3-D Printing Long Lost Model Kits
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Can those expensive and scarce old model kits be reproduced with modern computer technology? YES! It’s already happened and Steve shows a once-rare classic model kit that’s come back from the African Desert.
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Steves channel is growing pretty fast, no clickbait just solid content!
I just picked up a large amount of vintage model kits . I been putting models together for over 35 years
I always liked the kits that gave you options on tires, etc. Then I could save what I didn't use and tweak another model if I wanted to have fatter tires on the back etc. 👍🏻
3D printing as a production tool isn't cost or time effective. Scanning the kits and printing a prototype for proof and then moving to injection molding is way more cost effective. Also 3D Printing has layer lines in it and would need filler to remove that, lots more prep work.
My son does prototyping and 3D printing as well as scanning and he's Fusion360 certified. What you're talking about is one of the services he offers.
I have not put a Model together in about forty years . I became quite good at painting them . Very nice Steve !
Me either, i just back into it a few years back.
The process of Stereo lithography could recreate them in high enough resolution. I’ve seen it used way back in the 90’s to mock-up air intakes etc. so it is possible but definitely NOT cost effective. Injection molding is the way to go but molds can easily be made with the correct scans and CNC process. Awesome vids.
I had Rommel's Rod when I was a kid in the 70s. Probably still around at home.
Steve, I'll take the high road and assume you think that I am dead as well. Sorry, still alive and kicking. I have my life savings tied up in buying JoHan and I have more than enough problems from people already illegally copying my stuff. Yes, 3D printing is an answer but converting it to tooling is still obscenely expensive. The box art would be easy to copy, but while I own the entire design, the blue cartoon Road Runner is owned by Fiat-Porsche- Chrysler or Stellantis, or whatever they are calling themselves today. It is straight from a 1969 Plymouth ad with the heart in the bird's helmet removed for the box art. Then there are issues with the Warner Brothers Roadrunner design. I agree with you on one thing- all it takes to re-engineer the parts is a boat load of money. Anyone with tons of cash is more than welcome to contact me.
I hated getting Scale Auto Enthusiast mag and seeing how much money my parents threw out when I moved! 200 built on shelves, a whole closet full of unbuilts and 2 Tamiya 88mm flak boxes full of parts! Slowly rebuilding
A man after my own heart.
Most of those kits were before my time. However as a ten year old in 1980 there were a few model shops locally still.
Those shops would sell old stock cheap .
That’s when I became aware and started building .
Fast forward twenty five years and I started buying everything o loved as a kid from eBay.
Thankfully I did as a lot of the old kits I bought for five or ten bucks are now out of my price range.
Never grow up!!!
This is exactly what Round 2 did with the 1/25 International Transtar CO-4070 kit. They scanned an original kit because the original mold was gone and tightened up the details and fixed any reported build issues and cut new molds. This by far is the best AMT semi kit even at a higher price point people were buy 2-3 kits and in my opinion really the only one worth buying. I have several of their semi kits and you can see the molds are old, the detail is soft lots of flash and fit issues. I’m sure if they invested in doing this to their older kits they would sell like hot cakes, you’ll be able to see it in the new Ford c-series garbage truck the new body with the old worn out cab.
Buddy, fellow Bay Stater! I've done Bar Crawls but no Junkyard Crawls till I watched you. Great stuff, you'll be back at it soon.
Pat
I've read, that Johan also made plastic picnic supplies,....forks, spoons, knives. And they were made in "festive" colors. And, the same plastic was used in their kits. A good model building friend of mine ( RIP ) Daryl, used to make bets on what color a kit would be. Kinda a fun game.
Hey, Mr. Steve. Love your videos. That being said, there seems to be a problem with your sound. I see your wearing a lapel mic, so I'm thinking it must be some post production setting or something. I have to turn the volume ALL the way up to hear what you are saying, then an add comes on and it's LOUD as hell, lol. Keep up the good work sir.
Love these old models , especially your slant 6 engines I would love to have one
I think The Parts Box have a slant six
it's crazy how much kits cost now
It’s 2021 , EVERYTHING costs more . Plus model kits are made from petroleum products.
For some strange reason I’m not having any issues with the audio.
Feeling a little left out over here.
Steve take a look at Round2's 'AMT 63 Chevy II Wagon kits. They are 100% new tooling done by scanning the original kits just like you described, but with some modest improvements. You can bet that there's more like that coming.
This video reminds me of building model kits as a kid. My closest childhood friend, our family Siamese cat (named D.C.) loved helping me. She would steal the rubber tires from my open kits and eat the tires! Only the rubber ones mind you..This would force me to put tires and sometimes wheels from other kits on my builds. Even from model truck kits. Forced creativity. See, you couldn't simply run to Kmart or Sid's Pet and Hobby Shop to pick up only a set of rubber tires to match your model. Plus, that stunt wouldn't fly with the folks not to mention Sid's Pet and Hobby shop seriously wreaked of small animal pee... So, you had to steal tires from your brother's kits (and pay the price later).
Another fantastic look back at some rare plastic. Jo-Han had some of the best detail in their parts, someone should take your advice and then, take my money!
Brings back memory s that jo han roadrunner very first model I ever bought!!
Cool models Steve...ah ha..cool kitty appearance.
Fun fact, all calico cats are female.
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Not true. It's statistically very rare but there are male calico cats.
Same thing for the Taijuana Taxi. The mold was lost, Very smart Steve
I have an Original Rommels Ride unbuilt as well. It comes with Having the Last Hobby Shop on the island of Manhattan. JAN'S we shut our doors this past September....
LOL, there’s a gaggle of posters on a FB modeling page having a cow over that “oops!”. One of them even dropped an “I’ve had my stuff featured in Scale Auto, have you?” card on someone who stuck up for Steve. Catty bunch, lol! 😆
Steve, I bought one of those Johan RR kits from you way back in the early 90's at a Mopar show in CT. Still got it.
it is nice to see a Massachusetts based show for a change
I got the Rommel's Rod for Christmas back in 1975/6 or so. It never occurred to me until now that it was an odd choice, as my mom's family survived some harrowing times in Germany during WWII.
As much as I would love to see a whole bunch of the old Jo-Han kits re-released this way, I imagine hordes of copyright lawyers would come looking for blood the moment anyone publicly scanned and printed in the way you suggest. Which is a pity.
I know there was already issues between lego and the 3d printing community and the models were free to download.
The patent is up for Legos, just the blocks, but the name Lego ect. is still trademarked. You can make the blocks all you want. Just don't use their name. There real big asshats about that.
Really enjoy the history lessons and thought process in your videos Steve. Great stuff. Thanks!!
Steve, I gotten back into model cars for rainy days and cold weather when I not doing the full size cars in the garage. The mid year Corvette ‘65 coupe, ‘67 coupe, ‘67 convertible, ‘68 convertible hard top, and the ‘57 Chevy Nomad are all available on ebay. I’m not sure if these are old stock or new issues I then to think the later. I’m only interested in these because they represent my actual cars. The only gripe I have with the Corvette kits is they are all BBC engines. It is a chore to modify hood to reflect SBC engine cars. Also no hardtop comes with the convertible so I make on out of rag top. 😊The options in kit for rocker moldings/ side pipes and rally /bolt on isn’t in kit so I have to buy double kits to build as my cars.
I would love to find a 56 chevy kit that's about a foot long. That's the only good thing I remember about my step dad. I watched him build a 57 when I was a kid.
The Rommels Rod was one of the first kits I remember building, along with dragster in a bottle kits, and now I have an original kit and one of the reissues I look forward to building again. Thanks for all you do for this hobby, real cars too. Sending you get well soon thoughts and speedy recovery. Take care
Great channel ! So much knowledge
Steve, I've always been a big fan of yours, mostly for your automotive knowledge and content. But I was not aware you were heavily into my life long hobby of scale models! SWEET!! 👍
Nice , Love the old mopars. I have a road runner model car and casting car
I started watching you yesterday for the automotive content, And now I learn your a fellow model builder.... Awesome !
Steve, the model I seek most is the 413 Dodge Dart.. I had one of the original JoHan models of this car. As a teen i just drooled over this . I found one in Kelso,,Wash for sale at the dodge dealer back then but the dealer refused to sell it to a16 year old kid. He talked my mom out of it.
Awesome Idea Steve.
Great video. Tom Daniel is definitely alive. I recently corresponded with him and purchased a number of his Monogram model designs box cover prints as well as some 50 Anniversary prints. I have loved his kit designs and built many of them when I was young. He is an amazing car designer. It would be cool for you to do something on him. Keep up the great work.
Thanks for the videos and information.
I had heard the many of the Jo-Han models had been reissued so many times over the decades, that many of the dies were simply worn out by the time the company closed and that putting these kits back into production would involve retooling the molds (basically, starting from scratch) in order to produce quality, marketable kits. As a kid in the 1980s, I enjoyed the Jo-Han kits because the offered many models of cars that the other brands didn’t plus I was young enough then not to be a skilled model builder so their simplicity was a plus and the completed kits were molded in thicker plastic and were “tough” enough to be played with without falling apart. Today, I remain sentimental about them and still wish that someone would invest in bringing them (along with the old box art) back to the market.
Thank you. I've been having an ongoing war with somebody on FB who is convinced it can't be done. High end 3D scanners can replicate an old kit no problem. Now if they could start getting certain real cars right using 3D scanning...
It absolutely can be done! I'm pretty sure that's how Round 2 re-released the International Transtar truck kit. The thing is, they cleaned up and improved it in many ways when they did it!
Why war over a benign issue? Have a civil debate.
@@rickdee67 Agreed. That said, I have a background in the arts, am an art professor at RIT and I know what Im talking about. When somebody doesn't listen to what I have to say, I have issues. Many times the disagreements come from collectors who are more interested in maximizing their stash value than advancing the hobby for those who want to build those classic kits.
i love Steve's Channel ! awesome
Silver is an awesome primer for colored plastic.
A few years back i seen some vintage model cars in original boxes the box art was really good looking i thought to myself if someone was to print posters of cool vintage model car box art it would probably sell decently well. Of course it probably wouldn't be profitable enough to make it worth doing.
👍🏻 Good Stuff! I remember my days of model building.
If they reprinted the slant six engine model I would buy it. As long as it was around 100 bucks
Great stuff Steve.
I always love watching you stuff.
I have already shared this video with my brother. I know he'd be interested.
I dig the Johan kits and probably owned all of them at one time or another....and the Roadrunner is one of my favorites. (probably had 6 or 7 of them) I've recently purchased a AMT 68 Roadrunner and a 69 GTX to get some Mopar B body out of my system. LOL
great videos
Very interesting video, thanks for posting.😊
your stash is massive, love your video's Steve keep em coming.
I still have a original 1987 Bill Elliott Nascar. It still has the cellophane on the box.
Steve... Your model car collection looks a lot like mine. 🙂 Awesome. 👍
Sweet video - well done. My volume was fine BTW. Thank you.
I'm kind of a late bloomer? Just came across this video. REALLY liked it!
Thank you for all of this information. Will be watching more of your videos!
Not only scan to recreate, but you could customize the scale of the kits as well.
The 1969 original box is really interesting with the Petty artwork. They created the artwork prior to Petty signing with Petty for the 1969 season. He drove a Ford Torino Cobra or Talladega depending on the engine if it was a 427 or Boss 429.
Awesome vid Steve!
Steve, I never thought you'd be sharing your discoveries from a plastic bone yard... but when you speak, I always listen to see if you can stump me with info I'd either forgotten or just didn't know!.. I'm also intrigued by those guys who are creating 3D printed engines!
The reasons kits stayed cheap is because the original molds never left. When you engineer new molds for old kits the price will be increased 20% or more. I worked in 3 hobby shops and saw them all go out of business. Kids aren't buying $40 model cars that their parents grew up with, they just dont care they dont build models period. This is all a very niche hobby now and with the prices are strictly geared towards experienced modellers with money to spare.
*Very good video Steve~I love it but the Rommel's Rod had to be re released in 2009 not 2019 as I built several of them when they came out and that was 2 years before my divorce and that was Jan 2011~So there is some kinda time warp there my friend ~But love the old Jo-Han models and would love to see their Maverick kit redone~There was at least 3 versions of that kit from them as a promo~ a funny car~and a prostock drag car~So there is lots to scan there and make them because all the tooling was stolen in 1970 that's why they are so rare today*
awesome video sir thank you
Love it as always
Another great video
Wow great video Steve
Awesome stuff!
Get well Steve!
I think there could be an aftermarket for engines and transmissions which could be done by small producers. Sometimes builders might want to replicate an actual mid-level drive train or options like air conditioning, air grabber hood or something without having to scrounge around or buy whole kits for a few pieces.
Checkout The Parts Box they do heaps of stuff
i like what you have to say. im not nostalgic ive built lots of old kits not too many jo hans, mostly mpc, revel and amt, some hellers, as a kid. Now i might be a bit of a snob but Tamiya, ebbro, aoshima, and fujimi are the kits for me, in that order. I have 65 unbuilt kits less than 15 are american cars by american model companies. I sprinked those between the other kits to change things up a bit.
I also try to build kits that have motors, curbside ones feel incomplete. i love your gassers and how you pose them at launch. you tube helps me learn so much but they couldnt do it if youvdidnt provide the excellent content. thank you.
Love the studio it really looks like someone dirty old den or something. The c.g.i is amazing Steve. Having a "money is no object " spare no expense" budget really paid off..
You're not going to get injection molded quality, even with a resin printer. Scanning and recreating the molds is a good option though 👍
I have that Roadrunner kit mint and unbuilt! And your model room looks like the one every friend of mine had back in the early 70s....outstanding!
you're being polite
Great video Steve, couple of comments to consider as you progress with your channel and I realise it’s still early days. Could you crank up the volume a little, the quality is fine but it’s quiet compared to other videos. Second some close up shots of small parts would be useful, I realise that’s extra time and effort in filming and editing but it would add to the quality immensely for anyone watching on tablets or phones. Thanks.
boost the gain on the mic steve
@@hrwildem4993 I wonder if it’s the on-camera microphone?
@@CycolacFan he has a mic on his collar
Well, this is WAAAAY more interesting than I could have imagined! 🙂 Oh, how I wish I could do much as you suggest--though not with just one lost molds kit!
Wow! JoHan’s…late60’s/early 70’s Cadillacs? The only thing I love more than Muscle Cars are Cadillacs! Man I would love to see a inexpensive 1970 Sedan Deville “Cad-do”!(only
because it’s the car of my youth)
JC : )
(New Sub)
100% right kids need hobbies nowadays
Interesting, great facts. Cool! Thanks from Milwaukee Wisconsin 🧀🍻.
Love the channel Steve, can never learn too much about Mopar (obviously), GM, Ford, AMC....NASCAR, drag racing etc., etc....
I've got that IMC L-700 behind you, gonna get the Haul Away trailer and put some dream cars on it, '68 Hemi Dart, a Barracuda and a few others, for a bit of a Holy Grail barn find build....
Got the Golden Commandos '65 Plymouth that you showed in another video, was it the UTG live one maybe....🤨🤔....how did you do the bronze(?) for that one, their earlier all white car will be a lot easier! 😉😆😂
Hope to see more of your models, both when being built and when finished, with some tips and tricks too!
All the best for 2022....
I've been using closed caption just to make sure I don't miss anything. Could you please do something about your volume. As the last guy said, we can barely hear you. On my laptop, I can't turn my volume up anymore and I can barely hear you.
Other than that you are entertaining as hell and your depth of knowledge continues to blow me away.
If they made the kits once. They can make the kits again. Sure it may cost 5-10x what it cost the first time. but the kits nowadays are 5-10x the cost they were then as well. Plus anyone that has built something once can build it much faster the next time. If there is a large enough demand for any kit from the past, they will produce it again. They are just like every other for-profit business. If there is a way to fill demand profitably, you do it. After all they are NOT in the plastic model making business, they are in the money making business.
I don’t know how feasible it would be but I have always wanted to modify some of the model kits that I had, and maybe even make some new additions. For example, my dad (sadly he passed in 2014) bought a brand new 1993 Ford F-350 Supercab dually and him and I had a ton of great memories in that truck, from towing all kinds of campers for people to towing office/storage trailers to power plants, construction sites, even a prison that was being built.
(Incase anyone reading this is curious it was the sort of rare factory turbo 7.3 IDI, 5 speed, 4.10 gears, and Bimini Blue with the Crystal blue captains chairs)
Now I have never found a model of that truck, but did have and made 2 models of a 88-91 F-350 supercab 460. Was always wanting to modify one of those kits to have the newer front fascia/interior, different super cab windows, no door trim, things like that. Would absolutely love to change out the 460 for the turbo IDI 7.3 too but thats not as important as not many would see that. But yeah, to be able to scan one of those, make the changes I’d like (probably a lot harder than it sounds lol) and 3D print out essentially dad’s exact truck...that would be amazing.
Probably a pipe dream but hey never know
The 3D printing aspect is already being done. By enterprising builders with scanners and printers.
I know a friend who scanned the Troublemaker and printed it out in 1/2 scale for his personal stash. The whole kit.
I still want that Dodge Feverbee model
Love your channel
You got photo-bombed, Steve..! Where can we get the t-shirts and Super Bee jacket from ..?
I really like these model kits episodes....You should do a movie and TV show model kits segment, AMT's 58 Plymouth Fury in Christine , the 67 "4 door" Impala from Supernatural and the 70 dodge Challenger from Vanishing point are just a few examples that come to mind 😉
More model videos please!
Why can’t I have a neighbor like you my neighbors hate cars almost as much as they hate speaking 😂. Love ur channel brother Life is boring with out hot rods
As far as I know, the tooling still exists, but Jon couldn't sell the dies for the high price he wanted, so he let them sit outside for years and they rusted beyond repair. The dies were eventually sold to a new start up model company in Toledo, they reproduced the 71 Sox and Martin Cuda and others replacing the metal axles with plastic, and the 69 Road Runner kit had 1970 seats. Eventually the dies were sold to a man in the Cincinnati Northern Kentucky area. I believe he still has all of the old dies as a reminder of how he made a bad investment. I was told he tried to restore them but was unsuccessful and ran out of funds.
the johan 69 roadrunner is still my favorite kit. I have several
I have the AMT '68 Road Runner kit and it's very nice.
I didnt know you were one of us. I know you as a car guy but car guys are not always model car guys. Good to know.
Best Show !
Hey look! it's the road runner Tony saw in traffic that he wants an asteroid to land on
Turn some of these beauties into drag slotcars.
Hey I love your videos washing from time-to-time thank you for what you do my one great big question is how old is that counter sitting on
I like this video, I like models, I like MOPARS. I'm subbin'
You have quite the “Man Cave” there Steve!
Love old scale models (we build and paint on our channel). Liked and subscribed.
The Johan massacre did not happen until sometime around 1990 when the company lost it's General Motors contract and it was announced that everybody was being let go. Their last run of kits included reissues of the Sox and Martin Superbird and 71 Cuda, a 'Pro Street' series with the same Cuda with different decals, the Pro Stock Comet and a stock 69 SCrambler... They also did a run of Cudas for Testors and that's about it... Look for barcodes on Johan boxes before you drop heavy collector dollar... Not all the tooling was sold for scrap by disgruntled employees. There is an individual said to possess a large amount of the tooling...
I know this person and l guess everybody tends to hate him for some reason or another he is putting out things to buy l have bought some l have known this guy a lot of years l have no problem with him
@@edwardcox2840 What the problem is is he wants to be a man of mystery, not even the people who know him for years know exactly what he's got and I've been told that he is an older gentleman... There's a lot of people in this hobby that wish he was forthcoming or dare I say even moving that tooling on to somebody who is going to do something with it before it's too late. I believe that's the root of the aggravation. You can't take it with you, you know?