I heard that too! I was listening to the background talk, hearing all kinds of stuff. It's been a long time since I played so, I forgot about the 'intimidation'.
isn´t that just Glitchless? i mean i get it someone might find switching difficulties lame, or memorizing codes dumb, and other things like that, but that´s why categories exist
This is actually my favorite speedrun of any game ever. A type of satirical run, self aware and fun to watch (not to undermine your actual skill). Wish there were more like these. Your channel is great btw!
Jesus Christ, haven't even watched the video yet, but 59 minute video beating system shock 2 with no glitches? Damn, didn't even think it was possible.
DAMN IT. Now I gotta re-install SS2. It's Deus Ex all over. OH GOD. Now I gotta re-install Deus Ex. What's next? Thief?OOHHHHGOD. I gotta re-install Thief 1 and 2. Well, there goes my week. See you all in 6 days.
I like how the crybaby complains about glitches and then, asked to define rules for their ideal speedrun, tell you that you can't engage with half of the game's intended mechanics either.
Dude i come back to this vid every few months cuz its so good. Its so hilarious and the way you explain things is entertaining. Thanks for making this masterpiece
I realize that the majority of these strats are entirely obsolete, but this is one of my favorite speedruns of all time. Maybe it's the commentary that makes it for me.
Been watching your speedruns of SS2 for a while - thanks! Exploits are a fact of life for speedrunning, but reductions by pure skill always seem more impressive to me, and you are obviously very good at those :)
i have absolutely no idea why people don't enjoy glitches in speedruns. it's the main draw for me. if i wanted to just watch someone play a game quickly with no tricks to go faster then i'd just run a let's play at double speed.
Says the guy who has obviously never seen a glitchless speedrun. Guess what, it actually takes skill to go fast in glitchless speedruns. That's the trick.
Doesn't mean he actually watched it. Someone who says that a glitchless speedrun is like a let's play at double speed clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
Some people would say that exploiting glitches in a game is a type of cheating as it's doing something that was never intended to be done by the game's designers. You can't say you're playing Chess when you're using every pawn as though it were a queen. Similarly, you can't say you're speedrunning a certain game when you're not actually playing that game.
0:33 in and I'm triggered. Let's say you own a game, it's your favorite game, you play it all the time. One day you decide to challenge yourself how fast you can play it through from start to finish. Let's say this game is Super Mario Bros, and you get to the level 8-4 where you have to take the right pipes to get to the end. You don't "play dumb" and take the wrong ones deliberately because... whatever.. or like that one part in the level 4-4 where you must take the bottom route. Or like in the level 7-4 (no-warp-pipe run ) where you must take the right *combination* of paths in order to finish. You don't get intentionally the *combination* wrong because you "shouldn't" know them. Get it? A *combination*? Like in a keypad? A *combination* that you know beforehand, which you should somehow conveniently forget. Another example is that if you know that an enemy will spawn first from the door A, then two [whatevers] spawn right behind you. You don't play dumb in those scenarios either. Timing enemies or events are a direct result of this "forbidden knowledge": knowing where to toss a grenade, where to place a box, how long to wait, what dialogue options to choose, what guns to use/keep, what upgrades to get, knowing that you should shoot the green one first. Speedruns are about *knowledge* of the game and mastery of it through that knowledge. It's about beating the game as it is, using its own mechanics against it and with the skill acquired playing the game and games in general. You know what you know, and you apply that to your run, that's why we have individual people running speedruns, because different people have accumulated different knowledge about the game and its rules and mechanics (one of those mechanics might be static passwords) If you know that the game allows you to pass through a wall from a certain point, why wouldn't you use that if you can? Because of honor? Dude, the game is your obstacle and you are trying to get past/beat that obstacle as quickly as possible. *tl;dr: You can play a game for the first time only once. Then after that it's "cheating" if you follow the logic used in those comments.* PS. I myself consider clipping and skipping large portions of a level the dullest parts in speedruns, but to me they aren't cheating. No one cares but: I personally like tricks negating fall damage, outsmarting A.I., timing stunts, doing something before it was intended and using unconventional tricks to gain the upper hand (e.g. intentionally taking damage/even dying, killing an ally, destroying something you shouldn't) Any way now back to the video :D
This is a great comment. Very well said. Lately I've been playing some older games I missed during my childhood and teenage years. Some of these have been games I've had spoiled for me pretty significantly, and some I'm going into pretty much blind. It's a stark difference. When I was streaming Wind Waker recently, several people said something along the lines of "I have no idea how I figured this out as a kid" when watching me figure out puzzles, even though they already knew the solution. Basically my point is, the idea of using foreknowledge in speedrunning being considered "cheating" is completely asinine. As you said, you can only play a game for the first time once. Even if it was years ago and your memory of it is blurry, it's still not even close to the same experience. To be fair, the guy who made the comment I'm responding to w/ this video didn't mention this idea. Maybe I should have made a response to the guy who made that particular comment, since it's actually a lot funnier. But that would have just made this run more tedious so nah.
+M1 This might be a bit redundant reply, but to nail it in I'll post it anyway: The foreknowledge can be as subtle as knowing how much you have to fear the enemies, do they take cover, do they flush you out, with or without grenades, can I run through enemy fire(I think this is very important when doing a speed run on certain games) These are things which you don't know when playing for the very first time. Just after the first playthrough one already knows so many things about he game like: what does the friggin' Super Star do in practice, how good is the shotgun, how many weapons there are, how enemies react to alarms/gunshots/noise, how to take advantage of that, can you hide in vents, is it worth to collect every item, how abundant is ammo/health. Then there is tactile learning like: does the player character stop exactly when needed, or does he/he slide because of the momentum, how much you can control the character mid-air. Some games are much more "stickier" that others, (compare Doom to Amnesia). These are very subtle, and probably unconscious things you learn and get better at, but none the less the experience is different on each playthrough. When the game is new, you have no idea what to expect and to what to pay attention to (that feeling is so great, I love being lost in the game,) but eventually you'll learn the boundaries and the limits of it, then it's about squeezing them tighter, knowing the game and taking every advantage of it.
All that said, I get the main point.. myself. You're absolutely right. You only get that rush once. I might like a certain game but, after that first time through, the 'magic's gone'. I play through some games over and over to expand - if I can - the area. I just know that I missed things from the 1st time. I'm still finding shit in games like Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9. They just packed so much in with side quests and stuff. But, I get what you're saying. Every player is different, as are the runs. I've watched numerous people speed run this game and every one of them was different. Everybody has something to bring to the table. And, ya know what? I STILL suck! Takes me fucking hours to get through this! My problem has always been getting used to a mouse n keyboard. I've always been more comfortable with a controller..so, I suck. I didn't finish Half-Life until it got ported to PS 2. I've missed out on some good shit that didn't get ported too! And, what the hell ever happened to Kingpin?! Remember that one? That was the 'Manhunt' of PC at the time. It just fell off the planet. No port. No remake. Nothing. I hope somebody realizes that at some point. Thanks, Man. I'm with ya on this one!
Hats off to you for not being snarky in your commentary throughout the run. I don't think I would be able to resist the temptation. xD Great run, congrats!
I did, man. Inspired me to try to learn how to speed run this game. I'm having difficulty getting the firs cutscene skip with the light armor. Haven't had a lot of time to practice it haha
Your mouse control, and how quickly you grab things out of corpses, shows great precision. Great speedrun, and great skills. Thanks for sharing. Love this game. 20:00 Your Marie Delacroix needs work haha! It is not the first audio log, the first is the one that gives you the 45100 code to get you out of hard vacuum. :)
My definition of a "speedrun" is trying to complete the game as fast as possible. If that's your goal then I don't see a problem with glitches. But if someone does have a problem just have "speedrun no glitches" and "speedrun with glitches".
I like glitchless runs or no-[specific glitch] runs if it means more fun tricks can be shown off, but even credits warp glitches can be fun to explain sometimes
Just played and finished this for the first time a couple days ago. It's beautiful seeing someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the game just destroy it in a speedrun. Now I didn't find this game as tough or unclear about it's mechanics as most stories I'd heard about it imply it was, but you make it look like a kids toy. Great video.
Yeah that that audiolog from dele troy is pretty funny, thx for the speedrunnin tips. Yeah even tho I play casually the diagonal running is great for getting around the ships. Burst fire is king
BTFO hahahaha The voice acting part killed me. Have you considered grabbing the Game Pig and a game or two and using that to pass the time during the cutscene? That's what I do on my casual playthroughs because it's disrespectful to SHODAN
"These laser turrets can tear you to shreds, but if you have armor piercing ammo and burst mode *POP POP* you can tear them to shreds. Chad moment. Makes me want to try this Crybaby% run.
Great to see you took his challenge and champed through it :D Too bad i didn't see him commenting this video, but didn't want to dig too much. Might actually be fun to see people race different games with rulesets, that are given say a few hours in advance. Would need people to have vast knowledge of the game (like you have), and would probably result in widely varying run strategies by participants.
There are some games people do randomizer races with, I think SS2 would be a really good game for that. If some more people pick up the game I would love to organize that.
As much as I love Zylon and the rest of the SS2 community, I have to take your side on the speedrunning 'rules' people try to force on you. You are by far, hands down, THE best SS2 player I've ever seen. Watching this was truly a privilege. SS2 is my favorite game of all time, my number 2 being the original Deus Ex and my number 3 being Fallout 2. I feel like a piddling idiot watching this, my first SS2 run took me about 7 1/2 - 8 hours to complete, though I was intentionally bumbling around optional areas to explore and loot shit. Now-a-day's I can do an Impossible run in about 3 1/2 hours, and that's trying really fucking hard. Also.. Disruption grenades do NOT get the level bonuses like the other ones (namely frag) do. It's considered Level 6 ammo, so like all Level 6 weapons and other max tier ammo, it benefits 0% from leveling weapon skills. On Heavy level one, disruptions beat Frags, from 3 up, they do NOT. The GL is the most powerful weapon ingame, as it's the level 1 HW so it gets ALL the bonuses to damage from level ups. A Mod 2 GL with Level 6 HW using frags can one shot most enemies in the game. So if that's your theory, you'd be right. Disruptions lose out to frags because unlike frags they get no bonuses from HW skill levels. I believe ADaOB/SCP fixes this issue, but the vanilla game has it in full force.
Hey thanks, I'm glad you liked the run. To be fair, "the rest of the SS2 community" hasn't really given me any shit. Other than the screenshots I showed in the video I think I got maybe 2 other negative comments. Also I think my first playthrough was like double that time, so yeah that sounds pretty good actually lol
SCP does, yeah. Not sure about ADaOB; I never read the changelog that closely, and ever since it got merged into SCP I can't go look lol I will say one thing that I think is kinda poo, talking about SCP/ADadOB, is that between versions (either between the transition from ADaOB to SCP or between an earlier version of SCP to a later version) the devs changed the Assault Rifle from a Level 3 SW to a Level 6 SW. So sadly I can no longer go Navy (SW, Agility, Hack) and never touch SW and put those points elsewhere more useful lol. Of course in my most recent playthrough I decided to just use the console to give myself a bunch of points so I could build my character the way I wanted. So.
God bless spite man, it produces so many amazing things. I love spite. I thoroughly enjoyed this. silverbolt coyote has been pwned the hardest anyone ever has in the history of ownership, since the concept of property was invented by man in prehistory.
I agree with the premise behind this, I miss the old impossible% with no OoB, as you had to actually learn most of the game and the route rather than engineering, hydro then OoB.
I agree, inbounds route is the best route. I have my own opinions about what routes/rules are best for various runs, this vid was just to make fun of the people who get mad or act like assholes about people running any%.
Well there are always going to be those who just want to do any% and go for the fastest time possible no matter the strat/route, and then those of us who want to actually have to learn more tricks and more of the game, it's more fun to show off "How to play the game the way it was intended - but fast" Or at least with as few sequence breaks as possible and with no Out of Bounds which can ruin some runs and in the case of games like Zelda games can make runs.
I've been replaying System Shock 2 for like the 5th time or so lately, so watching an hour long video of someone else playing it is still way shorter than my actual playthrough... even if it's not his 12 minute runs. ;)
I coudnt bring myself to finish this game, Body of the many was just to much, i finished alien isolation in the hardest difficuty (nightmare i supose) and that didnt stress me as much as this game, you sir are very talented.
I know it`s not the way of speed runners, and I respect the speed-running community, but I really enjoyed this video than other speed-running videos. I wanted to see the tactics without sequence breaking, and that was fantastic to me. I reapet, I respect the way speed runners take, But this is enjoyable to an audience like me. Actually, In japanese, there is a "Sibari play"(which means self-tighten) style, The player makes ridiculous conditions themselves and plays with that conditions. I prefer that kind of things so ... You didn`t like this run, and I understand. But thanks for making this video. It was a great hour to me.
Yeah, the kid who provoked this video must have assumed you didn't know SS2 inside and out because the typical "Any %" run uses an array of shortcuts and exploits. That, as it turns out, was a mistake. Great play-through, by the way.
Okay now do a speedrun of ss2 that lasts at least 40 hours because I can't beat the game in less than 30 hours and you're making me feel self conscious
after raging at the game and throwing my grenades at the cyber assassins after choking shodan for a minute after a 13:30 pace run, i can confirm that you only need 4 heavy and level 1 modified gl to oneshot them. great meme
This was brilliant. System Shock 2 is one of my all-time favorites, so naturally I loved watching you crush it (even if it is three years later; hey, I just started playing again). The thing I love about watching speedruns is not only learning to play the game better casually - I will never have to caliber to run this game like you do, M1 - but that I learn where to find a lot of items I've missed over the years that could be super helpful. Also, I straight-up considered OSA a bullshit class until I watched you trash the game in your other run as an Agent. I might try that myself someday. Great seeing you play at GDQ, M1. Love your commentary. Curious: did you submit SS2 but it was rejected? Or do you think it's just not worth the effort and you have better games to show off? I know SS2 has more of a niche following than most games (albeit an EXTREMELY dedicated following). Which begs another question: have you tried running the patched versions? Without the graphical updates, perhaps, as they seriously bloat your load times. The SCP fixes some of the issues you were describing, like the sub-par disruption grenades. Maybe you've already posted a vid; I'll check when I'm done with the last few minutes of this one. Edit: Just found the 2012 run, so never mind the GDQ question.
I forgot to respond to this cause I have brain problems. Yeah iirc this particular run is actually on the gog version. I used to do runs on the unpatched version, and strictly speaking, an any% run is very slightly faster that way, but I haven't bothered for a long time. I also ran SS2 at AGDQ 2018 (I think that's the year???). Anyway thanks for the kind words. Knowing where to get useful items early on is a big part of the appeal of replaying this game, speedrunning or not.
No PSI is a pretty stupid rule considering they're an intended part of the game. Ditto melee. I personally think the invincibility glitch is kinda lame though. Even so, routing and accurate movement require skill. I'd like to see the whiny pricks beat accomplished speed runners on glitched Any%. It's like people who get winded going to the fridge for another beer shouting advice at professional athletes on TV.
It's sad that I have to admit this, but I haven't beaten this game yet, so I will just wait until after I reclaim my GOG account to finish watching this.
Why do you go so slowly? Do you think this is some kind of game?
Are You always this slow, insect?
I heard that too! I was listening to the background talk, hearing all kinds of stuff. It's been a long time since I played so, I forgot about the 'intimidation'.
I hope Intended% becomes a thing for games that'd be a great meme.
I mean, he was technically abusing meta-knowledge of the door passwords, so he only gets partial intended% credit in my opinion
There's classic% in gta speedrunning which disallows mission skipping, save abuses and taxi drive skips
or crybaby percent
isn´t that just Glitchless? i mean i get it someone might find switching difficulties lame, or memorizing codes dumb, and other things like that, but that´s why categories exist
tfw you waste an hour of your life proving an anonymous 14 year old wrong on the Internet (jk, no time is wasted on System Shock)
Probably the most productive hour of my life
M1 i like the way you roll
M1 to be fair it's glorious how you still complete the game so quickly even with all those restrictions.
M1 I would take many hours to complete the game
Oh man I can't help but notice that Silverbolt Coyote never replied to this video.
XD
I wonder why 🤔
@@xCynder hes propably shitting on another speedrunners or searching for glitch runs and then cry about it in the comments xd
21:12 Thats a glitch, so the run doesnt count
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Lol
I have this glitch too
This is actually my favorite speedrun of any game ever. A type of satirical run, self aware and fun to watch (not to undermine your actual skill). Wish there were more like these. Your channel is great btw!
Thanks a lot buddy. I would also like to see other speedrunners make up a category to mock haters.
Jesus Christ, haven't even watched the video yet, but 59 minute video beating system shock 2 with no glitches?
Damn, didn't even think it was possible.
Best speed runs are ones without glitches and played properly
@@Deadsmegma false
@@Deadsmegma then watch the no glitch category, it exists for a reason
*Complain about something*
*Guy roasts you with a speedrun*
Would suck to be Silverbolt Coyote.
4 years later I bet he was never seen from again.....
If anyone has a problem with glitch speedruns, then don't watch them, go and watch "no glitch" speedruns
Yeah it's like....go for the category that suits you.
But those people have no brains to think so they complain regardless.
DAMN IT. Now I gotta re-install SS2. It's Deus Ex all over. OH GOD. Now I gotta re-install Deus Ex. What's next? Thief?OOHHHHGOD. I gotta re-install Thief 1 and 2.
Well, there goes my week. See you all in 6 days.
@@B-26354 Take out Tiberium Dawn, add Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 and you have my standard playlist.
Only 6?
@@B-26354 I got got almost the same, just Red Alert 2 instead of Tiberium Dawn.
Looks like he...stepped through the looking glass. :D
It's been six years, please tell us your theory on why Disruption grenades act the way they do, and why that one cyborg assassin is such an idiot
I like how the crybaby complains about glitches and then, asked to define rules for their ideal speedrun, tell you that you can't engage with half of the game's intended mechanics either.
uhhhh melee is CLEARLY a glitch, no developers would INTENTIONALLY code the ability for players to hit enemies with objects.
Well done insect, you really showed that pathetic creature of meat and bone.
I really need to play through SS2 again.
Haha i automatically read your comment with Ragnaross voice ^^ WELL DONE INSECT!
And I think that there should be a mod for Heartstone, changing Ragnaros into SHODAN
"Die, Insect!"
I came for panting and sweating as you ru-run through her corridors
I got a "how can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine"
t-t-t-ten out of ten
That delacroix impression was spot on my man
Thanks, I practiced hard.
Crybaby% is my new fave. Thanks bro! More games needs this.
...Perhaps Shodan/Polito was right in being upset at use for being so "slow."
this is one of the most hilarious flexes ive seen. good shit, I hope you had fun with your crybaby% run.
Thanks man, I did
Dude i come back to this vid every few months cuz its so good. Its so hilarious and the way you explain things is entertaining. Thanks for making this masterpiece
Glad you like it so much, thank you.
I realize that the majority of these strats are entirely obsolete, but this is one of my favorite speedruns of all time. Maybe it's the commentary that makes it for me.
Thanks. There's no doubt that running "arbitrary" categories like this can bring out some interesting strats, obsolete or not.
M1 if the category is fun for you then you should do more of them...I found it really interesting to watch. You wreaked system shock 2 lol
I'm sure some keyboard warriors would consider "knowing the codes ahead of time" to be an exploit
2021 - just replaying my all time favourite game, so I found your speedruns. really love it.
Thanks, and I'm so glad you appreciate the game. Have fun.
Been watching your speedruns of SS2 for a while - thanks! Exploits are a fact of life for speedrunning, but reductions by pure skill always seem more impressive to me, and you are obviously very good at those :)
Watching you speedrun one of my favorite games of all time is making me feel a certain way. Subbed
I'm glad to finally see a "real" speedrun
he's joking m8
woosh
Remember that it is my will that guided you here.
i have absolutely no idea why people don't enjoy glitches in speedruns. it's the main draw for me. if i wanted to just watch someone play a game quickly with no tricks to go faster then i'd just run a let's play at double speed.
Says the guy who has obviously never seen a glitchless speedrun. Guess what, it actually takes skill to go fast in glitchless speedruns. That's the trick.
He made this comment on a glitchless speedrun...
Doesn't mean he actually watched it. Someone who says that a glitchless speedrun is like a let's play at double speed clearly doesn't know what they're talking about.
I agree. A speedrun for me is all about to go as fast as possible. Glitches should be allowed in a speedrun. Cheating is a different story.
Some people would say that exploiting glitches in a game is a type of
cheating as it's doing something that was never intended to be done by the game's designers. You can't say you're playing Chess when you're using every pawn as though it were a queen.
Similarly, you can't say you're speedrunning a certain game when you're not actually playing that game.
Come back to this video every so often to have a good chuckle.
1 crybaby disliked this video
already 2. Looks like they're multiplying like bacteria
8 now. Slowly they are growing.
32 crybabies
This is amazing, and great commentary along the way!
18:08
It wouldn't be a proper speedrun without a "literally never happened". God bless.
wow m1 great moves keep up the good work proud of u
0:33 in and I'm triggered. Let's say you own a game, it's your favorite game, you play it all the time. One day you decide to challenge yourself how fast you can play it through from start to finish.
Let's say this game is Super Mario Bros, and you get to the level 8-4 where you have to take the right pipes to get to the end. You don't "play dumb" and take the wrong ones deliberately because... whatever.. or like that one part in the level 4-4 where you must take the bottom route. Or like in the level 7-4 (no-warp-pipe run ) where you must take the right *combination* of paths in order to finish. You don't get intentionally the *combination* wrong because you "shouldn't" know them.
Get it? A *combination*? Like in a keypad? A *combination* that you know beforehand, which you should somehow conveniently forget.
Another example is that if you know that an enemy will spawn first from the door A, then two [whatevers] spawn right behind you. You don't play dumb in those scenarios either. Timing enemies or events are a direct result of this "forbidden knowledge": knowing where to toss a grenade, where to place a box, how long to wait, what dialogue options to choose, what guns to use/keep, what upgrades to get, knowing that you should shoot the green one first.
Speedruns are about *knowledge* of the game and mastery of it through that knowledge. It's about beating the game as it is, using its own mechanics against it and with the skill acquired playing the game and games in general. You know what you know, and you apply that to your run, that's why we have individual people running speedruns, because different people have accumulated different knowledge about the game and its rules and mechanics (one of those mechanics might be static passwords) If you know that the game allows you to pass through a wall from a certain point, why wouldn't you use that if you can? Because of honor? Dude, the game is your obstacle and you are trying to get past/beat that obstacle as quickly as possible.
*tl;dr: You can play a game for the first time only once. Then after that it's "cheating" if you follow the logic used in those comments.*
PS. I myself consider clipping and skipping large portions of a level the dullest parts in speedruns, but to me they aren't cheating. No one cares but: I personally like tricks negating fall damage, outsmarting A.I., timing stunts, doing something before it was intended and using unconventional tricks to gain the upper hand (e.g. intentionally taking damage/even dying, killing an ally, destroying something you shouldn't)
Any way now back to the video :D
This is a great comment. Very well said.
Lately I've been playing some older games I missed during my childhood and teenage years. Some of these have been games I've had spoiled for me pretty significantly, and some I'm going into pretty much blind. It's a stark difference.
When I was streaming Wind Waker recently, several people said something along the lines of "I have no idea how I figured this out as a kid" when watching me figure out puzzles, even though they already knew the solution. Basically my point is, the idea of using foreknowledge in speedrunning being considered "cheating" is completely asinine. As you said, you can only play a game for the first time once. Even if it was years ago and your memory of it is blurry, it's still not even close to the same experience.
To be fair, the guy who made the comment I'm responding to w/ this video didn't mention this idea. Maybe I should have made a response to the guy who made that particular comment, since it's actually a lot funnier. But that would have just made this run more tedious so nah.
+M1
This might be a bit redundant reply, but to nail it in I'll post it anyway:
The foreknowledge can be as subtle as knowing how much you have to fear the enemies, do they take cover, do they flush you out, with or without grenades, can I run through enemy fire(I think this is very important when doing a speed run on certain games) These are things which you don't know when playing for the very first time.
Just after the first playthrough one already knows so many things about he game like: what does the friggin' Super Star do in practice, how good is the shotgun, how many weapons there are, how enemies react to alarms/gunshots/noise, how to take advantage of that, can you hide in vents, is it worth to collect every item, how abundant is ammo/health.
Then there is tactile learning like: does the player character stop exactly when needed, or does he/he slide because of the momentum, how much you can control the character mid-air. Some games are much more "stickier" that others, (compare Doom to Amnesia). These are very subtle, and probably unconscious things you learn and get better at, but none the less the experience is different on each playthrough.
When the game is new, you have no idea what to expect and to what to pay attention to (that feeling is so great, I love being lost in the game,) but eventually you'll learn the boundaries and the limits of it, then it's about squeezing them tighter, knowing the game and taking every advantage of it.
It's a bit like some teachers that tell you off for knowing things you shouldn't have learnt yet.
All that said, I get the main point.. myself. You're absolutely right. You only get that rush once. I might like a certain game but, after that first time through, the 'magic's gone'. I play through some games over and over to expand - if I can - the area. I just know that I missed things from the 1st time. I'm still finding shit in games like Final Fantasy 7, 8 or 9. They just packed so much in with side quests and stuff. But, I get what you're saying. Every player is different, as are the runs. I've watched numerous people speed run this game and every one of them was different. Everybody has something to bring to the table. And, ya know what? I STILL suck! Takes me fucking hours to get through this! My problem has always been getting used to a mouse n keyboard. I've always been more comfortable with a controller..so, I suck. I didn't finish Half-Life until it got ported to PS 2. I've missed out on some good shit that didn't get ported too! And, what the hell ever happened to Kingpin?! Remember that one? That was the 'Manhunt' of PC at the time. It just fell off the planet. No port. No remake. Nothing. I hope somebody realizes that at some point. Thanks, Man. I'm with ya on this one!
Nice work on the run. You're beating my time by about 12 hours.
Hats off to you for not being snarky in your commentary throughout the run. I don't think I would be able to resist the temptation. xD Great run, congrats!
one of my all time faves, great job man
I just finished the game today and my first reflex was to check out what the speedrun looks like, nice video dude!
I'm only 3 minutes into this video so far, and I already know I'm going to love this video.
hope you enjoyed
I did, man. Inspired me to try to learn how to speed run this game. I'm having difficulty getting the firs cutscene skip with the light armor. Haven't had a lot of time to practice it haha
Your love for Robocop is appreciated.
Your mouse control, and how quickly you grab things out of corpses, shows great precision. Great speedrun, and great skills. Thanks for sharing. Love this game. 20:00 Your Marie Delacroix needs work haha! It is not the first audio log, the first is the one that gives you the 45100 code to get you out of hard vacuum. :)
Hey thanks, that's so kind of you. Also, I think I meant to say the first log you find of Delacroix in particular.
Nice run and good on you for providing a run with these rules.
This is amazing. Best speed run I've ever seen. Hot damn.
Gonna have to start trying to speed run this game. Not to be competitive but simply because it's one of my favorite games so...why not.
My definition of a "speedrun" is trying to complete the game as fast as possible. If that's your goal then I don't see a problem with glitches. But if someone does have a problem just have "speedrun no glitches" and "speedrun with glitches".
William Gregg So its just any% and glitchless
I like glitchless runs or no-[specific glitch] runs if it means more fun tricks can be shown off, but even credits warp glitches can be fun to explain sometimes
Just played and finished this for the first time a couple days ago. It's beautiful seeing someone with an encyclopedic knowledge of the game just destroy it in a speedrun. Now I didn't find this game as tough or unclear about it's mechanics as most stories I'd heard about it imply it was, but you make it look like a kids toy. Great video.
Yeah that that audiolog from dele troy is pretty funny, thx for the speedrunnin tips. Yeah even tho I play casually the diagonal running is great for getting around the ships. Burst fire is king
the strafe-running being faster thing is actually a very well-known quirk of the Dark Engine, both Old and New. It's just baked in. I don't know why.
Amazing speed run for still one of the greatest game of all time. One of the best speed runs of all time.
Thanks a lot!
Dude you're the best.
BTFO hahahaha
The voice acting part killed me. Have you considered grabbing the Game Pig and a game or two and using that to pass the time during the cutscene? That's what I do on my casual playthroughs because it's disrespectful to SHODAN
Acquire pistols, disregard monster's.
I'm coming after this record.
Please no
would like to see this speedrun again but having to find the appropriate code audio logs, Ultimate Crybaby Speedrun.
"These laser turrets can tear you to shreds, but if you have armor piercing ammo and burst mode *POP POP* you can tear them to shreds.
Chad moment. Makes me want to try this Crybaby% run.
The protocol droid at 40:05 made me laugh. It just waved at you when you turned to face it.
That burst-mode,though!
I just beat this game last year. So amazing. Nice run.
Thanks, glad you like the game!
I love the level of spite that went into making this run lmao.
subscribed out of respect for the skill and the attitude towards that moron that inspired this run. that, and you're really fun to watch!
Appreciated. Hopefully I can upload more stuff soon.
Great to see you took his challenge and champed through it :D Too bad i didn't see him commenting this video, but didn't want to dig too much.
Might actually be fun to see people race different games with rulesets, that are given say a few hours in advance. Would need people to have vast knowledge of the game (like you have), and would probably result in widely varying run strategies by participants.
There are some games people do randomizer races with, I think SS2 would be a really good game for that. If some more people pick up the game I would love to organize that.
“Why do you go so slowly?” Shut up, SHODAN 😂
As much as I love Zylon and the rest of the SS2 community, I have to take your side on the speedrunning 'rules' people try to force on you.
You are by far, hands down, THE best SS2 player I've ever seen. Watching this was truly a privilege. SS2 is my favorite game of all time, my number 2 being the original Deus Ex and my number 3 being Fallout 2.
I feel like a piddling idiot watching this, my first SS2 run took me about 7 1/2 - 8 hours to complete, though I was intentionally bumbling around optional areas to explore and loot shit. Now-a-day's I can do an Impossible run in about 3 1/2 hours, and that's trying really fucking hard.
Also..
Disruption grenades do NOT get the level bonuses like the other ones (namely frag) do. It's considered Level 6 ammo, so like all Level 6 weapons and other max tier ammo, it benefits 0% from leveling weapon skills. On Heavy level one, disruptions beat Frags, from 3 up, they do NOT. The GL is the most powerful weapon ingame, as it's the level 1 HW so it gets ALL the bonuses to damage from level ups. A Mod 2 GL with Level 6 HW using frags can one shot most enemies in the game.
So if that's your theory, you'd be right. Disruptions lose out to frags because unlike frags they get no bonuses from HW skill levels.
I believe ADaOB/SCP fixes this issue, but the vanilla game has it in full force.
Hey thanks, I'm glad you liked the run.
To be fair, "the rest of the SS2 community" hasn't really given me any shit. Other than the screenshots I showed in the video I think I got maybe 2 other negative comments. Also I think my first playthrough was like double that time, so yeah that sounds pretty good actually lol
SCP does, yeah. Not sure about ADaOB; I never read the changelog that closely, and ever since it got merged into SCP I can't go look lol
I will say one thing that I think is kinda poo, talking about SCP/ADadOB, is that between versions (either between the transition from ADaOB to SCP or between an earlier version of SCP to a later version) the devs changed the Assault Rifle from a Level 3 SW to a Level 6 SW.
So sadly I can no longer go Navy (SW, Agility, Hack) and never touch SW and put those points elsewhere more useful lol.
Of course in my most recent playthrough I decided to just use the console to give myself a bunch of points so I could build my character the way I wanted. So.
zylonbane and voodoo47 are such nerds lol
I WANT TO HUG M1
I don't know why I just now got a notification for this comment but I want to hug you too.
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I'm just here to say when you put "man" in quotes, I felt that.
Increase video speed to 2.
Wow! That is a damn good speed run.
God bless spite man, it produces so many amazing things. I love spite. I thoroughly enjoyed this. silverbolt coyote has been pwned the hardest anyone ever has in the history of ownership, since the concept of property was invented by man in prehistory.
Unironically a good category (minus the lack of cutscene skips)
6 years later i find this and its gonna make me watch robocop for the first time.
The first time? Hope you enjoy.
I agree with the premise behind this, I miss the old impossible% with no OoB, as you had to actually learn most of the game and the route rather than engineering, hydro then OoB.
I agree, inbounds route is the best route. I have my own opinions about what routes/rules are best for various runs, this vid was just to make fun of the people who get mad or act like assholes about people running any%.
Well there are always going to be those who just want to do any% and go for the fastest time possible no matter the strat/route, and then those of us who want to actually have to learn more tricks and more of the game, it's more fun to show off "How to play the game the way it was intended - but fast" Or at least with as few sequence breaks as possible and with no Out of Bounds which can ruin some runs and in the case of games like Zelda games can make runs.
You slowly but surely do become Robo-Cop in the game from all the Cyber Mods
Impressing and entertaining. Respect :)
Speedrunning for in-in insects
DEAD OR ALIVE YOU'RE COMING WITH ME
ya know, SS2 might kinda be before my time but i really appreciate the classics (and the history behind them)
I respect speedrunners even more now
Oh man this is going to be good
Huh, this game really aged well.
I hope you're happy to know this is the very first SS2 speedrun I've ever seen. Thanks for that. Also Based for Robocop.
Yeah I am, thank you.
Here 6 years later.
man, I don't have time for this. that 12 min one was waaayyyy better
I've been replaying System Shock 2 for like the 5th time or so lately, so watching an hour long video of someone else playing it is still way shorter than my actual playthrough... even if it's not his 12 minute runs. ;)
How could I not have found this a year ago, r.i.p QwQ
I also want to run like a crybaby.
Exploits are one of the main reasons speedruns are so good though...
I coudnt bring myself to finish this game, Body of the many was just to much, i finished alien isolation in the hardest difficuty (nightmare i supose) and that didnt stress me as much as this game, you sir are very talented.
I know it`s not the way of speed runners, and I respect the speed-running community, but I really enjoyed this video than other speed-running videos. I wanted to see the tactics without sequence breaking, and that was fantastic to me. I reapet, I respect the way speed runners take, But this is enjoyable to an audience like me. Actually, In japanese, there is a "Sibari play"(which means self-tighten) style, The player makes ridiculous conditions themselves and plays with that conditions. I prefer that kind of things so ...
You didn`t like this run, and I understand. But thanks for making this video. It was a great hour to me.
Yeah, the kid who provoked this video must have assumed you didn't know SS2 inside and out because the typical "Any %" run uses an array of shortcuts and exploits.
That, as it turns out, was a mistake. Great play-through, by the way.
Low-key had some Janeway feels about Polito...Champ enters cooldown mode...👌
Okay now do a speedrun of ss2 that lasts at least 40 hours because I can't beat the game in less than 30 hours and you're making me feel self conscious
nice run man
after raging at the game and throwing my grenades at the cyber assassins after choking shodan for a minute after a 13:30 pace run, i can confirm that you only need 4 heavy and level 1 modified gl to oneshot them. great meme
Guy speedrunning, meanwhile (Shodan): Are you awlays this slow?
CONGRATZ!! =)
Thanks.
This was a great watch. Kind of a shame your world record video is like 20k views behind this one. No justice in the world!
This one is more interesting, the guy had a point I guess.
I would like a no glitch speed run, but still nice job
That's the Trioptimum way!
This was brilliant. System Shock 2 is one of my all-time favorites, so naturally I loved watching you crush it (even if it is three years later; hey, I just started playing again). The thing I love about watching speedruns is not only learning to play the game better casually - I will never have to caliber to run this game like you do, M1 - but that I learn where to find a lot of items I've missed over the years that could be super helpful. Also, I straight-up considered OSA a bullshit class until I watched you trash the game in your other run as an Agent. I might try that myself someday.
Great seeing you play at GDQ, M1. Love your commentary. Curious: did you submit SS2 but it was rejected? Or do you think it's just not worth the effort and you have better games to show off? I know SS2 has more of a niche following than most games (albeit an EXTREMELY dedicated following). Which begs another question: have you tried running the patched versions? Without the graphical updates, perhaps, as they seriously bloat your load times. The SCP fixes some of the issues you were describing, like the sub-par disruption grenades. Maybe you've already posted a vid; I'll check when I'm done with the last few minutes of this one.
Edit: Just found the 2012 run, so never mind the GDQ question.
I forgot to respond to this cause I have brain problems. Yeah iirc this particular run is actually on the gog version. I used to do runs on the unpatched version, and strictly speaking, an any% run is very slightly faster that way, but I haven't bothered for a long time. I also ran SS2 at AGDQ 2018 (I think that's the year???).
Anyway thanks for the kind words. Knowing where to get useful items early on is a big part of the appeal of replaying this game, speedrunning or not.
2017. Not your best work, but still a fun ride. Sorry about that tilt, man. You did get the Many skip first try, which is pretty lit
No PSI is a pretty stupid rule considering they're an intended part of the game. Ditto melee. I personally think the invincibility glitch is kinda lame though. Even so, routing and accurate movement require skill. I'd like to see the whiny pricks beat accomplished speed runners on glitched Any%. It's like people who get winded going to the fridge for another beer shouting advice at professional athletes on TV.
It's sad that I have to admit this, but I haven't beaten this game yet, so I will just wait until after I reclaim my GOG account to finish watching this.
I advise you don't come back until you beat it so you get the proper blind experience. Hope you enjoy finishing the game!
i loved. this thanks a lot.
Real speedrun. Gratz man!
lol my first time it took more than 59 minutes just to get to the maintenance hatch