The conflict in Kashmir, explained
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
- Why Kashmir remains one of the most militarized regions in the world.
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The dispute between India and Pakistan over Kashmir is one of the longest running conflicts. Ever since Britain left India in 1947 and hastily drew borders demarcating a Hindu-majority India and a Muslim-majority Pakistan, Kashmir, located right between the two, has been fervently claimed by both nations.
India and Pakistan’s first war was fought over Kashmir’s status as the the newly independent countries were being formed. After over a year of bloody conflict the UN stepped in and brokered a ceasefire that drew a line down the middle of Kashmir and gave a portion of the territory to India and the remainder to Pakistan. This arrangement was meant to be temporary. Once the violence settled a vote was to be held that would allow Kashmiris to decide their own future.
But more than 70 years later, Kashmiris have yet to vote on their status. They remain stuck between two nuclear nations locked in a dangerous conflict with no end in sight.
Additional reading and sources on the conflict:
[BBC Timeline]
www.bbc.com/news/world-south-...
[UN report - Human Rights in Kashmir] www.ohchr.org/Documents/Count...
[CFR Conflict Tracker]
www.cfr.org/interactive/globa...
[Freedom House Report]
freedomhouse.org/report/freed...
Special thanks to Kashmiris who shared their opinions with us:
Aqib Salam
Aarif Shah
Aijaz Ganaie
Injilla Sidiq
Sadaf Zehra
Mian Tufail
Mehak Dhaar
Rehan
Rihana Maqbool
Waqas Khan
Sajid Yousuf
Tariq Bashir
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The latest crisis between India and Pakistan over Kashmir comes as India’s Hindu nationalist government has revoked Article 370 of India’s Constitution, which had for decades afforded the Muslim-majority state of Jammu and Kashmir - India’s side of Kashmir - substantial autonomy over its own affairs.
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Well because it isn't happening now days, kashmiri pundits are one of the most successful people In India
@@saadrizvi6630 there are no atrocities now on kashmiri pandits but they were humiliated once brutally do you deny that
@@mangeshghaisas606 of course their exodus was barbaric and unwanted, it was a huge lass for kashmir, but brutal no way, if you have seen the atrocities of Japanese during world War, that is something I would call brutal
Can I upload this video on my Channel?
@@saadrizvi6630 if I ask u to get lost from ur home and leave ur women and children behind would u be happy and excited about it or would u call it halala and say that allah asks for it?
Stop acting like a fool God is watching u man and he will not have any mercy if u dont have any for fellow humans.
How many border problems u want to create?
British: yes
Add USA!
@@subhamrammishra7110 they r kids comparing to British
Gobi GobiNath *used to
@@shubbyshabaas it's not my native language. But I think it's correct.
you mean chacha nehru
I'm binge watching so many videos related to border disputes and wars. And the root of every problem ? Yes. that's Britain.
true its great to blame Britain for other peoples own personal choices lololololol (btw not British I'm American)
@@sujiths4949 I have 🤦♂️. And I’ve read of everything Britain and America’s empires have done… doesn’t excuse modern day peoples own personal choices does it
@@goonsdoona2979 Yes blaming is easy
Or US or Russia.
USA is modern day Britain
Something you missed was the Kashmiri Hindu Genocide. After ‘87, the group of radicals started targeting Kashmiri Hindus. There were a lot of Hindus that lived in Kashmir. They had to run for their lives. A lot of them settled in Jammu. The stories/accounts of these events are horrific. Hence, this worsened the situation for rest of the Muslims. The hope for Peace was lost as Indian state retaliated similarly with giving more powers to military in that area. Also the Indian Kashmiri Politicians played popularism and promoted Radical Ideology while their family lived on Indian Govt’s money and their children settled in abroad.
Kashmiri Hindus? You mean Transmigrants from Indian territory to Kashmir region?
@@theodesfael kahmiri hindus are not transmigrants, they are ethnically kashmiris, stop peddling lies.
@@pramit8903 only a minority or community. not as big as the transmigrants from India who changed the demography in Kashmir since the Indian Occupation of Kashmir
@Ayronical They have a lot of influence on your country. That's a fact.
@@theodesfael Kashmir itself belongs to india, Islamists are the immigrants
I like how they completely ignored the Kashmiri Pandit genocide 😄
Who cares about this😂
@@KyojuroRengoku98chuslim😂
@@KyojuroRengoku98why ? Why we can't care about them is the life of the kashmiri pandits and Kashmiri sufi has no velue , who talking about genocide of kashmiri pandits and Kashmiri sufi Muslim , by wahabis and Tablighi jamati terrorist
@@KyojuroRengoku98brother, are you sure you watched the video?
Genocide of 280 people dying?
This will keep happening until someone discovers OIL in Kashmir
*AMERICAN ANTHEM INTENSIFIES*
Wouldn't that make the conflict more intense? And also suddenly America will be interested in the affair too.
You guys know America is self sufficient on oil, right?
But their greed overpowers it
@@renjoh but like who doesn't want more oil right
I really love all of Vox videos but they have missed out on some important points here.
1. No mention of Kashmiri Pandits/Hindus.
2. No opinions of people from other areas of Jammu and Ladakh which were also part of the "Hindu Monarch's" territory.
3. No opinions of people from Pakistan occupied Kashmir and Chinese part of Kashmir (Aksai Chin).
4. No mention of Racism in Kashmir against Indians and its role in secessionist movement.
This would only have been a well rounded piece if all these things were also included. This video only seems a little lazy.
I hope I provided some constructive criticism and have been of some help.
Aksai Chin.. (OCCUPIED BY CHINA) Has almost no population.. Its a barren piece of rock and mountains.
People in Jammu are not Facing suppression.
Kashmiri Pandits were not Rehabilitated properly by the Indian Govt and are still being used as a political tool by the Political Parties.
Everywhere in Jammu and Kaashmir except Parts of Kashmir Valley.. There is full freedom.
Parts of Kashmir Valley are run as per the Draconian AFSPA and SOG is allowed to conduct ops as per their will.
Thia has been counter productive.
As many innocents have been degraded or have disappeared.
So all the problem lies with that part of Kashmir only. And even most parts of Ladakh didnt want article 370 removed, it was done forcefully.
Our pro India Leaders were arrested and put under detention.
For the record. I am pro India..and I am an Indian.
But there is a way of doing things.. And our Govt has failed to realise it.
Also Pakistan is not an effective democracy either..
Are you surprised???
Tanmay Bhakta you know how many women were r@ped every year in india?
@@presidentjiang6762 bot spotted
@@darkgenius758 how is he a bot he can reply
I like how basically every century old conflict generally boils down to how the british left its colonies in utter chaos
It’s funny to watch western media coverage on Kashmir
why? is this wrong or something?
Why
@@TheAtomicA Everyone also ignores what happened to thousands of muslims from Jammu in 1947
@@Gyubear304 Yeah, the massacres in Rajouri by the princely state are horrible. Just like the massacres of shias in Muzaffarbad and Buddhists in Baltistan. All people groups in J&K have suffered tremendously
@@Naveen-tq7cg it was not only Rajouri...
Talking about Kashmires without even mentioning kashmiri pandits and their exodus of 1990?
Lol, that never happened.
@@ammarshah2366 Read history
@@khosrowanushirwan7591 The exodus of pandits from which Kashmir are you talking about? Because it's already in three parts. One to Pakistan and one to China.
@@ammarshah2366future will be interesting..
its not an Exodus, its Genocide
British logic: cutting down trees to write books about saving trees
Very powerful word
Lol but 1 thing I want to tell... It's PRONOUNCED KAHSHMIR NOT CASH MEER
Wait that's how the world works right now
exactly lol
Do u play krunker kof97?
What a journalism!!!
Kashmiris who shared their opinions with vox:
Aqib Salam
Aarif Shah
Aijaz Ganaie
Injilla Sidiq
Sadaf Zehra
Mian Tufail
Mehak Dhaar
Rehan
Rihana Maqbool
Waqas Khan
Sajid Yousuf
Tariq Bashir
fr
this is so true
its a 95 percent Muslim majority region, who else did u expect
@@umerbsrohh you are right because they already killed Kashmiri pandits so not a wonder 😢
in India they can take interview form this side of kashmir
but what about the other side?
There is nothing on the other side ! Kashmiri pandith Genocide is equalled by GAW KADAL , HABA KADAL genocide & Genocide of muslims in jammu on 1947 & thounds of killings & rapes by indian troops since 1990 especially in 1990 , 2016 , 2010
I was wondering about this, what about the Pakistani side?
Pakistan Kashmiri people are free and they are living peaceful life not like India . Have you ever heard that Pakistani army killed any Kashmiri in Azad Kashmir. Azad Kashmir is most peaceful & Pakistan most visiting tourist place now a days.
Pakistan occupied Kashmir is much peaceful have you ever heard about any killing by Pakistan army in AJK just like jummu Kashmir.
@@traveltodaywithtanveer9078 Pakistan is a military-dictatorship...I doubt anyone is heard.
If there is a problem and war, there are British before.
Actually, no. The Brits tried their best to leave the subcontinent with as little conflict as possible. The main reason is the hate between hindus and muslims.
As a Chinese, I highly relate...
@@harshkulshrestha9440 Well, Actually there the one who sow the seeds of seperatism in India through morley-minto reforms.
@@harshkulshrestha9440 and the toxic hate between hindu and Muslims is only bc of british's divide and rule policies. plus British did not do its best to leave with little conflict as possible. they just randomly drew lines on a map and called it india and pakistan. the division of india wasn't in any religious or politically inclined-regions basis. i think u need to research more on indian history
@@harshkulshrestha9440 correct!
Vox forgot to mension the fact that:-
All this would never have happened if the British never divided the country on religious basis.
@Meena Khandelia noo man you are scaaring him
/s
yeah, but if britain didnt split... there would be a war in 1979 between muslims and hindus.
@Meena Khandelia more death
But still war would still happen
@Fail Zero ya like u ppl where never responsible for such conflicts. come too my country india look at the bound between our muslim and hindu brothers your divide and concor policy has lead to such problems
I am from jammu and Kashmir and i know plenty of people who support Pakistan and India.
If we ask them why you want to join with Pakistan the only answer I get is that we are muslim and those who support Indian the only valid answer from their side is that we are born in India thats why we are Indian...
Poeple of kashmir want to join Pakistan because they see themselves as Muslims not Indians that's the real reason ...i know 16-17 years old boy throwing stones...
Do you think 17 year old boy can differentiate between right and wrong...
Poeple manipulate them in name of religion..
Now everyone wants to leave Pakistan, no food, hyperinflation, military controls all the jobs, bombings of Sunni and military does not pay taxes on land and other stuff.
Yes that’s literally an age of maturity
Even eight year old boy support Pakistan
They are ryt who's saying they're born in India and that's ryt
17 year old is pretty old enough lol.
You left out the kashmiri pandit exodus where there they were forced out of their own homes for not agreeing to convert to Islam.
"When you snatch pens from youth, you are forcing them to pick up guns."
Those words have a lot of truth and impact behind them.
ziqi92 Nope just shows cultural mentality. Gandhi was kicked, punched, humiliated and in return he picked up non-violence.
Usama bin Laden was an engineer
Thanks for the one-off examples.. Are you somehow presenting them as an argument saying that not giving the youth education is fine? That they go to war because they intrinsically like it? The phrase is about the young being forced to be military resources instead of intelectual power - to serve a war that they didn’t choose to be in. Stop with your out of context and nonsense examples.
And what about Kashmiri Hindus???
Kashmir is not belongs only to some Sunni Muslim
@@seidenada526 so you think that those people speaking almost perfect english in this video are illiterate? You think Kashmiris don't get education? Get your facts right .
Today British are enjoying these conflicts with a cup of tea...
@More On Charvaka quite relatable...
@@jatinchauhan1880 thats not true we gave you back your nations from overwhelming public pressure take some responisibilty for your own hatred and short-comings
@@davidwilliams658 well I am not a fool. I know my country' s history so don't teach me what is right...
@@davidwilliams658 you gave us our nation but not in one piece you broke it to many pieces divide and rule was always your methodology and because of that the current situation is like this in kashmir
@@adarshmishra2435like i said in my post take some responsibility for your own problems
Im watching this as I conclude my 30 yr long awaited visit to Kashmir. Its beautiful, its people are noble, the conflict pains me. I truly pray it heals all wounds and a resolution is reached.
As the grandson of an Indian soldier, who fought in both the 2nd and the 3rd kashmir, I constantly heard how my grandfather MANY undocumented "war crimes", this war was BRUTAL and brought the worst out of people. Rest In Peace Ajoba . . .
Rip
"I constantly heard how my grandfather MANY undocumented "war crimes""
What are you saying?
He committed many war crimes? Or witnessed or faced many? You left out the key word.
@@kirikcritic3769exactly… he left me so much confused
Meanwhile the British people watching this video be like... omg what have my ancestors done😂
British people answering themselves: what we have done.
humans feel shame and regret, british don't
What should we have done? Killed them all? Fought wars against the natives rather than choose the path of peace? The problem started upon independence.
@@TheSm1thers The hasty decision of dividing a country caused this massive problem which was done by British.
British are still planning about Brexit matters for years but divided a country within months by calling a man who had never stepped in this region ever !!
@@peace163 What problem? The 'country' was already divided, only kept together by effective administration. Dividing it into India and Pakistan was the best way to limit the problems of a withdrawal. Anything that happened after must be attributed to the locals, who could've just chosen to live in peace rather than committing genocide against one another.
The video is missing the geopolitical value: Water.
The area is where the rivers Jhelum and Chenab (that feed the Indus) start. Whoever controls the area, controls the flow of water.
edit: one of my best comments
So that makes sense in that they keep suppressing the Kashmiri vote. Either nation doesn't want Kashmir to be independent. I think the voices of the citizens say it best, they know that the fight is not about them, but the land.
@meow it matters more because if Pakistan occupies Kashmir they will have a strategic advantage in attacking India. Right now the mountains block them. Indians don't trust the Pakistanis enough to allow them to attack us so easily if they chose to
Thanks Hassan. I was waiting for this part and it never came.
Geopolitical or not. The factor that people need to die over it when theyre not involved is bullshit. But at the sametime prevent china from any gains. They should be working together against china since china is trying to push as much as possible on geopolitical positions. That's why they wanna do the new china belt way to help their millitary move faster through other countries.
Iirc, the etymology of the name Kashmir has the word water in it.
My family has a family friend whoes borther is in the indian millitary. Some of those soldiers that were killed were friends of his. Its still hurts him to this day :(
Just a simple question, why wasn't any person from pok asked for their opinion on this matter? Like you asked people from Srinagar then why not pok??
I have gone to POK, Gilgit Baltistan, or AJK you can call. It's an autonomous region which means it isn't directly controlled by Pak-Gov. It's more like you can say, Independent...
Most people there are the most pro-Pakistani nationalists I ever met... They would say "We wish we could join Pakistan [Means become a province]...
AJK is more neutral in this matter as about 25% of ppl who I met wanted to remain autonomous while 75% wished for provincial status.
Well made video. But two things Vox missed, which would have helped the video : 1) Exodus of Kashmiri Hindus. 2) Reaction of people from the Pakistani Occupied Kashmir
POK people Missing because, interview was in English
3) there was no violence in Kashmir until the Soviet Union left Afghanistan in 1991 and left the Pakistan mujahadeen unemployed
@@nik007delta Oh only you are factually wrong the violence had only started in late 1989.
1. Pakistani side of kashmir is much more peaceful
2 yes vox missed kulbushan yadav, samjhota express, mqm etc...
@@awesomefj If true and documented, then should be included, yes.
The Interesting thing is that Kashmir is just 20% of India's Jammu and Kashmir.
People tend to ignore Jammu and Ladakh.
This ignorance makes this conflict more complex.
Mr HT
Why not just hold a referendum? Everything will sort out..
@@qadwani4327 It will happen after curing the Islamic State problem.
When their slogan will become secular including Kashmiri Hindu.😇
pakistan has to take out their army from POK but pakistan refused to take its troops
Suhani Pant
Same as India in IOK
Suhani Pant Pakistan doesn’t have as much troops in Kashmir than India
What a propoganda you are running you didn't mention about kashimiri Pandit Genocide and Exodus from kashmir and one more thing kashmir is an integral and inalienebale part of India.Indian Govt is always sensitive to the people of Kashmir due to terrorist groups backed by Pakistan state Kashmiri people faced a lot of problems.After abrogation of 370 Kashmir is heading towards peace, stability and development.
literally no where they included Kashmiri Pandits' account or their interview, SMH!!!!!!
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Lol spot on
Best till now , everyone in here arguing about India and pakistan but none here talking about the original creater of the conflict
Always blame the British. Pakistan and India didn't hold a vote on Kashmir how can the British be blamed for that?
I don't support colonisation or British mistakes in India.
Don't be ridiculous. Partition was cooked up by Jinnah and Nehru. Britain had no choice.
@@Alan_Mac Well Britain was asked by the Muslims to do this
I like how you always say a war broke out but never mention who attacked whom
doesnt want to be islamaphobic
This is the problem with left leaning people ,they always try to censor stuff
@@surqula1243 did Pakistan start most of them or something
@@Luke_05 not only attacks they are also responsible for terrorism in India ….2008 terror attack and many more….actually Pakistan attacked( actually a genocide) India the first day they became independent… the direct action day or the Calcutta killings when Bangladesh was a part of Pakistan and they even wanted capture Kolkata
@@Luke_05 yeah even in 1999 war india didn't go beyond the loc of Pakistan to their land
But you never mentioned how Kashmor Pandit were driven out from Kashmir.
Like muslims were killed in Jammu in 1947
Like muslims were killed in jammu in 1947
Thanks for putting full captions on these :)
Kashmir is not the whole area of J&K, it include Jammu province, Kashmir province and Ladakh region. Now it is divided into two union territories UT of J&K and UT of Ladakh.
Ladhakis are brave people. I have read about Chewang Rinchen
@@coolwinds1585 sight majority of them are Shia and rest are buddist and hindu
@DavetheSlave it was independent until Pak attacked. And the former monarch signed treaty with India.
@@ojhamridul2552 and do you know why pak invaded???? There was a monarch backed masaccre happened in jammu where 100000 kashmiris where killed that's why pak invaded or else that guy would've wiped entire Kashmir muslim population
@@pingpong1465 Best wishes for your history classes. Oh sorry it seems political classes because what you typed has no relevance to reality.
Its your choice to dig some books to learn something or be a part of blunt propoganda. Hope your messiah would approve whatever you passing here.
The British were kicked out of India after many many conflicts and political struggles. They didn't just 'decide' to leave.
They were never kicked out they chose to leave cause of ww2 financial crisis & nothing was much left in india to loot.
If it was in Indian's power to kick out the British there wouldn't have been a Pakistan. So British decided themselves to leave because they were bankrupt by the war.
@@rajendrakumarsrivastavaa9899 nah they were still adamant to rule. They ran after navy mutiny and India's growing demand for freedom and self rule. They got the idea it will be harder for them to manage this nation now. Our freedom fighters done a lot.
@@manvendrasinghchauhan1904 don't you know what happened with England after ww2 , the whole world knows about Churchill scandal bruhh & other reason was indian national army was under netaji bose.....that caused the uproar & nothing much was left to loot, give five minute of your time & think about what they could have looted, cause there was nothing much left & then they left last scar of dividing india.
@@rajendrakumarsrivastavaa9899 revenue from taxes, still india was market to them for their goods, cheap labour and raw materials. I know that was war time still they would have profited. Their were countries that were liberated till 1970 and more.
This video is missing few points, there is no mention of the Ladakhis, the Jammu people and the Pakistan side of Kashmir.
It's funny how, even though the video seems to portray a neutral point of view on this conflict, only the muslim voices heard, only muslim pov is shown here. They have completely ignored the Kashmiri Pandit genocide that killed hundreds of hindus and the only alternative was to flee.
Even if they did, 97% of Kashmiris are Muslims, only 3% are Hindus so it belongs to Pakistan right fully
@@HDX12-Pakistan itself belongs to India rightfully!
As a Kashmiri, I feel for the lad that comes in the end and says he can't achieve his dreams because of this geo politics. Also, this video is incomplete without the mention of the exodus of Kashmiri Pandits.
Neet
Exactly! Am not a Kashmiri but there's more to it than this!
Pakistan might have funded the terroriststuff but atleast this way Kashmiris supports Pakistan,Pakistan Zindabad
@Taznaz Z is that even true???!??
@@yaeheal2570 nope
The video only touches on obvious points and misses on 2 major points, I think.
1) The water problem. The region is the birthplace of all the major rivers flowing across the two nations. Whoever controls Kashmir, controls the water supply. The water is especially important for Pakistan, which accounts for a major amount of its irrigation supply.
2) The Kashmiri Pandits. The insurgency of 90s made a large number of hindus leave Kashmir. The refugees are still not able to settle in Kashmir since then.
It's not about water first of all . It's about China's aggression against India since forever and Pakistan is used as a tool and religion a way to recruit soldiers .
Earlier it was supported by USA and pushed by CIA but back then Russia supported India so CIA backed off and India was also not very strong .
Today India has a strong market and Modi is tough when it comes to national dealings so USA supported India first time as India kept saying no to preesure from USA regarding trade .
Plus India also always had good relations in the middle East with all countries and regimes so here Pakistan got no support from OIC .
Even in UN India got support . Only countries to oppose it were Pakistan and China .
Secondly the community cleansing of kashmiri pandits and Sufis was so that if a referendum is held in Kashmir there LL be no one to oppose .
World isn't that much changed . We only got technology today and some benefits from it but world is the same .
@@abcdwxyz5391 Water is in fact one of the prime reasons why Kashmir problem is such a mess, other is obviously politics.
@@abcdwxyz5391 Modi is not tough , he controls media who in turn control his public image. The US or any other state never partook in Kashimr conflict , you seem to be incited by some conspiracy theory . Although you are correct about China being happy in all this.
Kashmir should be an independent country
It's old now . Indians have purchased lot of land in Kashmir after 370 was kicked out. So locals find a different place to prove your ownership. 😂😂
Anybody after India revoking Article 370 from Kashmir??
Here im...
and me..! happy news..
Hehe
I feel sad for Kashmiris
They lost their special status
I am here
The video does not even discuss the mass killing, cleansing and exodus of Kashmiri Hindus in 90s. It left out an entire part of history.
You expected them to talk about it 🙄.
290 deaths is mass killing?
And they Also didn't talked about genocide of Jammu Muslims
@@Alamgir-ri6px 290 deaths that you talk about were of the most prominent Kashmiri Hindus. The rest were not even fortunate enough to get cremated as their families fled in hurry. And the hundreds of thousands of people that had to flee and leave their properties and everything they had behind to start a new life? Were they not humans? In 1989, there were hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Pandits in the valley. Now there are not even a few thousand.
@@Alamgir-ri6px were u there to count the bodies I guess not know your facts stop talking about things u don't know.
@@Alamgir-ri6px the guy who killed his own family is talking about killing 😂😂😂,
Ironic
There is no description od kashmiri hindu genocide 1990 ???
Can anyone tell me why ???
You didn't talk about Kashmiri Hindus getting killed by Pakistan and local muslims
average indian news watcher"
Why only the people of Srinagar were interviewed? Must have also covered the response of the Gilgit Baltistan people as well
That's because a free country lets its people speak up and lets the press talk. Not so true with our neighbors 🤣
@@shreenathjraman3619
No because gilgit wants to say with pakistan. I know the people there. More patriotic than me. They love pakistan
@@-Isah7866 Oh ofcourse they do. :) Atleast noone from this side claims it to be Indian territory. Y'all can sit and claim Kashmir and every Indian state to be a part of Pakistan. Couldn't care less. Have a great day sir.
@@shreenathjraman3619
We dont want land. We want to free the kashmiris, it means by voting for independance or pakistan/india. They should choose not modi. Btw we dont want indian states thats china. Check the status of Ladakh :)
@@-Isah7866 sure you do🤣
American have to tell who were war criminals of Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan,Libya Yemen and Syria wars ,
1:20 Indian administered kashmir? The whole state belongs to india including the illegally occupied Pok
As a kashmiri pandit watching this was heart breaking. I used to think Vox will be different as they are more of an independent journalism tribe but even they only presented one side of the story.
I’m sorry for whatever happened to you but you have to realize even with pandits it was still complete Muslim majority.
@@salaarfaiz3877 Brother it was not about majority or minority it was about representation. The army was increased after 1990 it wasn't this much before that , you can look it up and you will see with the terrorism increasing they had no other way to control other than deploying the army for controling the situation. If the terrorism had stopped after that even the army would decrease eventually. India has borders at multiple states but this number of Army personnel are deployed just in Kashmir not anywhere else because terrorist acitivities at such a large scale isn't anywhere else in the country.
One sided story interview of one community and no one interviews Kashmiri pundits why ?
Your not kashmiri lol shut up
Well it’s sad wha happened but the people are using it as an excuse for repressing the Kashmiri Muslim who
Lost 1 lack of their own
This video didn't cover exodus of kashmiri pandits(hindus)
Of course they wouldn't, Vox is a liberal new outlet and liberals almost always favor Pakistan since it is a 'Muslim country' and liberals are best friends with Muslims. They only show the side of the Muslim majority Kashmiris and their struggles. They don't care about the Hindu side of it since the Hindu country of India is the so-called 'oppressor'.
But pundits escaped from here and living luxurious life in West
It didn't cover the genocide of thousands of Jammu muslims
@@ijaz2like why did they have to escape the peaceful people?
@@nuclearbug5797 lakhs*
Thanks!!
Díky překladateli!
Kashmir is named after Rishi (sage) Kashyapa. It's population was a Hindu population, and it would still have had a strong Hindu population, known as Kashmiri Pandits (scholars) if not for the Islamist t3rr0rists who have committed genocide of the worst possible kind, including on women and children. What is left is a Muslim majority population who are now calling themselves as Kashmiris and asking for independence, but what about the Kashmiri Pandits who want to get back to their homes but cannot because of the very same people who are claiming to be victims?
So you're saying Kashmir used to be hindu majority before 1990?
No mention of Water, No mention of Kashmiri pandits. No mention of opinion of people in POK. Very well researched video
Thats cuz we don't want to join India lol.
Bro hm to independent Kashmir ka khetay hai.azad Kashmir or iok ko milao or separate country bna do.
Ye south asia ka Switzerland bn jae ga.
@@muhammadsheharyardogar6256 u see, India is union. It's like EU. Kashmiri can be proud state of India like other Indian states. It's 21st century. How many more borders you wanna create to separate humans
@@smit17xp India is not like EU, EU is a federation and India is a Union of States, A Union involves a common government, but no state has more power than the other and a state can never seperate itself to form another country.
@@ripudamansinghverma yes it is not like America and EU but kashmir and the people of Kashmir will become happy and developed with India
Pakistan have no power and money for development of Kashmir
🇮🇳🇮🇳Jai Hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳
"Let's divided the nation. Now everyone's happy👍"
*SIKED*
They both got angrier
Ah yes. Bill wurtz
@Siddharth Doshi Yeah if you're talking about Indians harming Pakistanis
@@flint8173 shut up mullah
@Siddharth Doshi lol
But on each other
Funny how this video shows only the Muslim Kashmiris, and not the forced out Hindu Kashmiris.
I think you guys have FORGOTTEN about the KASHMIRI PANDITS the original Hindu community of Kashmir. They have a long history and cultural heritage deeply rooted in the Kashmir Valley, and their presence in the region can be traced back for centuries, their Genocide, the Ethnic cleansing in the 1990s is a tragic chapter in Kashmir's history.
The video is missing the geopolitical value: Water.
The area is where the rivers Jhelum and Chenab (that feed the Indus) start. Whoever controls the area, controls the flow of water.
Victor Roman Flores I was waiting for them to explain WHY the area is so important. Countries hold wars because they want the resources of the area and VOX never explained it. Thank you!
Water may seem to be an issue, that's not what has lead to the conflict or any of wars.
@@HemantKhachi True... in a way. Even thou conflicts have had a religion-based origin, the underlying reason is still resources.
I have to add that there's a very succesful treaty, btw: The Indus Water Treaty, and it has been respected by both parties, but the Climate Change is going to put more pressure on this matter.
@@lizzielewalski9868
Listen
thediplomat.com/2016/09/analysis-why-kashmir-matters/
Obviously this comment section is going to be civil and structural Just like the Kashmir situation.
True but what's your stance in this issue?
#ReferendumForKashmir
Simple as that.
@@user-gl6su3xi6s that's perhaps the best methodology, but to convince both the states, and the elites to sit down to have a dialogue, is the difficult part!
I guess the youths will have to pressure their leaders to do the right thing, and put an end to this cycle of violence
@@munendersingh5631 i just want peace. India and Pak are huge upcoming economies with similar languages and people in many ways. I just want them to work together not against.
I'd prefer UN intervention.
@Overweight Russian Grandma
Before we get that far, lets get to the point where only one country in question agrees with referendum, whilst the other is violently opposed to it.
They hold, "alright" elections.
Besides any referendum in Kashmir would(at least should) be UN headed.
A propagandist approach of seeing this issue.
THIS VIDEO IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG
Not a single mention about kashmiri pandits
And how their own state side lined them
shhhhh Secularism hai
@@kumarsaurav4125 abhi BJP govt hai.. abhi bhi doosra exodus chal raha hai waha.. kya ukhaad raha h amit aur mudi?? Shhh secularism hai
No one cares lol
@@BeingOM unse pucho
@@KyojuroRengoku98 except for three nuclear armed nations, India, Pakistan and China.
You'll never dare to cover the Pundits or interview them or people of POK
For those who are saying " what about the exodus? ". Well even before it, the pundits were a minute percentage of the population. At the time of partition they made up only 6% of the population and continued to reduce due to migration ( becaz of land reforms ). Now the exodus is a whole other debate and i dont see how India can use it to justify the atrocities it is committing in Kashmir. I mean the fact that about 700,000 indian troops are stationed in IOK is a clear sign of human rights being suppressed.
Also its funny how when Pakistan helps the Kashmirs, the term terrorism is used but even though the video clearly shows the atrocities of the Indian Government, it doesn't associate the word terrorism for them ( *sigh* Islamophobia ). The guy who carried out the Palwama attack is a freedom fighter and not a terrorist, like all other kashmiri martyrs.
Noman Rasheed Jesus Christ the salt, aight all of you listen up: Kashmir is In all terms of the word, a rightful part of India. It was given to India by the Prince and even the British agreed upon it. Pakistani people are just jealous due to the fact they’ve lost every war against India and are trying desperately to hold this remnant of territory by the excuse of Muslim martyrs. They even choose to ignore the mass exodus of Hindus in Kashmir and only focus on the Muslim majority. If Kashmir goes to Pakistan, what will happen to the Pundits? They’ll be killed since there is a Hindu phobia in Pakistan.
People could talk about different only in india because india give them freedom of speech in pok they don't even have this right !!!!
@@abdultawab4621 brother i agree that the presence of troops trouble u but believe they are just to protect our country .....and no one can justify the mass murderer of hindu pandits ....so just shut up.
@@ShubhamKumar-dl5gv and what about jammu massacres? can it be justified???
There was no Pakistan existed in past....only India was Kashmir is state of India
I don't understand, why these types of videoes ever show what happens to Pakistan side of Kashmir.
Actually the place you are talking about is three different places, 1. Jammu 2. Kashmir 3. Ladakh.
They are making all these places kashmir in this documentary.
Yes !!😑
There is gilgit baltistan too which for some reason india calls it "pok", the people there identify as gilgiti and not kashmiri
Its called kashmir Pakistan 🇵🇰🔥🏔️🗻🚩❤️✌️☝️☠️🌍
@@hamzamahdi104 POK ?
@@fazleazeem958 dont worry in few years those will be called indians XD
4 lakh Kashmiri pandits forced to leave Kashmir but you never mentioned in this
Liberandu hai ye log.
dimagh hy? forced.. jahil
@@dawoodchouhan to kaunsa pyar se bola jaane ko.
Forced hi tha,aur jinhone manah kiya unhe maar diya gaya.
And there are 80 lakh Muslims in kashmir what about them
@@thestranger7824 they are still there no one is saying them to leave kashmir like they did for Hindus
One sided documentary
No mention of Kashmiri Pandit Massacre
No mention of balitstan freedom struggle
No mention of jammu. It’s jammu and Kashmir and all in jammu loves India. I am from jammu I’d rather kilo myself before going to Pakistan. There is no dispute in jammu and kashmir. We love India. Jai hind. There’s only one dispute and that is our gilgit balitstan we want it back.
Baltistan freedom struggle.
Wow.
I'm from gilgit Baltistan and we want Pakistan.
Half of People from gilgit Baltistan go to Islamabad or Karachi for jobs
So, without sight you shouldn't criticise.
You can have Gilgit Baltistan back once you manage to spell it correctly.
6:23 "Pakistan saw an opportunity in this insurgency" is all what going on in Kashmir
My grandmother was Kashmiri. I would say the exodus of Hindus from that region after the conflict started in the 40s, has led to a significant disparity in what Kashmir once was and what it is now. I'm not sure if it's as just as it is presented to be, to simply poll the people of current Kashmir about what they think without giving any voice to all the Kashmiris who felt forced out of the region- by many of those same people who remained or migrated in. I guess that's one of the problems with multi generational conflicts. My grandmother's family will never get justice.
My mom is Kashmiri. When my grandmother was a child her house was burnt down my Muslims. During the 80’s Muslims would threaten to rape the Hindus over speakers (you know, those speakers that are used for Muslims to pray). My great- grandmother wanted to stay in Kashmir but unfortunately she passed away in the mid to late 80’s. The Muslims demanded that we gave up our family home, where our family had been living in for generations. My mom hasn’t been to Kashmir for over 30 years now. One of my moms friends was forced to live in a migration camp for a year. During that time her father died from the stress. It’s really sad to see what’s happened to Kashmir .
@Chirag Patel funny coming from the religion with a caste system where dalit women are forced into prostitution.
@@RatherA 100% true. I read this from many different first person accounts and biographies. Not a word of it is made up.
@Chirag Patel Quran* 💀
@@abrahmicsupremacist38 Man spitting facts is an IT cell RSS chapp goon ok bro.
The story vox told is 1/10th of the whole part. MANNNN You left so so so much.
True. They didn't mention the hypocrisy of India in its dealings with Junagadh, which was completely at odds with how they treated Kashmir.
Its simplified.
That’s vox bro. As edgy as it tries to make itself look, it’s still mainstream down the line, especially on foreign issues, they’re not gonna go against the American narrative
@@harpyfridge Wait What?!
@@NiggaSlayer7 if you don't know how india was hypocritical in its dealings with the princely states, look up the annexation of Junagadh.
We already gave very huge land to muslims and still we have largest muslim population in the world.
And whole world knows that Hari Singh (Hindu Monarch) decided to join with Inida on 26 October 1947.
cheery picking of the facts and presenting them to prove certain propoganda is beautiful example here
1)after independence kashmir has to decide whether to remain independent or join any of the two nation
2)pakistan attacked kashmir to capture forcefully so kashmir signed to join india and become part of india
3)kashmir is home to buddhist ,kashmiri pandit and muslims." not to just muslims" so where the heck was world when they removed and destroyed kashmiri pandits from valley
present facts but with whole truth and 2019 attacked by terrorist and here you are indirectly justifying why he did that destroyed 49 families beacuse police official insulted him like i am disgusted of this selective journalism
Religions : Spread love not war!
Worshippers / Believers : Let's start a war shall we?
That happen when you drunk on religion
War has happened since the beginning of time a has little to do with religion. There will always be war.
it makes me sad to be muslim tbh
Baljinder Singh islam was never made to create war?
@Baljinder Singh You are just a big religion racist
Mcgonagall : Why is it that in every dispute and war in modern history, it is always you two?
United States
Brits
+ France
lol
True
Russia?
Brits : (whispering) "I'm proud of you, son"
Everyone knows the problem but no one knows the solution.
For me, I see that this is a conflict that has ended (in terms of a conflict between two organized armies) because it will cost very much to India and Pakistan if a war breaks out over some mountains.
Before commenting atleast look at the conditions specially economically ......there is a huge huge difference in Military power of both .....they will be completely distroyed if somehow try to...today's India is not softpower !!!
@@AbhishekVerma-vg6zb Pakistan must be with India and end these wars and abandon its charity with China because China destroyed Pakistan's economy
Vox started from 3 countries but explained only 2, which means something is missing.
he cant go to china and interview people lol
@@InderjitSingh12 in that part of Kashmir under China mostly nobody live.
china's not as involved as india & pakistan are
@@FirstNameLastName-qt2hz Yeah but Vox could said little bit more about China involvement, for this problem it significant.
Inderjit Singh nobody live in Aksai Chin.
India - We won
Pakistan - We won
Hassan Minajh - no dude, the British won
Indians bycotted Netflix because made fun of modi. Same modi that butchered 2500 Muslims in Gujarat. His men ripped the fetus of muslim woman's womb with a sword. That's Indian for you
@@RatherA that was fake stfu u radical islamist
@G Joeye "pardoned by supreme court" even when he confessed ripping the fetus out of muslim woman's womb, his exact words were "I ripped the fetus out of her and raised it on my sword, it made me feel like Lord". Indian supreme court in one sentence
@@RatherA he did not butchered man supreme court of india cleared him in
sorry Hassan is a moron with a 1030 sat score the British is a non entity
What pakistan has done for pok they ignored its development they considered it as a third world..while india building roads and railways in kashmir..
I will say... The video is incomplete.
It's not completely explained. Name of the state is Jammu and Kashmir. But if you see.... There are territories like ladakh and jammu where there isn't any kind of conflict or terror activities.
It's just about kashmir and the reason is 'Initial attack by Pakistan on State of Jammu and Kashmir'.
If that attack was not happened then Maharaja Hari Singh would have chosen whatever suits to him.
But since it was Pakistan who initiated conflict, India has to take aggressive steps.
You missed something that's really important. Water.. Kashmir has the source of all water. The Indus..( there was an edit look in the comments )
Thank you for sharing this. After watching the video, I am wondering why India kept on pushing for their claim. Most countries do it for resources but this video failed to point it out.
@@gjsoriano1 He is a stupid, Ganga doesn't flow from Kashmir. Look at the map
@@gjsoriano1 India has historical claim over it. It was a Hindu majority region once but arrival of Islam destroyed everything in Kashmir
@@desidark1243 not 1000...since 23 Millenia BC
Not ganga. Its source is in Gangotri in uttarakhand.
Now talk about the Uyghur Muslims in China
ty 😁
@@pengu_jm not all of them, and y the china need to take the children and force them to learn about something that doesn't make sense
@@senzon7676 yes, they just put them in re-education camps for years together !!
Vox would piss their pants seeing the wrath of Chinese
@@senzon7676 there are allegations of torture etc. too, though I have no idea how true they are. The whole situation is worrying anyways, even though I understand the need to de-radicalize. I don't know much about it, and neither do officials afaik.
@@pengu_jm Not really possible. Vox woudn't even be allowed to step foot there. Even if they could, the CCP would've already prepared things. And the situation is very grim, considering that many Han Chinese have already been "contracted" to live with Uighur muslims in the region and many who protested there have ended up in "vocational training" schools.
What is this "war broke out"??. Why don't you mention who starts these wars?
Kashmir will bi free and let Kashmiri decide where to go with Pakistan or stay Independent
Wow. ....you cleverly ignore the 1992 Kashmiri pandits situation ...carry on vox
@@ahmedbilal5554 where are you getting these Imaginary numbers from?
@@ahmedbilal5554 wow what your media (military controlled) is feeding u
@@ahmedbilal5554 and currently pakistan is making a genocide in Balochistan so yeh think bout it
@@prateeksharma6706 why do you indian like to say "military controlled"? What's that supposed to mean? Do you feel western when you say that?
@@Goku-km2lk from where you got to know about the kashmiri pandits
Brother you forgot about the forceful movement of Kashmiri pandits from the valley in the name of religion
Hope that they return to their native land and let the peace ☮️ prevail
Jai Hind 🇮🇳
@@LuCiFeR-et6fp well it could be a propeganda as claimed by Kashmiris that is why they didn't show it. Also neither did they talk about junagarh which would show who the actual aggressor was
true
2 state solution is good
@@LuCiFeR-et6fp you can never know the truth from Indian sources. Why aren't they going back? Kashmiris have said they have no problem with them? . Bcz India wants to stage a drama to justify its oppression
@@LuCiFeR-et6fpwhat do you mean population has increased? Do you think you are god that needs to be worshipped for letting Muslims have babies? Every communities population has increased on the basis of their educational background. Talk about the number of people killed in Kashmir conflict not how many people are born
The video did not include the mass exodus of the Kashmiri Pandits…
Why do they start with recent events? When was the border drawn and what was agreed upon?
The Exodus of Kashmiri Pandits/Hindus was the most sad incident you forgot to mention that.
There exodus is just a drama.
Killing Kashmiris is also a drama😂😂😂
@@spreesppocket yea everything on the other part of same coin is just a drama... And only what you face is a sad reality!
Do more research, don't just be radicalized.
@@spreesppocket ig u studied in madrassa
It's a story created by extremists and muslims r thousands time better than casteist pandits
SERIOUSLY A WHOLE 10 MINUTE VIDEO ON KASHMIR WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING THE KASHMIRI PANDITS WHO PEACEFULLY RESIDED IN THE LAND OF SARASWATI (KNOWLEDGE)!!!
@Teejay the Razzaks created havoc in Hyderabad and the north Karnataka region. they were Members of the powerful Razakar militia, the armed wing of Hyderabad's most powerful Muslim political party, who were terrorising many Hindu villagers. There isn't much proof about the civilians, but if it did happen, it was obviously a reaction to the years of tormenting but still, it was unfortunate. ( it mostly didn't happen they must have happened as they might have attacked the army). Also, Hyderabad was always a part of Bharat so 'forcibly' is out of the question.
Its People's Land
He also did not mention the Jammu Muslim genocide so no need to get hyper
Kashmiri pandits situation was a failure of Government... which was hindus..... They couldn't.. or did not even try... to solve it from the independence ... wanna know why? election's mai kuch hindu muslims ka Mudda chahiye na... Lifetime ka mudda ban gaya ... ye Kashmiri Pandit
@@ahnafahmed4951 yea
"While the Hindu elaborates his argument, the Moslem sharpens his sword. ' ~ Churchill
whats a moslem
Racist. As if both sides do not engage in violence. Not all Muslims jump to violence as a solution to a problem and not all Hindus are pacifists and peaceful.
Dear @Vox why is it that European govt are not Christian nationalist govt, Islamic govt are not Islamic nationalist govt,but India, a secular nation, World's biggest democracy, which also provides the so called minorities with special appeasement laws a Hindu Nationalist Government ?
I edited my comment so that the replies won't make sense
No you are wrong
@@ayushchawdhary537 ok then what is it sniper 2000
Any colonialism, actually.
Lol
Almost 100 years of the end of that. It's time to blame Pakistán and India.
No mention of Kashmiri Pandits.
Why?
Nobody knows or cares about them
Vox hates Hindus
Because you have to be relevant to the story. If you're explaining someone the independence of India in 1947, you won't tell him about the East Pakistan war. Use some sense. It's the writer's point of view.
Acha hua unlogo ke sath
@@waseykhan6203 Palestinians ke bare me bhi yhi bologe?
Kashmir as an independent country can never exist realistically
Exactly
It can't it not easy for Kashmir
Running a country is not easy
But Some Kashmiris and foolish Pakistanis don't understand
I am Dutch, and have read and seen so much history and wars. Wherever Islam enters, there will be war. And Europe has to help them, and later the Europeans will be blamed for everything.
That whole area isn't even kashmir....so much history missing,from both India and Pakistan point of view
It’s 2 wars won by Pakistan, 1 by india
@@jimk4213 No Pakistan army strong, wow grape
Neither of the replies above makes any sense to me...
@@jimk4213 ummm. No. All of the wars were won by India. Just stating facts. UN was the one to intervene India’s advances. And all these times, Pakistan was the one to start the conflict
@@jimk4213 Was it Sarcasm??
You didn't mention anything about very important part of J&K, kashmiri pandits and torture of them.
I believe you will get it.
Exactly my point. How are people ignoring the fact that the king of Kashmir was a Hindu coz there were no Muslim when the Kingdom of Kashmir was made.
@@aruji-sama get the facts right
@@universal1079 I am really sorry, I didn't make myself clear. Of course you are right my statement is partially not correct. As Kashmir was ruled by the mughals for 5 centuries, who introduced Islam to the Hindu and Buddhist population by some not so peaceful means. Did I get my facts right ?
@@aruji-sama people of India converted from Hindus to Muslims and indirectly people belong here. It's not Muslims it's Hindus who changed their religion |
They are not worth talking about
It was genocide. Not exodus
Why the voting still not held?