I swear to God anyone coming in with some dumbass ignorant ass missing the point ass "ummm actually Pursuit isn't the ONLY way to deal with Psychics and Ghosts 😂" ass nonsense will feel my wrath
Honestly, in the current generations (aside from Lele) with how powerful and common the Dark, Ghost and Steel types have been getting I didn't think Psychic isn't even THAT good of a type unless you remove those. I genuinely think Ghost is much better type than Psychic in pretty much every way and Psychic Terrain is not saving Psychic types (exclusively Singles). Ghosts are better offensively and defensively but Ghost is stupidly broken. Who thought only having Dark resist Ghost was a good idea. It feels like there's soo many Psychic punishes around every corner at least in the current generations. Hell people wanted to drop Solgaleo into OU. Kingambit, Gholdengo, Roaring Moon, Meowscarada are such huge roadblocks. Triple dark is such a good strategy in OU right now. Maybe I'm just trippin though.
I don't think Psychic is actually a particularly strong type, I just think Game Freak loves making busted Pokémon Psychic-types. Consider dual Psychic-types such as Starmie and Latios. It's not at all uncommon for them to forgo Psychic coverage entirely; unless they're willing to give up coverage or utility for Psyshock in later generations, Psychic is, most of the time, a "neutral coverage" option that doesn't actually have particularly good neutral coverage. Sure, Latios likes it in gen 6 and onwards to hit Fairy-types, but it would still rather be, like, a Dragon-Fire type or Dragon-Poison type than a Dragon-Psychic type. More often than not, being a Psychic-type is a defensive liability; the Pursuit weakness is crippling, and after Pursuit was removed, being weak to Sucker Punch, Knock Off, and U-Turn still sucks. For these terrible weaknesses, all you get in return is a Fighting resistance, which is obviously good but rarely makes up for its flaws. Additionally, the lack of resistances can make it a lot harder for mono-Psychic types to find good switch-in opportunities. Lots of Psychic-types feel like their Psychic typing is what keeps them in check, not what makes them broken. Imagine mono-Water Starmie, or mono-Dragon or Dragon-SomeOtherType Lati twins. Hell, imagine if Alakazam was a Water-type or a Fairy-type. Psychic-Types are not good because they are Psychic-types; they are good because they tend to have disgusting SpA and Spe stats with great coverage, boosting moves, reliable recovery, and powerful disruption tools like Trick, Encore, Thunder Wave, etc. Gen 8+ Ghost, on the other hand, is busted, and more or less a better Psychic-type. That nice Fighting resistance becomes a Fighting (and Normal) immunity, letting even the frailest attackers come in for free and blocking common priority moves. The U-Turn weakness becomes a resistance, further improving Ghost-types' opportunities to make progress. The "neutral coverage" that gets resisted by half the opponent's team suddenly becomes a lot better when it hits Steel-types neutrally, and becomes gamebreaking when you consider that the 2 types that resist Ghost get destroyed by Focus Blast. And despite this, the best Ghost-types still have all the offensive stats and distruption tools that Psychic-types possess, while being able to come in easily with their stellar defensive profiles and instantly threaten basically every Pokémon on the enemy team. This was previously """""balanced out""""" by Pursuit, but without Pursuit it becomes apparent that the typing is pretty stupid.
Big agree, Psychic-type mons get nasty abilities, movepools, and stat distributions a lot of the time that make them insane. Making a mon dual-type with Psychic (or God forbid changing them to mono-Psychic!) is usually a major disadvantage on paper and in practice.
Very true, I think about stuff like gen 5 OU psyspam which is so good not because the psychic type is overpowered (unlike Dragmag which is good because of how strong Dragon is), but rather because Latios is the best mon in the tier and Reuniclus and Alakazam both get Magic Guard to get around the huge amount of passive damage that they can just ignore. Like BKC said, the only reason they're not busted is because half the teams in OU have a built in Psychic check in PursuitTar
Very well put! Nowadays ghost feels like the best offensive type in the game, even over Fairy. Fairy has better coverage yeah, but there’s so much less in the meta that can resist a shadow ball than a moonblast. Ghost is just so spammable in a post pursuit removable era
Ghost rapidly creeped into Psychic's realm of "bunch of things with extremely stupid stat distribution/ability/moves" with the addition of Dragapult, Spectrier/Calyrex-S, Gholdengo, Basculegion, Skeledirge, Houndstone, Flutter Mane... Kinda like Dragon was during gens 4 and 5.
I agree, I think psychic as a type has gotten weaker and weaker as time goes on. Darks being immune + being weak to U-turn, knock and Sucker Punch are huge problems for the type. Ghost has the same issues with dark types but makes up for it with two incredible immunities and being the most spammable type offensively.
I agree with Ghost but Psychic really isn't that great of a type. It just happens to be given to great Pokemon. With Ghost and Dark being as free as they are to spam , Psychic is definitely hampered in these later generations. There are only 3 psychics ranked in the S/A tiers in SV and they're Slowking-G, Deoxys-S, and Hatterene. Deoxys-S's viability has nothing to do with its Psychic typing. Meanwhile, the top two mons are Ghost/Dark spammers and the most common typing among the S/A Pokemon is Dark. This video really should've been about Ghost and Dark. They feel like the most free types to spam by a mile.
I feel like Psychic is still not a great typing. Take away Latios, the Magic Guard mons, and Lele in the later gens, it'd probably be alot more manageable strictly on typing. Dark and Ghost are so much better due to lack of resistances
@@bradleynorton1925 my dragapult can never come in because every pokemon knows knock off and ohkos. This has contributed to my 1005 ELO on pokemon showdown. We should buff ghost types ngl
It always comes back to #BugRights in the end. if Bug's resisted ghost and psychic everything would be perfect and there would be no problems with any metagames ever.
Bug should resist Fairy. I'd say it should be super effective against Fighting (IRL humans are countered by swarms of insects) but that'd nerf the Fighting type too much. I mean a Bug weakness isn't much but it could tip the scales.
I dont think physic type is the problem. Its just that they legendarys with high stats. If you made latias and latios just dragon types they're still going to be good. The slowtwins are good because they have slack off regenerator and teleport. If they lost their physic typing theyll still be good. Ghost typing was always broken inherently and it's only gotten better. Its neutral to all but one usable type. The one thing holding it back in the older gens is the pokemon sucked stat wise. Spectrier shows this off the best. That mon is in ubers in ss for being to offensive when it had one attacking move. How many other types could it have been and still be banished.
psychic types are very much a threat in lower tiers where you have more limited access to viable steel types. Iron Crown, Metagross, Latios, Indeedee, and Slowking are all viable threats in UU. Some would argue indeedee is doodoo though, moreso used for what it enables.
It's kinda crazy that all it took was the removal of Pursuit to showcase how dumb Ghost types are. They have immunity to common priority, trapping immunity, often get Willow to screw over Dark and Normal(both types skew Physical). Best offensive type in Singles for sure.
Same way all it took was boots to reveal how absurd rocks weak pokemon could be. There’s always a question of “what balances the meta game” and pursuit seems like such a bandaid and so does hazards
@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Switching is one of the most powerful moves in Pokemon, especially with Pivot moves. Without punishing it, you can get really long games or have offensive/fat stuff keep switching in for free.
@@Cliff86 Ice as a type is fine, especially with the snow rework. Really, Ice types just need to play to their strengths of fast wallbreakers/sweepers instead of slow spdef tanks
@@theimpersonator7086 i do think they can make bulky ices work now that they introduced broken abilities like Purifying Salt and Good as Gold Mons like Avalug don't stand a chance when all they have is sturdy
@@theimpersonator7086 unfortunately, Game Freak keeps making Ice-types that are not fast beatsticks. They also make Ice-types that anyone with any interest in singles or VGC knows simply will never work: Cetitan, Avalugg/H (what a waste of a Hisuian form btw), Frosmoth, Aurorus, solo Glastrier to some extent... These are just in the 3D era. It's well-understood, too, that Pokemon like Glaceon, Glalie, Vanilluxe, Beartic, Cryogonal, Regice -- mono ice-types with niche (at best) applications -- are really let down by their awful mono-Ice typing. Some of those Pokemon actually even have stat distributions that can function, especially because they're helped out by an ability. For example, no one is using Beartic even with the Defense boost and Slush Rush boost with its actually great 130 Attack because mono-Ice typing is just *that* dreadful; compare to Mamoswine, even Piloswine.
I don't know how much it is the types vs specific mons. Dragapult and Spectrier's Speed tiers are stupid. Aegislash was it's own unique thing. The biggest problem Psychics have incredible minnaxed stats and abilities for the time. Tapu Lele hits like a truck before the Psychic Terrain boost. The less said about Magic Guard Psychics the better. I do think ridding most of them of Trick like with the Toxic distribution nerf would help a lot. Like, Hypno and Mr. Mime aren't problematic with Trick but there's no reason Lele should 50/50 nuke or cripple your Chansey based on whether it Tricks or not. Gengar losing Levitate already brought it back down to earth, it can keep Trick. I agree Wisp is annoying on Ghosts but I think it's a fundamental part of how they play now and added much more depth since Gen 3. Remove Wisp from Ghosts and the only common Burn option becomes Fire, and that's problematic if you want to burn a Gyarados or Hippo etc.
As far as ghost types, I still think the best way to keep them in check would be to improve the normal type. If mons like Snorlax Regigas and slaking were OU viable, ghost would be less likely to spam their stab. As it is, blissey is pretty much the only OU viable normal these days and it can’t really touch ghost itself
Maybe I'm being dumb, but when you mentioned DPP starmie/latias: wouldn't they be better if they weren't part psychic? Surely they suffer more from bug/dark/ghost weaknesses than they gain from resisting fighting /psychic? It really doesn't seem to me that the psychic typing is what makes them difficult to deal with.
Psychics can be fine with Pursuit in the game, look at Gen 5 and the strength of Psyspam Sand Spikes. Really, the issue is without Pursuit, Ghosts are just busted since their STAB is spamable and they have Willow and Taunt for Bulky Darks and Normal types.
Funnily enough, while Pursuit obviously creates huge limitations on the majority of Psychics, its presence can be a buff to and great pairing with physically bulky Psychics. Ghost spam becomes a lot more risky with Pursuit and obviously if you happen to remove the opponent's Ghost your bulky Psychics like Slowbro and Reuniclus become a lot harder to threaten.
I think once fairy was introduced steel types have slowly power crept in order to check them which has slowed Psychic types a bit, but really the strength of ghost types from pursuit being removed has been more of a problem for psychic types that pursuit itself
@@danielsmith5032 Its probably just their way to conveying "steel is harder than Rock" Mechanically its pretty clear both Steel and Dark was introduced to gut normal and psychic. Thematically, at one point Steel does resists every typing that you can kinda imagine being "directly hitting" besides Ground(whose iconic attack is Earthquake) and Fighting(whose classically the "break hard things" typing"
I'd say that Psychic is a bad type that is given to a lot of good mons, but the traits of the type themselves are really bad (defensively it's genuinely awful and I rarely see it discussed when it comes to the worst defensive types, because being weak to U-Turn, the Dark Toolkit and adding Ghost on top is so ludicrously bad, all for what ? Resisting itself and Fighting ? That's not that great seeing as Psychic is basically only seen offensively on Psychic types due to how dogwater the type is (there are some instance of mons using Psychic coverage, but it's like "I don't have access to a Ground move and I really want a move to deal with Poison types", it really is because there are no other options for you). You are only good against Fighting and Poison and in exchange Psychic is resisted if not nullified by like half of the enemy's team). Having a strong mon like Latios being Psychic gives a few ways to deal with them more efficiently, but for worse mons, being Psychic is a detriment at this point. Ghost on the other hand is just a busted type given to a bunch of really good mons
I feel like something like steel types still resisting ghosts, gen 6 onwards would had helped a lot to make shadow ball spam more bearable. Still strong, they would get worn down and a lot of ghosts share some of the tricks strong physics have (trick, focus blast, etc), but ya know, I don't get why dark gets a new resistance in fairy to compensate for losing one, but ghost doesn't I think part of it is that ghost and physics also don't interact with the type chart much in general. Specially ghosts, with its resistance/immunity being only dark and normal types gen 6 onwards. With normals usually being rare in ou besided Blissey and such obviously. Dragons not only worry about super strong types like steels and fairy, but a lot of their general answers tend to have something like status or ice coverage as well Physics in the other hand have stuff like physock for their special walls, but also generally don't care *as much* for status, or hazards in magic guard examples. There's knock off, but even that is for utility in a lot of bulky mons still. Sorry for long ramble lol, just found this a interesting topic
I don't know man. I understand how ghost type can be strong... but in my opinion, psychic type is just bad by itself but carried by the stats and min-maxing of its offensive mons. Alakazam's stats would be extremely broken on an electric type. I hope someone would do some statistics like tiering/usage normalized by BST or some version of effective BST. I would imagine electric type, ground type, ghost type, flying type, dragon type... are a lot stronger than psychic type, even just offensively. (My guess is) You think pursue is preventing psychic type from rampaging is because 1. you focus on change instead of absolute power and 2 psychic tend to be offensive mon that are easier considered broke. Psychic type is so weak that legendaries with crazy min maxing like latios can drop to OU, together with pursue. After pursue is gone, you think latio is broken, but this is just a change that doesn't reflect whether psychic type is weak or strong. A mon with latio's level of min-maxing would be even stronger without the psychic type... like naganadel
I can't believe the evil Finchinator would remove pursuit from the game because his favourite poison type is gengar, and because Harry Styles has a song called Two Ghosts. Truly a corrupt oficial.
Psychic as a type kinda blows, yeah there are many powerful psychic type Pokemon but as time went on it became a detriment for most pokemon with it Especially now in gen 9. Ghosts are the real problem, especially now that poltergeist is a thing for physical ghosts. If pursuit came back, the psychic type should be somewhat buffed
It should be noting that the powerful Psychic type that has nothing to Psychic Terrain, Espathra, is the constant Substitute set-up Cosmic Power Pokemon we have all worried about. It is either that good or that bad. It also could Terastalize out of Psychic type.
IDK about singles much after Gen 7, and even then I played BSS on console rather than OU until Gen 9 (BSS is bring 6 pick 3 singles, only restricteds are banned and everything is level 50), but for the longest time, I believed Ghosts were broken long before Gen 8. I mean, looking at the type chart reveals some true nonsense: - They have two immunities (Fake Out being one of them which is broken in VGC/Doubles), - They are only resisted by one type (a type that is more commonly used offensively than defensively), and only one type is immune to them (which again, is associated more with offense and isn't a great type to have in general), and - They cannot be trapped by abilities. I can attribute the reason why Ghosts weren't "broken" in the first 7 Gens to 4 things: 1 - Ghost-type moves suck, and they suck hard. Shadow Ball is the most consistent special Ghost attack, and it sits at 80 BP with no notable added effects. The physical side I won't even look at just because of how awful it is. Moves like Poltergeist, Astral Barrage and perhaps even Tera Blast showed why this was a good thing (Dragapult did some nasty stuff besides Chien-Pao in VGC with Tera Ghost Tera Blast, IDK how popular this kind of thing is in singles). 2 - Steel resisted Ghost until Gen 6. This made it so that Gengar and Rotom-A (in Gen 4) were held back in the STAB department considerably, imagine them with a Shadow Ball that Steel doesn't resist, I assure you Specs Gengar would be much more common like the Dragapults of modern Pokemon. Of course, nowadays this isn't the case and even STAB Shadow Ball is scary. 3 - Besides Gengar, we didn't have that many notable Ghost-type attackers, the role which Ghosts are actually broken in. Gengar has been the only one for so damn long that I think people might have thought less of it as a Ghost-type attacker and more of it as "Gengar is Gengar" - it worked as a fast Ghost-type attacker, but since nothing else comes remotely close to filling its niche, that niche became something associated with Gengar itself, if this makes sense. Mons like Dusclops, Cofagrigus and Sableye had their moments as successful walls sure, but this didn't serve to show people why Ghost is broken. This changed in Gen 8 with the introductions of monsters like Spectrier, Dragapult and Calyrex-Shadow, and Gen 9 continued the trend with Flutter Mane. 4 - As the video says, Pursuit was a thing. I won't expand upon this. But what I will expand upon is Force, because that's exactly what Psychics do in Doubles (and I heard it was a thing in singles this Gen too). If they are ever strong, it's because they abuse high stats with overpowered field effects and move synergies - Psyspam in Doubles means using a couple Psychics that learn Expanding Force alongside Indeedee-F, with the most common partners being Armarouge and Iron Crown. Armarouge is doubly nasty because it works in Trick Room with its low speed, but it can also be Weak Armor Weakness Policy bullshit - this is the quintessential closed team sheets BO1 cheese wincon. Psyspam is a type identity - one of the few to exist this blatantly even - which might seem like a good thing for giving types originality, but good god this is the most boring way to go about it. Your type has an identity, and that identity is click button while you can't be priority'd. Wow. Outside this, Psychic is just a middling type that you generally don't want. The singles aspect has been touched upon in the video. I won't talk about it again.
This is something I've thought about a lot too, it's relevant for all of us trying to beat the best of the best after all. And I get you with liking what pursuit does to the game. There are crazy and interesting plays to make with it, and it'd probably be more healthy if it dealt neutral damage. Pursuit has a profound impact on the game, and creates viability for whole mons, not just to check psychics n ghosts but primarily sure. It's just that it's a bit unreliable, it's weaker when you are getting the switch out read wrong making it not completely broken against defensively stronger psychic types (rip espeon dying in one to se 40 bp) that can take at least one But it also creates 50/50 territory like that, on top of how it forces narrow play and gives a copium psychic/ghosts aren't broken And tbf some of them aren't broken, some of them are broken even with pursuit It in my eyes doesn't actually lead to anything healthy of skillful (except clicking the move on double switches or such when someone tries to force you out. Niche stuff) It's a similar problem I have with sucker punch and the raging bolt move. We all know about OU Kingambit that'd definitely be broken if sucker was a reliable stab but it isn't, so there's a copium way to play around it. Even if there's very little reasoning and a lot of praying to get it right. But sucker is more broadly an uncompetitive move, I main little cup and any sucker user high-key doesn't want to drop it because of how valuable it is in ho match ups. Either against frailer mons or set up. And that's also where the main argument I see for sucker not being broken fails, because the non broken way to use it is against choiced mons which almost no one does ever, and even then choiced mons are already restricted and can be played around. This makes it so that mons that would be broken and require to be checked by priority to be reliably played around, even if you are aggressive and willing to sac, stay legal despite having no proper counterplay. Defensively or dynamically/offensively And that just isn't fun. I'll take my 50/50 to win or lose but I wish it was 100% or 0%. Like this has a terrible impact on tiering and muddies the water in an unhelpful way
Its not just the lack of Pursuit, Psychic and Ghost are the best attacking types not resitst by faerie, which is the dominant defensive type. look what like half the mones tera into. its like 80% stab tera or faerie. the best attacking type is in fact Dark which is only balanced with the faerie resist. its incredible how strong dark is and all the moves kinda suck. knock off works only once and crunch and Dark pulse have 80 BP. and are still dominant whenever there is a stronger attack it gets silly pretty fast. (Hyperspace Fury!)
Psychic is genuinely a bad type, both offensively and defensively. The offensive evidence is that barely any mons want psychic coverage as one of their move slots. It is a type with great mons, but don’t be delusional to think that the type is what makes them great.
This video felt addressed to me. I'm no game designer, but yhere's gotta be some happy medium between "spam shadow ball forever" and "i can't use shadow ball or I die"
The big issue with Psychic is that Bug is a terrible offensive typing mainly used for stuff like Choice banded U-Turns. And it's the offensive Psychics that tend to specialize in hit and run tactics, so good luck finding the right timing to get one of those in on one. And when it comes to the walls like Lugia, Reuniclus and Cresselia, they're often designed to be able to switch in to big Special attacks, so stray Dark Pulse and Shadow Ball attacks as coverage moves are rarely going to scare them off. This leadsto EXTREME answers like massive buffs to Knock Off/Leech Life, and practical/literal immunes like Kingambit and Aegislash that just end up being too lopsided in as answers to be balanced in Doubles and Singles respectively.
Calyrex-Shadow in Sword and Shield is probably up there for being hard to deal with. Pursuit was nonexistent so you could not punish it for switching. It had access to Trick which crippled Yveltal and that was the most common Shadow-Rider check. Yveltal would have to deal with Shadow Rider while holding a Choice Scarf and with rocks up on the field. Many variants did not out speed Shadow Rider with Choice Scarf either. Calyrex-Shadow could eventually break through Yveltal over the course of the game through a hit and run style and it did not need to worry about residual damage because it gained Heavy-Duty Boots from Yveltal. To make matters worse, it also had access to Baton Pass which bypasses Pursuit anyway. In AG, it could Nasty Plot and pass its boosts to Geomancy Xerneas, Kyogre or Dynamax Yveltal. While Scarlet Violet did introduce Terrestrialization, I've heard people say Calyrex-Shadow was harder to consistently handle in Galar due to it being far more unpredictable.
Heck, possibly because it was the one time they gave an actually-powerful spread move, even Calyrex-Ice Rider can be hard to deal with, though as a slow Ice type not that hard.
I played gen 4-6 competively, I rarely used Pursuit for two reasons: 1: I'll be real, I was bad with it. 2: I could often bluff it anyway - most people would think (rightfully to some degree) that me not having it would be stupid, assuming I had 1 less move slot. 2 is valid but yeah it was mostly 1 lol.
I think Psychics were meant to be a weak type in the chart but the mons were all very strong. It’s why Lugia is a Psychic type because it was meant to represent its overwhelming power. It’s similar to dragon in that way. However as more mons got added, the less the Psychic mons were special in that regard. More and more powerful steel, dark, and especially ghost types rose up and psychics didn’t really bring anything that other mons couldn’t unless they were broken outside of their typing like the laties and the cell.
Its kinda weird since the game started with Psychic being strong. Psychic issues in Gen 1 was something thats not "intended by the type chart" since its strictly meta oriented(in game Psychic hits most things SE. Meta Psychic is resisted by at least 30% of what your facing, sometimes 80% and Mewtwo makes Psychic sucks so bad the meta with Mewtwo averages 150 turns) and this idea lasts to gen 4 before they swap to Dragons It also kinda make me wonder what Dragon quest shit leads there lmao since the psychic counterpart in DQ isnt exactly.... strong
I like that Psychic type was also just a Kanto type (a type that is only good because of Kanto jank, or the leftover design decisions from Kanto up to Gen 4), in addition to Ice and Normal types. Apparently, at least Ice type has turn into just the speedy sweeper type.
BKC assuming you had complete freedom with balancing such as someone making a fangame how would you fix those typings without the reintroduction of pursuit? New types to the chart? Changing resists and weaknesses? Nerfing ghost stabs?
And Ghosts will never stop being busted as long as the only good "Normals" are Extreme Killers like Tera Dragonite and Arceus. The Chansey line can tank the Special attacking ghosts well enough, but does little to actually hurt them back, while Physical ones can just smack it away with Knock Off or something. Farigiraf is a neat concept as a Psychic with Ghost immunity, but feels too "balanced" compared to the handful of Psychic types people find annoying to deal with.
Pursuit my beloved ❤💔 Random thought but maybe pursuit only working against types it's super effective against would be a somewhat fair way to "balance" it 🤔 keeping it's "intended" purpose while cutting down some of the 50/50s (think Banded Weavile vs Zard Y etc) Not to say those scenarios are the most pressing or what people most complained about but I feel like that's a reasonable touch up to the move if there was to be one, just spitballin
Another big application of Pursuit being lost is see how good Slowking Galar has become or bulky regen cores in general. I kid you not even Specs Keldeo is literally never breaking past just Boots Slowking G. It does 48% max with Hydro and so you will literally never be able to break past it if it has good water resist/immune team mates. You can never click the fighting move. I was so sad to see it being this unviable. Your Specs mon will be unable to do any meaningful damage let alone act as your breaker.
Psychic isn't even that strong of a type. It's mainly the mons that are powerful. Ghost on the other hand is very busted, and deservedly needs a nerf. Fairy could also use a nerf.
Too many get trick, too many get high quality coverage moves for the steels and dark types. Fairy really buffed these mons because so many get moonblast or at worst dazzling gleam now. We just need more diverse resists to psychic and ghost. They just put steel and dark in gen 2 and said “that’s good”.
Yeah, but Kingambit is the only Pokémon that can do that. Yeah, all evolutionary stages of Pawniard block Psychic and resist Ghost typings, and are otherwise both very good, but what if the metas does not accommodate any of the Pawniard line?
pursuit definitely would be able to exist in the current landscape and still be nerfed as gf wanted because most dark weak mons worth their name have pivoting of some kind Dragapult is going to uturn out of ttar all day and hit a hydro when it gets bored, nothing would change except for when its not running that which is the majority of the time aka a good change also gholdengo just makes it rain on you so it truly dont matter
@@midnightemerald They mean pult uturns as ttar comes in, chunking it significantly. It also just will o wisps it on switch in and then pivots out with minimal punishment on boots sets. Gholdengo smacks it with +2 make it rain and that’s that. Lemme put it this way. National dex meta games this gen have pursuit and base Ttar is unviable there anyways. Mega Ttar is good, but the extra stats are necessary to compete
It's still relevant to note that Pult U-turning on the ttar switch is really annoying to wear it down, though it may spam Draco or Shadow Ball less if the Pursuit threat is there
Also I came in thinking that you were going to complain about how Ghost is much, much, much better than Psychic which IMO is also a pretty significant problem.
Glowking switching infinitely in gen 8 ou is so absurd if pursuit was still around it would be nu but nooooo it and pult get to just fuck around and never get punished its so annoying
Lmao no. It was a great Pokémon last gen in national dex OU meta game, where pursuit exists. And it’s top tier this gen in national dex… where pursuit exists. It’s amazing for a number of reasons and pursuit would not make it unviable
I think Grass type was designed really well in relation to the type chart & how the type interacts with its resists & weaknesses. The type gets smacked by 5 types for SE damage & has 7 types that resist it offensively. The tradeoffs are very good though. Half of the type has access to sleep powder & leech seed. The type also has loads of healing moves & is one of the few types that deal SE damage to water types. Psychic is *really* hard to judge. Psychic usually had very physically exploitable stats & most were fast & frail attackers. Then gen 3 hit & started making more *very* bulky ones. Gen 4 had it right for both ghosts & psychics. Ghost always had the very good niche of being immune to crazy moves like Explosion. So, making moves like SR gave the type much more value because keeping hazards on the field was paramount. Most ghosts could also learn Will-O, giving them a way they could shit on pursuit users if they had the bulk & hp reserves (even though Will-o had a 25% miss chance at the time). Ghost had a valuable role outside of the type chart, & that was gatekeeping rapid spinners. Psychic on paper looks to be one of the best types logically, but was kept down by some annoying blindspots (the lack of fairy & reliable fighting type coverage made annoying blindspots). Ghost becoming neutral to Steel was a *really* crazy buff. Ghost type moves also have really annoying secondary effects, which make them even more low risk, high reward. Psychic having only two resists to it offensively, while giving many fighting & fairy coverage was a little overkill. Fighting coverage use met they were walled by opposing psychic types. Using ghost met that dark types could check them harder. Fairy coverage was the unneeded safety net they didnt need if pursuit got removed. Nowadays, Ghost & psychic have one major issue. Both types role compression. Shadow Ball is *extremely* powerful. It covers too much. Psychic is just a tad too versatile. I think this dynamic also helped reveal that fairy did *not* fix the type chart, but it just made the flaws more apparent.
they're much easier to make quickly and when my days end around midnight as they have lately that's kinda important. it won't last (I hope!). pretty sure I've always had random intros though
@@BKCplaysPokemonwell i actually really like them, the little introduction explaining what got you into the mood of talking about this specific part of competitive pokemon are not only humorous but they give your videos a little more character (which they don't need since your content is already incredibly unique in the pokemon scene in general). Also its fun watching you do chores or just sit with the camera. I know they were always going to be temporary but if you find them good enough to stay, just know there are lots of things to enjoy about them.
I definitely agree with the face cam part, but random intro is like: come on, we been through his personal tangents before, it's fun and gives more character to the videos. I think BKC looks like a Chad as much as the next guy, but frankly I like the podcast style better and am just tired of people in every video commenting the same thing about his looks. Yes he looks great, can we move on now?
I swear to God anyone coming in with some dumbass ignorant ass missing the point ass "ummm actually Pursuit isn't the ONLY way to deal with Psychics and Ghosts 😂" ass nonsense will feel my wrath
Silly BKC, just use Umbreon. We all love the Eevee line up.
Ready to get crucified.
the best way to deal with psychics and ghosts is to ban them all, but Finchinator wants to promote witchcraft and obviously wont do anything about it
Honestly, in the current generations (aside from Lele) with how powerful and common the Dark, Ghost and Steel types have been getting I didn't think Psychic isn't even THAT good of a type unless you remove those.
I genuinely think Ghost is much better type than Psychic in pretty much every way and Psychic Terrain is not saving Psychic types (exclusively Singles). Ghosts are better offensively and defensively but Ghost is stupidly broken. Who thought only having Dark resist Ghost was a good idea.
It feels like there's soo many Psychic punishes around every corner at least in the current generations. Hell people wanted to drop Solgaleo into OU. Kingambit, Gholdengo, Roaring Moon, Meowscarada are such huge roadblocks. Triple dark is such a good strategy in OU right now. Maybe I'm just trippin though.
ummm actually Pursuit isn’t the ONLY way to deal with Psychics and Ghosts
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I don't think Psychic is actually a particularly strong type, I just think Game Freak loves making busted Pokémon Psychic-types. Consider dual Psychic-types such as Starmie and Latios. It's not at all uncommon for them to forgo Psychic coverage entirely; unless they're willing to give up coverage or utility for Psyshock in later generations, Psychic is, most of the time, a "neutral coverage" option that doesn't actually have particularly good neutral coverage. Sure, Latios likes it in gen 6 and onwards to hit Fairy-types, but it would still rather be, like, a Dragon-Fire type or Dragon-Poison type than a Dragon-Psychic type.
More often than not, being a Psychic-type is a defensive liability; the Pursuit weakness is crippling, and after Pursuit was removed, being weak to Sucker Punch, Knock Off, and U-Turn still sucks. For these terrible weaknesses, all you get in return is a Fighting resistance, which is obviously good but rarely makes up for its flaws. Additionally, the lack of resistances can make it a lot harder for mono-Psychic types to find good switch-in opportunities. Lots of Psychic-types feel like their Psychic typing is what keeps them in check, not what makes them broken. Imagine mono-Water Starmie, or mono-Dragon or Dragon-SomeOtherType Lati twins. Hell, imagine if Alakazam was a Water-type or a Fairy-type. Psychic-Types are not good because they are Psychic-types; they are good because they tend to have disgusting SpA and Spe stats with great coverage, boosting moves, reliable recovery, and powerful disruption tools like Trick, Encore, Thunder Wave, etc.
Gen 8+ Ghost, on the other hand, is busted, and more or less a better Psychic-type. That nice Fighting resistance becomes a Fighting (and Normal) immunity, letting even the frailest attackers come in for free and blocking common priority moves. The U-Turn weakness becomes a resistance, further improving Ghost-types' opportunities to make progress. The "neutral coverage" that gets resisted by half the opponent's team suddenly becomes a lot better when it hits Steel-types neutrally, and becomes gamebreaking when you consider that the 2 types that resist Ghost get destroyed by Focus Blast. And despite this, the best Ghost-types still have all the offensive stats and distruption tools that Psychic-types possess, while being able to come in easily with their stellar defensive profiles and instantly threaten basically every Pokémon on the enemy team. This was previously """""balanced out""""" by Pursuit, but without Pursuit it becomes apparent that the typing is pretty stupid.
Big agree, Psychic-type mons get nasty abilities, movepools, and stat distributions a lot of the time that make them insane. Making a mon dual-type with Psychic (or God forbid changing them to mono-Psychic!) is usually a major disadvantage on paper and in practice.
Very true, I think about stuff like gen 5 OU psyspam which is so good not because the psychic type is overpowered (unlike Dragmag which is good because of how strong Dragon is), but rather because Latios is the best mon in the tier and Reuniclus and Alakazam both get Magic Guard to get around the huge amount of passive damage that they can just ignore. Like BKC said, the only reason they're not busted is because half the teams in OU have a built in Psychic check in PursuitTar
Very well put! Nowadays ghost feels like the best offensive type in the game, even over Fairy. Fairy has better coverage yeah, but there’s so much less in the meta that can resist a shadow ball than a moonblast. Ghost is just so spammable in a post pursuit removable era
Ghost rapidly creeped into Psychic's realm of "bunch of things with extremely stupid stat distribution/ability/moves" with the addition of Dragapult, Spectrier/Calyrex-S, Gholdengo, Basculegion, Skeledirge, Houndstone, Flutter Mane...
Kinda like Dragon was during gens 4 and 5.
I agree, I think psychic as a type has gotten weaker and weaker as time goes on. Darks being immune + being weak to U-turn, knock and Sucker Punch are huge problems for the type. Ghost has the same issues with dark types but makes up for it with two incredible immunities and being the most spammable type offensively.
I agree with Ghost but Psychic really isn't that great of a type. It just happens to be given to great Pokemon. With Ghost and Dark being as free as they are to spam , Psychic is definitely hampered in these later generations. There are only 3 psychics ranked in the S/A tiers in SV and they're Slowking-G, Deoxys-S, and Hatterene. Deoxys-S's viability has nothing to do with its Psychic typing.
Meanwhile, the top two mons are Ghost/Dark spammers and the most common typing among the S/A Pokemon is Dark. This video really should've been about Ghost and Dark. They feel like the most free types to spam by a mile.
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I feel like Psychic is still not a great typing. Take away Latios, the Magic Guard mons, and Lele in the later gens, it'd probably be alot more manageable strictly on typing. Dark and Ghost are so much better due to lack of resistances
Yeah if you take away the high-tier mons and legendaries the type does look pretty bad lol
@@judeloveless9427Take away the Tapus, Zacian, Clefable and Iron Valiant and the Fairy type... Wait, it's still good.
Umm, actually, Ghosts are totally countered by Knock Off so checkmate BKC.
Lol
@@bradleynorton1925 my dragapult can never come in because every pokemon knows knock off and ohkos. This has contributed to my 1005 ELO on pokemon showdown. We should buff ghost types ngl
It always comes back to #BugRights in the end. if Bug's resisted ghost and psychic everything would be perfect and there would be no problems with any metagames ever.
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Bug resisting psychic? That just makes psychic go from pretty bad to very bad. Surely if bug resisted fairy that would be more useful?
@@ohnoitsdominoes5393 sure, bugs can resist fairy too.
Shedinja exists, isn't that enough for you greedy bug freaks?
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Bug should resist Fairy. I'd say it should be super effective against Fighting (IRL humans are countered by swarms of insects) but that'd nerf the Fighting type too much. I mean a Bug weakness isn't much but it could tip the scales.
I dont think physic type is the problem. Its just that they legendarys with high stats. If you made latias and latios just dragon types they're still going to be good.
The slowtwins are good because they have slack off regenerator and teleport. If they lost their physic typing theyll still be good.
Ghost typing was always broken inherently and it's only gotten better. Its neutral to all but one usable type.
The one thing holding it back in the older gens is the pokemon sucked stat wise. Spectrier shows this off the best. That mon is in ubers in ss for being to offensive when it had one attacking move. How many other types could it have been and still be banished.
Psychic isn't even good anymore, it's honestly the worst type in the game.
Yeah, dropping steel’s ghost resistance might’ve been a touch too far in the way of balancing things.
I mean, psychic kinda sucks right now but ghost absolutely needs better counterplay.
psychic types are very much a threat in lower tiers where you have more limited access to viable steel types. Iron Crown, Metagross, Latios, Indeedee, and Slowking are all viable threats in UU. Some would argue indeedee is doodoo though, moreso used for what it enables.
@@lovemykids570mommyvloggerExpanding Force Indeedee ain't hitting it?
@@MaahirMomtaz12 Other mons just do EP spam so much better, but Indeedee is serviceable for the terrain it provides
Basically you want to preserve Indeedee for the terrain, so it prefers not to be the primary Expanding force user on a team.
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We need Pursuit Kingambit right now.
and he needs another move to knock them off a peg
It's kinda crazy that all it took was the removal of Pursuit to showcase how dumb Ghost types are. They have immunity to common priority, trapping immunity, often get Willow to screw over Dark and Normal(both types skew Physical). Best offensive type in Singles for sure.
Same way all it took was boots to reveal how absurd rocks weak pokemon could be. There’s always a question of “what balances the meta game” and pursuit seems like such a bandaid and so does hazards
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@@fulltimeslackerii8229 Switching is one of the most powerful moves in Pokemon, especially with Pivot moves. Without punishing it, you can get really long games or have offensive/fat stuff keep switching in for free.
I'm glad someone said it. That whole part of the type chart is utter shambles.
Bug, Fairy, Ghost, Psychic, and arguably Rock all need reworks tbh.
Don't forget ice crying in the corner
@@Cliff86 Ice as a type is fine, especially with the snow rework. Really, Ice types just need to play to their strengths of fast wallbreakers/sweepers instead of slow spdef tanks
@@theimpersonator7086 i do think they can make bulky ices work now that they introduced broken abilities like Purifying Salt and Good as Gold
Mons like Avalug don't stand a chance when all they have is sturdy
@@theimpersonator7086 unfortunately, Game Freak keeps making Ice-types that are not fast beatsticks. They also make Ice-types that anyone with any interest in singles or VGC knows simply will never work: Cetitan, Avalugg/H (what a waste of a Hisuian form btw), Frosmoth, Aurorus, solo Glastrier to some extent... These are just in the 3D era. It's well-understood, too, that Pokemon like Glaceon, Glalie, Vanilluxe, Beartic, Cryogonal, Regice -- mono ice-types with niche (at best) applications -- are really let down by their awful mono-Ice typing. Some of those Pokemon actually even have stat distributions that can function, especially because they're helped out by an ability. For example, no one is using Beartic even with the Defense boost and Slush Rush boost with its actually great 130 Attack because mono-Ice typing is just *that* dreadful; compare to Mamoswine, even Piloswine.
I don't know how much it is the types vs specific mons. Dragapult and Spectrier's Speed tiers are stupid. Aegislash was it's own unique thing. The biggest problem Psychics have incredible minnaxed stats and abilities for the time. Tapu Lele hits like a truck before the Psychic Terrain boost. The less said about Magic Guard Psychics the better.
I do think ridding most of them of Trick like with the Toxic distribution nerf would help a lot. Like, Hypno and Mr. Mime aren't problematic with Trick but there's no reason Lele should 50/50 nuke or cripple your Chansey based on whether it Tricks or not.
Gengar losing Levitate already brought it back down to earth, it can keep Trick. I agree Wisp is annoying on Ghosts but I think it's a fundamental part of how they play now and added much more depth since Gen 3. Remove Wisp from Ghosts and the only common Burn option becomes Fire, and that's problematic if you want to burn a Gyarados or Hippo etc.
As far as ghost types, I still think the best way to keep them in check would be to improve the normal type. If mons like Snorlax Regigas and slaking were OU viable, ghost would be less likely to spam their stab.
As it is, blissey is pretty much the only OU viable normal these days and it can’t really touch ghost itself
For the love of God, give Normal types a Return-equivalent move, or a Normal type that can hit Ghost for neutral damage without Scrappy.
Maybe I'm being dumb, but when you mentioned DPP starmie/latias: wouldn't they be better if they weren't part psychic? Surely they suffer more from bug/dark/ghost weaknesses than they gain from resisting fighting /psychic? It really doesn't seem to me that the psychic typing is what makes them difficult to deal with.
the fighting resist is huge, latias is one of the preeminent answers to breloom for example
I actually don’t care how much psychic would suffer from pursuit coming back, I need a ghost type nerf yesterday
Psychics can be fine with Pursuit in the game, look at Gen 5 and the strength of Psyspam Sand Spikes. Really, the issue is without Pursuit, Ghosts are just busted since their STAB is spamable and they have Willow and Taunt for Bulky Darks and Normal types.
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Funnily enough, while Pursuit obviously creates huge limitations on the majority of Psychics, its presence can be a buff to and great pairing with physically bulky Psychics. Ghost spam becomes a lot more risky with Pursuit and obviously if you happen to remove the opponent's Ghost your bulky Psychics like Slowbro and Reuniclus become a lot harder to threaten.
@@20oxide36Which explains why Reuniclus is cancerous in Gen 5 OU and will probably get banned
@@MaahirMomtaz12 Exactly.
I think once fairy was introduced steel types have slowly power crept in order to check them which has slowed Psychic types a bit, but really the strength of ghost types from pursuit being removed has been more of a problem for psychic types that pursuit itself
Why does Steel resist Psychic anyways? Like thematically what makes it resistable? 😂
@@danielsmith5032I thought it was because robots aren’t susceptible to mind-control in the psychic sense
@@danielsmith5032 Its probably just their way to conveying "steel is harder than Rock"
Mechanically its pretty clear both Steel and Dark was introduced to gut normal and psychic. Thematically, at one point Steel does resists every typing that you can kinda imagine being "directly hitting" besides Ground(whose iconic attack is Earthquake) and Fighting(whose classically the "break hard things" typing"
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I'd say that Psychic is a bad type that is given to a lot of good mons, but the traits of the type themselves are really bad (defensively it's genuinely awful and I rarely see it discussed when it comes to the worst defensive types, because being weak to U-Turn, the Dark Toolkit and adding Ghost on top is so ludicrously bad, all for what ? Resisting itself and Fighting ? That's not that great seeing as Psychic is basically only seen offensively on Psychic types due to how dogwater the type is (there are some instance of mons using Psychic coverage, but it's like "I don't have access to a Ground move and I really want a move to deal with Poison types", it really is because there are no other options for you). You are only good against Fighting and Poison and in exchange Psychic is resisted if not nullified by like half of the enemy's team). Having a strong mon like Latios being Psychic gives a few ways to deal with them more efficiently, but for worse mons, being Psychic is a detriment at this point.
Ghost on the other hand is just a busted type given to a bunch of really good mons
Do dark next. Lower tiers usually feel like theyre pining for a dark resist that doesnt fold to coverage.
I feel like something like steel types still resisting ghosts, gen 6 onwards would had helped a lot to make shadow ball spam more bearable. Still strong, they would get worn down and a lot of ghosts share some of the tricks strong physics have (trick, focus blast, etc), but ya know, I don't get why dark gets a new resistance in fairy to compensate for losing one, but ghost doesn't
I think part of it is that ghost and physics also don't interact with the type chart much in general. Specially ghosts, with its resistance/immunity being only dark and normal types gen 6 onwards. With normals usually being rare in ou besided Blissey and such obviously. Dragons not only worry about super strong types like steels and fairy, but a lot of their general answers tend to have something like status or ice coverage as well
Physics in the other hand have stuff like physock for their special walls, but also generally don't care *as much* for status, or hazards in magic guard examples. There's knock off, but even that is for utility in a lot of bulky mons still. Sorry for long ramble lol, just found this a interesting topic
I don't know man. I understand how ghost type can be strong... but in my opinion, psychic type is just bad by itself but carried by the stats and min-maxing of its offensive mons.
Alakazam's stats would be extremely broken on an electric type. I hope someone would do some statistics like tiering/usage normalized by BST or some version of effective BST. I would imagine electric type, ground type, ghost type, flying type, dragon type... are a lot stronger than psychic type, even just offensively.
(My guess is) You think pursue is preventing psychic type from rampaging is because 1. you focus on change instead of absolute power and 2 psychic tend to be offensive mon that are easier considered broke. Psychic type is so weak that legendaries with crazy min maxing like latios can drop to OU, together with pursue. After pursue is gone, you think latio is broken, but this is just a change that doesn't reflect whether psychic type is weak or strong. A mon with latio's level of min-maxing would be even stronger without the psychic type... like naganadel
I can't believe the evil Finchinator would remove pursuit from the game because his favourite poison type is gengar, and because Harry Styles has a song called Two Ghosts. Truly a corrupt oficial.
I'd be perfectly fine with Pursuit being a Ttar signature. A knockoff+pursuit combination could be good, in theory.
they "balanced dragons" by making an even stronger type.
Actually, i think that psychics have become worse every generation, even without pursuit
Psychic as a type kinda blows, yeah there are many powerful psychic type Pokemon but as time went on it became a detriment for most pokemon with it Especially now in gen 9.
Ghosts are the real problem, especially now that poltergeist is a thing for physical ghosts.
If pursuit came back, the psychic type should be somewhat buffed
It should be noting that the powerful Psychic type that has nothing to Psychic Terrain, Espathra, is the constant Substitute set-up Cosmic Power Pokemon we have all worried about. It is either that good or that bad. It also could Terastalize out of Psychic type.
IDK about singles much after Gen 7, and even then I played BSS on console rather than OU until Gen 9 (BSS is bring 6 pick 3 singles, only restricteds are banned and everything is level 50), but for the longest time, I believed Ghosts were broken long before Gen 8. I mean, looking at the type chart reveals some true nonsense:
- They have two immunities (Fake Out being one of them which is broken in VGC/Doubles),
- They are only resisted by one type (a type that is more commonly used offensively than defensively), and only one type is immune to them (which again, is associated more with offense and isn't a great type to have in general), and
- They cannot be trapped by abilities.
I can attribute the reason why Ghosts weren't "broken" in the first 7 Gens to 4 things:
1 - Ghost-type moves suck, and they suck hard. Shadow Ball is the most consistent special Ghost attack, and it sits at 80 BP with no notable added effects. The physical side I won't even look at just because of how awful it is. Moves like Poltergeist, Astral Barrage and perhaps even Tera Blast showed why this was a good thing (Dragapult did some nasty stuff besides Chien-Pao in VGC with Tera Ghost Tera Blast, IDK how popular this kind of thing is in singles).
2 - Steel resisted Ghost until Gen 6. This made it so that Gengar and Rotom-A (in Gen 4) were held back in the STAB department considerably, imagine them with a Shadow Ball that Steel doesn't resist, I assure you Specs Gengar would be much more common like the Dragapults of modern Pokemon. Of course, nowadays this isn't the case and even STAB Shadow Ball is scary.
3 - Besides Gengar, we didn't have that many notable Ghost-type attackers, the role which Ghosts are actually broken in. Gengar has been the only one for so damn long that I think people might have thought less of it as a Ghost-type attacker and more of it as "Gengar is Gengar" - it worked as a fast Ghost-type attacker, but since nothing else comes remotely close to filling its niche, that niche became something associated with Gengar itself, if this makes sense. Mons like Dusclops, Cofagrigus and Sableye had their moments as successful walls sure, but this didn't serve to show people why Ghost is broken. This changed in Gen 8 with the introductions of monsters like Spectrier, Dragapult and Calyrex-Shadow, and Gen 9 continued the trend with Flutter Mane.
4 - As the video says, Pursuit was a thing. I won't expand upon this.
But what I will expand upon is Force, because that's exactly what Psychics do in Doubles (and I heard it was a thing in singles this Gen too). If they are ever strong, it's because they abuse high stats with overpowered field effects and move synergies - Psyspam in Doubles means using a couple Psychics that learn Expanding Force alongside Indeedee-F, with the most common partners being Armarouge and Iron Crown. Armarouge is doubly nasty because it works in Trick Room with its low speed, but it can also be Weak Armor Weakness Policy bullshit - this is the quintessential closed team sheets BO1 cheese wincon.
Psyspam is a type identity - one of the few to exist this blatantly even - which might seem like a good thing for giving types originality, but good god this is the most boring way to go about it. Your type has an identity, and that identity is click button while you can't be priority'd. Wow. Outside this, Psychic is just a middling type that you generally don't want.
The singles aspect has been touched upon in the video. I won't talk about it again.
This is something I've thought about a lot too, it's relevant for all of us trying to beat the best of the best after all.
And I get you with liking what pursuit does to the game. There are crazy and interesting plays to make with it, and it'd probably be more healthy if it dealt neutral damage.
Pursuit has a profound impact on the game, and creates viability for whole mons, not just to check psychics n ghosts but primarily sure.
It's just that it's a bit unreliable, it's weaker when you are getting the switch out read wrong making it not completely broken against defensively stronger psychic types (rip espeon dying in one to se 40 bp) that can take at least one
But it also creates 50/50 territory like that, on top of how it forces narrow play and gives a copium psychic/ghosts aren't broken
And tbf some of them aren't broken, some of them are broken even with pursuit
It in my eyes doesn't actually lead to anything healthy of skillful (except clicking the move on double switches or such when someone tries to force you out. Niche stuff)
It's a similar problem I have with sucker punch and the raging bolt move.
We all know about OU Kingambit that'd definitely be broken if sucker was a reliable stab but it isn't, so there's a copium way to play around it. Even if there's very little reasoning and a lot of praying to get it right.
But sucker is more broadly an uncompetitive move, I main little cup and any sucker user high-key doesn't want to drop it because of how valuable it is in ho match ups. Either against frailer mons or set up. And that's also where the main argument I see for sucker not being broken fails, because the non broken way to use it is against choiced mons which almost no one does ever, and even then choiced mons are already restricted and can be played around.
This makes it so that mons that would be broken and require to be checked by priority to be reliably played around, even if you are aggressive and willing to sac, stay legal despite having no proper counterplay. Defensively or dynamically/offensively
And that just isn't fun.
I'll take my 50/50 to win or lose but I wish it was 100% or 0%.
Like this has a terrible impact on tiering and muddies the water in an unhelpful way
Its not just the lack of Pursuit, Psychic and Ghost are the best attacking types not resitst by faerie, which is the dominant defensive type. look what like half the mones tera into. its like 80% stab tera or faerie.
the best attacking type is in fact Dark which is only balanced with the faerie resist. its incredible how strong dark is and all the moves kinda suck. knock off works only once and crunch and Dark pulse have 80 BP. and are still dominant whenever there is a stronger attack it gets silly pretty fast. (Hyperspace Fury!)
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Psychic is genuinely a bad type, both offensively and defensively. The offensive evidence is that barely any mons want psychic coverage as one of their move slots. It is a type with great mons, but don’t be delusional to think that the type is what makes them great.
This video felt addressed to me. I'm no game designer, but yhere's gotta be some happy medium between "spam shadow ball forever" and "i can't use shadow ball or I die"
Finally a short bkc video
The big issue with Psychic is that Bug is a terrible offensive typing mainly used for stuff like Choice banded U-Turns. And it's the offensive Psychics that tend to specialize in hit and run tactics, so good luck finding the right timing to get one of those in on one.
And when it comes to the walls like Lugia, Reuniclus and Cresselia, they're often designed to be able to switch in to big Special attacks, so stray Dark Pulse and Shadow Ball attacks as coverage moves are rarely going to scare them off.
This leadsto EXTREME answers like massive buffs to Knock Off/Leech Life, and practical/literal immunes like Kingambit and Aegislash that just end up being too lopsided in as answers to be balanced in Doubles and Singles respectively.
we have hit the breaking point of Psychic/Ghost balancing with Calyrex-Shadow
Calyrex-Shadow in Sword and Shield is probably up there for being hard to deal with. Pursuit was nonexistent so you could not punish it for switching. It had access to Trick which crippled Yveltal and that was the most common Shadow-Rider check. Yveltal would have to deal with Shadow Rider while holding a Choice Scarf and with rocks up on the field. Many variants did not out speed Shadow Rider with Choice Scarf either. Calyrex-Shadow could eventually break through Yveltal over the course of the game through a hit and run style and it did not need to worry about residual damage because it gained Heavy-Duty Boots from Yveltal. To make matters worse, it also had access to Baton Pass which bypasses Pursuit anyway. In AG, it could Nasty Plot and pass its boosts to Geomancy Xerneas, Kyogre or Dynamax Yveltal. While Scarlet Violet did introduce Terrestrialization, I've heard people say Calyrex-Shadow was harder to consistently handle in Galar due to it being far more unpredictable.
Heck, possibly because it was the one time they gave an actually-powerful spread move, even Calyrex-Ice Rider can be hard to deal with, though as a slow Ice type not that hard.
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I played gen 4-6 competively, I rarely used Pursuit for two reasons:
1: I'll be real, I was bad with it.
2: I could often bluff it anyway - most people would think (rightfully to some degree) that me not having it would be stupid, assuming I had 1 less move slot.
2 is valid but yeah it was mostly 1 lol.
I think Psychics were meant to be a weak type in the chart but the mons were all very strong. It’s why Lugia is a Psychic type because it was meant to represent its overwhelming power. It’s similar to dragon in that way.
However as more mons got added, the less the Psychic mons were special in that regard. More and more powerful steel, dark, and especially ghost types rose up and psychics didn’t really bring anything that other mons couldn’t unless they were broken outside of their typing like the laties and the cell.
Espathra with Speed Boost & Stored Power
@@MaahirMomtaz12 and it was always better when it tera’d to not be psychic type
Its kinda weird since the game started with Psychic being strong. Psychic issues in Gen 1 was something thats not "intended by the type chart" since its strictly meta oriented(in game Psychic hits most things SE. Meta Psychic is resisted by at least 30% of what your facing, sometimes 80% and Mewtwo makes Psychic sucks so bad the meta with Mewtwo averages 150 turns) and this idea lasts to gen 4 before they swap to Dragons
It also kinda make me wonder what Dragon quest shit leads there lmao since the psychic counterpart in DQ isnt exactly.... strong
I like that Psychic type was also just a Kanto type (a type that is only good because of Kanto jank, or the leftover design decisions from Kanto up to Gen 4), in addition to Ice and Normal types. Apparently, at least Ice type has turn into just the speedy sweeper type.
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BKC assuming you had complete freedom with balancing such as someone making a fangame how would you fix those typings without the reintroduction of pursuit? New types to the chart? Changing resists and weaknesses? Nerfing ghost stabs?
And Ghosts will never stop being busted as long as the only good "Normals" are Extreme Killers like Tera Dragonite and Arceus. The Chansey line can tank the Special attacking ghosts well enough, but does little to actually hurt them back, while Physical ones can just smack it away with Knock Off or something. Farigiraf is a neat concept as a Psychic with Ghost immunity, but feels too "balanced" compared to the handful of Psychic types people find annoying to deal with.
Farigiraf seems like it was introduced in Gen 3, statwise. High HP, mixed attacker, kinda weak defenses and slow.
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It's freaking me out not seeing the showdown build screen.
Pursuit my beloved ❤💔
Random thought but maybe pursuit only working against types it's super effective against would be a somewhat fair way to "balance" it 🤔 keeping it's "intended" purpose while cutting down some of the 50/50s (think Banded Weavile vs Zard Y etc)
Not to say those scenarios are the most pressing or what people most complained about but I feel like that's a reasonable touch up to the move if there was to be one, just spitballin
Here's how I'd nerf Ghost and Dark:
Just make Bug resist both.
To buff Psychic defensively (does it really need it? Idk)
Just make it resist Fairy.
kingambit: nah id win
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Another big application of Pursuit being lost is see how good Slowking Galar has become or bulky regen cores in general.
I kid you not even Specs Keldeo is literally never breaking past just Boots Slowking G. It does 48% max with Hydro and so you will literally never be able to break past it if it has good water resist/immune team mates. You can never click the fighting move. I was so sad to see it being this unviable. Your Specs mon will be unable to do any meaningful damage let alone act as your breaker.
Lol just ran into a mega gar team when i randomly put my mega zam on my lets go... I smiled.
I came for the pokemon, I stayed for the jawline.
Thank you for bringing back face cam 🫡
That pink lighting is making me feel a certain way.
me, a Gen 9 AG player;
We got the ghost psychic horse cooking everything as always and it's awesome
I would never expect a pokemon player to be such a chad
Honestly, it'd be funny if you got a whiteboard to randomly draw on as you explain stuff ngl
This is the first i ever saw you 😮!! Its about damn time lol!!
I'm all for strong psychics and ghosts, it feels true to the manga
Call me psychic, but soon it'll be Christmas in July exclusively on BKC's channel. There's a ghost of a chance he'll actually shave by July though
Getting those Christmas lights up early eh?
What are you talking about there's all kinds of coverage for psychic and ghosts dark type moves are everywhere
Psychic isn't even that strong of a type. It's mainly the mons that are powerful.
Ghost on the other hand is very busted, and deservedly needs a nerf. Fairy could also use a nerf.
old money has been paying game freak behind the scenes to make sure ghost types rise to the top
Just run sucker punch (this is rage bait)
Too many get trick, too many get high quality coverage moves for the steels and dark types. Fairy really buffed these mons because so many get moonblast or at worst dazzling gleam now.
We just need more diverse resists to psychic and ghost. They just put steel and dark in gen 2 and said “that’s good”.
it is good just look at kingambit
Yeah, but Kingambit is the only Pokémon that can do that. Yeah, all evolutionary stages of Pawniard block Psychic and resist Ghost typings, and are otherwise both very good, but what if the metas does not accommodate any of the Pawniard line?
pursuit definitely would be able to exist in the current landscape and still be nerfed as gf wanted because most dark weak mons worth their name have pivoting of some kind
Dragapult is going to uturn out of ttar all day and hit a hydro when it gets bored, nothing would change except for when its not running that which is the majority of the time aka a good change
also gholdengo just makes it rain on you so it truly dont matter
you don’t know how pursuit works
u turn pult gets hit with full power pursuit, also I have never seen a pult run hydro pump
fair point on ghold tho
@@midnightemerald i do infact not know how pursuit works what the hell
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They mean pult uturns as ttar comes in, chunking it significantly. It also just will o wisps it on switch in and then pivots out with minimal punishment on boots sets.
Gholdengo smacks it with +2 make it rain and that’s that.
Lemme put it this way. National dex meta games this gen have pursuit and base Ttar is unviable there anyways. Mega Ttar is good, but the extra stats are necessary to compete
It's still relevant to note that Pult U-turning on the ttar switch is really annoying to wear it down, though it may spam Draco or Shadow Ball less if the Pursuit threat is there
I think the Steel nerf to not resist Ghost was one of the worst balance decisions they've made.
Also I came in thinking that you were going to complain about how Ghost is much, much, much better than Psychic which IMO is also a pretty significant problem.
These intros give me "today's subject: slavery" kinda vibes
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>gamefreak dropped the ball
mons in a nutshell
Glowking switching infinitely in gen 8 ou is so absurd if pursuit was still around it would be nu but nooooo it and pult get to just fuck around and never get punished its so annoying
Lmao no. It was a great Pokémon last gen in national dex OU meta game, where pursuit exists. And it’s top tier this gen in national dex… where pursuit exists. It’s amazing for a number of reasons and pursuit would not make it unviable
Pursuit doesn't get boosted if you use a switching move
@@MaahirMomtaz12 Yes it does. The only switch moves that aren't affected by pursuit are Baton Pass and Teleport.
I think Psychic was fine after gen 2. But ghost got too OP
Nice arms
Omg you look good boy❤
BKC, I know you'r answome and everything, but I want to see battles in a Pokemon strategic video, not your face only 😅😅😅
Havent watch the video, but i agree. Pursuit has to come back
They killed dragon stab in Gen 6 lol
The obvious answer is to make Bug resist both and super-effective against Ghost and to add Bug-type Pursuit only learned by Bug types.
I think Grass type was designed really well in relation to the type chart & how the type interacts with its resists & weaknesses.
The type gets smacked by 5 types for SE damage & has 7 types that resist it offensively. The tradeoffs are very good though. Half of the type has access to sleep powder & leech seed. The type also has loads of healing moves & is one of the few types that deal SE damage to water types.
Psychic is *really* hard to judge. Psychic usually had very physically exploitable stats & most were fast & frail attackers. Then gen 3 hit & started making more *very* bulky ones. Gen 4 had it right for both ghosts & psychics. Ghost always had the very good niche of being immune to crazy moves like Explosion. So, making moves like SR gave the type much more value because keeping hazards on the field was paramount. Most ghosts could also learn Will-O, giving them a way they could shit on pursuit users if they had the bulk & hp reserves (even though Will-o had a 25% miss chance at the time). Ghost had a valuable role outside of the type chart, & that was gatekeeping rapid spinners.
Psychic on paper looks to be one of the best types logically, but was kept down by some annoying blindspots (the lack of fairy & reliable fighting type coverage made annoying blindspots). Ghost becoming neutral to Steel was a *really* crazy buff. Ghost type moves also have really annoying secondary effects, which make them even more low risk, high reward. Psychic having only two resists to it offensively, while giving many fighting & fairy coverage was a little overkill. Fighting coverage use met they were walled by opposing psychic types. Using ghost met that dark types could check them harder. Fairy coverage was the unneeded safety net they didnt need if pursuit got removed.
Nowadays, Ghost & psychic have one major issue. Both types role compression. Shadow Ball is *extremely* powerful. It covers too much. Psychic is just a tad too versatile.
I think this dynamic also helped reveal that fairy did *not* fix the type chart, but it just made the flaws more apparent.
I have an idea: Give Steel back it’s Resistance to Ghost and give Rock a Ghost Resist as well
Edit and bug
Steel should have never lost its ghost and dark resists
nerf pikachu
Psychic is so much worse than Ghost its not even funny
Who knew BKC was a Gigachad.
ummm actually Pursuit isn't the ONLY way to deal with Psychics and Ghosts 😂
fifty shades of grey looking guy
bro rly talking about balancing in a game thats never been balanced
What is the point of the face cams with random intros? Can we go back to older vids?
they're much easier to make quickly and when my days end around midnight as they have lately that's kinda important. it won't last (I hope!). pretty sure I've always had random intros though
@@BKCplaysPokemonwell i actually really like them, the little introduction explaining what got you into the mood of talking about this specific part of competitive pokemon are not only humorous but they give your videos a little more character (which they don't need since your content is already incredibly unique in the pokemon scene in general). Also its fun watching you do chores or just sit with the camera. I know they were always going to be temporary but if you find them good enough to stay, just know there are lots of things to enjoy about them.
@@BKCplaysPokemonI love facecam more than faceless if that helps
I definitely agree with the face cam part, but random intro is like: come on, we been through his personal tangents before, it's fun and gives more character to the videos. I think BKC looks like a Chad as much as the next guy, but frankly I like the podcast style better and am just tired of people in every video commenting the same thing about his looks. Yes he looks great, can we move on now?
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