Since the focus of all these -Logs channels is usually people who are not well versed in the game at hand I believe this is the perfect channel to explain the different formats. Since there are so many officially supported formats it could even be in the form of a Top 8 list to keep it more appealing to the YT overlords.
Great idea. Top 8 decks of every format. Or at least modern and legacy. Standart would maybe change to regularly. But you could do top standart decks in history or smth similar
11:40 one clarification about Leyline of the void: it only prevents 'cards' from going to the graveyard. Tokens are not considered 'cards' and still technically hit the graveyard before vanishing. Therefore Leyline of the Void does NOT prevent death triggers of tokens.
I would've expected Bridge from Below to be on the list... while every card on the list could still be cast by hook or by crook for some effect, Bridge is actually the one card that does absolutely nothing when cast. Anger and Wonder are also cards worth considering for their time period.
Emrakul is a also key piece for the modern deck Calibrated Blast, where the namesake card deals damage to target creature, planeswalker, or player equal to the mana value of the first nonland card you revealed from the top of your deck using its effect. Emrakul's mana value is 15, which is the largest among all cards legal in the format, meaning that it can OTK (or two-turn kill) your opponent if they go down as low as 15 life. The deck was built around several high-mana-value cards in order to hit them more consistently. With the game can end as soon as turn 5, it's virtually impossible to cast her. She's also a key piece in an old legacy deck Four Horsemen, where it's a combo deck involving milling your entire deck until you mill three Narcomoeba with Emrakul being used to reset the milling should it fail.
Fun fact I learned recently: Progenitus was legal in Standard at the same time as Elvish Piper briefly, so they were cheating that bad boy into the battlefield in Standard.
I don't play anymore but seeing elvish spirit guide there made my day. I was playing it back in the days (4th edition) to cast Ernan Djinn turn 1 or sengir vampire turn 2 and I felt like a boss 😂
The best thing about Leyline of the Void is its interaction with Living End. All their cards that died? Gone. Their grave is empty. All their cards trying to enter the grave? Also gone. You get your stuff, they get ZILCH.
Best part of leyline is they can't counter it and it hoses decks that use the graveyard. Living end decks are usually far better equipped to use living end than the opponent unless it's a mirror match. Like your reanimator opponent in legacy won't be able to force of will leyline when it starts in play if they use countermagic. Same reason leyline of sanctity if so good against targeted discard, they have no chance to strip it if it starts in play.
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I would add Worldgorger Dragon as an honorable mention. Too expensive to cast and horribly bad if you cast him normally, but use a reanimate aura and it's an easy two card infinite combo.
My friend recently "gifted" me a worldgorger with his beamtown bullies in a commander game. I was playing Captain N'gathrod theft. It absolutely ruined me.
I personally play an explorer legal Omniscience combo deck, where I reanimate it with Repair and Recharge (new card from BRO, 3WW that returns an artifact, enchantment or planeswalker from the graveyard to the battlefield, as well as creating a powerstone that's useless for the combo). Previously used Invoke Justice for it, which could return any permanent but had a much more color intense cost (1WWWW). Fairly strong; can go off on turn 5 in the Esper version I run, or even turn 4 if you run the Jeskai version.
I think Emrakul used to be hardcast in Tron decks back in the day, although I think its fallen out of favor for cheaper options in more modern times (15 is still a high bar to hit). Colorless mana cards have so many options to turbo though.
@@Necroskull388 I mean, if you have the mana to cast Emrakul, I do think you just cast it. But by the time you get there the game should functionally be over already.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa If in Tron decks, 15 mana takes like, 6 turns to get the mana to cast, and that's if you get all your towers. It's too slow for formats where combo and aggro decks kill you on turn 4. You need things like Ulamog and Karn that interact with the board before then
There's a combo that lets you hardcast Emrakul as early as turn 3 or 4, although I imagine some of the pieces are banned. Basically Channel the Suns + Fist of the Suns means you only need 4 mana to hardcast him.
I once had a commander game where an opponent managed to get a Griselbrand on the board. We had lost all hope at winning the game since he had a lot of ways to keep it on the battlefield, but I drew an Emrakul, the promised end. Turns out paying 7 life to draw 7 cards an unconditional amount of times is a pretty strong ability after all.
My favorite deck back when I played mtg arena actually played omniscience for its full cost. It was called overflowing omniscience and it used overflowing insight to force your opponent to draw cards, and gaea’s blessing and nexus of fate to let you do so infinitely. Was super fun until they banned nexus, was when I stopped playing
I think Golgari Grave Troll really deserves to be 1st on this list. Every card on here I've seen hardcast or hardcast it myself at some point. While it may not be the optimal strategy, it is a thing that happens. By contrast, I'm not sure dredge players even remember that they can tap mana to cast spells anymore. Golgari Grave Troll is essentially the poster child for the deck that's been a format spanning boogieman. It, more than any other other card I can think of, is emblematic of players showing up to play some unfair magic. I mean, I've seen a few Lands decks that run Emrakul just so when they ramp to 16+ mana, they can turn their Karakas into take infinite turns by casting Emrakul, then bouncing it. And every reanimator deck has had games where neither them or their opponent was able to successfully go off early, and the game has just gone on long enough they don't need to cheat out their wincons anymore. Narcomoeba and the Spirit Guides are very reasonable to cast creatures if it needs to happen. Street Wraith is pretty close to troll in that its a very underwhelming, expensive creature to cast, with a good effect instead of casting it, but the wraith also is just potentially useful outside of only the most degenerate of decks, and a bad plan b is a lot better than no plan b.
I seem to remember a match where Reid Duke was playing Legacy Elves and by some miracle actually hard casted Progenitus and won the game. That's the sort of thing that would only ever happen to Reid.
Omniscience was also part of Lotus Field combo decks in Pioneer, which could make the mana to hardcast it Think it's fallen out of favor there for other cards though, but it was in the precon and I like it too much to swap it out
@@leftysheppey yes, that was the point of my comment since it is a counterexample to how the video claims decks that run it cheat it out and don't cast it
@@dstreetz91 i hardly know about pioneer and modern stuff so legacy and co are mysteries to me, good to know though Which decks make that amount of mana in case I wanna look them up?
@@TheLuckySpades omnishow. They play 4 ancient Tomb, which taps for 2 mana, and various other ways of getting fast mana. But they also play lots of cantrips and counterspells, so mirrors can take a while
The OTHER reason for Omnitell is that getting the cast trigger on Emrakul is actually kind of important. and if they Karakas it you just cast it *again* The other reason karakas gets around emmy's protection is that it's colorless. All lands are colorless (except dryad arbor)
The little mispronounced names make this so much better. It shows that you didn’t come to this from years of playing this game like most mtg content creators. Craterhoof being called Caterhoof just amused me.
Had a fun interaction with Archon once where it was meant to do what it said it does up until the point it didn't. After all, you have to target a player first and I had hexproof. It made for a fun 10 second pause where he had to mull over what to do next.
I don't know why I can't remember it right now, but the Kaldra equipment would work wonders with the one cost white enchantment that allows you to attach an equipment to a creature you control as soon as it enters the battlefield.
I think lands deserve at least a comment shout-out here. They get played but not cast, if memory serves. (Sorry for being cheeky. I enjoyed the video.)
what format? blightsteel is a lot better then archon in EDH. Both are trash in vintage. Blightsteel was better in standard ( Ok, tbf, archon was printed directly into modern )
@@ich3730 the only times Blightsteel ever saw play in constructed were a single pro tour player (who did poorly) who played it as a 1 of in a Standard Tezzeret Agent of Bolas deck, and some crazy people who briefly experimented with Blightsteel in Modern alongside Nahiri the Harbinger.
@@ich3730 Archon of Cruelty is better in modern. You say blightsteel is better in commander, which by comparison it definitely is, but a lot of commander decks are getting faster and faster combo wins that are outpacing blightsteel. The scriptwriter for this video made a previous version of this list a few months ago on his own channel that put blightsteel towards the bottom because it's primary home was to be cheated out really early in vintage with Tinker, but other reanimation options in the list were filling that niche because they could be brought back faster and/or had more protection in those old formats where 0 mana interaction is everywhere.
@@kylerdecoopman1106 agreed. Ever see Game Knights? They panic whenever they see a Blightsteel Colossus and have it marked as an instant removal target. They're always surprised if someone doesn't immediately die to a Blightsteel.
i'm assuming rainbow god deck is a world tree deck. My favorite combo with world tree is Maskwood Nexus + dragons. dragons by themselves are fun (namely things like Terror of the Peak and Demanding Dragon. ) but once you can pull off the 11 CMC worldtree (10 cmc + the tree itself so 11) you just go from No Board to BOOM! dragons. Granted this is more a MTGA historic strat than a traditional MtG Modern / Edh strat. I found quite a bit of success from the New Baldur's Gate cards in arena (specifically the dragon orbs) The dragon orbs being mana rocks that give a benefit to any dragon you cast using their mana. (Red - haste, Blue - Scry 2, Green - Hexproof until next turn and +1/+1 counter) The green one forces your opponent to have non targeted removal for any of the dragons with combo effects (Miirym, Terror of the Peaks...etc) of course i also like the theme of I ramp, and strive to obtain all the dragon orbs and then i make a wish upon them to summon a Flight of Dragons (ya know like Goku gathering the dragonballs and making a wish on Dragonball Z)
Back when Future Sight was new, Street Wraith was used in Vintage "Mana-less Dredge" as additional free draw spell. Sure, you don't discard, but another free way to trigger dredge made the deck far more explosive. Also, Ichorid requires you to exile a black creature from the graveyard, wihch made Street Wraith perfect fodder for that over your Stinkweed Imps, which you neded to keep dredging.
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In Commander, Elvish and Simian Spirit Guides are seen frequently in Ad Nauseam decks due to the fact that Ad Nauseam needs a lot of mana to resolve and burning yourself for 3 per Spirit Guide is worth to get more mana to resolve something big like Dockside Extortionist or Underworld Breach to then win the game.
Leyline of the Void: Back when this was printed (2006), NOBODY took it seriously. Dredge was alright, but it took Future Sight to "break" Dredge. Leyline of the Void was about $2 or less and the foil was $5 or less. I got multiple playsets, including a foil play set for my Vintage deck and wsa the first person that I know of to win an event with MAINDECK Leyline of the Void (2007 Vintage tournament) - about 6+ month before GobLines was created (Vintage Goblins with black for Leyline of the Void & Dark Confidant). I was also the one who showed the combo with Helm of Obedience in that year of 2007. Helm of Obedience was another $1 junk rare until i won with it in my Vintage deck. With Leyline of the Void, you repeat the process until thier library has been exiled. Even if they have an Eldrazi, they stil lhaveto exile it becasue the rules state that whenever a loop is created and here is an option to end the loop, thn the active player must make that choice. They cannot choose to loop the Eldrazi replacement effect forever into a draw - they have to eventually choose to let the leyline of the void replacement effect happen instead.
For Progenitus I use Ramos Dragon Engine to pull him out much quicker. With the help of Dark Rituals I can pull Ramos out on turn 2 and his ability is to put a +1/+1 on him for each color of each spell of any kind you cast. If you remove 5 you can get 2 of each color added to your mana pool. You cast progenitus and get your 5 +1/+1 counters back for your troubles.
I somewhat wasn't blown away before with Griselbrand, I knew it was good but I thought that paying 7 life if having low mana would be bad since you would have more card in hand, end turn then discard cards to meet the 7 limit hand on top of losing life, that is until I just realize it when I actually played the card that it has lifelink and has 7 power, so you go neutral with his ability if it gets to attack or you play Golgari like me and have or draw a fight spell, giving you back 7 life and destroying an opponents threat in the process or Rakdos giving it haste, I mention this because I myself didn't saw good it was and no one mentions it, at least not that I've seen so far
Griselbrand, with his "Pay 7 Life: Draw 7 cards" ability, is nearly on the same level as Yawgmoth's Bargain... And it's even better if comboed with Children of Korlis.
Damn, no love for Vintage at all... you could have briefly mentioned Oath of Druids which goes heavy on Griselbrand/Archon and has historically cheated many Emrakuls And Progeniti into play also
Omniscience has had a lot of interesting other places where it’s popped up. In Historic and Modern, it was used in Tibalt’s Trickery decks before TT was banned which cheated it in the first few turns. Emrakul also was another massive payoff in the decks as well. The other place I know of Omniscience being played was in Standard. With Emergent Ultimatum that let you pick 3 mono-colored spells from your deck, and your opponent chooses 2 of them that you would cast for free. The Ultimatum deck was a toolbox of big and scary stuff that answered most things and had instant threats in its Emergent combos. Omniscience was scary by itself, but allowing an opponent to resolve other things like Vorinclex + Kaldheim Tibalt to instantly ult your opponent, Kiora Bests the Sea God, extra turns like Alrund’s Epiphany, or massive draw spells like Sea Gate Restoration. All of the deck was scary, and it made your opponent choose how they wanted to die. And with efficient board control and fast mana, it was hard to keep up with its explosive nature unless you were all-in aggro.
Stone forge mystic can easily get any equipment out on turn one or two if you have any way to boost your mana and lighting grieves or swiftfoot boots in play or just some other way to give it haste. There are many ways to give a creature haste for one or two mana and all you need is to have one available.
slight clarification, flying creatures can be blocked by other creatutres with flying _or reach_ I learned very quickly to be careful around green creatures
Protean Hulk is always super fun to cheat out because you can just taunt your opponent with it. Let it punch you ? Or kill it and risk comboing off and killing you immediately
this reminds me of my emracule deck that sometimes let me play him by turn 4... thing is this was a dumb af deck where i sacced emracule every turn, drew him and every card in my library, played him and every other card, rinse and repeat. only worked 2 out of 10 games but its by far the funnest way to win a game if you ask me XD oh yeah i just have unlimited turns now
Sneak & Breach is my main Legacy deck. (You can see the list on MTGNexus, if you're curious.) ~7 times out of 10, yeah, I'd prefer Griselbrand as my cheaty target over my other threats (Emrakul, Worldspine Wurm, Ilharg, Wurmcoil Engine), so, I'm glad to see him in the #1 spot in this list. If it had been anyone else, I'd have rioted. :P I do think Worldspine Wurm deserves a spot, here, as it can be cheated out with Natural Order, Sneak Attack, AND Show & Tell, but I digress. I think Narcomoeba probably doesn't deserve a top 10 slot compared to it, but I may be biased. Anyway, I do have one criticism of the video: Please work on your card name pronunciation. I twitched every time you said "NECROmoeba" instead of "NARCOmoeba". This is not the only card with which this happened. Anyway, looking forward to seeing more content from you, going forward.
I disagree, as you are far more likely to cast them than you are to cast narcromoeba, which is in decks solely because of it being an enabler for those cards. I would also put creeping chill with those creatures. because, even though its most useful when milled, it can still do something when in hand. unlike narcromoeba.
U should've mentioned the brief stint where Progenitus was discarded for the Kamigawa free spell (I forget it's name) cuz that combo was so insane for Infect n is still possible in Legacy
Blazing shoal. There's a deck on MTGtop8 at the moment which has this combo in legacy. It's running 4 progenitus and 1 reaper King with 3 blazing shoal. They also pitch to force of will, which is quite nice
hey, dont talk down progenitus, my 5mana legend deck averages to cast it as my commander by turn 5, and fastest on turn 2 if you mana combo off. A10/10 commander that require a wrath board wipe evry time i play it is worth it, since my commander deck is planeswalkers/mana ramp and the rest is controll, so an empty board is just perfect, it's not like i struggle to cast it after 50 casts eaither with commander tax xD (yes helix pinacle is in the deck as a joke, i dont think i have ever cast it, even when i hadd 1k+ mana, it would just not be fun, I would rather have a big scary threat that you can use as a nuclear deterant xD
I genuinely didn't know the duel logs guy also did mtg content. I was looking at comments like "YALL KNEW AND DIDNT TELL ME!?" Like why was everyone commenting like this is normal? Oh lol
"Do you think there's any other powerful cards that you don't have to cast?" I'm going to put forth the Ultimatum spells from the Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths set. These were 8-cost Sorceries that required non-converted mana of 3 different colors to be cast - for example, WWBBBGG. As far as their effects go: - Ruinous Ultimatum (RWB): Destroy all nonland permanents your opponents control. - Genesis Ultimatum (GUR): Look at the top 5 cards of your deck, put any number of permanents from among them onto the battlefield, and the rest into your hand. Then Exile Genesis Ultimatum. - Eerie Ultimatum (WBG): Return any number of permanents with different names from the GY to the battlefield. - Inspired Ultimatum (URW): Gain 5 life, deal 5 damage to any target, and draw 5 cards. - Emergent Ultimatum (BGU): Search out 3 monocolored spells from your deck. Your opponent chooses one to shuffle back into your deck, and then you play the other two for free. Exile Emergent Ultimatum. Out of these options, I feel that only Inspired would struggle to close out a game. Eerie and Genesis can easily cheat out large numbers of big creatures; Ruinous can, well, ruin your opponent's ability to keep going; and Emergent is basically asking your opponent to pick the tools you will use to destroy them, since the big boy spells like Omniscience and Griselbrand are, you guessed it, monocolored.
All of these were only used in standard. They haven't seen any play outside of those except perhaps in commander. And of course in standard there was no way to play these ultimatums without casting them.
Fun fact: Despite the amazing synergy Street Wraith had with Death Shadow decks, the card was dropped for a period of time to allow you to play Lurrus as your companion, as both Lurrus and the companion mechanic were so incredibly strong for the deck, it was worth dropping what was basically a free draw to have the Cat. Street Wraith was obviously reintroduced once Lurrus got the banhammer.
@@dstreetz91 some are still prevalent despite the nerf to the mechanic just cause the fact you have a card you can emergency Tutor when your land flooding or is just good with your deck synergy is still strong.
Emrakul I've actually cast semi regularly in modern tron. His shuffle ability has actually saved my ass vs mill decks too, though that's a fairly rare occurence.
I'm a relative novice in MtG, but geez, 3-4 turns to end a game seems ridiculous. I kinda like when games are a bit more drawn out instead of just bam-bam-done.
Jokes on you, I play emrakul the aeons torn all the time in my tron deck. It's so fun watching people just die inside when I cast is after a really long and grindy game.
One thing i don't understand: why do you say Emrakul has no instant value? When it enters you gain an extra Turn. Thats some good value, even more since in the extra turn Emrakul can attack. All befor your opponent can realy react. How is that not instant Value?
16:43 Creatures with protection can't be targeted with abilities of what they're protected from. The reason Karakas works on Emrakul isn't because it's an ability, but because lands are inherently colorless.
@@josephwodarczyk977 That's not true. Creatures with protection CANT be targeted with abilities of the given source. For example, emrakul CANT be targeted by a colored-creature's abilities.
@@lifeiswonderful22 emrakul does not have protection from creatures. Once a creature spell resolves, it's a permanent. Not a spell. Emrakul has protection from spells. This confusion is why the innistrad version has protection from instants.
@@lifeiswonderful22 read the card again. This spell can't be countered. When you cast this spell, take an extra turn after this one. Flying, protection from spells that are one or more colors, annihilator 6 When Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their graveyard into their library.
I remember the days when you could run street wraith, gitaxian probe, and manamorphose in the same list, effectively running a 48-card list. Shit was wild
Number 1 should have been Island. The card literally transcends formats, and has crucially impacted every meta. (On second thought, the whole list should have been filled with lands.)
What’s a way I can protect my dragons deck from a cheap 2-3 mana anti dragon/anti flying board wipe Ps edit: if you can cheat the effects fo Spawnsire of Ulamog you can actually get out all three Titan Eldrazi in both their forms and a number of other cards to boost them up including maybe Eldrazi Conscription on Emrakul making it a 25/25 giving it trample on top of its flying and protections and adding another 2 to its annihilator
TL:DR: Protection does not prevent destroy. Protection prevents: Damage, Enchant/equip, Blocked, and targeted. (D.E.B.T) Non-target destroy like Wrath of God do effect creatures with protection. Protection works against DEBT: Damage, Enchanted, Blocked, and Targeted. Destroy still works as long as it doesn't target. So for the case of Progenitius (PROG) PROG can't be: Damaged by anything Equipped by anything / Enchanted by Anything Blocked by anything Targeted by anything However, it can still be killed by: Board Wipes and Sacrifices Which means: wrath of god, Damnation, Blood on the sands, cleansing nova, Planar Cleansing, Doomskar....etc all work on it. Its rule: 702.16b - 702.16F 702.16b A permanent or player with protection can’t be targeted by spells with the stated quality and can’t be targeted by abilities from a source with the stated quality. 702.16c A permanent or player with protection can’t be enchanted by Auras that have the stated quality. Such Auras attached to the permanent or player with protection will be put into their owners’ graveyards as a state-based action. (See rule 704, “State-Based Actions.”) 702.16d A permanent with protection can’t be equipped by Equipment that have the stated quality or fortified by Fortifications that have the stated quality. Such Equipment or Fortifications become unattached from that permanent as a state-based action, but remain on the battlefield. (See rule 704, “State-Based Actions.”) 702.16e Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent or player with protection is prevented. 702.16f Attacking creatures with protection can’t be blocked by creatures that have the stated quality. Protection does not prevent destroy. Destroy does not target unless otherwise stated (Murder for instance is 1BB: Destroy target creature>Prevented due to it targeting, Damnation> 2BB destroy ALL creatures>not prevented. doesn't target Destroy does not damage. So Protection does not affect it Destroy does not block So protection does not affect it Destroy does not Enchant/Equip so protection does not affect it.
i have a plan for an cedh deck, where i get unlimited mana really fast (unlimited copies of black lotus...) want to include some of those... and cast them... just to cast them...
Except for the time I drafted Progenitus and dropped it games 2 and 3 on the same dude. He was also salty that I dared to cast it, but for different reasons
dishonorable mention to Evermind, the only card with no mana cost with no actual way to cast it outside of stuff like cascade. the only way to use it is by splicing it onto arcane spells which arent a particulary synergystic group of cards, most arcane cards see play because theyre good and not because they have the arcane subtype
Since the focus of all these -Logs channels is usually people who are not well versed in the game at hand I believe this is the perfect channel to explain the different formats. Since there are so many officially supported formats it could even be in the form of a Top 8 list to keep it more appealing to the YT overlords.
Great idea. Top 8 decks of every format. Or at least modern and legacy. Standart would maybe change to regularly. But you could do top standart decks in history or smth similar
Good idea
@@TheDuelLogs What about cards to cheat out?
I'm almost certain they did make a video explaining the formats. Did you check their uploads list?
@@notlunalust My comment is older than the video you are talking about. And since they answered me I might have inspired them to make it.
11:40 one clarification about Leyline of the void: it only prevents 'cards' from going to the graveyard. Tokens are not considered 'cards' and still technically hit the graveyard before vanishing. Therefore Leyline of the Void does NOT prevent death triggers of tokens.
Unlike Yugioh
that's hilarious, i love it
Holy crap, I can't believe I never realized that before! It'll basically never be relevant to me ever, but it's neat to know.
Lands, no one has ever cast a land, yet they’re heavily played!
Clearly you have never watched Stephen Green on Commander Versus.
Love how you explain the rules/interaction while showing all the other cards that you've mentioned! Super helpful for players, even veterans :)
I would've expected Bridge from Below to be on the list... while every card on the list could still be cast by hook or by crook for some effect, Bridge is actually the one card that does absolutely nothing when cast.
Anger and Wonder are also cards worth considering for their time period.
I am now inspired to make a mono black constellation deck with bridge as the only enchantment
Yep, was looking for Bridge from below too.
Emrakul is a also key piece for the modern deck Calibrated Blast, where the namesake card deals damage to target creature, planeswalker, or player equal to the mana value of the first nonland card you revealed from the top of your deck using its effect. Emrakul's mana value is 15, which is the largest among all cards legal in the format, meaning that it can OTK (or two-turn kill) your opponent if they go down as low as 15 life. The deck was built around several high-mana-value cards in order to hit them more consistently. With the game can end as soon as turn 5, it's virtually impossible to cast her.
She's also a key piece in an old legacy deck Four Horsemen, where it's a combo deck involving milling your entire deck until you mill three Narcomoeba with Emrakul being used to reset the milling should it fail.
It's also a decent 1-of in the sideboard against the illusive mill matchup
Fun fact I learned recently: Progenitus was legal in Standard at the same time as Elvish Piper briefly, so they were cheating that bad boy into the battlefield in Standard.
It could also make a Dramatic Entrance
Yep, I was doing this. It wasn't competitive but yeah. Fun.
Progenitus cheated in with Dragon Arch LOLOLOLOL
Just use green sun’s zenith! /s
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I don't play anymore but seeing elvish spirit guide there made my day. I was playing it back in the days (4th edition) to cast Ernan Djinn turn 1 or sengir vampire turn 2 and I felt like a boss 😂
I love using Progenitus. I summon it with Quick Silver Amulet, Maelstrom Archangel, or Defense of Heart.
I use timeless lotus and fist of suns
I have hardcast many a street wraith in games that were grinding to a halt. Turns out that sometimes swampwalk is relevant
The best thing about Leyline of the Void is its interaction with Living End. All their cards that died? Gone. Their grave is empty. All their cards trying to enter the grave? Also gone. You get your stuff, they get ZILCH.
Best part of leyline is they can't counter it and it hoses decks that use the graveyard. Living end decks are usually far better equipped to use living end than the opponent unless it's a mirror match. Like your reanimator opponent in legacy won't be able to force of will leyline when it starts in play if they use countermagic. Same reason leyline of sanctity if so good against targeted discard, they have no chance to strip it if it starts in play.
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I would add Worldgorger Dragon as an honorable mention. Too expensive to cast and horribly bad if you cast him normally, but use a reanimate aura and it's an easy two card infinite combo.
Its in the intro....
My friend recently "gifted" me a worldgorger with his beamtown bullies in a commander game. I was playing Captain N'gathrod theft. It absolutely ruined me.
I personally play an explorer legal Omniscience combo deck, where I reanimate it with Repair and Recharge (new card from BRO, 3WW that returns an artifact, enchantment or planeswalker from the graveyard to the battlefield, as well as creating a powerstone that's useless for the combo). Previously used Invoke Justice for it, which could return any permanent but had a much more color intense cost (1WWWW). Fairly strong; can go off on turn 5 in the Esper version I run, or even turn 4 if you run the Jeskai version.
I think Emrakul used to be hardcast in Tron decks back in the day, although I think its fallen out of favor for cheaper options in more modern times (15 is still a high bar to hit). Colorless mana cards have so many options to turbo though.
Yeah, if you're actually generating the mana and spending it to cast big spells, I can't imagine running Emrakul over Ugin or Karn.
@@Necroskull388 I mean, if you have the mana to cast Emrakul, I do think you just cast it. But by the time you get there the game should functionally be over already.
@@TheEmperorGulcasa If in Tron decks, 15 mana takes like, 6 turns to get the mana to cast, and that's if you get all your towers. It's too slow for formats where combo and aggro decks kill you on turn 4. You need things like Ulamog and Karn that interact with the board before then
@@pumkinswift8263 Hence why I said 15 was still a lot. I do remember seeing it in early tron lists though.
There's a combo that lets you hardcast Emrakul as early as turn 3 or 4, although I imagine some of the pieces are banned. Basically Channel the Suns + Fist of the Suns means you only need 4 mana to hardcast him.
Golgari Grave Troll seems more impactful that at least the first few picks on this list.
I once had a commander game where an opponent managed to get a Griselbrand on the board. We had lost all hope at winning the game since he had a lot of ways to keep it on the battlefield, but I drew an Emrakul, the promised end. Turns out paying 7 life to draw 7 cards an unconditional amount of times is a pretty strong ability after all.
I used to run an Eldrazi deck and loved doing this and choosing to take the turn of the player with Necropotence out ;)
My favorite deck back when I played mtg arena actually played omniscience for its full cost. It was called overflowing omniscience and it used overflowing insight to force your opponent to draw cards, and gaea’s blessing and nexus of fate to let you do so infinitely. Was super fun until they banned nexus, was when I stopped playing
I think Golgari Grave Troll really deserves to be 1st on this list. Every card on here I've seen hardcast or hardcast it myself at some point. While it may not be the optimal strategy, it is a thing that happens. By contrast, I'm not sure dredge players even remember that they can tap mana to cast spells anymore. Golgari Grave Troll is essentially the poster child for the deck that's been a format spanning boogieman. It, more than any other other card I can think of, is emblematic of players showing up to play some unfair magic.
I mean, I've seen a few Lands decks that run Emrakul just so when they ramp to 16+ mana, they can turn their Karakas into take infinite turns by casting Emrakul, then bouncing it. And every reanimator deck has had games where neither them or their opponent was able to successfully go off early, and the game has just gone on long enough they don't need to cheat out their wincons anymore. Narcomoeba and the Spirit Guides are very reasonable to cast creatures if it needs to happen. Street Wraith is pretty close to troll in that its a very underwhelming, expensive creature to cast, with a good effect instead of casting it, but the wraith also is just potentially useful outside of only the most degenerate of decks, and a bad plan b is a lot better than no plan b.
I guess the criteria was "cards you want in play but not by casting them", not just "cards you don't cast"
Edit: Nevermind. I got to Street Wraith
I've definitely seen street wraith being cast in a DS mirror, which is brutal. It's like a 2 turn clock, unblockable
An 11/11 grave troll is nothing to sneeze at.
I seem to remember a match where Reid Duke was playing Legacy Elves and by some miracle actually hard casted Progenitus and won the game. That's the sort of thing that would only ever happen to Reid.
Omniscience was also part of Lotus Field combo decks in Pioneer, which could make the mana to hardcast it
Think it's fallen out of favor there for other cards though, but it was in the precon and I like it too much to swap it out
But you are casting omniscience in Lotus field, though
@@leftysheppey yes, that was the point of my comment since it is a counterexample to how the video claims decks that run it cheat it out and don't cast it
Some legacy decks have definitely hardcast omniscience, sure it doesn't happen regularly, but it does happen when you don't have show and tell for it.
@@dstreetz91 i hardly know about pioneer and modern stuff so legacy and co are mysteries to me, good to know though
Which decks make that amount of mana in case I wanna look them up?
@@TheLuckySpades omnishow. They play 4 ancient Tomb, which taps for 2 mana, and various other ways of getting fast mana. But they also play lots of cantrips and counterspells, so mirrors can take a while
you guys are dorks...obsessed with a game.
So am I, thank you.
Zada, Hedron Grinder. On his own, rather weak. With a bunch of creatures out - including tokens - and targeted by Lifecrafter's Gift? OP.
I have always found it funny when the correct line is just hard casting a thing you normally don't cast
Had a turn 3 Kaldra using Stoneforge recently. It was great.
The OTHER reason for Omnitell is that getting the cast trigger on Emrakul is actually kind of important. and if they Karakas it you just cast it *again*
The other reason karakas gets around emmy's protection is that it's colorless. All lands are colorless (except dryad arbor)
Doesn't matter if Karakas was colored or not, it's a land, not a spell, so Emmy doesn't have protection from it either way.
The little mispronounced names make this so much better. It shows that you didn’t come to this from years of playing this game like most mtg content creators. Craterhoof being called Caterhoof just amused me.
That's one beast whose cooking I would NEVER insult to its face.
I was worried this video would just be all Elvish Piper stuff, I'm glad some not so big stuff made the list.
Had a fun interaction with Archon once where it was meant to do what it said it does up until the point it didn't. After all, you have to target a player first and I had hexproof. It made for a fun 10 second pause where he had to mull over what to do next.
I don't know why I can't remember it right now, but the Kaldra equipment would work wonders with the one cost white enchantment that allows you to attach an equipment to a creature you control as soon as it enters the battlefield.
I think lands deserve at least a comment shout-out here. They get played but not cast, if memory serves. (Sorry for being cheeky. I enjoyed the video.)
Sad that Blightsteel Colossus got cut from the list, but I understand why. It's not as good as Archon of Cruelty.
what format? blightsteel is a lot better then archon in EDH. Both are trash in vintage. Blightsteel was better in standard ( Ok, tbf, archon was printed directly into modern )
@@ich3730 the only times Blightsteel ever saw play in constructed were a single pro tour player (who did poorly) who played it as a 1 of in a Standard Tezzeret Agent of Bolas deck, and some crazy people who briefly experimented with Blightsteel in Modern alongside Nahiri the Harbinger.
@@ich3730 Archon of Cruelty is better in modern.
You say blightsteel is better in commander, which by comparison it definitely is, but a lot of commander decks are getting faster and faster combo wins that are outpacing blightsteel.
The scriptwriter for this video made a previous version of this list a few months ago on his own channel that put blightsteel towards the bottom because it's primary home was to be cheated out really early in vintage with Tinker, but other reanimation options in the list were filling that niche because they could be brought back faster and/or had more protection in those old formats where 0 mana interaction is everywhere.
Back in the day it was for sure. Still good in EDH though!
@@kylerdecoopman1106 agreed. Ever see Game Knights? They panic whenever they see a Blightsteel Colossus and have it marked as an instant removal target. They're always surprised if someone doesn't immediately die to a Blightsteel.
I had a friend that played Progenitus as his commander, but it was just to enable him playing his Rainbow God deck. Good times
i'm assuming rainbow god deck is a world tree deck. My favorite combo with world tree is Maskwood Nexus + dragons. dragons by themselves are fun (namely things like Terror of the Peak and Demanding Dragon. ) but once you can pull off the 11 CMC worldtree (10 cmc + the tree itself so 11) you just go from No Board to BOOM! dragons. Granted this is more a MTGA historic strat than a traditional MtG Modern / Edh strat.
I found quite a bit of success from the New Baldur's Gate cards in arena (specifically the dragon orbs)
The dragon orbs being mana rocks that give a benefit to any dragon you cast using their mana. (Red - haste, Blue - Scry 2, Green - Hexproof until next turn and +1/+1 counter)
The green one forces your opponent to have non targeted removal for any of the dragons with combo effects (Miirym, Terror of the Peaks...etc)
of course i also like the theme of I ramp, and strive to obtain all the dragon orbs and then i make a wish upon them to summon a Flight of Dragons (ya know like Goku gathering the dragonballs and making a wish on Dragonball Z)
Back when Future Sight was new, Street Wraith was used in Vintage "Mana-less Dredge" as additional free draw spell. Sure, you don't discard, but another free way to trigger dredge made the deck far more explosive. Also, Ichorid requires you to exile a black creature from the graveyard, wihch made Street Wraith perfect fodder for that over your Stinkweed Imps, which you neded to keep dredging.
With progenitus, because he's shuffled from the graveyard no matter what, he's often put as a one of vs mill decks if they're prevalent in the meta.
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Hirumared going from WoW to MTG is giving me whiplash because I did the same thing
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Modern is non-rotating, but it doesn’t count as Eternal, does it? I thought Eternal meant you could play cards back to Alpha
In Commander, Elvish and Simian Spirit Guides are seen frequently in Ad Nauseam decks due to the fact that Ad Nauseam needs a lot of mana to resolve and burning yourself for 3 per Spirit Guide is worth to get more mana to resolve something big like Dockside Extortionist or Underworld Breach to then win the game.
in my Omnath, Locus of All commander deck I hardcast progenitus every now and then, since Omnath has some insanely good mana ramp
16:15 chief among them being utterly powerless against 15 flying squirrels.
Leyline of the Void: Back when this was printed (2006), NOBODY took it seriously. Dredge was alright, but it took Future Sight to "break" Dredge. Leyline of the Void was about $2 or less and the foil was $5 or less. I got multiple playsets, including a foil play set for my Vintage deck and wsa the first person that I know of to win an event with MAINDECK Leyline of the Void (2007 Vintage tournament) - about 6+ month before GobLines was created (Vintage Goblins with black for Leyline of the Void & Dark Confidant). I was also the one who showed the combo with Helm of Obedience in that year of 2007. Helm of Obedience was another $1 junk rare until i won with it in my Vintage deck. With Leyline of the Void, you repeat the process until thier library has been exiled. Even if they have an Eldrazi, they stil lhaveto exile it becasue the rules state that whenever a loop is created and here is an option to end the loop, thn the active player must make that choice. They cannot choose to loop the Eldrazi replacement effect forever into a draw - they have to eventually choose to let the leyline of the void replacement effect happen instead.
For Progenitus I use Ramos Dragon Engine to pull him out much quicker. With the help of Dark Rituals I can pull Ramos out on turn 2 and his ability is to put a +1/+1 on him for each color of each spell of any kind you cast. If you remove 5 you can get 2 of each color added to your mana pool.
You cast progenitus and get your 5 +1/+1 counters back for your troubles.
I somewhat wasn't blown away before with Griselbrand, I knew it was good but I thought that paying 7 life if having low mana would be bad since you would have more card in hand, end turn then discard cards to meet the 7 limit hand on top of losing life, that is until I just realize it when I actually played the card that it has lifelink and has 7 power, so you go neutral with his ability if it gets to attack or you play Golgari like me and have or draw a fight spell, giving you back 7 life and destroying an opponents threat in the process or Rakdos giving it haste, I mention this because I myself didn't saw good it was and no one mentions it, at least not that I've seen so far
Griselbrand, with his "Pay 7 Life: Draw 7 cards" ability, is nearly on the same level as Yawgmoth's Bargain... And it's even better if comboed with Children of Korlis.
Damn, no love for Vintage at all... you could have briefly mentioned Oath of Druids which goes heavy on Griselbrand/Archon and has historically cheated many Emrakuls And Progeniti into play also
I mean i have literally never met a single player who plays vintage. Everyone I know either plays commander, Standard, or pauper
Blightsteel Collossus. It's something mostly cast by Tinker, or more recently, with Magda, in some Legacy decks I've encountered.
Good lord I’m so happy you decided to do MTG as well
Some honorable mentions:
Bridge From Below
Golgari Grave-Troll
Everdream
Vengevine
Arclight Phoenix
Omniscience has had a lot of interesting other places where it’s popped up. In Historic and Modern, it was used in Tibalt’s Trickery decks before TT was banned which cheated it in the first few turns. Emrakul also was another massive payoff in the decks as well.
The other place I know of Omniscience being played was in Standard. With Emergent Ultimatum that let you pick 3 mono-colored spells from your deck, and your opponent chooses 2 of them that you would cast for free. The Ultimatum deck was a toolbox of big and scary stuff that answered most things and had instant threats in its Emergent combos. Omniscience was scary by itself, but allowing an opponent to resolve other things like Vorinclex + Kaldheim Tibalt to instantly ult your opponent, Kiora Bests the Sea God, extra turns like Alrund’s Epiphany, or massive draw spells like Sea Gate Restoration. All of the deck was scary, and it made your opponent choose how they wanted to die. And with efficient board control and fast mana, it was hard to keep up with its explosive nature unless you were all-in aggro.
It is broken in commander
Bant Omniscience was a pretty hilarious and threatening Standard deck.
Stone forge mystic can easily get any equipment out on turn one or two if you have any way to boost your mana and lighting grieves or swiftfoot boots in play or just some other way to give it haste. There are many ways to give a creature haste for one or two mana and all you need is to have one available.
Creatures with "reach" can block flying creatures as well
slight clarification, flying creatures can be blocked by other creatutres with flying _or reach_
I learned very quickly to be careful around green creatures
Protean Hulk is always super fun to cheat out because you can just taunt your opponent with it. Let it punch you ? Or kill it and risk comboing off and killing you immediately
So emrakul still gets cast sometimes for that extra turn. If it wasn't banned in commander jt would be cast a lot more often
you should have talked about the helm of obedience combo alongside leyline, monoblack helm is a great legacy deck
My Progchamp deck casts Progenitus pretty often.
Granted it's for WUBRG off of Jodah or Fist, but...
:P
flying can be blocked by creatures with flying and reach
I know this was a few weeks ago but Logs makes sure on flying to mention it can only be blocked by flying and reach
I built a deck built around Omen Machine... which lets you cheat out, say, Emrakul while also ACTUALLY CASTING IT. Meaning it gives me the extra turn.
Chancellor of the annex, free mana tithe to protect your combo from getting force of willed if you start first.
this reminds me of my emracule deck that sometimes let me play him by turn 4... thing is this was a dumb af deck where i sacced emracule every turn, drew him and every card in my library, played him and every other card, rinse and repeat. only worked 2 out of 10 games but its by far the funnest way to win a game if you ask me XD oh yeah i just have unlimited turns now
Sneak & Breach is my main Legacy deck. (You can see the list on MTGNexus, if you're curious.) ~7 times out of 10, yeah, I'd prefer Griselbrand as my cheaty target over my other threats (Emrakul, Worldspine Wurm, Ilharg, Wurmcoil Engine), so, I'm glad to see him in the #1 spot in this list. If it had been anyone else, I'd have rioted. :P I do think Worldspine Wurm deserves a spot, here, as it can be cheated out with Natural Order, Sneak Attack, AND Show & Tell, but I digress. I think Narcomoeba probably doesn't deserve a top 10 slot compared to it, but I may be biased.
Anyway, I do have one criticism of the video: Please work on your card name pronunciation. I twitched every time you said "NECROmoeba" instead of "NARCOmoeba". This is not the only card with which this happened.
Anyway, looking forward to seeing more content from you, going forward.
Narcomoeba - 1/1 flying illusion creature for 1 and a blue when you said that I was like oh yeah that creature has a manacost lmao
Three that should have been on the list are Bloodghast, Prized Amalgam, and Vengvine.
I disagree, as you are far more likely to cast them than you are to cast narcromoeba, which is in decks solely because of it being an enabler for those cards. I would also put creeping chill with those creatures. because, even though its most useful when milled, it can still do something when in hand. unlike narcromoeba.
U should've mentioned the brief stint where Progenitus was discarded for the Kamigawa free spell (I forget it's name) cuz that combo was so insane for Infect n is still possible in Legacy
Blazing shoal.
There's a deck on MTGtop8 at the moment which has this combo in legacy. It's running 4 progenitus and 1 reaper King with 3 blazing shoal. They also pitch to force of will, which is quite nice
Can't wait for the FFXIV channel
Was 100% expecting the grave troll to end up on the list tbh
hey, dont talk down progenitus, my 5mana legend deck averages to cast it as my commander by turn 5, and fastest on turn 2 if you mana combo off. A10/10 commander that require a wrath board wipe evry time i play it is worth it, since my commander deck is planeswalkers/mana ramp and the rest is controll, so an empty board is just perfect, it's not like i struggle to cast it after 50 casts eaither with commander tax xD (yes helix pinacle is in the deck as a joke, i dont think i have ever cast it, even when i hadd 1k+ mana, it would just not be fun, I would rather have a big scary threat that you can use as a nuclear deterant xD
Number one card you're never casting is Bridge From Bellow. You're never EVER casting that
Unless you need three devotion
Leyline of the void does NOT stop creatures from dying, it stops them from hitting graveyards, death ability’s still trigger
would be fun to see you do a video on different deck types.
I genuinely didn't know the duel logs guy also did mtg content. I was looking at comments like "YALL KNEW AND DIDNT TELL ME!?" Like why was everyone commenting like this is normal? Oh lol
"Do you think there's any other powerful cards that you don't have to cast?"
I'm going to put forth the Ultimatum spells from the Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths set. These were 8-cost Sorceries that required non-converted mana of 3 different colors to be cast - for example, WWBBBGG. As far as their effects go:
- Ruinous Ultimatum (RWB): Destroy all nonland permanents your opponents control.
- Genesis Ultimatum (GUR): Look at the top 5 cards of your deck, put any number of permanents from among them onto the battlefield, and the rest into your hand. Then Exile Genesis Ultimatum.
- Eerie Ultimatum (WBG): Return any number of permanents with different names from the GY to the battlefield.
- Inspired Ultimatum (URW): Gain 5 life, deal 5 damage to any target, and draw 5 cards.
- Emergent Ultimatum (BGU): Search out 3 monocolored spells from your deck. Your opponent chooses one to shuffle back into your deck, and then you play the other two for free. Exile Emergent Ultimatum.
Out of these options, I feel that only Inspired would struggle to close out a game. Eerie and Genesis can easily cheat out large numbers of big creatures; Ruinous can, well, ruin your opponent's ability to keep going; and Emergent is basically asking your opponent to pick the tools you will use to destroy them, since the big boy spells like Omniscience and Griselbrand are, you guessed it, monocolored.
All of these were only used in standard. They haven't seen any play outside of those except perhaps in commander. And of course in standard there was no way to play these ultimatums without casting them.
Fun fact: Despite the amazing synergy Street Wraith had with Death Shadow decks, the card was dropped for a period of time to allow you to play Lurrus as your companion, as both Lurrus and the companion mechanic were so incredibly strong for the deck, it was worth dropping what was basically a free draw to have the Cat. Street Wraith was obviously reintroduced once Lurrus got the banhammer.
Yeah companion when it was first introduced kind of just broke all the formats. Turns out free cards with upside are way too good.
@@dstreetz91 some are still prevalent despite the nerf to the mechanic just cause the fact you have a card you can emergency Tutor when your land flooding or is just good with your deck synergy is still strong.
Emrakul I've actually cast semi regularly in modern tron. His shuffle ability has actually saved my ass vs mill decks too, though that's a fairly rare occurence.
Emrakul is a woman and takes pride in that!
Glimpse of Nature was a card with so many possibilities
I'm a relative novice in MtG, but geez, 3-4 turns to end a game seems ridiculous. I kinda like when games are a bit more drawn out instead of just bam-bam-done.
Jokes on you, I play emrakul the aeons torn all the time in my tron deck. It's so fun watching people just die inside when I cast is after a really long and grindy game.
One thing i don't understand: why do you say Emrakul has no instant value? When it enters you gain an extra Turn. Thats some good value, even more since in the extra turn Emrakul can attack. All befor your opponent can realy react. How is that not instant Value?
16:43 Creatures with protection can't be targeted with abilities of what they're protected from. The reason Karakas works on Emrakul isn't because it's an ability, but because lands are inherently colorless.
It's both.
@@josephwodarczyk977 That's not true. Creatures with protection CANT be targeted with abilities of the given source. For example, emrakul CANT be targeted by a colored-creature's abilities.
@@lifeiswonderful22 emrakul does not have protection from creatures. Once a creature spell resolves, it's a permanent. Not a spell. Emrakul has protection from spells. This confusion is why the innistrad version has protection from instants.
@@josephwodarczyk977Emrakul, The aeons torn, has protection from anything colored. That means a colored creature CANT target it with an ability.
@@lifeiswonderful22 read the card again.
This spell can't be countered.
When you cast this spell, take an extra turn after this one.
Flying, protection from spells that are one or more colors, annihilator 6
When Emrakul, the Aeons Torn is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their graveyard into their library.
Can we appreciate that this list literally got upended by Phyrexia All Will Be One, due to the super gross Atraxa.
I remember the days when you could run street wraith, gitaxian probe, and manamorphose in the same list, effectively running a 48-card list. Shit was wild
Number 1 should have been Island.
The card literally transcends formats, and has crucially impacted every meta.
(On second thought, the whole list should have been filled with lands.)
Ty
What’s a way I can protect my dragons deck from a cheap 2-3 mana anti dragon/anti flying board wipe
Ps edit: if you can cheat the effects fo Spawnsire of Ulamog you can actually get out all three Titan Eldrazi in both their forms and a number of other cards to boost them up including maybe Eldrazi Conscription on Emrakul making it a 25/25 giving it trample on top of its flying and protections and adding another 2 to its annihilator
For Progenitus: Thran Temporal Gateway.
For Flying it can be blocked by creatures with Flying or Reach not just creatures who Fly
You should do top 10 token generators
fyi destroy effects dont work on creatures with protection like Progenitus referring to 3:59 of the video but exile all works oh
TL:DR: Protection does not prevent destroy. Protection prevents: Damage, Enchant/equip, Blocked, and targeted. (D.E.B.T)
Non-target destroy like Wrath of God do effect creatures with protection.
Protection works against DEBT: Damage, Enchanted, Blocked, and Targeted.
Destroy still works as long as it doesn't target.
So for the case of Progenitius (PROG)
PROG can't be:
Damaged by anything
Equipped by anything / Enchanted by Anything
Blocked by anything
Targeted by anything
However, it can still be killed by:
Board Wipes
and
Sacrifices
Which means: wrath of god, Damnation, Blood on the sands, cleansing nova, Planar Cleansing, Doomskar....etc all work on it.
Its rule: 702.16b - 702.16F
702.16b A permanent or player with protection can’t be targeted by spells with the stated quality and can’t be targeted by abilities from a source with the stated quality.
702.16c A permanent or player with protection can’t be enchanted by Auras that have the stated quality. Such Auras attached to the permanent or player with protection will be put into their owners’ graveyards as a state-based action. (See rule 704, “State-Based Actions.”)
702.16d A permanent with protection can’t be equipped by Equipment that have the stated quality or fortified by Fortifications that have the stated quality. Such Equipment or Fortifications become unattached from that permanent as a state-based action, but remain on the battlefield. (See rule 704, “State-Based Actions.”)
702.16e Any damage that would be dealt by sources that have the stated quality to a permanent or player with protection is prevented.
702.16f Attacking creatures with protection can’t be blocked by creatures that have the stated quality.
Protection does not prevent destroy.
Destroy does not target unless otherwise stated (Murder for instance is 1BB: Destroy target creature>Prevented due to it targeting, Damnation> 2BB destroy ALL creatures>not prevented. doesn't target
Destroy does not damage. So Protection does not affect it
Destroy does not block So protection does not affect it
Destroy does not Enchant/Equip so protection does not affect it.
i have a plan for an cedh deck, where i get unlimited mana really fast (unlimited copies of black lotus...) want to include some of those... and cast them... just to cast them...
Except for the time I drafted Progenitus and dropped it games 2 and 3 on the same dude.
He was also salty that I dared to cast it, but for different reasons
dishonorable mention to Evermind, the only card with no mana cost with no actual way to cast it outside of stuff like cascade. the only way to use it is by splicing it onto arcane spells which arent a particulary synergystic group of cards, most arcane cards see play because theyre good and not because they have the arcane subtype
I don't even play MTG and yet somehow i ended up here. Huh.
Oh cool random mtg to-OH WAIT ITS DUEL LOGS
Correction he did not say dredge is a may. So you can choose to dredge or draw.
No love for Iona, Shield of Emeria? Turn one game over with entomb/exhume/dark ritual for most decks
What about Dusk Mangler? Seems like an even better version