Its one of the biggest debates about whether the Carpintis is called the Texas Let's have a chat about about Remember guys this is only one fishkeepers opinion
Agreed. Also for anyone curious, they are two entirely separate species. Herichthys carpintis and Herichthys cyanoguttatus (true Texas cichlid). Most of the confusion stems from the fact that the bloodlines have been muddied so badly over the years in the aquarium trade so you see tons of fish that look like intergrades. But if you see true wild caught forms of each species they are actually very different looking as you pointed out.
Cheers mate brilliant reply 💯 I was very careful what I said because it causes so much debate and believe me people get very stuck in their ways 🤣 cheers for the reply bud
"VERY DIFFERENT"😂 YA CAUSE ONE HAS BLUE SPOTS AND ONE HAS BLUEISH GREEN SPOTS. SSSOOOOOPP DIFFERENT. THEYRE THE SAME FUCKING THING. SAME TEMPERMENT SAME SIZE SAME DIET AND ALMOST THE EXACT SAME COLOR EVEN. NOBODY IS CONFUSED, OVER THESE TWO FISH. ITS LIKE SAYING A BARRED MIDAS AND A PIEBALD MIDAS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FISH....NO THEYRE NOT. DIFFERNT COLOR VARIETIES. SAME FISH. AND AS FAR AS WHERE DO YOU FIND THESE FISH EVERYWHERE THAT HAS WARM WATER. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! THEY ARE NOT SOME EXATIC RARE CONFUSED FISH. TEXAS IS AN OVER GROWN PERCH. BIG DEAL.
That is a gorgeous fish. Of the larger Central American Cichlids, the Vieja Synspilum is the most strikingly colored species I've seen, but the Carpintis is definitely up in the top 5. The Red Terror, Green Terror, and Umbee would be in there as well (not necessarily in that order). As for medium sized cichlids, the Salvini and Thoricthys Aureus are two of my favorites.
I fell in love with a pair of fish on this particular fish shop. He told me they were a Texas Pair and that's what I now have. I truly believe they were a Carpintis Pair.
Awesome video Bruv 👌 I had a Rio Hondo carpentis aswell lost him sadly a few years back growing out 3 juvenile Texas atm both species are lovely. Keep up the good work mate love the videos thanks All the way from South Africa
stunners mate my favourite fish iv got rio hondu which are nice but escondido are better think the confusion comes from america they call them all kinds even electric blue texas 🙈
Hey Paul - great job explaining the difference between the two species... Thanks for sharing and happy fish keeping my friend... I'm number 32' like :-)
Love the Texas & Carpintis, never kept a Texas before, so I’d choose the Texas to own, I like fish which are rarer or unique in anyway, & the Texas being the only Native Cichlid to N.America would be cool, Excellent vid mate 🐟👍
Absolutely stunning man, they are in my top 3 American cichlids, oscars hold the first spot and then Jack Dempseys, but since owning a carpintis I absolutely love them.
There are few different types in Herichthys Carpintis, Texas, Deppi, Tampasoensis and others so not sure which one you mean but a stunning species, I never really found Texas to be be shy thanks for watching 👍💯
Great video BFL , the cyno (true Texas) is also known as the ‘green Texas’ and is the most northern Cichlid. I normally refer to them as blue or green, but as you say they are different species.
Thank you for sharing! I've only just now become aware of the two similar species! I'm looking after my work fish who I've been told is a Texan cichlid but after watching this I believe it's actually a Carpintis!! I am looking at adopting so finding out the true breed is VERY helpful! ✌🏼🐟
@@bigfishlad4847 Super helpful!! I want to give my little work buddy a better life in a better tank. This info has me questioning whether it really is a Texas and I'll do more research as a result! I'm really glad I can figure out it's needs better based on it's true breed.
If you look them up on Google, they look to be one and the same thing. Eg. The green or blue Texas, is less aggressive, regarded as a carpintis also. Does not say it's a separate species. It's just a different type of Texas, called a different common name. Lots of plants and animals have various varieties and common names. The wild Texas is completely different, I will give you that. Which does actually look more like your picture.
You too I love your positivity I was in ICU at the beginning of the year with Covid and I took on the same attitude I also took it with the Long Covid and I am here fully recovered 6 months on so you keep staying positive my friend
In my years in keeping both, I noticed that the texas cichlids are more aggressive than carpintis. It's sad I don't see texas cichlids in lfs here in Michigan, Maybe there are an invasive species now? I miss them. Accidently, I had some cross with my Jack Dempsey cichlids and they turned out to be beautiful too. they had texas cichlid bodies, dots but Jack Dempsey colors, When I gave them to lfs, they were called " jackas" cichlids. I don't know why hybrids are frowned upon? look at flowerhorns and some parrot cichlids?
I have a 55 gallon with a juvenile wolf cichlid,juvenile green terror, full size convict , 2 smaller convicts also , OB peacock, small salvani cichlid , 2 zebra obliques ,& a jewel cichlid and wanting to throw a juvenile blue Texas in there …do I have to much ?
If it's mixed blood it's not displaying and undoubtedly texas characteristics. To thing that differ between these to similar fish. Is 1 mouth shape taxes are more pointed. And carpintis have rounder snouts . 2 is the carpintis have what's called worm pearls that look like worm holes. Texas have true pearls. Nothing just dots. If
Based on the Texas cichlids caught in Texas.. the top pic of the Texas cichlid is what’s more so caught in the wild in Texas.. I’m a bit confused as to what they are “supposed to look like” I have 3 green Texas cichlids, but they don’t look like that. Plan on catching some in the wild.
No such thing as a wild green Texas bud. There’s wild carpintis. Texas x flower horn (old fashioned green texas) now days most carpintis are hybrid with texas to give more a texas look. (Green texas is a hybrid name) the common name for carpintis is (pearlscale) but a lot of people nowadays refer to them as green texas when really there not come from same family but different species
@@bigfishlad4847 yeah im thinking maybe mine is a Carpintis if not a Texan. Like you said about the eyes, as mine is more gold than bright yellow. Friendly fish with so much confidence towards humans! Mine is tank boss and very friendly to all my juvenile community tank mates, and I wont add anything that will upset him size or type-wise, now that Ive taken such a liking to it, him/her. Lol, I dont name my fish, but Im not judging!! Hehe, mind you, "Trigger" is an even better name for a fish than it is say a cat! :)
@@paulanthonynelson2733 Hahaha yes cheers Trigger was my grand daughters idea although she is older and to cool to name fish lol Carpintis are an amazing fish mate can see why you have fallen for it
@@bigfishlad4847 aw man, you wouldnt believe it but been down to my LFS this morning, and they have a Carpintis. One. Im so tempted, but in my 170L tank i dont want to have my Texan have to defend its home, and the Carpintis was flaring up its mowhawk to me from a tank up at head hight. I think its only a fraction smaller than my Tex. What do you think should I try it I can always return it...hey check my channel I will be upkoading my fist ever bunch of videos of my aquarium tonight. You guys inspired me finnally. Im new to the hobby just got a tank last August. I have 37 fish of 10 species. Had 11 but returned the two Peacock Africans after a fortnight when i realised how batshit angry they are with their life lol.
@@paulanthonynelson2733 haha you have the bug already its great isn't it, you can try it but it's always trial and error with these Cichlids you would probably end up getting another tank lol yes Africans are off their heads lol, will sub to the channel now mate
Mate, walked into my local pet store today and saw an absolutely stunning Carpintis! Said to myself "oh look, it's Baloo" 🤣 needless to say "she" is home in my tank now. I'm pretty sure I have a female, probably a good 6 inches. Stunning fish!
Males are more likely to get a Hump on their head females are more likely to have black on their dorsal but these are not 100% method venting and when they pair off is the best way really, thanks for watching 👍
Ah right just clicked lol you have a choice mate you don't have to watch buddy nobody making you but thanks for the feedback first time I have been given this so not doing too bad then 👍
Wtf is a Carpintis cichlid? Stop making up names. Cyanoguttatus it a Texas cichlid. Carpintis is a green Texas cichlid. They're both Texas cichlids. One from Texas and one from Rio grande. Both are Texas cichlids. Nobody in the world says it's a "carpintis cichlid"
Come down to Pisces reef fish emporium iv got plenty of both in the shop. Come tell me they're not both the same. In 2023 no distinction between the fish other than color. That means nothing. They are both Texas cichlid. Just like a gold saum is ALSO STILL a green terror. It's a fucking hobby.
@@chuckieballard5771 mate its been a pleasure to be shouted at by you i would love to visit your shop but i am in the UK you keep doung what your doing and smashing it pal speak soon
Agreed. Also for anyone curious, they are two entirely separate species. Herichthys carpintis and Herichthys cyanoguttatus (true Texas cichlid). Most of the confusion stems from the fact that the bloodlines have been muddied so badly over the years in the aquarium trade so you see tons of fish that look like intergrades. But if you see true wild caught forms of each species they are actually very different looking as you pointed out.
Cheers mate brilliant reply 💯 I was very careful what I said because it causes so much debate and believe me people get very stuck in their ways 🤣 cheers for the reply bud
"VERY DIFFERENT"😂 YA CAUSE ONE HAS BLUE SPOTS AND ONE HAS BLUEISH GREEN SPOTS. SSSOOOOOPP DIFFERENT. THEYRE THE SAME FUCKING THING. SAME TEMPERMENT SAME SIZE SAME DIET AND ALMOST THE EXACT SAME COLOR EVEN. NOBODY IS CONFUSED, OVER THESE TWO FISH. ITS LIKE SAYING A BARRED MIDAS AND A PIEBALD MIDAS ARE TOTALLY DIFFERENT FISH....NO THEYRE NOT. DIFFERNT COLOR VARIETIES. SAME FISH. AND AS FAR AS WHERE DO YOU FIND THESE FISH EVERYWHERE THAT HAS WARM WATER. THEY ARE EVERYWHERE! THEY ARE NOT SOME EXATIC RARE CONFUSED FISH. TEXAS IS AN OVER GROWN PERCH. BIG DEAL.
Confusions are due to some shops selling fish but doesn’t know what they are really selling. Experienced hobbyists are more knowledgeable
Yes that is so true and it is really annoying the one that gets me is the Green Terror which is the Saum lol thanks bud
That is a gorgeous fish. Of the larger Central American Cichlids, the Vieja Synspilum is the most strikingly colored species I've seen, but the Carpintis is definitely up in the top 5. The Red Terror, Green Terror, and Umbee would be in there as well (not necessarily in that order). As for medium sized cichlids, the Salvini and Thoricthys Aureus are two of my favorites.
Yes the Vieja are amazing ain't they also love the Aureus great choices there mate also thanks for watching bud 👍
I fell in love with a pair of fish on this particular fish shop. He told me they were a Texas Pair and that's what I now have. I truly believe they were a Carpintis Pair.
Yes Carpintis get called Texas all the time bet they are stunning
Awesome video Bruv 👌 I had a Rio Hondo carpentis aswell lost him sadly a few years back growing out 3 juvenile Texas atm both species are lovely. Keep up the good work mate love the videos thanks All the way from South Africa
Thank you very much I appreciate those nice words and yes such a stunning fish.
stunners mate my favourite fish iv got rio hondu which are nice but escondido are better think the confusion comes from america they call them all kinds even electric blue texas 🙈
Love your videos brother !! Please keep them coming 💪
Thank you very much 👍
Hey Paul - great job explaining the difference between the two species... Thanks for sharing and happy fish keeping my friend... I'm number 32' like :-)
Thanks Skip means a lot that bud 👍💯
@@bigfishlad4847 You're welcome my friend:-)
They are both beautiful fish, I got 1 of each. The Carpintis has a deeper blue color for sure. Love the Trimac btw too!
Thank you and yes the Trimac is a real show off now
In my top 3 mate. Jag no1 , trimac no2 , carpintis no 3. Just my opinion, every one has their own favourite fish. Love the videos mate 👍
What a fantastic top 3 mate a man after my own heart lol
Awesome comparison mate. He is a gorgeous specimen. 👍🏼✌🏽
Thank you my mate 👍💯
So beautiful, love it Paul, you deserve that fish.he sure is number one, good job Paul. Thanks
Thanks Bruce appreciate it buddy
Love the Texas & Carpintis, never kept a Texas before, so I’d choose the Texas to own, I like fish which are rarer or unique in anyway, & the Texas being the only Native Cichlid to N.America would be cool, Excellent vid mate 🐟👍
Thanks buddy appreciate it and yes I agree and you wouldn't be disappointed
Very beautiful fishes 👍😊👍
Thank you very much 👍
Absolutely stunning man, they are in my top 3 American cichlids, oscars hold the first spot and then Jack Dempseys, but since owning a carpintis I absolutely love them.
Good choice I have a love for the JD too I used to have a pair and they were amazing they are the fish that I regret selling the most
I like more interactive species. Are Texas cichlids in general more shy? Also, what kind is the more greenish/blue variety? Thanks!
There are few different types in Herichthys Carpintis, Texas, Deppi, Tampasoensis and others so not sure which one you mean but a stunning species, I never really found Texas to be be shy thanks for watching 👍💯
Not shy at all they are tank bullies so best to be alone or a breading pair.
I’ve just rehomed my sons, Texas and I think he’s a carpintis And they’re one of the prettiest he’s an awesome fish, and I’m glad to have him✌️☹️
Very nice fish Dean I bet your happy with that cheers for watching
Great video BFL , the cyno (true Texas) is also known as the ‘green Texas’ and is the most northern Cichlid. I normally refer to them as blue or green, but as you say they are different species.
Cheers Bill like I said I will leave the in depth stuff too you lol
Nice video brother❤️
#riteshcichlidtanks
Thanks mate
Thank you for sharing! I've only just now become aware of the two similar species! I'm looking after my work fish who I've been told is a Texan cichlid but after watching this I believe it's actually a Carpintis!! I am looking at adopting so finding out the true breed is VERY helpful! ✌🏼🐟
Thanks for watching really appreciate it and glad it was helpful for you
@@bigfishlad4847 Super helpful!! I want to give my little work buddy a better life in a better tank. This info has me questioning whether it really is a Texas and I'll do more research as a result! I'm really glad I can figure out it's needs better based on it's true breed.
Good on you mate and an absolute cracking species the Carpintis as well
You have electric blue carpintis very pretty I'm growing up a juvenile at the moment
Thank you very much 👍💯
Bit like the Green terror or Gold Saum, the two are grouped together
Yes thats true bud also they call Gold Saums Green Terrors as well 🤦♂️ cheers for watching mate
If you look them up on Google, they look to be one and the same thing. Eg. The green or blue Texas, is less aggressive, regarded as a carpintis also. Does not say it's a separate species. It's just a different type of Texas, called a different common name. Lots of plants and animals have various varieties and common names. The wild Texas is completely different, I will give you that. Which does actually look more like your picture.
1 GB Flowerhorn
2 Starry night cichlid
3 Carpintis
4 Midas
5 Purple Rose Queen
Honorable mention
Red Texas
Nice list some nice hybrids in there too 👍
Stunning carpintis there like rocking horse poo ,been looking for months
Wharf get them in mate 👍
@bigfishlad4847 funny enough I'm speaking to them tomorrow ,I'll ask them
Good video .
Thanks Tommy 👍💯
@@bigfishlad4847 Thank-you have a great week.
You too I love your positivity I was in ICU at the beginning of the year with Covid and I took on the same attitude I also took it with the Long Covid and I am here fully recovered 6 months on so you keep staying positive my friend
@@bigfishlad4847 It help with all your support thank-you again.
great video on some awesome fish
Thank you very much 👍💯
Man, that Carpintis is a stunner!
Thank you very much 👍💯
In my years in keeping both, I noticed that the texas cichlids are more aggressive than carpintis. It's sad I don't see texas cichlids in lfs here in Michigan, Maybe there are an invasive species now? I miss them. Accidently, I had some cross with my Jack Dempsey cichlids and they turned out to be beautiful too. they had texas cichlid bodies, dots but Jack Dempsey colors, When I gave them to lfs, they were called " jackas" cichlids. I don't know why hybrids are frowned upon? look at flowerhorns and some parrot cichlids?
I have a 55 gallon with a juvenile wolf cichlid,juvenile green terror, full size convict , 2 smaller convicts also , OB peacock, small salvani cichlid , 2 zebra obliques ,& a jewel cichlid and wanting to throw a juvenile blue Texas in there …do I have to much ?
Yes long term that will be overstocked but if your looking to upgrade then it would be fine obviously aggression would be something to look out for
Stunning carpintis Paul I’ve kept both an really like both🙂👍🏻
Thanks Jeff yes its a hard choice but bothered stunners
I’ve just subscribed to your channel. Turns out I brought a carpintis cichlid not a Texas
Hey thanks for the sub appreciate it I actually prefer the Carpintis
A Carpantis cichlid is an Electric blue Texas cichlid.
Think you could keep one with Severus in a 180 gallon?
Its trial and error with these isn't it it can go either way I have seen it work and seen carnage but the key is room and a 180 is a decent sized tank
If it's mixed blood it's not displaying and undoubtedly texas characteristics. To thing that differ between these to similar fish. Is 1 mouth shape taxes are more pointed. And carpintis have rounder snouts . 2 is the carpintis have what's called worm pearls that look like worm holes.
Texas have true pearls. Nothing just dots.
If
Cheers for the input dude appreciate it 💯
Is trigger a trimac?
Yes mate he is 👍
Based on the Texas cichlids caught in Texas.. the top pic of the Texas cichlid is what’s more so caught in the wild in Texas.. I’m a bit confused as to what they are “supposed to look like” I have 3 green Texas cichlids, but they don’t look like that. Plan on catching some in the wild.
Thanks for watching and yes its an age old debate this one
No such thing as a wild green Texas bud. There’s wild carpintis. Texas x flower horn (old fashioned green texas) now days most carpintis are hybrid with texas to give more a texas look. (Green texas is a hybrid name) the common name for carpintis is (pearlscale) but a lot of people nowadays refer to them as green texas when really there not come from same family but different species
Tough choice…. I’ll take both ? 🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now you have me wondering if mine is a Texan or not...I think its stunning
What do you reckon its is then bud? Cheers for watching 👍
@@bigfishlad4847 yeah im thinking maybe mine is a Carpintis if not a Texan. Like you said about the eyes, as mine is more gold than bright yellow. Friendly fish with so much confidence towards humans! Mine is tank boss and very friendly to all my juvenile community tank mates, and I wont add anything that will upset him size or type-wise, now that Ive taken such a liking to it, him/her.
Lol, I dont name my fish, but Im not judging!! Hehe, mind you, "Trigger" is an even better name for a fish than it is say a cat! :)
@@paulanthonynelson2733 Hahaha yes cheers Trigger was my grand daughters idea although she is older and to cool to name fish lol Carpintis are an amazing fish mate can see why you have fallen for it
@@bigfishlad4847 aw man, you wouldnt believe it but been down to my LFS this morning, and they have a Carpintis. One. Im so tempted, but in my 170L tank i dont want to have my Texan have to defend its home, and the Carpintis was flaring up its mowhawk to me from a tank up at head hight. I think its only a fraction smaller than my Tex. What do you think should I try it I can always return it...hey check my channel I will be upkoading my fist ever bunch of videos of my aquarium tonight. You guys inspired me finnally. Im new to the hobby just got a tank last August.
I have 37 fish of 10 species. Had 11 but returned the two Peacock Africans after a fortnight when i realised how batshit angry they are with their life lol.
@@paulanthonynelson2733 haha you have the bug already its great isn't it, you can try it but it's always trial and error with these Cichlids you would probably end up getting another tank lol yes Africans are off their heads lol, will sub to the channel now mate
Mate, walked into my local pet store today and saw an absolutely stunning Carpintis! Said to myself "oh look, it's Baloo" 🤣 needless to say "she" is home in my tank now. I'm pretty sure I have a female, probably a good 6 inches. Stunning fish!
🤣🤣🤣 I love that mate 👌 bet she is a beauty
San Antonio river you can catch them all day 12 inches with huge humps
I would love that need to come and do it one day cheers bud
@@bigfishlad4847 you will want to stay if you did come to Texas when you do look me up
@@natenewsome5470 yes I would mate lol I would love to move over there and yes I would deffo need to hook up
Much prettier than a Texas
Yes I agree with you there mate
I now know the two fish I brought home today are not Texan haha. I'll go tell my local shop
Loads of shops sell Carpintis as Texas it's massive in the hobby mate
Hi. How to know the sex of Carpintis?
Males are more likely to get a Hump on their head females are more likely to have black on their dorsal but these are not 100% method venting and when they pair off is the best way really, thanks for watching 👍
@@bigfishlad4847 Thx 🙂
J effin C 4 minutes before you even get to the question have some respect for people's time. At least there's some good info in the comments.
Ah right just clicked lol you have a choice mate you don't have to watch buddy nobody making you but thanks for the feedback first time I have been given this so not doing too bad then 👍
Wtf is a Carpintis cichlid? Stop making up names. Cyanoguttatus it a Texas cichlid. Carpintis is a green Texas cichlid. They're both Texas cichlids. One from Texas and one from Rio grande. Both are Texas cichlids. Nobody in the world says it's a "carpintis cichlid"
Mate your wrong maybe go and do a bit more research before you come at me like that 👍
Come down to Pisces reef fish emporium iv got plenty of both in the shop. Come tell me they're not both the same. In 2023 no distinction between the fish other than color. That means nothing. They are both Texas cichlid. Just like a gold saum is ALSO STILL a green terror. It's a fucking hobby.
@@chuckieballard5771 if its just a hobby calm down lol a lot of reclassification as happened in the hobby as well
@@bigfishlad4847 uh no shit....?
@@chuckieballard5771 mate its been a pleasure to be shouted at by you i would love to visit your shop but i am in the UK you keep doung what your doing and smashing it pal speak soon