The Problem With Toy Story 4
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Toy Story 4 has earned great reviews, but for me, the latest outing for Woody, Buzz Lightyear and Bo Peep has a real problem.
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My Toy Story Ranking:
Last Place with 8/10: Toy Story 2
3rd Place with 9/10: Toy Story
2nd Place with 9.99/10: Toy Story 4
*AND THE WINNER WITH 10/10!!!: Toy Story 3!!!!*
They're all pretty strong films for sure. I simply love them all together and hard to decide which one I truly love. If I have to pick one, I have to say Toy Story 1. It was a straightforward story and lesson that ran deep and hit hard. The dark and light side of toys being literally next door to each other. It was a world really showing the life of a Toy and how much Woody's world changed in an instant when Buzz comes along. Especially Pizza Planet and outside of the house. It becomes more and more clear how out of place/"outdated" He really is. And hurts more when he confesses this to Buzz when both finally hit their low point.
Toy Story 2 was pretty close though. Because not everything lasts and the things old can be pretty valuable as time goes by. You can cash in on it, display it, or use it till it time to let go. And that it's not necessarily have to grim fate. Woody has a trip to memory of his toy line's golden years. And almost gives into to be at the museum to be immortalized as a legacy of kids around the world than just one: his personal kid. To be stolen out of your childhood for glory can be a nasty fate one could later regret. The things we love that will grow out of or just simply expire its use, doesn't have to mean now it's all over and it was all just a phase. They'll be remembered as one of the significant and fond memories made with throughout our lifetime. Holding a personal legacy, A history you alone hold, Having sentimental value than what they appear to be compare to others like friends or family seeing it nothing more but pieces of junk. It was a strong hitoff.
Toy Story 3 was a very strong moment when it was time to say goodbye. And a lot of us growing with them actually did get old and recently graduated out of school, moving onward to adulthood like Andy. It's a realization that we don't need the things we used to need in our childhood. But it reminds the message that letting go doesn't me we truly forget them in the end. We'll always have them around inside our minds.. and hearts. Cause our inner kid never truly goes away.
And Toy Story 4 was it's own thing and it was great. Finding purpose after years of doing the same thing. Feeling pushed the sidelines and nothing to do with your life, what now? Not to mention the love of your life is out there. And Woody sees an opportunity to get her back... but possibly not in the way he could imagined. Woody's purpose was the big thing in this movie and the newer toys complemented that. How most of them desires to be with a kid and be played with. Have the memories Woody has throughly enjoyed in his life. He gives a piece of himself onto others to impart to so they can make it happen. (Even literally.) Woody knows his role with Bonnie is becoming clear he is no longer needed. So he realizes that the more he spent time with Bo, the more he couldn't take a chance to lose her again. So in the end, He steps in the new world to join her. And like Andy, He turns back and says goodbye to all those he befriended along the way and that they're always be with him. His inner voice telling him they're always be together in memory for infinity and beyond.
Toy Story 1 will always be my favorite. I still think it has the tightest script of all of them and great humor, though admittedly my choice is motivated mostly by nostalgia.
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My ranking of the series, from best to worst:
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4
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2
My main criticism for this movie is: they did buzz dirty.
How?
he wasn't very involved in the (what we can assume) final movie and he kinda came off as stupid. he didnt have much/if any character arch at all and just seemed somewhat there for the sake of giving buzz screen time.
yeah the movie was about woody and HIS progression as a character, (and i love my man woody so im not complaining about the movie revolving around him) but it felt like very little effort was put in to giving him a comfortable resolution and end to the franchise. but i still love the movie anyway haha
@@vivalabowtie8346 he did have that whole inner voice arch which might help him become a better leader now that woody is gone, but i will agree that Buzz felt really dumb in the movie like they lowered his IQ
@@WednesdayWorks I'm fairly certain that it was intentional. There was an obvious woke SJW slant in this movie, in that it set loyalty to "what people tell you, you should be", against loyalty to going against the grain. Buzz was programmed to say the things his voice box says, and so by him listening to his recordings as a means of making his decisions, it indicated that he lives within the "confines" of "what other people say he can be". His role in the movie was literally just to reinforce that point.
Toy Story 4 is the conclusion of Woodys arc. Not Buzz lol.
Toy Story 2: “When it’s all over I’ll have old Buzz Lightyear to keep me company, for infinity and beyond.”
Toy Story 4: lol no
Woody wanted the coochie
That part makes me sad now. :(
Who's to say one day they won't meet again.
@@lamontyaboy718 No, we don't need yet another sequel!
@@redraptorwrites6778 naaah, there's somethings still missing, like Andy's father can be a huge plot drive + him having a kid, buzz and the crew learning to cope without Woody and humans finding out toys are alive
remember when Buzz was a main character?
Damn, that was 11 years ago... Tsk
Remember when buzz wasn’t dumb?
Pixar doesn’t.
Remember when the other toys are not freakin side characters?
this movie wasn't about them though, it was about woody
The whole ending was caused by that damn kid stealing Bonnie's art supplies.
If Woody didn’t go with Bonnie then that would be a different story too
It's like saying that the whole ending of Endgame was caused by that rat stepping on the button and freeing antman
Stupid but true.
That damn kid...
Hpy, that’s actually true. 😔😂
As CinemaSins once said, “And just in case you didn’t think taking away her supplies was enough, let’s remind the audience that even 6-year-old assholes have to be eating an apple.”
Woody and Buzz being separated upsetted me more than anything.
Zoie Talamantes me too! It makes no sense.
stuff like that happens in real life often.
For some reason, I heard a kid go "eeeeewwww!" When Woody and Buzz hugged...
Both the fact Bonnie just forgot about him and him and Buzz parting ways really upset me :(
Zoie Talamantes Buzz should’ve went with Woody, Bonnie wouldn’t care anyway 🤔
In toy story 3 Bonnie promised Andy that she will take good care of woody. She screwed that up!
Can you blame her? She is really young, how could she remember such a promise and hold it in high regard?
And Woody is a male toy. It makes sense that he wouldn't be used as much by Bonnie compared to Jessie. I think it's to do with gender identification.
Storylover but andy was was playing with female characters bo Jessie and mrs potatoe head plus Bonnie played with buzz mr potato head and other characters that were male
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@@Dragon_Ruler_1997 so true
Oh come on, we are ALL GUILTY of disregarding a long held toy we have!
I have to agree with you here. I will also add that Bonnie's sudden disinterest in Woody completely undermines Andy's sacrifice of giving Woody up in the first place. Toy Story 3 ends on a bittersweet note, Andy has to let go of his attachment to Woody, but it's so a new child can have him and it hard not to feel like this sacrifice is for nothing.
The sudden disinterest in Woody but not the others toys was really unrealistic and poorly written
@@cynderot0275 ya. Why is everyone ignoring that? People say it makes sense that Boonie loses interest in Woody since kis change their minds a lot but there's no way she'd only lose interest in him. She would definitely lose interest in Hamm or the three aliens before losing interest in him
@@bengilhooly3616 not to mention that she didn't lose interest in him.
We *see her playing with him in this very movie,* not to mention that she just hadn't played with him for only 3 days *that week.* The longest she has spent not playing with him is *3 days.*
@@cynderot0275 This whole movie was badly written. Stuff just happened because the writers wanted them to, characters took dumb decisions almost constantly and everyone acted out of character.
@@hittingyouoverthehead Absolutely.
I'm happy that I'm not the only person who left the cinema unsatisfied with the ending.
Same. Was Meh to me
Same here
@M J Grasscutter It's a sense of relief that I am not the only one who thinks the same about the ending.
Im happy i never even entered the cinema
Unhappy with a kid film*
Buzz in the first movie: I AM NOT A TOY I AM A SPACE RANGER
Buzz in the second and third movie: I will always be there for Andy and my friends and I know what I'm meant to do
Buzz in the fourth movie: bUTtON TeLl mE WHat tO DoOOo!
GOD I hated the fact that the made Buzz dumb as shit in TS4
Pick up that can to be fair he’s meant to be pretty unintelligent in the other films too, it’s an ‘endearing’ trait.
I know he seemed very different
Keith Sheeler I actually thought that was pretty funny, as buzz is figuring out how his conscience works
@@gold_leader9288 yea but watch behind the scenes you can see Tim Allen wasnt happy with his role
Buzz being a “supporting actor” or an “extra” was heartbreaking.
I agree 100%
It made me so sad,they completely forgot the character
I felt this way about Toy Story 3 too. He was kind of just the comic relief.
@@drinkmoreoil True but if Toy Story 5 happens it would be Buzz and Jessie as protagonists now that Woody is no longer with the group.
Me personally I would much rather prefer to leave these characters rest in peace and instead make a TV series about Woddy, Jessie and Bullseye, which they almost did but they left it behind in favour of the Buzz Lightyear of Star Command show. And speaking of that I would really like the BLOSC show to live again in any form possible.
I felt betrayed, as I really thought Bo was going to reunite with the gang so that they could live happily.
The Would-Be Followers of Jesus
57 As they went on their way, a man said to Jesus, “I will follow you wherever you go.”
58 Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lie down and rest.”
59 He said to another man, “Follow me.”
But that man said, “Sir, first let me go back and bury my father.”
60 Jesus answered, “Let the dead bury their own dead. You go and proclaim the Kingdom of God.”
61 Someone else said, “I will follow you, sir; but first let me go and say good-bye to my family.”
62 Jesus said to him, “Anyone who starts to plow and then keeps looking back is of no use for the Kingdom of God.”
Marcus Cheng a bible verse? Interesting
Nur Faiza YES, THANK YOU! Oh, finally someone who shares my feelings! 💔😢😭
I Don't understand the bible I'm 16
Jeremiah Wilkes dude saying you’re real name and age is really stupid and is THE cardinal rule to not break on the internet. Actually this is so dumb I doubt you are even 16yo you’re probably younger
Woody abandoned Bullseye. After seeing how loyal Bullseye was to Woody in Toy Story 2, that was heartbreaking.
As widely hated as Cars 2, Monsters University and Incredibles 2 are, I can still get at least some enjoyment out of them. Toy Story 4 however is TERRIBLE! They downgraded the characters we’ve loved since 1995/6 (subject to your country of residence or whether you got to see Toy Story 1 overseas before it was released where you live), the plot feels cheap, the film in general feels VERY straight-to-DVD but Woody leaving the group, despite what he said at the end of Toy Story 2, turned this 4th instalment from debatedly bad to HORRIFIC. This is by far one of my MOST HATED Disney movies EVER! This even includes those Disney Channel teen flicks. This even includes most of the straight-to-video stuff. If they NEEDED a 4th Toy Story movie, they should’ve made a prequel that shows how Andy and Woody came to be in the first place! If this was the best they could do in making a 4th main line movie, they should’ve just left it on the cutting room floor! Even that Black Friday reel is better than TS4!
I ESPECIALLY can’t believe I asked for, and got, TS4 on 4K Blu Ray that Christmas! I guess I asked for it because:
1. Part of me still liked it
2. I didn’t want to leave a hole in my Pixar collection
But the more I thought about it, I found myself DEEPLY regretting asking for it that Christmas! It was made even worse by the fact that my country’s current Right Wing government won a snap election just before Christmas that year, causing me to question whether Christmas was even worth it anymore altogether!
I just left that TS4 4K Blu Ray on my shelf, never to be watched. Well kinda, I asked myself a few times if I actually did like the movie, but before long, I decided I didn’t. Wasn’t until around September/October 2021 when I FINALLY got round to donating that unwanted Christmas present to a local charity shop!
On the whole, as a lifelong Disney fan, it REALLY upsets me to see what the company is like now, caring more about money than quality entertainment! Live action Lion King is so bad, I honestly would rather watch BIO DOME!
@@adultmoshifan87
You do know people don't just spend their money on themselves, right? They need money for groceries, bills, to feed their families. Plus, do you realise how hard it is to get and maintain a job?
Also, about the Lion King remake, the whole point of that was to try and emulate the look of nature documentaries.
@@adultmoshifan87 cars 2 was good but cars 3 was bad
Bullseye was even loyal to Woody in Toy Story 3
@@adultmoshifan87 Monsters University was hated? Seems more forgotten than hated to me
Toy Story 1-3: ¨You got a friend in me.¨
Toy Story 4: ¨Did you see how thick bo peep got? Byee benches.¨
lol!!
Hahahaha that's exactly what people do
I swear, man. Bo is fine af
No1 _n0More in the dress in toy story 1 and 2, yes. Without her independent ass mindset.
omg lmao
(Andy goes back to Bonnies to surprise her)
Andy : “ can I see woody”
Bonnie : “Who’s woody” ?
Toy story 5: the return of Woode
@@eliasvasquez7322 Toy Story 6: Woody meets Woode
Toy Story 7: Rise of the Smartphones
Toy Story 8: The Abandonment of Toys.
Ted TC why would a grown man go to someone’s house just to see their daughter’s toy?
This movie shouldn’t exist, and it completely undermined a previously perfect trilogy.
yeah ok. 🤣🤣
TuLokotron2010 Why do you disagree?
CrimsonMaverick You should know that this movies ending Got mixed results, some people like the fact that he has left the other toys and gets to live his own life, and some people like myself are angry by the fact that over 20 years of them sticking together through thick and thin were thrown out the window just because the producers wanted us to cry. If he thinks he should’ve left That’s fine, but I personally think Woody leaving is the worst thing Pixar did beside Cars 2
@@Treeeee2008 I agree. I have mixed feelings towards toy story 4 but the ending didn't do it for me. It greatly upset me how Woody just left. They could have made Bonnie lose Woody by accident instead or something, than Woody finds Bo and returns with her. They should have just ended it at toy story 3.
@@jaxthewolf4572 This entire movie was a journey for woody, to find a purpose now that he is a has-been toy. And being united with his girlfriend, going off to start a family of his own, with all his wisdom and life experience, was a great idea
Just watched this movie. I literally thought the exact thing, the ending works in the context of the 4th movie ONLY. But totally contradicts woody’s entire character staple set up by the other movies
Andy: You took my Woody from me
Bonnie: I don't even know who that is
@Max not really he didn't want to give woody up but she was all "My cOwBoY!"
true, it bothers me so much
@@Marniv2002 How ? In the movie it's been a couple of years since Bonnie got Woody from Andy (she was in pre school at that time) and now she's starting kindergarten, so that's long enough to start losing interest in Woody (as Bonnie first got him when she was a toddler).
@@jerelminter That aint a couple of years thats at most 1 year
Toy Story 3: All good things must come to an end, it's important to let things go.
Toy Story 4: *exists*
THIS
well he did let his kid go.
Nah
I relate to this so much it’s agonizing
XD
Gabby’s arc should have been that a kid could love her broken voice box or not
THANK YOU!!!!!!
Toy Story 4 shouldn’t exist. Toy Story was a perfect trilogy.
Yup you said it
"Watch kids behind glass and never be loved again? Some life."
- Buzz
@Jaden huzzaa a man of quality
EXACTLY!
@Jaden OMG I REMEBER THAT!
It does seem odd how easily Woody threw his life away. It was probably way easier for Bobeep because she was never a proper toy to begin with; She was a porcelain ornament, and wasn't really played with that much. So it's understandable that it wouldn't be too hard for her to live without a kid.
THANK YOU! Why are people at Disney acting like Disney movies don't exist? 😅
So here’s how I see it: being a kid’s toy is like your job or purpose in life, and becoming a lost toy and accepting it is kind of like retirement or letting go
Brian Serway Yep, exactly - I totally saw this as Woody’s retirement plan the movie!
Yesss
Except... he didn't retire... he found a new way to help kids be happy... giving lost toys new homes. He still fulfills his purpose... just differently. None of the other people will ever be his Andy... Andy is his partner... but he still needs to make kids happy without needing a new partner.
These are all good ways to view this... However, I still think that Woody's epiphany here was too sudden. This was something that I thought should take about two movies or more to build up to, not just one abruptly.
@@CosplayCore respectfully, I feel like this had been his"journey" through all three movies
I remember the director of Toy Story 3 saying he was terrified of making a bad Toy Story movie. The director of Toy Story 4 did just that. It's just disappointing that Toy Story 3 ended it perfectly and Toy Story 4 ruined it. It's a problem with Pixar in general. Nearly every film used to be amazing original ideas. Now they just seem to make poor sequels to guarantee Disney money. You used to go to the cinema and know a Pixar film would be incredible. Now you're not very sure. Inside Out was probably the last very good one.
coco and soul was amazing in my opinion. Luca was alright, but turning red was dissapointing. Pixar still has it, but I guess you can't expect every movie they produce to be masterpieces. Pixar is still definitely the most consistent animation studio in terms of quality of movies.
Monsters U was the last good one, and functioned solidly as a send off with a good message: “you probably aren’t the best or even well suited for your dream job”
Josh Cooley is pretty much to blame for this.
i agree with everything u said about toy story 4 but honestly i still think pixar makes some good movies. Soul is one of my all time favorites.
Yes, ima just pretend toy story 4 didn’t happen
This movie was extremely disappointing. There was some funny moments from it but otherwise a very forgettable experience. They could’ve done a lot more with this.
Weird it got positive reviews
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario Huh, maybe reviewers are out of touch.
@@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario cuz it's disney.
i felt people will praise anything and everything made by them
@@denamaharani6479 No I feel like because it's "Toy Story", a franchise that is greatly valued and adored
@@jaxthewolf4572 well you have a point..
The thing is is that I feel like Toy Story 3 already has its perfect ending.
Eggmon - Same. Then again, so does Toy Story 2.
Except this one
Agreed!
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That’s how I see it. If the movie was called “Woody” I don’t think people would argue about it
I think of it more as an epilogue of the trilogy ngl
Toy Story 3
Andy : "Plese keep these for me you promise?"
Bonnie : "Yes"
Toy Story 4
Bonnie : Lol NO
🤣
Afer Al She's a kid for chrissake
Afer Al
Bonnie is a kid she didn't know any better
I don't understand why you justify Bonnie's actions by saying "she's a kid"
I still keep a promise that I made when I was 3 years old! And now I'm 16!
I'm pretty sure kids do know better
@@SplatterPaintMLPv6803noC No, they really don't. Also, it was obvious she wouldn't care much keeping a promise to someone she only talked to ONCE. 3rd point: Kids get over shit and start caring about the "shit next door" faster than a marathon runner.
Watching Woody and Bonnie's relationship in this movie is painful.
...It really is.
If you've seen the two specials (which happen after TS3), TS4 makes almost no sense. She loves playing with Woody and even makes him her Santa Claus in the Christmas special (It's really fun). Plus, whatever happened to Trixie?
@Thunderbird they made her into anther extra in this movie
Thunderbird 1 trixie is not in it because Barbies are SEXIST and set unrealistic standards. It wouldn’t fit the stupid feminist agenda in this shit movie
Evalor oopsie
Toys story 5: rise of the smartphones
Smart phones: exists
Toys: why do I hear boss music?
That's kinda neat ngl...
The problem with toy story 4 is the original characters didn't get enough screen time at all
I honestly ddnt mind...
Mr. Potato Head had an excuse (And Mrs. since most of her character plays off of Mr.), but nobody else did.
@@shadow_spite7121 Ah yes, because Ham had SUCH a compelling character arc in the previous movies.
Yes, but time changes and the entire point of the film is that the toys become less relevant for kids as they get/create new toys and they start leaving the others behind. It wouldn't have made sense to make a fourth film about the exact same characters. It just would not have been as entertaining. This fourth movie, I laughed harder than in any of the previous films. I thoroughly enjoyed the plot. The only thing I thought was a bummer was Buzz Lightyear didn't get nearly enough screen time. I wish the movie was longer but as it's essentially made for children, I don't think they could have sit through more than an hour and forty minutes. Still, the plot to me made perfect sense and I don't think this is the end of the franchise. Woody didn't give up on being a toy for one kid - he will see the world with the toy woman he loves while being a toy to many children! So long as no child find off with him forever!
Fenton Neal outside of buzz and woody what were the redeeming qualities of any of the OG characters
Toy Story 1-3: I’ll always be there for my kid
Toy Story 4: I think we should see other people.
Also, I didn’t really like how much they dumbed down Buzz
I don't think you get it. Woody went through an arc. He was dedicated to Andy because Andy NEEDED him. Bonnie didn't need Woody; he was forgotten about and whenever he was lost, he went unnoticed. After being loyal to Andy, who needed him, he is now a fulfilled toy in a situation that isn't right for him. Instead of being with a kid that doesn't care for him and not having a purpose, he can help other toys find their purpose while bringing himself happiness while doing it. That's why he changed. Look at the character development; in 4 movies, it's expected for characters to change and have development, or else it wouldn't be a good movie.
@Megan Largent
So Buzz being an idiot the whole movie was in character?
Prosthetic Quilt Yeah actually it is in character. He’s usually relatively stupid throughout all of the movies, it’s part of his character. I don’t really understand why all of a sudden it’s a problem
@@FuddlyDud And the constant hammering in of the *MY TOY LIFE REVOLVES AROUND A KID/FAMILY/OWNER* message from the rest of the movies is now worthless because of this.
Plus it gives off the message that collectors and teenagers who are actually into dolls or psychologists or anyone who needs him other than a child is technically worth NOTHING in his eyes--plus, it makes Woody sound narcissistic for the entire movie because he left due to Bonnie losing interest in him for a couple months DUE TO ANXIETY FROM KINDERGARTEN NO LESS--like, has he not heard of a child who doesn't want to play with a toy but then suddenly comes back to it after it cools down from that?
@@glennjack910 toy story 2: lets lead the whole gang through the fucking city to save woody.
toy story 4: what the fuck do i do lol guess ill press this button
The ANDY Saga
1995-2010
Unnecesary Epilogue
2019
1000% agree.
I will fix this
Toy Revolutionary Story
1995
A Forgetrable Bugs Life
1998
Toy Perfect Story 2
1999
John Lasseter Era
2001-2009
Golden Original Ideas Era
Monsters Comedic Mastepierce Inc.
Finding Nemo Parenting Masterpiece
The Incredibles Masterpiece One Of The Best Superhero Movies Ever Made
Trash 2006 Death Of Cimena
Ratatouille Underated Gem Masterpiece The Imporance Of Following Your Dreams
Wall-E The Mute Cinema Relfection On Earth Tecnology And Love Masterpiece
Up many people say is overated but i still love it 😭😭😭
The End Of The Andy Saga
2010
Shitty Sequel Pandemonium
Trash 2
Monsters Mediocrity
Finding Trash
The Incredibles 2 Dealing With Dissapointment
Toy Story 4 The Unncesearay Epilogue -2019
Miracles
Inside Out 2015 Masterpiece
Coco 2017 Masterpiece
Death Of Cinema
Brave 2012 Trash
Good Dinosaur 2015 Another Trash
@@arturocastroverde3349 Cars 1 was decent, Cars 2 on the other hand was awful.
@@darthvader8001 let's not talk about cars 3
@@arturocastroverde3349 No, the 1st Cars was great.
The Relationship between Woody and Bo isn't the same in the 4th. In order to make Bo a bigger character they gutted both Woody and Buzz and made them 2nd rate versions of their Toy Story 1 and 2 characters. They are much weaker roles. You also don't feel a strong connection between Woody and Bo because she clearly cares more about her sheep than about Woody. Even at the end there is no emotional pull between them when Woody prepares to Leave, Bo just dismisses it and says goodbye. Then he chooses her and its not as powerful because she really didn't seem to care one way or the other. She can clearly live without him so there's no emotion towards him leaving her.
It could have been so much better and more gut wrenching, but its ended up being kind of so-so. It didn't hit you hard like Toy Story 3 did, where the toys accept their inevitable fate and that hits you hard because the toys you love are about to die. And the ending hits hard because it showed that Woody was right and that the belief he had that Woody would never forget him was true; Andy really did care.
Months after the movie and I'm still thinking will Woody and Bo ever remeet their old friends again?
@@sailormoonfaiza No
Not in my opinion, anywya
Bo and Woody’s connection in Toy story 1 and 2 was much better because they bounced off each other nicely. Woody was erratic and constantly worrisome since he was the leader, and Bo balanced him out with her calm and collected nature. Then this movie comes out and completely undermines her original character. The beginning of the movie where Bo and Woody plot to save another toy is just so out of character for her specifically. That wasn’t how Bo was. She wasn’t an action-packed toy (which makes sense since she’s literally made out of porcelain, her original personality fit her design perfectly and that’s why she typically stayed in the back away from the action). I could forgive the movie if they showed how she originally was in the flashback with her calming Woody about something, and then being given up made her change her personality to be bolder. But nope. This movie tells US that we’re remembering it wrong and that Bo Peep was always like this.
That description fits 90% of all successful franchises today. Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Masters of the Universe, and and and, everywhere are strong women that make the established, beloved characters play second fiddle in their own movies/shows/franchises and degrades and humiliates them to make the women appear more powerful. Modern day feminism ruins everything it touches.
It's much less of the "no emotion" and moreso respect in Woody's decision. You can still see Bo's face sadden as Woody drops down and I'd rather have what we got rather than an over-the-top, cliche confession to force Woody to stay against his own original choice. And I love that it was Buzz that got Woody to see what he wanted for himself for once and got him to stay. Like a true friend would, letting people walk their separate paths when they need to, instead of clinging onto them and in a sense hold them back.
Andy: ignores Woody for several years
Woody: *Doesnt leave*
Bonnie: Ignores him for 3 days
Woody: Ight imma dip
3 weeks if I can remember correctly.
kevys ッ to be fair Andy ignored the other toys too
lmao
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it was bc it was time and bo made him realise to move on. it's not like he hated bonnie it's why he was trying so hard to get forky for her
Andy: please take care of woody, he really means a lot to me.
Bonnie: k
Also Bonnie: *replaces woody with a damn spork*
Except she kinda didn't? She replaced everyone with a spork and even that had reason behind it
@@Bee-of9uu nah there's no reason why someone would like a damn spork over a real toy. It was just a stupid way to create drama for a movie that shouldn't have been made
@@nickvliet4614 To Bonnie, the Spork was a real toy.
@@nickvliet4614 there was... Because she did it in a place where she felt alone and with none of her toys, which meant a higher emotional value for her. Honestly you can expect that of a kid
Kassandra Estes cool joke. You stole it word for word, but cool joke.
I completely agree. The movie felt dark and depressing. And it put kids (specially Bonnie) in a light that made it seem like they are the villains and bad people in general. It left me feeling weird and unsatisfied.
Exactly, people are forgetting that they're kids.
Andy: YOU LOST HIM??!
FOR A SPORK?
*tears Forky apart*
Also
Buzz in Toy Story 2: Lets get woody, come with me I can lead the whole gang through the city
Buzz in Toy Story 4: I'll get woody and forky...I don't know what to do lol let me press this button
Yeah the inner voice thing really weird me up. It look like buzz just got outside of a box or something.
I know right? Wtf Pixar
Yeah
Lol only because woody told him too and that's why he started doing that buzz did not understand what conciousness was and when woody tried to explain it buzz thought that it would make him a better leader hence why he started pushing his buttons
Maybe what happened to him in Toy Story 3 affected him
Toy Story 3 was the perfect conclusion to the franchise. It shouldve been a trilogy
Watch Toy Story of Terror (the Halloween special). It's not perfect, but has a BEAUTIFUL climax. Wonderful addition to the franchise. It puts TS4 to shame.
Lotso Bear should have returned as the villian. He was a great addition!
I dont even consider the fourth movie part of series lol, to me it is a trilogy
Thunderbird 1 they should’ve just made a tv show instead of that trash fire
@Gabe PL no not all of them
this movie left me mad and wanting to forget i ever watched it.
Same
Bruh wtf is Toy Story 4 is it even real I always thought there was only 3
@@blazer3756 You're correct. There were only ever 3 movies.
@@laststrike4411 To the fans... Yes, there will only ever be three GOOD films. But if we are talking like Pixar... There's... Four.
Same here, I will never watch this filth again
Bo and Woody’s connection in Toy story 1 and 2 was much better because they bounced off each other nicely. Woody was erratic and constantly worrisome since he was the leader, and Bo balanced him out with her calm and collected nature. Then this movie comes out and completely undermines her original character. The beginning of the movie where Bo and Woody plot to save another toy is just so out of character for her specifically. That wasn’t how Bo was. She wasn’t an action-packed toy (which makes sense since she’s literally made out of porcelain, her original personality fit her design perfectly and that’s why she typically stayed in the back away from the action). I could forgive the movie if they showed how she originally was in the flashback with her calming Woody about something, and then being given up made her change her personality to be bolder. But nope. This movie tells US that we’re remembering it wrong and that Bo Peep was always like this. My ass she was.
She wasn’t even likeable either. I love her new design, but that’s completely overshadowed by her smug drill sergeant personality. What would’ve made sense is if she did become bolder but also kept that calm nurturing side to her character intact as well. Her new personality just completely clashes with Woody’s. In the flashback, their dynamic doesn’t feel natural in any way either and it only gets worse as she drags Woody around in the movie, acts smug about her new way of living and her new friends and yells at him when he tries to save another toy. Woody and fricking Buzz had more chemistry in the first movie (where they argued for 3/4ths of it) than Woody and Bo Peep did in this one, and yet Woody still leaves his found family in the end for Bo and her unlikeable new friends?? Even if Woody didn’t feel as though he had a purpose with Bonnie, you still can’t convince me that he willingly would’ve left all his friends he’s been with since Andy was a kid to clap Bo Peep’s cheeks. Goddamn. They turned my boy into a straight up simp in the name of subverting expectations.
I was kinda mad he gave up his voice box. It felt more like emotional manipulation then kindness
Me too omfg
Yeah. Earlier in the movie she was going to RIP IT OUT OF HIM against his will, what makes him think she deserves it? She's NOT a good person, even tho we're led to believe so. Lotso was someone who you felt bad for, but that didn't mean he got a pass in the end.
Movies are SUPPOSED to manipulate your emotions.
MOCMationFilm - You don’t want Woody to be happy? What’s your problem?
@@gamestation2690 but Andy wants Bonnie to take good care of woody and never lost him. If some day Bonnie notice that Woody is gone, she will think her whole life it's her fault an she will scare andy's reaction.
Everyone is so out of character throughout the entirety of this movie.
Especially Buzz and Jessie. They're both significantly weakened. Disgusting.
And little dialogue from Rex is very hurt to watch.
Woody wasn't too out of character imo. Like midnight said, they're probably trying to have there cake and eat it too.
If it wasn't clear this was Woody's movie not Buzz not Jessie so...
Tommy Tootsters He didn’t have any outbursts like his “YOU ARE A TOY!” tirade from Toy Story 1 but I attribute that to Tom Hanks’ being too old for that now.
I completely agree. Everything seems off with the characters. Woody would have never left his kid or the gang
Bo's before bros
StarTheAngel are you sure it’s not the other way around?
It wasn’t his idea! He was ready to go back with the others until Buzz told him it was okay for him to stay behind.
The one thing I’ve been thinking about when I saw the ending is “What about Andy”? It’s like the completely forgot about Andy and Bonnie’s promise to him.
Buzz is my favorite, and I feel like they did him dirty here. You can’t tell me that the same buzz lightyear who lead the toys to rescue woody doesn’t know how to take charge without woody like he does in this movie. This certainly ain’t the same buzz lightyear who gave woody that speech from toy story 2 about being loved by a kid to convince woody to come back because according to this movie, Buzz needs his voice box to tell him what to do.
Yeah, what the actual hell was all that 'inner voice' crap about? It was so not funny and they just ruined Buzz Lightyear for the whole film. The positive reaction to this film is just mass delusion lol
Yeah they made buzz look like a dumbass
yup, literally the only thing that killed this movie for me. Pixar has lost its touch.
maybe because he hasn't recovered fully from what lotso did go him
I like how he was never even told what an actual inner voice was, I guess the movie ends with buzz being delusional
I think one of the problems with Toy Story 4, is the new ideas it introduces makes the audience subconsciously question the reality of the universe they inhabit.
In the first 3 movies, they very carefully ride the line and manage to main your suspension of disbelief by not focusing too much on why or how the toys are the way they are. There's no magical folk lore or actual confirmation outside of their perspective that they are living beings.
By keeping the premise simple and not dwelling on how they came to be, we don't question it and we understand the obvious conclusion that a sentient toy would want to be played with.
Toy Story 4 focuses far too much on this. Even simple things like Woody outwardly philosophizing over the concept of having a conscience or debating a selfish existence of exploration and living with someone he cares about, really muddies the idea of why they're alive in the first place.
When you treat characters like Woody with deep human interests, life goals and romantic interests for too long, when you have him choosing a life alone with his love interest and exploring the world, the audience subconsciously begins to question "wait, why is Woody alive if he's this nuanced and can live independently of being a toy", with characters like Forky's creation also muddying those thoughts.
It starts to bring questions to the table that make the world and the toy's "life" more of a focal point, when really, the less said the better.
You also touched upon it in the video, but I also have a problem with Bo-Peep's story arch for this reason, but also because it takes Jessie's story arch from Toy Story 2, and flips it's conclusion on it's head. Really spoiling the themes of the previous movies.
Then of course there's also the ending of Toy Story 3 almost retconned with this new direction by making Bonnie betray Andy's trust. Woody was never even going to be included in his toy donation until she showed how much she loved him and Andy very reluctantly gave him up, when the previous movies implied it was a long-term family toy.
Toy Story 4 isn't a completely terrible movie, but it's has too many half baked ideas, sullies some previous installments themes and more frustratingly gets worse the more you think about it.
Yes. A toy without a kid is like french fry without salt. What kind of "life" can they enjoy in the great wide world anyway? They can't enjoy trying new foods/drinks or perform any other life functions so what are they going to spend their lives doing? Seems empty. Which come to think of it, is exactly what a life lived in service of self is. Helping others gives meaning to life. This movie seems to think toys doing absolutely nothing more than merely existing (again they can't really DO anything to enjoy life. They're toys with no biological needs or functions) is a lovely prospect. Whereas TS2 adeptly showed the folly of that. This movie is the equivalent of Woody choosing to go to the museum. Would people have applauded that ending as Woody choosing happiness/retirement/fulfillment? Why not and importantly why now?
unefleurdelalune Great response. I particularly like the analogy of “Woody choosing the museum”, really well put and really hammers things home.
There’s other issues too, like Buzz being an intelligent problem solver and second in command to Woody in 2 (leads the rescue for Woody and also decodes the license plate) and the same in 3 (escaping the trash bag, etc). Convincing the others that no toy be left behind. To acting like a doofus (almost pre-knowledge of being a toy) in 4, and actually getting mad and disappointed at Woody for wanting to go back for Forky in the antique store, telling him to give up.
Exactly
@@Benjamoose Another thing that aggravates me about the way they dove into this is how Jessie's claustrophobia and fear of abandonment will ultimately affect her once Bonnie gets bored, like Trixie or Mr. Pricklepants' strange nonexistence after the third movie.
Like, did they not forget her fear of dark spaces?!
Wonderful comment and I agreed with everything you said.
THE PROBLEM IS THAT WOODY GOT REPLACED BY A FRICKEN SPORK.
Remember that our toys got replaced by a screen
@@iliasfilip2110 by a screen, not a plastic fork
@@iliasfilip2110 a screen that have nearly endless possibilities to watch. A spork is a fu*kin eating utensil.
Toy Story 5: Woody somehow finds Andy while exploring the world with Bo. Identity crisis x2
Toy story 6: Woody ascends to heaven to kill God.
Toy story 7 woody vs thanos
Toy Story 8: Woody Burns Down the Orphanage
Toy story 9: woody and buzz throw mars at the sun
Toy story 10: woody conquers 50 million galaxies and beyond
Toy story 3 was the perfect ending 👏 👏
Toy Story 4 doesn't exist.
@@mikebliss3153 whats toy story 4?
Toy Story 4 is probably one of the best pixar movies and has the most complex and beautiful message. Let nostalgia behind and enjoy the movie for what it is.
ioanin the movie was rather nihilistic, nihilism isn’t beautiful. It’s a real bummer and we see plenty of it in reality. I don’t want to see that shit in my childhood escapism.
ioanin One pf the best Pixar movies?? I highly doubt it, Pixar has masterpieces I doubt toy story 4 is one of them. You say we have to leave nostalgia behind and enjoy the movie, the thing is toy story wasn’t really part of my childhood, so I don’t get what you mean. Also the third one had a better message and more beatiful message, because Andy left his beloved toys to a little girl that was supposed to cherish his toys like Andy did when he was a kid, that was a more beatiful message for a toy.
Honestly I wish Bo was brought back home and also Bonnie broke her promise was just horrible
I agree, but at the same time she’s a freaking five-year-old. You can’t and shouldn’t expect her to keep a promise like taking care of a toy she would have easily grown out of years later anyway.
@@Treeeee2008 nah when she left him in the closet I got so mad I’m going to strangle her
@@robindabank3512 yeah no after that comment you deserve to be locked up
Me after seeing TS4: "Trash?"
All critics apparently: "Noo, tops! This movie is tops!"
Me: "To..to..tooo...trash"
cuz it's a disney movie, i felt ppl will praise everything made by them, no matter how awful and bland the story are
@@TheGreatMeme umm... most of indonesians praised almost of their movies... so...
I swear If They Make a Toy Story 5 Bonnie is gonna Dump the Toys For A Phone
Oh my god xD
I'd go crazy
A phone*
@Manfreski yes lmao
@@opticc4664 Plz stop
Cap: Toy Story 3 was almost a decade ago.
Me: Wait what.
I'm having a crisis rn.
To bad for Bing Bong. I thought if Riley could out grow Him he should also live his own life. Thought the same after Bing Bongs death scene
me: what?? no! It came out in 2016-
(2010)
me: is this real life...
Osmosis Jones that’s inside out
@@osmosisjones4912 I feel like it would've been great if Joy or Sadness saved one of the memories with Bing Bong and played it for her to remember
Your mortality is showing
Are we just gonna ignore that the green aliens that SAVE THEIR ASSES in 3 don’t even show up in this one
I even forgot potato head,t rex and tht dog even exist in this movie for a sec
I personally hated the ending to this movie and left the theater low-key pissed. Woody learned from the previous films (especially Toy Story 3) to always stick by your kid and support them no matter what. Then he just all of a sudden decides to just leave Bonnie and all of his friends? It makes no sense to me
Toy story climax: moving truck
Toy story 2 climax: plane
Toy story 3 climax: incinerator
Toy story 4 climax:.............well nothing
A carousel?
Broken RV
RV: Am I a joke to you?
Toy Story Of Terror climax: A fight with a lizard and freeing Woody from the truck.
wow i cant believe you actually didn't feel anything when woody made his choice to leave
I definitely disliked that the older toys were pushed to the side. It resulted in there not being a whole lot of impact when Woody says his goodbyes. In fact, it was practically rushed.
When Woody and the toys parted from Andy in Toy Story 3, I almost cried.
I actually really like that the fourth one exists. The first 3 still make a perfect "Andy-centric" trilogy but the story wasn't done being told. 3's happy ending was that the toys all got a new kid to play with them - so what happens when the new kid grows up too? They needed a fourth entry to demonstrate that in this universe, toys can find a purpose in life outside of complete servitude to a child god. Woody has now broken out of a cycle and he's learned that his way of thinking has been flawed for decades. It's incredible that a kid's movie has the balls to pull off character development like that.
Ryan O I completely agree!
It did feel weird that the only old characters, not counting Bo Peep, that had large roles where Woody and Buzz
@@HannaHeger Excellent point! While it is understandable that Bo means more to Woody, after everything he and the toys went through in the third film, they could've at least made it seem like it was a difficult choice.
Well this movie had an agenda to push!
*how Toy Story 4 should have ended*
*Andy goes to visit Bonnie*
Andy: "Hi Bonnie. Where's Woody?"
Bonnie: "...Who?"
Andy: "Woody,
that cowboy I gave you long ago and promised me you'd take care of him"
Bonnie: "oh, I lost it long ago..."
Andy: "You little daughter of a b-
*STARTING THE END CREDITS*
"You've got a friend in me-"
*Little girl screams during the end credits*
My brain:
1. Throw Bonnie from the ramparts like Thorin tried to do to Bilbo in "The Battle of the Five Armies"
2. Toss her off a building and have her impaled on a watermill, similar to Saruman's death scene in "The Return of the King" (extended version)
3. Throw her down the stairs, like that one orc in the tower of Cirith Ungol in "The Return of the King"
4. Kick her out a window, like that one orc in the former in "The Return of the King"
I’m EXTREMELY disappointed with Toy Story 4.
1: Most of the characters didn’t get much screen time.
2: My boy Vincent got left behind. 😔
3: Woody leaves EVERYONE.
4: Woody and Buzz, THE BUDDIES, are separated forever.
As a 14 year old who watched ALL the movies. These reasons right here, and PLENTY more...it just hit me hard...😔
EDIT: Just finished watching Toy Story 4 for the first time.
I feel like the 4th movie leaves you like “that’s it?” for the ending. When the third movie ending caps the series perfectly!
Nah, that isn't true at all. In fact, the ending here actually has an emotional impact unlike 3.
@@za-ir5ni Toy Story 3 left me in tears! What are you talking about?
@@thenegaxd3830 I mean, why? We aren't emotionally connected to Andy, he is barely in the 3 films. We follow the toys themselves. Woody leaving the gang is way more emotional then Andy leaving them because they are all like a family.
@@za-ir5ni Cuz you're supposed to put yourself into the shoes of Andy. Andy's growing up, leaving the toys behind, like we all are at the end of the franchise. "All good things must come to an end".
Besides, I think we all know the feeling of having to leave your old toys behind and having to separate with them and grow up. THAT'S why it's emotional. Woody leaving the gang when it established how hard they all fought to stay together for their kids just leaves you with a conflicted feeling.
@@skeltheshapeshifter2697 Exactly!
Andy: Wow, it’s so great to be back from college! How are you, Bonnie? Taking good care of the toys?
Bonnie: I lost your cowboy, but look at my fork with googly eyes!
Andy: You did *WHAT*
I just wonder what will happen if Bonnie forgets about JESSIE. Remember, Jessie has abandonment issues from Emily in Toy Story 2 and still has them in Toy Story 3 when Andy wants to put them away. If Bonnie forgets about Jessie and doesn't play with her as much anymore, yeah, it won't be pretty.
@@laughoutgoudo1084 Yes Jessie was the one who suggested that she and the other toys go to Sunnyside after they thought Andy threw them away but when Woody tried to explain what really happened, they didn't believe him.
@@foxtoons1999 don't forget in the short film "Toy Story of Terror," Jessie freaks out when she is put into a box because she won't be able to see her friends again and will end up in a situation like in the 2nd movie where she will be sent off to someone who only wants her for her value, not for being played with.
In retrospect it does feel weird that Andy's treasured toy is Woody and this disloyal devilish kindergartner's treasured toy is a fucking fork
@@foxtoons1999 Then Jessie can reunite with Woody and Bo.
Toy Story 4 should have lost the Oscar to How To Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World which was a MUCH better movie.
Too bad the academy just gives it to disney/pixar cause they believe their number 1
Or I Lost My Body
Literally every other movie was better than this cheap cash grab
My only problem with How to Train Your Dragon 3 was the villain.
@@edmontonboy99 Yeah Grimmel was a little flawed but he's better then Drago in my eyes.
The fact that Andy trusted Bonnie to take care of him the way andy did. Bonnie really didn't deserve woody. This is heartbreaking
So, is no one gonna mention how Bonnie not caring about Woody anymore makes NO sense, considering she loving him was the purpose of the third movie's ending?
Kids grow out of certain things when They get older, it’s a part of life.
@@TheGreatMeme Exactly it’s the end of the franchise, so of course something sad has to happen.Oh wait a second. I forgot that old comment. Don’t mind that one, I agree with you 100%
@@TheGreatMeme And that's not even taking into consideration the multiple shorts we have.
AND THE TIMELINE MAKES NO SENSE.
Toy Story 3 took place ten or so years after Toy Story 2. The original fans of the forts two had grown up, matured and had turned into teenagers. Toy Story 3 used this to their advantage, they made the story mature for the teens but still likeable for the kids.
Toy Story 4 was made nine years after 3, but takes place maximum a year after. This messes up the timeline and it doesn't feel real. This is why in film its important to have consistency
@@_mylo_xyloto_1816 I was around 15 when Toy Story 3 came out (having marathoned all of the movies once when they aired them on ABC Family) and when I heard that the 4th one wasn't consistent with the timeline of the third - Bonnie should be at least 10 or Molly's age realistically, I knew this thing was going to crash and burn rubber.
Not only that, but - why is Woody alive? Why are the toys alive, if being loved by a kid is so miserable to them? Toy Story 4 breaks the entire world the first three movies set up because they wanted Bo Peep back so badly.
I thought 4 was HILARIOUS, and I enjoyed it, but Toy Story 3 was the heartwrechingly perfect sob-tastic ending to the story in my opinion.
Agreed. 3 was the true ending of Toy Story. 4 only exists to make more money for Disney.
Funny yeah I think it describes it well
4th was horrifying! 2 small monsters grew stronger and bigger and DESTROYED people in a second. They destroyed everything in its way and nothing survived.
Yes that did happened, in one of the dream.
Everytime i read a comment saying Toy Story 4 was better than 3 i want to cry
@@karlyescobedo9237 I enjoyed 4 more than 3.
Toy Story 3 ended the series so perfectly and 4 definitely felt like a cash grab more than anything to me.
That’s what I’ve been saying! There was no reason for Toy Story 4 other than making more money!
Is no one questioning how awkward it's gonna be when Bonnie asks, 'Where's Woody?'?
My issue with TS4 was how they dumbed down Buzz. This last film reversed his character arc.
Agree totally! I never remember him being this stupid. In the 1st one he was delusional but not stupid.
No I love this buzz because this movie was hilarious as hell and I really fucking enjoyed how funny Buzz's retardation was, it reminded me so much of the first film and I enjoyed how Woody was basically Forkies Dad, good jokes, good ending, best toy story
Trev H the humour in this movie was inferior to that of the previous 3 imo
They dumbed down all the males. It was such a blatant injection of feminism, it was nauseating.
Echo Gaming But Woody’s usually pretty decent at thinking straight. Bo peep had to lead him around in this movie
I just hate how they split up Woody and Buzz. “And as the years go by, our friendship will never die”. And then Woody’s just like see ya this doll is thick
I’m going to abandon all my friends I’ve been with for over 20 years so I can clap some porcelain cheeks
@J- LEETHAL HA
@J- LEETHAL 😂😂😂🤣🤣
Their friendship is dead also I have to mention that they both have more years being together than bo and woody seriously 😐 was it 25 ahhhhhhh okey
I'm pretty sure the song is about Woody and Andy, not Buzz.
Toy Story 4 didn’t feel like “The End” for me. I would like to see a final Toy Story where Woody returns to grown up Andy along with Buzz and the gang. And they can live happily ever after.
There are no happily ever afters. Because life has to go on. Happily ever after is a lie created by Satan. True happiness is found in Christ
K
How about Bonnie recognizing how special Woody really is, Bo and Woody realizing it others and family that matter, and them journeying home to rejoin the others? It could be a story of healing, a story of hope.
Woody could have revealed he was alive in a good way. But Sid got scared by Woody lol
Marcus Cheng whatever.
Everyone is different. My favorite BY FAR is Toy Story 2.
Number 3 is the best one.
You have good taste
@@lindsay16 Yes.
Same
Numero 3 will always be my favourite.
I think woody left because he was fufilled. He already had a kid. He wanted to focus on making other toys fufilled too.
Your explanation is the best commented.
that's a good point
Good point! I feel like they could have handled this better without making his letting go of Bonnie so.... What's a good word for the opposite of sentimental?
Toys are a charity case
@@GeneTonics Callous?
Andy: Take care of these for me.
Bonnie: I don't think I will.
_intense staring to the closet where she kept woody boy_
🤣🤣🤣
When the movie finished i yell
*Bonnie, u had ONE JOB*
Ppl laughed a lot...
...
...
...
But in my mind :c
No one said nothing actually at my scream :c
Imagine leaving your friends who have been with you for year and never seeing them again for a girl lol
Toy Story 4 teaches us that being wanted and being alone are both equally valid.
THank you it teaches you about personal acceptance,I think people that aren't getting it haven't matured and I say this humbly.
@@elsavillarreal7952 or, you know, it didn't do it very well
But dosent fully hit that and explore that
@Aquarium Gravel exactly
"Toy Story 4 teaches us that being wanted and being alone are both equally valid."
Except Woody isn't alone. And he likely doesn't make the decision to leave Bonnie if Bo Peep isn't on the other end of it to be with. That makes it more of a "If you can't be with the one you love, be with the one you're with." message. Which still has to do with being 'someone's' as Woody likely isn't doing it, if Bo Peep isn't waiting for him and to do it with him.
So Woody nor Bo Peep are alone at the end of this.
My biggest problem is how the other toys get 10 minutes of dialogue
OMG JESSIE HAD NOTHING
TheLonelyExtrovert I NEEDED MORE JESSIE
Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that Pixar used archive voice recordings for Mr. Potatohead from movies and other media sources since Don Rickles passed away. It was a joke. He had maybe 2 lines lol
TheLonelyExtrovert she sayed YEEHAH
Honestly the 4th one didn’t seem like a full movie... it’s like it was made up of several short animations and Woody chose Bo instead of Buzz and Jessie WTF
I'm so glad there someone who thinks the same way as me!
The movie itself wasn't bad, but the last choice really bothered me.
Like you said they might have ruined all the other toy story series themes.
Loyalty was my favorite and main characteristic of woody but when he gives that up, it felt weird.
I liked his loyalty and I never thought it was a bad thing, it was the thing that makes him so lovely.
So even the movie was fun, it left me a little hole.
(maybe I'm going too far but I don't think a "following your heart " is always the answer.
But these days too many movies has that theme , and even toy story 4.
I'm not saying it's bad, but I think not all of them have to be that them.)
The reduced role of other main cast was also unsatisfied.
Toy Story 3 did that so well, but 4 didn't live up to that( to me I guess).
Well, at least this video did made me feel better.
Keep up the Great work!
To be honest I thought Woody’s choice made complete sense. He was there for Andy as a kid, and Andy had a tough time letting go of Woody because Woody was there for him during his childhood, and letting go of Woody was completing his childhood while moving on to becoming an adult. Bonnie sort of forgot about Woody, and it even shows towards the end of the movie. Woody has fulfilled his purpose as a toy, and now he has a choice to live his own life with bo.
Exactly👏🏾 someone was paying attention
Exactly
It's not really his own life though, is it? He still will probably help lost toys get kids... still makes kids happy... just different than before.
He can't have the relationship he had before with any other kid.
Man, Pixar needs to find some new ideas..
@@icecreamhero2375 Ha! Got Him. After Onward, Pixar is going to release Soul
My issues with TS4.
1: Like no buzz screen time.
2: Splitting up the toys. They’re family.
3: forky
Why forky?
Nexis siempreaqui while he was funny, the movie shouldn’t have revolved around such a lame character. Woody could have learned the move on lesson a better way.
That's the thing. Physically, family can split up. But in their hearts, no.
Kav Pk very true, but real people can visit. Toys I would think would have a tough time finding each other. Look how long BoPeep was gone, and they found her by accident.
@@superdutyzack I guess that's the profoundess of it all. There will come a day when we can't visit our most beloved family members either. I don't know. Only thing I was mad about was dumb Buzz.
Imagine leaving all your old friends for a Bo Peep that barley appeared in Toy Story 1 and 2
Yeah. You didn't watch 1 and 2. Bo and Woody were clearly an item.
@@NeoConnor1 yes I have.... I get that but the fact he left buzz and all the people he's been with for years
@@NeoConnor1 and how are you gonna tell me that I havent watched them both when I clearly stated they were an item in 1 and 2
I agree with this, I thought I didn't like the ending just cos its so Bittersweet, and I just couldn't understand why he'd leave Buzz for freaking bo peep, I shipped Jessie with Woody more than her😂 but this explanation is better
I felt like bo and woody are retiring. Having a kid is still the most noble thing a toy can do, but bo and woody have both fulfilled their purposes, so they can leave. Like cap leaving the avengers
But when it's the Avengers it's okey when characters are out of character because its the MCU and the MCU can do no wrong
@@aviad61 interesting take
But as the video says, this idea completely contradicts the previous 3 movies. As a toy, having a kid was not just a service to the kid, but a service to themselves.
JRH 1007 but Woody is now helping other toys find kids. Isn’t that also a noble pursuit?
icecream hero I mean he did abandon Bucky, the one person who Steve seems to put above all else, like he sacrificed his relationship with Tony simply for Bucky and you can’t easily say that he would do that for anyone else, so for him to just abandon his formerly brainwashed friend who was forcibly turned into an assassin against his will so for him to hook up with his former girlfriend from the past can seem a little out of character. While I myself don’t really mind it I can understand why some people might not, especially since this ending kinda makes Cap’s arc about accepting that the past happened and that he should move forward with his life kinda pointless, since he just decides to leave his new life behind along with all of his probably traumatized for life friends and his maybe girlfriend Sharon that he forgets exists so he can get go back to his past life and just ignores everything including his wife’s organization being infiltrated by HYDRA and his best friend being brainwashed to be an assassin all while he finally gets laid. It can be seen as overly selfish to some.
Bo peep was a completely different person
Well no shit she practically grew up on the streets she got tougher and street smart not being in a room and its been years that way so no shit shes different
Feminist agenda.
@@rodrigosilv30 naw ur just dumb
@@alreacts9555 You are too idiot to notice simple things. Shame on You, kiddo.
I was actually excited for such the drastic character change they were putting on this side character everyone was like “what happened to her” about, but I have to agree. Something about her was just entirely off the entire time. She didn’t come off as an independent adventurer scouring the outside world on her own, she came off like a drill sergeant who should have been wearing a military uniform. At parts she was just plain mean. She was literally yelling for a good portion of the movie. I remember realizing if it was one of the male characters acting like she was they would just seem cold and cruel. And that’s not something that feels right for Bo Peep as we know her, though my memories aren’t the most clear.
Watched Toy Story 3: Cried my eyes out
Watched Toy Story 4: WTF!!!
Richard Halligan 3 was better in all honesty but the 1st and the second was the best ones
3 was better in every way.
What it felt like to me was almost like how The Last Jedi treated Star Wars. It seemed like a different take by someone who viewed and interpreted the previous films quite differently, though it's certainly not nearly as insulting as TLJ was.
Buzz was tossed to the sidelines in favor of new, very unlikeable characters
That little toy who was along with Bo was really annoying, she screamed all the time
Actually Buzz was the only other old character, besides Woody and Bo Peep, that had a large role
@@federic0_s505 AGREE! I thought I was the only one! I hated that thing.
@@federic0_s505 You do mean Forky. Don't you?
@@penny1545I didn't hate Forky, but I feel that he didn't affect the story. His entire character arc finished like at the half of the first act, then he serves like, no purpose on the story (kinda ironic)
I personally enjoyed Toy Story 4 but Toy Story 2 will always be my favorite.
Same
Same
People say ts4 is the funniest but I still think ts2 is the superior comedian
Me too. I personally liked it more than 3 but still like 1 and 2 more.
I watched toy story 2 today!
Because it's my favorite
I honestly don't consider this movie canon. It kinda ruined the happy ending Toy Story 3 left us with. I loved the short episodes that followed us up with what the toys have been up to living with Bonnie. Everyone is happy and now creating new memories with Bonnie now.
Let's just say that Toy Story 4 is unnecessary. The franchise had the perfect ending in Toy Story 3.
Agreed! If fans were really desperate for Bo peep to come back, they should have her return in one of those tv specials setting around Valentine's day and have her in her original outfit.
Toy story 4 was a complete cash grab
“It’s called loyalty [...]”
Some minutes after: bye Bonnie
Woody was loyal to Bonnie. He went through a lot of trouble to get Forky back to her.
Woody knew Bonnie didn't need him anymore, so he chose to move on.
Essess Nine He changed his mind really fast anyway
@@porsche911sbs and abandoned buzz, his best friend? This was bullshit. The whole set up is messed up and feels like fanfiction. bonnie who suddenly doesn't care about woody AT ALL, children and adults failing to notice that the toys move all over the place, bo's entire character (even in the beginning. there is no way she would've suggested woody to come with her) and all these minor things, this movie attempts to subvert expectations, and it doesn't belong. It's a good movie, but it doesn't belong
Bored Kenny what really annoyed me is that we’re led to believe that no peep has been with Andy and woody since Andy was maybe a baby, once buzz comes and she leaves they become friends for like 12 YEARS.
I feel like this was more of a Woody Story much more than a Toy Story
TC Productions all of the toy stories have been woody’s. He’s always been the main character. Who else would be? You could say that the first movie was buzz’s but even his arc was comparable to woody’s
@@yomandonteatthose Well yes but the rest of the cast still got a lot of good screen time. Now the original cast has been put to the side, and I mean _A LOT_ .
And boo
toy story 4 be like:
★☆☆☆☆
Yup. even lego movie 2, frozen 2 and secret life of pets 2 are better
"Toy Story 3 is almost 10 years old"
...What? :O
I think, for me at least, it feels right when you imagine a hypothetical alternate ending where Woody DOES stay with Bonnie. Woody maintains the same loyalty he had with Andy to Bonnie, and he spends his life bending over backwards, putting himself (and often, his fellow toys) in danger, all to make a child happy...but all for a child that simply isn't happy with him, and will through no fault of her own never know the lengths he's going for her sake. At best, a few years down the line he ends up being lost anyway. At worst, he ends up unceremoniously broken or sold or donated, because Bonnie just doesn't want to play with him.
And its not like its her fault. She doesn't know Woody's alive, and plus, she's FIVE. What kid hasn't been enamored with a new toy for a week and then never really played with it again? I didn't think the movie contradicted Toy Story 3 so much as it was a deconstruction Woody's character. He was always loyal to his kid and willing to bend the rules to do what's right by them. He had to, because he was the leader of Andy's toys. And at the end of the day, all his hard work was justified by the fact that Andy loved him, and his leadership was rewarded because Andy loved his other toys too.
But this isn't the same kid. Andy was exceptional, so of course Bonnie doesn't have the same interests in him as he did. Her toys already HAD a leader who knows how the house runs and how Bonnie thinks before Woody ever arrived. Woody's clinging to a purpose that just isn't there anymore. Staying with Bo, traveling with the carnival and helping the carnival prizes find kids IS probably the best ending he really could have. Not only is he making still kids happy, but he's also giving HIMSELF happiness too.
And I know this is a long comment already, but in a world where injustice is broadcasted to us on a daily basis, and activism is rampant, and there's just so many things that need to be fixed and done and said...I think that last point is important.
This is a great point to argue! This is why I'm not AGAINST Woody's new decision to show himself some love with freedom. But throughout all of these comments, I'm still going to argue from a writer's point of view that the turn in character development was still too sudden. It was done too quickly with just one movie. I would have been more excited to see Woody set off if A) it had taken place over events that stretched at least another movie and B) if Woody had gotten some more of his buddies to go with him, especially Buzz because that's his best friend right after Andy. Also... about kids being enamored with a toy for a week and then forgetting them... I guess most kids do that, but I don't remember doing so. I remember that if I had no real interest in a toy, I normally just put it away and never opened it in the first place. I am pretty sure I remember nearly every toy I had that I loved a lot though and the number of them goes over 30 (I was that one antisocial kid at school who was still a popular kid because the other kids loved to come over and use them for their amount of cool and popular toys, sadly)... Six of them were Woody dolls of varying sizes for a long, long time.
I think this is a very good point just. I wish they would've taught woody how to email or something the other toys so they could keep in touch ;-; thats the worst part for me. Them always wondering if Woody is okay and vice verse
Good comment, I agree.
@@CosplayCore They've put all of WWII into a single movie. War and Peace was done as a single movie. Bonnie got Woody in a box of toys. She already had favorite toys. He's a boy's toy and an old-fashioned boy's toy at that. Woody had never been Bonnie's favorite toy. They spent most of this movie showing how difficult it was for Woody to come to terms with the change of his life, and that was close to too long--it was starting to get boring before the audience was let in on the fact that the ennui was intentional.
My sentiments exactly.
_you’ve got a friend in me_
you’ve got a friend in me
YOU’VE GOT A FRIEND IN ME
*YOU’VE GOT A FRIEND IN FREAKING ME WHAT DOES TOY STORY 4 NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS*
lol
I just watched this movie and I think it gets that friends let each other go and do their own thing sometimes. Some things are bigger than being part of a group together and being friends means more than being together physically
Toy story makes a full grown adult man cries :(
The third. not this.
the fourth
one makes me cry.. In disappointment and regret
I cry at toy story 3 even the third time.
Bo Peep "A toy needs a kid like a fish needs a bicycle."
A few years later Bo Peep is eaten by cats...