If Abeloth is really coming back, I hope Luke Skywalker plays an important role in her defeat. Not to mention she is simply so much of an astronomically high threat that she shouldn't be limited to a single series if they are really bringing her back to canon.
Abeloth is literally like the 3rd "Endgame" Thanos of the EU Legends novels, they first built up Thrawn/Emperor reborn, then when the Vong finally hit after being hinted they had a baddy behind baddy behind them, then Abeloth was revealed and there just wasn't a way to escalate past her.
In canon I'd love a sick interaction between Abeloth and Anakin Skywalker where Abeloth takes the form of Padme Amidala. It seems like a fun way to bring back Natalie Portman, as actors typically like playing twisted different versions of characters they've played before.
Apocalypse was quite the book. Extremly confusing, very deep, and at times kinda ridiculous. Force gods that cant be killed? Planets of sith the jedi never felt? Pools of power that make you into a god? Jason's daughter basically being a new chosen one? The jedi were sick in it yeah, but it really just felt like the writers were running out of ideas to challenge god-luke
And that's why I hope Filoni has more sense than to bring Abeloth to canon. Not only does she contradict the nature of the Force in general, but Mortis as an archetypal representation of the Force and its dynamic in particular.
The one thing I disliked about Abeloth was her being connected to Mortis. If she existed outside them/the force, she would be more interesting to me personally. Make her a true lovecraftian type enemy to the force and life itself.
@@camarofan2008 I agree some what with you. There should be a villain that has no motive just wants to destroy life but I don’t think abloth will be that character. I think she is a little overrated in power wise and no Star Wars character is ready for a threat that can destroy the universe. If they wanted a threat that could destroy the untire universe I would ether bring a super powerful character like the left hand god from legends or make a new super powerful god type character
Luke's story should have ended in the Unifying Force. The goal that was originally given to Luke in the OT, to become a Jedi and pass on his knowledge, had been fulfilled. When he was poisoned by Shimrra, he either should have died or been left severely weakened. The writers trying to keep him essential to the ongoing story was part of why Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were so terrible.
@@trevturp6891 the whole celestial thing is more mythical then I would like. It's weird and doesn't fit star wars. The Force is one thing but now you have some semigod beings. Plus it's a weird legends thing. Star wars doesn't have any living god like beings. Marvel does, Avatar has spirits/lion turtles, star wars is more realistic (if you can call it that) it's more grounded. Plus she is creepy
@@reconpuffinYou can’t just acknowledge the force and then hand wave it away when it’s convenient. There has been plenty of Demi-god or god-like beings in Star Wars and we’re talking about a story with laser swords, men shooting lightning from their hands and force healing themselves back to life essentially. It doesn’t get more mythical than that. At the end of the day not liking abbaloth doesnt matter but saying she wouldn’t or doesn’t fit into the universe is just wrong
It was actually because of one of your early videos that I decided to read fate of the Jedi. And that led me to having to go way back and start with NJO Dark Nest trilogy and legacy. It was a long road just to get to fate of the Jedi but over all very very worth it.
I can almost guarantee that, with the current climate of the writers for Star Wars - Abeloth is going to be turned into a misunderstood, tragic heroine of some sort. They will claim that all these legends were all lies. _(EDIT - Far too many people hit the word "tragic," and their brains are turning off. They stop thinking right there, and suddenly seem to feel the need to make certain that everyone knows that she DID have a somewhat tragic story. We all know this, thank you. Now then - move on to the part that I said they'd try to turn her into a heroine.)_
I mean her story is a tragedy to begin with, with her turning into a cosmic horror all to try and be there for her family. BUT, it should end there, yeah the reason she became this abomination of nature is sad and understandable. But she’s beyond redemption now, she’s a cosmic horror that may even be the reason why there are so many wars in the galaxy.
Yep. No thanks. We dont have enough of the troubled antihero types? At a certain point it’s cliche, not clever. I’m baffled that I would even need to say that but evidently…
I don't know if they're going to add Abeloth in Ahsoka season 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Dave introduces the Mother in some way and borrows elements of Abeloth from legends, but who knows. A cosmic horror villain in Star Wars would be super interesting!
I always thought the description of Abeloth basically meant she looked like a female Voldemort. I like Abeloth a lot, particularly her being trapped in the Maw (not a particular fan of sinkhole or centerpoint, but whatever) on an immensely powerful force planet with force nexuses. The only issue at this point in time is where or if she’ll fit into the timeline, which it seems would be with Rey, which already has a multitude of problems with me. Abeloth’s story kind of ended Luke’s story in Legends as well (not necessarily, but EU became Legends right after this) and I definitely prefer that to current canon.
5,000 years of war between the Jedi and Sith? That would have stretched it all the way back to the Great Hyperspace War in Legends continuity, the first OFFICIAL contact between both orders in that continuity. Of course the Sith were aware of what was outside of the Stygian Caldera because of the dark Jedi that conquered them and made the first Sith Empire, but being removed for a few millennia makes a lot of information questionable.
Abeloth can be seen as a really tragic character, but I'm really worried if Disney brings her into the live action or the cartoons they'll lean too hard and make her actually the good guy instead of the monster she turned into, or try and justify her horrific actions.
I was so unsure of them bringing her into Star Wars but it looks like it’s happening. I just hope they keep her character as it was. I don’t want them to ruin every character.
Your vids on her were good, I remember when they came out! I didn't know much at all about the extended universe at that point but hearing about some of the totally weird stuff in the extended universe piqued my curiosity.
If what I saw from reviews of the Acolyte is anything to go off, she'll obviously be the villain and do obviously bad things but the story will try to convince you she's somehow the hero.
@@MataNui. I'd recommend not trusting any reviewer that thought the obvious bad guys were ever anything other than bad. You'd have to be media illiterate to have come to that conclusion.
I listened to all the unabridged audiobooks that I could. so I had to skip the previous series before getting to this one, but I remember her being absolutely mental. She was so absurdly powerful that it seemed like she would have just whipped the Emperor on the spot. I actually didn't hate that Disney removed her, because she was just so stupidly powerful that it was nuts to listen to. The books were still amazing though.
I wish they had allowed the writers to continue that story thread. when I finished the last book I was soo excited because the sale was rumored at the time and I was hoping that it would means more books by those writers and possibly more movies.......but alas it wasn't going to happen like that, but we got the cancelling of the EU. which I miss because the writing was really good.
Wait so Abeloth has escaped before? I wonder when that was. The only other major conflict I can think of besides Jedi vs Sith would be Rakata vs Kwa, but I don't see how she would have been imprisoned again. Did the Celestials have a massive conflict? Doesn't seem like their kind of thing, but then again, we don't know much about them.
Abeloth always bugged the hell out of me. And later the whole family concept. The force to me was always something that wasnt defined or discreet per se. Having someone as an avatar just seems contradictory. Kinda like the borg queen. To me, the concept was more like a river, that isnt actually sentient. It just is. You can take path A, or B, or in some cases C, D, etc. Each has their buffs and pitfalls. But theyre all different ways of tapping into the same thing.
Yoda calls the Force an ally in tESB, it has long been implied to have sentience. Mortis gods are not avatars of it per se thoguh. They are separate beings Lucas created to demonstrate Balance and the Two Sides and their dynamics. So of course Legends missed this and steered into something else entirely with Abeloth's creation.
Force users whenever they meet Abeloth… Jedi: *utter overwhelming horror* “What are you? Abeloth: “Hungry.” *eats soul* Sith: *incompressible terror* “What do you want?” Abeloth: *grabs them hand holds the up off the ground* “More.” *Devours force user* The best thing about Abeloth is that she *was* deep, and complex once, but the hunger and power drove her mad beyond -human- sentient comprehension. Only an animal remains… and like the Tyranids Drukhari and Chaos of 40k… it wants you (and specifically you).
I don’t think that she become canon. I also don’t think that even Lucas totally knew what the Ones are about. They were an idea to develop a Clone Wars story arc around that he would eventually tell the team about if he ever figured out how they would work into his mythos.
We have a decent number of those in Disney Canon already 1. The Nihili 2. The Grysk 3. The Pykes 4. Crimson Dawn 5. The Scourge (who admittedly is a Sith byproduct) 6. The Night Sisters.
If they bring Abeloth back I hope they rework her backstory a bit so she isn't literally just lilith. It'd be way more interesting if her motivation was still tied to the celestials in some way, especially since they sort of "died" in the Clone Wars.
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Supernatural Encounters, in that we learn that Abeloth(originally named Belot) was the last child of the Bedlam Spirit Tiltony and sister to the Old ones Typhojem, Thargorograht, Ooradryl and Mnggal-Mnggal. Also Waru is one of the offspring of Ooradryl, which makes Abeloth, Waru’s aunt.
I think he probably didn't bring it up because Supernatural Encounters is technically quasi-canon to legends. But I agree that its a good read and any hardcore fan of the expanded universe should look into it. Its like the Silmarillion but for Star Wars
I dont see Dave adding abeloth. Maybe creating something new from the existing material, but id wager its just another being like that of the mortis family thatll appear in season 2
It doesn't cease to amaze me that something that clearly violates what Mortis was, and that could be shaven off it with Occam's Razor because it was created by other people after the fact is considered a sure addition by one of the guys who's vision of mortis she violates.
The way Abeloth transformed with the font of power also made me wonder if it's possible that Tilotny and the other demons of her type came from those who drank from the well in different ways
I came from the future to reveal the truth for you: Abeloth will appear only in the end of Ahsoka S2 which be the final season. She'll appear travelling between the galaxies and she'll arrive at the galaxy 20 years after ep. 9, because after The Father was killed, she was ejected from the galaxy to Peridhea. She will be the main antagonist of a new trilogy directed by Filoni, that's now just a hidden project
All of the book series mentioned sound very interesting. The more I hear I about these things, the angrier I feel about the sequel trilogy we were given. 😒😤
Funnily enough, while I do not believe Abeloth will come into the Disney Canon, there may be something similar to her. Remember Peridea? Well, turns out it was mentioned before in Fallen Order. One of the people there discovered the Dark Side, mastered it and sacrificed his entire race. His name was Kujet. A mysterious entity from the Dark Side of the Force who was a traitor to his race who happened to predate the known Galaxy and had a propensity to build temples... I don't know about you, but I see some parallels. And maybe this was the reason Baylan bailed on his apprentice in _Ahsoka._ Maybe something called him to Peridea ever since the beginning. :/ But given how Disney handles its "canon", I fear everything shall be nothing but wasted potential. B/
When I first saw that scene at the end of Ashoka, I thought that looks just like the father. Then I saw the son. In season 2 I am convinced we are seeing Abeloth.
Abeloth and the Starweird species are two of the biggest things I would love to see in live action Starweirds are already canon thanks to the comics. I feel like it’s only a matter of time before Abeloth is canon as well which makes me really happy because I love scary things in Star Wars I will be down for a Star Wars horror series or movie
I think/hope that Anakin plays a key role in defeating Abeloth if she really appears in season 2. They could even use that as an excuse to not have Anakin in the sequels. He is busy, "keeping Abeloth in check".
In my head cannon, when Baylon enters Abeloth’s prison, he finds a young Rey. What else could explain her incredible powers, why she’s inexplicably liked by everyone she meets, and how she influences events to eliminate all force users in the galaxy aside from herself? Palpatine’s son was sent to retrieve her for experimentation, but she was too powerful to control, and he had to abandon her on Jakku. After she buried the lightsabers of the last remaining Jedi in the sands of Tatooine, she could finally revert to her true form. When an old woman asked her name, Abeloth responds gleefully, “I’m Rey… Skywalker,” before consuming the woman and going on to wreak havoc across the galaxy.
EckhartsLadder; I agree with you that it is up Dave Filoni and LucasFilm if they want to bring ABELOTH back to Canon. Finaly As Yoda once said "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."
No, mostly because one of the few red lines Lucas set for the EU was to never touch on the Whills of the Force, since that's something that he wanted to work on himself if he ever got around to make a sequel trilogy.
I just finished the fate of the Jedi series on audible and boy did I love it I truly hope she shows up in cannon I hope that voice Baylan was hearing is her calling to him 🤞
When I read Fate of the Jedi, I hadn't (and still haven't) read Legacy of the Force so I was FREAKING OUT about how Mara Jade is dead, and one of the Solo kids went dark side and another was dead, not to mention the ruins of the galaxy after the Yuuzhan Vong. I needed a lot of google searches to figure stuff out lol
You didn't miss out on anything worth your time. Legacy of the Force is, in my humble opinion, the worst Star Wars story ever written. That includes everything Disney created, and I have a fairly low opinion of Disney Star Wars. Darth Caedus was the original "Jake Skywalker," taking a beloved character and twisting him so far out of character it completely ruined him.
Abeloth was the "self proclaimed " mother. She was actually a servant. Her return is proof that Anakin Skywalker did not bring balance to the force. Killing the Ones lead to the return of Abeloth and pushed the Force further into darkness. Another reason why jedi fell to the darkside so often and the Sith continued to rise. That is where the Throne of Balance and the jedi Queen(Alana Solo) enter. Anakin was suppose to take the throne of balance and balance the force. The throne is empty and the Bringer of Chaos was freed.
I think Anakin is training Ahsoka for something else, akin to the position of the Daughter. And maybe thats why her statue was eroded, because the force is still unbalanced, and Anakins role as the chosen one began when he died. The training he was suppose to receive on Mortis, he received on a longer path as Darth Vader, but about almost 30 years past and for the first time in galactic history, no one is doing what the father has done. So i imagine, without his influence, Abeloth grew in power. Was able to influence Baylan….maybe even Palpatine? Anakin and Abeloth might be playing 4D chess,
Considering that the figure of the daughter is destroyed... I see that as a bad sign, and that there is indeed something terrible. I hope we get to find out.
really REALLY hope this ends up with people assuming its abeloth and then when they dont do it they'll be disappointed like come on guys asking to be dissapointed
In my Headcanon, Rey is the reincarnation of Abeloth who came from the Legends universe to the Canon to ensure that everything went wrong for Luke and then reincarnated as Rey
@@tillerzeitthat could be crazy or she’s the reincarnation of the daughter but born from a palpatine to balance the family bc palpatine was sooooo dark
I liked New Jedi Order and Swarm War was okay. I haven't tackled Fate of the Jedi - can't say why really - maybe because I know it is sort of the "end" of the Legacy novels. I wish we had unabridged ersions of the entire New Jedi Order series.
I'm convinced that *a version* of Abeloth will be introduced. I don't think she'll be The Mother though. I think Abeloth will be a lovecraftian monster that feeds on Force energy which The Ones trapped in the Maw, that it was suppressed by all the force users drawing on the force and restricting its ability to feed, and that order 66 caused it to start awakening and trying to escape the Maw due to the massive reduction of force users - Similar to how the Rule Of Two increased the power of Sith by concentrating the dark side into 2 individuals, I think the loss of the Jedi resulted in the monster being able to draw on more of the force.
#askeck probably has been answered before by you and definitely in books but i don’t know the details. How quickly did Palpatine recruit Dooku to be his apprentice after Maul was killed? Did he have him in mind before, did he break the rule of two and have two apprentices, or did time pass and he came across him later? Thank you and always a fan of your videos!
They haven't even established thrawn as a proper main villain and they're already replacing him with this? Honestly I'm not surprised at anything at this point.
She's a Greek god. She personifies some trait of mankind, or Galaxy kind in this case, and represents our war-like and chaotic nature. At least, that's kind of how I interpret your description.
Abeloth could either be nerfed to make her more manageable. Or they don't beat Abeloth through combat at all and instead find another way to beat her, like trapping her or talking her down. Or who knows, maybe Ahsoka and Sabine will find another god killing sword like the one on Mortis.
@anthonyrodriguez8788 well I didn't know which tike it would be set in. If Rey isn't born yet then Luke is still alive. They could write him to come out of being a hermit like they did Obi-wan. Personally I don't care what they do. Disney start wars isn't for me.
It's funny, I think any indication of Abeloth *ACTUALLY* appearing in Canon at this point are just silly rumours, but I also am not averse to the *idea* of it at all. I guess we just have to see!
Abeloth should NOT be shown in any work of art, in movies or shows. She comes across like a force, not a being. Something of a malevolent spirit, forever haunting the Star Wars universe. A once genuine character, turned unbreakable evil. To give her form, is to limit her abilities. As I see it. Keeping her in the background, invisible but always there. The eternal threat of her becoming a physical embodiment. Worse than Darth Nihilus. More cunning than Darth Sidious. Never spoken of. Merely because of the association and fear that…if you even mention her to someone who doesn’t know she exists. She gains power…whether that’s accurate or not, is too troublesome to risk. We need more characters like Abeloth. Unspoken evils that leaves anyone who knows about her…about it. Terrified of what may happen, and those who don’t know about it…forever woefully ignorant…but better off. Like how in WH40K. You have the forces of Chaos, who grow stronger with every soul that knows about their existence. Spirit made physical, with every mention of them. The theory made flesh, which will tear you apart if you so much as visually acknowledge their potentiality.
I hope Disney does not use Abeloth that would just ruin her and the Disney Shills would try and defend the garbage that Disney shoves out. Not to mention the hypocrisy of said shills, they pretend the original canon/EU does not exist but when Disney takes a character out of legends, dumbs it down and destroys said character, the shills then act like it’s a gift sent from the heavens. Us regular fans then simply have to ‘be okay with it’ no matter how bad the show/movie is
I get the feeling writers are going to forget the difference between a villain with a tragic backstory and a tragic villain yet again. That and we'll see yet another "Jedi are evil and as bad as Sith, grey is the only good, m'kay" nonsense story.
I think people shouldn't assume that she WILL show up. And that's an issue I've been seeing way too much. And it's an issue in general with Star Wars RUclipsrs that they hype a show up because they are waaaay too convinced that their theories are true and end up being disappointed. Theorizing and speculating is fun but don't convince yourself and others that these theories and speculations are true.
I really dont see any good reason to introduce abeloth. All of the clues in ahsoka are pointing at the zeffo. Id rather see powerful force using aliens wage war on powerful force wielding witches than abeloth appear out of literally fucking nowhere, replacing thrawn who is obviously supposed to be a new big bad, being so little of a threat there is absolutely zero hint of their existence or damage in the sequels.
I don’t think she has a place in Star Wars canon. Just like The acolyte controversy people are going to make a big deal about it. But this time it will be worse than the acolyte backlash because legends fans, and Canon fans will clash resulting in more division in the fanbase.
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Gimme a versus video to do.
Weakest force with Bastilla shan using her meditation that can beat the Republic forces in the opening battle of episode III.
mustafar anakin vs windu
@@angelsrzId like to see this
the Covenant (Halo Ce) Versus _________
Mara Jade vs Ashoka
If Abeloth is really coming back, I hope Luke Skywalker plays an important role in her defeat.
Not to mention she is simply so much of an astronomically high threat that she shouldn't be limited to a single series if they are really bringing her back to canon.
> I hope Luke Skywalker plays an important role in her defeat.
Don't be silly, we're talking new canon here, Luke is not allowed to be cool here.
@@KyleDornez afaik men are no allowed to be the hero at all.
@@satakrionkryptomortisNah that's not it.
@@Comicbroe405oh it is it,because Disney only lets female characters have any sort of power now
@@This_awesomeguy64
Hahah yeah, sure guy, luke has toootally been depicted as weak by disney hahahahahh
She’d be perfect for a Star Wars horror story. I’d like to hear more what ifs and such
Fr I actually liked her story and character and it would be great for them to make a horror story about her
I love cosmic horror, even if they don’t make it a horror story I do hope they go insane with the imagery
Cosmic horror is so hard to do well, easy to fuck up, I'd keep my expectations low
But hopes always high. It COULD be amazing if pulled off
@@BierBart12 yeah that’s the tough part about cosmic horror. It’s easy to write but very difficult to portray on the big screen.
that and the space zombies
Abeloth is literally like the 3rd "Endgame" Thanos of the EU Legends novels, they first built up Thrawn/Emperor reborn, then when the Vong finally hit after being hinted they had a baddy behind baddy behind them, then Abeloth was revealed and there just wasn't a way to escalate past her.
I thought The Stranger's helmet in The Acolyte was fashioned in Abeloth's image, and it confused the hell out of me.
Smiling shadow man is the image I get when I see that mask.
In canon I'd love a sick interaction between Abeloth and Anakin Skywalker where Abeloth takes the form of Padme Amidala. It seems like a fun way to bring back Natalie Portman, as actors typically like playing twisted different versions of characters they've played before.
Apocalypse was quite the book. Extremly confusing, very deep, and at times kinda ridiculous. Force gods that cant be killed? Planets of sith the jedi never felt? Pools of power that make you into a god? Jason's daughter basically being a new chosen one? The jedi were sick in it yeah, but it really just felt like the writers were running out of ideas to challenge god-luke
And that's why I hope Filoni has more sense than to bring Abeloth to canon. Not only does she contradict the nature of the Force in general, but Mortis as an archetypal representation of the Force and its dynamic in particular.
The one thing I disliked about Abeloth was her being connected to Mortis. If she existed outside them/the force, she would be more interesting to me personally. Make her a true lovecraftian type enemy to the force and life itself.
@@camarofan2008 I agree some what with you. There should be a villain that has no motive just wants to destroy life but I don’t think abloth will be that character. I think she is a little overrated in power wise and no Star Wars character is ready for a threat that can destroy the universe. If they wanted a threat that could destroy the untire universe I would ether bring a super powerful character like the left hand god from legends or make a new super powerful god type character
Luke's story should have ended in the Unifying Force. The goal that was originally given to Luke in the OT, to become a Jedi and pass on his knowledge, had been fulfilled. When he was poisoned by Shimrra, he either should have died or been left severely weakened. The writers trying to keep him essential to the ongoing story was part of why Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were so terrible.
Don’t remember Jason having a daughter. Been a long time since I read those books.
She always creeped me the hell out. I was hoping she wouldn’t pop up in canon but this seems to hint that she’ll make an appearance soon.
more or less beat me to it she scares the hell out off me
Personaly I hate the whole arc, aboloth would make it even worse
How come you were hoping she wouldn’t show up in Canon?
@@trevturp6891 the whole celestial thing is more mythical then I would like. It's weird and doesn't fit star wars. The Force is one thing but now you have some semigod beings. Plus it's a weird legends thing. Star wars doesn't have any living god like beings. Marvel does, Avatar has spirits/lion turtles, star wars is more realistic (if you can call it that) it's more grounded. Plus she is creepy
@@reconpuffinYou can’t just acknowledge the force and then hand wave it away when it’s convenient.
There has been plenty of Demi-god or god-like beings in Star Wars and we’re talking about a story with laser swords, men shooting lightning from their hands and force healing themselves back to life essentially. It doesn’t get more mythical than that. At the end of the day not liking abbaloth doesnt matter but saying she wouldn’t or doesn’t fit into the universe is just wrong
I read all of the books! They were pretty awesome! Just disappointed the story won't continue.
Same here. Also kinda disappointed in how things ended up between Ben and Vestara. I can honestly say it was a pairing I hoped would have worked out
I did too. And it was $I-I*T. Glad this story never continued.
Disney simp here @@Verebazs
@@byronjefferson1697it did, they have children in legends and grand children
@@Grinch556 In comics or?
It was actually because of one of your early videos that I decided to read fate of the Jedi. And that led me to having to go way back and start with NJO Dark Nest trilogy and legacy. It was a long road just to get to fate of the Jedi but over all very very worth it.
I can almost guarantee that, with the current climate of the writers for Star Wars - Abeloth is going to be turned into a misunderstood, tragic heroine of some sort. They will claim that all these legends were all lies.
_(EDIT - Far too many people hit the word "tragic," and their brains are turning off. They stop thinking right there, and suddenly seem to feel the need to make certain that everyone knows that she DID have a somewhat tragic story. We all know this, thank you. Now then - move on to the part that I said they'd try to turn her into a heroine.)_
agreed
I mean her story is a tragedy to begin with, with her turning into a cosmic horror all to try and be there for her family.
BUT, it should end there, yeah the reason she became this abomination of nature is sad and understandable. But she’s beyond redemption now, she’s a cosmic horror that may even be the reason why there are so many wars in the galaxy.
Yep. No thanks. We dont have enough of the troubled antihero types? At a certain point it’s cliche, not clever. I’m baffled that I would even need to say that but evidently…
Precisely. That's exactly the reason that I expect her to be introduced.
noooooo that’s probably going to happen now 😂
“Natasii Daala, for some reason, is Chief of State.” Lol, indeed
I don't know if they're going to add Abeloth in Ahsoka season 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Dave introduces the Mother in some way and borrows elements of Abeloth from legends, but who knows.
A cosmic horror villain in Star Wars would be super interesting!
They're gonna make it WOKE and SHIT.
I always thought the description of Abeloth basically meant she looked like a female Voldemort.
I like Abeloth a lot, particularly her being trapped in the Maw (not a particular fan of sinkhole or centerpoint, but whatever) on an immensely powerful force planet with force nexuses. The only issue at this point in time is where or if she’ll fit into the timeline, which it seems would be with Rey, which already has a multitude of problems with me. Abeloth’s story kind of ended Luke’s story in Legends as well (not necessarily, but EU became Legends right after this) and I definitely prefer that to current canon.
5,000 years of war between the Jedi and Sith? That would have stretched it all the way back to the Great Hyperspace War in Legends continuity, the first OFFICIAL contact between both orders in that continuity. Of course the Sith were aware of what was outside of the Stygian Caldera because of the dark Jedi that conquered them and made the first Sith Empire, but being removed for a few millennia makes a lot of information questionable.
Abeloth can be seen as a really tragic character, but I'm really worried if Disney brings her into the live action or the cartoons they'll lean too hard and make her actually the good guy instead of the monster she turned into, or try and justify her horrific actions.
I was so unsure of them bringing her into Star Wars but it looks like it’s happening. I just hope they keep her character as it was. I don’t want them to ruin every character.
I mean when you break down what her purpose and what frees her, it does seem to fit pretty nicely with some of Baylon’s speeches from season 1
Your vids on her were good, I remember when they came out! I didn't know much at all about the extended universe at that point but hearing about some of the totally weird stuff in the extended universe piqued my curiosity.
I loved those FOTJ books. I didn’t need to read the prior Legends books to enjoy them. 🙂
Ok who's taking bets to see if Abeloth get the misunderstood or good is a matter of perspective spouting character now.
And Ahsoka will say “I forgive you” and bam, the writers will consider it official. All is forgotten
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I'll get in on this action, I'll sweeten the pot I bet 50 bucks it'll happen.
If what I saw from reviews of the Acolyte is anything to go off, she'll obviously be the villain and do obviously bad things but the story will try to convince you she's somehow the hero.
@@bramsonbambival7901 well we got one backer anyone else
@@MataNui.
I'd recommend not trusting any reviewer that thought the obvious bad guys were ever anything other than bad. You'd have to be media illiterate to have come to that conclusion.
I listened to all the unabridged audiobooks that I could. so I had to skip the previous series before getting to this one, but I remember her being absolutely mental. She was so absurdly powerful that it seemed like she would have just whipped the Emperor on the spot.
I actually didn't hate that Disney removed her, because she was just so stupidly powerful that it was nuts to listen to. The books were still amazing though.
I wish they had allowed the writers to continue that story thread. when I finished the last book I was soo excited because the sale was rumored at the time and I was hoping that it would means more books by those writers and possibly more movies.......but alas it wasn't going to happen like that, but we got the cancelling of the EU. which I miss because the writing was really good.
Wait so Abeloth has escaped before? I wonder when that was. The only other major conflict I can think of besides Jedi vs Sith would be Rakata vs Kwa, but I don't see how she would have been imprisoned again. Did the Celestials have a massive conflict? Doesn't seem like their kind of thing, but then again, we don't know much about them.
Every time she tried to escape the son and daughter would come to defeat her and imprison her again
Pius Dea era hints she is the one who orchestrated it
Abeloth always bugged the hell out of me. And later the whole family concept.
The force to me was always something that wasnt defined or discreet per se.
Having someone as an avatar just seems contradictory. Kinda like the borg queen.
To me, the concept was more like a river, that isnt actually sentient. It just is.
You can take path A, or B, or in some cases C, D, etc.
Each has their buffs and pitfalls.
But theyre all different ways of tapping into the same thing.
Yoda calls the Force an ally in tESB, it has long been implied to have sentience. Mortis gods are not avatars of it per se thoguh. They are separate beings Lucas created to demonstrate Balance and the Two Sides and their dynamics. So of course Legends missed this and steered into something else entirely with Abeloth's creation.
@@mpnuorva I dont really think of abeloth as a force avatar, but more so of an anomaly.
Force users whenever they meet Abeloth…
Jedi: *utter overwhelming horror* “What are you?
Abeloth: “Hungry.” *eats soul*
Sith: *incompressible terror* “What do you want?”
Abeloth: *grabs them hand holds the up off the ground* “More.” *Devours force user*
The best thing about Abeloth is that she *was* deep, and complex once, but the hunger and power drove her mad beyond -human- sentient comprehension. Only an animal remains… and like the Tyranids Drukhari and Chaos of 40k… it wants you (and specifically you).
I don’t think that she become canon. I also don’t think that even Lucas totally knew what the Ones are about. They were an idea to develop a Clone Wars story arc around that he would eventually tell the team about if he ever figured out how they would work into his mythos.
I love the idea of Abeloth returning. I don't think her lore will be exactly the same, but it'll be nice to see a non-sith, non-empire villain.
We have a decent number of those in Disney Canon already
1. The Nihili
2. The Grysk
3. The Pykes
4. Crimson Dawn
5. The Scourge (who admittedly is a Sith byproduct)
6. The Night Sisters.
If they bring Abeloth back I hope they rework her backstory a bit so she isn't literally just lilith. It'd be way more interesting if her motivation was still tied to the celestials in some way, especially since they sort of "died" in the Clone Wars.
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Supernatural Encounters, in that we learn that Abeloth(originally named Belot) was the last child of the Bedlam Spirit Tiltony and sister to the Old ones Typhojem, Thargorograht, Ooradryl and Mnggal-Mnggal. Also Waru is one of the offspring of Ooradryl, which makes Abeloth, Waru’s aunt.
I think he probably didn't bring it up because Supernatural Encounters is technically quasi-canon to legends.
But I agree that its a good read and any hardcore fan of the expanded universe should look into it. Its like the Silmarillion but for Star Wars
thank you
What?
@@shanghai_man it's not quasi-canon, it's straight up fanfiction. If you like it, that's fine, but don't pretend this novel in any way official.
@@Arauto_Kagnos It is quasi-canon to the Legends timeline. Do some research.
Nice video and very informative thank you for sharing for those of us who don't have the patience to look through this ourselves
I dont see Dave adding abeloth. Maybe creating something new from the existing material, but id wager its just another being like that of the mortis family thatll appear in season 2
It doesn't cease to amaze me that something that clearly violates what Mortis was, and that could be shaven off it with Occam's Razor because it was created by other people after the fact is considered a sure addition by one of the guys who's vision of mortis she violates.
time for an eck watch streak
The way Abeloth transformed with the font of power also made me wonder if it's possible that Tilotny and the other demons of her type came from those who drank from the well in different ways
They should expand on her relevance with the More lesser known Star wars entities like the father of shadows
I still feel cheated about not getting the Sword of the Jedi series to "complete" the Legends saga.
Glad that this a "clearing misconceptions" video.
I came from the future to reveal the truth for you:
Abeloth will appear only in the end of Ahsoka S2 which be the final season.
She'll appear travelling between the galaxies and she'll arrive at the galaxy 20 years after ep. 9, because after The Father was killed, she was ejected from the galaxy to Peridhea.
She will be the main antagonist of a new trilogy directed by Filoni, that's now just a hidden project
Right... Filoni sticking to other people's stories that directly contradicts his. Real credible.
6:34 wtf is the editors note picture
All of the book series mentioned sound very interesting. The more I hear I about these things, the angrier I feel about the sequel trilogy we were given. 😒😤
Yay! More lore.
woah weird i was actually thinking about this earlier today.
Funnily enough, while I do not believe Abeloth will come into the Disney Canon, there may be something similar to her.
Remember Peridea? Well, turns out it was mentioned before in Fallen Order. One of the people there discovered the Dark Side, mastered it and sacrificed his entire race. His name was Kujet.
A mysterious entity from the Dark Side of the Force who was a traitor to his race who happened to predate the known Galaxy and had a propensity to build temples... I don't know about you, but I see some parallels.
And maybe this was the reason Baylan bailed on his apprentice in _Ahsoka._ Maybe something called him to Peridea ever since the beginning. :/
But given how Disney handles its "canon", I fear everything shall be nothing but wasted potential. B/
When I first saw that scene at the end of Ashoka, I thought that looks just like the father. Then I saw the son. In season 2 I am convinced we are seeing Abeloth.
You still have my favorite intro on RUclips
Abeloth and the Starweird species are two of the biggest things I would love to see in live action Starweirds are already canon thanks to the comics. I feel like it’s only a matter of time before Abeloth is canon as well which makes me really happy because I love scary things in Star Wars I will be down for a Star Wars horror series or movie
I think/hope that Anakin plays a key role in defeating Abeloth if she really appears in season 2. They could even use that as an excuse to not have Anakin in the sequels. He is busy, "keeping Abeloth in check".
In my head cannon, when Baylon enters Abeloth’s prison, he finds a young Rey. What else could explain her incredible powers, why she’s inexplicably liked by everyone she meets, and how she influences events to eliminate all force users in the galaxy aside from herself? Palpatine’s son was sent to retrieve her for experimentation, but she was too powerful to control, and he had to abandon her on Jakku. After she buried the lightsabers of the last remaining Jedi in the sands of Tatooine, she could finally revert to her true form. When an old woman asked her name, Abeloth responds gleefully, “I’m Rey… Skywalker,” before consuming the woman and going on to wreak havoc across the galaxy.
“Incredible powers”
The only impressive thing she did was lift up a bunch of rocks while meditating
EckhartsLadder;
I agree with you that it is up Dave Filoni and LucasFilm if they want to bring ABELOTH back to Canon. Finaly As Yoda once said "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future."
Are the whills of the Force (from the last few episodes of season 6 of tcw) linked in any way to abeloth?
No, mostly because one of the few red lines Lucas set for the EU was to never touch on the Whills of the Force, since that's something that he wanted to work on himself if he ever got around to make a sequel trilogy.
I just finished the fate of the Jedi series on audible and boy did I love it I truly hope she shows up in cannon I hope that voice Baylan was hearing is her calling to him 🤞
You can go a bit further. Quimir's helmet is a conduit to connect with Aboloth.
of course my goat is responsible for the best artwork
Oh, you got the art made. Good to know.
When I read Fate of the Jedi, I hadn't (and still haven't) read Legacy of the Force so I was FREAKING OUT about how Mara Jade is dead, and one of the Solo kids went dark side and another was dead, not to mention the ruins of the galaxy after the Yuuzhan Vong. I needed a lot of google searches to figure stuff out lol
You didn't miss out on anything worth your time. Legacy of the Force is, in my humble opinion, the worst Star Wars story ever written. That includes everything Disney created, and I have a fairly low opinion of Disney Star Wars. Darth Caedus was the original "Jake Skywalker," taking a beloved character and twisting him so far out of character it completely ruined him.
Abeloth was the "self proclaimed " mother. She was actually a servant. Her return is proof that Anakin Skywalker did not bring balance to the force. Killing the Ones lead to the return of Abeloth and pushed the Force further into darkness. Another reason why jedi fell to the darkside so often and the Sith continued to rise. That is where the Throne of Balance and the jedi Queen(Alana Solo) enter. Anakin was suppose to take the throne of balance and balance the force. The throne is empty and the Bringer of Chaos was freed.
Now that Anakin is basically THE Mortis god he should be able to single handedly deal with Abeloth.
I think Anakin is training Ahsoka for something else, akin to the position of the Daughter. And maybe thats why her statue was eroded, because the force is still unbalanced, and Anakins role as the chosen one began when he died.
The training he was suppose to receive on Mortis, he received on a longer path as Darth Vader, but about almost 30 years past and for the first time in galactic history, no one is doing what the father has done. So i imagine, without his influence, Abeloth grew in power. Was able to influence Baylan….maybe even Palpatine?
Anakin and Abeloth might be playing 4D chess,
Considering that the figure of the daughter is destroyed... I see that as a bad sign, and that there is indeed something terrible. I hope we get to find out.
I wonder how Abeloth would hold up in the Warhammer 40K universe. I feel like she could hold her own against most things there.
really
REALLY hope this ends up with people assuming its abeloth and then when they dont do it they'll be disappointed like come on guys asking to be dissapointed
In my Headcanon, Rey is the reincarnation of Abeloth who came from the Legends universe to the Canon to ensure that everything went wrong for Luke and then reincarnated as Rey
This
@@tillerzeitthat could be crazy or she’s the reincarnation of the daughter but born from a palpatine to balance the family bc palpatine was sooooo dark
I liked New Jedi Order and Swarm War was okay. I haven't tackled Fate of the Jedi - can't say why really - maybe because I know it is sort of the "end" of the Legacy novels. I wish we had unabridged ersions of the entire New Jedi Order series.
As someone who has read them, just call the end of the NJO the end of Legends Star Wars. Everything that came after just ruined that perfect ending.
I'm convinced that *a version* of Abeloth will be introduced. I don't think she'll be The Mother though.
I think Abeloth will be a lovecraftian monster that feeds on Force energy which The Ones trapped in the Maw, that it was suppressed by all the force users drawing on the force and restricting its ability to feed, and that order 66 caused it to start awakening and trying to escape the Maw due to the massive reduction of force users - Similar to how the Rule Of Two increased the power of Sith by concentrating the dark side into 2 individuals, I think the loss of the Jedi resulted in the monster being able to draw on more of the force.
#askeck probably has been answered before by you and definitely in books but i don’t know the details. How quickly did Palpatine recruit Dooku to be his apprentice after Maul was killed? Did he have him in mind before, did he break the rule of two and have two apprentices, or did time pass and he came across him later? Thank you and always a fan of your videos!
They haven't even established thrawn as a proper main villain and they're already replacing him with this? Honestly I'm not surprised at anything at this point.
She's a Greek god. She personifies some trait of mankind, or Galaxy kind in this case, and represents our war-like and chaotic nature. At least, that's kind of how I interpret your description.
And who exactly would be powerful enough to fight Abeloth? There's no Luke, no Jaina, no Ben Skywalker, no real New Jedi Academy, ....
Abeloth could either be nerfed to make her more manageable.
Or they don't beat Abeloth through combat at all and instead find another way to beat her, like trapping her or talking her down.
Or who knows, maybe Ahsoka and Sabine will find another god killing sword like the one on Mortis.
Rey...lmao
@@HegoDamaskll yeah but Rey may not even be born yet, and if she is by this point she's still a toddler at best
@anthonyrodriguez8788 well I didn't know which tike it would be set in. If Rey isn't born yet then Luke is still alive. They could write him to come out of being a hermit like they did Obi-wan. Personally I don't care what they do. Disney start wars isn't for me.
@@HegoDamaskll this is before the First Order came out of hiding meaning Luke isn't a Hermit, he's still building up his Jedi Order.
Wait is my profile pic the picture of her your talking about because i have no idea who made it
They're recasting Baylan and casting an Abeloth so it's happening whether we like it or not
Frankly, I want a movie where Jar Jar shows up, but then gets revealed to be Abeloth
Little known fact, there was also an adult holo net star named Abeloth Dengar. It's totally canon, Google it.
I need abeloth to become some kind of star wars horror
Can we please keep Disney away from these characters
Abeloth is best used like a Cthulhu style plot character
I doubt it will be Abeloth that appears, but will be something like her.
I really want Abeloth to reappear. Like slay girlllll ♡♡♡♡
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Wha?
I feel like they are going to do what the public have done to Jack the Ripper. Make a horrible person viewed as a bit of a hero
Does anyone here really believe Filoni of all writers is gonna be able to write Abeloth with any competence?!?! 🤣🤣🤣
To be fair, she wasn't competently written the first time.
@@charliesandno2 which shows you how little faith I have in the current Star Wars writing team 🤣
@@MRDLT00 LOL fair enough. And even if she was written well, the Disney timeline is so mid, who would even care?
She’s already a DeviantArt OC-level character, so if anything she’d fit right in
It's funny, I think any indication of Abeloth *ACTUALLY* appearing in Canon at this point are just silly rumours, but I also am not averse to the *idea* of it at all. I guess we just have to see!
Abeloth should NOT be shown in any work of art, in movies or shows. She comes across like a force, not a being.
Something of a malevolent spirit, forever haunting the Star Wars universe. A once genuine character, turned unbreakable evil.
To give her form, is to limit her abilities. As I see it. Keeping her in the background, invisible but always there. The eternal threat of her becoming a physical embodiment. Worse than Darth Nihilus. More cunning than Darth Sidious. Never spoken of. Merely because of the association and fear that…if you even mention her to someone who doesn’t know she exists. She gains power…whether that’s accurate or not, is too troublesome to risk.
We need more characters like Abeloth. Unspoken evils that leaves anyone who knows about her…about it. Terrified of what may happen, and those who don’t know about it…forever woefully ignorant…but better off. Like how in WH40K. You have the forces of Chaos, who grow stronger with every soul that knows about their existence. Spirit made physical, with every mention of them. The theory made flesh, which will tear you apart if you so much as visually acknowledge their potentiality.
In my opinion, having abeloth as the main villain of the sequel trilogy would have been much better than the return of palpatine
Have any else write her character, she’ll be the shell of the women she once was, but get Dave faloni on it, it’ll be straight from the source
I hope Disney does not use Abeloth that would just ruin her and the Disney Shills would try and defend the garbage that Disney shoves out.
Not to mention the hypocrisy of said shills, they pretend the original canon/EU does not exist but when Disney takes a character out of legends, dumbs it down and destroys said character, the shills then act like it’s a gift sent from the heavens. Us regular fans then simply have to ‘be okay with it’ no matter how bad the show/movie is
I get the feeling writers are going to forget the difference between a villain with a tragic backstory and a tragic villain yet again.
That and we'll see yet another "Jedi are evil and as bad as Sith, grey is the only good, m'kay" nonsense story.
Abeloth is gonna alter Baylon Skoll of his appearance with her phenomenal Force powers.
i always liked abeloth as a villain but i'd prefer she get an updated look
Lovecraftian Horror, My beloved.
considering they have been looking for someone to play her...shes gonna be canon in s2.
I wonder what would happen if you drink from the pool of knowledge and bathed in the fount of power 🤔
But does she?
I think people shouldn't assume that she WILL show up. And that's an issue I've been seeing way too much. And it's an issue in general with Star Wars RUclipsrs that they hype a show up because they are waaaay too convinced that their theories are true and end up being disappointed. Theorizing and speculating is fun but don't convince yourself and others that these theories and speculations are true.
I would have thought she volunteered to be in the mas
To keep everyone else safe because the celestials had to leave
I really dont see any good reason to introduce abeloth. All of the clues in ahsoka are pointing at the zeffo. Id rather see powerful force using aliens wage war on powerful force wielding witches than abeloth appear out of literally fucking nowhere, replacing thrawn who is obviously supposed to be a new big bad, being so little of a threat there is absolutely zero hint of their existence or damage in the sequels.
I want more zeffo disappointed Jedi survivor didn’t go with more zeffo stories
I don’t think she has a place in Star Wars canon. Just like The acolyte controversy people are going to make a big deal about it. But this time it will be worse than the acolyte backlash because legends fans, and Canon fans will clash resulting in more division in the fanbase.
Idk she is too mystical, powerful, and weird for me to suspect she'd be in canon. If she is, I suspect it'll be in a fairly different form
Insane theory but what if Natalie Portman comes back as abeloth aka the mother since ankain is the father it would only make sense
I think this is where Star Wars is getting Warhammeresk silly.
Need a abeloth horror movie
Abeloth would be so good if Disney wasn't making star wars