BMW N47 / BMW N57 Reliability | Can These Engines Be Reliable?

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  • @wimmottoul917
    @wimmottoul917 4 года назад +8

    Had an E92 full Mpack automatic 320d for 2 years. Bought from first owner who did an amazing job on maintenance. Did maintenance interval myself every 10k km's. Filters and quality oil. Did a remapping giving it approx 200bhp. Drove the absolute sh*'t out of it day after day. But!! Easy driving when engine was cold, gave it time to warm up and after hooning always let it run for a while before turning off. Because of the weight of the car I was not so much impressed by the performance, but it was an amazing quality built car with lots of 'souplesse' and also I liked the automatic gearbox! Never had any issues what so ever! Maintenance is key!!!
    Edit: forgot to mention, bought the car from first owner at 120.000km. Sold it at 180.000km so drove 30.000km per year...

  • @ivanstamenkovic4160
    @ivanstamenkovic4160 4 года назад +11

    Finally some good words for N47, keep going mate!

  • @1petulko
    @1petulko 4 года назад +1

    I have 2014 f30 335d for last 4 years without any issues whatsoever. Had egr cooler replaced under warranty as a recall, I change engine oil every 10k km and at 100k I changed gearbox oil. Couldn't be happier with the car.

  • @clappertonndivhuwo7338
    @clappertonndivhuwo7338 3 года назад +2

    The tensioner guide is held against the chain by the piston of the chain tensioner. The oil in the chain tensioner provides directional damping by virtue of a non-return valve. In conjunction with hydraulic chain tensioners and tensioning rails with plastic anti-friction covering, the chain drive remains maintenance-free throughout the entire service life of the engine.

  • @cosminpetre7259
    @cosminpetre7259 4 года назад +2

    very informative George! ive brought a 320d n47 with 80.000 miles not long ago and I have changed mostly everything you've mentioned in here. The only common issue with these engines worth mentioning is the oil filter case and oil cooler gaskets ,

  • @Axu_02
    @Axu_02 4 года назад +8

    280 000km now and the whole car is running totally fine. There has been no faults at all. Oil changes done by last owner in 30 000km intervalls but I've done once after 15 000km and I'm going to keep it.

    • @JesusFR23
      @JesusFR23 27 дней назад

      What engine? With how many km did you buy it? Do you still have the stock chain? And the Rod bearings?

    • @Axu_02
      @Axu_02 27 дней назад +1

      @@JesusFR23 bought with 268 000km, now I have 360 000km. Everything is stock, even turbo. N47D20C

  • @steveunderwood2678
    @steveunderwood2678 4 года назад +3

    Loving the videos pal. I do have a case for you though. I have a 2010 318d with the N47 engine. I bought this just 3 weeks ago and I can tell you, I am really not happy. Everything seemed fine at first, and then the problems started just over a week ago. First I got an error telling me that I had reduced power. I researched why and the outcome was to do an oil change with an engine flush and replace the air filter. Back to normal for a few days. Then, last Saturday morning it wouldn't start. After ten or so tries, it started and then died after about 5 seconds. RAC has been out and gave a few ideas, EGR, DPF etc. had a code reader on and it said the egr was stuck fully open. stripped it down with the cooler off. Started to see that the inlet and everything were just clogged up to death. Egr cooler cleaned and after a soak on the egr itself, the valve was stuck open so got a new one from Lloyds. £200 later and new EGR fitted and cooler back on, filled the coolant up, inlet all off for a manual clean, all put back together but still no joy. DPF off, still no joy. went back to the drawing board and found a thread on bimmer forum suggesting Camshaft Sensor or possible Crankshaft sensor. Now, replaced the Camshaft sensor and we have a running car. It wouldn't rev above 15000 but it would idle and stay running. Changed the fuel filter, as again, this was put on a suggested list. Booked a carbon clean and when the guy turned up, we pushed the car outside and bang, back to square one. The bloody thing won't stay running again, starts and then cuts out after 5 seconds. I have a new crankshaft sensor but as you know its a swine to get to and the tiny Allen key bolt is almost rounded. Gave up and left it sitting in my unit for another day when I can come up with more suggestions. PLEASE HELP, I'm going insane

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      Get EGR and DPF deleted👍🏻 they cause 80-90% of problems on this engine.

    • @88CBAUGH
      @88CBAUGH 2 года назад

      How did you make out Steve?

    • @bathanmark
      @bathanmark Год назад

      How did it go Steve?

    • @litalitvinaite
      @litalitvinaite 7 месяцев назад

      Did you sorted? Can it be pcv valve?

  • @matthawkins6875
    @matthawkins6875 4 года назад +10

    Regular oil change and ‘spirited use’ to keep dpf happy and its all good. The old M47 would eat its turbo and swirl flaps for fun. Good experiences don’t get posted on forums. There’s literally millions happily clattering along UK roads

  • @simonh870
    @simonh870 4 года назад +1

    My previous car was a well looked after N47, and now i have a well looked after N57. No issues so far... The N57 does seem to have a better reputation when it comes to cam chain life despite the layout being basically the same. Part of that IMO is the larger oil capacity, which may offset the effect of the too long service intervals.

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +2

      The N57 is the same as the later N47D20C engine which has much less timing chain failures

    • @simonh870
      @simonh870 4 года назад

      I think the sprockets are different to the N47 engines as well. I read somewhere that the crank sprocket teeth were a factor in earlier N47 engine chain failures.

  • @JesusFR23
    @JesusFR23 27 дней назад +1

    What do you think of the bearings in the n57?

  • @kDotxGUCCi
    @kDotxGUCCi 4 года назад +3

    Got 177000 miles on 2008 n47 still running good every day just had a boost leak for about a year 😂

  • @herrbrahms
    @herrbrahms 4 года назад +4

    In my opinion, the oil change interval has mostly to do with how you drive the car, and secondarily with the quality of the oil.
    I make a point to never cold start the car unless I'm committed to getting the oil up to operating temperature. I also drive a few hundred miles with some regularity, as a diesel should be driven.
    That, along with a quality Liqui Moly full synthetic 5W-30, enables me to change the oil every 10,000 miles without much worry. When the oil comes out of the drain plug, it doesn't appear much changed from how it looked going in.
    In my estimation, the key to keeping these engines healthy is to remember that they are diesels and that it is up to you to get them hot enough. If you're just going a few miles, it's better to have a second car running on gasoline/petrol that won't be as slow to heat up. Keep the diesel for longer trips.

  • @Xfacehack
    @Xfacehack 4 года назад +2

    Im soon hitting 300 000km with my tuned (300hp/620nm) manual 330d 2009 lci with n57 engine. Only done oil changes and changed the glowplugs. I have not removed the egr or dpf

  • @mikegalvin4655
    @mikegalvin4655 6 дней назад +1

    Hi George I have a n47 touring I purchase new th dealer had replace the egr valve also they will replace one or more fuel injection am up to 185k so far no issues what should I do in the future

  • @jimtaylor431
    @jimtaylor431 4 года назад +3

    Even having had the timing chain done on my E61, I still keep expecting it to go ping some day.... I guess all the horror stories are hard to get over!

  • @davidbarker1873
    @davidbarker1873 2 года назад +1

    Thank u mate . I went got a 2013 hoping they prob be great cars . But I had it week and I've never had a crap looking dash . And interer. I went b to garage got my n47 2009 sport highline back . Had service am going keep it . Interer is like limo

  • @MegaRockyk
    @MegaRockyk 4 года назад +2

    Keep up the great work 👍 👏

  • @dgr9112
    @dgr9112 4 года назад +1

    Love yours videos always quality made and explained
    Thx you 🤝👍🏻💪🏻

  • @ambroz2779
    @ambroz2779 3 года назад +1

    Agree with you, about changing motor oil.. BMW make mistake with long intervals for service(oil). I own X1 E84 4/2012 XDrive 18d, 105KW/143HP with N47D20C engine. I bought car from first owner, already change chain (at 95k). Before-car was serviced on official BMW service-because warranty.. 1owner changed oil every 25k, once also 30k. Now i change motor oil every 8k, or less/do my self. Because COVID time, do short distances-oil have to be changed more often-engine will say thank you to do this.. Experience with MANNOL oil? Thanks for your time to do all those videos..

  • @leiflillandt1488
    @leiflillandt1488 4 года назад +1

    A year ago I bought an x3 -08/lci with 194000 km. Now I have some 205000 km, so if I drive 10000 km a year I can drive cheaply the next ten years! 😁
    Exactly what I expected... 😍

  • @M4kind
    @M4kind 4 года назад +3

    You may have forgotten, the cracking of the crankshaft itself, Rod bearings or how are they called in English, the problematic fuel pump which fails and after it's failure you'll have to replace the whole fuel system :)

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +2

      Rod bearings will wear on any engine if you abuse it and don’t change oil regularly

    • @simonh870
      @simonh870 4 года назад

      The crank issues may be partly caused by modern low viscosity, low HTHS oils. They are far better for fuel economy than they are for engine protection. Add to that some diesel pollution which is always going to happen and some hard driving thrown in on top for good measure...

  • @paulelliott6488
    @paulelliott6488 4 года назад +2

    Oooh, must look out for Black Death... there was some soot on the top when I removed the sound damping... Thanks again.

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +1

      Yep not uncommon once you reach higher miles👍🏻

  • @johngallagher909
    @johngallagher909 4 года назад +2

    Very informative 👍. I have a 2010 316d with 216,000 miles on original timing chain. Would you think the lower bhp models put less strain on the chain and therefore are less likely to fail?

    • @kirwanjohn101
      @kirwanjohn101 4 года назад +3

      I have the same model as you but needed to change the chain at 150k miles. It was just starting to noise very slightly at cold startup. I've changed the oil and filters every 10k mikes and bought the car second hand. Previous to me was only one owner with full BMW service history. I'd recommend changing it now. It will not last forever. If you plan on keeping the car change it, if not sell it on straight away. They are are lovely and reliable car to drive.

    • @theoutsider6191
      @theoutsider6191 2 года назад +1

      I also have 320d n47 with over 200k on the original chain. Not done any of the work George mentions here so everything is original in the engine. Just done every oil and filter as directed and nothing else. Got the car in 2013 with 70k on it. What a bargain and what a car. Going to do the serpentine belt system soon though cause the original belt is cracking a bit now.

  • @eloelcameron
    @eloelcameron 4 года назад +2

    Would you recommend an egr delete/blank? Anything to worry about?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +3

      I have a whole video doing it👍🏻

    • @eloelcameron
      @eloelcameron 4 года назад

      @@richardsalkeld4421 will that need mapping/coding out?

  • @joakimlinde5236
    @joakimlinde5236 4 года назад +1

    Happy owner of a n57 with 240'000km on the clock, love the engine :D
    I thought the n57 engine was spared from the timing chain issue? you made me worried...

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      Plenty have had failed timing chains but it mostly comes down to lack of oil changes again

    • @joakimlinde5236
      @joakimlinde5236 4 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters Interesting! So the added resistance in the engine due to old oil is what makes the timing chain stretch over time?

    • @joakimlinde5236
      @joakimlinde5236 4 года назад

      No worries, found this link that explaines why some n47s get timing chain issue. My guess is that the n57 has a larger oil capacity but the same service intervalls leading to this issue beeing far less common. interesting reading for sure. alderleyautos.co.uk/blog/bmw-n47-myth/

  • @urbanarmwrestling3764
    @urbanarmwrestling3764 3 года назад +1

    I have a 1series 20D N47 and heard a noise in engine thought it was timing chain but got told by the garage it’s dpf and swirl flap issues. What would u recommend mate get rid of a cheaper option if u know of ?

  • @kartaroundtheworld
    @kartaroundtheworld 4 года назад +5

    If you have an unlimited bank account the N47 is pretty reliable. You just need to completely overhaul your engine every 12 months. So it will be pretty reliable

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +2

      Nope, just overhaul it once when you buy it and be done👍🏻

  • @zukimik
    @zukimik 3 года назад +1

    BMW 535 XD GT 2014 with 235.000 km, fatal engine failure on the crankshaft bearing, engine completely destroyed, 5k euros in reparations. I have this BMW from the beginning and all services made in time, oil & filters changed since 0 km up until today at no more than 10.000 km and still failed catastrophically, and this not the first one hear about, I have friends who also have their engines blown up at similar KM range: 230 to 260 thousand kilometers.

  • @tomasa6343
    @tomasa6343 9 месяцев назад +1

    where did you buy reinforced intake manifold?

  • @paullockwood7219
    @paullockwood7219 4 года назад +1

    Thanks George. Star man.

  • @sunrisecalling
    @sunrisecalling 4 года назад +2

    My 2013 f30 330d have too high oil pressure, smoke from oil cap and dipstick hole. Issue started when I put downpipe. Car burning oil which was not an issue before downpipe installed. Car just fitted with reconditioned turbo and have flaps and egr deleted. What the issue could be?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +1

      Have you checked your oil level?

    • @sunrisecalling
      @sunrisecalling 4 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters taking around half liter of oil for every 100km

  • @beamere90fan
    @beamere90fan Год назад +1

    Is it a different belt kit if you have hydraulic power steering? Mine is 2011 184bhp 320d

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  Год назад +1

      There are 2 or 3 different variations in belts

  • @davidrussellwilks
    @davidrussellwilks 4 года назад +2

    Oil is cheap, engines are expensive, great advice

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      🙌🏼

    • @davidrussellwilks
      @davidrussellwilks 4 года назад +1

      @@GeorgeAusters Thanks George, I bought a 535D a few months ago. Just going through the service/maintenance items now. I'll be changing the engine oil every year in this car

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      Good stuff.. If you keep on top of things it will last you forever!

  • @MG-ng8cv
    @MG-ng8cv Год назад +2

    Reliable? N57? What about the rod bearings?

  • @garethb7741
    @garethb7741 2 года назад +1

    Howlong should you warm a bmw up b4 as you say stepping on the gas??????????

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  2 года назад

      About 2 seconds while oil pressure builds up

  • @ajsstuff193
    @ajsstuff193 4 года назад +2

    My steering wheel has a whining noise coming from it when I turn left and right and only does it periodically. Some times loud some times quiet, any idea what it is? It’s a E92 320d M-sports 2012

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      Need to do a PAS fluid flush: ruclips.net/video/OqpNmDur9Vg/видео.html

  • @andreilacatus1157
    @andreilacatus1157 3 года назад

    Hi george I own a bmw 520d 2010 f10 with 8 speed auto 184bhp . I've owned for nearly 2 and a half years . And always serviced in time but chain never . And has nearly 290k kms but no chain noise what would u say . Please give me some advice man 🤣

  • @andyhunt457
    @andyhunt457 4 года назад +2

    Had a N47 for 5 years 80k miles.No problems up to 120k.Then disaster!!!!! Some idiot drove into the side of it and wrote the thing off.Drive a VAG product now.But I would have kept it otherwise was great.

  • @eugencristea1585
    @eugencristea1585 2 года назад +1

    I was also looking to remove the EGR system on my 57 and install blanks but I don’t know how to re-code the ECU. I understand it will generate a fault msg and also may go in limp mode.

  • @grahamcartwright5141
    @grahamcartwright5141 4 года назад +1

    Very solid advice as usual George.

  • @GM66MCK
    @GM66MCK 4 года назад +2

    What about Vanos Solenoids do you recommend changing?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +1

      Watch my video on them: ruclips.net/video/7GLd4GryYBo/видео.html

    • @GM66MCK
      @GM66MCK 4 года назад +1

      Much appreciated George great content as always 👍🏻 do you know where they're located on the N47

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +2

      @@GM66MCK diesels dont have Vanos, they have turbos :)

  • @suskis112
    @suskis112 3 года назад +1

    What oil should i use?

    • @Luton-Mick
      @Luton-Mick 2 года назад

      Olive oil, extra virgin if you're feeling flush 👍

  • @habakanaba
    @habakanaba 2 года назад +1

    If I remove egr system, are there any changes I need to make to the vehicle software?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  2 года назад +1

      Needs to be mapped out

    • @habakanaba
      @habakanaba 2 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters thanks for the reply George. I'm considering purchasing a 2007 e91 from a friend, it has done about 230 000kms but still runs very well. So I've been watching all of our videos as research. . . . .thanks for all the info. I'm from South Africa by the way👍🏻

  • @djstexification
    @djstexification 4 года назад +2

    Just delete Dpf and Egr by softwer.Should I use 5w40 oil instead 5w30 on my F30?

    • @liamtree1250
      @liamtree1250 4 года назад +1

      then fail mot

    • @djstexification
      @djstexification 4 года назад

      @@liamtree1250 Off by softwer

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +2

      5w30 LL04

    • @martincook2908
      @martincook2908 4 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters I have the N57 the BMW Indy I use puts 0w 30 oil in the car, Im at 96000 miles you think that's OK in your opinion?

  • @VirtusRacing
    @VirtusRacing 4 года назад +1

    Are you planning on adding a catch can?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      Not unless there is a factory fitting one👍🏻

    • @VirtusRacing
      @VirtusRacing 4 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters Made a catch can for my 123d last weekend, used the stock breather pipe with some fittings to a catch can. Think its worth looking at cause the oil its caught already on my 80xxx mile one is noticeable, would only help keep the intake clean.

  • @Aldik1980
    @Aldik1980 2 года назад +1

    Thanks and ses you

  • @stevewatson2131
    @stevewatson2131 2 года назад +2

    A timing chain should last the lifetime of the vehicle. It should never need servicing or replacement

    • @PK-sg1po
      @PK-sg1po 2 года назад +1

      I totally agree, especially on a premium car like a bmw or benz. The newer b57 is apparently really reliable, the chain, injectors and turbos have been revised so there are pretty much no known issues on it. Its actually really torquey and quick on a 630d gt, 0-100 in 5.6s with launch control and 6.6/100km consumption.

    • @theoutsider6191
      @theoutsider6191 2 года назад

      What is the lifetime of the vehicle though? My engine is all still original parts in my n47 320d and the car's done 210k miles now on pretty much nothing other than oil and filter services. Great car. Will be sad when I does die as it's been unbelievable value for money. Bought it in 2013 with 70k on it. Got bmw to do full inspection 2 service at that point and away it went for another 140k miles. Excellent machine.

  • @stevelake9333
    @stevelake9333 3 года назад +1

    How do I find out which N47 engine I have out of the 16 and 20 ?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  3 года назад

      Which model do you have?

    • @stevelake9333
      @stevelake9333 3 года назад +1

      @@GeorgeAusters 318d e91 touring business edition (2010)

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  3 года назад

      Yours is the 2L

    • @stevelake9333
      @stevelake9333 3 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters yes it is

    • @stevelake9333
      @stevelake9333 3 года назад

      In one of your videos you talked about reliability of the N47 engine but you mention two different ones N47 something 16 and a 20 , I think its the 20 that you said was the better but I'm not sure which mine is of the two

  • @StFlp
    @StFlp 3 года назад +1

    Hi, can anyone tell me what is the differnce between n47d20a and n47d20c?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  3 года назад +1

      N47D20C is 2010 onwards with the 184bhp engine

    • @StFlp
      @StFlp 3 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters Thanks George! Couole days ago I found out that on my 2008 e90 320d the engine is changed from n47d20a to n47d20c but some people are saying that n47d20c is 105kw so I'm confused a lot.

  • @Kammare86
    @Kammare86 4 года назад +1

    Where can i get the boost pipe?

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +1

      www.fixparts-online.com/en/bmw-charge-air-line-11617803748.html

    • @Kammare86
      @Kammare86 4 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters thanks

  • @MrBusterduke
    @MrBusterduke 4 года назад +1

    I do my m47 oil and filters every 6 thou and its sweet as a nut and shes at 147 thou now 16 year old good old bus

  • @liamtree1250
    @liamtree1250 4 года назад +4

    dont put the n57 in this video its no where near as unreliable as n47

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +2

      They are the same engine

    • @DavidJones-jp5lg
      @DavidJones-jp5lg 4 года назад +1

      @@GeorgeAusters you really need to go and educate yourself on the N57 if you think that's simply the case

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад +3

      @@DavidJones-jp5lg Tell me the bare engine differences

    • @jackthompson265
      @jackthompson265 4 года назад

      The N47 and 547 both have the same timing chain dip shits the N57 has the exact same timing chain issue you just don’t hear about it as much because less 3.0s were sold

    • @liamtree1250
      @liamtree1250 4 года назад

      @@jackthompson265 actually the timing kit isnt exactly the same for the on n47 as the n57 engines

  • @chazzftw9313
    @chazzftw9313 4 года назад +2

    I nearly fell asleep

  • @Hans-gj3vk
    @Hans-gj3vk 3 года назад +1

    What a terrible engine. Replace this and that... Wow! I have a BMW, but my Honda never had this kind of problems.

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  3 года назад

      Does your diesel honda have as much power and as good efficiency as this engine?

    • @Hans-gj3vk
      @Hans-gj3vk 3 года назад

      ​@@GeorgeAusters If you put it in perspective, maybe. :-)
      My previous Honda was definitely not that powerful. But for a car of more than 100K euro's, there are strange designs decisions like a timing belt at the back of the motor and that kind of stuff. Changing oil after 5K? You cannot say that this is good or normal. ;-)

  • @shak6992
    @shak6992 Год назад +1

    Poor design simple as that, we do not need to make excuses for BMW,, Stick with M47 M57, all the N series , are terrible .
    You may have a lucky ine fir now wait and see.

  • @TheBartxxxl
    @TheBartxxxl 4 года назад +3

    Removing the swirl flaps won't give you less torque or worse mpg. You have to reset all adaptation values. For example the 18d models have the exact intake manifold just without the swirl flaps and they have quite the same mpg driving below 2000rpm as the 20d with removed swirl flaps

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      It will, tried and tested 👍🏻

    • @GeorgeAusters
      @GeorgeAusters  4 года назад

      It will, tried and tested 👍🏻

    • @cribsone
      @cribsone 4 года назад

      @@GeorgeAusters Did you dyno the car with and without the swirl flaps?