Plagueis force manipulation cause the force to leave plagueis except for the force cell that he controls by manipulation he became an enemy of the force it’s not worth the risk
Shmi's pregnancy with Anakin was caused by Plagueis' dark side ritual (early in Palps training) that tipped the balance of the force towards the dark side. The force responded by producing Anakin to bring balance. This ritual was also a pivotal point where the Jedi started losing their force awareness which allowed Palpatine to slip through the cracks unnoticed.
Hearing more of this, I realize that I don't hate Darth Vader, I actually feel sorry for him. All that pain, and doubt of his master and his theories. He never lived after turning to the dark side, he just wanted to die.
True that Darth Vader is a Death Seeker due to his self loathing. Well He lost his friends and family, his wife and children and help converting a Republic to a Empire and installing a powerful power hungry Psychopath that is the most evil Sith Lords in history.
It was probably pretty embarrassing that Sidious came to power using Plagueis' plan, had to kill him in a cowardly way while admitting he couldn't beat him outright, and did so before learning and inheriting any of his master's abilities - powers he outright craved for the rest of his life. Maybe the biggest aspect of Baneite rule was the apprentice taking on role of Master once either the Master had proved their methodology in the force had failed or the apprentice had exceeded them in every way. The rule of 2 falling apart near its end is part of the Sith's story, of course, but Sidious really did have a lot to hide when it came to his many inadequacies compared to his master.
By Sidious not out rightly challenging Plagues tgat was when the Rule of Two was over, Sidious wasn't confident in his ability to defeat Plagues, shows how Powerful he was, that Sidious was scared to actually fight him, tgen again Plagues didn't outright challenge his Master Tenebrous either, although he did hunt down other Darkside uses and killed his Master's secret apprentice...
That's not giving sidiious credit as Sidious comes up with the idea. It's kind of a work of both. And Sidious was the only one that could pull it off as he was human.
Although the way Plagueis’s way of killing his master and how sidious killed him may look similar there not. Darth Plagueis had to plot and deceive, ways of the Sith, too kill his while Sidious literally took advantage of his master falling asleep to shock his respirator and that’s it lol. Everything up until Palpatine was named Emperor was by design and influenced by Darth Plagueis.
that is very much in character for him to do that. Also I am sure that he had plans if Darth Vader become too powerful but powerful to be useful as a Sith Juggernaut
Likely and a serious issue with the rule of two That and if the apprentice (or master) turns to the light and kills the other Sidious, like I suspect many past sith didn't want to teach a person to kill them.
@@David-iy1zt Actually, the expectation is the Master strives to keep their power and the apprentice is expected to crave and attempt to take that power. The Sith follower survival of the strongest. If the Master was betrayed then they didn't deserve that power. If the apprentice failed then they don't deserve to be a master. Darth Bane was disappointed in Darth Zannah because she didn't try to betray him. Which is why he had second thoughts on her as apprentice ( before she actually did betray him).
I think he had plans to do some sort of weird sith soul swap with Rey or perhaps whatever child she might have had with Ren. He wasn't trying to pair them off for no reason, 2 families strong in the force hails back to the days of Revan or even before when Jedi did marry and have children of their own.
You would think Dooku saw a lot of Hego Damask AKA Darth Plagueis. He was a lot older and could remember those times. Plagueis was always hanging around Coruscant and Palpatine. They have to introduce him into Star Wars Canon once and for all because he's a character that needs to be explored.
@@FreeOpenTruth that doesn't mean a damn thing. You don't think Dooku still hung around Coruscant? You don't think he saw Plagueis before that even? You know he did. Demask was a huge member of the Banking Clan. I guaranteed Dooku knew who he was.
Palpatine ultimately crippled and destroyed the Sith order by trying to reduce it to a rule of 1. He was constantly trying to undermine and cripple the potential of his apprentices, and was hiding so much knowledge, that in the eventuality of his death, every dark lord to follow after him would never be able to live up to their potential.
Currently writing my own trilogy where Plagueis actually lived vicariously through Sidious and actually caused his death, clouding his focus, and allowing vader to overthrow him in the events of ROTJ. Only for Plagueis to essence transfer to another vessel and return as a “mysterious” benefactor for what would become the first order. In this timeline, the empire is split into the traditionalists (OT era empire) and the reformed (first order) and they’re in a civil war for dominance over the galaxy, having a common enemy (the rebellion)
I think that Darth Sidious believed himself to be the Sith'ari, a being of Sith prophecy, which is why he kept his apprentices from knowing too much about the depths of the dark side, as he believed he would be the one to stand the tests of time, and be the one true Sith for which there would be no need of any other once he mastered Sith sorcery enough to defy death and increase his power to that which would be matchless in the galaxy.
Possibly, although he took both maul and Dooku as apprentices in addition. To Vader. Darth vitiate never had an apprentice, he was from before the banite sith, and wanted some to use essence transfer on rather than an apprentice
I was under the impression that Plagueis was Anakin's father through immaculate conception and that Sidious never really learned how to create life through the Force. If instead Sidious were Anakin's father, that that would mean Rey and Ben are distant cousins and their little romance would be very icky.
@@jonathanking9954 That was very much a confirmation. It can't be argued as a coincidence that Anakin happened to be born without a biological dad at the same time Plagueis happened to experiment with the concept of creating life out of thin air using the Force.
Ironically the knowledge of plagus could have been useful to someone like anikan. If the dark side of the force can create life then it can be used to heal...or at least self healing. Stimulating cell reproduction and the creation of new cells. Possibly even regrowing organs or limbs. But that would take a thinker. Something Anakin wasn't. As much as I detest sidious he did have a better head on his shoulders than Anakin did.
@@DeathScepter and neither is a researcher which is what was needed to bring out the most of plagus's knowledge. And Anakin may have been a good field commander but field command whenever be a Jedi (or sith"s) job. They were given the rank of general for a reason.
In the Darth Plaguis novel recently Plagius did finally figure out imortatlity and not only healing with the dark side but self healing aswell. Plaguis intended on teaching Sidius how to heal, but once he learned to Self heal he decided to keep it to himself to ensure Sidius would never kill him. But Sidius killed him anyways while he slept knowing that he could either live under Plaius forever, or live as Emperor of the galaxy for one lifetime.
@@raffaelschimanowski8942 It will never happen, Disney would never pay for the rights of all these well written stories ! They would rather write the drudge that we had to tolerate over the last few years! G.L. should have never sold the rights without defining what he wanted from from the story! In that he failed the people that loved his story and his vision! It would have been very easy for him to selectively say this is cannon and this is legend!
I’m not surprised that Sidious never revealed information about Plagueis. Vader would’ve grown so much powerful with that knowledge even with his mobility being cut in half (🤭)
Eh kinda but not really, tenebrous was more into the science part of the dark side not the mystical or mythical aspects which plegueis had to learn himself.
It would have been interesting if Vader had been familiar with plagues work. It would have been theoretically possible for Vader to restore his missing mitichlorians from his missing limbs. Thus increasing his force potential.
If he figured out that Plagueis could create life from the force for a fact, then he would realize his entire existence was piloted and controlled by Sidius, meaning all his pain and hardship was the fault of Sidius alone and would turn on him, plus he would have the potential to heal himself out of the suite.
PLOTTWIST: Darth Plagus influenced midichlorians to create Anakin so he could later become the apprentice of Sidious and he knew about Anakin all along.
You should read the Darth Plagueis novel or at least see a summary, because he didn't create Anakin, he was born by the will of the force (although Plagueis and Sidious did have something to do with it, indirectly)
I know there are plenty of lists out there online about the best way to watch the movies and shows, and which Show episodes are essential so you don't have to watch every single episode of a multi-season show.... but do YOU have a video explaining the BEST WAY to go about watching all of the Star Wars Movies and Essential Show Episodes in order to get the best understanding of Star Wars? If not, would you ever make a video on that? As I've gotten older I realized I really don't have a good understanding about the plot line, the details, etc, so I'm really trying to dive into it
Next video: What are your thoughts on my thoughts on Palpatine's thoughts about Vader's thoughts on Padme's thoughts of him turning to the dark side???
In the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine outright tells anakin that Plageius was real when he reveals himself as Darth Sidious. He also tells him that he was his master, which sent Anakin into a panic.
@@grandmyotismon Plagus wasn’t blind to the world around him.He was well aware what was going on. You call it obsessions, We call it discovery,new abilities.The Jedi were stagnant arrogant too caught up in Yoda’s way of thinking. The Sith were always coming up with something new and kept evolving themselves. The Rule of Two brought change and evolution. Plagus imo would have focused more on discovering new things with the Dark Side of the Force while Sidious focused on ruling the Empire. Plagus would have probably discovered how to kill the Yuuzhan Vong if he had lived long enough.
This novelization is still considered canon. He sat frozen. Even thought was impossible. "You can have every one of your dreams. Turn aside from the lies of the Jedi, and follow the truth of yourself. Leave them. Join me on the path of true power. Be my friend, Anakin. Be my student. My apprentice. Anakin's vision tunneled again, but this time there was no light at the far end. He pulled back his hand, and it was shaking as he brought it up to support his face. "I'm sorry," he said. "I'm sorry, but-but as much as I want those things-as much as I care for you, sir -I can't. I just can't. Not yet. Because there's only one thing I really want, right now. Everything else will just have to wait." "I know what you truly want," the shadow said. "I have only been waiting for you to admit it to your self." A hand-a human hand, warm with compassion-settled onto his shoulder. "Listen to me: I can help you save her." "You-" Anakin blinked blindly. "How can you help?" "Do you remember that myth I told you of, The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" the shadow whispered. The myth- ... directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life; with such knowledge, to maintain life in someone already living would seem a small matter .. "Yes," Anakin said. "Yes, I remember." The shadow leaned so close that it seemed to fill the world. "Anakin, it's no mere myth." Anakin swallowed. "Darth Plagueis was real." Anakin could force out only a strangled whisper. "Real ...? "Darth Plagueis was my Master. He taught me the key to his power," the shadow said, dryly matter-of-fact, "before I killed him." Without understanding how he had moved, without even intending to move, without any transition of realization or dawning understanding, Anakin found himself on his feet. A blue bar of sizzing energy terminated a centimeter from Palpatine's chin, its glow casting red-edged shadows up his face and across the ceiling. Only gradually did Anakin come to understand that this was his lightsaber, and that it was in his hand. "You," he said. Suddenly he was neither dizzy nor tired. Suddenly everything made sense. - Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith I believe Plagueis thought Anakin was a result of their manipulations at the time of Venamis' death.
The Palpatine and Shimi situation was not left ambiguous. Marvel made clear that Palpatine was not Anakins father. He merely influenced the midi chlorians further insuring Shimi's conception.
This makes sense for a number of reasons. An a major secret to beating him. Had Vader found out HOW Plagueis died and that HE was the Sith that trained HIS master in Sideous Palatine probably wasn't about to take the same chance that Vader would find a way to do something similar to him. An not to mention had Vader learned of life manipulation and creation and ESPECIALLY immortality or essence transfer Vader could always come back stronger. Especially if he could be what vitiate did and put his soul an mind into a younger an healthy body. Especially if Vader could find one strong as his original prime Jedi body. EMPEROR SITH Sideous could have real problems. Especially I imagine the sooner scenario was it. Since it'd be about the only way classic suit Vader would become Sith Grandmaster Vader after all.
One who craves Power, and One who wields it, shall not be mistaken, as equal in Strength...Many Sith Apprenticeships are disappointed, as the J.R. apprentice really could tear apart their Master in a fight...But proper Sith planning, prevented sudden usurpations...
If I had a chance to talk to Darth Vader, I would try to persuade him saying, “After turning to the dark side and pledging your life and loyalty to Palpatine Sidious… Do you feel that your life’s spent time has given your life meaning as Padme and Obiwan and Quai Gon Jinn all had given you? The light side, even if it didn’t like attachments, still gave you Love through padme and friends and a father and brother through Quai Gon amd Obi Wan and Ahsoka regardless of it not being absolutely perfect. Yet ask yourself is the power and prowess that the dark side gives you worth more than what the light side gave you? When you reach the end of the road of the dark side and sit on your throne with no enemies left to fight and none to oppose you, will you be any closer to Quai Gon, Obi Wan Ahsoka or padme or the children she birthed for you out of love? Love that the dark side itself hates? If I were you, I would renounce the dark side and make amends with Padme and Obi wan and Quai Gon for no matter how weak and pathetic love is, it is still far more respectably precious than dark side gifts of power or prowess. At least the Jedi did not lie to you when they said they didn’t like attachment. But who did lie? Palpatine seduced you to the dark side saying it would help you get back what you’ve lost. Yet I do not see padme here nor do I see your other attachments and friends? None are here but Sidious only. Only Sidious’s plans remain. His plans. His designs. Not padme or your friends. The Jedi didn’t kill your friends or children or padme, a Sith Lord’s newly seduced apprentice did. Don’t you think that same seduced apprentice should make amends for killing Anakin’s family? Clearly sidious lied to you whereas the Jedi, who aren’t perfect because no one ever is truly 100% perfect, were honest. Spending your life for Sidious who offers you power or prowess or living your life happily and quietly with love under the Jedi’s nose. If Anakin’s children were alive, do you think they would happily choose to grow up with their mother and friends or with Darth Vader. If your answer is mother and friends then logically the next conclusion is to renounce dark Vader and Sideous and the dark side entirely to become the good father that your children would’ve loved having instead. Be a man Padme would be proud of if she were still alive. Before becoming Vader, you were strong enough to defeat Palpatine yet now as Vader, you are too weak to defeat him. Isn’t that suspicious? How when you were a Jedi you were strong enough to defeat a Sith Lord yet now after embracing the dark side under that same Sith Lord you cannot defeat him anymore? This proves my point that you truly were stronger and better before Sidious came into your life than now. You’re too intelligent to ignore this fact. The fact that Sidious has been lying to you this entire time. Your old self would have killed him, making your old self the one with greater prowess than you now. Because I love you Anakin I speak to you plainly otherwise I would be too cowardly and stay silent. I may not love you as much as your friends and padme did, yet I love you enough to say you should honor them all by turning to the light side again and making amends and stopping Sidious for his lies, treachery and irreversible tragedies. I’m not as strong as you or anyone else you know yet my heart of love is strong enough to say you can still be someone your family could be proud of. Kill me if you wish, but at least your children and friends and padme would be grateful a nobody like me could relay their concerns. Only Anakin can rise from the dead to defeat Vader. So long as what remains of Anakin’s body walks the earth, Anakin can surely return to it to make amends. Goodbye.”
So according to this new comic: Palpatine: 'VADER, I AM YOUR FATHER!" Vader: "NOOOO, THAT'S NOT TRUE! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!" Palpatine: and that Makes LEAH AND LUKE my GRANDCHILDREN!!
5:35 Theology Nerd moment, but strictly speaking Anakin would be a "virgin birth" or parthenogenesis, and not an "immaculate conception". An "immaculate conception" is a Christian term referring to someone being conceived the natural way (with two parents), but without the stain of original sin. You may now go about your day knowing that nerdy specific piece of information.
Di I would be more inclined to call him a test tube baby..I think plagueis manipulated the midichlorians of his own plus various slave womén, and Anakin's mom is the only pregnancy that succeeded.
Does Plagueis have a nose or not? Some illustrations of him (and other Muuns) show them with schnozzes and some show no schnozz. So, which is it? It rather changes the look, dontcha think?
Why didn't Plagueis set up fail safes incase he died before learning the secret to immortality like Palpatine did? Was he that confident that he would learn it before his death and that his student wouldn't betray him? It feels very out of character of him tbh. It would be cook if he was out there somewhere still lurking in the shadows waiting for the right moment to continue his research.
I would be more surprised if Sidious taught Vader about Darth Marr, unless previous sith had struck him from the book of the Sith for working with Jedi
I find it hard to believe the arrogantly ambitious Anakin became Darth Lame-o. He's like Nah lost some limbs, gained a crap suit, and I don't wanna know about stuff and don't wanna better myself Nah I'm good like this... That's the real stretching of disbelief
If he knew more about the full story of Plagues he would look at Palpatine a little different and think about his first time ever hearing about it long ago when he was still Anakin Skywalker.
More proof that Palps loathed the Rule of Two. The idea of *actually, authentically* providing training and knowledge to someone whose *job* is to supplant him was anathema. He didn’t train a single apprentice. He shaped and reshaped them into the tools he needed for the moment in which he needed them.
I don't know if it would make a full video, but I'm wondering if I am the only one who thought it was weird that Palpatine could talk to Anakin about Sith legend; a group that had died out a millennium ago, and that the Jedi had actively suppressed knowledge of, and Anakin only reacted with a "could this help MY perceived problem", but when he latervmentioned "the Dark Side", THAT was the tipping point that told Anakin "this man is aware of stuff he shouldn't know!"? Plenty of people knew that not every Jedi succeeded, and that there were aspects of the Force they actively avoided; anyone who knew more about the long-dead Sith then their name probably also knew that they used the Force in a way different than, and frowned upon, by the Jedi, so why didn't Anakin lose it when Palpatine revealed a working knowledge of Sith history, but was caught off by him simply knowing that the Force has a bad half, and that AFTER revealing he knew about the Sith?
Most republic senators would know that there had once been a sith empire that opposed the republic 3000 years ago, just like people know about the Babylonian empire these days. However, outside of the Jedi most people didn't know much about the force, and 0articularly the dark side. So the same way someone may be suspicious if someone knew specific rituals of human sacrifice or cannibal recipes someone might suspect them of illegal activity.
What if Grievous escaped Utapau for Mustafar and then Anakin tried to kill Grievous and the other separatists and then Grievous and Obi-wan team up to fight Anakin on Mustafar?
I believe that Darth Plagues wasn´t able to teach palpatine to influence the mediclorians to create life, because he didn´t knew how he was doing that. He was of a race which became incedibly old, maybe this was the source for this skills. Plageous thought that he had only to become strong enough with the dark side to find the way for himself.For Darth Vader this aspekt was the main reason for his lost, so he didnt wantet to confront himself with it.He would also been able to clone himsellf. He was 42 when he died.
I believe that if plaguise was able to meet Vader as his pupil plaguise would have told him how he was able to do it simply because he was the chosen one that he made himself. A sith lord would have taught his pupil Vader
You know what would be so cool? For Lucas to write a SW prequel to Darth Sidious featuring his master Darth Plagueis. I could actually see How Darth Plagueis would revive his enemies, only to slaughter them again and Shiv becoming bitter at his master. It would make for a awesome trilogy if written well and done right and without Disne'y's dirty greasy hands all over it.
My thoughts on Plagus is, is if Plagus was never intoxicated or sleeping he would have beat Palpatine. People say Palpatine is strong but was he stronger than his master on a 1v1?
It's understandable why Sidious was hiding this. Secrets,immortality,Anakin's birth. Vader could be more powerful I didnt know this. I think he would be greatly impressed by Plageious. May the Force be with you too :)
He was so miserable with himself and what he had done etc. That when confronted with Ahsoka, someone he supposedly had love for he tries to kill her. Makes absolutely no sense to me. Far as im concerned Anakin and or Vader was just a huge piece of crap. For many many reasons. And truly cared about no one, except himself. 🤷🏼♂️Just my opinion.
fate is the stage and we each have our appointed destinations. Sidious had his marionette in anakin irrespective of the side of the force he chose. choosing the darkside meant he had full domination of his chosen servant, and this is echoed in return of the jedi when he egotistically claims ownership of luke skywalker.
And Anakin Skywalker could have Learn how the Ones of Mortis Gained There Immortality Though I wonder if they'd be Willing to Disclose Such Knowledge without Ensuring Anakin Stayed On Mortis
Honestly I think he was going to have Vader replace him once before. Remember he told yoda he will become more powerful than either of us, and plus Palpatine knew vader would kill him one day probably the rule of 2, but if Palpatine truly master Immortality he would have killed vader himsel. But once Obi-Wan crippled him Palpatine had no need for vader just go do something kill some jedi, found some rebel. Basically why would Palpatine teach vader a machine now anything. I wouldn't I would look at vader as my Greatest Achievement by turning the Chose one to the dark side which literally the Galaxy NEVER recovered from on down to the very last descended of Skywalker, but also my greatest faulty cause he a crippled machine now he always looked at vader as a disappointment.
Wait so sidious had no intention to even share his info even though the whole rule of two is set up where the master teaches almost all till the apprentice is ready to dual the master till death then so on and so forth, but this sap kept all the lingo and decided to go full blown test tube baby so he could rule forever through his copies 😳 , so basically he didn't have an apprentice ! He had a certified ass wiping gofer with only child syndrome and murderous homicidal tendencies 🤷🤦 , dude said F the rule of two I just need some psycho's to hold my nuts while I rule the galaxy 😳🤨
Couldn't they fit the "dark empire series" in🤔 since luke will be 30 during this Time and he's only 28 during mandolrian ☺️ we need a fight btwn Luke n young clone sidous. describe in the book dbz style 😅 fighting so fast laia couldn't even follow 😌 plz
i think that i would have loved to see a fair fight between gaylen mareek and dark dickcheese... Gaylen was very powerful because of Vaders Training... i give him that but if it wasnt for vaders betrail.... Gaylen would have killed them both if he wanted to... Cannon is life!!
Could Plagueis Truly Create Life He Tried to Create another Sentient Being and He Indirectly Caused the Birth of the Jedi Chosen one when His Midichlorian Manipulation Backfired On Him
It would've been amazing has Plagueis returned instead of Palpatine.
my god, what a storyline that would have been.
Or some how darth vitiate survived and he turns up after palpatine showing how much of an infant palpatine was compared to him
Sideous should be the alpha and omega sith. Most importantly the last.
My man!
Plagueis force manipulation cause the force to leave plagueis except for the force cell that he controls by manipulation he became an enemy of the force it’s not worth the risk
Shmi's pregnancy with Anakin was caused by Plagueis' dark side ritual (early in Palps training) that tipped the balance of the force towards the dark side. The force responded by producing Anakin to bring balance. This ritual was also a pivotal point where the Jedi started losing their force awareness which allowed Palpatine to slip through the cracks unnoticed.
Amazing that the greatest Sith Lord of all time was standing right next to Windu and Yoda and they could not identify him.
Hearing more of this, I realize that I don't hate Darth Vader, I actually feel sorry for him. All that pain, and doubt of his master and his theories. He never lived after turning to the dark side, he just wanted to die.
I always figured he felt already dead
True that Darth Vader is a Death Seeker due to his self loathing. Well He lost his friends and family, his wife and children and help converting a Republic to a Empire and installing a powerful power hungry Psychopath that is the most evil Sith Lords in history.
Yeah the comics do at times show this, and the novelization of ROTS
I LIVE to DIE, that's why I was born
KILL or BE KILLED, the law of the land...
-Six Feet Under
@@DeathScepter I feel bad for him but bro killed kidz 5 times
Sidious also never told Vader about Darth Jar Jar and his apprentice Darth Gonk
Bad Batch Theory, Gonky is secretly Darth Gonk.
Sidious didn't know about Darth Jar Jar as he was being manipulated from the shadows
"Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Gonk The Powerful? I thought not. It’s not a story the Jawa would tell you..."
@@charlestaylor253 OH, the Jawa told me every word *leans in to whisper* "...UTINI!"
Sidious: There was a Sith Lord who had the key to immortality.
Vader: What happened to him?
Sidious: He died.
Vader: Tell me more!
It was probably pretty embarrassing that Sidious came to power using Plagueis' plan, had to kill him in a cowardly way while admitting he couldn't beat him outright, and did so before learning and inheriting any of his master's abilities - powers he outright craved for the rest of his life. Maybe the biggest aspect of Baneite rule was the apprentice taking on role of Master once either the Master had proved their methodology in the force had failed or the apprentice had exceeded them in every way. The rule of 2 falling apart near its end is part of the Sith's story, of course, but Sidious really did have a lot to hide when it came to his many inadequacies compared to his master.
By Sidious not out rightly challenging Plagues tgat was when the Rule of Two was over, Sidious wasn't confident in his ability to defeat Plagues, shows how Powerful he was, that Sidious was scared to actually fight him, tgen again Plagues didn't outright challenge his Master Tenebrous either, although he did hunt down other Darkside uses and killed his Master's secret apprentice...
That's not giving sidiious credit as Sidious comes up with the idea. It's kind of a work of both. And Sidious was the only one that could pull it off as he was human.
@Jamie Zero that's racist
Although the way Plagueis’s way of killing his master and how sidious killed him may look similar there not. Darth Plagueis had to plot and deceive, ways of the Sith, too kill his while Sidious literally took advantage of his master falling asleep to shock his respirator and that’s it lol. Everything up until Palpatine was named Emperor was by design and influenced by Darth Plagueis.
I don't think Sid ever had the intention of having an apprentice. I think he always intended to move to the rule of one with dark side enforcers
I was thinking the same thing considering most of the time he wants all the power to himself.
that is very much in character for him to do that. Also I am sure that he had plans if Darth Vader become too powerful but powerful to be useful as a Sith Juggernaut
Likely and a serious issue with the rule of two
That and if the apprentice (or master) turns to the light and kills the other
Sidious, like I suspect many past sith didn't want to teach a person to kill them.
@@David-iy1zt Actually, the expectation is the Master strives to keep their power and the apprentice is expected to crave and attempt to take that power. The Sith follower survival of the strongest. If the Master was betrayed then they didn't deserve that power. If the apprentice failed then they don't deserve to be a master. Darth Bane was disappointed in Darth Zannah because she didn't try to betray him. Which is why he had second thoughts on her as apprentice ( before she actually did betray him).
I think he had plans to do some sort of weird sith soul swap with Rey or perhaps whatever child she might have had with Ren. He wasn't trying to pair them off for no reason, 2 families strong in the force hails back to the days of Revan or even before when Jedi did marry and have children of their own.
They need to make Plageuis, Sidious and Vader films.
Yeah no one wants or cares about Rey and ren
I'm sure Disney will spinoff every character in the SW franchise
No they don't. Disney has already ruined the franchise with their spin-off crap.
Sidious has effectively been in damn near every film..... If you want to know about his rise just read a book.
Key word FILMS
You would think Dooku saw a lot of Hego Damask AKA Darth Plagueis. He was a lot older and could remember those times. Plagueis was always hanging around Coruscant and Palpatine. They have to introduce him into Star Wars Canon once and for all because he's a character that needs to be explored.
Dooku had quit the Jedi order by the time Darth Plagueis came on scene and Palpatine had killed him during The Phantom Menace.
@@FreeOpenTruth that doesn't mean a damn thing. You don't think Dooku still hung around Coruscant? You don't think he saw Plagueis before that even? You know he did. Demask was a huge member of the Banking Clan. I guaranteed Dooku knew who he was.
Knowing who someone Is and actually knowing who they are is another
Different
@@deemen7132 no you're right, I'm sure Dooku didn't know that Plagueis was the dark lord of the Sith at the time.
Palpatine ultimately crippled and destroyed the Sith order by trying to reduce it to a rule of 1. He was constantly trying to undermine and cripple the potential of his apprentices, and was hiding so much knowledge, that in the eventuality of his death, every dark lord to follow after him would never be able to live up to their potential.
Currently writing my own trilogy where Plagueis actually lived vicariously through Sidious and actually caused his death, clouding his focus, and allowing vader to overthrow him in the events of ROTJ. Only for Plagueis to essence transfer to another vessel and return as a “mysterious” benefactor for what would become the first order.
In this timeline, the empire is split into the traditionalists (OT era empire) and the reformed (first order) and they’re in a civil war for dominance over the galaxy, having a common enemy (the rebellion)
Sidious keeps becoming more and more of a birk, even after being dispatched twice.
I think that Darth Sidious believed himself to be the Sith'ari, a being of Sith prophecy, which is why he kept his apprentices from knowing too much about the depths of the dark side, as he believed he would be the one to stand the tests of time, and be the one true Sith for which there would be no need of any other once he mastered Sith sorcery enough to defy death and increase his power to that which would be matchless in the galaxy.
Possibly, although he took both maul and Dooku as apprentices in addition. To Vader. Darth vitiate never had an apprentice, he was from before the banite sith, and wanted some to use essence transfer on rather than an apprentice
in other words, Sidious wanted to be like Vitiate except rule the galaxy rather than consume it.
I was under the impression that Plagueis was Anakin's father through immaculate conception and that Sidious never really learned how to create life through the Force. If instead Sidious were Anakin's father, that that would mean Rey and Ben are distant cousins and their little romance would be very icky.
Anakin didn’t have a father he was born from the force. He’s kinda like space Jesus turned evil
@@jonathanking9954 yes, but what I mean by "father" is that Plagueis used the Force to create life in the form of Anakin.
@@doctormosfet that was never really confirmed though. It was implied
@@jonathanking9954 That was very much a confirmation. It can't be argued as a coincidence that Anakin happened to be born without a biological dad at the same time Plagueis happened to experiment with the concept of creating life out of thin air using the Force.
Ironically the knowledge of plagus could have been useful to someone like anikan. If the dark side of the force can create life then it can be used to heal...or at least self healing. Stimulating cell reproduction and the creation of new cells. Possibly even regrowing organs or limbs. But that would take a thinker. Something Anakin wasn't. As much as I detest sidious he did have a better head on his shoulders than Anakin did.
Anakin is a good field commander and quick choices are required. Sidious is a master planner where patience is a greater virtue. both have value.
@@DeathScepter and neither is a researcher which is what was needed to bring out the most of plagus's knowledge. And Anakin may have been a good field commander but field command whenever be a Jedi (or sith"s) job. They were given the rank of general for a reason.
I find your lack of correct spelling... Disturbing
Fun fact, Anakin DID try that, it worked....then immediatly reversed cause he felt happy
In the Darth Plaguis novel recently Plagius did finally figure out imortatlity and not only healing with the dark side but self healing aswell. Plaguis intended on teaching Sidius how to heal, but once he learned to Self heal he decided to keep it to himself to ensure Sidius would never kill him. But Sidius killed him anyways while he slept knowing that he could either live under Plaius forever, or live as Emperor of the galaxy for one lifetime.
I’d love a film or series about Palpatine leading to the events of Episode 1.
A film/series about the Darth Plagueis book
@@raffaelschimanowski8942 It will never happen, Disney would never pay for the rights of all these well written stories ! They would rather write the drudge that we had to tolerate over the last few years!
G.L. should have never sold the rights without defining what he wanted from from the story! In that he failed the people that loved his story and his vision!
It would have been very easy for him to selectively say this is cannon and this is legend!
@@normknapp4404 unfortunately :(
Plagueis didn't die... he staged his Death. He is a master of staging his own death. He did it twice...
I’m not surprised that Sidious never revealed information about Plagueis. Vader would’ve grown so much powerful with that knowledge even with his mobility being cut in half (🤭)
Half-knowledge could not make Vader more powerful
The Jedi hid things from Vader, and so did the sith.
Plagueis'master, Darth Tenebrous, was where Plagueis learned it from
Eh kinda but not really, tenebrous was more into the science part of the dark side not the mystical or mythical aspects which plegueis had to learn himself.
It would have been interesting if Vader had been familiar with plagues work. It would have been theoretically possible for Vader to restore his missing mitichlorians from his missing limbs. Thus increasing his force potential.
If he figured out that Plagueis could create life from the force for a fact, then he would realize his entire existence was piloted and controlled by Sidius, meaning all his pain and hardship was the fault of Sidius alone and would turn on him, plus he would have the potential to heal himself out of the suite.
PLOTTWIST: Darth Plagus influenced midichlorians to create Anakin so he could later become the apprentice of Sidious and he knew about Anakin all along.
You should read the Darth Plagueis novel or at least see a summary, because he didn't create Anakin, he was born by the will of the force (although Plagueis and Sidious did have something to do with it, indirectly)
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In the novelization of Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine outright tells anakin that Plageius was real when he reveals himself as Darth Sidious. He also tells him that he was his master, which sent Anakin into a panic.
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There is no death, there is only the force
Do you think the empire under Plagueis would be more successful ?
It’s hard to say because palpatine would have still been the public face and probably doing all the leg work so who knows how involved he would be
Yes
Absolutely 👍🏽
No lol plagus died because of his obsessions leaving him fixated and blind to the world around him
@@grandmyotismon Plagus wasn’t blind to the world around him.He was well aware what was going on.
You call it obsessions, We call it discovery,new abilities.The Jedi were stagnant arrogant too caught up in Yoda’s way of thinking.
The Sith were always coming up with something new and kept evolving themselves.
The Rule of Two brought change and evolution.
Plagus imo would have focused more on discovering new things with the Dark Side of the Force while Sidious focused on ruling the Empire.
Plagus would have probably discovered how to kill the Yuuzhan Vong if he had lived long enough.
6:39
What was that audio error?
I woke up to this at 4 in the morning and shit my pants with the first pic
have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagus the wise
because I haven't heard it yet I must know
This novelization is still considered canon.
He sat frozen. Even thought was impossible.
"You can have every one of your dreams. Turn aside from the lies of the Jedi, and follow the truth of yourself. Leave them. Join me on the path of true power. Be my friend, Anakin. Be my student.
My apprentice.
Anakin's vision tunneled again, but this time there was no light at the far end. He pulled back his hand, and it was shaking as he brought it up to support his face.
"I'm sorry," he said. "I'm sorry, but-but as much as I want those things-as much as I care for you, sir
-I can't. I just can't. Not yet. Because there's only one thing I really want, right now. Everything else will just have to wait."
"I know what you truly want," the shadow said. "I have only been waiting for you to admit it to your self." A hand-a human hand, warm with compassion-settled onto his shoulder. "Listen to me: I can help you save her."
"You-"
Anakin blinked blindly.
"How can you help?"
"Do you remember that myth I told you of, The Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?" the shadow whispered.
The myth-
... directly influence the midi-chlorians to create life; with such knowledge, to maintain life in someone already living would seem a small matter ..
"Yes," Anakin said. "Yes, I remember."
The shadow leaned so close that it seemed to fill the world.
"Anakin, it's no mere myth."
Anakin swallowed.
"Darth Plagueis was real."
Anakin could force out only a strangled whisper. "Real ...?
"Darth Plagueis was my Master. He taught me the key to his power," the shadow said, dryly matter-of-fact, "before I killed him."
Without understanding how he had moved, without even intending to move, without any transition of realization or dawning understanding, Anakin found himself on his feet. A blue bar of sizzing energy terminated a centimeter from Palpatine's chin, its glow casting red-edged shadows up his face and across the ceiling.
Only gradually did Anakin come to understand that this was his lightsaber, and that it was in his hand.
"You," he said. Suddenly he was neither dizzy nor tired. Suddenly everything made sense.
- Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith
I believe Plagueis thought Anakin was a result of their manipulations at the time of Venamis' death.
He never realized that Darth Jar Jar Plagueis was there all the time
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The Palpatine and Shimi situation was not left ambiguous. Marvel made clear that Palpatine was not Anakins father. He merely influenced the midi chlorians further insuring Shimi's conception.
I was always curious about this
This makes sense for a number of reasons. An a major secret to beating him. Had Vader found out HOW Plagueis died and that HE was the Sith that trained HIS master in Sideous Palatine probably wasn't about to take the same chance that Vader would find a way to do something similar to him. An not to mention had Vader learned of life manipulation and creation and ESPECIALLY immortality or essence transfer Vader could always come back stronger. Especially if he could be what vitiate did and put his soul an mind into a younger an healthy body. Especially if Vader could find one strong as his original prime Jedi body. EMPEROR SITH Sideous could have real problems. Especially I imagine the sooner scenario was it. Since it'd be about the only way classic suit Vader would become Sith Grandmaster Vader after all.
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You have an almost uncanny ability to understand what the writers of stories are trying to convey!
One who craves Power, and One who wields it, shall not be mistaken, as equal in Strength...Many Sith Apprenticeships are disappointed, as the J.R. apprentice really could tear apart their Master in a fight...But proper Sith planning, prevented sudden usurpations...
If I had a chance to talk to Darth Vader, I would try to persuade him saying, “After turning to the dark side and pledging your life and loyalty to Palpatine Sidious… Do you feel that your life’s spent time has given your life meaning as Padme and Obiwan and Quai Gon Jinn all had given you? The light side, even if it didn’t like attachments, still gave you Love through padme and friends and a father and brother through Quai Gon amd Obi Wan and Ahsoka regardless of it not being absolutely perfect. Yet ask yourself is the power and prowess that the dark side gives you worth more than what the light side gave you?
When you reach the end of the road of the dark side and sit on your throne with no enemies left to fight and none to oppose you, will you be any closer to Quai Gon, Obi Wan Ahsoka or padme or the children she birthed for you out of love? Love that the dark side itself hates?
If I were you, I would renounce the dark side and make amends with Padme and Obi wan and Quai Gon for no matter how weak and pathetic love is, it is still far more respectably precious than dark side gifts of power or prowess.
At least the Jedi did not lie to you when they said they didn’t like attachment.
But who did lie? Palpatine seduced you to the dark side saying it would help you get back what you’ve lost. Yet I do not see padme here nor do I see your other attachments and friends? None are here but Sidious only. Only Sidious’s plans remain. His plans. His designs. Not padme or your friends.
The Jedi didn’t kill your friends or children or padme, a Sith Lord’s newly seduced apprentice did.
Don’t you think that same seduced apprentice should make amends for killing Anakin’s family?
Clearly sidious lied to you whereas the Jedi, who aren’t perfect because no one ever is truly 100% perfect, were honest.
Spending your life for Sidious who offers you power or prowess or living your life happily and quietly with love under the Jedi’s nose.
If Anakin’s children were alive, do you think they would happily choose to grow up with their mother and friends or with Darth Vader.
If your answer is mother and friends then logically the next conclusion is to renounce dark Vader and Sideous and the dark side entirely to become the good father that your children would’ve loved having instead.
Be a man Padme would be proud of if she were still alive.
Before becoming Vader, you were strong enough to defeat Palpatine yet now as Vader, you are too weak to defeat him. Isn’t that suspicious? How when you were a Jedi you were strong enough to defeat a Sith Lord yet now after embracing the dark side under that same Sith Lord you cannot defeat him anymore?
This proves my point that you truly were stronger and better before Sidious came into your life than now.
You’re too intelligent to ignore this fact.
The fact that Sidious has been lying to you this entire time. Your old self would have killed him, making your old self the one with greater prowess than you now.
Because I love you Anakin I speak to you plainly otherwise I would be too cowardly and stay silent.
I may not love you as much as your friends and padme did, yet I love you enough to say you should honor them all by turning to the light side again and making amends and stopping Sidious for his lies, treachery and irreversible tragedies.
I’m not as strong as you or anyone else you know yet my heart of love is strong enough to say you can still be someone your family could be proud of.
Kill me if you wish, but at least your children and friends and padme would be grateful a nobody like me could relay their concerns.
Only Anakin can rise from the dead to defeat Vader. So long as what remains of Anakin’s body walks the earth, Anakin can surely return to it to make amends.
Goodbye.”
Chances Palpatine and Plageius might've had an abusive father n son type of relationship too.
The plague is novel gives details.
@@shaydowsith348---Probably but chances are I'm probably not going to read it ever.
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So according to this new comic:
Palpatine: 'VADER, I AM YOUR FATHER!"
Vader: "NOOOO, THAT'S NOT TRUE! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!!"
Palpatine: and that Makes LEAH AND LUKE my GRANDCHILDREN!!
5:35 Theology Nerd moment, but strictly speaking Anakin would be a "virgin birth" or parthenogenesis, and not an "immaculate conception".
An "immaculate conception" is a Christian term referring to someone being conceived the natural way (with two parents), but without the stain of original sin.
You may now go about your day knowing that nerdy specific piece of information.
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I would be more inclined to call him a test tube baby..I think plagueis manipulated the midichlorians of his own plus various slave womén, and Anakin's mom is the only pregnancy that succeeded.
Unless I'm mistaken, there is no implication that such manipulation happened *outside* of the mother's body though.
Does Plagueis have a nose or not? Some illustrations of him (and other Muuns) show them with schnozzes and some show no schnozz. So, which is it? It rather changes the look, dontcha think?
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In the RoTS novel sidious tells anakin that plaguis was his master and the he’s the Sith Lord.
Why didn't Plagueis set up fail safes incase he died before learning the secret to immortality like Palpatine did? Was he that confident that he would learn it before his death and that his student wouldn't betray him? It feels very out of character of him tbh. It would be cook if he was out there somewhere still lurking in the shadows waiting for the right moment to continue his research.
Amazing
I would be more surprised if Sidious taught Vader about Darth Marr, unless previous sith had struck him from the book of the Sith for working with Jedi
In the sequels it should’ve been plagues returning. He honestly should’ve been snoke, or snoke’s master / creator.
I find it hard to believe the arrogantly ambitious Anakin became Darth Lame-o. He's like Nah lost some limbs, gained a crap suit, and I don't wanna know about stuff and don't wanna better myself Nah I'm good like this... That's the real stretching of disbelief
@4:20 bruh, there are literally carbon frozen armies of sith soldiers out there
If he knew more about the full story of Plagues he would look at Palpatine a little different and think about his first time ever hearing about it long ago when he was still Anakin Skywalker.
More proof that Palps loathed the Rule of Two. The idea of *actually, authentically* providing training and knowledge to someone whose *job* is to supplant him was anathema. He didn’t train a single apprentice. He shaped and reshaped them into the tools he needed for the moment in which he needed them.
I don't know if it would make a full video, but I'm wondering if I am the only one who thought it was weird that Palpatine could talk to Anakin about Sith legend; a group that had died out a millennium ago, and that the Jedi had actively suppressed knowledge of, and Anakin only reacted with a "could this help MY perceived problem", but when he latervmentioned "the Dark Side", THAT was the tipping point that told Anakin "this man is aware of stuff he shouldn't know!"? Plenty of people knew that not every Jedi succeeded, and that there were aspects of the Force they actively avoided; anyone who knew more about the long-dead Sith then their name probably also knew that they used the Force in a way different than, and frowned upon, by the Jedi, so why didn't Anakin lose it when Palpatine revealed a working knowledge of Sith history, but was caught off by him simply knowing that the Force has a bad half, and that AFTER revealing he knew about the Sith?
Most republic senators would know that there had once been a sith empire that opposed the republic 3000 years ago, just like people know about the Babylonian empire these days. However, outside of the Jedi most people didn't know much about the force, and 0articularly the dark side. So the same way someone may be suspicious if someone knew specific rituals of human sacrifice or cannibal recipes someone might suspect them of illegal activity.
What if Grievous escaped Utapau for Mustafar and then Anakin tried to kill Grievous and the other separatists and then Grievous and Obi-wan team up to fight Anakin on Mustafar?
I believe that Darth Plagues wasn´t able to teach palpatine to influence the mediclorians to create life, because he didn´t knew how he was doing that. He was of a race which became incedibly old, maybe this was the source for this skills. Plageous thought that he had only to become strong enough with the dark side to find the way for himself.For Darth Vader this aspekt was the main reason for his lost, so he didnt wantet to confront himself with it.He would also been able to clone himsellf. He was 42 when he died.
I believe that if plaguise was able to meet Vader as his pupil plaguise would have told him how he was able to do it simply because he was the chosen one that he made himself. A sith lord would have taught his pupil Vader
You know what would be so cool? For Lucas to write a SW prequel to Darth Sidious featuring his master Darth Plagueis. I could actually see How Darth Plagueis would revive his enemies, only to slaughter them again and Shiv becoming bitter at his master. It would make for a awesome trilogy if written well and done right and without Disne'y's dirty greasy hands all over it.
Actually in the novel Palpatine told Anakin that Plaugies was his master.
Plaguies even made Anakin. And on top of that put down the ground work for the enemy of the clones. And funded the clones.
Is there an Old Era Sith that now rules the Void or afterlife as a God?
I wonder how much Sid knows about the sith before bane came into rule
I think another "ultimate force power, regardless of light or dark, would be the manipulation of and influence over time.
My thoughts on Plagus is, is if Plagus was never intoxicated or sleeping he would have beat Palpatine. People say Palpatine is strong but was he stronger than his master on a 1v1?
would be funny if it were Darth Vectivus
Lord Vader father lives king plagues lives
Darth Jar Jar takes issue with this… he’s the one really running things
King Darth dark lord plagues the wise the one that his many names still alive he behind everything
It's understandable why Sidious was hiding this. Secrets,immortality,Anakin's birth. Vader could be more powerful I didnt know this. I think he would be greatly impressed by Plageious. May the Force be with you too :)
He was so miserable with himself and what he had done etc. That when confronted with Ahsoka, someone he supposedly had love for he tries to kill her. Makes absolutely no sense to me.
Far as im concerned Anakin and or Vader was just a huge piece of crap. For many many reasons. And truly cared about no one, except himself. 🤷🏼♂️Just my opinion.
fate is the stage and we each have our appointed destinations. Sidious had his marionette in anakin irrespective of the side of the force he chose. choosing the darkside meant he had full domination of his chosen servant, and this is echoed in return of the jedi when he egotistically claims ownership of luke skywalker.
"cracked the secret to immortality, which became evident in The Rise of Skywalker" ☠️ i hope George buys back Star Wars soon 😭
is it just me or at 4:50, Anakin kinda looks like Nicholas Cage?
Did.. did you say “importality” and “exasterbated”?
Where is all of these knowledge coming from? Novels? Books? Documentaries?
And Anakin Skywalker could have Learn how the Ones of Mortis Gained There Immortality Though I wonder if they'd be Willing to Disclose Such Knowledge without Ensuring Anakin Stayed On Mortis
I wonder what it would have been like if Plagueis survived instead of Sidious I’m sure Plagueis would train Anakin/Vader
My guess before watching the video is Darth Andeddu cause you know he actually achieved immortality
Honestly I think he was going to have Vader replace him once before. Remember he told yoda he will become more powerful than either of us, and plus Palpatine knew vader would kill him one day probably the rule of 2, but if Palpatine truly master Immortality he would have killed vader himsel. But once Obi-Wan crippled him Palpatine had no need for vader just go do something kill some jedi, found some rebel. Basically why would Palpatine teach vader a machine now anything. I wouldn't I would look at vader as my Greatest Achievement by turning the Chose one to the dark side which literally the Galaxy NEVER recovered from on down to the very last descended of Skywalker, but also my greatest faulty cause he a crippled machine now he always looked at vader as a disappointment.
Wait so sidious had no intention to even share his info even though the whole rule of two is set up where the master teaches almost all till the apprentice is ready to dual the master till death then so on and so forth, but this sap kept all the lingo and decided to go full blown test tube baby so he could rule forever through his copies 😳 , so basically he didn't have an apprentice ! He had a certified ass wiping gofer with only child syndrome and murderous homicidal tendencies 🤷🤦 , dude said F the rule of two I just need some psycho's to hold my nuts while I rule the galaxy 😳🤨
Nice
I still feel all of this was a dream that never happened or events could be reversed
I think it was Plagueis who created Anakin. Sidious reaped the reward.
if vader did a conciseness transfer to a clone would he be 100%
Luke skywalker grandfather lives kylo ren grandfather lives Lord Vader father lives king Darth dark lord plagues behide everything not palpatine
Couldn't they fit the "dark empire series" in🤔 since luke will be 30 during this Time and he's only 28 during mandolrian ☺️ we need a fight btwn Luke n young clone sidous. describe in the book dbz style 😅 fighting so fast laia couldn't even follow 😌 plz
I kinda believe that plagueis is still alive
someone should show this to vader.
i think that i would have loved to see a fair fight between gaylen mareek and dark dickcheese... Gaylen was very powerful because of Vaders Training... i give him that but if it wasnt for vaders betrail.... Gaylen would have killed them both if he wanted to... Cannon is life!!
Could Plagueis Truly Create Life He Tried to Create another Sentient Being and He Indirectly Caused the Birth of the Jedi Chosen one when His Midichlorian Manipulation Backfired On Him
That was the Force itself striking back against what Plagueis was doing.
@@davidpaz9389 That's why I said Indirectly
I am sure he did teach him about darth plaqueis the wise immortality right?
He was just a pawn Ina sick game
Still think Plaugueis faked his death and is actually Jar Jar. Maybe he moved is consciousness
Gonna guess it's Vectivus or Darth Gravid.
That is not what an immaculate conception is.