GOLF: How To Make The Perfect Backswing - Hand Path (The Starting Point To Hitting A Draw)
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
- How To Make The Perfect Backswing - Hand Path
(The Starting Point To Hitting A Draw)
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I had a great time filming with Ben at the Westhaven Golf Club in Franklin, TN. In this video Ben and I discuss why depth is important to all golfers at all skill levels. We also demonstrate the three main check points for ideal depth and give you two of Ben's top drills for increasing depth (and width) in your backswing.
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Video is worth it just for the wall drill. Played golf for 37 years going to practice this hard over the winter. Thanks
Hope it serves you well, Mark! Thanks for watching the channel!
This video is so good! One of your best Eric! I can see that I’ll probably watch it at least a dozen times until I get it.
:) Thanks, Chris!!
I believe this is the most important video for consistency....this helped immediately on the course, this is great. thanks Eric......
Love to hear that!
Another great video that really dovetails with the lessons I’m currently having. The wall drill has really highlighted my lack of suppleness. Guess I need to work on that as well. Thanks again Eric.
My pleasure my friend...thanks for being with us!
excellent visual....I taught school many years ago and my instructors taught me that when I am talking to my class was to never follow a statement with "ok?" Well this guy needs to get rid of the word "right?" after many of his statements...😁
Thanks Larry!
Thanks Eric for showing me this video has been a big help love the wall drill
Glad to hear that, Bob! Our pleasure!
Excellent explanation of the "track" of the hands in the backswing. Depth and width.
Thanks, Don! Ben is great!
This drill is a great example that "Feel isn't always real". I always thought I had good depth and kept the club more inside. Definitely not the case. Another great point in this video is getting tangible feedback is key to make real change. Great job Eric and Ben.
Appreciate it! Thanks for being with us....hope it helps!
Great video man, this is something i need work on. Would love a followup video from this one on the downswing 👍 Great work Eric.
Appreciate it my friend! We can put that one on the list!!
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I've been studying your videos, so solid, thank you, very helpful. Your teaching style is really good, and I love how you include other coaches. Okay, so it seems (to me) as if in other videos on backswing, you bring hands higher with initially little more space between hands and body? In this video you bring little more inside, it seems, you bring back flatter. This makes more sense, as I work to keep inside to out, adding lag and to preventing centrifugal force overtaking, and insuring correct body movements, and impact on downswing.
Thanks, Kent! Appreciate it! Thats exactly right!
watching you actually do the drills is a good visual for us. thnx.
Thanks for watching, Steve! I think so too....good for me to get in there and get some swings in!
Great information. I like all the checkpoints that I can look for using my Liveview. Should we think about the arms dropping down that wall to start the downswing?
Thanks, Nicholas!
Would be great to pair with Liveview feedback!
Should you think about dropping the arms? I think that's too player dependent to say. Not everyone should feel that, not everyone should NOT feel that.
Depends on where you're coming from. Could say better if we could see your swing.
Wonderful video. Save it and plan to watch it numerous times.
Thanks Dennis!
great insight guys .Well done
Thanks for watching my friend!
Really like this content
Anyone mentored by Mike Bender certainly understand how to teach the feels of the golf swing.
I bought Mike a Benders the swing of a lifetime book I have used it as my Bible for the golf swing ever since.
I see so many drills that Mike has in his book on RUclips these days it’s amazing
Thanks a lot for watching Scott!
I lovved right hip and belt buckle turning back without hand manipulation . thank you a lot
You got it Jose!
Recently made some changes to my swing to improve, which has of course caused side effects. Struggle has been real past month or so with times of thinking, im giving up... Scrolled through youtube, found this. Not even what I was looking for or anything. But saw this one and thought, might try. Eventhough its not really adressing my problems. But it worked miracle :O Still not perfect, but it improved my swing massively. Holy crap. Thank you :D
Glad to hear that, Viktor! Hope you get back on track and continue enjoying the game. Don't quit! If things go off join www.cogornogolf.com so you can send me your swings and I can help!
Love the wall drill. Thanks sir!
Me too! Our pleasure...Ben is great!
Great info. So true that when you observe juniors they are able to get this kind of depth with ease. Gonna have to train these older muscles up against that wall. Thanks!
Thanks, Scott! Hope it helps my friend!
Excellent video one of your best
Thanks, JC! Ben is awesome...good stuff!
Eric once again awesome info! Because you won’t move to San Diego- u tube is my guy! I had a major problem with no depth--your video is a game changer! 🥃🥃🥃
Our pleasure, Todd! Ben was awesome...great drills!
GREAT video lesson, when combined with Early Extension, really does a great job of explaining where the TURN emanates from the hips and core both back and through. I love the checkpoints and the drill. Went out and focused and simply made great contact and ball flight. Remember your lesson about butt of club at settup being above your belt and ahead of the ball to help with draw .... you don't do that here ... is there a reason ? Are the two not compatible ?
Thanks, John! Agreed!
Good catch...no reason really...I just haven't hit balls or practiced much since we have been on the road traveling past 2 months...I generally draw the ball TOO MUCH so I have to put in pieces to draw LESS...
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Informative video, love the wall drill. Sometimes when I’m doing it, I lose contact with the wall while turning back. Thanks
Thanks, Marco! Hope it helps!!
The wall drill is amazingly.good...it helps you feel what the backswimf actually feels like, it feels way different than it looks amd this wall drill nails that feelings, plus I just do this for general flexibility now...its great
100% agreed! Good to push the exaggerations!
Happy new year Eric 👍
You too buddy!
This is the key to a great back swing .
Big part for sure!
Great video! My hands do go straight into the wall! I feel like I do this because it looks and feel likes it more powerful but my shots are all over the place, a pull, a fade, a draw and a push. I keep trying to tell myself back and then up with my hands, correct? Thanks!
Hey Robert!
Thanks for the message.
The checkpoints are the checkpoints. You should try and hit those spots and then correlate your FEELs to hitting those spots.
We would have to see a video of your swing to say for sure what YOU should do/feel. Check out cogornogolf.com if you don't get it sorted I can help guide
Hi guys! I love love love your videos. I have an issue where my swing gets too long and those crosses the line. No matter how much I try and shorten my swing, it doesnt. Its been bothering the crap out of me. I have been able to get myself down to a scratch playing a small pull cut which ends up pretty straight overall. This year I made myself a promise to get proper lessons to get myself out of this trap of death per say. I'd love to see what you guys think of way to shorten the backswing. I get way past parallel thus crossing the line! VERY APPRECIATED! Id even be willing to send a video and pay to get ur help :)
See if any of these help
ruclips.net/video/PsEjgXMqIAs/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/pGFXRKq2JwY/видео.html
Or start your downswing sooner and sooner until it starts how you want. You might need to feel like your hands only go back HIP high and then you start your downswing SOONER....
If you cant get it sorted check out cogornogolf.com and we will help!
The easiest drill I’ve done to shorten my swing is doing the same as they do here. Use the shafts w a noodle over your trail shoulder. If you go too far, you’ll hit the noodle. It almost feels like your hitting a knock down shot or 3/4 swing but your doing it right if you don’t hit the noodle. Then take the noodle away and hit some shots w the same feeling as the shaft and noodle there. Works great
Thanks Eric... How far are you heels from the wall? When I do this drill it feels like I am falling forward when I bend from the waist. Did you get the same sensation??
Hey Juan!
Not far...only a few inches
Heres a setup video you can see more info on this subject
ruclips.net/video/8TjvCHCAQ0c/видео.html
You shouldn't feel like you're falling forward if don't correctly
Eric, I just started working on getting deeper. I have had some early success, but I am coming from so far inside that I am thinking I am too shallow and not getting a downward blow. I seem to be picking it off the ground.
Make sure you are turning your body enough in downswing to get the hand back out coming down
Been golfing for 30 years and granted am I not overly flexible, but that wall drill is insanely hard for me. I had NO clue what real depth was till I tried that. Wow.
:) Stretch that body out baby!!
@@CogornoGolf What's great to know is that if I do it correctly I can't "over due" depth. Thx for reply Eric!
I'm able to achieve depth in the wall drill when I feel like I'm turning/opening my hips freely in the backswing. But I feel like I have less control and maybe less power because with that hip turn there is less feeling of "coil". Is there a tradeoff between depth and coil in the backswing, or do I just turn to the max?
I would turn more freely and not worry about the "coil".
The coil is not generating any power
Such a great video!
Thanks, Kyle! Ben is awesome!
Eric, I’ve seen that same wall drill but they actually hold the club during the wall drill. The goal is to stay connected and not hit the wall with your club during the backswing. Do you like that or would you say that is not the ideal backswing?
Hey Andrew!
I do not like that UNLESS someone is TOO DEEP and needs to get more vertical....but not as much with normal swing.
Love checkpoints
Me too!
This is being done with an Iron.. Are the same principals applied with driver? But a more Rotational take away?
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Eric, at about 9 minutes in to the video you have your back against the wall and a club by your trail hip. Shouldn't my hips be moving forward in the last half of the backswing and therefore would it make sense to have a club by my FRONT hip that I try to get to during the back swing? BTW, I love my Cogorno Golf membership and video lessons. Thanks
Hey Dave!
you can work it either way
As for the trail hip we like an object there so keep trail hip on it in takeaway and then working 1-2 inches off from takeaway to top like these
ruclips.net/video/FbA--1xWGsc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/sz652jg7nEw/видео.html
I am soooo struggling with this topic…which I believe we all do….but me more :-) Any additional topical videos ?? Please?
Hey!
Have to make sure you turn enough first things first
80-90% of the depth comes from hip and torso turn
ruclips.net/video/6quQa2Wr0bY/видео.html
Eric, this feels like the club gets pretty far inside on the backswing. I had always thought that you turn and the right elbow folds/wrists start to hinge as the hands and arms work in an upward motion to help keep them in front of your body. Is there any risk here with getting stuck too deep on the backswing or being too flat?
Hey Michael!
Yeah there is always risk in doing ANY movement.
I would use video vs the checkpoints
Hands over feet when club first parallel
Hands in line with right pec/bicep when left arm parallel
Hands behind right shoulder at the top
The checkpoints are the gold then you can correlate your feels to those points
I would confirm this with video so you dont have to guess
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If you are like me and you don't "get" the body turn controling the arms, try swinging the hands "not the club head" wide and almost in a straight line parallel to target. If grip is right and you keep your trail elbow at your side, the club would hinge automatically and the weight of the clubhead will pull the body into rotation. Give it a shot. I give up with the body leading the arms. Just can't get it.
when I have too much depth- in the downswing- push left or have a bad hook! is there a tip for that?
Certainly!
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@@CogornoGolf Got it- thank you so much!
So, last night I did the Wall drill, although I'm somewhat limited due to injuries, ect. Anyway, I did the best I could. Tonight at the range I focused on that, and getting much more width, I did start out short and slow, however I was hitting way behind the ball..So, I figured out that with the extra width, and dropping into the "slot" I wasn't rotating, i.e. I was way out of sync..Once I got into sync, things started going really well. I began with my 56* wedge, once I made solid contact, I could see the distance gains, guessing about 5 to 8 yards, but the most important part is the contact, so pure with consistency. Moving all the way up to driver, I saw and experienced the same gains, and good strikes. Soooo, Thanks again Eric, and Ben..Oh, and thanks to you, some people have the nerve to actually watch me hit balls, and some ask for advice..lol I do work hard at my game..:)
Excellent!
That sounds like the normal learning process!
Try a new backswing move....then have to learn to match it up with the downswing moves....then see progress.
Love it...great info and drills from Ben!
Is this advice more for hitting a draw or are you always wanting to get the hands behind on the wall like that? The hands disappearing into the lead thigh, is that for a draw or a normal straight shot ?
Colby Zurlini straight shots as Mr. Hogan said is the tough shot in golf. You can hit draws or fades with this backswing
When I get too deep, I tend to get too flat and feel like I’m swinging around the body, resulting in a hook. The depth is the easy part but I can’t get the depth AND the hand height. Top of the backswing, my hands are just above the shoulder plane.
Sounds like you need more LIFT. May need to FEEL like Bubba Watson to get it to look how you want.
Love your training videos and in lWatching your latest perfect backswing with Ben was a great learning drill.
Also, What is Ben’slast name
Thanks, Bob! Appreciate you being here.
Pellicani.
Here is his info www.pelligolf.com
Eric, could you do a video or direct me to a video that teaches me what to do with that depth?
Hey Scott!
Like in transition and downswing?
I'd love to see the same discussion specific to the driver off the tee.
Thanks for the message!
I would say in general the principles are exactly the same with driver!
@@CogornoGolf Ok, cause at 13:10 the video said something about the swing plane being flatter w/a driver.
Your FEELS wouldn't change much.....that happens automatically because of CLUB differences and how you SETUP
Not consciously changing plane
I tried the wall drill and could not het my hands to touch the wall. Is it flexibility or technique?
Hey! Can't say for sure....would need to see. This is hard for sure....not easy for me either. Try closing your stance a bit at setup to help....pull trail foot back like I show here:
ruclips.net/video/KGEBSufIGwo/видео.html&pp=ygUTRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHNlbmlvcg%3D%3D
Hips, biceps, heels. Thanks.
Boom.
I’m probably one of the few people who has a flat backswing but comes super inside. Struggling to get more shoulder tilt however.
ruclips.net/video/Z3WRJIYky10/видео.html
BEST ADVICE IN GOLF I HEARD " YOU KNOW YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT WHEN YOUR MISSES ARE STILL WHAT YOU WERE TRYING TO DO " ..
I like it!
As Rory McElroy said when he talked to Mr. Nicklaus he said when he takes it back he's always imagining his hands moving back under razors. I've always thought of it as under a shelf but hey that's more to the point for sure. 😂
Whatever works :)
How do you know if you are someone like Justin Thomas or Brooks Koepka or Viktor Hovland and getting deep isnt a good matchup?
Great question!
I would say
1. If you hit it great and score how you want don't change it!
2. Find a good coach to work with who can find what works best for you!
Me: Stands with back towards wall and tries it...
“No way that’s right”
Hahaha. So true. Amazing how little I’m stretching and extending in the backswing when I try this. My only issue is while I’m trying to stretch high and back to touch the wall, my right elbow is really coming disconnected from my body. I can’t keep my elbow tight because I am trying to create that depth from up top...
Haha def makes you get your body moving :)
Is there over depth?
Yes.....if you can't get it back in front on way down. Butt of club too far behind heel line from down the line view.
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Eric, in my simple mind his takeaway/backswing focusing on turn (with minimal arm elevation) to create depth seems to contradict many of your videos where you encourage a steeper backswing, or position at the top, in order to shallow the club during the downswing (as you often say, 'do the opposite').
Hey John, thanks for the message!
I think we need to differentiate the HANDS from the SHAFT when we are talking about "steeper"
I think Bens checkpoints are pretty darn close to what I would normally suggest in all my videos as you can see below (club down toe hands in line with right pec/bicep, butt of club between heel like and middle of right foot)
ruclips.net/video/8TjvCHCAQ0c/видео.html
Now when you say STEEPER....thats the SHAFT being more VERTICAL...
I always suggest butt of club ON or just inside the ball line on way back....YOU CAN do that REGARDLESS of backswing HAND path checkpoints (which is what this was about....HAND path)
ruclips.net/video/6quQa2Wr0bY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/708RnB3Pjrk/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/XpWOWy5QWdY/видео.html
hope that helps
@@CogornoGolf I was thinking the same as John. It seems like you can take the shaft back on plane (McElroy) or have the shaft steeper and shallow the shaft to get on plane (Fowler). Pros do it differently and get the same result but Ben's method seems simpler.
Hi I understand you need more depth but by creating the gap with the left hip as pulling your right hip behind you pulls your out of plane. I think you both need to watch the late great Mike Austin then if you know about his methods you would understand why it blows out mike benders methods out the water
Thanks for the feedback, Marcus!
I'm confused. Eric you've previously stated that the hands should be opposite the right pectoral muscle but now you're saying they should be opposite the right bicep? Also wasn't it Lee Trevino ( a great ball striker) who said he pictured two pieces of 2"x4" timber, one on each shoulder and the hands never went outside these (ie opposite the right pectoral for a r/handed player)?
Hey!
Sorry for any confusion...
In most of the videos I use RIGHT PEC...but the bicep and the pec at this position are no more than 1-2 inches apart...so is that THAT big of a difference? I don't think so..
Not sure about that quote...many great players FEEL something but REALLY DO something completely different.
I would encourage you to youtube down the line slow motion of the best ball strikers (or any swing you like)
Check where the hands are at left arm parallel and then butt of club at the top
MOST good ball strikers hands are between sternum/right bicep at left arm parallel
Butt of club between middle of right foot and heel line
Bicep and heel line would be on the "deep" end of spectrum...which would be GREAT for most.
Hope that helps you and clears up any confusion you may have had
These are great videos, but just once I would like to see these videos with a big fat guy learning how to swing the club like this. I'm a big dude and I'm sure my fat belly, along with arthritis in my knees and lower back are not allowing me to get Deep as they say in this video. These are great drills for the normal 5' 8" 165lb to 180lb guy, but what about the 5" 7" 250lb to 280lb guy who loves the game of golf just as much? Let's get some bigger heavier guys in here to show us how it's done.
Great idea--I hear ya!
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Eric, think you might be giving this 'best coach in Tennessee' a tad too much credit without giving his teaching serious critique of your own. :) In this vid, and I'm sure you'd agree if you watch your backswing, he actually made your takeaway way below the plane, at the expense of stressing the connected turn. I think teaching a shoulder turn as a standalone movement can be grossly misleading, as novice golfers more often than not don't know how to merry up their arms' vertical motion with the 'turn'. I've always thought that body rotation is a reaction rather than action in golf swings, i.e. as the club swings around your spine, it happens as otherwise your arms can't go anywhere. Thought I would share my thoughts on this because I remember some 20 odd years ago some guy taught me to turn and it completely messed up my backswing for a long time. The damage this advice led to was that I ended up rotating flat and it was never in sync with my my arms, effectively creating a false rotation.
Thanks for the feedback, David!
That was actually MY fault as Ben told me I was overdoing it....so my fault there not his.
The normal golfers I see everyday NEED MORE turn and MORE DEPTH....but I understand your point!
ng - most ams too flat
Thanks for the feedback, Tom!
Most ams FLAT with SHAFT....but DEFINITELY NOT with arms.
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Let’s count how many times this guy says the word”right”...
Lol or how about the "yup" I said 1,000,000 times! Will work on that...gotta laugh!
And the number of times you say 'depth' kekekekeke :)
Eric, I wasn’t talking about you, but your guest instructor. However you did say right a lot probably cause he was, but normally you don’t. Keep the great videos coming, your awesome.
Haha I know you weren't but funny watching it back how often I did too :) All good my friend! Appreciate ya!
It doesn't matter what you do in the backswing. Matthew Wolff proves it. It's what you do at impact.
There is truth in what you say. Bradley Hughes teaches this concept. Many great players have very different back swings. Ray Floyd and Jim Furyk move their hands almost straight up with Floyd taking the club head way behind him and Furyk taking the club head more out in front. Having said that, not many people can do what they do or Matthew Wolff either. I've been tinkering with my swing and have found that the deeper I get my hands behind me and avoid cupping my lead wrist and keeping my lead arm connected to my chest I hit much better shots with more accuracy and distance. Depends on the person, their strength, flexibility, coordination, grip (strong, neutral, weak), and all the body part movements and if they complement each other or if compensations are needed to counter certain movements. Impact is the moment of truth. The question is, can you get there from where you started and from transition. Here's to better golf!
Disagree... it does matter what you do... Wolff, probably, does this in his swing to make sure he is going out to in. He could’ve be a club rapper and needed something drastic in his swing to get him on the proper plane to start his down swing.
Matthew Wolf has a ton of depth. He just has different forearm and wrist conditions at the top.
Thanks for your feedback!
I have done probably 50-100 videos on backswing so whether I think its important or not is pretty clear to see :)
Have a great day.
Wolff actually has great depth. He just gets there in a different way that is "harder" for most.
I don't think a perfect back swing is that important ! Firstly, who decides what's perfect and what is the perfect body for a perfect swing. . not all of the legends of golf from the 60's onward had a perfect back swing but they were great at the point of ball contact! even the pro's of today, not all in fact most don't have the perfect back swings, Like the Copybook swing of Adam Scott.
People would say that the Golden Bear, and his wrist putting action is not perfect today yet his putting won him tournament after tournament.. as for me I don't have the ability to turn my back as much and being over 60 I don't go to far passed my shoulder yet so my body wont give me the perfect back swing, yet I still hit my driver 250+m with a draw. That is what I call a perfect drive! and that's plenty for me.
Thanks for your feedback!
I must disagree with both of you as to the starting point of the swing. There is only one starting point and that is
MARY AND ONLY MARY DOING THE VIDEO....
Lol :)
Great vid but the guy is shouting throughout when you're stood beside him
Thanks for the feedback! Hope you enjoyed!
It seems awfully flat.
Thanks for the feedback!
too much talking
Thanks for the feedback!
This video makes too much sense. You guys are fixing to get fired
:)
I tried to watch but had to stop....both of them stress and drag out the last word of every sentence. too hard to listen :( my ears are hurting haha
Lol thanks for the feedback, Jeff!