GOLF: How The Pros Start Their Downswing
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- How The Pros Start Their Downswing
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What do the pros do with the club (and most specifically the club head) to start the downswing? In this video I’ll take you through one thing just about ALL of them do in early transition. I’ll show you video analysis of Tiger Woods, Rory McIlroy, Adam Scott, Dustin Johnson and Brooks Koepka all doing this movement and I’ll explain how you can do it too.
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this video deserves more views, clearest explanation on how to shallow, get wider arc for power, shaft lean. never occurred to me before that it would be so simple as hand away from target. Amazing content and thanks very much Eric!
👊Thank you!
G'day Eric, A quick note, I have been trying to play this game for over 40 years, many lessons, lots of practice (obviously incorrect practice) and discovered you presentations by accident! Lucky me!, Your explanation, drills and videos are outstanding. I have recommended you and these videos to my golfing colleagues and we are all implementing, to the best of ability, your pearls of wisdom. Thanks heaps.
Thanks, Neil! I really appreciate the kind words and support my friend! I hope you are well!
I’ve commented very favourably on your videos before but I have to say that this lesson was brilliant. The way you break the swing down and explain every aspect of understanding the three dimensional swing plane is superb. I’ll say it again, you’re the best golf instructor on RUclips 👍
Appreciate it my friend! Thanks for being here with us!
I tried this tonight with a divot board. I was 6 inches behind the ball. Any thoughts on what that represents (ie, what else in my swing needs to be fixed)?
This is one of the best golf instruction videos ever!! Wow!
Thank you :)
I must be living under a rock - because I’ve never seen any golf instructor teach this lesson-that’s properly why I don’t play golf well- that said - my thought pattern is improving on this game - thank you for another amazing lesson - keith
hope it helps ya my friend
"How the pros start their downswing". I've viewed many, many videos and have read many books and articles about the golf swing. This video is HUGE, at least for me. Went to the range after watching and have never had as consistent, pure and long iron shots, ever. It was magical. And I'm very hopeful, more so this time, that it will stick. Thank you for this enlightening video!
MY pleasure, Arthur! Glad to hear that my friend!
Me too, I have believed we should be swinging on the plane that the shaft is on but really we want to be under the plane on the downswing right?
On or under
I can’t thank you enough for this video! I’ve been watching coaches talk about getting shallow. Do this do that but it was never explained like this! Thank you so much! This is what I needed to see!
My pleasure, Daniel!
Eric, you are a fantastic teacher, very knowledgeable, and “hands on”. OUTSTANDING!
Thanks, Harvey! Appreciate it!
Very intuitive
Simply the best explanation of the downswing that I have ever seen....
Thank you Jonathan!
I’ve deleted all my other golf subscriptions Eric is the man 👍🏼 in my opinion his teaching technique is at another level. I get better with every lesson he posts.
Appreciate ya my friend!
It’s amazing how something the pros make look so simple can involve so many data points that amateurs don’t do properly that they would never see for themselves or even begin to imagine as something to consider. This is a huge one for me, can’t wait to work on this concept on the range. The buddies are gonna be a lot poorer after our golf trip in a few weeks!
haha 100%! Hope it helps!
These lessons are always enlightening...whether you know nothing or everything about the golf swing....there is guidance in there for everyone. Thanks for sharing once again Eric 👍🏼
Thanks, Bruce!
This video changed my game for the better...much better. Thank you
Love to hear that, Jamie!
Eric, this video is outstanding. i have been fighting steep, and this drill almost completely neutralized my path and face to zero. 0.3 and 0.7 respectively. I sincerely appreciate the content.
Love to hear that! My pleasure my friend!
Thank you, I was struggling with this, but now I see :)
Hope this helps your game, Levi!
Hi Eric....great observation, but, in a good swing that happens automatically. For me... that is the only way to really engage my right hip and body against the ground, utilizing the centrifugal forces that most people have no clue how to achieve; that is why the club goes away from the target at the beginning of the downswing, and then the club works back into you, which is called centripetal force, keeping the centrifugal forces in check by going around the corner after impact, meaning...keep turning left or else. The biggest problem I see...is the stupid ball in from of us, people just want to clobber the thing coming over the top, instead of sweeping it, with a sound golf swing AROUND and underneath your body and in plane, effortlessly. That is my humbled view of the game. I know you know all this of course, but most of your viewers don't. Very good video again as usual.
Thanks, Rudy!
Eric, watching the pro swings you show, critical to your explanation is the maintaining of the arm positions achieved at the top of the backswing, left arm close to the chest, well into the downswing. The wrist and forearm positioning seem, to me, to be the easy part of the goal. Maintaining that structure, alone, goes a long way to resulting in the desired clubhead positions.
Yessir!
You are spot on man!
👊Thanks for watching!
That stupid Ben hogan book caused millions of golfers to take back club wide and come down shallow. He even drew it out. I was lucky 15 yrs ago my teacher showed me Erie els swing and how wide he came down, so thanks Ben hogan for causing bad swings and thanks Eric for an awesome video
I tried this first time Eric suggested this and couldn’t make it work. Revisited this allied with an improved weight shift and better grip and found this is an invaluable spot ! And a great tip. Seemed to have bought me a bit more time to unwind the hips more open at impact. Really happy. 7 iron carrying 175 yards which is ace compared to 140 this time last year Thank you Eric.
Excellent! Love to hear that my friend!
Thanks Eric, I watched the video a couple times this week and tried it on the range today. I didn't think it would work for me because I have a tendency to get stuck, usually pushing the ball right but on occasion hooking the ball. I thought this suggestion would make me even more stuck. I was wrong and pleasantly surprised. I hit the ball straighter than I have in a long time and many of the shots felt effortless and pure. I still have to work on my timing but I would think the release at the top and wider arc would lead to increased distance. Looking forward to beating some more balls with this swing thought in mind. Thanks again,
Kevin
My pleasure, Kevin! Happy to hear that...hope it helps!
Great video! I think too many commentators confuse this subject and push the lag idea. They show a face on view of Sergio and talk about the angle of his shaft to his arms and how close the angle gets in transition but from down the line, the angle doesn't really change. The club head just goes behind him and down. So we all cup our wrists to narrow that angle and get lag instead of letting the club work like you're saying. Well explained.
Thanks, Bryan. Agreed!
Dam!....so many good teachers of the golf swing on the Tube and here is another one.
:)
Indeed. I sure wish I would've had this resource at my disposal back when I was initially learning in the late 90s and early 2000s. It would've sped things up dramatically and kept me from ingraining some bad habits that I've had to unlearn. I'm really glad to have it now.
excellent explanation...I've wanted to do this, and how you explained riding the wall down helps.
Thanks, Aliza!
This is a beautifully crafted golf lesson. Much respect Eric!
Thanks!
Like pulling an arrow out of the quiver at the top of the swing. Good stuff, enjoying the channel.
Thanks, Jeff!
I think most of poor (meaning more than 4 handicap) ball strikers are trying to square the club face to the ball from the top. You have such an easy and calm way of taking through these lessons Eric. TU! Excellent.
Appreciate it, my friend!
I think that's a poor assumption.
I am always impressed with the analysis you have done in order to present a video of this complexity to us. When you say that most of us don’t get back far enough, that draws me to the question of flexibility. It seems to me that the arc of the clubhead and hands may be related to one’s ability to turn hips and shoulders. The other issue that I think you noted was how high or flat the backswing is. It almost seems as if each of us needs a swing analysis to work from our flexibility and our inclination for a high or a flat backswing in order to determine what the ark of the hands in the club should be. Anyway, great video. I will watch this repeatedly. I know I don’t get far enough back. I know I don’t settle my backswing and I know I don’t extend through the hitting area before allowing the club to pull me up. I have my agenda for a lifetime
Appreciate the kinds words and support, Ron!
You are the golf Einstein~!!!! I heard about it 16 years ago, but I didn't understand why I have to unhinge so early and right arm extension so early. Thank you so much!!
Haha my pleasure my friend!
Tried this today at the range. Wow. My swing plane has always been too steep, leading to inconsistent contact and loss of power. Just thinking of having the club head move away from the target and behind me made an enormous difference. I didn't realize it until I re-watched this video, but I actually felt the lengthening of the right arm you discuss. The trajectory went from rather low (my normal flight) to towering, and the distance had to be a good 10 yds farther then normal if not more. Can't wait to try it on the course. Great video!
Love it! Happy to hear that, Mark!
Eric Cogorno Golf So taking your lesson on the course showed me that there is something to this. Shot 80 on the nose with a few more three putts then I'd care to admit (including one for par on the 18th - D'oh! ). Going to keep working at it - thanks again
Great explanation. Went out and tried it and shot even par for the first time. Distance and direction was greatly improved. Actually feel like I know where the club face is now. Just have to add more body rotation as you mentioned and keep hands above the club while turning left more (45 degrees left of target). Thank you
My pleasure, Joel! Appreciate the kind words!
As a former tennis professional what you are describing is essentially hitting a forehand movement from from the top of the forehand down to trail arm parallel. How does that relate to the concept of extension of the trail arm up and back from the top and the movement of the lower body towards the target? Is it the turning of the lead hip inside the lead foot? Is it the rotation of the lead knee back behind you? Or can you assume that if you focus on the extension of the trail arm in the downswing and the turning of the hips inside the lead foot that all other aspects generally speaking will naturally align to allow the club path to come to the ball from the inside?
BTW you and the other professionals you bring onboard on your team for the videos, notwithstanding golf swing knowledge, are excellent communicators. Thanks Steve
Some good questions, Steve! Probably too many ?s to give a good detailed answer here and now :)
Im sure if you do some searching here on youtube you can find our videos with all of those answers!
Excellent video. Good analysis of pros to establish club head movement. Movement of wrist and right arm important at top! (not casting!!! Club head along Wall away from target concept helpful.
I guess we should also point out that all starts with the lower body rotation.
Eric keep up the good work!
Thanks, Ron! Appreciate it my friend!
Thanks Eric for this excellent video. I went to the range this afternoon and for the first time I got it. I succeeded in shallowing all my long clubs including my driver!!! For me the cue was the hands movement. Great sensations hitting my 3 wood and driver coming a lot more from the inside
and shallower. Thanks again!
Love it! My pleasure!
This makes total sense. I've found that arm and wrist tension each have to be minimal. Oily wrists and soft hands will allow this to happen. On the other hand, tension is arms and hands is a big cause of pulling down from the top and hitting with arms and shoulders and not swinging and using rotation to deliver speed.
No doubt!
Great video!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge of the swing.
Our pleasure, Burt! Appreciate the kind words my friend!
Catching up with this . Agreed excellent!
Unbelievable video. Very well broken down, great teaching. Thank you.
Thanks, Matthew!
Thanks Eric！Greeting from China through VPN :) On the downswing my right arm unfolds and I feels like my arms moving backward behind my body till to the delivery position. I always hit a draw by doing this. Thank you for your great explaination!
Thanks works! My pleasure my friend, thanks for being with us!
Awesome work done; really useful content here!!! I would love to see a video on how elevating the right foot at impact affects the swing. Thank you again
Thanks, Alvaro!
Usually elevating the right foot bring your quad and right hip IN toward the ball and UP. Because it brings your hip IN it usually creates a reaction of your upper body to go BACK (or stand up).
Generally leading to "early extension". Which then causes reaction of lengthening the arms too soon and release wrist angles.
Which leads to contact issues and direction control issues
Good topic....see if some of these help:
ruclips.net/video/brnUbcu9lnQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/pdRisKYTAjc/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/8cJxgXJglKo/видео.html
If you move your hands/club head in a clockwise direction from the top, you in effect are widening the circle on the way down (during the transition) thereby shallowing/flattening the swing arc coming into the ball
Yep!
I remember Nick Faldo once say ( video Nick Faldo's Golf Course) there was a slight re-rotation from top. Different words same result. Eric, thanks for all the great detail in your videos. 👍🏌️⛳
My pleasure, Tony!
Hi Eric. In your opinion who has the best golf swing on tour? I believe it’s oosthuizen, pure poetry
I really like Victor Hovland ruclips.net/video/-Rm-3rbW_Y0/видео.html
It's hard to argue with guys like Rory and Adam Scott from a visual standpoint. I use Adam Scott to show visuals a lot!
Eric Cogorno Golf yeah I watched that victor video after I asked the question. He’s definitely a player you look as though you teach, based on your teachings. But I enjoy your video’s. You have fresh ideas which I have tried and had success with. Thanks and keep it up. BTW I use to play with Adam Scott/Jason Day in Queensland. Great players and good guys, cheers
Yessir! Dang-lucky man!
I agree with what you said bcos wherever I threw the club straight at the ball, I tended to fat the short 75% of the time.
Hope it helps!
Holy Shit. So good and plenty to work om. Thanks Eric!
Thank you! Hope it helps!
One of your best videos.
Thanks, Joseph!
Never thought about hinging and bowing the wrist like that... i love the explanation! Thanks
My pleasure, Jan!
Really good explanation (as usual) for a difficult concept to understand TY
Appreciate it! You got it my friend!
Great video. I appreciate the great material you put on RUclips. The only thing I would like to have seen is a comparison to a couple of 15+ handicappers so we can see where people like me go wrong compared to the tour pros.
Thats a good idea!
Great video really helpful thanks Eric
Thank you!
brilliant analysis i am now hitting the ball further: thanks mate
Love to hear that!
Good tips while back swing thanks Eric
Thanks!
Good God this is gold. I saw you on Scratch Academy Golf's channel, thought I'd check you out. Nice to know you're only 45 mins away too. Love the videos.
Thanks, Dave! Appreciate you coming over to check us out...hope it helps!
I like your drill and easy to explained , thanks
:)
Eric, this was the missing piece to my swing. Easily picked up a club length and the ball flight is right at the pin. The image of taking the club head down the wall nailed it for me. Still need to work on it to own it but, I am very encouraged with the results I am seeing.
Now teach me how to read greens better and I'll be a single digit handicap. Love your product keep them coming.
Haha Happy to hear that!
Start marking your reads with a tee next to the hole and a start line guide....then assess and adjust...Ball breaks downhill...use aim point or a clock system to start
Well explained!
Thanks, Raymond!
Very good.
Thank you!
Wow this is amazing , game changer for me
Thanks, Ian! Hope it proves helpful!
Brilliant video thanks a mil
Appreciate it! You got it my friend!
Excellent video and visuals to work with
Thanks!
Hi Eric, Didn't realize I was hitting steep all my life. Just recently learning to shallow and it's not been easy. This video is the best. I think golf swing should be teached step by step every detail like wrists rotation/hinge, how the right arm moves etc as you did in this video. Many thanks and please continue to explain detailed as this one.
PS: Can you explain how the both hands are in position just beside the right lef tight? (Is it similar to a tennis movement)
Thanks for the feedback!
I'm not sure what you mean by this "PS: Can you explain how the both hands are in position just beside the right lef tight? (Is it similar to a tennis movement)"
Can you re word?
@@CogornoGolf Hi Eric tks for the reply! Sorry for bit confusing...what I mean is around P5, P6 when shaft is parallel to the ground, the hand and arms movement is similar to a two-hand backhand in tennis?
By the way, I saw other video of yours regarding correct right and left hip rotation and is helping a lot to shallow the shaft in the downswing even more! Tks!
Gotcha!
See if these videos help explain the detail and positions you are looking for with the arms and hands
ruclips.net/video/1rXgZHGyFBQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/p1pcERYzGl4/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/WtYev7pFOc8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/U5w_7XwaVks/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/Kcr0qREfUzg/видео.html
@@CogornoGolf Eric, you nailed it! Appreciate the videos👍Couple of them I studied yesterday. It's revealing and detailed step by step👏 I hit 300 balls today. Along with the hip rotation, arms/hand vid I watched yesterday, i hit very solid and so much different today! First time I'm really happy for my swing. I need to memorize n get my right elbow in front of me (external rotation), body closer to the ball. Overall hit some solid bombs just Pi and 9i. Of course flipped most but it was so much different than ever before. Gonna study these new videos and practice!
Many thanks from São Paulo, Brazil
Victor
Great lesson. I never gave a lot of thought to moving the club back from its position at the top. I think I do that but will have to video to check. One thing I noticed in all the slo-mo pro swings was a swing thought at the top that my Dad (a scratch golfer) used to tell me which I find helpfu. He said that when I start my downswing I should think of pulling on a rope to ring a bell which helped me maintain my arm extension until my hands were about at wais height. I still use that thought. Looking at the pro swings it seems that this jives with what you're saying minus the backward movement of the club head. Your thoughts?
Hey Miles!
I think if that helps you create good motion and hit the ball well that that works!
Depending on some other factors some people will be better off feeling the arms and hands doing nothing from the top, others will be better feeling the arms and handing starting down, others pulling, etc
No one of those is universally correct for everyone from my perspective. Depends on where you are at the top and what other variables are in your downswing to match that
Really good video. Like the wall explanation!
Thanks, Barry!
great info.. that I needed .. thank you.
My pleasure, Sven!
Your drills are the best thanks for your videos
MY pleasure, Craig! Happy to hear that!
Great explanation with TW... Smashed a few drivers with that thought today!
Love it, Todd! Thanks!
Excelente Eric. Muchas gracias desde Argentina
Thanks! My pleasure, my friend!
Great video Eric..... Very helpful
Appreciate it! My pleasure!
Hi eric, do you have a video on position or swing path of right elbow in the downswing?
Hey Charles!
Talked about that some in a recent video here: ruclips.net/video/i0Tdk9XYTqg/видео.html
Hand and club move away due to tilted zarc and slight lateral shift left of pelvic swingcentre.
thanks for watching, Roger!
Awesome Eric!
Thanks, William!
The club behind and away on the downswing is what Mr. Ben Hogan did to generate and regulate the club head speed through impact.
He did it by rotating his wrists counterclockwise and dropped his arms behind him as you described.
The club will sling around his front pivot. The faster he turned on the bottom part of the swing and the faster he ran his right knee towards the target the faster he released the clubhead and the more clubhead speed he generated through impact
The trick is not to get stuck in the back position if the elbows and wrists are in the wrong position. .
Yessir!
LIke this alot.
Thanks man!
On the photo of Adam Scott, at the top of his swing, does the club work up and behind, because he starts his down swing with lower body 1st... .. Leland
Thats part of it!
My question is about parrallel right shoulder outward rotation with inward left shoulder rotation. how does this affect distance? and what is the timing like as you drop into the slot? Am I trying to keep the angle of my swing below an imaginary 60 degree line?
Hey! If Im understanding you correctly some of these should help
Trail shoulder downswing:
ruclips.net/video/REuHr3EhESs/видео.html&pp=ygUlRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHJpZ2h0IHNob3VsZGVyIGRvd25zd2luZw%3D%3D
ruclips.net/video/OQlLrNnepOM/видео.html&pp=ygUlRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHJpZ2h0IHNob3VsZGVyIGRvd25zd2luZw%3D%3D
ruclips.net/video/8efZMUpSu6U/видео.html&pp=ygUlRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHJpZ2h0IHNob3VsZGVyIGRvd25zd2luZw%3D%3D
ruclips.net/video/5wQrp8jXlb4/видео.html&pp=ygUlRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHJpZ2h0IHNob3VsZGVyIGRvd25zd2luZw%3D%3D
ruclips.net/video/N8WUtSPniXk/видео.html&pp=ygUlRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHJpZ2h0IHNob3VsZGVyIGRvd25zd2luZw%3D%3D
Arms/club downswing:
ruclips.net/video/jI5TRIbVuAY/видео.html&pp=ygUeRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHN3aW5nIGZyb20gaW5zaWRl
ruclips.net/video/7Q0Ddm914uA/видео.html&pp=ygUeRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIHN3aW5nIGZyb20gaW5zaWRl
ruclips.net/video/16eB11zmKI4/видео.html&pp=ygUgRXJpYyBDb2dvcm5vIGFybXMgY2x1YiBkb3duc3dpbmc%3D
Great explanation and demonstration Eric, thank you. I'm wondering if unhinging the wrist a bit in the behind/away direction at the start of the downswing is a legitimate way to accomplish this in your opinion. - Dave
Absolutely...
Like pulling the arrow from a quiver drill
Yessir!
Great lesson Eric! What you did in this video was clearly explain and demonstrate what needs to happen on the downswing to optimize clubhead delivery. I've heard the downhinging concept from @LarryCheung and @ClayBallard speaks about feeling like you are pushing tha handle away at the start of the downswing, but you did a better job of expressing how and why. Love the pro views as well - helps augment the visual and supports what the "feel". Big thanks for clearly pulling the concept together!!!
Thanks, Anthony! Appreciate the kind words!
nice lesson thks
My pleasure!
Nice
What a great lesson...
Thanks!
Great Lesson, I wish you would have a video on how to work with Live View
Hey Scott!
Maybe we will.
I have found it pretty easy to use....what in particular would you like to know? Do you have one?
@@CogornoGolf Yes, I have one.
Have you been able to use it yet?
@@CogornoGolf Yes, hard to see image on my Ipad, plus difficulty in using lines
Really, really good visual. One of the best videos ever. Thanks Eric.
Appreciate it, Dave!
Great explanation- Wowow- best!
Thanks :)
Brilliant!
Thanks!
4;30 path baby! Ala brad hughes (golfaus)
Great vid
Thanks!
Great stuff
Appreciate it!
at portrush and a guy had a swing robot you could grip and replicate bk swing and this is the key point from it none of us amateurs realise
For sure!
Great video and to get a wider arc it is logical. Can't wait to try your method.
Hope it hopes, Susan! Wider for the first 1/2 of the downswing is the goal! Can go more narrow from there forward!
So basically some key points of Dustin Johnson swing. It's all good info and I'm sure many amateurs will benefit from it as they develop or tweak their swing to adapt to this swing style but it's just too complicated for me. Great video though.....
Thanks for the feedback, Maximus!
Doesn't DJ also add alot of bow in his wrist at the top? To get that face more closed on the down swing? Or am I talking rubbish?
Keep doing your thing EC, best coach out there for me.
Thanks 10 meters gain super
Awesome!
Dear Eric, I`am a great fan from you`re videos from Vienna, Austria.
Can I ask you something please? My problem is to bring the grip away from the target
with the right arm(ellbow). My left arm is streched, so I cannot bring the right arm (ellbow)
to the direction away from the target. I hope you can help.
Best greetings and thank you very much. Erich
Hey Erich!
Appreciate the kind words..
I would really have to see a video of your swing to see whats really going on to help or else I would be making way too many guesses.
Check out cogornogolf.com if you don't get it sorted so I can see your swing video and help!
@@CogornoGolf Dear Eric, yes thank you very much.
I try to do with my girlfriend to make a video.
Best greetings, Erich
Could they be doing this to give the body a split second more to move to a better strike structure? It seems the rt arm can most easily accomplish this by a slight rt elbow move toward the left elbow and slight push away from the body. Today i will experiment. Thanks.
Lots of micro movements going on as to why,...
Eric I can't see how you can 'straighten' the right arm a little when a straight left arm will prevent that-unless your left arm is elasticated haha
The arms are moving down at you do it....thats how....ITs not just straight away...its straightening and going down in reality.
Can u do this wall drill?
Yup!
Eric, I noticed Rory's lead foot when teeing off was straight, does this make for a wider turn (coil) on the backswing? What swing stick do you recommend when working on my takeaway..Thanks
Hey!
When you say lead foot straight....like not flared out? Not everyone flares...some more, some less. All depends on what you're looking for it to help create!
What stick for takeaway? Well that depends on what you are looking to accomplish? What drill are you looking to do?
For all of these things obviously its way more effective if I can see your swing. Check out www.cogornogolf.com so I can help more!
How about left arm rotation during downswing?
Yup...we have a bunch of videos on that topic specifically if you search!
Good stuff
Thanks, John!
Funny hearing this. I remember when Nick Watney was describing his swing and he says he went from wide to narrow to wide in describing his takeaway to downswing to follow through. It’s all of the different information out there that confuses students.
Hope you enjoyed the video!
Eric Cogorno Golf always do. My son is following these now
Wow! I‘m really impressed by your explanations and the way you present your videos. Very informative and well structured. You made me leave my first comment on RUclips ever. ;) Keep up the great work!
Thank you-appreciate it :)
thx a lot... 👍
My pleasure!