Role Club 1940 Engineer Boot - 6 Month Review
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2022
- My review of Brian the Bootmaker’s Role Club RC1940 engineer boot. Custom made-to-measure in Los Angeles, California. Wear ‘em with pride. 6 months of wear.
Hand finished CXL horsehide - black overdye - teacore (same finish as Brian’s personal pair and VintagePsycho’s - NOT the same leather or finish as “super horsehide”)
RC1940 last
Full height shaft
Unstructured toe
Leather sole
Toe tap
Full woodsman heel
Toe track
Brass roller buckles
Hand welted flat welt
Black welt stitching
Black upper stitching
Unlined
Nice to see you back David and a fantastic review per usual. Hope to see you around atleast once in a while,if not regularly.
David! So nice to hear an update from you. I’ve been missing your energy! Great see updates on these boots. They’re looking amazing! Thanks for sharing. Have a great new year buddy!
Leigh! Thanks for the comment, and it’s so great hearing from you! I’ll hafta hit your DMs and see how’s life!
Those are Sharp and a *Must Have * for any serious Boot Enthusiast ⭐️✨
True! It’s like a taste of the past. Unsung is the same, also great engineer boots.
@@thevintagefuture6567Yes ,, Totally Vintage and Classic ✨
@@thevintagefuture6567Yes,, Totally Vintage and Classic… I started wearing boots in the late 80’s then started wearing Frye harness boots in the late 90’s early 2000’s and man I have some great memories… “It’s a style thing” to have on a really nice pair of Classic worn in boot with some nice clothes on (Jeans, Khaki, Ripstop Tactical Pants on even ) makes an Authentic statement of style and Class.. And the Women Luv it🦾⭐️
Glad you're back David. I enjoy your content. Happy holidays and Happy New Year.
Happy holidays! Thanks so much 🙏🏽
The man is back! Loved the new vid man
Thanks so much!
Your videos are excellent! Thanks for the post
Welcome back!
Thanks!
We miss you!! Please post more
They developed beautiful. I was not shure about it at the beginning. I really hope to see Clinch engineers and maybe update on Highliners. In midtime of your absence i saw tunderdoom videos of them at least 3 times again. Incredible boots
Glad you’re enjoying the videos! The Clinch one is hot off the press too 🙌🏽
I’ve seen both this one and your Clinch boot and honestly I still very much prefer these RC Engineers over the Clinch. They look amazing and are wearing in wonderfully, can’t wait to see them in another 6 months!!
Thanks! Yeah, the look of these is the absolute best I think.
Thanks for the tip on the pedag insert. I have the same heel slippage on my Moto engineers. I’ve got a slim instep and low volume foot. They’re wearable with two socks or thicker socks, but this may be the solution!
Hope that helps! Pedag Holiday is the one. And I wear medium to thick wool socks with all my boots anyways, so that helps even more
these look beautiful 👍🏻
We missed you, man! You posted those beautiful boots from the Chinese maker, I believe, then dipped on us broo!!
😂 yup, good to be back 🙌🏽
Great review Dave. Agree on the teacore hype, I love the patina on black teacore boots but expect it to take awhile to get results. I chose the regular black cxl for my Underdogs. I hope it will take some years of wear to get that kind of patina
Patina. 😂😂😂. A word for hipsters.
I would classify both Role Club and Clinch as hybrid cowboy-engineer boots. They are mostly for the look and fancy horsehide Leather. Engineer boots should be “tanks” with a full rubber outsole.
Fair point 🍻 And yeah, the shape is definitely Western-ish
@@thevintagefuture6567 There’s a new horsebutt engineer out from xbxs boots with a really pointy toe, no way, haha. I like the look of the Zerrows engineer boots right now with all the different toe options.
I prefer half soles
I've had mine about 6 months also, same spec as yours with the hand finish. But they don't quite have the same patina, despite wearing them daily. I guess I need to put them to work a bit more! Overall, I've been very happy with them.
Comment about sizing. You mentioned your pair has stretched across the vamp and now your toes move too far forward without the additional insole. When I got mine, Brian gave me the option of making them very tight so they would be a perfect fit after stretching out. This proved excellent advice and I don't have that problem. However, when first got them, I could only get my feet into them without socks and wearing a plastic bag. It took many weeks for the leather to relax to the point at which they fit perfectly. Stretching them out wasn't fun. To anyone considering RC Engineers, I would HIGHLY suggest visiting Brian so he can take your measurements. That gives you the best shot at a great fit. Plus, if you haven't seen his shop, you're missing out.
That is exactly right. At first, mine felt a little snug, but now they fit like a glove.
@@XxF0RTR3SSxX My Engineers and Underdogs are pretty much all I wear nowadays.
Missed the top tier vids, hope you’re alright.
Thanks! All is well; just needed a breather and life balance; thank you for the encouragement 🙏🏽
Yeah bro I wonder what happened to u . I’m glad your back and hope everything is ok . Much love from your brother from San José ca
@@ivanrod2550 all is well! Thanks brotha! Bay Area 🙌🏽
I've tried many engineers, and I agree with you for the most part about who makes the best-looking one. One company you should check out is Attractions, their lot 444 Horsehide engineer is absolutely fantastic, though a little dressier. With that said...once you've reached the heights of RC and Clinch...it becomes hard to impress..!! Cheers for the content, I've not commented much but I really do enjoy this style of video much more than the slicker productions out there.
Wow, thanks for the super encouraging feedback! And yeah, Attractions 444 sounds cool. Would love to see some in real life some day….I’m super glad many more companies are making engineers now. Hopefully this means more options for much less money soon; easier access to the same great style and fit.
I think with this type of boot horsehide would be the best.
Nice video as always, Dave.
Owning both Role Club engineers and Clinch engineers, if I was guaranteed the very best craftsmanship from each bootmaker, I'd go with Clinch for multiple reasons. But the fact is Clinch has been extremely hit or miss for a while now and there's a very low chance of getting issues addressed if you unluckily get a "miss" pair. At least with Role Club, you have a better chance of getting issues addressed. So in the real world, Role Club engineers are the safer pair to drop a shit ton of money on. And of course they're MTM without having to fly to Tokyo.
This is a really great point! Totally didn’t think of that angle. I appreciate your comment 🍻🙌🏽
@@thevintagefuture6567 Not as much as I appreciate the insight you share. Keep on keepin on.
Great video.
Thanks!
I love the brass buckles, but I do have a concern about the long run. Verdigris is a waxy green substance that forms on brass when it is in contact with leather. It's a mess and over time destroys the leather. There is no way to stop it. I wonder if it would have been a better choice (for me) to have chosen chrome buckles, although they would not have looked as good. If Brian is still around way down the road, I suppose he could replace the strap and buckle. But if he isn't available, not sure at that time how I could find someone to do the work. It's a concern of mine because I plan on having these boots for a long time.
Where is the initial video? The Trinity handmade guy was underwhelmed with his RC's.
Yeah, Trinity Handmade is my friend Jimmy- he really knows his stuff…..I may put the video back up after some time, but I took it down for a while after speaking with Brian the Bootmaker, as he said he’s responding to the video by trying to change some of the things I addressed. Wanted to be nice and give him a chance since it’s his livelihood.
Unless you were willing to cut those straps off and sew new ones onto the stitched on bits, which would probably end up looking bad, those would be a huge pain to replace. They're stitched on before the backstay and counter pocket, so you'd pretty much have to take the whole boot apart for a full replacement. For those straps to hold up to actual use, I'd think you'd want a heavier weight leather, maybe 6-7oz for CXL, or a veg tan strap would be a better option. They look pretty thin, and if that hole ever goes, you're kinda screwed.
Thanks for the knowledgeable input! I’ll hafta keep an eye on it, knowing it may not be easy to replace. Much appreciated!
Why replace it when you can cut it just to look better
@@oscarrodriguez3603 You'd never be able to cut it close enough, you'd always see the little strap ends underneath the counter cover. And without the straps, the boots won't fit.
@@noone3734 just cutting the you cut what you have left over means not all of it
I think they look great but the heel is too high for me. Toes look perfect. Interesting over dye. Wears in nicely. I’m not sure if it’s taboo but how about a bit of shoe polish on the spots you aren’t happy with?
Did you order them with "Super Horsehide?" When I got fitted for a pair of Lace to Toe boots in black leather, he asked me if I wanted Super Horsehide or standard black. I didn't know what that was, so he explained that it was made to fade quickly. I just went with the regular black horsehide. I haven't gotten them yet.
This is hand finished horsehide, which is different than the super horsehide. I’m not sure what the specific difference is between the super and the hand finished. This hand finished is the same finish as on Brian’s original black pair and Vintage Psycho’s (Matt).
@@thevintagefuture6567 Super horsehide has more grain pattern. But I believe they both use the same overdye.
Just scored a pair of attractions because they’re the only in stock boot around NYC right now. Those were my 2nd choice to RC. How long is the wait for a pair, and how much you per pair?
The wait varies, but it can be up to 2 years 😬 And the price is like $2k now, I believe 🤯 Much more than it used to be.
@@thevintagefuture6567 thank you for the straight forward info. Big help. Guess I’ll place my order now so in about 2 years when the attraction 444s wear out they’ll be ready 😂
Just met Brian today looking to get a pair made. What other leather would you get instead of Chromexcell? Shinki is what I’m pining for…
yeah I wouldn't get CXL cuz it stretches too much....I would get some kind of hardy veg tan, whether horsebutt leather or regular.
Chromexcel is a really beautiful leather - probably best suited to jackets and jeans, but in your video it looks incredible!!
Just my opinion but criticising the wear of the finish after 6 months of hard wear is "interesting".... What I mean by that is that it's more valid with more information - by way of a f'rinstance... Have you been upkeeping the finish with any polish or wax or any conditioner of any kind? Cos I guarantee anyone who takes their footwear seriously is taking better care of them than just leaving them to the elements for 6 months and calling fault where fault is undeserved. (Unless, of course, that's the benchmark by which you guage the quality; in which case, please ignore my critique).
Again - just my opinion.
Thank you for your review - it's accurate - in places, and extremely informative overall. Could you shout out those insole/inserts once again? I've not heard of them before.
Many thanks from Ireland,
Steve.
Thanks for the great comment, Steve! I appreciate you politely offering counterpoints. Regarding the finish, I do beat them up a fair amount but also brush and condition them from time to time. These boots were designed to naturally teacore and show the color underneath over time, and I just thought the overdye could be a little more resilient. That said, it's definitely open to interpretation:) Thanks!
The inserts are Pedag brand. They make all sorts of inserts. These ones were the Viva ones as I recall.
0:12 hmm that's worrisome!
But anyway, awesome boots. But I still clearly remember your video when you got them first and pointed out all the issues with lack of proper communication and the stitches. These are $2K+ boots, service should have been better.
Yeah, seems like Brian is trying harder now in some of those areas; hopefully it makes a difference. The boots are great, but the experience of procuring them was not.
I waited a while for mine, but my Role Club Engineers are my most complimented by a mile.
Ok nice awesome boots, but after 20 min of vid...what about price ?
Price varies depending on options you choose, but these typically run about $2k.
How is the sole proprietary?
Maybe I used the wrong word. What I mean is, he has them made for him with his logo on them (the heel cap). There’s nothing proprietary about the compound itself. As for the outsole, I suppose the leather could be generic and then he stamps them, but I’m not sure. He might also have them made with his logo already on them. Thanks for the question 👍🏽 I could have been more specific.
No shoe trees for them?
Not these ones. For these I want that collapsed old vintage boot look. I tree my dress shoes and classy boots.
To each their own but those boots look like they need proper maintenance to me! I do like my boots to be broken in but not broken looking. Personal matter.
Oh I totally hear you 👍🏽 I let certain boots I have get gnarly and others I baby and keep clean.
When you have enough pairs you can play the spectrum! Or be anal retentive… ;)
😂indeed. Tbh I’m pretty finicky about the few dress shoes I have….partly why I’ve avoided buying more dress shoes and nicer ones 😄 But some day perhaps I’ll get a few real nice pairs to baby like never before haha
Alden Tankers in shell!
Ooooo yes 🔥 I was actually just looking at those Alden black shell Racer Noir boots at Brogue the other day 😍 It’s like a v-tip or whatever they call it.
How much do these cost?
The price has escalated a TON. Personally, I think they are overpriced now, due to hype - supply and demand. They average about $2k at this point.
@@thevintagefuture6567 anywhere you can recommend a good engineer boot for a decent price?
My current favorite is the Briselblack from Indonesia. You would have to DM them on Instagram to make an order and figure out sizing (it's usually TTS, but using the EU size equivalent). Also, Wesco is a great choice as long as the last fits your foot ok (it doesn't fit my foot shape very well). Both these brands aren't inexpensive, but they're at least way less expensive than Role Club and the like. (they're both about $600-$800 brand new, less if used of course)
u need work leather
Not a fan of the heel on that boot
Do you like a more slanted western type heel?
Nice boots ,i got similars in Harley Davidson
Question about the fit - My Role Club 2307s will arrive this week, however, I'm super concerned now looking over the measurements I supplied Brian - I under-measured my foot length by 0.125". Do you think this will be a huge issue?
I think in this case I would contact Brian immediately before wearing them even though the discrepancy seems negligible.
@@thevintagefuture6567 I'll have to wait until they arrive, not much Brian can do right now since they're in transit. I'm in NYC and as you know he's in LA. I was trying to gauge how snug they were for you out of the box length-wise and how long the in-sole was compared to the measurement you gave him.
In the extra notes, I mentioned the sizes I wear by a variety of boot manufacturers so I'm hoping he took that into account - the other measurements I provided were accurate.
@@TruthScopeTV he made my first pair too short even though I gave him all that info like you did....just keep open communication with him and try not to rush it, and everything should turn out ok. He should guarantee the fit and make mods for free as long as you haven't worn them. But of course, if you put them on and they seem great, then it's all good.
@@thevintagefuture6567 Cool - thanks for the reply/insight I appreciate it!
@@thevintagefuture6567Hey - just an update - boots arrived today and they fit like a glove! What a relief - they’re amazing - much lighter than my Mister Lou’s I feel like I could go running in these.😅
thats why my engineers boots are english bridle
What difference does that make? Wears better// patinas less easily?
they fit, less slip solid fit@@PhantomofTheOctagon
english bridle has grip on the inside to reduce heel slip. you numbnut wear crocs cause it's plastic?
@@PhantomofTheOctagon
What brand boots are these?
Role Club