly her recast actor was reassigned a new character, Depa's cousin, Sar Labooda.
Regarding Wedge though, Fake Wedge is a separate canon character, even though they share a voice in the A New Hope. He's even got his own story in FACPOV!
The two Colemans is because there were two separate Colemans involved with production - Robert Coleman (Trebor) and Jack Coleman (Kcaj)
Couldn’t they already call one of them Col’em-an?
@@night6724 No because that would make too much sense for a Tuckerisation! Instead we just got their last names as first names and their first names inverted as last names!
Ok, I gotta know. What's the game at the end where R2 is duking it out with Perry the Platapus on an 32-bit version of the Termina arena?
Production members as background extras or cameos would be a cool one to do
I was always curious why Darths & Droids decided to make Wedge a shapeshifter, but now after this video, I understand.
If Jedi are supposed to forgo all personal attachments, why are Adi and Stass both allowed to be on the Council?
Can’t believe you didn’t bring up Depa Billaba and her sister.
The funny thing is, the actress who played Stass Allie in Ep3 Order 66 scene looks way closer to Adi Gallia's Actress from Ep1 than the other Stass Allie's actress in Ep2
I need to know, what game can Parry the Platypus fight R2-D2 on a link map?
Rivals of Aether
"I'm not Adi; I'm my original character, *BLADI* !"
Great video. Just did a video on the council myself 👍
Adi Gallia not being in the arena makes sense from an old lore perspective as she was piloting a jedi starfighter during the battle of geonosis in the game Jedi Starfighter.
Wow. I knew about all these characters but never thought about them at the same time, so they were just interchangeable in my head lmao
Gets worse when you consider Pablo-Jil/Coleman Kcaj and Depa Billaba/Sar Labooda.
Were the Backstreet Boy characters in episode 2 actual characters from the extended Star Wars universe?
I'm not sure what you mean by "Backstreet Boy characters", but some of the Jedi seen in the prequels were from the extended universe, with the most famous example being Aayla Secura - who was added into the background for maybe 2 seconds in Episode 1, Jedi Temple scenes (walking around) & Geonosis in Episode 2, and on Felucia in Episode 3.
In Episode 2 especially, George wanted there to be at least 50 Jedi on screen in the colosseum, and wanted a good mix of alien & human jedi there, so not only did they make quite a few on the spot for Episode 2, but they also pull some from other sources that exist during that timeframe just to make up the numbers.
This explains a lot, but in retrospect, I'm shocked we were never told that Kit Fisto wasn't in Episode 3, and we were instead seeing his cousin, Kat Fasto. One more action figure for the collectors!
I've always wanted someone to talk about this. You get the same thing with the characters of Pablo-Jil and Coleman Kcaj, and Depa Billaba and Sar Labooda. I think both Adi and Eeth would be tremendously more beloved characters if we had them through each of the prequel films, and having more of a connection if they die where they're doppelgängers die. We also won't have the situation of literally knowing nothing about Stass, Agen, and Coleman. There is still confusion with the official database for Obi-Wan Kenobi on whether or not we see Pablo-Jil or Coleman Kcaj in the tomb. Ironic with all the special edition and tweaks that have been made to the films, we still have these four cases running around.
7:45 what recent novel?
I had a crazy video idea, idk if you've done it already, but if you were given total control of star wars, what would you canonize and decanonize (or if you didn't decanonize anything, how would you handle it?)
I thought in Legends Eeth Koth died at the Battle of Geonosis
Eeth Koth survived Geonosis and was captured by Greivous at one point. The Clone Wars TV Show is part of Legends up until season 7. At which point it crosses into Disney canon.
@@-CrimsoN- OK cheers, I just know that a lot of people talk about how 2008 TCW retconned a lot of legend material, such as Even Piell and Adi Gallia's deaths, but it's still mt favourite TV show ever.
He did die, you see his gunship get obliterated, dave is just awful and broke canon every episode
Didn’t he survive the gunship explosion and turn to the dark side? I thought he killed Oppo in the comics.
@@Fordo007 Wasn't that Sora Bulq?
8:10 what's the game footage from?
Not for nothing, but as fun as the Star Wars property is, it's always been goofy. I'm genuinely surprised that so many people take this IP so seriously. None of the space battles are ever remotely realistic, they all function as if they are flying in atmosphere most of the time. The strategies they employ in space combat is also like WWI and WWII as well, which was fine in the 80s but still, it makes no sense.
Lightsabers make no sense, why does the light stop at a certain length... Why does the light portion have weight to it... Why are force users able to redirect blaster fire but not just activate their light saber and rip chunks of light from that and force throw at targets... How can a lightsaber be so hot to melt hulls and blaster doors but cool enough to be in your hands and inches from body parts in some scenes. Why don't they cause massive explosions when Lightsabers come in contact with each other.
Why do force users fall to their death? They are essentially just using telekinesis, if they can make things float then they can make themselves float and even fly. They should be able to fly in space even, create a bubble of atmosphere around themselves with telekinesis and then push that bubble around wherever they want to go.
They can mind wipe but not mind read? What kind of telepathy is this...
We are all seeing how this is really a story about one religious group Jedi (Christian, maybe catholic specifically) focused on virgin birth, resurrection, rebirth and afterlife vs Sith (Muslims) and how they both want to run the world their way and prevent the other from existing right. We do all see this... Oh and further, how the 3rd group (Jewish?, Buddhist?) thinks they both have it wrong and should balance both aspects instead of just being extreme in either direction.
There is no Earth in star wars right? Yet, everyone except like 5 people have British accents... Why does Darth Vader have a black guys voice 😅 till this day I've never understood why give him a black guy voice if he's white and has his own not booming/cool sounding voice whining about sand outside armor.
Don't get me wrong, I'm an 80s baby loved this stuff growing up. Now, as an adult it's still fun, but there's no way my sci fi indulged mind can take anything Star Wars does seriously. There are so many better and realistic properties yall need to be cheering and pushing for over this, like The Expanse etc. Star wars should be the goofy IP filling kids imagination with wonder and awe, not adults taking it seriously like this really matters. How can we also look at TMNT, Transformers, and He-Man and realize it's just supposed to be fun and not taken so seriously, and not do the same for Star Wars?
Whats the flash game the start at 8:10?
While in the EU the clone rifle was the DC-15A and the carbine was the DC-15S. Makes sense (S for 'short'?). In canon they decided that both are the the term DC-15A applies to both the rifle and carbine with those words needing to be added to distinguish them, which is so dumb and needlessly confusing.
I wonder if it was a contract thing too. Like they were contracted to play that character for 3 movies and would have to be paid regardless if their character appeared on screen even being played by another actor. Happens allll the time
I guarantee the phrase "What do you mean 'We all look alike!?!'" was used in the counsel chamber more than once.
Remember how Palpatine reacted of Eeth Koth becoming a priest! That was just funny how that cracked him up.
What game is being played at the end of the video? 8:13
This was something that always confused the hell out of me as a kid, especially when the clone wars episode came out where grievous captures eeth koth, and adi gallia, anakin, and obi wan go to rescue him, especially after watching the movies and seeing toys at the store for years first
Hey question who’s the editor of this video? I saw the editors note implying it’s somebody else but don’t see anybody credited in the description as the editor.
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@@MarMarBunbun oh heck yeah! Are you the editor for all videos on this channel? You do a great job!
@@ODISeth Not all of them but i've done pretty much most of the recent ones. Thank you! I try, glad you enjoy the videos
What is tahr game play in the back ground it looks cool I have never heard of that game
can anyone tell me what game is the background footage for this video?
Star Wars Hunters. New mobile game
@thesumofitsparts looks like smash bros at 1 point
@@tasso8419 thank you
@@Ragnorok657 That is Rivals of Aether
@@MarMarBunbun don't care my guy didn't ask
They all happened to just have identical twin siblings, this really explains how Shaak Ti managed to die so many times.
When are we going to get a series about Kitster Banai ?
wait the way i so confidently said eeth koth was at the sidious fight. ive literally always thought it was him😭😭
My Favorite Star Wars ADR has to be "TWO FIIIGHTERS VS A STAR DESTROYAHH" int he most southern drawl imaginable
Factions compared idea sci fi insect swarm. Such as Tyranids, arachnids, Zerg, rachni, terminids.
There...there is already alot of videos on that line up posted.
Yeah, growing up, I always thought they were just recast and that it was fine, since they were just background characters. I think making them distinctly different characters was more confusing haha.
Only one that sort of made sense as separate characters were the 2 Zabrak.
My head cannon is that because the Force seems to be inherited and run in families that families with with recurring Force Sensitivity become local powerful families. And so, like Samurai in a Kurosawa film, you get Jedi with lineage going back centuries ... and a lot of them end up on the council.. I wanted that to be the story of what Dooku got to be a Count, but they went another direction.
Does Yarael Poof get the pizza? If not then thats not the real Yarael Poof.
So the same thing happened with Depa Billaba, similar sorry the original actress couldn't make it for the area scene so they used a stand in which is now known as Jedi Master Sar Labooda, and Billaba's sister in legends & canon
Ironically I feel the Twi’lek suffered the opposite
I don’t think Bib Fortuna and Oola were meant to be the same species. But EU authors decided to use both their designs since they both had head tails as twilek
I also find it interesting that the only other Togruta in the prequels was a youngling who looks exactly like Shaak Ti
Just so you know. I’m all for using Star Wars Hunters gameplay as background gameplay all the time now. It’s amazing
The intro is iconic for eck too
I know it’s probably just animation error but Cody just straight up disappeared in the clone wars movie in the beginning and then at the end he’s directing gunships without his visor and also somehow in the gunships going to Teth when Obi wan arrives
I'm pretty sure the Eeth Koth died on Geonosis in legends, only for The Clone Wars to retcon that. Which I guess was to explain his actual absence for AOTC.
I think this is harmless goofiness. Kinda like classic Star Trek kitsch.
I remember buying a pack of the old Decipher SW CCG and pulling Wedge, looking at the picture and being like WTF is this... that's not Wedge :/
Its to sell more toys 👍
And to shut up annoying nerds complaints. Two birds one stone. 😁
A sorcerer did it.
I loved your podcast discussion on this. Weirdly under-discussed curiosity 😂
Always a much more intriguing topic IMO-impact of BTS elements on story execution, like presence of seemingly primitive tech in OT vs later films. Truth is that SW civilization will have seen things like singularities/AI disasters and has probably learned some costly lessons, making it preferable to have dumbed-down tech in many instances, explaining why the tech doesn’t evolve much over thousands of years. Also the kit-bashed, gray aesthetic of OT Imperial ships reflects their cold, mass-produced military machine, etc.
this always bugged me as a kid
Before Dave Faloni changed it, Eeth Koth died in the Battle of Geonosis in the Legendary Continuity
They could write a whole story about Kit Fisto's drastic change between Ep. 2 and 3. Reminds me of the famous "1000 yard stare" image. Dude definitely saw some shit.
Chances are either;
1: actors weren’t able to make it to set on day of filming and backup was used.
2: new hiring occurred
Who looks at an infant boy and decides “Oh, I know! I’ll name him Wedge”
I’d love to hear about Coleman Kaj and Pablo jil cause they are the most odd example of this
But what are your thoughts on Star Wars Hunters? Sentinel is my main
It is for this reason that I believe that Kit Fisto was not in Palpatine's office. We are supposed to believe that these lookalikes are different characters, but these two completely different looking Nautolans are both Kit Fisto? I think not!
I literally thought the same thing about them replacing Koth and Adi with similar looking jedi.
. . .but which Adi Gallia death was worse: being head gored by Savage Opress on Florum or being gutted by General Grevious' Lightsabers on Boz Pity? in all things Star Wars, i choose the Expanded Universe variant.
What is that game at the end???
Rivals of Aether
And yet when Episode IX started I was able to immediately tell we were on Mustafar when other people complained lol
I always thought all those duplicates were meant to be the same person, didn't even notice the thousands of times I watched these movies.
Those people who made the decisions to make these different characters were actually geniuses. They know how many death threats they would avoid from the fan base by reducing the number of continuity errors.
Is the book any good? I might want to listen to it. I don’t read Star Wars books. I listen to them.
This reminds me of George Lucas saying "I don't like it when characters die". He said every character is interesting and it always kills a lot of options and speculative freedom for later projects. That's why most of his "kill-offs" are something like falling down or getting out of sight. Things like decapitating Jango were originally not the plan.
This is the difference between actual film cannon, and what is now known as official cannon, which is based on comic/videogame/novel crap. Those are obviously recast characters. Does that mean the stand in for Mace windu on Naboo is actually another character now?
I never noticed there were three wedges, hell when I was a kid I didnt even care about the background characters. I didnt even know people gave a crap about them to the point of being featured prominently in Legends. That was one of the reasons I started subscribing to Star Wars youtubers such as yourself Eckhart, the curiosity to learn what kind of insignificant detail could spiral into something interesting or simply idiotic haha.
3:29 Stass Allie was meant to be the same person as Adi Gallia but the actor for Stass was just as good and a tad darker in skin as she was originally from Tanzinia. George liked both of them so created a new character. The reason you stated was only half the truth.