The latest crisis between India and Pakistan over Kashmir comes as India’s Hindu nationalist government has revoked Article 370 of India’s Constitution, which had for decades afforded the Muslim-majority state of Jammu and Kashmir - India’s side of Kashmir - substantial autonomy over its own affairs. Read more about the development on Vox: bit.ly/2YQCdtz
@@mangeshghaisas606 of course their exodus was barbaric and unwanted, it was a huge lass for kashmir, but brutal no way, if you have seen the atrocities of Japanese during world War, that is something I would call brutal
@@saadrizvi6630 if I ask u to get lost from ur home and leave ur women and children behind would u be happy and excited about it or would u call it halala and say that allah asks for it? Stop acting like a fool God is watching u man and he will not have any mercy if u dont have any for fellow humans.
I really love all of Vox videos but they have missed out on some important points here. 1. No mention of Kashmiri Pandits/Hindus. 2. No opinions of people from other areas of Jammu and Ladakh which were also part of the "Hindu Monarch's" territory. 3. No opinions of people from Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Chinese part of Kashmir (Aksai Chin). 4. No mention of Racism in Kashmir against Indians and its role in secessionist movement. This would only have been a well rounded piece if all these things were also included. This video only seems a little lazy. I hope I provided some constructive criticism and have been of some help.
Aksai Chin.. (OCCUPIED BY CHINA) Has almost no population.. Its a barren piece of rock and mountains. People in Jammu are not Facing suppression. Kashmiri Pandits were not Rehabilitated properly by the Indian Govt and are still being used as a political tool by the Political Parties. Everywhere in Jammu and Kaashmir except Parts of Kashmir Valley.. There is full freedom. Parts of Kashmir Valley are run as per the Draconian AFSPA and SOG is allowed to conduct ops as per their will. Thia has been counter productive. As many innocents have been degraded or have disappeared. So all the problem lies with that part of Kashmir only. And even most parts of Ladakh didnt want article 370 removed, it was done forcefully. Our pro India Leaders were arrested and put under detention. For the record. I am pro India..and I am an Indian. But there is a way of doing things.. And our Govt has failed to realise it. Also Pakistan is not an effective democracy either..
@@sujiths4949 I have 🤦♂️. And I’ve read of everything Britain and America’s empires have done… doesn’t excuse modern day peoples own personal choices does it
Something you missed was the Kashmiri Hindu Genocide. After ‘87, the group of radicals started targeting Kashmiri Hindus. There were a lot of Hindus that lived in Kashmir. They had to run for their lives. A lot of them settled in Jammu. The stories/accounts of these events are horrific. Hence, this worsened the situation for rest of the Muslims. The hope for Peace was lost as Indian state retaliated similarly with giving more powers to military in that area. Also the Indian Kashmiri Politicians played popularism and promoted Radical Ideology while their family lived on Indian Govt’s money and their children settled in abroad.
@@pramit8903 only a minority or community. not as big as the transmigrants from India who changed the demography in Kashmir since the Indian Occupation of Kashmir
Actually, no. The Brits tried their best to leave the subcontinent with as little conflict as possible. The main reason is the hate between hindus and muslims.
@@harshkulshrestha9440 and the toxic hate between hindu and Muslims is only bc of british's divide and rule policies. plus British did not do its best to leave with little conflict as possible. they just randomly drew lines on a map and called it india and pakistan. the division of india wasn't in any religious or politically inclined-regions basis. i think u need to research more on indian history
@@khosrowanushirwan7591 The exodus of pandits from which Kashmir are you talking about? Because it's already in three parts. One to Pakistan and one to China.
Thanks for the one-off examples.. Are you somehow presenting them as an argument saying that not giving the youth education is fine? That they go to war because they intrinsically like it? The phrase is about the young being forced to be military resources instead of intelectual power - to serve a war that they didn’t choose to be in. Stop with your out of context and nonsense examples.
@@seidenada526 so you think that those people speaking almost perfect english in this video are illiterate? You think Kashmiris don't get education? Get your facts right .
@@KyojuroRengoku98why ? Why we can't care about them is the life of the kashmiri pandits and Kashmiri sufi has no velue , who talking about genocide of kashmiri pandits and Kashmiri sufi Muslim , by wahabis and Tablighi jamati terrorist
The video is missing the geopolitical value: Water. The area is where the rivers Jhelum and Chenab (that feed the Indus) start. Whoever controls the area, controls the flow of water. edit: one of my best comments
So that makes sense in that they keep suppressing the Kashmiri vote. Either nation doesn't want Kashmir to be independent. I think the voices of the citizens say it best, they know that the fight is not about them, but the land.
@meow it matters more because if Pakistan occupies Kashmir they will have a strategic advantage in attacking India. Right now the mountains block them. Indians don't trust the Pakistanis enough to allow them to attack us so easily if they chose to
Geopolitical or not. The factor that people need to die over it when theyre not involved is bullshit. But at the sametime prevent china from any gains. They should be working together against china since china is trying to push as much as possible on geopolitical positions. That's why they wanna do the new china belt way to help their millitary move faster through other countries.
@@shiftenter10 yes that bangladesh was also a east paKistan once upon a time. No doubt H!ndus are in trouble pakistan and bangladesh but you need to accept that britain also did divide and rule policy before partition
@Fail Zero ya like u ppl where never responsible for such conflicts. come too my country india look at the bound between our muslim and hindu brothers your divide and concor policy has lead to such problems
The Interesting thing is that Kashmir is just 20% of India's Jammu and Kashmir. People tend to ignore Jammu and Ladakh. This ignorance makes this conflict more complex.
The video only touches on obvious points and misses on 2 major points, I think. 1) The water problem. The region is the birthplace of all the major rivers flowing across the two nations. Whoever controls Kashmir, controls the water supply. The water is especially important for Pakistan, which accounts for a major amount of its irrigation supply. 2) The Kashmiri Pandits. The insurgency of 90s made a large number of hindus leave Kashmir. The refugees are still not able to settle in Kashmir since then.
It's not about water first of all . It's about China's aggression against India since forever and Pakistan is used as a tool and religion a way to recruit soldiers . Earlier it was supported by USA and pushed by CIA but back then Russia supported India so CIA backed off and India was also not very strong . Today India has a strong market and Modi is tough when it comes to national dealings so USA supported India first time as India kept saying no to preesure from USA regarding trade . Plus India also always had good relations in the middle East with all countries and regimes so here Pakistan got no support from OIC . Even in UN India got support . Only countries to oppose it were Pakistan and China .
@@abcdwxyz5391 Modi is not tough , he controls media who in turn control his public image. The US or any other state never partook in Kashimr conflict , you seem to be incited by some conspiracy theory . Although you are correct about China being happy in all this.
@@Gyubear304 Yeah, the massacres in Rajouri by the princely state are horrible. Just like the massacres of shias in Muzaffarbad and Buddhists in Baltistan. All people groups in J&K have suffered tremendously
Always blame the British. Pakistan and India didn't hold a vote on Kashmir how can the British be blamed for that? I don't support colonisation or British mistakes in India.
As a Kashmiri, I feel for the lad that comes in the end and says he can't achieve his dreams because of this geo politics. Also, this video is incomplete without the mention of the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits.
Well made video. But two things Vox missed, which would have helped the video : 1) Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. 2) Reaction of people from the Pakistani Occupied Kashmir
I am from jammu and Kashmir and i know plenty of people who support Pakistan and India. If we ask them why you want to join with Pakistan the only answer I get is that we are muslim and those who support Indian the only valid answer from their side is that we are born in India thats why we are Indian... Poeple of kashmir want to join Pakistan because they see themselves as Muslims not Indians that's the real reason ...i know 16-17 years old boy throwing stones... Do you think 17 year old boy can differentiate between right and wrong... Poeple manipulate them in name of religion..
Now everyone wants to leave Pakistan, no food, hyperinflation, military controls all the jobs, bombings of Sunni and military does not pay taxes on land and other stuff.
If it was in Indian's power to kick out the British there wouldn't have been a Pakistan. So British decided themselves to leave because they were bankrupt by the war.
@@rajendrakumarsrivastavaa9899 nah they were still adamant to rule. They ran after navy mutiny and India's growing demand for freedom and self rule. They got the idea it will be harder for them to manage this nation now. Our freedom fighters done a lot.
@@manvendrasinghchauhan1904 don't you know what happened with England after ww2 , the whole world knows about Churchill scandal bruhh & other reason was indian national army was under netaji bose.....that caused the uproar & nothing much was left to loot, give five minute of your time & think about what they could have looted, cause there was nothing much left & then they left last scar of dividing india.
@@rajendrakumarsrivastavaa9899 revenue from taxes, still india was market to them for their goods, cheap labour and raw materials. I know that was war time still they would have profited. Their were countries that were liberated till 1970 and more.
@@jatinchauhan1880 thats not true we gave you back your nations from overwhelming public pressure take some responisibilty for your own hatred and short-comings
@@davidwilliams658 you gave us our nation but not in one piece you broke it to many pieces divide and rule was always your methodology and because of that the current situation is like this in kashmir
Of course they wouldn't, Vox is a liberal new outlet and liberals almost always favor Pakistan since it is a 'Muslim country' and liberals are best friends with Muslims. They only show the side of the Muslim majority Kashmiris and their struggles. They don't care about the Hindu side of it since the Hindu country of India is the so-called 'oppressor'.
As a kashmiri pandit watching this was heart breaking. I used to think Vox will be different as they are more of an independent journalism tribe but even they only presented one side of the story.
@@salaarfaiz3877 Brother it was not about majority or minority it was about representation. The army was increased after 1990 it wasn't this much before that , you can look it up and you will see with the terrorism increasing they had no other way to control other than deploying the army for controling the situation. If the terrorism had stopped after that even the army would decrease eventually. India has borders at multiple states but this number of Army personnel are deployed just in Kashmir not anywhere else because terrorist acitivities at such a large scale isn't anywhere else in the country.
Kashmir is not the whole area of J&K, it include Jammu province, Kashmir province and Ladakh region. Now it is divided into two union territories UT of J&K and UT of Ladakh.
@@ojhamridul2552 and do you know why pak invaded???? There was a monarch backed masaccre happened in jammu where 100000 kashmiris where killed that's why pak invaded or else that guy would've wiped entire Kashmir muslim population
@@pingpong1465 Best wishes for your history classes. Oh sorry it seems political classes because what you typed has no relevance to reality. Its your choice to dig some books to learn something or be a part of blunt propoganda. Hope your messiah would approve whatever you passing here.
@@Luke_05 not only attacks they are also responsible for terrorism in India ….2008 terror attack and many more….actually Pakistan attacked( actually a genocide) India the first day they became independent… the direct action day or the Calcutta killings when Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan and they even wanted capture Kolkata
@@Alamgir-ri6px 290 deaths that you talk about were of the most prominent Kashmiri Hindus. The rest were not even fortunate enough to get cremated as their families fled in hurry. And the hundreds of thousands of people that had to flee and leave their properties and everything they had behind to start a new life? Were they not humans? In 1989, there were hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits in the valley. Now there are not even a few thousand.
@@muhammadsheharyardogar6256 u see, India is union. It's like EU. Kashmiri can be proud state of India like other Indian states. It's 21st century. How many more borders you wanna create to separate humans
@@smit17xp India is not like EU, EU is a federation and India is a Union of States, A Union involves a common government, but no state has more power than the other and a state can never seperate itself to form another country.
@@ripudamansinghverma yes it is not like America and EU but kashmir and the people of Kashmir will become happy and developed with India Pakistan have no power and money for development of Kashmir 🇮🇳🇮🇳Jai Hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳
@@-Isah7866 Oh ofcourse they do. :) Atleast noone from this side claims it to be Indian territory. Y'all can sit and claim Kashmir and every Indian state to be a part of Pakistan. Couldn't care less. Have a great day sir.
@@shreenathjraman3619 We dont want land. We want to free the kashmiris, it means by voting for independance or pakistan/india. They should choose not modi. Btw we dont want indian states thats china. Check the status of Ladakh :)
SERIOUSLY A WHOLE 10 MINUTE VIDEO ON KASHMIR WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING THE KASHMIRI PANDITS WHO PEACEFULLY RESIDED IN THE LAND OF SARASWATI (KNOWLEDGE)!!!
@Teejay the Razzaks created havoc in Hyderabad and the north Karnataka region. they were Members of the powerful Razakar militia, the armed wing of Hyderabad's most powerful Muslim political party, who were terrorising many Hindu villagers. There isn't much proof about the civilians, but if it did happen, it was obviously a reaction to the years of tormenting but still, it was unfortunate. ( it mostly didn't happen they must have happened as they might have attacked the army). Also, Hyderabad was always a part of Bharat so 'forcibly' is out of the question.
Kashmiri pandits situation was a failure of Government... which was hindus..... They couldn't.. or did not even try... to solve it from the independence ... wanna know why? election's mai kuch hindu muslims ka Mudda chahiye na... Lifetime ka mudda ban gaya ... ye Kashmiri Pandit
What should we have done? Killed them all? Fought wars against the natives rather than choose the path of peace? The problem started upon independence.
@@TheSm1thers The hasty decision of dividing a country caused this massive problem which was done by British. British are still planning about Brexit matters for years but divided a country within months by calling a man who had never stepped in this region ever !!
@@peace163 What problem? The 'country' was already divided, only kept together by effective administration. Dividing it into India and Pakistan was the best way to limit the problems of a withdrawal. Anything that happened after must be attributed to the locals, who could've just chosen to live in peace rather than committing genocide against one another.
One sided documentary No mention of Kashmiri Pandit Massacre No mention of balitstan freedom struggle No mention of jammu. It’s jammu and Kashmir and all in jammu loves India. I am from jammu I’d rather kilo myself before going to Pakistan. There is no dispute in jammu and kashmir. We love India. Jai hind. There’s only one dispute and that is our gilgit balitstan we want it back.
Baltistan freedom struggle. Wow. I'm from gilgit Baltistan and we want Pakistan. Half of People from gilgit Baltistan go to Islamabad or Karachi for jobs So, without sight you shouldn't criticise.
@@براہمداغ that's perhaps the best methodology, but to convince both the states, and the elites to sit down to have a dialogue, is the difficult part! I guess the youths will have to pressure their leaders to do the right thing, and put an end to this cycle of violence
@@munendersingh5631 i just want peace. India and Pak are huge upcoming economies with similar languages and people in many ways. I just want them to work together not against. I'd prefer UN intervention.
@Overweight Russian Grandma Before we get that far, lets get to the point where only one country in question agrees with referendum, whilst the other is violently opposed to it. They hold, "alright" elections. Besides any referendum in Kashmir would(at least should) be UN headed.
That’s vox bro. As edgy as it tries to make itself look, it’s still mainstream down the line, especially on foreign issues, they’re not gonna go against the American narrative
@@spreesppocket yea everything on the other part of same coin is just a drama... And only what you face is a sad reality! Do more research, don't just be radicalized.
@@senzon7676 there are allegations of torture etc. too, though I have no idea how true they are. The whole situation is worrying anyways, even though I understand the need to de-radicalize. I don't know much about it, and neither do officials afaik.
@@pengu_jm Not really possible. Vox woudn't even be allowed to step foot there. Even if they could, the CCP would've already prepared things. And the situation is very grim, considering that many Han Chinese have already been "contracted" to live with Uighur muslims in the region and many who protested there have ended up in "vocational training" schools.
With the Article 370 and 35A revoked, years old blunder was fixed. Now Kashmir is truly Indian. The people saying they are supressed were able to say so because they had freedom, the same thing they claimed to not have. @Vox why can not you mention anything about Hindu Pandit Genocide that was committed. Then we can ask who has been supressed and who should have uprised.
Brother you forgot about the forceful movement of Kashmiri pandits from the valley in the name of religion Hope that they return to their native land and let the peace ☮️ prevail Jai Hind 🇮🇳
@@LuCiFeR-et6fp well it could be a propeganda as claimed by Kashmiris that is why they didn't show it. Also neither did they talk about junagarh which would show who the actual aggressor was
@@LuCiFeR-et6fp you can never know the truth from Indian sources. Why aren't they going back? Kashmiris have said they have no problem with them? . Bcz India wants to stage a drama to justify its oppression
@@LuCiFeR-et6fpwhat do you mean population has increased? Do you think you are god that needs to be worshipped for letting Muslims have babies? Every communities population has increased on the basis of their educational background. Talk about the number of people killed in Kashmir conflict not how many people are born
Because you have to be relevant to the story. If you're explaining someone the independence of India in 1947, you won't tell him about the East Pakistan war. Use some sense. It's the writer's point of view.
Im watching this as I conclude my 30 yr long awaited visit to Kashmir. Its beautiful, its people are noble, the conflict pains me. I truly pray it heals all wounds and a resolution is reached.
Indians bycotted Netflix because made fun of modi. Same modi that butchered 2500 Muslims in Gujarat. His men ripped the fetus of muslim woman's womb with a sword. That's Indian for you
@G Joeye "pardoned by supreme court" even when he confessed ripping the fetus out of muslim woman's womb, his exact words were "I ripped the fetus out of her and raised it on my sword, it made me feel like Lord". Indian supreme court in one sentence
The video is missing the geopolitical value: Water. The area is where the rivers Jhelum and Chenab (that feed the Indus) start. Whoever controls the area, controls the flow of water.
Victor Roman Flores I was waiting for them to explain WHY the area is so important. Countries hold wars because they want the resources of the area and VOX never explained it. Thank you!
@@HemantKhachi True... in a way. Even thou conflicts have had a religion-based origin, the underlying reason is still resources. I have to add that there's a very succesful treaty, btw: The Indus Water Treaty, and it has been respected by both parties, but the Climate Change is going to put more pressure on this matter.
lots of missing facts 1) No Interviews from POK 2) No Interviews from Aksai Chin ( China Occupied Kashmir) 3) Discuss about how the water resources would be distributed 4) If India agrees for Kashmir's independence will Pak and China do as well ( i suppose no, we all know how china annexed Tibet and doesn't care about its independence and no country in the world has guts to question them about it) 5) Coming to Majority Muslims in Kashmir, India had around 200Million Muslims so should India be divided again based on that, as you mentioned India is a secular country so why care about more Muslims in Kashmir and not the rest of the country) 6) Do you all know that Kashmir still has a special status in terms of land ownership, no other Indian citizen is allowed to own property in Kashmir unless you are a Kashmiri
Yes! If India agrees to make Kashmir an independent nation...Pakistan will do the same...as Pakistan has always said that..it depends on Kashmir people...whether to be a part of India or to be of Pakistan....or to emerge as an independent country....But this all is possible through dialogue only....That isn't being carried out...we Pakistani people don't want war nor most of the Indians do...It's just that Indian people aren't aware of the chaos happening in Indian occuppied Kashmir....Have you seen the footages of kashmiri people...brutally affected by Indian soldiers just for the sake of politics...Atleast local Indians should visit Kashmir and ask their people about what they want...I hope that I haven't used any statement against India or Indians...And if I have then i am sorry...as I never meant that....#wewantpeace....Kashmir will emerge as an Independent Nation Soon!! In Sha Allah....#KashmirZindabad..
@@eusebioescelante1659 what's that statement?I didnt mention ur religion in any of my statement then how is it against Hindus?I have used the word Indians that surely means all the Hindus , Muslims , Christians , Sikhs...
What Vox failed to include: 1.kashmir was made an independent nation in 1947, but sudden attack of pakistanis tribals to newly built kashmir made them fall to india. 2. 1990, kashmiri muslim population dragged out the minority hindu population from their own home with killing a lot and now today they talk of human rights. 3 .Article 370, which gave those kashmiris a feeling of being diffrent from India even though being in it, was recently revoked.
Not as you thought, he did include . Watch from 3:10 . The (2) point you have mentioned is not whole picture but white washing of Hindu communal forces in India. In reality, both sides where involved in killing and destruction , looting and had to flee where they where not in position to withstand the savagery. Kashmir was ruled by a Hindu Monarch , that explains it.
It is not only Hindu pandits. Nearly 1 million Hindus, Shia, Parsi and Ahmadiyya muslims were driven out of their homes by extremist Sunni groups in 1990's.
It's funny how, even though the video seems to portray a neutral point of view on this conflict, only the muslim voices heard, only muslim pov is shown here. They have completely ignored the Kashmiri Pandit genocide that killed hundreds of hindus and the only alternative was to flee.
@@oneforallah 219 Hindus were killed including the killings by Ikhwans (Indian backed counter insurgency militia). That's it! You wanna know how many Kashmiri muslims have been killed? In Jummu massacre estimated 237k were killed and since 1990 over 90k have been killed. Let's not talk about tortures, r*pes, forced disappearances, mass graves. So now you tell me who is justifying who?
My mom is Kashmiri. When my grandmother was a child her house was burnt down my Muslims. During the 80’s Muslims would threaten to rape the Hindus over speakers (you know, those speakers that are used for Muslims to pray). My great- grandmother wanted to stay in Kashmir but unfortunately she passed away in the mid to late 80’s. The Muslims demanded that we gave up our family home, where our family had been living in for generations. My mom hasn’t been to Kashmir for over 30 years now. One of my moms friends was forced to live in a migration camp for a year. During that time her father died from the stress. It’s really sad to see what’s happened to Kashmir .
Actually the place you are talking about is three different places, 1. Jammu 2. Kashmir 3. Ladakh. They are making all these places kashmir in this documentary.
My grandmother was Kashmiri. I would say the exodus of Hindus from that region after the conflict started in the 40s, has led to a significant disparity in what Kashmir once was and what it is now. I'm not sure if it's as just as it is presented to be, to simply poll the people of current Kashmir about what they think without giving any voice to all the Kashmiris who felt forced out of the region- by many of those same people who remained or migrated in. I guess that's one of the problems with multi generational conflicts. My grandmother's family will never get justice.
My mom is Kashmiri. When my grandmother was a child her house was burnt down my Muslims. During the 80’s Muslims would threaten to rape the Hindus over speakers (you know, those speakers that are used for Muslims to pray). My great- grandmother wanted to stay in Kashmir but unfortunately she passed away in the mid to late 80’s. The Muslims demanded that we gave up our family home, where our family had been living in for generations. My mom hasn’t been to Kashmir for over 30 years now. One of my moms friends was forced to live in a migration camp for a year. During that time her father died from the stress. It’s really sad to see what’s happened to Kashmir .
I have gone to POK, Gilgit Baltistan, or AJK you can call. It's an autonomous region which means it isn't directly controlled by Pak-Gov. It's more like you can say, Independent... Most people there are the most pro-Pakistani nationalists I ever met... They would say "We wish we could join Pakistan [Means become a province]... AJK is more neutral in this matter as about 25% of ppl who I met wanted to remain autonomous while 75% wished for provincial status.
He missed the real point, the massacre of 237k Kashmiri by radical Hindus in Jummu with the assistance from India and exodus of over 500k to current Azad kashmir and over 100k being killed after 90s and more than 15k r*pe cases against Indian armed forces. The deaths of 209 Kashmiri pandits doesn't hold any weight when the numbers on other side is mammoth. If you go deep you will find how JKLF tried to stop kps and that exodus was planned by center. That's why India doesn't play kp card at UN. I think I'll keep this on copy paste since ever Indian here are like 'muh Kashmiri pandits'
@@buddum5883 After 1990 75k In total including 48k terrorists, 7k Troops and 18k Civilians have Died. Where are you getting such Figures?? In your Madrassachap? Dumb.
@@buddum5883 2 lakh ppl killed, wow dude, you are too good with numbers.. Don't get so carried away that it even sounds fake, out of 60 lakhs we have killed half of them.. Well anyone has masacred, it's bengalis in Bangladesh by Pakistan.
@@RitvikChandavarkar do you even know about Jummu massacre and what do we Kashmiris have to do with Bengal? That day won't be far when we will be blamed for holocaust too
The pseudo liberal 'Democratic' aunty, funding Vox along with Economist India, Bloomberg India, Ndtv, Wire, Print and numerous NGOs would be very upset if they did mention the Pandit exodus
Vox please tell the whole story. Also tell about the kashmiri pandits. All the agony they have been through. And there is no need of a referendum, kashmir is and will be a part of india, and some day pok and aksai chin will also be a part of india. Jai hind
For those who are saying " what about the exodus? ". Well even before it, the pundits were a minute percentage of the population. At the time of partition they made up only 6% of the population and continued to reduce due to migration ( becaz of land reforms ). Now the exodus is a whole other debate and i dont see how India can use it to justify the atrocities it is committing in Kashmir. I mean the fact that about 700,000 indian troops are stationed in IOK is a clear sign of human rights being suppressed. Also its funny how when Pakistan helps the Kashmirs, the term terrorism is used but even though the video clearly shows the atrocities of the Indian Government, it doesn't associate the word terrorism for them ( *sigh* Islamophobia ). The guy who carried out the Palwama attack is a freedom fighter and not a terrorist, like all other kashmiri martyrs.
Noman Rasheed Jesus Christ the salt, aight all of you listen up: Kashmir is In all terms of the word, a rightful part of India. It was given to India by the Prince and even the British agreed upon it. Pakistani people are just jealous due to the fact they’ve lost every war against India and are trying desperately to hold this remnant of territory by the excuse of Muslim martyrs. They even choose to ignore the mass exodus of Hindus in Kashmir and only focus on the Muslim majority. If Kashmir goes to Pakistan, what will happen to the Pundits? They’ll be killed since there is a Hindu phobia in Pakistan.
@@abdultawab4621 brother i agree that the presence of troops trouble u but believe they are just to protect our country .....and no one can justify the mass murderer of hindu pandits ....so just shut up.
Thank you for sharing this. After watching the video, I am wondering why India kept on pushing for their claim. Most countries do it for resources but this video failed to point it out.
VOX WHY!! Yesterday my group and I presented our project about Kashmir and we needed a video to show to explain everything. this. came. out. eight. hours. ago. OMG WE HAD TO GO WITH SOME TRASH VIDEO. i am crying inside.
Trust me, they made this video with Zero research. Interviewed 4 Kashmiri who has the same views. Indian Army uses pallet guns against stone pelters (Kashmiri who throw stones on soldiers) and the same army saves them from natural disasters. In 2014, India Government refused to take any foreign aid for Flood Disaster in Kashmir and issued $250mn for relief (Relief from other states and private companies not included). India spends 10% of Central Funds (Federal Funds) on Kashmir which has 1% of the population.
LMAO... As soon as I saw the truth being reported about the Indian Army brutalization and occupation I knew there would be a comment by an Indian guy who's completely brainwashed by the Indian Media. Indian Media is like Fox News here on steroids. Don't believe me, just ask any Indian about what he thinks about the Rohingya genocide. He'll tell you that the media isn't reporting about Rohingya Muslims killing Rohingya Hindus... :/ These guys are complete idiots.
As the grandson of an Indian soldier, who fought in both the 2nd and the 3rd kashmir, I constantly heard how my grandfather MANY undocumented "war crimes", this war was BRUTAL and brought the worst out of people. Rest In Peace Ajoba . . .
"I constantly heard how my grandfather MANY undocumented "war crimes"" What are you saying? He committed many war crimes? Or witnessed or faced many? You left out the key word.
The British to everyone else: y’all have great stuff in your countries so we getting in on it. Years later: umm so we are broke & can’t run this place anymore so here’s a nice line, sort yourselves out. Also the British: “Too many foreigners coming to our kingdom, getting our jobs, why can’t they stay in their countries and sort out their own problems! Brexit please!..
Here's a real british intake on this. I am open to foreigners coming into the UK if we adopt the system where only imports of skilled workers are allowed in. Economists suggest that if people were able to move and live anywhere they wanted to, the global GDP would be DOUBLE. Multiculturalism isn't bad, personally i just don't like Islam i don't like the religion and i wouldn't have an issue with the people if they didnt bring their religion. I have no issue with people of other ethnicities, hence even the first Briton to set soil on UK soils was supposed to be brown - scientists claim
As for the second point, that's your standard right wing white patriots that are conservative and are traditionists they feel scared to the feeling of change in this rapidly changing world
@@AlphaUk Christiand when colonising different countries made it an obligation to introduce Christian principles... That's how it works. When we believe if something is right, we would like to spread it to the others. Also, well said @Chisha Musonda They're getting a taste of their own medicine and they're finding it bitter.
@@mahadnaseeramer yeah. If they are helping terrorist by pelting stones on security forces actually they deserve to be shot at site but army is professional
@@universal1079 I am really sorry, I didn't make myself clear. Of course you are right my statement is partially not correct. As Kashmir was ruled by the mughals for 5 centuries, who introduced Islam to the Hindu and Buddhist population by some not so peaceful means. Did I get my facts right ?
@@aruji-sama people of India converted from Hindus to Muslims and indirectly people belong here. It's not Muslims it's Hindus who changed their religion |
@@jimk4213 ummm. No. All of the wars were won by India. Just stating facts. UN was the one to intervene India’s advances. And all these times, Pakistan was the one to start the conflict
Great to see that Vox didn't include the mass exodus of Kashmir Pandits in this video. As a Kashmiri Pandit myself who was forced to leave my home due to the religious persecution, I am very disappointed by Vox. Why are you hiding this fact in this video ? I am unsubscribing this channel today.
not persecution but you abandoned your land .....not more than thousand pandits died and look out in history it wasn't persecution but mass flee with govt support so govt could massacre people which they did after the moment you left this nation..how is it possible that 2 lakh people would leave in one night and even their neighbours wont notice there fleeing....but still no borders have been closed why don't you return....you wont because there is chaos and oppression everywhere .....
Correct. This video is half truth which only covers the overview of the issues. You can't have a referendum at a place where the demographic was drastically changed.
But who forced the exodus? That's what the video is showing. It's a vicious cycle. The exodus was a by-product of the hatred. Kashmiri pundits is a minority in the region.
It's also important to note that "kashmir" also includes Jammu and ladakh who aren't Kashmiris and have nothing to do with them. Ladakh is Buddhist while Jammu is hindu. I'm a Jammu dogra and it'd be better if jammu and kashmir get separated from each other. Jammu needs to become it's own state , we aren't kashmiri 🇮🇳
Altamish Tahir As as Kashmiri, even though the video is not biased it certainly leaves out a lot, The massacre of Muslims in Jammu in 1948, the slow separatist movement in the second half of the 1900's, the rigged 1987 elections, the kashmiri Pandit killings, a lot of what happened during 90's and early 2000's.
Kashmir is named after Rishi (sage) Kashyapa. It's population was a Hindu population, and it would still have had a strong Hindu population, known as Kashmiri Pandits (scholars) if not for the Islamist t3rr0rists who have committed genocide of the worst possible kind, including on women and children. What is left is a Muslim majority population who are now calling themselves as Kashmiris and asking for independence, but what about the Kashmiri Pandits who want to get back to their homes but cannot because of the very same people who are claiming to be victims?
The videos are from different series (Vox Darkroom => Cat Video, Vox Atlas => Kashmir Video). They don't need to line up. I think it's refreshing that not every video is similar - you can skip videos you don't like :-)
Kashmir is the actual name of the kingdom that existed before pakistan occupation, no one talks about the time when Kashmir was an independent kingdom even after indian and pak's independence, it was only when pakistani tribes attacked Kashmir that Kashmir's king hari sing gave partial powers of the kingdom to india. And Jammu isn't disputed, jammu is mostly dominated by Hindus and thus pakistan isn't much interested in it.
@@user-nf5ye4vn7z i know right, the British were the first to unite the subcontinent in the last couple thousands of years (if you believe the stories of the ancient kingdom that untied all of india Pakistan and Bangladesh) before the British it was all small kingdoms and tribes not at all a United country, and then people blame the British for dividing the country when they forcefully united it? Don't get me wrong the British did some horrible stuff in India but it's ridiculous to blame it on them
usa imposed arms embargo on Pakistan in 65 war while India was being resupplied by USSR. It only gave its moral support during 71. What history you talking about O.o
@@usmantahir8690 Bangladesh was part of Pakistan in the past... There were two Pakistan..east Pakistan and west Pakistan...west Pakistan was making progress and east was ignored by the West Pakistan..people of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) were oppressed, beaten and controlled. People of East Pakistan started to illegally migrate India because of the oppression many Hindus also fled from the east Pakistan ...Indira Gandhi (prime minister of India) wrote to American officials regarding the issue.. India was already suffering from poverty and more and more people kept coming and it was getting hard to control economy and other issues...during this time there were talks about communism within the borders of east Pakistan...which troubled USA because they were already at Cold War with USSR, they were worried about rising communism in the Asian region...as the basic psychology goes... Democratic countries have strong ties with other democratic countries, Communist with communist, Muslims with Muslims.. Pakistan was backed by China....India could have taken help from America but geographically it's too far to send backup if war broke out any moment....so Indira Gandhi send a message to USSR officials regarding the situation....Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation. The Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a treaty signed between India and the Soviet Union in August 1971 that specified mutual strategic cooperation (according to this treaty if any of the two countries get attacked by other countries then the second country will come to help the first country. ) India hoped that USSR will help but India wasn't sure if they will get involved to help India....so Indian government decided that they will fight alone.. As there was no choice....USA got the Intel about USSR and India's conversations and friendliness so they decided to support Pakistan and used their influence and told other countries to attack India to help Pakistan (Countries I mentioned above)...USSR got the Intel about USA's move against India and came to aid India as India was there ally and friend and also the largest importer of USSR weapons..all countries send their naval Forces towards India and so did USSR....other countries didn't knew that USSR was coming to help India with planes, ships and submarines loaded with nuclear weapons ...USSR gave open warning to every other country that if Single artillery hits the Indian soil be prepared to drown, USSR gave threat to China too even though they were both communist...all countries turned back as everyone knew how powerful USSR was and won't hesitate to use nuclear weapons if needed.....and so the war was just fought between India and Pakistan (USSR didn't interfere between them as they believe it was a conflict between two nations but was prepared to help if someone else came in against India) .... Pakistan was helped by USA..they were supplied with weaponry and other stuff..USSR provided weapons to India And Israel provided sensitive Intel and satellite imagery for strategic advantage as Israel too has troubled neighbors and Jews were never discriminated in India and Judaism has existed in India for last 2000 years so they felt special connection with India..
@@legstitchedtigerftw2455 bruhh what about the kahmiri Pandits then the majority of them were killed in the homicide conducted in the muslim majority kashmir smh It should be 20% hindus left because the rest were just cleaned off like a stain
@4:35 I think this is the most valid point. Kashmir is being labelled to a territorial dispute. It's much bigger than that. Not just a piece of land. People living there are suffering. The environment and ecology are suffering (floods and landslides). The focus should be on improving and developing Kashmir which can only come from peace. All three sides should take a hit on the ego and focus on future and betterment of Kashmir rather than control over Kashmir. The situation is very complex and has convoluted into such a big political mess that it cannot be solved going on the same path. Only through empathy and understanding and a change of mindset of the leadership can solve this.
I don't understand why india wants the land, it is providing very little economic benefit and majority of the population is Muslims who are tied with pakistan just hand it over peacefully
@@AdityaKar That might be true except the majority of war crimes and mass killings on innocent Kashmiris have been conducted by the Indian military. This might be the reason as to why they're so opposed to a referendum, as Kashmiris would almost certainly not vote for India in the current situation.
Talk about British colonialism. They split the region into two parts for a reason. This kind of separation maneuver is very common to stunt the growth of the former colonized region. I am Indonesian and the Dutch was using the same maneuver to our Western Papua. Thank God we have prominent leader back then, Sukarno, and the support of USA government under JF Kennedy. May the conflict in Kashmir soon be solved peacefully. War only brings destruction and more conflict, and more income to the arms dealer or any interested parties, which eventually will promote more conflict. Vicious cycle indeed.
The reason was to prevent a feared civil war between the two religious groups, which was a very real threat. If they wanted to divide and weaken, why make India so much bigger than Pakistan? I'm not saying it was a perfect plan, it was very flawed, but doing nothing was not an alternative unless you wanted possibly even more bloodshed.
@@Croz89 India is much bigger because it had a much larger population. Hundreds of millions of Muslims also chose India. Plus, all those Civil Wars were a result of British colonialism only. Vox has released another video, explaining the divide and rule policy. It is a well detailed and illustrated video. Give it a watch
@@NG-nf2mz My point was partition (and partition specifically) wasn't done with the intent to weaken ex-colonial powers on the Brits left (if so it clearly hasn't been very successful!). As you said they India is bigger because of population and religious issues. Yes, you can argue the civil wars would not have happened if the Brits hadn't spent decades stoking religious tensions for divide and rule in the past, but what's done is done and we need to look at the options they had at that current point in time. Do nothing, high likelihood of a civil war. Partition, still a high likelihood of conflict. It was a choice between two bad options. The question is which one was worse than the other. Perhaps if partition had been done better (maybe go the Kosovo route and make Kashmir an independent state) things would have been a lot less bloody. We'll never know.
@@Croz89 The Brits weren't malicious, just negligent. Once they decided (or were persuaded) to leave they lost interest in their former colonies and washed their hands of them, resulting in conflict and chaos.
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The latest crisis between India and Pakistan over Kashmir comes as India’s Hindu nationalist government has revoked Article 370 of India’s Constitution, which had for decades afforded the Muslim-majority state of Jammu and Kashmir - India’s side of Kashmir - substantial autonomy over its own affairs.
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Well because it isn't happening now days, kashmiri pundits are one of the most successful people In India
@@saadrizvi6630 there are no atrocities now on kashmiri pandits but they were humiliated once brutally do you deny that
@@mangeshghaisas606 of course their exodus was barbaric and unwanted, it was a huge lass for kashmir, but brutal no way, if you have seen the atrocities of Japanese during world War, that is something I would call brutal
Can I upload this video on my Channel?
@@saadrizvi6630 if I ask u to get lost from ur home and leave ur women and children behind would u be happy and excited about it or would u call it halala and say that allah asks for it?
Stop acting like a fool God is watching u man and he will not have any mercy if u dont have any for fellow humans.
I really love all of Vox videos but they have missed out on some important points here.
1. No mention of Kashmiri Pandits/Hindus.
2. No opinions of people from other areas of Jammu and Ladakh which were also part of the "Hindu Monarch's" territory.
3. No opinions of people from Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Chinese part of Kashmir (Aksai Chin).
4. No mention of Racism in Kashmir against Indians and its role in secessionist movement.
This would only have been a well rounded piece if all these things were also included. This video only seems a little lazy.
I hope I provided some constructive criticism and have been of some help.
Aksai Chin.. (OCCUPIED BY CHINA) Has almost no population.. Its a barren piece of rock and mountains.
People in Jammu are not Facing suppression.
Kashmiri Pandits were not Rehabilitated properly by the Indian Govt and are still being used as a political tool by the Political Parties.
Everywhere in Jammu and Kaashmir except Parts of Kashmir Valley.. There is full freedom.
Parts of Kashmir Valley are run as per the Draconian AFSPA and SOG is allowed to conduct ops as per their will.
Thia has been counter productive.
As many innocents have been degraded or have disappeared.
So all the problem lies with that part of Kashmir only. And even most parts of Ladakh didnt want article 370 removed, it was done forcefully.
Our pro India Leaders were arrested and put under detention.
For the record. I am pro India..and I am an Indian.
But there is a way of doing things.. And our Govt has failed to realise it.
Also Pakistan is not an effective democracy either..
Are you surprised???
Tanmay Bhakta you know how many women were r@ped every year in india?
@@presidentjiang6762 bot spotted
@@darkgenius758 how is he a bot he can reply
I'm binge watching so many videos related to border disputes and wars. And the root of every problem ? Yes. that's Britain.
true its great to blame Britain for other peoples own personal choices lololololol (btw not British I'm American)
@@sujiths4949 I have 🤦♂️. And I’ve read of everything Britain and America’s empires have done… doesn’t excuse modern day peoples own personal choices does it
@@goonsdoona2979 Yes blaming is easy
Or US or Russia.
USA is modern day Britain
How many border problems u want to create?
British: yes
Add USA!
@@subhamrammishra7110 they r kids comparing to British
Gobi GobiNath *used to
@@shubbyshabaas it's not my native language. But I think it's correct.
you mean chacha nehru
Something you missed was the Kashmiri Hindu Genocide. After ‘87, the group of radicals started targeting Kashmiri Hindus. There were a lot of Hindus that lived in Kashmir. They had to run for their lives. A lot of them settled in Jammu. The stories/accounts of these events are horrific. Hence, this worsened the situation for rest of the Muslims. The hope for Peace was lost as Indian state retaliated similarly with giving more powers to military in that area. Also the Indian Kashmiri Politicians played popularism and promoted Radical Ideology while their family lived on Indian Govt’s money and their children settled in abroad.
Kashmiri Hindus? You mean Transmigrants from Indian territory to Kashmir region?
@@theodesfael kahmiri hindus are not transmigrants, they are ethnically kashmiris, stop peddling lies.
@@pramit8903 only a minority or community. not as big as the transmigrants from India who changed the demography in Kashmir since the Indian Occupation of Kashmir
@Ayronical They have a lot of influence on your country. That's a fact.
@@theodesfael Kashmir itself belongs to india, Islamists are the immigrants
If there is a problem and war, there are British before.
Actually, no. The Brits tried their best to leave the subcontinent with as little conflict as possible. The main reason is the hate between hindus and muslims.
As a Chinese, I highly relate...
@@harshkulshrestha9440 Well, Actually there the one who sow the seeds of seperatism in India through morley-minto reforms.
@@harshkulshrestha9440 and the toxic hate between hindu and Muslims is only bc of british's divide and rule policies. plus British did not do its best to leave with little conflict as possible. they just randomly drew lines on a map and called it india and pakistan. the division of india wasn't in any religious or politically inclined-regions basis. i think u need to research more on indian history
@@harshkulshrestha9440 correct!
Talking about Kashmires without even mentioning kashmiri pandits and their exodus of 1990?
Lol, that never happened.
@@ammarshah2366 Read history
@@khosrowanushirwan7591 The exodus of pandits from which Kashmir are you talking about? Because it's already in three parts. One to Pakistan and one to China.
@@ammarshah2366future will be interesting..
its not an Exodus, its Genocide
"When you snatch pens from youth, you are forcing them to pick up guns."
Those words have a lot of truth and impact behind them.
ziqi92 Nope just shows cultural mentality. Gandhi was kicked, punched, humiliated and in return he picked up non-violence.
Usama bin Laden was an engineer
Thanks for the one-off examples.. Are you somehow presenting them as an argument saying that not giving the youth education is fine? That they go to war because they intrinsically like it? The phrase is about the young being forced to be military resources instead of intelectual power - to serve a war that they didn’t choose to be in. Stop with your out of context and nonsense examples.
And what about Kashmiri Hindus???
Kashmir is not belongs only to some Sunni Muslim
@@seidenada526 so you think that those people speaking almost perfect english in this video are illiterate? You think Kashmiris don't get education? Get your facts right .
I like how they completely ignored the Kashmiri Pandit genocide 😄
Who cares about this😂
@@KyojuroRengoku98chuslim😂
@@KyojuroRengoku98why ? Why we can't care about them is the life of the kashmiri pandits and Kashmiri sufi has no velue , who talking about genocide of kashmiri pandits and Kashmiri sufi Muslim , by wahabis and Tablighi jamati terrorist
@@KyojuroRengoku98brother, are you sure you watched the video?
Genocide of 280 people dying?
This will keep happening until someone discovers OIL in Kashmir
*AMERICAN ANTHEM INTENSIFIES*
Wouldn't that make the conflict more intense? And also suddenly America will be interested in the affair too.
You guys know America is self sufficient on oil, right?
But their greed overpowers it
@@renjoh but like who doesn't want more oil right
The video is missing the geopolitical value: Water.
The area is where the rivers Jhelum and Chenab (that feed the Indus) start. Whoever controls the area, controls the flow of water.
edit: one of my best comments
So that makes sense in that they keep suppressing the Kashmiri vote. Either nation doesn't want Kashmir to be independent. I think the voices of the citizens say it best, they know that the fight is not about them, but the land.
@meow it matters more because if Pakistan occupies Kashmir they will have a strategic advantage in attacking India. Right now the mountains block them. Indians don't trust the Pakistanis enough to allow them to attack us so easily if they chose to
Thanks Hassan. I was waiting for this part and it never came.
Geopolitical or not. The factor that people need to die over it when theyre not involved is bullshit. But at the sametime prevent china from any gains. They should be working together against china since china is trying to push as much as possible on geopolitical positions. That's why they wanna do the new china belt way to help their millitary move faster through other countries.
Iirc, the etymology of the name Kashmir has the word water in it.
British logic: cutting down trees to write books about saving trees
Very powerful word
Lol but 1 thing I want to tell... It's PRONOUNCED KAHSHMIR NOT CASH MEER
Wait that's how the world works right now
exactly lol
Do u play krunker kof97?
I like how basically every century old conflict generally boils down to how the british left its colonies in utter chaos
What's happening in Bangladesh is also done by British? What's happening in India even.. musIim mob attscking hindu festivals daily
@@shiftenter10 yes that bangladesh was also a east paKistan once upon a time. No doubt H!ndus are in trouble pakistan and bangladesh but you need to accept that britain also did divide and rule policy before partition
Vox forgot to mension the fact that:-
All this would never have happened if the British never divided the country on religious basis.
@Meena Khandelia noo man you are scaaring him
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yeah, but if britain didnt split... there would be a war in 1979 between muslims and hindus.
@Meena Khandelia more death
But still war would still happen
@Fail Zero ya like u ppl where never responsible for such conflicts. come too my country india look at the bound between our muslim and hindu brothers your divide and concor policy has lead to such problems
The Interesting thing is that Kashmir is just 20% of India's Jammu and Kashmir.
People tend to ignore Jammu and Ladakh.
This ignorance makes this conflict more complex.
Mr HT
Why not just hold a referendum? Everything will sort out..
@@qadwani4327 It will happen after curing the Islamic State problem.
When their slogan will become secular including Kashmiri Hindu.😇
pakistan has to take out their army from POK but pakistan refused to take its troops
Suhani Pant
Same as India in IOK
Suhani Pant Pakistan doesn’t have as much troops in Kashmir than India
The video only touches on obvious points and misses on 2 major points, I think.
1) The water problem. The region is the birthplace of all the major rivers flowing across the two nations. Whoever controls Kashmir, controls the water supply. The water is especially important for Pakistan, which accounts for a major amount of its irrigation supply.
2) The Kashmiri Pandits. The insurgency of 90s made a large number of hindus leave Kashmir. The refugees are still not able to settle in Kashmir since then.
It's not about water first of all . It's about China's aggression against India since forever and Pakistan is used as a tool and religion a way to recruit soldiers .
Earlier it was supported by USA and pushed by CIA but back then Russia supported India so CIA backed off and India was also not very strong .
Today India has a strong market and Modi is tough when it comes to national dealings so USA supported India first time as India kept saying no to preesure from USA regarding trade .
Plus India also always had good relations in the middle East with all countries and regimes so here Pakistan got no support from OIC .
Even in UN India got support . Only countries to oppose it were Pakistan and China .
Secondly the community cleansing of kashmiri pandits and Sufis was so that if a referendum is held in Kashmir there LL be no one to oppose .
World isn't that much changed . We only got technology today and some benefits from it but world is the same .
@@abcdwxyz5391 Water is in fact one of the prime reasons why Kashmir problem is such a mess, other is obviously politics.
@@abcdwxyz5391 Modi is not tough , he controls media who in turn control his public image. The US or any other state never partook in Kashimr conflict , you seem to be incited by some conspiracy theory . Although you are correct about China being happy in all this.
It’s funny to watch western media coverage on Kashmir
why? is this wrong or something?
Why
@TheAtomicA Everyone also ignores what happened to thousands of muslims from Jammu in 1947
@@Gyubear304 Yeah, the massacres in Rajouri by the princely state are horrible. Just like the massacres of shias in Muzaffarbad and Buddhists in Baltistan. All people groups in J&K have suffered tremendously
@@Naveen-tq7cg it was not only Rajouri...
Brought to you by the british empire. In the next season, join us for africa
Lol spot on
Best till now , everyone in here arguing about India and pakistan but none here talking about the original creater of the conflict
Always blame the British. Pakistan and India didn't hold a vote on Kashmir how can the British be blamed for that?
I don't support colonisation or British mistakes in India.
Don't be ridiculous. Partition was cooked up by Jinnah and Nehru. Britain had no choice.
@@Alan_Mac Well Britain was asked by the Muslims to do this
As a Kashmiri, I feel for the lad that comes in the end and says he can't achieve his dreams because of this geo politics. Also, this video is incomplete without the mention of the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits.
Neet
Exactly! Am not a Kashmiri but there's more to it than this!
Pakistan might have funded the terroriststuff but atleast this way Kashmiris supports Pakistan,Pakistan Zindabad
@Taznaz Z is that even true???!??
@@yaeheal2570 nope
Well made video. But two things Vox missed, which would have helped the video : 1) Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. 2) Reaction of people from the Pakistani Occupied Kashmir
POK people Missing because, interview was in English
3) there was no violence in Kashmir until the Soviet Union left Afghanistan in 1991 and left the Pakistan mujahadeen unemployed
@@nik007delta Oh only you are factually wrong the violence had only started in late 1989.
1. Pakistani side of kashmir is much more peaceful
2 yes vox missed kulbushan yadav, samjhota express, mqm etc...
@@awesomefj If true and documented, then should be included, yes.
I am from jammu and Kashmir and i know plenty of people who support Pakistan and India.
If we ask them why you want to join with Pakistan the only answer I get is that we are muslim and those who support Indian the only valid answer from their side is that we are born in India thats why we are Indian...
Poeple of kashmir want to join Pakistan because they see themselves as Muslims not Indians that's the real reason ...i know 16-17 years old boy throwing stones...
Do you think 17 year old boy can differentiate between right and wrong...
Poeple manipulate them in name of religion..
Now everyone wants to leave Pakistan, no food, hyperinflation, military controls all the jobs, bombings of Sunni and military does not pay taxes on land and other stuff.
Yes that’s literally an age of maturity
Even eight year old boy support Pakistan
They are ryt who's saying they're born in India and that's ryt
17 year old is pretty old enough lol.
The British were kicked out of India after many many conflicts and political struggles. They didn't just 'decide' to leave.
They were never kicked out they chose to leave cause of ww2 financial crisis & nothing was much left in india to loot.
If it was in Indian's power to kick out the British there wouldn't have been a Pakistan. So British decided themselves to leave because they were bankrupt by the war.
@@rajendrakumarsrivastavaa9899 nah they were still adamant to rule. They ran after navy mutiny and India's growing demand for freedom and self rule. They got the idea it will be harder for them to manage this nation now. Our freedom fighters done a lot.
@@manvendrasinghchauhan1904 don't you know what happened with England after ww2 , the whole world knows about Churchill scandal bruhh & other reason was indian national army was under netaji bose.....that caused the uproar & nothing much was left to loot, give five minute of your time & think about what they could have looted, cause there was nothing much left & then they left last scar of dividing india.
@@rajendrakumarsrivastavaa9899 revenue from taxes, still india was market to them for their goods, cheap labour and raw materials. I know that was war time still they would have profited. Their were countries that were liberated till 1970 and more.
Today British are enjoying these conflicts with a cup of tea...
@More On Charvaka quite relatable...
@@jatinchauhan1880 thats not true we gave you back your nations from overwhelming public pressure take some responisibilty for your own hatred and short-comings
@@davidwilliams658 well I am not a fool. I know my country' s history so don't teach me what is right...
@@davidwilliams658 you gave us our nation but not in one piece you broke it to many pieces divide and rule was always your methodology and because of that the current situation is like this in kashmir
@@adarshmishra2435like i said in my post take some responsibility for your own problems
This video didn't cover exodus of kashmiri pandits(hindus)
Of course they wouldn't, Vox is a liberal new outlet and liberals almost always favor Pakistan since it is a 'Muslim country' and liberals are best friends with Muslims. They only show the side of the Muslim majority Kashmiris and their struggles. They don't care about the Hindu side of it since the Hindu country of India is the so-called 'oppressor'.
But pundits escaped from here and living luxurious life in West
It didn't cover the genocide of thousands of Jammu muslims
@@ijaz2like why did they have to escape the peaceful people?
@@nuclearbug5797 lakhs*
You left out the kashmiri pandit exodus where there they were forced out of their own homes for not agreeing to convert to Islam.
@@harlowidathanks bro for telling the truth. I searched about this and laughed thinking how hypocrisy works because i never ever heard about it .
They won’t mention it as US media is pro Pakistan.
As a kashmiri pandit watching this was heart breaking. I used to think Vox will be different as they are more of an independent journalism tribe but even they only presented one side of the story.
I’m sorry for whatever happened to you but you have to realize even with pandits it was still complete Muslim majority.
@@salaarfaiz3877 Brother it was not about majority or minority it was about representation. The army was increased after 1990 it wasn't this much before that , you can look it up and you will see with the terrorism increasing they had no other way to control other than deploying the army for controling the situation. If the terrorism had stopped after that even the army would decrease eventually. India has borders at multiple states but this number of Army personnel are deployed just in Kashmir not anywhere else because terrorist acitivities at such a large scale isn't anywhere else in the country.
One sided story interview of one community and no one interviews Kashmiri pundits why ?
Your not kashmiri lol shut up
Well it’s sad wha happened but the people are using it as an excuse for repressing the Kashmiri Muslim who
Lost 1 lack of their own
Kashmir is not the whole area of J&K, it include Jammu province, Kashmir province and Ladakh region. Now it is divided into two union territories UT of J&K and UT of Ladakh.
Ladhakis are brave people. I have read about Chewang Rinchen
@@coolwinds1585 sight majority of them are Shia and rest are buddist and hindu
@DavetheSlave it was independent until Pak attacked. And the former monarch signed treaty with India.
@@ojhamridul2552 and do you know why pak invaded???? There was a monarch backed masaccre happened in jammu where 100000 kashmiris where killed that's why pak invaded or else that guy would've wiped entire Kashmir muslim population
@@pingpong1465 Best wishes for your history classes. Oh sorry it seems political classes because what you typed has no relevance to reality.
Its your choice to dig some books to learn something or be a part of blunt propoganda. Hope your messiah would approve whatever you passing here.
Anybody after India revoking Article 370 from Kashmir??
Here im...
and me..! happy news..
Hehe
I feel sad for Kashmiris
They lost their special status
I am here
What a journalism!!!
Kashmiris who shared their opinions with vox:
Aqib Salam
Aarif Shah
Aijaz Ganaie
Injilla Sidiq
Sadaf Zehra
Mian Tufail
Mehak Dhaar
Rehan
Rihana Maqbool
Waqas Khan
Sajid Yousuf
Tariq Bashir
fr
this is so true
its a 95 percent Muslim majority region, who else did u expect
@@umerbsrohh you are right because they already killed Kashmiri pandits so not a wonder 😢
@@Alphazer064 if they were in Kashmir, they would have been interviewed. You can't blame vox for not finding pandits in kashmir
I like how you always say a war broke out but never mention who attacked whom
doesnt want to be islamaphobic
This is the problem with left leaning people ,they always try to censor stuff
@@surqula1243 did Pakistan start most of them or something
@@Luke_05 not only attacks they are also responsible for terrorism in India ….2008 terror attack and many more….actually Pakistan attacked( actually a genocide) India the first day they became independent… the direct action day or the Calcutta killings when Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan and they even wanted capture Kolkata
@@Luke_05 yeah even in 1999 war india didn't go beyond the loc of Pakistan to their land
The video does not even discuss the mass killing, cleansing and exodus of Kashmiri Hindus in 90s. It left out an entire part of history.
You expected them to talk about it 🙄.
290 deaths is mass killing?
And they Also didn't talked about genocide of Jammu Muslims
@@Alamgir-ri6px 290 deaths that you talk about were of the most prominent Kashmiri Hindus. The rest were not even fortunate enough to get cremated as their families fled in hurry. And the hundreds of thousands of people that had to flee and leave their properties and everything they had behind to start a new life? Were they not humans? In 1989, there were hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits in the valley. Now there are not even a few thousand.
@@Alamgir-ri6px were u there to count the bodies I guess not know your facts stop talking about things u don't know.
@@Alamgir-ri6px the guy who killed his own family is talking about killing 😂😂😂,
Ironic
No mention of Water, No mention of Kashmiri pandits. No mention of opinion of people in POK. Very well researched video
Thats cuz we don't want to join India lol.
Bro hm to independent Kashmir ka khetay hai.azad Kashmir or iok ko milao or separate country bna do.
Ye south asia ka Switzerland bn jae ga.
@@muhammadsheharyardogar6256 u see, India is union. It's like EU. Kashmiri can be proud state of India like other Indian states. It's 21st century. How many more borders you wanna create to separate humans
@@smit17xp India is not like EU, EU is a federation and India is a Union of States, A Union involves a common government, but no state has more power than the other and a state can never seperate itself to form another country.
@@ripudamansinghverma yes it is not like America and EU but kashmir and the people of Kashmir will become happy and developed with India
Pakistan have no power and money for development of Kashmir
🇮🇳🇮🇳Jai Hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳
Armenia is with India
Why only the people of Srinagar were interviewed? Must have also covered the response of the Gilgit Baltistan people as well
That's because a free country lets its people speak up and lets the press talk. Not so true with our neighbors 🤣
@@shreenathjraman3619
No because gilgit wants to say with pakistan. I know the people there. More patriotic than me. They love pakistan
@@-Isah7866 Oh ofcourse they do. :) Atleast noone from this side claims it to be Indian territory. Y'all can sit and claim Kashmir and every Indian state to be a part of Pakistan. Couldn't care less. Have a great day sir.
@@shreenathjraman3619
We dont want land. We want to free the kashmiris, it means by voting for independance or pakistan/india. They should choose not modi. Btw we dont want indian states thats china. Check the status of Ladakh :)
@@-Isah7866 sure you do🤣
SERIOUSLY A WHOLE 10 MINUTE VIDEO ON KASHMIR WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING THE KASHMIRI PANDITS WHO PEACEFULLY RESIDED IN THE LAND OF SARASWATI (KNOWLEDGE)!!!
@Teejay the Razzaks created havoc in Hyderabad and the north Karnataka region. they were Members of the powerful Razakar militia, the armed wing of Hyderabad's most powerful Muslim political party, who were terrorising many Hindu villagers. There isn't much proof about the civilians, but if it did happen, it was obviously a reaction to the years of tormenting but still, it was unfortunate. ( it mostly didn't happen they must have happened as they might have attacked the army). Also, Hyderabad was always a part of Bharat so 'forcibly' is out of the question.
Its People's Land
He also did not mention the Jammu Muslim genocide so no need to get hyper
Kashmiri pandits situation was a failure of Government... which was hindus..... They couldn't.. or did not even try... to solve it from the independence ... wanna know why? election's mai kuch hindu muslims ka Mudda chahiye na... Lifetime ka mudda ban gaya ... ye Kashmiri Pandit
@@ahnafahmed4951 yea
Meanwhile the British people watching this video be like... omg what have my ancestors done😂
British people answering themselves: what we have done.
humans feel shame and regret, british don't
What should we have done? Killed them all? Fought wars against the natives rather than choose the path of peace? The problem started upon independence.
@@TheSm1thers The hasty decision of dividing a country caused this massive problem which was done by British.
British are still planning about Brexit matters for years but divided a country within months by calling a man who had never stepped in this region ever !!
@@peace163 What problem? The 'country' was already divided, only kept together by effective administration. Dividing it into India and Pakistan was the best way to limit the problems of a withdrawal. Anything that happened after must be attributed to the locals, who could've just chosen to live in peace rather than committing genocide against one another.
One sided documentary
No mention of Kashmiri Pandit Massacre
No mention of balitstan freedom struggle
No mention of jammu. It’s jammu and Kashmir and all in jammu loves India. I am from jammu I’d rather kilo myself before going to Pakistan. There is no dispute in jammu and kashmir. We love India. Jai hind. There’s only one dispute and that is our gilgit balitstan we want it back.
Baltistan freedom struggle.
Wow.
I'm from gilgit Baltistan and we want Pakistan.
Half of People from gilgit Baltistan go to Islamabad or Karachi for jobs
So, without sight you shouldn't criticise.
You can have Gilgit Baltistan back once you manage to spell it correctly.
So why not you make a counter documentary,Mr Intelligent Sir
Obviously this comment section is going to be civil and structural Just like the Kashmir situation.
True but what's your stance in this issue?
#ReferendumForKashmir
Simple as that.
@@براہمداغ that's perhaps the best methodology, but to convince both the states, and the elites to sit down to have a dialogue, is the difficult part!
I guess the youths will have to pressure their leaders to do the right thing, and put an end to this cycle of violence
@@munendersingh5631 i just want peace. India and Pak are huge upcoming economies with similar languages and people in many ways. I just want them to work together not against.
I'd prefer UN intervention.
@Overweight Russian Grandma
Before we get that far, lets get to the point where only one country in question agrees with referendum, whilst the other is violently opposed to it.
They hold, "alright" elections.
Besides any referendum in Kashmir would(at least should) be UN headed.
The story vox told is 1/10th of the whole part. MANNNN You left so so so much.
True. They didn't mention the hypocrisy of India in its dealings with Junagadh, which was completely at odds with how they treated Kashmir.
Its simplified.
That’s vox bro. As edgy as it tries to make itself look, it’s still mainstream down the line, especially on foreign issues, they’re not gonna go against the American narrative
@@harpyfridge Wait What?!
@@NiggaSlayer7 if you don't know how india was hypocritical in its dealings with the princely states, look up the annexation of Junagadh.
The Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits/Hindus was the most sad incident you forgot to mention that.
There exodus is just a drama.
Killing Kashmiris is also a drama😂😂😂
@@spreesppocket yea everything on the other part of same coin is just a drama... And only what you face is a sad reality!
Do more research, don't just be radicalized.
@@spreesppocket ig u studied in madrassa
It's a story created by extremists and muslims r thousands time better than casteist pandits
Britain didn't want partition. Jinnah was the one that insisted on it
Lol
4 lakh Kashmiri pandits forced to leave Kashmir but you never mentioned in this
Liberandu hai ye log.
dimagh hy? forced.. jahil
@@dawoodchouhan to kaunsa pyar se bola jaane ko.
Forced hi tha,aur jinhone manah kiya unhe maar diya gaya.
And there are 80 lakh Muslims in kashmir what about them
@@thestranger7824 they are still there no one is saying them to leave kashmir like they did for Hindus
"Let's divided the nation. Now everyone's happy👍"
*SIKED*
They both got angrier
Ah yes. Bill wurtz
@ Yeah if you're talking about Indians harming Pakistanis
@@flint8173 shut up mullah
@ lol
But on each other
Now talk about the Uyghur Muslims in China
ty 😁
@@pengu_jm not all of them, and y the china need to take the children and force them to learn about something that doesn't make sense
@@senzon7676 yes, they just put them in re-education camps for years together !!
Vox would piss their pants seeing the wrath of Chinese
@@senzon7676 there are allegations of torture etc. too, though I have no idea how true they are. The whole situation is worrying anyways, even though I understand the need to de-radicalize. I don't know much about it, and neither do officials afaik.
@@pengu_jm Not really possible. Vox woudn't even be allowed to step foot there. Even if they could, the CCP would've already prepared things. And the situation is very grim, considering that many Han Chinese have already been "contracted" to live with Uighur muslims in the region and many who protested there have ended up in "vocational training" schools.
With the Article 370 and 35A revoked, years old blunder was fixed. Now Kashmir is truly Indian. The people saying they are supressed were able to say so because they had freedom, the same thing they claimed to not have.
@Vox why can not you mention anything about Hindu Pandit Genocide that was committed. Then we can ask who has been supressed and who should have uprised.
Unfair of vox to talk about Kashmir without bringing Kashmiri pandits story.
Hhahahahahhaha nice
@@hasanaffan3642 what nice
@@hasanaffan3642 tera already le gaye
Could you tell more about the kashmiri pandits story?
Ghusao unko, yahan bhi ghusao, accha hai .
Brother you forgot about the forceful movement of Kashmiri pandits from the valley in the name of religion
Hope that they return to their native land and let the peace ☮️ prevail
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
@@LuCiFeR-et6fp well it could be a propeganda as claimed by Kashmiris that is why they didn't show it. Also neither did they talk about junagarh which would show who the actual aggressor was
true
2 state solution is good
@@LuCiFeR-et6fp you can never know the truth from Indian sources. Why aren't they going back? Kashmiris have said they have no problem with them? . Bcz India wants to stage a drama to justify its oppression
@@LuCiFeR-et6fpwhat do you mean population has increased? Do you think you are god that needs to be worshipped for letting Muslims have babies? Every communities population has increased on the basis of their educational background. Talk about the number of people killed in Kashmir conflict not how many people are born
I edited my comment so that the replies won't make sense
No you are wrong
@@ayushchawdhary537 ok then what is it sniper 2000
Any colonialism, actually.
Lol
Almost 100 years of the end of that. It's time to blame Pakistán and India.
No mention of Kashmiri Pandits.
Why?
Nobody knows or cares about them
Vox hates Hindus
Because you have to be relevant to the story. If you're explaining someone the independence of India in 1947, you won't tell him about the East Pakistan war. Use some sense. It's the writer's point of view.
Acha hua unlogo ke sath
@@waseykhan6203 Palestinians ke bare me bhi yhi bologe?
Not a single mention about kashmiri pandits
And how their own state side lined them
shhhhh Secularism hai
@@kumarsaurav4125 abhi BJP govt hai.. abhi bhi doosra exodus chal raha hai waha.. kya ukhaad raha h amit aur mudi?? Shhh secularism hai
No one cares lol
@@BeingOM unse pucho
@@KyojuroRengoku98 except for three nuclear armed nations, India, Pakistan and China.
Kashmir - suddenly black water coming out
AMERICAN - YO WANT FREEDOM?!?
its just pepsi
😂🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
@@jayeshmonlbs XD coca cola be like: THIS IS A GRAVE THREAT NUKE! NUKE I SAY THIS LAND
@@jayeshmonlbs 😂🤣
Im watching this as I conclude my 30 yr long awaited visit to Kashmir. Its beautiful, its people are noble, the conflict pains me. I truly pray it heals all wounds and a resolution is reached.
India - We won
Pakistan - We won
Hassan Minajh - no dude, the British won
Indians bycotted Netflix because made fun of modi. Same modi that butchered 2500 Muslims in Gujarat. His men ripped the fetus of muslim woman's womb with a sword. That's Indian for you
@@RatherA that was fake stfu u radical islamist
@G Joeye "pardoned by supreme court" even when he confessed ripping the fetus out of muslim woman's womb, his exact words were "I ripped the fetus out of her and raised it on my sword, it made me feel like Lord". Indian supreme court in one sentence
@@RatherA he did not butchered man supreme court of india cleared him in
sorry Hassan is a moron with a 1030 sat score the British is a non entity
The video is missing the geopolitical value: Water.
The area is where the rivers Jhelum and Chenab (that feed the Indus) start. Whoever controls the area, controls the flow of water.
Victor Roman Flores I was waiting for them to explain WHY the area is so important. Countries hold wars because they want the resources of the area and VOX never explained it. Thank you!
Water may seem to be an issue, that's not what has lead to the conflict or any of wars.
@@HemantKhachi True... in a way. Even thou conflicts have had a religion-based origin, the underlying reason is still resources.
I have to add that there's a very succesful treaty, btw: The Indus Water Treaty, and it has been respected by both parties, but the Climate Change is going to put more pressure on this matter.
@@lizzielewalski9868
Listen
thediplomat.com/2016/09/analysis-why-kashmir-matters/
lots of missing facts
1) No Interviews from POK
2) No Interviews from Aksai Chin ( China Occupied Kashmir)
3) Discuss about how the water resources would be distributed
4) If India agrees for Kashmir's independence will Pak and China do as well ( i suppose no, we all know how china annexed Tibet and doesn't care about its independence and no country in the world has guts to question them about it)
5) Coming to Majority Muslims in Kashmir, India had around 200Million Muslims so should India be divided again based on that, as you mentioned India is a secular country so why care about more Muslims in Kashmir and not the rest of the country)
6) Do you all know that Kashmir still has a special status in terms of land ownership, no other Indian citizen is allowed to own property in Kashmir unless you are a Kashmiri
Yes! If India agrees to make Kashmir an independent nation...Pakistan will do the same...as Pakistan has always said that..it depends on Kashmir people...whether to be a part of India or to be of Pakistan....or to emerge as an independent country....But this all is possible through dialogue only....That isn't being carried out...we Pakistani people don't want war nor most of the Indians do...It's just that Indian people aren't aware of the chaos happening in Indian occuppied Kashmir....Have you seen the footages of kashmiri people...brutally affected by Indian soldiers just for the sake of politics...Atleast local Indians should visit Kashmir and ask their people about what they want...I hope that I haven't used any statement against India or Indians...And if I have then i am sorry...as I never meant that....#wewantpeace....Kashmir will emerge as an Independent Nation Soon!! In Sha Allah....#KashmirZindabad..
@@faiqarashid1365 You haven't used any statement against India but against Indianism and Hindus.
@@eusebioescelante1659 what's that statement?I didnt mention ur religion in any of my statement then how is it against Hindus?I have used the word Indians that surely means all the Hindus , Muslims , Christians , Sikhs...
@@eusebioescelante1659 and how against Indianism ..Does Indianism don't come after humanity ?
No one lives in aksai chin
Kashmir as an independent country can never exist realistically
Exactly
It can't it not easy for Kashmir
Running a country is not easy
But Some Kashmiris and foolish Pakistanis don't understand
What Vox failed to include:
1.kashmir was made an independent nation in 1947, but sudden attack of pakistanis tribals to newly built kashmir made them fall to india.
2. 1990, kashmiri muslim population dragged out the minority hindu population from their own home with killing a lot and now today they talk of human rights.
3 .Article 370, which gave those kashmiris a feeling of being diffrent from India even though being in it, was recently revoked.
Not as you thought, he did include . Watch from 3:10 . The (2) point you have mentioned is not whole picture but white washing of Hindu communal forces in India. In reality, both sides where involved in killing and destruction , looting and had to flee where they where not in position to withstand the savagery.
Kashmir was ruled by a Hindu Monarch , that explains it.
@Arif and a few thousand years ago u didnt exist at all XD
@Arif doesn't matter, the king's decision was the only legally binding one.
Muslim drove hindus out because India was repopulating Kashmir to make it Hindu majority.
@@kamranbashir4842 dunbness is not a disease but ignorance is
Religions : Spread love not war!
Worshippers / Believers : Let's start a war shall we?
That happen when you drunk on religion
War has happened since the beginning of time a has little to do with religion. There will always be war.
it makes me sad to be muslim tbh
Baljinder Singh islam was never made to create war?
@Baljinder Singh You are just a big religion racist
I don’t understand why everyone just skip that kashmiri hindus part..!
But mostly Kashmir people is muslim
Because none of them are left to tell that in kashmir
You sometimes have to leave gandhigiri and be shubhashchandra bose
@@vatsal9005 trueee♥️
It is not only Hindu pandits. Nearly 1 million Hindus, Shia, Parsi and Ahmadiyya muslims were driven out of their homes by extremist Sunni groups in 1990's.
its exaggerated by your government. it was an isolated incident.
besides they are stating that kashmiri people are suffering not the Hindu or muslims.
It's funny how, even though the video seems to portray a neutral point of view on this conflict, only the muslim voices heard, only muslim pov is shown here. They have completely ignored the Kashmiri Pandit genocide that killed hundreds of hindus and the only alternative was to flee.
Even if they did, 97% of Kashmiris are Muslims, only 3% are Hindus so it belongs to Pakistan right fully
@@HDX12-Pakistan itself belongs to India rightfully!
@@HDX12-India isn't a religious state.
@@subghrajputraghavthat is true but modi as of recently has been pushing the hinduvata far right movement
@@UGOISCOOLNOW Hindutva is not a 'far right' movement. Right wing in India is not even Right Wing in America or Europe.
Why did you not mention Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits?
The didn't mention the jammu muslim massacres that killed and displaced triple amount of people.
@@muslimproudtobe so your response is that hindu exodus was justified ?
No its all I was saying its a bit hypocritical that's all.
@@oneforallah 219 Hindus were killed including the killings by Ikhwans (Indian backed counter insurgency militia). That's it! You wanna know how many Kashmiri muslims have been killed? In Jummu massacre estimated 237k were killed and since 1990 over 90k have been killed. Let's not talk about tortures, r*pes, forced disappearances, mass graves. So now you tell me who is justifying who?
My mom is Kashmiri. When my grandmother was a child her house was burnt down my Muslims. During the 80’s Muslims would threaten to rape the Hindus over speakers (you know, those speakers that are used for Muslims to pray). My great- grandmother wanted to stay in Kashmir but unfortunately she passed away in the mid to late 80’s. The Muslims demanded that we gave up our family home, where our family had been living in for generations. My mom hasn’t been to Kashmir for over 30 years now. One of my moms friends was forced to live in a migration camp for a year. During that time her father died from the stress. It’s really sad to see what’s happened to Kashmir .
Actually the place you are talking about is three different places, 1. Jammu 2. Kashmir 3. Ladakh.
They are making all these places kashmir in this documentary.
Yes !!😑
There is gilgit baltistan too which for some reason india calls it "pok", the people there identify as gilgiti and not kashmiri
Its called kashmir Pakistan 🇵🇰🔥🏔️🗻🚩❤️✌️☝️☠️🌍
@@hamzamahdi104 POK ?
@@fazleazeem958 dont worry in few years those will be called indians XD
My grandmother was Kashmiri. I would say the exodus of Hindus from that region after the conflict started in the 40s, has led to a significant disparity in what Kashmir once was and what it is now. I'm not sure if it's as just as it is presented to be, to simply poll the people of current Kashmir about what they think without giving any voice to all the Kashmiris who felt forced out of the region- by many of those same people who remained or migrated in. I guess that's one of the problems with multi generational conflicts. My grandmother's family will never get justice.
My mom is Kashmiri. When my grandmother was a child her house was burnt down my Muslims. During the 80’s Muslims would threaten to rape the Hindus over speakers (you know, those speakers that are used for Muslims to pray). My great- grandmother wanted to stay in Kashmir but unfortunately she passed away in the mid to late 80’s. The Muslims demanded that we gave up our family home, where our family had been living in for generations. My mom hasn’t been to Kashmir for over 30 years now. One of my moms friends was forced to live in a migration camp for a year. During that time her father died from the stress. It’s really sad to see what’s happened to Kashmir .
@Chirag Patel funny coming from the religion with a caste system where dalit women are forced into prostitution.
@@RatherA 100% true. I read this from many different first person accounts and biographies. Not a word of it is made up.
@Chirag Patel Quran* 💀
@@abrahmicsupremacist38 Man spitting facts is an IT cell RSS chapp goon ok bro.
Just a simple question, why wasn't any person from pok asked for their opinion on this matter? Like you asked people from Srinagar then why not pok??
I have gone to POK, Gilgit Baltistan, or AJK you can call. It's an autonomous region which means it isn't directly controlled by Pak-Gov. It's more like you can say, Independent...
Most people there are the most pro-Pakistani nationalists I ever met... They would say "We wish we could join Pakistan [Means become a province]...
AJK is more neutral in this matter as about 25% of ppl who I met wanted to remain autonomous while 75% wished for provincial status.
Hey vox
You'll don't mention kashmiri pundits
And, what about pakistani kashmir, no freedom to take cameras over there right?
He missed the real point, the massacre of 237k Kashmiri by radical Hindus in Jummu with the assistance from India and exodus of over 500k to current Azad kashmir and over 100k being killed after 90s and more than 15k r*pe cases against Indian armed forces. The deaths of 209 Kashmiri pandits doesn't hold any weight when the numbers on other side is mammoth. If you go deep you will find how JKLF tried to stop kps and that exodus was planned by center. That's why India doesn't play kp card at UN. I think I'll keep this on copy paste since ever Indian here are like 'muh Kashmiri pandits'
@@buddum5883
After 1990 75k In total including 48k terrorists, 7k Troops and 18k Civilians have Died.
Where are you getting such Figures??
In your Madrassachap?
Dumb.
@@buddum5883 2 lakh ppl killed, wow dude, you are too good with numbers.. Don't get so carried away that it even sounds fake, out of 60 lakhs we have killed half of them.. Well anyone has masacred, it's bengalis in Bangladesh by Pakistan.
@@RitvikChandavarkar do you even know about Jummu massacre and what do we Kashmiris have to do with Bengal? That day won't be far when we will be blamed for holocaust too
@@shashwatshrey9248 denying things is in the blood of Indians. You guys even first denied to accept abinandan was your pilot lmao.
what about people from Jammu and Ladakh, where Hindu and Buddist are in majority? What about Kashmiri Pandits? Why are you presenting only one side?
Stories are only spoken of victors...... No kasmiri pandit left in kashmir to tell stories of gruesome past
Okay but the video is about Kashmir. Not Ladakh or Jammu.
@@vidincrisis that's just an instance
@@dipendrasingh4255 an instance of what?
Because it is the only muslim majority state in India.
Why dint you mention the Kashmir Pandit Exodus ?
The pseudo liberal 'Democratic' aunty, funding Vox along with Economist India, Bloomberg India, Ndtv, Wire, Print and numerous NGOs would be very upset if they did mention the Pandit exodus
The quoted Scroll.in, what did you expect?
they are telling one sided story. its biased
Vox please tell the whole story. Also tell about the kashmiri pandits. All the agony they have been through. And there is no need of a referendum, kashmir is and will be a part of india, and some day pok and aksai chin will also be a part of india. Jai hind
khud kardo jaake mention
Indian Kashmir is a thriving tourist destination, while Pakistani Kashmiris want to flee their country.
You'll never dare to cover the Pundits or interview them or people of POK
For those who are saying " what about the exodus? ". Well even before it, the pundits were a minute percentage of the population. At the time of partition they made up only 6% of the population and continued to reduce due to migration ( becaz of land reforms ). Now the exodus is a whole other debate and i dont see how India can use it to justify the atrocities it is committing in Kashmir. I mean the fact that about 700,000 indian troops are stationed in IOK is a clear sign of human rights being suppressed.
Also its funny how when Pakistan helps the Kashmirs, the term terrorism is used but even though the video clearly shows the atrocities of the Indian Government, it doesn't associate the word terrorism for them ( *sigh* Islamophobia ). The guy who carried out the Palwama attack is a freedom fighter and not a terrorist, like all other kashmiri martyrs.
Noman Rasheed Jesus Christ the salt, aight all of you listen up: Kashmir is In all terms of the word, a rightful part of India. It was given to India by the Prince and even the British agreed upon it. Pakistani people are just jealous due to the fact they’ve lost every war against India and are trying desperately to hold this remnant of territory by the excuse of Muslim martyrs. They even choose to ignore the mass exodus of Hindus in Kashmir and only focus on the Muslim majority. If Kashmir goes to Pakistan, what will happen to the Pundits? They’ll be killed since there is a Hindu phobia in Pakistan.
People could talk about different only in india because india give them freedom of speech in pok they don't even have this right !!!!
@@abdultawab4621 brother i agree that the presence of troops trouble u but believe they are just to protect our country .....and no one can justify the mass murderer of hindu pandits ....so just shut up.
@@ShubhamKumar-dl5gv and what about jammu massacres? can it be justified???
You missed something that's really important. Water.. Kashmir has the source of all water. The Indus..( there was an edit look in the comments )
Thank you for sharing this. After watching the video, I am wondering why India kept on pushing for their claim. Most countries do it for resources but this video failed to point it out.
@@gjsoriano1 He is a stupid, Ganga doesn't flow from Kashmir. Look at the map
@@gjsoriano1 India has historical claim over it. It was a Hindu majority region once but arrival of Islam destroyed everything in Kashmir
@@desiafterdark not 1000...since 23 Millenia BC
Not ganga. Its source is in Gangotri in uttarakhand.
VOX WHY!! Yesterday my group and I presented our project about Kashmir and we needed a video to show to explain everything. this. came. out. eight. hours. ago. OMG WE HAD TO GO WITH SOME TRASH VIDEO. i am crying inside.
Trust me, they made this video with Zero research. Interviewed 4 Kashmiri who has the same views. Indian Army uses pallet guns against stone pelters (Kashmiri who throw stones on soldiers) and the same army saves them from natural disasters. In 2014, India Government refused to take any foreign aid for Flood Disaster in Kashmir and issued $250mn for relief (Relief from other states and private companies not included). India spends 10% of Central Funds (Federal Funds) on Kashmir which has 1% of the population.
Cathrine JP hahaha lol
LMAO... As soon as I saw the truth being reported about the Indian Army brutalization and occupation I knew there would be a comment by an Indian guy who's completely brainwashed by the Indian Media. Indian Media is like Fox News here on steroids. Don't believe me, just ask any Indian about what he thinks about the Rohingya genocide. He'll tell you that the media isn't reporting about Rohingya Muslims killing Rohingya Hindus... :/
These guys are complete idiots.
@@amitgaur9839 In 2014 Indian government refused foreign aid for Kashmir..... Umm how does that show Indian government love for Kashmiris?
@@h4hashir My Dad doesn't have to beg to show how much he loves me. Same way World's 6th largest economy can take care of its citizens and they did.
As the grandson of an Indian soldier, who fought in both the 2nd and the 3rd kashmir, I constantly heard how my grandfather MANY undocumented "war crimes", this war was BRUTAL and brought the worst out of people. Rest In Peace Ajoba . . .
Rip
"I constantly heard how my grandfather MANY undocumented "war crimes""
What are you saying?
He committed many war crimes? Or witnessed or faced many? You left out the key word.
@@kirikcritic3769exactly… he left me so much confused
The British to everyone else: y’all have great stuff in your countries so we getting in on it. Years later: umm so we are broke & can’t run this place anymore so here’s a nice line, sort yourselves out.
Also the British: “Too many foreigners coming to our kingdom, getting our jobs, why can’t they stay in their countries and sort out their own problems! Brexit please!..
Here's a real british intake on this. I am open to foreigners coming into the UK if we adopt the system where only imports of skilled workers are allowed in. Economists suggest that if people were able to move and live anywhere they wanted to, the global GDP would be DOUBLE. Multiculturalism isn't bad, personally i just don't like Islam i don't like the religion and i wouldn't have an issue with the people if they didnt bring their religion. I have no issue with people of other ethnicities, hence even the first Briton to set soil on UK soils was supposed to be brown - scientists claim
As for the second point, that's your standard right wing white patriots that are conservative and are traditionists they feel scared to the feeling of change in this rapidly changing world
@@AlphaUk Christiand when colonising different countries made it an obligation to introduce Christian principles... That's how it works. When we believe if something is right, we would like to spread it to the others.
Also, well said @Chisha Musonda
They're getting a taste of their own medicine and they're finding it bitter.
Zahra that’s history for you, Also how are we finding it bitter, we still live a high quality lifestyle way above any middle eastern country
@@AlphaUk then stop complaining, will you?
No mention of exodus of Kashmiri People which state they belong?Crackdown on the protesters is due to stone petlling activity.
Rooman WOW. State policy. Leaving some, most of them are false reports.
@@Arinzee bro you really need God's help
so stone pelting justifies half a million soldiers with unchecked powers, careful if they brought slings you might have to nuke them
@@mahadnaseeramer yeah. If they are helping terrorist by pelting stones on security forces actually they deserve to be shot at site but army is professional
There is a sea of evidence proving gross human right violations by the Indian Armed Forces in Kashmir.
You didn't mention anything about very important part of J&K, kashmiri pandits and torture of them.
I believe you will get it.
Exactly my point. How are people ignoring the fact that the king of Kashmir was a Hindu coz there were no Muslim when the Kingdom of Kashmir was made.
@@aruji-sama get the facts right
@@universal1079 I am really sorry, I didn't make myself clear. Of course you are right my statement is partially not correct. As Kashmir was ruled by the mughals for 5 centuries, who introduced Islam to the Hindu and Buddhist population by some not so peaceful means. Did I get my facts right ?
@@aruji-sama people of India converted from Hindus to Muslims and indirectly people belong here. It's not Muslims it's Hindus who changed their religion |
They are not worth talking about
I'm a kashmiri but it's very adventurous to live there but India is heart'
That whole area isn't even kashmir....so much history missing,from both India and Pakistan point of view
It’s 2 wars won by Pakistan, 1 by india
@@jimk4213 No Pakistan army strong, wow grape
Neither of the replies above makes any sense to me...
@@jimk4213 ummm. No. All of the wars were won by India. Just stating facts. UN was the one to intervene India’s advances. And all these times, Pakistan was the one to start the conflict
@@jimk4213 Was it Sarcasm??
Great to see that Vox didn't include the mass exodus of Kashmir Pandits in this video. As a Kashmiri Pandit myself who was forced to leave my home due to the religious persecution, I am very disappointed by Vox. Why are you hiding this fact in this video ?
I am unsubscribing this channel today.
2 wars won by Pakistan, 1 by india so you should also cry
@@jimk4213 get your facts right India never lost a war to Pakistan India lost a war to China
Which genocide of hindis was done ???
1948 Jammu Genocide of Kashmiri Muslims?
not persecution but you abandoned your land .....not more than thousand pandits died and look out in history it wasn't persecution but mass flee with govt support so govt could massacre people which they did after the moment you left this nation..how is it possible that 2 lakh people would leave in one night and even their neighbours wont notice there fleeing....but still no borders have been closed why don't you return....you wont because there is chaos and oppression everywhere .....
Wow. ....you cleverly ignore the 1992 Kashmiri pandits situation ...carry on vox
@@ahmedbilal5554 where are you getting these Imaginary numbers from?
@@ahmedbilal5554 wow what your media (military controlled) is feeding u
@@ahmedbilal5554 and currently pakistan is making a genocide in Balochistan so yeh think bout it
@@prateeksharma6706 why do you indian like to say "military controlled"? What's that supposed to mean? Do you feel western when you say that?
@@Goku-km2lk from where you got to know about the kashmiri pandits
Britain's watching this conflict while eating pizza👍
What about Kashmiri pandit exodus!? That was also a major reason for war and radical Islam in the region..
Correct. This video is half truth which only covers the overview of the issues. You can't have a referendum at a place where the demographic was drastically changed.
But who forced the exodus? That's what the video is showing. It's a vicious cycle. The exodus was a by-product of the hatred. Kashmiri pundits is a minority in the region.
316 kashmiri Hindus were killed but since then 5 lakh kashmiri's were killed by your brave forces
no one is gonna watch thounds of their people.
Idhar bhi Hindu-Muslim
Just a note
All these kashmiri interviews are taking place in indian Kashmir , as Pakistan occupied Kashmir doesn't allow any reporting
Nothing happens to Kashmiris in Pakistan becuz we don’t have a governmnet who hate us
A classic 'Mine is mine yours is negotiable' trap. In that sense Pakistan is controlling the narrative better.
Very good point!
What? That is just not true, there are many reporters coming in here.
@@mobeenkhan824 in pok??
It's also important to note that "kashmir" also includes Jammu and ladakh who aren't Kashmiris and have nothing to do with them. Ladakh is Buddhist while Jammu is hindu. I'm a Jammu dogra and it'd be better if jammu and kashmir get separated from each other. Jammu needs to become it's own state , we aren't kashmiri 🇮🇳
so basically jammu and ladakh wants to be always indian
@@skeptic2561 yup Kashmir has separatism because they're muslim, while we aren't
@@lilmuffin9253 i had heard thet indian army tortures kashmiris and i have heard opposite of it also
what is true??
@@skeptic2561 some instances may exist of power imbalance but no
Indian army brutality is in opposition of the separatism and Terrorism
I am also a dogra
As a kashmiri i can say its all true. My 14 year old friend was killed in protest in 2016.
Mcgonagall : Why is it that in every dispute and war in modern history, it is always you two?
United States
Brits
+ France
lol
True
Russia?
Brits : (whispering) "I'm proud of you, son"
You did not highlight how Kashimiri Pandits were forced out of their own place.
I'm sure there must be a lot of things happening. Not everything can be highlighted in this short documentary.
@@shreyassukumaran9881 That's the most violent genocide in the modern history.
@@shubhamsagarsingh9451 Thousands of Jammu muslims were killed before that. Why isn't that the worst genocide
@@nuclearbug5797 When did that happen?
Don't talk in the air.
@subham saghar singh YOU don't talk in the air
Let me grab my popcorn and watch the comments
🍿🍿🍿 incase u finished ur popcorn... Heres more 😂😂
India to Pakistan: UP YOURS ----> chain reaction starts
Comments don't matter, count down to nuke day.
Altamish Tahir As as Kashmiri, even though the video is not biased it certainly leaves out a lot, The massacre of Muslims in Jammu in 1948, the slow separatist movement in the second half of the 1900's, the rigged 1987 elections, the kashmiri Pandit killings, a lot of what happened during 90's and early 2000's.
Same here. 😂😂😂
Kashmir is named after Rishi (sage) Kashyapa. It's population was a Hindu population, and it would still have had a strong Hindu population, known as Kashmiri Pandits (scholars) if not for the Islamist t3rr0rists who have committed genocide of the worst possible kind, including on women and children. What is left is a Muslim majority population who are now calling themselves as Kashmiris and asking for independence, but what about the Kashmiri Pandits who want to get back to their homes but cannot because of the very same people who are claiming to be victims?
So you're saying Kashmir used to be hindu majority before 1990?
Sometimes Vox is like : Guys, let's talk about why cats always lands on it's feet.
And then, The conflict of Kashmir.
The topic lines up.
At least cat lands on it's feet. Indians pilots land on their faces.
raki games woah woah amigo. Burned.
raki games thats why we have won every war with Pakistan 😏
The videos are from different series (Vox Darkroom => Cat Video, Vox Atlas => Kashmir Video). They don't need to line up. I think it's refreshing that not every video is similar - you can skip videos you don't like :-)
@@rakigames173 yeah...and a Soviet era jet can destroy a modern f 16 jet...
It's jammu & kashmir not just a kashmir!
Lol your name
The main problem is Nehru is not mentioned.. 🍊
@@hii.o congress have wiped off their names from many atrocities in India's history
Kashmir is the actual name of the kingdom that existed before pakistan occupation, no one talks about the time when Kashmir was an independent kingdom even after indian and pak's independence, it was only when pakistani tribes attacked Kashmir that Kashmir's king hari sing gave partial powers of the kingdom to india. And Jammu isn't disputed, jammu is mostly dominated by Hindus and thus pakistan isn't much interested in it.
@@fan6205 its Kashmira .. we will get everything about it in Raj-Tarangini by Kalahana .. 🍊
Vox started from 3 countries but explained only 2, which means something is missing.
he cant go to china and interview people lol
@@InderjitSingh12 in that part of Kashmir under China mostly nobody live.
china's not as involved as india & pakistan are
@@FirstNameLastName-qt2hz Yeah but Vox could said little bit more about China involvement, for this problem it significant.
Inderjit Singh nobody live in Aksai Chin.
There is no description od kashmiri hindu genocide 1990 ???
Can anyone tell me why ???
How shamelessly British made people from same subcontinent fight with each other after exploiting nation for hundreds of years
As opposed to the previous exploitation by rulers and empires prior to the British arriving? Gotcha
@@user-nf5ye4vn7z i know right, the British were the first to unite the subcontinent in the last couple thousands of years (if you believe the stories of the ancient kingdom that untied all of india Pakistan and Bangladesh) before the British it was all small kingdoms and tribes not at all a United country, and then people blame the British for dividing the country when they forcefully united it? Don't get me wrong the British did some horrible stuff in India but it's ridiculous to blame it on them
@@shlomoshlomo963 that’s the problem. Don’t touch what doesn’t need to be touched. when you mess up something wars start
Did the British had learned their lesson or two in Israel, N. Ireland and Cyprus?
Nope!!!! 🤑🤪
Vox should also tell Pakistan was supported by USA in those wars supplying weapons...
usa imposed arms embargo on Pakistan in 65 war while India was being resupplied by USSR. It only gave its moral support during 71. What history you talking about O.o
@@usmantahir8690 you really know history 😂😂
@@usmantahir8690 1971...USSR, Israel, and India Vs Saudi, UK, Argentina, Pakistan, china and more😅
@@usmantahir8690 Bangladesh was part of Pakistan in the past... There were two Pakistan..east Pakistan and west Pakistan...west Pakistan was making progress and east was ignored by the West Pakistan..people of East Pakistan (Bangladesh) were oppressed, beaten and controlled. People of East Pakistan started to illegally migrate India because of the oppression many Hindus also fled from the east Pakistan ...Indira Gandhi (prime minister of India) wrote to American officials regarding the issue.. India was already suffering from poverty and more and more people kept coming and it was getting hard to control economy and other issues...during this time there were talks about communism within the borders of east Pakistan...which troubled USA because they were already at Cold War with USSR, they were worried about rising communism in the Asian region...as the basic psychology goes... Democratic countries have strong ties with other democratic countries, Communist with communist, Muslims with Muslims..
Pakistan was backed by China....India could have taken help from America but geographically it's too far to send backup if war broke out any moment....so Indira Gandhi send a message to USSR officials regarding the situation....Indo-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation. The Indo-Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation was a treaty signed between India and the Soviet Union in August 1971 that specified mutual strategic cooperation (according to this treaty if any of the two countries get attacked by other countries then the second country will come to help the first country. ) India hoped that USSR will help but India wasn't sure if they will get involved to help India....so Indian government decided that they will fight alone.. As there was no choice....USA got the Intel about USSR and India's conversations and friendliness so they decided to support Pakistan and used their influence and told other countries to attack India to help Pakistan (Countries I mentioned above)...USSR got the Intel about USA's move against India and came to aid India as India was there ally and friend and also the largest importer of USSR weapons..all countries send their naval Forces towards India and so did USSR....other countries didn't knew that USSR was coming to help India with planes, ships and submarines loaded with nuclear weapons ...USSR gave open warning to every other country that if Single artillery hits the Indian soil be prepared to drown, USSR gave threat to China too even though they were both communist...all countries turned back as everyone knew how powerful USSR was and won't hesitate to use nuclear weapons if needed.....and so the war was just fought between India and Pakistan (USSR didn't interfere between them as they believe it was a conflict between two nations but was prepared to help if someone else came in against India) ....
Pakistan was helped by USA..they were supplied with weaponry and other stuff..USSR provided weapons to India
And Israel provided sensitive Intel and satellite imagery for strategic advantage as Israel too has troubled neighbors and Jews were never discriminated in India and Judaism has existed in India for last 2000 years so they felt special connection with India..
and india was supported by soviet union
Lol, the fact that you cannot even enter Pakistan occupied Kashmir or China occupied Kashmir tells a lot more.
It's India Occupied Kashmir.
Pakistan Administered Kashmir
China Administered Kashmir
@@cp12298 its pakistan occupied kashmir , china occupied kashmir
@@cp12298 Kashmir is an Indian state which was invaded by China and Pakistan, so...
@@tankman7347 coming next -> china occupied pakistan as a monopoly after debt crisis -> india having border tensions from all sides
@@cp12298 Kashmir is occupied by China and it's slave terrorist Pakistan
Jammu and Kashmir was
Jammu and Kashmir is
Jammu and Kashmir will remain
An integral part of India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Dream on blud
7:23 : Pakistani paramilitary forces (not Muslim militants) intruded in Kargil.
Both are same
They purposely seem to ignore the right wordings whenever possible.
India deserves it because Kashmir only has 20% Hindus but is under control of India. Where the current government discriminates against Muslims.
@@legstitchedtigerftw2455 so of whole india become muslim majority will it be Pakistan
@@legstitchedtigerftw2455 bruhh what about the kahmiri Pandits then the majority of them were killed in the homicide conducted in the muslim majority kashmir smh
It should be 20% hindus left because the rest were just cleaned off like a stain
@4:35 I think this is the most valid point. Kashmir is being labelled to a territorial dispute. It's much bigger than that. Not just a piece of land. People living there are suffering. The environment and ecology are suffering (floods and landslides). The focus should be on improving and developing Kashmir which can only come from peace. All three sides should take a hit on the ego and focus on future and betterment of Kashmir rather than control over Kashmir.
The situation is very complex and has convoluted into such a big political mess that it cannot be solved going on the same path. Only through empathy and understanding and a change of mindset of the leadership can solve this.
I don't understand why india wants the land, it is providing very little economic benefit and majority of the population is Muslims who are tied with pakistan just hand it over peacefully
@@rayaankhan3834 just because the population is Muslim majority it doesn't mean that they want to be with Pakistan.
Very rare to find people with some wisdom!
Thanks for understanding and being courteous!
@@AdityaKar That might be true except the majority of war crimes and mass killings on innocent Kashmiris have been conducted by the Indian military. This might be the reason as to why they're so opposed to a referendum, as Kashmiris would almost certainly not vote for India in the current situation.
islam: the religion of peace.
...that never allows it with others
Talk about British colonialism. They split the region into two parts for a reason. This kind of separation maneuver is very common to stunt the growth of the former colonized region. I am Indonesian and the Dutch was using the same maneuver to our Western Papua. Thank God we have prominent leader back then, Sukarno, and the support of USA government under JF Kennedy. May the conflict in Kashmir soon be solved peacefully. War only brings destruction and more conflict, and more income to the arms dealer or any interested parties, which eventually will promote more conflict. Vicious cycle indeed.
we had all the resources to become one country but Islam came in the middle
The reason was to prevent a feared civil war between the two religious groups, which was a very real threat. If they wanted to divide and weaken, why make India so much bigger than Pakistan? I'm not saying it was a perfect plan, it was very flawed, but doing nothing was not an alternative unless you wanted possibly even more bloodshed.
@@Croz89 India is much bigger because it had a much larger population. Hundreds of millions of Muslims also chose India. Plus, all those Civil Wars were a result of British colonialism only. Vox has released another video, explaining the divide and rule policy. It is a well detailed and illustrated video. Give it a watch
@@NG-nf2mz My point was partition (and partition specifically) wasn't done with the intent to weaken ex-colonial powers on the Brits left (if so it clearly hasn't been very successful!). As you said they India is bigger because of population and religious issues. Yes, you can argue the civil wars would not have happened if the Brits hadn't spent decades stoking religious tensions for divide and rule in the past, but what's done is done and we need to look at the options they had at that current point in time. Do nothing, high likelihood of a civil war. Partition, still a high likelihood of conflict. It was a choice between two bad options. The question is which one was worse than the other. Perhaps if partition had been done better (maybe go the Kosovo route and make Kashmir an independent state) things would have been a lot less bloody. We'll never know.
@@Croz89 The Brits weren't malicious, just negligent. Once they decided (or were persuaded) to leave they lost interest in their former colonies and washed their hands of them, resulting in conflict and chaos.
Thanks!!
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