The most BRUTAL 12ga. Slug - Try not to WINCE!
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Today we test out a slug called the "Twister". It is a heavy lead slug that fragments into multiple, large pieces on impact. You may remember tests of Twisters with up to 6 petals, and they worked well. But there seemed to be a HUGE difference when the petals are large like these.
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thank you very much Viktor!
Love O.G. lots of humor there.
It ma-ma-ma-makes me Happy.
olny way that it could be better if d was still with us
@@charlesballiet7074 Deez nutz?
The fragmentation in the ballistic gel when it first hits tells it all... excellent power transfer...
Not just power. The more large fragments that are generated, the more likely you are to hit something important, assuming the fragments have weight and velocity enough to penetrate well.
Has to be one of the most impressive fragmenting slugs you have shown. Being able to cast your own makes it even better.
but would this kill you more than a regular slug?)))
@@CoolGobyFish probably a little quicker.
How can one cast these themselves?
Yeah but he used very bad quality gel, it was like jelly. Not supposed to be
@@CoolGobyFish it would kill you the same amount since dead is dead
"Everyone loves exploding over jugs" LMAO I almost wet myself! Tell me that was not the first take!! OG humour is alive and well! "Pork explosion" also epic!
Yet another great TFM vid.
As for home defence, that is going to be one hell of a cleaning bill!
Keep up the great work guys!
Lol yeah we don't script anything out, very casual one-takes is how we do it.
Jeff's channel existed for a long fucking time, still growing steadily and still being relevant in 2022 despite youtube's bullshit. Hats off.
As an older guy I've been damaging my meat for over 50 years and thought id seen it all until I saw The Twister!
Even my Wife of over 22 years was impressed at the Meat Explosion and I can tell you showed a fair amount of excitement watching the Pork Explosion over and over remarking on the Pink Mist, accuracy through a smooth bore and even some mention of an adolescent Gregg and his Music career.
Definitely a One shot, one kill game round for ethical hunting and feral control, Thank You Psycho Klown, Gregg and Jeff.
Tony don't hurt your meat
You aint going to have much left to eat if you hunt with those hahaha
Ironically "Low Drag and High Speed" was the name of an album my band Psyco Twister put out back in '91. Expired Meat, Pork Explosion, Super Sonic Waggle, Fragmenting Slug, and Devastating Power were a few of the songs. Sales of the album were a little underwhelming but we did have a decent local following. Mostly toured in the Charlotte & Upstate SC area.
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My favorite song was spilled guts and shattered bones
I think I saw you at a little dive bar that year. You all wore animal costumes, right? 🤘🦝 I remember that I was.
Watch out OG, you got competition here
@@dotar9586 oh my goodness.
I always find the slow motion of the clay, the gel etc... to be amazing to watch. Crazy how much energy those slugs pack, and how much motion happens in just a fraction of a second
Is that what a body would experience? The trauma of a person's guts going all wonky will be deadly right? It is amazing.
That shot into the gel at the end really made it apparent, that this slug design is definitely a keeper! Great job as always guys and excellent presentation. The expired meat test was an eye opener for sure! Great shooting Jeff and O.G.!
13:11 Ballistic Gel performance!
This might be the perfect round for home defense if you want to still be finding pieces of the guy, who's chest you vaporized in your kitchen 4 mo ago, stuck way up under your refrigerator lol.
10 of my favorite RUclipsrs uploaded today, and I clicked this one first. I love slugs. 🐌
thanks!!
i am more into snails. :D
Next time you could try trimming them more and make some mini-mags!
Wow Jafro I knew I was right to love your videos! Great minds not only think alike but follow the same best channels too!!!!
I don't often shoot my shotguns. I have an Ithaca DS Police Special FL with rifle sites form the 80's or 90's cant remember (old guy brain) and a Side by Side coach gun . I don't have any slugs at the moment. I don't want to shoot trap a the club, Id rather shoot slugs at the 100m range. My coach gun is Modified and Improved chokes I would prefer a cylinder for both.
Dude, that last petal that landed on the table had JUST enough energy to make it all the way thru and land literally less than an inch past the block... SO friggin cool! Slo mo let's you see things that would be absolutely impossible otherwise. I love it quite a bit.
I kinda looked like it stoped then fell out
I saw that too, super gnarly how it was just suspended right outside the back of it. I've never seen anything like that haha.
That was amazing. It fell at a stop while the whole block of gel is being flung over it with lethal force.
This is one of the oldest Russian bear hunting bullets with 12 gauge smoothbore guns. Its inventor was the governor of the Tver province of Tsarist Russia, Prince Shirinsky-Shikhmatov. Few people will remember him as an official, but as a bear hunter and the author of the bullet of the same name, he remained in Russian history for a long time.
That is a fascinating history. I do study the 'evolution' of arms and this has to count.
@Pat Luxor I would use the word 'successful'. I did do some looking, there is a company that sells molds for the described slugs. (Three or four sections as the consumer prefers.) I'm a rifle aficionado, but this does cheer me on. And one notes, the Prince did indeed know about what he did.
Me: I lost weight
My gut: 05:56
Holy shit!!! That is one crazy bad slug. I feel like I need to get an AR-12 and a couple thousand rounds of this for self-defense and to play with! Great job to whomever created this awesome round.
Awsome job loading those slugs. The fragment that was just behind the gel block at the end of the video transferred 100% of its enery to the gel, and then hung in space until gravity made it drop straight down. Very impressive, indeed.
I was distracted by the little hedgehog 🦔 on OG's chin but that slug was devastating on the pork shoulder. Definitely impressive results. Great video Jeff!
thank you Grant. I think that is Gregg's vacation beard
@@taofledermaus He gets vacation again?! Wasn't there an international incident last time?
Will you ever learn...
@@matthewellisor5835 He's going undercover as a tourist again.
@@brentkeller3826 That checks out.
Lol. That’s funny as turd.
actually splitting the pork like that is crazy 8:00 what a display of energy
8:00 . . . it's the timestamp for when it happens _AND_ the number of pieces it splits into!
These frangible slugs are phenomenal, I will say I modified the three petal Svarog mold and converted it to .727 607gn and they shoot phenomenal out of the .72 cal Air rifles. That is plain without the stability wad/seal they fly excellent and are devastating rounds !
Great stuff guys !
This is a great channel. Lots of information, science experiments, physic lessons and intelligent and witty comments.
Thank you!
Wow guys, up to now the only videos I really enjoy are the Hickok45 videos. This is my first time seeing your video and truly enjoyed it. Keep up the good work!!!
Thank you Pedro!
@@taofledermaus you’re very welcome!!!
Absolutely insane round. Imagine this used in a situation with burglary. Gonna have to clean the crook off of every damn wall lmao
Obviously you just sue his family for damages. I mean if the families of criminals sue victims for damages, it's only fair in turn.
Need a LOT of Dawn to clean up that greased greaser...
@@ObservationofLimits you should be able to just blast them without consequences. Criminals deserve nothing less
@@zekethefishgeek8690 lol yeah
They'll bury what's left of ye in a SOOP CAN!
Awesome round. I'd be interested in seeing it in a shorty shell. Powerful rounds with high capacity. Once again another great video
I have more of Klown's slugs to shoot and I'll probably try that.
@@taofledermaus awesome! Might be a excellent home defence option
really would like to see that I think my shotgun holds 7 standard shells or 10 minis.
@@taofledermaus Try the heavier blue Shot-minis. I like them better than the magenta ones, and they only require a small powder charge. I use 18.5 gn International Clays with the green wads, and I can roll crimp 2-1/4" shells.
@@psykoklown874 Oh I will!! The pinkgenta ones worked quite well!
"Exploding on jugs" nice one Greg.
Great neutral production! Yes, that is a compliment. Really nice to see some reasonable people having a day at the range.
Thanks!
Thank you very much Ellis!
Your videos are always educational, entertaining and well shot and edited! Thanks! (no lead plate on this one?)
With expanding slugs, we usually don't shoot the lead plate and focus more on hydro-type targets
@@taofledermaus makes sense because a solid is meant to punch through as far as it can go and a expansion type of projectile is meant to, well, expand dumping it's energy in the first few inches landing a wallop punch de-escalating the threat. Yeah, sounds right to me. I think y'all have this. Great job. Super video's! 👍
Looks like the Twister from a smooth bore demonstrates East Coast ballistics? Very slightly right of center, and nowhere near as high.
lol
LMFAO! I see what you did there, And just in time for Midterms!
Depends on what part of the East Coast. Mid-Atlantic you're looking at almost as left, but definitely not as high.
@@vicroc4 Massachusetts is just as high and left as California. But we do have less worse but still horrible gun laws.
Awesome slug! Thanks for the video. These look like they'd be super effective as a home defense round.
It makes me wonder if using these could get you arrested for how devastating they are. You would think if it was home defence, it wouldn't matter as long as you protected yourself. But I don't put that much faith in the legal system
@@rumdog117 I don’t either, especially in Calunicornia. Since they’re not made from exotic materials and are cast in a commercially available mold, they should be ok. I think a lot of the slugs that Evan makes would be more questionable, since they’re no longer being used for their intended purpose. I’d probably just stick to 00 for home defense, but these would definitely get the job done.
In my opinion, #4 buckshot with an 18" barrel is probably the absolute best for home intruders.
@@HarbingerOfMetal10-67 yeah up close it'd be damn near unsurvivable. I've got some old 3.5" ten gauge #4 buck with 54 pellets (iirc). My old Mag-10, she's a bit long for home defense. I need a RoadBlocker or DeerSlayer barrel, though I do have a hacksaw.
I would think in Canada the use of one of these for defense would be considered premeditated murder. Also one fired by accident or mistake at a loved one would be devastating. The Ottawa police may have a use for these against those nasty bouncy castles.
Based just on what I saw it do to that pork shoulder, I would definitely feel confident that this is a one shot stop on any intruder you get in your home. It will require some significant clean up afterwards however.
This would be a nightmare imagine you have a basketball size cavity in your stomach nobody is getting up from that
The ballistics gel morphing in slow mo was over the top. Wish we could see that again with a dead center hit. Unreal guys, Thanks 4 posting
thanks
WHAT? Rifling didn't make it better? Great video Jeff! Impressive results with this round.
thanks Jason
Rifling makes everything better!!!!
@@Stevie-J Yes, this! I think the rifling was 'unscrewing' the gas block from the round. Left hand screw may also work.
We use ALL the screen. Hell yeah, brother. You guys make a rough week better, everytime. I appreciate the content you guys produce. Thanks guys. I hope you're having a good one. 🤙🏾
Thanks so much for always being amazing
thank you
"Everyone likes exploding on jugs."
-Officer Gregg 2022
Always happy to see a new video from you guys. Impressed that Jeff is still humble and cool enough to promote Greg's channel. Great content, fellas. Keep up the good work. (Oh, and move somewhere cool, like Idaho! California is nice to visit...)
Headed to Idaho soon! But nobody wants Californians in their state.
I’ve been watching for a solid 6 years EVERY night.. had extremely bad reoccurring nightmares. So I would let the videos play on repeat and it’s become such an engrained part of my brain watching the same videos don’t bother me what so ever. It still always notice things I’ve never noticed the 3593 times before 😭😂 beautiful video thanks guys
lol thanks Jordan
how did I miss the notification? YAY! another Taofledermaus video!!! These look totally brutal! Dang that pork exploded! The gel test was a work of spinning twirling flabby art.
Thanks! it's a rare sight when we have an actual clear block of gel!
Thanks guys, interesting as ever. Often when something looks right, it just is right.
I thought a longer tail would be more stable.
However the proportions of the shorter wadding just kind of looked right to my eye & obviously worked well.
An extremely effective projectile but I suspect if you hit something with a standard foster slug it would be just as dead.
That thought about a longer tail just betrays the fact you were "docked" as a puppy ......
Nice slug, the old guys showed me how to cut a # 8 birdshot into a nice slug as well. Cut through the case almost at the bottom of the shot cup and track the cut around the shell to an eighth of an inch from the start of the cut. Works great at 20 yards.
These slo mos are incredible. Never gets old! If I had a lathe I'd make up some cool slugs
That is a staggering dump of kinetic energy. Love you guys. Keep up the good work.
thanks!
I've seen alot of slugs, and that thing is absolutely brutal.
Very impressive. I wish you had tried one on the lead plate.
Very good content guys. You do provide all that you claim to offer.
thanks Sean
Dude need a commercial production of these
0:16 At some point, some kid will figure out that they can rotate their phone 90° and get an image that doesn't look as if they're watching the world through a doorway, and they will call it revolutionary, I guess.
exactly! lol
It would have been interesting if you did a 2 1/2"(or shorter) version to see if the longer one was really needed to transition from chamber to barrel.
I do have more of his slugs (he sent about 100 slugs) and I'll try that.
@@taofledermaus woah, what a legend. we'll be waiting 👍
We need to know how many will fit in the tube (for science)
Or using 3” hulls with more powder, see how much you can push the envelope for velocity and pressure. More velocity equals more energy transferred.
@@taofledermaus got a link to his business? I’d love to try some of those!
Wow, that meat shot was truly impressive! Excellent design for a slug
Those crazy Russians sure know how to design slugs.
You guys have really made a fun channel. Also LE (former) so even better. Thanks guys, love all the tests.
Awesome! Thank you!
In the shot on the ballistics gell you can see a fragment just make it out of the end and hang in mid-air shortly, just barely made it out and hung there ...so cool!!
If the accuracy could be extended to 100 yards or so, I would happily use this slug for deer; the only worry I would have would be wasting meat. That pork test you guys did was freaking AMAZING!
it would definetly waste too much meat
Instant ground beef
WHAT DEER?? It was there a second ago!!
This isn't for hunting animals. This is a man killer, period.🤔😏
@@tristantimothy1004 🤣
"That's a lot of damage!"
Very impressive slugs... 'Pushed' pork looks way cooler than pulled pork, not sure about the taste though😜
Thank you for the video guys
P.S.
I dig that goatee OG, the same color as mine aka the silver fox 👍
thank yoU!!
Flex tape wont fix that! XD
I finally got around to trying out this load (using the green wad). It was surprisingly accurate at 25 yards out of my KSG. 5 shot group in 1 ragged hole. Magnetospeed claimed 1207 f/s avg.
What!? you never shot them before?!!? Or just with the shorter wads?
@@taofledermaus Just this particular load. I'd tried 25.0gn Longshot and some loads using Alliant Steel but was more interested in the 5 and 6 petal versions until I saw this video. Then life issues got in the way of me doing much of anything.
@@psykoklown874 These 3 petal ones really stood out over the ones with more petals.
@@taofledermaus I see that now. My mindset before was "more petals = more better". Sometimes less is more.
@@taofledermaus I tested this load in 2: hulls. The FS12 added 90 f/s avg over the BRP-12 in a 2-3/4" hull. Accuracy was ok but not quite as good, though that could have been me.
I tried my usual load with the 26 gram Shot-mini, but with the FS12 in a 2" hull, and it also added about 90 f/s, and it threw accuracy way off. I'll have to try reworking the powder charge to ~1260 f/s like my usual load.
Solid work clipping a branch at 12:06, I think that's what he was aiming for and the jug got in the way.
I noticed that too! Left a comment myself as I hadn't seen anyone else point it out until I scrolled way the hell down to yours.
I love this channel! The twister is the best I've ever saw!
Unreal. 2 of 3 fragments managed to escape that length of Ballistic gel! Wow!
And on top of that on both shots on the gel block one of the fragments came to a dead stop after just barely leaving the block, left to fall onto the table.
@@CATASTEROID934 I know. it's crazy that it hit that exact point of Kinetic loss.
Those large, heavy petals really changed things up. The 6 petal ones the petals tended to shoot out the side of the gel block.
@@taofledermaus Sounds like 'exit the perp radially, taking out his accomplices...
Investigator "How many rounds did you fire?"
Homeowner "One."
These were loaded perfectly.... even though the pieces did exit the back of the gel block, there wasn't really any energy wasted and they were absolutely devastating.
If I were restricted to a shotgun for defense, these rounds would be at the top of my list.
thanks!
@@taofledermaus seeing as you managed to get it right on the first try I'd say that's skill, not luck...
I love your work... keep it up 👍🏽
Actually, these could have been bumped up quite a bit with more Longshot powder. 27 grains is well below the recommended starting point of 34 grains for Zveroboy slugs, which are basically the same projectile. I load up to 36 grains, and get some amazing velocities.
Thanks for the video! In these inflation-y times, a lot of shooters are concerned about getting the most bang for their buck (12 ga. birdshot rounds are .50 and rising in NM right now). How about something focusing on the most cost effective slug?
Casting slugs like this in the long run would save you money.... AFTER investing in a melt pot, mold, etc. Get a few buddies together to buy that and that might help.
These cost less than $0.50 per round (provided you have the necessary reloading equipment). Range scrap lead is free. Typical factory slugs are at least $1 per round (I've seen $2 lately). I can't imagine what they'd charge for something like these.
The way that gel at the end did a dance while shaving cream can was floating in air was just awesome...
OG is awesome!!! Great video guys.
Thanks for watching. 🤟😎
@@OGsDangerShow 🤙🏼
Sweet slug, great video, and nice shooting 👍
thanks!
Woah, now that is a crazy devastating round. The video really made me wonder more about your loading process. I looked and couldn't seem to find a full vid of yours about the loading process. Lots of times some special things you do to get some of the unique stuff to work, but not the whole process. I know there are others on the net, but frankly you give such good clear common sense explanations, I think you would do an amazing job explaining the basics and why. Any chance or other recommendations?
I know Jeff used to go into a bit more detail about his loading process, but RUclips started demonetizing those videos so he stopped. If you look around, though, you can probably find plenty of videos about loading shotgun rounds.
It irks me to no end that US manufacturers refuse to make 2 1/2" slug loadings.
I thoroughly enjoy your content. Thank you for making your videos. I love the gatekeeper round. This one is pretty good but i would have to go with the gatekeeper.
If you need a pick me up. This channel has its all. Good content and humor. And good ideas for us reloaders. Keep it up, two thumbs up.
thanks Michael
I like these, not over effective, but very little risk of being under effective (as long as you're not shooting out of a rifled barrel).
Could these work as mini slugs? Or is something like that high top crimp needed?
They'd probably do well as a mini. I just wanted to try the mega-crimp thing - not convinced it helps or not.
@@taofledermaus it sure didn't hurt 😂
Not over effective? Did you not see the Pork Shoulder EXPLODE? As would a human shoulder or *head*
@@lemmingscanfly5 maybe his inglish ain't so gud?
I think shorts are the way to go here if you can fit it all in the shell. Minis are amazing because you can fit more in a tube and will perform just as good.
That looks like it would sting a bit lol - that gummy bear 🐻 omg it didn’t know which way to go it was hit so hard ! Bet that pork is tender … if you can find any of it .
Great job to the creator !! Thanks for all the fun treating you guys do. I want some of these
I believe it achieves the affect the engineer wanted. I wouldn't want to take a hit from one of these especially without the armor. Devastating.
Exploding on jugs got me.
Hello from Ukraine! Thanks for support our fight for Liberty and Freedom !!!
Thank you! Good luck
I would love to see some of these types of tests done into non Newtonian fluids. Great video!
The silly putty is classified as non newtonian fluid, but I get where you're going and agree
If there ever is something like a "Zombie Dinosaur Attack", this is the load for you!
I wouldn't want to be hit with one of these, but I wouldn't be upset for long.
true! lol
It was interesting watching the wad come flying across on it's own weird trajectory. I imagine some guy shooting a home invader and telling the cop "I only fired one round at this guy, but I somehow took out his buddy too, I don't understand what happened!".
I still love this channel after all these years. Have told several people about it. I truly miss Danny. Any way to incorporate his equipment once and a while or maybe bring his wife out for a hello. The two of them were lovely
I did a few things from his family, his shotgun, a range finder, and a bunch of stuff to make the lead plates.
@@taofledermaus I saw all that and I thank you very much. There was just something about him that captured everybody's imagination.
7:57 - And here we can see the slug working as intended and upon impact with the target it split into 3+ massive chunks.
Save you the trouble of breaking down your buck.
Holy cow what a slug! & What a amazing video, that was so unbelievably cool, Sure appreciate your efforts and quality content thanks for all you do Luv&Peace...🤝🏼✌🏼
thank you
I don't think there would be enough cow left to create a hole. 🤣
@@cycoholic hahaha that so very true! Lol Great comment Cheers!✌🏼
I'm very impressed. Seems like great for hunting or home defense.
Only if you dont wanna eat the meat.
What game do you go for, Godzilla?
hunting? yeah? Ground meat.
@@joshuajaime8015 what like gophers?
This is the 1st video I've brought myself to watch since his passing. Sorry for not supporting your content. I forgot the joy I get from your videos. Thank you
So far the most impressive slug. Your on a winner with that one.
The damage this slug did to the pork shoulder has me picturing it stopping a charging moose in its tracks. Jeff suggested it would be a good home defense round. Probably so, if your home is ever invaded by a bear or an alligator or any hoofed critter.
I like to have a little more than this for home defense. You're gonna make a mess anyway, so might as well do it right.
@@keithhagler502 aa12 full of these?
I think the shot on that pork shoulder was the most brutal thing I've ever seen. That seemed to be a pretty good indication of how it would perform against an actual threat. WOW!
Probably a bit less overtly messy against a living target, but still catastrophic for whatever it hit.
Very cool test, guys. I wonder how this slug would perform as a 3-1/2 magnum load. Probably pretty gnarly.
Well, you know what they say: There's no kill like overkill.
@@vicroc4 Heck yeah!
The spider running for it's life at 1:49 - love the content TFM.
lol thanks
I bought this mold from AS Molds in Russia after the last video I saw on this. Got all 4 different hollow point inserts for it. Glad I did, I'm not sure how easy it is to get products out of Russia right now.
I love your videos, but I still catch myself hoping that Danny will be the 'launch director'. Is it odd to miss someone that you never met?
Anyhow, in a world of evil bastard rounds, that Twister has to be the most evil bastard of all.
It's still surreal to me too. thanks Brian
There are certain people that have the ability to make you feel like you have known them your whole life and are a close friend even when they don't even know you exist....Danny was one of them and I miss seeing him too.
@@hellbillyBob - Yes, I think that you are spot on there. Thank you.
Yeah, I miss him too.
If someone made those I'd buy the hell out of them!
I mean they make a mold they sell off this, they are from Russia tho so shipping is expensive and lengthy.
Yes very impressive accuracy and devastating destruction for sure! But as a Meet hunter this much Meat destruction is not ideal! One shot kills however insured! Nice video! 😎🎯
thanks Ron
I get the impression that these were developed for bear.
@@psykoklown874 Or feral hogs: First shot stops.
I've been watching and loving your channel for over a decade I'd say, but I literally just blasted my FIRST EVER slugs from my 870 recently. Just as devastating and shocking as I figured, it's just crazy. Now I can officially start down the rabbit hole of trying alllll the slugs 😂
Always like watching this channel. Been watching for a long time. I remember the frist video I ever watched. And I was hooked. I watched for hours that night.
That slug looks like it would be a fun round to test on some hogs.
Instant pulled pork before it even arrives home
That is one of the "Deadliest" rounds you've ever shot! And for the most part, it seemed quite accurate!
Love your channel and your testing video's. I would want this for protection against large bears but I'm not sure it would want to use it on whitetails. Probably too much destruction of good venison. Either way, keep em coming.
that final shot with one leaf just perfectly stopping after exit. one in a million
Clearest gel ever fellas!! Great work!
Knowing is half the battle.... extreme violence is the other half.
As a z fold 3 owner I appreciate you not making it skinny 😭😭😭😭
I hope they produce them commercially! Looks like a fantastic deer round!
I'm thinking they were probably designed for those big old Russian bears.
This entire channel is just "Why? Cause we can thats why!" and i love it
I heard Pork Explosion is touring again. They have a new album called "OG's Spoiled Meat"!