Turn MTG into Uno with this Simple Trick!
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
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This is the craziest deck I've ever made and have been waiting a long time to make this video! It was almost my first video!
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Insane. Not like "wicked sick" insane, more like "clinically challenged" insane. But still extremely cool, it's insane in every sense of the term that you guys can come up with stuff like this, this must've took alot of effort, big props.
Thank you and maybe I am a little insane for bringing this to my LGS
If that is insanity, someone grab me a straightjacket
The day I can freely follow all of these interactions is the day I win Magic
I think everyone that has seen this needs a demonstration of this deck in action
Maybe that’s a future live stream idea
@@thetrinketmage You absolutely have make a video of taking this behemoth to your LGS
+1, i understoo only half of it
@@MentallyLatent I’ll consider it… problem is setting up the camera and stuff at my lgs
@@thetrinketmagetabletop simulator?
"people at the LGS were more confused than impressed" SMH people can't appreciate art.
Finally a way to make sure everyone is playing the same power level
this is what commander is all about
i love that "make infinite mana and cast infinite copies of shocks" is like, step one of this process
That's the "We're playing by my rules now, and if you don't want to, then you're dead."
I like how half of this is dedicated to making everyone play *your* deck exclusively rather than the uno deck itself.
As Richard Garfield intended
I honestly havent been playing magic long enough to follow how quickly you go through this, but you and your friends mastery of these interactions is fascinating to listen to
This is definitely not a new player friendly deck! But come back and check out the primer later!
@@thetrinketmage for sure! Your channel inspired me to make my own personalized commander deck for the first time so thanks for that 🫡
This is MtG's equivalent of Yugioh's Flower Cardian, Amazing.
Tbh, I'd be initially confused as well if this was suddenly dropped on me. This is definitely one of those concept deck lists where you emulate the thing you're basing deck off of rather than something to seriously play at a table as UNO is so easily accessible at stores.
Other content creators do tier lists and deck tune-ups; my boy Trinket Mage is out here reinventing the entire game of Magic.
I mean, there was an entire thing about making an mtg based computer
@@OatmealTheCrazy Kyle Hill is an Avengers-level nerd threat, though
Sleight of Mind would let you change colors of something on top after a wild card or a draw four.
Ohhhh that’s a great idea
And I thought my 37 infinite combo Kenny deck is something special 🤯
Kenrith loves ham sandwiches 😂 I have a Kenny/Zirda deck that's unfair
I've read a couple years ago in a math research paper that mtg can be set up to be a Turing machine. The authors did an AMA on reddit at the time. I think they'd be very interested in your work if you want to share it with them. From what I understand, this is somehow a proof that 4 player UNO is contained into 4 player edh.
You'd have to implement the "say UNO when only one card in hand" but this should be possible somehow with allowing unsets and gotcha mechanics.
I saw the Turing machine deck it’s very cool! And yea hopefully those who made it will see my video I bet they’d get a kick out of it
I mean if they don't say uno you just have kenny draw them cards
Kyle Hill made a video about it
@@thetrinketmage You can contact them. Researchers are used to getting emails from random people to show them stuff, they won't think it's weird.
Their turing machine doesn't allow for inputs (or for any player to make any choice ever) while it's running, can only allow one player to win with the other outcome being a draw caused by an infinite loop, and I think it only works with two players, so you'd need to play an entire game of Magic to simulate every turn and somehow use the final board state to represent the game state. Plus, it doesn't really allow for hidden information, so you'd need a third party to run those games and give the uno players the information they're allowed to have every turn. Basically, the machine can only store the game state and evaluate the legality and outcome of moves. There's also no good way to implement the rule about saying uno in this system. I do definitely think the creators of the mtg turing machine or any of its predecessors would appreciate this though.
I also built a similar deck called Codie's auction house with Codie as a commander (because he can Tutor for cards with Profane Tutor) trying to reset and lock down the game. Then, the game is "programmed" to flip a random creature every turn and cast Illicit Auction on it. Everyone then fights with the creatures they get, and the board becomes bigger every turn, so that paying life for the auction becomes more and more risky. Lifelink creatures are very good
"First, make infinite mana."
I get that this is pretty standard behavior for a lot of combo decks, but show this to someone who is new to MTG.
This vid is definitely not new player friendly… but hopefully some experienced players can enjoy it
@@thetrinketmageas a new player this video is delightfully unhinged. I love it.
I've actually been working on a format that basically works like this, without the setup, so this is really cool to see
A format where everyone draws from one deck?
@@thetrinketmage Everyone plays from one deck and during each player's end step they may cast any card as though it had flash and without paying it's mana cost if it shares a color or has the same mana value as the last card to be put in the graveyard, or draws a card. If at any time a player has no cards in hand they win the game
@@Lismakingmovie I'd love to see a list for this if you have it
I put this in the category of Kyle Hill's deck that actually works as a computer. Pretty thought provoking, pretty far out there - and just proves the complexity of Magic compared to other tabletop games.
Richard as Magic Garfield intended
Honestly I love this, I'd love to see more absolutely insane stuff like this
I definitely, didn't understand much of the combo - but big props and kudos!
From what I've gathered it's well thought out and fun. Definitely Johnny as hell, and I respect that.
If I ever get rich, this is going ip there with the Turing Complete MtG deck in terms of weird unplayable piles I want to buy
Proxies exist
As someone who ran a Tasigur deck with a Mastermind's Acquisition into a Battle of Wits wincon, I followed this no problem. I LOVE the convoluted nature of this deck, but this one goes too far for me personally. Anytime one of my decks(or deck concepts) gets to a point where I think I would not have fun if I were to play against it I generally scrap it.
I'm glad you mentioned channeling because recently I made a Gandalf, Westward Voyager (the Simic one that cares about 5+ MV spells) deck that uses a ton of channel/cycle creatures. A lot of them are above 5 mana so they trigger Gandalf when hard cast, but we also have a ton of delve and big spells that are reduced by the number of creature cards in your graveyard so we can get multiple Gandalf triggers while paying very little actual mana. Not to mention we're using convoke, undaunted, evoke, emerge, etc., basically every trick in the book to get as many 5+ MV spells as possible on each of our turns. Each individual spell might not be as crazy as some other simic big mana decks (aside from the delve extra turn spell that will never not be wild, especially if gandalf copies it), but it's better at not immediately drawing arch enemy attention, it feels more durable than hail marying singular big dumb casts, and, as one of my opponents put it once, it feels like I always have an answer to everything.
Tell me dear viewer, at what point did you realize that all that he was saying just went into one ear and then got out from the other ? For me it was around minute 8
Around minute 5 I lost the thread.
this is great. my forever-dream mtg combo is, in the rules abilities need to be game objects (like spells and creatures) because they exist on the stack. and it feels like there most be some combo that manages to get an ability to ETB (which the rules do not explicitly prohbit, the way instants and sorceries explicitly cannot ETB)
You should turn mtg into Yahtzee next
That might be possible
This is so fucking genius, I absolutely adore this so much. Your magic mind is beautiful and I’m subscribing instantly.
I made a Bobblehead Deck with Brudiclad.
Already won with Luck Bobblehead 3 times.
Make 42 Luck Bobbleheads and let the dice roll!
That’s awesome! I have yet to see a bauble head deck
@@thetrinketmage Honestly you need lots of tutors, token makers and protection so counterspells galore.
Then it works out fine and the whole table will look at you like you're crazy for turning Mtg into D&D for a turn :P
I think if you wanted to play this at an event and surprise people you'd need to say like "I'm gonna trick you all into playing a different card game, first person to guess the card game wins"
I love the videos, your discord, and your patreon. However, if anyone ever brought this deck out in my pod, it would insta win through concessions.
And I respect that
I have a couple questions. I probably missed stuff.
8:55 "If any player doesn't have the ability to play something that will trigger thought prision, ... they have to draw a card by atacking with Medomai, and they keep drawing until they play somthing"
What prevents the players from playing things that don't trigger the prision, are they supposed to play into it only because it is optimal?
What forces them to attack if they don't play anything?
How is Medomai's extra turn limitation avoided so that they can take more than two turns?
First two questions: Yeah, I guess the assumption is that they are still trying to win and only make plays that lead them towards winning.
Third question: Trinket Mage explained this weirdly. In UNO, if you can't play (or choose not to), you get to draw a card, and then you can play the card you drew if possible, but if not, then you just pass your turn. In this case, you either play, or draw with Medomai and then play, or draw with Medomai and then can't play, so you pass. You only get to 'keep drawing until you play something' in terms of several rounds of the turn order, if that makes sense?
@@lucasriddle3431 I see, that part was explained weirdly indeed.
In that case, if I understand properly, if another player doesn't have anything to play, nothing forces them to attack, right? They are free to pass turn without drawing. I'm not dure drawing would always be on their best interest.
@@cerocero2817 Correct. I'm not sure when it would ever be a good idea to not attack, though.
Furthermore, this could be remedied with any of the Impetus enchantments or a few other Auras that exist in the game that can goad enchanted creature. That would obligate the player to attack with Medomai, unless they cast a spell (with Angelic Arbiter still preventing them from doing both).
Cool concept. However i dont think ill every jump through all the hoops to acomplish this. Planning on making any other games using mtg?
Not as of now... but maybe if I can figure one out I will make a follow up!
“Yea I scooop”
The question should never be "why make the game into UNO" but rather "why not?"
Finally a good game
This is a deck a Cenobite would play.
There is one deck that might be the most complicated, the sub game deck. It is a commander deck designed to imitate shahrazad using only legal cards. There is the Turing complete deck but that isn’t commander
What an interesting lockout deck. It would be a shame if someone were to... Interact with it.
Well yea… presumably once you have infinite mana they won’t be able to do anything cause they would’ve interacted with the infinite mana combo
Okay, there is now one net deck that I don't think my game store's owner will hate.
*Marty voice* isn't that just UNO with extra steps?
*Rick voice* Yup, that's the point, way to pay *buuurp*ahh-ttention, Morty
When you draw your whole deck, put on a Saw-mask and hit them with "I want to play a game"
Blow my mind with this one, if some one done this in a game I would be so amazed, 10/10 deck
I'm building this myself right now, and trying to make a few modifications. One notable thing is that I think I found a fix to two core problems of the gamestate:
1. Every time you need to cast Shocks from the Scepter, you need to bounce Rule of Law which is inconvenient and too "game master"-y. I'm gonna fix this by using Ghirapur Aether Grid instead.
2. Every time you need to flicker the Thought Prison, you end up revealing your entire hand to your opponents, which doesn't happen in UNO. I'm gonna fix this by using a Gustha's Scepter to exile my hand face down when I need to do that, and return my hand to my hand right after. To do this I'd need to untap it a lot, so I'm just going to give everyone infinite Sonic Screwdrivers instead of Coalition Relic.
Another thing I noticed is that you can probably cut down on steps by just having a scepter with Planar Incision flicker the Thought Prison, and cut Skilled Animator from the deck entirely.
Unless I'm missing something. Maybe having exactly the correct number of creatures out at a time is more relevant than I think, and that's why we're running 1 more than necessary?
WAIT WHY THE F*** AREN'T WE JUST BLINKING THE THOUGHT PRISON WITH VENSER AND RECASTING IT IF WE HAVE A VEDALKEN ORRERY???
5:43
SO, wait, if I'm getting this right-
You play Nevermore naming whatever
then Fractured Identity targeting Nevermore
then Fractured Identity, again and again, targeting your opponent's token Nevermores to give you a triplet of commander-denying token Nevermores
BUT if your opponents name Fractured Identity when they receive their Nevermores, you instead have to use Deadeye Nav to flicker Venser to get rid of that troublesome Nevermore, and you can proceed with Fracturing the Identities of the other Nevermores.
Now, if only one opponent does this, that's fine. But if every opponent names Fractured Identity, with every Nevermore they receive, the combo stops here. You get stuck in an infinite loop of giving your opponents Nevermores, retrieving your own from exile, getting rid of all their troublesome Nevermores, then giving them more. But per the game rules, you, the active player, are obligated to break this loop, i.e., by... um, doing something else.
SO (assuming your opponents understand this interaction) this combo doesn't work without at least ONE opponent's consent.
...of course, they could've long since conceded, so, you need their consent anyway... but, I just wanted to point this out I guess.
and now I watched the rest of the video.
I kind of lament how much action you have to put in to make the game work. It would be cool if we could automate it further. However, 'whenever a player casts a spell, bounce that spell, then bounce Thought Prison', is a tall order to piece together out of magic cards. 'Whenever a player draws a card, kill two of their tokens' might be more doable. Dealing with the extra soldiers created by Medomai damage also is probably doable.
Also, I'm not sure you understand this, but YOU are not playing UNO in this case, only acting as a sort of 'game master'. Shared Fate replaces your draws with pseudo-draws from opponents' libraries, and since all your opponents' libraries are empty, you aren't drawing any cards at all. ...Unless I guess you bounce Shared Fate in your upkeep every time your turn comes around, so you can draw normally, then put it back down during your main phase. OK, wait, nevermind, that works, my bad.
Yes you are correct about everything! The never more thing does require some cooperation from opponents but so does this whole thing so it really doesn’t matter! And yea just bounce the shared fare so you can draw from your own deck
YO IM NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH A JESKA GOAD DECK LETS GO
this video makes me wonder if its possible to build Doom out of a commander deck
3 things.
1:This is amazing. Thankyou.
2:have you seen the uno amalgum videos where someone is putting all the rules from every different uno game into one game?
3:Can we do that in magic too?
Augh. I spent like 40 minutes reading that Reddit thread and broke my brain just barely trying to comprehend it. Now I think I almost understand the post.
Another boring good stuff Kenrith deck trying to make infinite mana, boring !
This deck is my kind of Rube Goldberg machine. I also love lantern control o7
There is an academic paper of making magic a Turing machine, which means it's definitely doable to encode an Uno
I know this video isn’t new but I was literally thinking about this today, wondering if this was possible so cheers!
I’d love to see more about your channel control deck
I might make a vid about all my current decks or something
This is by far the coolest mtg combo I've ever seen, and I've seen a LOT of weird ones.
I promise the average play group will be more annoyed that they had to play against a look at my gimmick deck than they would be about panoptic mirror
Welp. I have a Kenrith Commander Cube where everyone gets Kenny and drafts the 99, with most of the cards saying 'target' for super-politicking. This is giving me a lot to think about with fun shit to change it up.
🤣🍻 Hectic! What happens if you don't say UNO?
shock four of their tokens and kenrith to draw them 2 cards?
you beat me to the answer!
Tell me Magic is Turing complete without telling me Magic is Turing complete
Your opponents could just never choose to give you the cards back with Tasigur and cause you to deck yourself, but you'd probably be playing with friends so that'd be shitty, and also you can threaten them with infinite shocks.
You don't have to draw, your library can be empty. You have infinite mana so you are returning your entire graveyard to hand with tasigur they don't really have a choice
Can't wait for One With Nothing to get added to the Uno Amalgam
Im halfway through and I don't have the slightest clue wtf is going on lmao, this is bananas
This is awesome! Just one thing though, how do you make a copy of Isochron Septer (an artifact) with Copy Enchantment? I don't understand how that's possible, but also I don't think it's necessary anyways with the Tasigur able to loop anything you want.
When you play copy artifact it makes a copy that is also an enchantment in addition to its other types
@@thetrinketmage Oh! Yep that explains it. Thanks!
Okay, this is pretty damn great. I'm sure there are lots of other card games you can simulate with the same basic engine as well.
Weird idea for the wilds, would painters servant work since to set up the combo to begin with you need Venser, Shaper Savant. So every time someone plays a wild you can put painters servant into your hand they say the color of their choice and since you have Vedalkan Orrery you can cast it at instant speed and name the chosen wild color, and while the wild is the top card it will be the chosen color. Additionally if once someone plays the right color from the wild you can blink painters servant and then the game can resume. As if a wild was played. I personally think wild cards should be wastes so when the player plays the wild it is now the waste is now the chosen color without any additional color identity! If someone try’s to play a spell of the wrong color you can just end their turn with the blue card I forgot the name of lol and horse them to draw 2 with Kenrith idk if this would work or not but It just popped into my head lol. P.S a fun rule would be if you don’t call uno and someone else says it first you force them to draw 2 with Kenrith.
Hey, i have a pretty intresting question. Could you build this deck with 4 colors? Kenrith and infinite mana would basically allways win you the game on the spot, so that could be a feelbad so some players. Could you run this with 4c under thrasios and tymna? There are barely any red cards you need for the combo so maybe it could work, and thrasios will work to draw the whole deck like you need!?
@7:41. Can you hold priority and cast a sorcery? I thought it could only be instants?
with Vedalken Orrery you can flash in anything
@@thetrinketmage ohhh i forgot lol
So if I'm reading it right, part of it is just gaining so much power and control that you get to enforce the extra rules of uno as you please.
You have Uno! It came free with your Magic: The Gathering deck!
This is the MtG equivalent of an Arbitrary Code Execution TAS
yea especially if your at a LGS with rando people who maybe actually wanted to play with their cards and there's that chance someone achieves "winning the game" before your ready to deploy the combo. Would love to know how this would feel to players who are completely new to the game and are potentially working with "worse than precon" cards.
Playing a deck like this against someone who is playing their first commander game sounds funny but might lead to more confusion than it's worth!
maskwood nexus/conspiracy/adaptive adaptation/rukarumel + moonmist + isochron scepter + double faced cards
Hey, I saw on another video that you are still on JVP storm and have been since 2016. A lot of the lists online are outdated, I was wondering if you had an updated list as after 5 years I finally got the promo for the card as a birthday gift, and as a long time legacy high tide enjoyer, as well as a huge fan of jace and his story I wanted to build the deck. I have a low power superfriends deck where I just play every card that mentions jace and some cool lore moments for him on cards, I have a higher power version with more synergy with the commander and some generic commander staples, but I was wondering if you had a full CEDH list up somewhere
Here is my current list!
www.moxfield.com/decks/Um0YGvaSyU6zPHmTL4mz8w
@@thetrinketmage thanks so much! It even looks like it would work pretty well in my current meta
I don't see how the sphinx was needed for the attack to draw a card...
Was it for the extra turn? Because you can't attack with them on your extra turn.
But in real uno, you draw once. Then your turn is over.
So it could have been any monster, right? Why does it have to be the sphinx?
Depends how you play. Everyone plays uno a little different so for that version yes any creature would do. Long as it can fly
Magic is cool in that you COULD do this. But subjecting strangers to this without telling them what you’re doing and having them consent seems like an extreme unforeseen tedium. Sure play it against your friends maybe once but it’s seriously a pain. Like cool flex, you can make Magic into Uno in a commander game. But come on, strangers’ time matters too.
probably better to do this with friends who are down with it, cant expect random others to know exactly how this works
I'll be honest, I think it would be easier to program a PC from scratch than to both make this deck and actually manage to pull it off in an actual game of Magic.
I have a four player box where any of the two decks interact with each other and confess some creature. Lots of fun.
The second I saw thought prison it finally clicked, but my GOD
I need to see this played!
This is so fuckin funny I love this
Build a turing complete commander deck.
God this is so insane. I'd love to see something else as well.
I've had a crazy idea for a while of a deck that plays like a colony sim ( i.e manor lords) where you play farmland, have farmers and the like, or have training grounds for soldiers, alchemy to study science and etc. havent even started to figure it out tho
I didn't fully understand everything but this is kinda crazy and hilarious. Good stuff 👍
Huh. I'd have just gotten a bunch of basic lands and just drawn numbers on them. Swamps for wild cards, islands for blue, moutain for red, forest for green and plains for yellow.
Need a demonstration of this deck
I MUST try this hahaha
Actually programmed another game inside of Magic the Gathering
At what point in this video do you reestablish your library so you don't lose the game to Wheel of Fortune (7:40)?
Before it resolves discard your hand to the crown of madness then flicker the guy who shuffles in your graveyard
This is the kind of deck that a friend of mine and I would make, we'll make sure to make two copies of it and run it at the same time, for sillyness' sake.
After 12 minutes of listening his explanation "lantern control is my favourite deck". I see why you are doing this.
This is a pretty cool idea
This was so cool
I have a yidris deck thats mostly donates and beneficial for opponent spells. It offers a choice, would you like the benefit of the spell I have in hand/on the field, or do you want the mystery box! As if I hit them I cascade into something.
Funny thought experiment.
I wanna take this deck and tweak it to turn MTG into Poker. Everybody gambles…
eight thousand dollars. . . just to play uno
I would recommend using proxies please don’t buy dual lands for this deck
But could we make this all forced game actions, instead of having a "uno rules enforcer" after everything is set up?
As far as I could tell no. There isn’t a way to do the uno pile without it being manual
Next magic set eill have a uno collad lol