This is the full story of how Ash's Charizard rose fell and maybe had a big comeback #pokemon #ash #pokemonanime #charizard If you are reading this plz sub :3
Can you tell me why Pikachu is so powrful? I vaguely remember Team Rocket tied Pikachu to a nuclear reactor and it got a boost in power or the pikachu was never in the pokeball and it expolitently excel its power level?
As even a young kid, I can't tell you how upset I was at charizard refusing to fight getting ash disqualified. I was fuming. To this day all these years later I'm still fuming.
Yep think we all felt Ash's loss on that ep. When the referee said Ash was disqualified sucked lol. The Pokemon League episodes were my favorite though!
@trevhart2124 blud u ain't no pokemon fan.....get outta here....find on your own.....and be grateful that you are given the chance to find something on your own in ur whole life 🤡
@SecurityBreachShowfanMatt It was during the events of Charicific Valley. Charizard ended up in the water below, barely keeping its tail up above water level. It was falling asleep and TR made sure its tail doesn't get submerged by throwing small rocks at it and keeping it awake.
Yeah, Charmander was so caring and adored Ash. So I don't understand either why his personality changed so much after evolving. Is that why Pikachu refused to evolve in one of episodes? We'll never know.
Dude got a Pikachu that disliked him until he saved that electric rat's life and a Pokedex, told to catch things and kicked out of Palet Town with the clothes he had on his back. AT TEN. 😂 The fact he didn't die night one out in the rain being pecked by Spearows is surprising.
I love how Pikachu won the final match against Leon but damn do I wish Charizard had a little arc where he makes up for the Indigo League by either beating Leons Charizard or at least pushed it to the point where we all know Pikachu won because or Charizards efforts to beat Leons.
@tokyodriftmon2014 yeah but they weren't for the big one. Sure he proved his loyalty and power with said wins and but it would have rhymed like poetry like George Lucas once said. Helping Ash win the championship in a meaningfully way would have accomplished that in a better way in my opinion.
That charizard episode is crazy because ash cared for him since day 1 and literally begged him to at least try to get a win. As an adult that hits different
I remember watching that Charizard vs Magmar fight in 2000 with my friends, when i was 10. It was like one of the most important episodes we ever watched. It was like watching world cup finals. I will never forget it. We rushed straight from school back home with snacks and drinks just not to miss it...good times
lol me to ! I remember all my friends talking about it at school on Friday. When it aired for us on Saturday we all came back to school that Monday so hyped charizard won. Legendary !
@infiniterer287 I gotta put it to #2 when it came to Gohan and Cell though. The WTF moment we had when Goku sent out his son to fight had us furious. 😂
It always annoys me that it literally took like 200 episodes for Ash's Charizard to not be an asshole anymore and respect Ash as a trainer. I personally feel like that's way too long for character development.
tbh in real life.. if you were ever betrayed and abandoned while at your lowest..chances are it would take you at least that long to recover and be able to trust other people again
when I was a kid, I wasn’t really watching that analytically and never really considered the possibility that charizards behavior was a trauma response. That adds a whole layer of depth
Never made sense to me. He was cool as a Charmander. Evolution just changed his personality for no reason. It was never explained. And then when they have a breakthrough he gets given away. Worst arc, tuned it out and never looked back
@MartynBorthwickso what happens to pokemon that evolve? Their personalities just get reset? Makes no sense, they keep their memories. Evolving shouldn't kill charmander and his personality
The sad thing is the Charizard arc really made me drop the anime for a long time. It just felt that nothing Ash did ever mattered and the anime would always force him to lose to keep the series going. Other than the Orange Island league, which no one seems to really respect Ash wasn't allowed to win anything for a long long time.
@redredpanda_2 You have to also remember the theme of the first or so season. It was about becoming a Pokemon master, and the whole theme song was about "Gotta Catch them All". Yet not only does Ash barely catch anything he seemed to constantly let go of his strongest pokemon be it Charizard, Butterfree, Squirtle etc. Add to that Ash basically losing every match it got a bit annoying. But as you say I eventually picked it up again. Watched Johto and such. Sort of dropped off again after they got Iris though, can't remember what season that was.
@youngf.l.y.1467 One the biggest issues was Ash was the "protagonist". Every time something needed to be explained for people who never played the games (or even watched another episode of the series) Ash had to be the idiot to ask the question. This made him seem really stupid as basic facts he learned in a previous episode never really carried over to the next.
@Sovereign-kh4ng And it never excuses it. There's a difference between there being a reason for it, and it being excuseable. Someone refusing to face up to their own issues, is not an excuse for them fucking over others - Especially not others that helped them, and abusing their trust in turn. I say this as someone with my own life stories, so don't give me that shit. Most of the time it's based in a from of cowardice, refusing to face their own issues. But even if there's some level to it being understandable, it's NOT excuseable. Anyone who thinks it is either eating some gaslighting story, or self-centered to the point of delusion.
To he fair at that point Ash had so many ace mons it was hard to find a spot for charizard. Hell, you could argue he had numerous mons that the had a much closer bond with than he ever did with Charizard. Infernape for example was essentially the same story as Charizard but much more fleshed out and a central plot of the Sinnoh Arc.
@user-gm4kv2my4u Maybe following the anime makes you feel it some other way by knowing deeper stories and characters but for me who dropped the series early on, while I was still a kid, Charizard was the Pokémon I always wanted to have as a partner, the favourite one from the first gen games so for me the nostalgia is a huge factor in this 🥰
@user-gm4kv2my4uno It wasn't. Ash and his Kanto pokemon have the best chemistry with him after pikachu. There were only a few more pokemon like them later in the show. And imo charizard should have been there. He could have redeemed himself. He was the only stage 3 evolution of Kanto that ash did not leave behind. Pikachu had its moment in alola. They could have showed some respect to charizard who almost died twice before becoming the beast he is now
I was aging out of Pokémon when Ash lost the the League because of Charizard's apathy. When the Ash lost, I was pretty much done. I was also annoyed that I watched this Charmander get brought in from abandonment only to grow up and repetitively bite that hand that feeds.
Well yeah man, the first season was aired over almost 2 years. If you were 11 when it started you could've been 13 by the time Ash got to the indigo plateau, at which point you could definitely have been aging out of it. Kids likes and dislikes are fickle, especially as a teenager. I mean just look at charmelion
A great theory is always the badges. Ash earned most of his badges on technicalities or gifts for helping beat team Rocket. Especially in the early seasons of Kanto. If you consider the badge mechanics in the game it's very likely Charizard didn't even consider half the badges Ash had as earned, making his respect even less. After all if it's about "proving your strength" how much strength is really proven when all you do is lose a match and then have Team rocket interrupt it and then blow them up?
@kurokamireaper3761I don’t think it could be considered a pity win. Yeah they lost the battle with the gym trainer but they won the battle AND saved countless Pokémon from team rocket. They did win. They just won a different battle.
The thing is, the badges being needed for the player to control their Pokémon is only in the games so to prevent newcomers from being able to steamroll the game by getting their friends to trade them high-level Pokémon. Not to mention, there seems to be no evidence that the anime adapts such a mechanic.
@ThunderZoltash didn't actually earn most of his badges up to that point most were given by beating the worst members of team rocket that are extremely easy to beat one of them gets beaten by his own pokemon even
if thats true y pikachu only know 4 move though out all the seasons or only used 4 different moves in each battle and y some character bring up pps@natalimoina
@idontneedher7180 Pokemon generally only know 4 moves in the anime, though they don't bother being too consistent with this except for with Pikachu. When have they brought up pp? And what does any of this have to do with what I said? The badge thing is never mentioned in the show, nor would it make sense logically outside being a game mechanic.
Charizard was such wasted potential. Even as a kid I remember feeling cheated out of the experience, because Ash absolutely SUCKED at getting Pokemon to evolve and we never got to see him use any of the really cool Pokemon. He finally gets a stage 3 evolution of his own and it's nothing but a shitshow from start to finish. There's really not even a "redemption", it's just a shitty, stubborn Charizard left to be the weakest of a bunch of other Charizards.
Yeah I agree, I always loved the Pokemon anime and the scene of Ash leaving Charizard is one of the most emotional I ever watched, but in retrospective the anime feels like a nerfed version of the game. You never got to see what you always wanted to see and Charizard attitude is just the first example.
Wow this is the worst way to describe Ash’s Charizard. He’s an icon who’s character development and tough rebellious phases helped to flesh out the personality of Pokemon and set the foundation of future Fire starters and aces of Ash alike
@rickyronny4019 I didn't like the Indigo Plateau ending and Ash is not a great trainer imo but I think the reason for some pokemon disobeying is that they were animals that aren't normally domesticated. Charizard = Dragon Primeape: Ape Haunter: Ghost. They had volatile personalities and ash often struggled reigning them in
Charizard fought in the Johto league in the most epic battle of the series against Gary's Blastoise. He was the sole reason Ash won that match, but Charizard also barely lost to a Blaziken in the next round, on their last pokemon.
Why can’t they have the charizard not obey by performing the wrong move? And when he sees ash irritated he could just tap the ball and go back inside saying “fine do it yourself ash or become a charizard yourself”
I'm glad you explained us the perspective of Charizard on why he was acting that way. And it makes sense that he would have a Superiority Complex. Damian wanted Stronger Pokemon and he viewed Charmander as weak at the time, but now with all this strength and power he won't let anyone think he's weak ever again, only sacrificing any loyalty and friendship he had with Ash and the rest of the Pokemon until 'Charizard Chills.' Where not only does he see his error of his ways, but has finally realized Ash really wasn't like Damian, he truly cared about him so he respected Ash once again
9:08 tbh i believe its because mewtwo messed with their memories at the end of the movie and everybody lowkey forgot bout what happened , its not just because ash just revived and charizard returned to bein a brat.
@zoienjooy Imo Charizard's battle against Blastoise meant so much more. It was against freaking Gary! The only time Ash ever beat his childhood rival, and it was with his greatest accomplishment as a trainer, his Charizard.
Ash never got 2 gym badges legitimately (Brock and Misty) and they were given to him out sheer pity due to how poor he was at battling. It's no wonder Charizard never listened to him.
He never mentions when he flys across the world pretty much to save Pikachu an ash in the movie an he never says anything about that this peris right you may need to watch the video again
If charizard didn’t disobey ash in the indigo league, ash might’ve actually won. At the very least, ash would’ve gone so much farther in the league than he did. I don’t really understand how the pokemon league actually works in the anime. If somebody wins the league tournament, do they fight the elite four and the champion? If so, I don’t know if ash could’ve won had charizard been obedient to him because the elite four and lance feel like an end goal for ash. I’m kinda bummed we never got to see ash fight against the elite four back then, the way we do in the video games. Instead in the anime the Pokémon league is like a tournament, it’s confusing. A good way that ash could’ve dealt with charizard/charmeleon being disobedient was if ash had used his other pokemon. That’s another thing I thought was weird about the anime. Ash ended up winning all these badges while having many first stage pokemon. His squirtle and bulbasaur never even evolved. His squirtle and bulbasaur were very strong despite never evolving. I wish that they got as much focus as charizard did, especially because he obtained all three of them around the same time. They could’ve at least became a wartortle and ivysaur at some point and he could’ve relied on them a little more. The anime did that with other trainers too. Many of them were competing in the Pokémon league despite not having fully evolved Pokémon. Ritchie is a good example of this because his team was very weak but there was also that girl that fought ash in the Pokémon league that had a bellsprout on her team. How are we supposed to take the Pokémon league seriously when her ACE was a bellsprout and it was fighting against ash’s muk? I mean, were we supposed to believe that was an even matchup? I think the anime focused on charizard so much because of how popular charizard became and they wanted charizard to be the starter pokemon associated with ash. I think a lot of the popularity charizard got came from his portrayal in the anime. The anime gave him personality and characterization that weren’t given nearly as much to the other Pokémon ash had. I loved the indigo league anime but it didn’t feel like it had much of a plot and it was very episodic. A lot of the focus should’ve been on ash fighting the elite four and building them up as characters/trainers. I wished it was more true to how things worked in the video games. I think it was because they wanted the anime to go on for as long as they could but it made it feel like it was full of filler.
Evolution does not inherently mean gaining power, that's only a game thing. Also, there isn't actually filler in pokemon. The whole of the journey is very important to Ash and everyone and the story.
Technically most if not all of the anime is filler, with the non-filler parts being when a player-insert character from the games (For example May) fights a gym leader
Funny enough i knew Ash wouldnt make it to the elite four for the whole fact Gary was eliminated earlier. Meaning they didn't plan for that to happen given the rival is always a step ahead in the games to build up for the final fight of first gen games. I thought the anime would end with Ash winning the league and his final opponent would be Gary, just like the game making me believe the game spoiled me the ending and i was hyped to see it happen on the show, where Ash would finally prove he's better than him but once that premise popped up I guessed they planned to make him lose in one of the brackets. Also in the version i played which we all at school bought after the anime one of the names you could pick was Ash and Gary for the rival, so we never realized that Red and Green around our friend's group actually were different people. Where Red was a completely skilled and talented natural at being a trainer unlike Ash and that Green despite having an ego flaunting issue was still kinda more respectful on Red at the end and not a full on jerk like gary.
Ash wasn't a great trainer. The Pokemon with more "unpredictable" tendencies like Charizard(dragon), Primeape (Monkey) and Haunter (ghost) he failed to tame. He also didn't evolve most his pokemon like you mentioned, and often did not switch pokemon if there was a clear type disadvantage.
Charizard was an ungrateful pos for aaaaaages. Charmander was so sweet and Ash legit saved Charmander. Unlike Bulba and Squirtle who he mostly helped out.
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess because his former slave owner treated him so badly that he almost died. - And pretty obvious Charizard specifically was never a slave to Ash, he did whatever he wanted. He could have easily flown off and never came back.
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess A slave doesn’t get to sleep if his master wants it, Ash is a moron and shitty trainer but he is NOT a slaver, his Pokemon are VERy content mooching off him.
@BrianHallmond sorry for bothering for a late response but, like a comment said, if you almost die and left by your own trainer, it would be HARD to cope if another one tries to help you, you gain tons of trust issues
I stopped watching pokemon for a min and never really finished season 1 so seeing this video made me want to go back and finish it! 13:55 I almost teared a bit from this 😅
Yup. It likely would have turned out different if the first thing Ash sent him out on wasn't to throw a fight against the weakest pokemon ever. Though, likely better for Charizard in the long run.
Honestly hated the disobedience storyline because next to Pikachu Charizard should have been the most loyal to Ash. He was found and nursed back to health after his garbage trainer abandoned him and Ash has loved Charizard since he was that abandoned Charmander, experience or not you don’t turn on the one person who loved and cared for you when no one else did. Also Charizard disobeying Ash because he thought he was weak is no better than Damien abandoned Charmander because he thought he was weak, just saying. I did not like that era lol
Agreed. Pikachu’s not listening a few times early on made sense, as both it and Ash had to get to know each, but Charizard shouldn’t have had that excuse upon evolving into Charmeleon. It just dragged on imo.
Charizard threw hands with Drake's Dragonite as well. He lost obviously lost but weakened it enough for Pikachu to finish him off. One of the few times I enjoyed Pikachu getting the final KO.
i think charmander always had doubts ever since he was abandoned, which was triggered after it evolved into Charmeleon and then, as egotistical Charizard. After it got hit by Poliwrath's Ice Beam attack and Ash worked really hard to revive it, it realized Ash genuinely cared about him and became 100% obedient and understood Ash was not abandoning it when he left it at the Valley. at it came back even stronger than before
Please keep going with this level of introspection man. You have a real gift for bringing this stuff together and to life. Keep going despite any adversity you might have on the personal. You have a new subscriber in me
I remember that episode where charizard stays behind to train in the valley, then I didn't see him again until Pokemon movie 3 when ash was fighting entei and charizard shows up in the most amazing way
I think Ash being eliminated from the Indigo League was fitting for where he was at. He is a trainer that got lucky his whole way there, most of his badges were given to him, he happened to catch a lot of strong Pokemon despite not using them much like Muk and Kingler, and he happened upon a very strong charmander. He was very inexperienced at this point, he should have been weeded out long before that point. Charizard deciding to take a nap and costing him the match was a fitting end for his league run
Charizard deserved so much more. His last official battle was against Brandon's Dusklops. Which he lost due to Ash's stupidity. The writers did him so dirty. They didn't even let Charizard beat Iris' Dragonite even though he was about to win. He never got a mega even though it would have been amazing to see him making a triumphant return. I see that he could have returned either in XYZ or in Journeys (or both).
I didn’t even realize that when ash told charizard to stay at the valley he didn’t take it as Ash abandoning him just like Damien did instead he worked his ass off so that when the time came he could come thru for ash & reach his full potential, kind of wish he made a return in the sinnoh league against tobias
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If u played the games as long as u coughed the pokemon will listen to you, the player, traded/gifted pokemon dont u need the badges
Can you tell me why Pikachu is so powrful? I vaguely remember Team Rocket tied Pikachu to a nuclear reactor and it got a boost in power or the pikachu was never in the pokeball and it expolitently excel its power level?
great sharing
Charmelion was acting like your typical teenager
He was going through his rebellious age
Charmeleon is literally the awkward teenager phase haha.
Spelling is hard.
I wasn't like that as a teenager
@ZeeGan-i6e then your not typical that's good I guess
As even a young kid, I can't tell you how upset I was at charizard refusing to fight getting ash disqualified. I was fuming. To this day all these years later I'm still fuming.
us bro :(
Yep think we all felt Ash's loss on that ep. When the referee said Ash was disqualified sucked lol. The Pokemon League episodes were my favorite though!
I never liked Ash as a main character but I hated that episode because all the effort Pikachu & Kingler went thru went down the toilet
Us bro 😢
one of my pokemon just fuckt temselfe
YOU FORGOT TO MENTION HOW TEAM ROCKET STAYED UP ALL NIGHT TO MAKE SURE CHARIZARDS FIRE WAS NEVER PUT OUT!
Damn
What episode? I need to see the moment at least
Yes...true
@trevhart2124 blud u ain't no pokemon fan.....get outta here....find on your own.....and be grateful that you are given the chance to find something on your own in ur whole life 🤡
that was ash that did that not team rocket lol lol
@SecurityBreachShowfanMatt It was during the events of Charicific Valley. Charizard ended up in the water below, barely keeping its tail up above water level. It was falling asleep and TR made sure its tail doesn't get submerged by throwing small rocks at it and keeping it awake.
Charmander was my favorite character. After he evolved, the show didn't seem the same to me. Charmander had a heart of gold that was endearing, imo.
true. I remember when I skipped some episodes as kid and thought Ash has Charmander and Charizard separately xd because they were so different
hes like tyranitar but fire version
and a soul of silver
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Yeah, Charmander was so caring and adored Ash. So I don't understand either why his personality changed so much after evolving. Is that why Pikachu refused to evolve in one of episodes? We'll never know.
Ash leaving Charizard was the only episode that made me cry more than Bye Bye, Butterfree
Which episode is that?
Charizard makes a Return during the Johto region.
+ashes butterfree comes back in master juournears
So true 😢
I was so disappointed when he parted ways with Charizard because by that point in the show Charizard became my favourite Pokémon in the entire anime
A reminder that no one, not even Oak himself, gave Ash any real advice. Can't really be angry at our boy.
Dude got a Pikachu that disliked him until he saved that electric rat's life and a Pokedex, told to catch things and kicked out of Palet Town with the clothes he had on his back. AT TEN. 😂
The fact he didn't die night one out in the rain being pecked by Spearows is surprising.
Well, Ash should've learned something himself before he went to Oak to get his first pokemon, if he wanted to be a pokemon trainer so bad
He could barely get up to go to the lab.
@Vik_felLol, bro was 10yo
@JayceCH. And a 10 year old can't at least read?
I love how Pikachu won the final match against Leon but damn do I wish Charizard had a little arc where he makes up for the Indigo League by either beating Leons Charizard or at least pushed it to the point where we all know Pikachu won because or Charizards efforts to beat Leons.
Yeah your 100% spitting would’ve loved to see charizard have a get back
He beat Gary's blastoise and Noland's articuno
@tokyodriftmon2014 yeah but they weren't for the big one. Sure he proved his loyalty and power with said wins and but it would have rhymed like poetry like George Lucas once said. Helping Ash win the championship in a meaningfully way would have accomplished that in a better way in my opinion.
@tokyodriftmon2014dont remember noland but Gary was anoying even when i first watched the anime
Yeah I thought Charizard will come
That charizard episode is crazy because ash cared for him since day 1 and literally begged him to at least try to get a win. As an adult that hits different
Yeah 100% watching these as an adult make me see the deeper theme
Ash should have left Charmander in the rain. The other trainer was right. He was never anything but a headache
@chiquita683 ash believed in charmander, now charmander is very epic
@chiquita683dude if he did charimander would have Died did you forget if that fire on its tail gose out It does
it dies I ment
“Who needs a weak charizard anyway.”
Felt that line
That made me cry 😭😭
We all did.@rahulbarick3366
@rahulbarick3366 preach brother, it still hits my heart and soul when I watch that episode 😭
Pokemon fans: "frfr"
Also Pokemon fans: "terrible nature. Release. "
Another thing thst hits hard is that this is literally the exact same things charizard's old owner said when charizard was a charmander
I remember watching that Charizard vs Magmar fight in 2000 with my friends, when i was 10. It was like one of the most important episodes we ever watched. It was like watching world cup finals. I will never forget it. We rushed straight from school back home with snacks and drinks just not to miss it...good times
Yup, I remember the same. I've never seen a cartoon fight have that same impact ever since.
Mee too , but for me sinnoh battle with carl, where he uses infarnape that wss legendary, goosebumps @infiniterer287
lol me to ! I remember all my friends talking about it at school on Friday. When it aired for us on Saturday we all came back to school that Monday so hyped charizard won. Legendary !
@infiniterer287 I gotta put it to #2 when it came to Gohan and Cell though. The WTF moment we had when Goku sent out his son to fight had us furious. 😂
I used to watch these alone in my school uniform, getting ready for school. Golden days :')
Team rocket truly the unsung heros of all of anime
Plot drivers fr
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They saved the studio millions of dollars. Every episode would have at least 2 minutes of screen time recycled to do their intros lol.
They suck
Charizard is the only Pokémon I know that evolved simply out of spite
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Dawn Piloswine to Mamoswine kind of counts though lol.
James Magikarp?
Mankey when james kicked it
It always annoys me that it literally took like 200 episodes for Ash's Charizard to not be an asshole anymore and respect Ash as a trainer. I personally feel like that's way too long for character development.
That's just Japan's writing for you...great animation...The writing and character development not so much...
tbh in real life.. if you were ever betrayed and abandoned while at your lowest..chances are it would take you at least that long to recover and be able to trust other people again
@BurningFlamesofDivineDragonwhat are you yapping about, you just generalized every single japanese shows out there. Dumb opinion
Your right ngl@workdesu
@applepie1835Japan’s anime style is just, “don’t think about it, just go with it,” and it does get annoying after awhile.
when I was a kid, I wasn’t really watching that analytically and never really considered the possibility that charizards behavior was a trauma response. That adds a whole layer of depth
Never made sense to me. He was cool as a Charmander. Evolution just changed his personality for no reason. It was never explained. And then when they have a breakthrough he gets given away. Worst arc, tuned it out and never looked back
@kapytanhookcharmeleon is called a barbaric Pokémon in the Pokédex.
@MartynBorthwickso what happens to pokemon that evolve? Their personalities just get reset? Makes no sense, they keep their memories. Evolving shouldn't kill charmander and his personality
Memory doesn't overcome true nature. If a Pokémon evolves it's no longer the same Pokémon@kapytanhook
@MartynBorthwickdamn, so sad
*charizard is loafing around*
*charizard got enough and shot you with a gun*
*Charizard pretended not to notice*
Charizard won't obey
Charizard fled.
*Charizard fell asleep*
@4:35 fucking Gary oak managed to get 10 out of 8 badges in Kanto lmao what a fucking legend.
The sad thing is the Charizard arc really made me drop the anime for a long time. It just felt that nothing Ash did ever mattered and the anime would always force him to lose to keep the series going. Other than the Orange Island league, which no one seems to really respect Ash wasn't allowed to win anything for a long long time.
Yeah, same. I eventually went back but the Charizard thing was hard to get through.
Because ash is stupid lmao like alotta things are sheer luck and plot armor
@redredpanda_2 You have to also remember the theme of the first or so season. It was about becoming a Pokemon master, and the whole theme song was about "Gotta Catch them All". Yet not only does Ash barely catch anything he seemed to constantly let go of his strongest pokemon be it Charizard, Butterfree, Squirtle etc.
Add to that Ash basically losing every match it got a bit annoying. But as you say I eventually picked it up again. Watched Johto and such. Sort of dropped off again after they got Iris though, can't remember what season that was.
@youngf.l.y.1467 One the biggest issues was Ash was the "protagonist". Every time something needed to be explained for people who never played the games (or even watched another episode of the series) Ash had to be the idiot to ask the question.
This made him seem really stupid as basic facts he learned in a previous episode never really carried over to the next.
@JustaGuy_Gaming Yeah, I Also just dropped off in journeys after dropping of in sun and moon and then picking sun and moon back up a few years later.
3:01 I love how Pikachu joins in with Charmander's attack like "yeah fuck this guy" 😂🤣👌
Pikachu:yeah let’s beat his ah
After everything Ash did for Charmander it was sad to see how much charmeleon/charizard disrespected him.
@Sovereign-kh4ngtwo things can be true definitely suffered trauma but charizard was very disrespectful and horrible to ash
@Sovereign-kh4ng And it never excuses it. There's a difference between there being a reason for it, and it being excuseable. Someone refusing to face up to their own issues, is not an excuse for them fucking over others - Especially not others that helped them, and abusing their trust in turn.
I say this as someone with my own life stories, so don't give me that shit.
Most of the time it's based in a from of cowardice, refusing to face their own issues. But even if there's some level to it being understandable, it's NOT excuseable. Anyone who thinks it is either eating some gaslighting story, or self-centered to the point of delusion.
@Nyarlathotep_Flagg everyone has their personal opinions so sleep with it
@doctorsagro-vetltd.2795 Sense. Start making some.
Its because of how inexperienced ash was and the things Charmander went through. Charizard doesn't change until Charific Valley.
Ash finally becoming champion and not seeing Charizard being part of that team made me feel truly sad.
To he fair at that point Ash had so many ace mons it was hard to find a spot for charizard. Hell, you could argue he had numerous mons that the had a much closer bond with than he ever did with Charizard. Infernape for example was essentially the same story as Charizard but much more fleshed out and a central plot of the Sinnoh Arc.
@user-gm4kv2my4u Maybe following the anime makes you feel it some other way by knowing deeper stories and characters but for me who dropped the series early on, while I was still a kid, Charizard was the Pokémon I always wanted to have as a partner, the favourite one from the first gen games so for me the nostalgia is a huge factor in this 🥰
@user-gm4kv2my4uno It wasn't. Ash and his Kanto pokemon have the best chemistry with him after pikachu. There were only a few more pokemon like them later in the show. And imo charizard should have been there. He could have redeemed himself. He was the only stage 3 evolution of Kanto that ash did not leave behind. Pikachu had its moment in alola. They could have showed some respect to charizard who almost died twice before becoming the beast he is now
I was aging out of Pokémon when Ash lost the the League because of Charizard's apathy. When the Ash lost, I was pretty much done. I was also annoyed that I watched this Charmander get brought in from abandonment only to grow up and repetitively bite that hand that feeds.
that makes no sense, you were ''aging out'' of Pokemon during the first season? what?
Well yeah man, the first season was aired over almost 2 years. If you were 11 when it started you could've been 13 by the time Ash got to the indigo plateau, at which point you could definitely have been aging out of it. Kids likes and dislikes are fickle, especially as a teenager. I mean just look at charmelion
@zacharynaegele5263 some people never grew out of Pokemon
@zacharynaegele5263 what does that have to do with the shitty writing for charmander evolutions?
2:41 gas lighting charmander lol
A great theory is always the badges. Ash earned most of his badges on technicalities or gifts for helping beat team Rocket. Especially in the early seasons of Kanto. If you consider the badge mechanics in the game it's very likely Charizard didn't even consider half the badges Ash had as earned, making his respect even less. After all if it's about "proving your strength" how much strength is really proven when all you do is lose a match and then have Team rocket interrupt it and then blow them up?
Charizard hates plot armor..
@aSmolGothyou dont think someone would help? I absolutely do. The world is filled with people who wouldnt leave another person to suffer.
@TheCronotrigger1212 That is different. Helping is good, but getting the badge from helping is not it. Give him something else, but not a pity win.
@kurokamireaper3761I don’t think it could be considered a pity win. Yeah they lost the battle with the gym trainer but they won the battle AND saved countless Pokémon from team rocket. They did win. They just won a different battle.
The thing is, the badges being needed for the player to control their Pokémon is only in the games so to prevent newcomers from being able to steamroll the game by getting their friends to trade them high-level Pokémon. Not to mention, there seems to be no evidence that the anime adapts such a mechanic.
You forgot to mention that team Rocket stayed all night to make sure Charizards fire dont goes out 14:45
It was not team rocket I think you meant either ash or nurse joy
Yoooo we need more of these at least for the first generation of Ash's Pokemon
Will do man, I’ll do the complete story for more of Ash’s Pokémon’s
@ThunderZoltash didn't actually earn most of his badges up to that point most were given by beating the worst members of team rocket that are extremely easy to beat one of them gets beaten by his own pokemon even
did you do pikachu? he has an interesting backstory shown in journeys@ThunderZolt
nevermind i just saw it in the recommended list for the next video XD i'm 100% watching it@ThunderZolt
@dk4kja8 Thanks a lot dropping littens backstory tommorow soon!
“Ash and brock being the only sensible ones in the room”
-true words
well in season one remeber ashe was mostly given his badges not earned so his over level charizard wont obey him is normal
this is the anime though, not games
if thats true y pikachu only know 4 move though out all the seasons or only used 4 different moves in each battle and y some character bring up pps@natalimoina
@idontneedher7180 Pokemon generally only know 4 moves in the anime, though they don't bother being too consistent with this except for with Pikachu. When have they brought up pp? And what does any of this have to do with what I said? The badge thing is never mentioned in the show, nor would it make sense logically outside being a game mechanic.
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you said the game and show is differnt than why even bother following the games rule if that the case.@natalimoina
Charizard was such wasted potential. Even as a kid I remember feeling cheated out of the experience, because Ash absolutely SUCKED at getting Pokemon to evolve and we never got to see him use any of the really cool Pokemon. He finally gets a stage 3 evolution of his own and it's nothing but a shitshow from start to finish. There's really not even a "redemption", it's just a shitty, stubborn Charizard left to be the weakest of a bunch of other Charizards.
Yeah I agree, I always loved the Pokemon anime and the scene of Ash leaving Charizard is one of the most emotional I ever watched, but in retrospective the anime feels like a nerfed version of the game. You never got to see what you always wanted to see and Charizard attitude is just the first example.
Didn't Charizard go back to Ash eventually?
Wow this is the worst way to describe Ash’s Charizard. He’s an icon who’s character development and tough rebellious phases helped to flesh out the personality of Pokemon and set the foundation of future Fire starters and aces of Ash alike
@rickyronny4019 I didn't like the Indigo Plateau ending and Ash is not a great trainer imo but I think the reason for some pokemon disobeying is that they were animals that aren't normally domesticated.
Charizard = Dragon
Primeape: Ape
Haunter: Ghost.
They had volatile personalities and ash often struggled reigning them in
I always wished he had at least gotten a chance to evolve squirtle or bulbasaur. We never got a lot of screentime with the second-evolutions
Charizard had a Vegeta moment 😂😂😂
Krillin: If I had a dime for every time I got my ass kicked, I might not be in crippling debt! xD
The badge theory falls apart when it still didn't listen during the tournament.
They didn't want Charizard to obey as he would have won the league
No
Charizard fought in the Johto league in the most epic battle of the series against Gary's Blastoise. He was the sole reason Ash won that match, but Charizard also barely lost to a Blaziken in the next round, on their last pokemon.
@Paal2005 wasn't it ashs mistake for the loss
@jester8755 it often is. Ash doesn't evolve most his pokemon and rarely considers type advantages in his fights
Why can’t they have the charizard not obey by performing the wrong move? And when he sees ash irritated he could just tap the ball and go back inside saying “fine do it yourself ash or become a charizard yourself”
2:37 This shit caught me off guard. They turned Pokemon into so many memes. I was laughing my ass off bruH
In journeys, infernape challenged Charizard to a fight and lost so badly he left to ranch to cope 💀
Copium 100
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He went to Therapy. 🤣🤣
@Thisissirknight tell me you didn't watch the anime without telling me you didn't watch the anime:
🤣
"Things were finally looking up for this lizard"
lol
Ash and Charizard were legit brothers. Coming to each other rescue in times of need.
Damian = average pokimon go player
Wtf?
lmao
Yo fr accurate 💀!
I'm glad you explained us the perspective of Charizard on why he was acting that way. And it makes sense that he would have a Superiority Complex. Damian wanted Stronger Pokemon and he viewed Charmander as weak at the time, but now with all this strength and power he won't let anyone think he's weak ever again, only sacrificing any loyalty and friendship he had with Ash and the rest of the Pokemon until 'Charizard Chills.' Where not only does he see his error of his ways, but has finally realized Ash really wasn't like Damian, he truly cared about him so he respected Ash once again
If it was me, Charizard would’ve gotten taken to the woods and got that old yeller send off 😂
I actually wrote a fic when I was a teenager about that lol I was so angry after I saw that episode that it was my way of venting off my rage.
@aaron90omar Pokémon should’ve picked that episode up 😂
@aaron90omar it could’ve been one of those forbidden/banned episodes 😂
@rio6524Lol Let's just say that I went overboard with making Ash taking revenge on Charizard and Team Rocket xD Guy was out for blood!
@aaron90omar ….good
😂
Charizard rolled up twice in the most epic fashion.. that was peak drama
9:08 tbh i believe its because mewtwo messed with their memories at the end of the movie and everybody lowkey forgot bout what happened , its not just because ash just revived and charizard returned to bein a brat.
Charmander evolving is kinda like puberty tho 😂
At the end the onions were kicking in.... 🤧
Charmeleon Became an angsty teen
The throwback man...thank you for bringing back that piece of childhood
My best childhood Pokemon. Love the fight with magmar. The way he made the comeback
Man, you completely forgot how Ash's Charizard beats Gary's Blastoise.
And the greatest victory of charizard defeating an articuno
That was completely wild
@zoienjooy Imo Charizard's battle against Blastoise meant so much more. It was against freaking Gary! The only time Ash ever beat his childhood rival, and it was with his greatest accomplishment as a trainer, his Charizard.
LOL Ash's Charizard was one of the strongest characters in all of the Pokemon series.
@zoienjooyI mean type advantage exists
14:15 Its butterfree all over again! 😢
I just realized Damian is just an early and unimportant Paul
2:14 a straight BUM
He completely fumbled char char!!!
This lizard would been off my team lol 😂.
It’s crazy that 27 years later the story of charmander being abandoned still hits me
team rocket has a heart afterall
Yeah that pissed me off watching Ash lose that way all that build up then Charizard fucked it up
Ash never got 2 gym badges legitimately (Brock and Misty) and they were given to him out sheer pity due to how poor he was at battling. It's no wonder Charizard never listened to him.
the overleveld pokemon mechanic makes this make so much more sense now that i think about it
How you left out charizard saving ash and Pikachu in Pokémon the movie is wild.
pretty sure he included the movie check again
@radgamez738 he added 3 seconds of the clip without even saying he saw ash on tv at the valley and showed up to save him and fight entei
He never mentions when he flys across the world pretty much to save Pikachu an ash in the movie an he never says anything about that this peris right you may need to watch the video again
Many things were left out and I don't even watch the anime lol Charizard made several come backs
Movies don’t count
Charmelion thought he was him
If charizard didn’t disobey ash in the indigo league, ash might’ve actually won. At the very least, ash would’ve gone so much farther in the league than he did. I don’t really understand how the pokemon league actually works in the anime. If somebody wins the league tournament, do they fight the elite four and the champion? If so, I don’t know if ash could’ve won had charizard been obedient to him because the elite four and lance feel like an end goal for ash. I’m kinda bummed we never got to see ash fight against the elite four back then, the way we do in the video games. Instead in the anime the Pokémon league is like a tournament, it’s confusing.
A good way that ash could’ve dealt with charizard/charmeleon being disobedient was if ash had used his other pokemon. That’s another thing I thought was weird about the anime. Ash ended up winning all these badges while having many first stage pokemon. His squirtle and bulbasaur never even evolved. His squirtle and bulbasaur were very strong despite never evolving. I wish that they got as much focus as charizard did, especially because he obtained all three of them around the same time. They could’ve at least became a wartortle and ivysaur at some point and he could’ve relied on them a little more. The anime did that with other trainers too. Many of them were competing in the Pokémon league despite not having fully evolved Pokémon. Ritchie is a good example of this because his team was very weak but there was also that girl that fought ash in the Pokémon league that had a bellsprout on her team. How are we supposed to take the Pokémon league seriously when her ACE was a bellsprout and it was fighting against ash’s muk? I mean, were we supposed to believe that was an even matchup?
I think the anime focused on charizard so much because of how popular charizard became and they wanted charizard to be the starter pokemon associated with ash. I think a lot of the popularity charizard got came from his portrayal in the anime. The anime gave him personality and characterization that weren’t given nearly as much to the other Pokémon ash had. I loved the indigo league anime but it didn’t feel like it had much of a plot and it was very episodic. A lot of the focus should’ve been on ash fighting the elite four and building them up as characters/trainers. I wished it was more true to how things worked in the video games. I think it was because they wanted the anime to go on for as long as they could but it made it feel like it was full of filler.
Evolution does not inherently mean gaining power, that's only a game thing. Also, there isn't actually filler in pokemon. The whole of the journey is very important to Ash and everyone and the story.
Technically most if not all of the anime is filler, with the non-filler parts being when a player-insert character from the games (For example May) fights a gym leader
Funny enough i knew Ash wouldnt make it to the elite four for the whole fact Gary was eliminated earlier. Meaning they didn't plan for that to happen given the rival is always a step ahead in the games to build up for the final fight of first gen games.
I thought the anime would end with Ash winning the league and his final opponent would be Gary, just like the game making me believe the game spoiled me the ending and i was hyped to see it happen on the show, where Ash would finally prove he's better than him but once that premise popped up I guessed they planned to make him lose in one of the brackets.
Also in the version i played which we all at school bought after the anime one of the names you could pick was Ash and Gary for the rival, so we never realized that Red and Green around our friend's group actually were different people. Where Red was a completely skilled and talented natural at being a trainer unlike Ash and that Green despite having an ego flaunting issue was still kinda more respectful on Red at the end and not a full on jerk like gary.
Ash wasn't a great trainer. The Pokemon with more "unpredictable" tendencies like Charizard(dragon), Primeape (Monkey) and Haunter (ghost) he failed to tame.
He also didn't evolve most his pokemon like you mentioned, and often did not switch pokemon if there was a clear type disadvantage.
i love in between sometimes team rocket becomes wholesome heros ❤
Charizard was an ungrateful pos for aaaaaages. Charmander was so sweet and Ash legit saved Charmander. Unlike Bulba and Squirtle who he mostly helped out.
By ages if you mean a few episodes,then yeah
Why should charizard be grateful for being a slave
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess because his former slave owner treated him so badly that he almost died.
- And pretty obvious Charizard specifically was never a slave to Ash, he did whatever he wanted. He could have easily flown off and never came back.
@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess A slave doesn’t get to sleep if his master wants it, Ash is a moron and shitty trainer but he is NOT a slaver, his Pokemon are VERy content mooching off him.
@BrianHallmond sorry for bothering for a late response but, like a comment said, if you almost die and left by your own trainer, it would be HARD to cope if another one tries to help you, you gain tons of trust issues
Charmander- the nice child
Charmeleon- the brat
Charizard- the brat but change into the nice child
Ash abandoned his charizard because the show believed the Pokemon had ran its course, and wanted to make room for new ones in the story.
I guess Ash didn't collect enough gym badges for Charizard to listen to him.
Im not crying through multiple key points in my chilhood through out this video. Just got something in my eye is all
I can't stop laughing at 2:42 for some reason when you said he started "gaslighting charmander" 😭. Video was amazing man love it.
Ash was Charizards side trainer... we've all been a back up before. Damian broke charmander emotionally, and mentally.
Now this is a realistic take. Like how some rescue dogs struggle.
I love how Pikachu was like "Yeah, get that bum ex trainer of yours, Charmander! Here, let me help."
I stopped watching pokemon for a min and never really finished season 1 so seeing this video made me want to go back and finish it! 13:55 I almost teared a bit from this 😅
The indigo league incident was hopelessly depressing as a kid
To be fair to Charmeleon though he probably felt excited to have evolved and tells him to throw a fight.
Yup. It likely would have turned out different if the first thing Ash sent him out on wasn't to throw a fight against the weakest pokemon ever. Though, likely better for Charizard in the long run.
It says in the Pokédex that if charmeleon gets choosing to fight someone it sticks what it wants ash wanted charmeleon’s task ruined
I do like how Ash Charizard followed the trade mechanic that the Pokemon doesn’t obey you if you haven’t got enough badges 😅
Honestly hated the disobedience storyline because next to Pikachu Charizard should have been the most loyal to Ash. He was found and nursed back to health after his garbage trainer abandoned him and Ash has loved Charizard since he was that abandoned Charmander, experience or not you don’t turn on the one person who loved and cared for you when no one else did. Also Charizard disobeying Ash because he thought he was weak is no better than Damien abandoned Charmander because he thought he was weak, just saying. I did not like that era lol
Agreed. Pikachu’s not listening a few times early on made sense, as both it and Ash had to get to know each, but Charizard shouldn’t have had that excuse upon evolving into Charmeleon. It just dragged on imo.
Pokémon don’t respect noobs and I don’t either. I agree with Charizard
It followed the game. Pokemon at higher levels don't obey
@PsychoMantis308 false. Raichu.
That’s what happens in real life sometimes
This was my entire childhood. I still cry about it.
You just compared Charizard to luka. Bro your such a legend ☠️
11:10 that lizard is off my team 😂😂😂😂 deaddd
Still loved when ash’s charizard beat iris’ dragonite . There are different levels to this thing we call pokemon 😂
Charizard threw hands with Drake's Dragonite as well. He lost obviously lost but weakened it enough for Pikachu to finish him off. One of the few times I enjoyed Pikachu getting the final KO.
Yessir 😂
i remember this episode so well.
choose your friends wisely.
lesson learned.
When even Charizard has more character development and relateability compared to any new Disney+ or Netflix characters
Watching this brings so many memories.
i think charmander always had doubts ever since he was abandoned, which was triggered after it evolved into Charmeleon and then, as egotistical Charizard. After it got hit by Poliwrath's Ice Beam attack and Ash worked really hard to revive it, it realized Ash genuinely cared about him and became 100% obedient and understood Ash was not abandoning it when he left it at the Valley. at it came back even stronger than before
I was 9 yrs old when this came out and it changed me as a human for life
This episode used to annoy me as a child. Literally no kid wanted to see Charizard behaving this way 😭
I was in grade school watching this before school damn time flew
Charizard is me fr!
Fighting low elo and gets demolished by better elo
100% me to😂
Stop saying such relatable things I feel while gaming. You burnt s sore spot.
I always thought it was crazy charmeleon disrespected ash after he saved his life.
Please keep going with this level of introspection man. You have a real gift for bringing this stuff together and to life. Keep going despite any adversity you might have on the personal. You have a new subscriber in me
As a kid i never really understood that 'stupid' charizard but it all makes sense now
Don’t forget that Charizard became strong enough to go toe to toe with Entai, a fully blown Legendary and hold his own!
hope misty gets her bike black 🤣
I remember that episode where charizard stays behind to train in the valley, then I didn't see him again until Pokemon movie 3 when ash was fighting entei and charizard shows up in the most amazing way
This is why the Shadowless Charizard card is the pinnacle of Pokémon card collecting.
13:45 Team rocket with the assist!
4:16 : And we had to wait a whole year before FINALLY Charizard accepts to listen to Ash willingly and permanently.
I think Ash being eliminated from the Indigo League was fitting for where he was at. He is a trainer that got lucky his whole way there, most of his badges were given to him, he happened to catch a lot of strong Pokemon despite not using them much like Muk and Kingler, and he happened upon a very strong charmander. He was very inexperienced at this point, he should have been weeded out long before that point. Charizard deciding to take a nap and costing him the match was a fitting end for his league run
Dude nice vid.. just walked me down memory lane then updated me on how it ended. Thanks pal
Anytime man thanks for watching!
Imagine how big someone's ego has to be to have to force themself to evolve.
Charizard deserved so much more. His last official battle was against Brandon's Dusklops. Which he lost due to Ash's stupidity. The writers did him so dirty. They didn't even let Charizard beat Iris' Dragonite even though he was about to win.
He never got a mega even though it would have been amazing to see him making a triumphant return.
I see that he could have returned either in XYZ or in Journeys (or both).
I genuinely cried on the goodbye pikachu episode
I didn’t even realize that when ash told charizard to stay at the valley he didn’t take it as Ash abandoning him just like Damien did instead he worked his ass off so that when the time came he could come thru for ash & reach his full potential, kind of wish he made a return in the sinnoh league against tobias