Something happened in Episode 2 of The Acolyte that is purposely being withheld from us. Yet a trailer might have spoiled it. #StarWars #Disney #TheAcolyte
The actor must've read the script and went ok I didn't read the script before I signed up now that I did your writing me dead in this I'm just gonna give up
This show doesn't seem to understand how to build anticipation at all. You don't just confuse people and assume they'll be invested in getting an explanation later. Four episodes in I still don't know who any of these people are or why I should care about them.
@@waterbug314 The show builds anticipation by withholding information so you wonder "What's going on here? I want to know more." If you reveal everything at once there's no reason to think about anything and you just move on to the next episode.
@@rorrschach8339 Of course. But you want to give your characters a sense of identity and purpose while they uncover new information. You don't withhold character or plot and hope your viewer is just invested by default bc of the ip.
@@rorrschach8339 as a writer, I can tell you: You're wrong. Anticipation isn't built by withholding information; withholding information is how you show complete disregard for your audience, and, ultimately, your fans. Anticipation is built on revealing information, i.e. character growth and plot progression. Please, stop. This is a trash tv show made by and for brainlets who are focused not on the stories of old, but desecrating them, while crying victim. To completely eschew the plot points of where this show has to go, in favor of identity politics, poor writing, poor acting - poor production, overall; only to blame failure on the fans is nothing short of hilarious. There are continuity errors caused - and created by - this era of "StAr WaRs".
@@ineedanewname5716 why didn't dude just let strong female antagonist kill him if he felt so bad? It's a shit plot device for people who drool on themselves
Well, the conclave of space-lesbians were the remnants of a Force Cult that the Jedi wiped out the rest of Maybe he came to realise that belonging to a genocidal theocracy that thinks it can own The Force made him a bad guy?
But if he was under the control of the witches... why would he blame himself?? Because he wasn't strong enough to resist?? That's a weak reason, he was a padawan.
That's literally the entirety of the Jedi Handbook right there. He was used to destroy and inflict carnage/chaos seemingly. As a Jedi, he is supposed to do good. He is of course going to feel bad about what he did and not let that go. And Jedi may say to let that go but when have Jedi ever let things go without feeling some shred of negativity in the process?
I think we are trying to make sense in a scene where: - The writers don't know Star Wars, and/or they can't write. - The actors don't even know what the show is. - Multiple reshoots over and over again where each scene may potentially not link up with the other. - The staff used the 180 million to go on vacations and accept a poorly made scene. In other words, it doesn't make sense because there's no logic to it anyway. It would be like writing a scene where Palpatine fights for his life and then purposely jumps into a pit of lava because "Why not?"
I got off the bus at episode 3 but they will reveal the Jedi slaughtered the witches without cause, setting events in motion. The Jedi will be evil for their rigid force doctrines. Or something like that.
Well whether or not the Jedi finished them off before The Fire incident is sort of immaterial, bog picture wise... the conclave was the last survivors of a sect that the Jedi had already wiped out
@@jamesperkins191 According to the head witch. We have not seen any evidence to support her assertions. indeed, the witches were terribly calm about the Jedi showing up on their doorstep.
judging from kelnaca's eyes he was being used by the witches much like Torbin was, he injures torbin and comes to his senses. It's possible that after kelnaca regains himself he goes into a rage and starts killing the witches, Torbin cowers and lets him masacre the coven until Master Indara stops Kelnaca. Kelnaca is horrified at his rage, and exiles himself much like a madclaw wookie is outcasted, this is why he is robless, lightsaberless, and living as far away from living sapient beings with a sign stay away as his regret and shame over his rage. Torbin went into silence and deep meditation as his way of closing his mind and eyes to Kelnaca's rage, trying to find inner peace and reason if he was a coward or also secretly desiring the coven to die after what they did to him and forced kelnacca to do to him.
While im sure the rest of the episodes will explain better. Its still really odd to think a jedi would “seppaku” over something that “may not be his fault” Like yeah we havent seen the actual story to know if he has real blame. But like being mind controlled isnt your fault and i assume “jedi wisdom/training” would teach one to let go of such feelings and channel it into being a better jedi for the people. Not hide away in meditation for a decade and not speak to anyone. Basically running away from a problem and not owning up to it: a very un-jedi-like move. Then to top it off with suicide just give a really bad taste with all of it. But sure I’ll watch all the episodes and see how the remedy this (they probably cant)
My guess is that Torbin and the others decided to attack the witches, but the Wookie disagreed with their decision and tried to defend the witches. so the reason he lives alone in the forest is because he dislikes the jedi now
The witches didnt look like they were killed by the fire. He mysteriously ends up with scar at a very susuptious crime scene, flees to a backwater planet and takes a vow of silence. Yeah he totally killed them.
I feel like, if we didn't see everything there was to see in the flashback... What was the point of showing it in the first place??? Episode 3 felt like showing info we had already been told already, which is a waste of time for an 8 episode show. The fact that there's "more" to be revealed from what was entirely a filler episode is really ineffective storytelling.
I highly disagree with your take on the episode. If anything this follows a certain trope in writing that is seen every now and again with differing execution. Episode 3 very much set the stage + gave us the perspective of the main character. We got to see what THEY went through during what is essentially an intersecting+driving point for many of these characters and events. And it was quite obvious from the episode that we didn't see everything as it was just one person's viewpoint. I mean- all of those people just dead, from what? And the Jedi being there already and seemingly frazzled. As the story progresses we are no doubt going to be seeing more perspectives, more layers, more pieces to the puzzle being filled in. We will see what the Jedi involvement actually was, if this Sith had any part in it, and so forth. What we see could totally change the meaning of the entire event.
@@AStormsong fair point, but if so much time is going to be given to the different perspectives of what happened on brendok, it needs to actually be interesting first and foremost. i didn't think the events of episode 3 should have covered a whole episode. showing is not inherently better than telling, showing takes a lot more steps and it needs to be compelling enough to use all the screentime necessary. i do hope i change my mind on this when we see what actually happened but this is my opinion at the moment. i really want to enjoy this show, and i do in a lot of areas, but even as "an acolyte fan" i'm disappointed.
Because the writers are awfully inadequate at storytelling. The acolyte is obviously trying to use the "unreliable narrator" trope to plant mystery, false flag, and red herring. Misdirect is virtually the most important technique in a mystery story. The problem with acolyte's execution is that there's no "narrator" in acolyte. The flashbacks are simply presented as truth, not as osha/fem's memory. Even if we go with "not the whole truth", the half truth presented to us is painfully stupid and unbelievable, such as Mae is just an insufferable asshole and really tried to set her sister on fire and actually burned the place down.
The point was to create intrigue and misdirection, to make us think the witches were bad. When I’m reality it will probably reveal that the Jedi did somethinng bad.
@@StevenZephyc so you’re basically admitting that you’re not very smart and you take everything at face value. I understood the misdirection. It’s not hard.
Considering the direction this show is going I think the answer is obvious: we'll have another flashback where the Jedi kill all the witches. It may be that only one of them do so, this is why Kelnaca and the poison dude might be fighting for.
There's no reason to care about this. Except that we get to laugh at how horrible the hair and beard look! I mean, Torbin looks like that horrorcow Cyraxx, sans the bed bug scabs on his giant head, tho.
The story heavily implied that Mae is killing the Jedi out of revenge as they were clearly involved in massacre of the witches. Why would Torbin just off himself if not from guilt of killing the innocent? I guess this dumb "no weapons" thing was for her master to test her abilities, like it was to have them force choked by her or something, but she cheated and brought poison. Still dumb, lazy writing, but fair enough. But now she suddenly decides to be loyal to Osha? No need for revenge cause she's alive? What about her family? It makes no fucking sense.
I think the conclusion will be that the "evil jedi" did more on the planet where the twins come from. Maybe they let it happen, maybe they somehow influenced it but I think that's where they want to go with this. That's why they are guilty about it.
Finding out why Torbin voluntarily took the poison is literally the only thing keeping me interested in this story. Very tired of this story telling format, its almost every star wars project now ever since TLJ. Constant flashbacks and "hidden" backstory connections taking the whole season to reveal. It's boring as hell now.
Like how they reordered the scenes in Obi-wans hut in A New Hope to make it flow smoother, if they had only reordered the episodes of the Acolyte it would only make me want to cut ONE of my wrists
We've already seen Plagueis on screen and didn't realize it. Qimir's goofy Clark Kent routine is to TRY and throw you off that he is the Sith lord guiding Mae, but they aren't trying too hard to throw you off, because it's actually a misdirect. He is not the real "master." He also has a master they refer to. (Always two there are... a master and an apprentice.) Like most sith in a black helmet/suit (Vader/Kylo Ren), they are the second in command, while there is a more powerful master who is walking amongst us (Palpatine). The real master has already been shown, but you put them out of your mind thinking they're already dead. (That's the REAL misdirect.) Think about it. It had to be someone that was there 16 years ago that killed all of the witches. I don't think it was either of the twins. Torbin was shown the power of the dark side when they overpowered him and made his eyes turn black. All the Jedi there that night learned that the Sith witches had the power to manipulate the Force to create life, because they just straight out told them, and they were like, "What?!" I think Torbin killed them all, framed Mae, stole their secrets and studied them for 16 years... doing a lot of mediation in preparation to transfer his essence to a new body. So he wasn't really committing suicide when he drank the poison. He was completing the final step of his transference. (The dark side is hard on your body, which is why he looked like he had aged so much in only 16 years, while the other three Jedi looked pretty much the same. The scar probably came from the fight with the Wookiee Jedi.) SPOILER WARNING: TORBIN IS DARTH PLAGUEIS! This whole show is really about HIS origin and how he learned to manipulate Midichlorians through the Force to create life and beat death. (He's even the one who was checking Osha's M-count.) Palpatine told us Plagueis knew how to beat death, but he never told us where HE learned it. He had to learn it somewhere. This would also tie in to what they're doing in The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch...researching M-Counts and trying to make a force sensitive clone (host body) for transference. Palpatine is obsessed with recreating what Plagueis had achieved, but there were a lot more force sensitive people for Plaguis to access before Palpatine's purge, which is why the Emperor had more trouble than Plagueis did in finding a Force sensitive host body.
You could well be onto something... and when they first flagged this show, like, eight years ago or something now, it was mentioned that it would be the childhood adventures of Palpatine, and this is what we have after all the revisions. Gold Star mate!
@jamesperkins191 It would be interesting to learn how a politician from little ol' Naboo ended up becoming a Sith Lord. I would watch his career with great interest. 😁
Plain and simple what it comes down to is the Jedi killed the mothers. My assumption is that the mothers thought the Jedi started the fires and attacked by posessing Torbin and having him attack the rest of the jedi. They know they were no match for the jedi so they used one of their own against them.
Perhaps an all too empathetically manipulative Multiversal operative convinced him a while back. Who knows, perhaps they may have had a chat about how the Multiverse works in a "It Doesn't Matter" perspective (thank Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths' Owlman for that)... the scoundrel has better accepted he's doomed in this universe, while other iterations across time and space have become more fortunate even if slightly, and if lucky, he may be reincarnated as an iteration in a slightly different universe. If not, well, welcome to either Purgatory or that Hell-Chaos place seen in the Cult and Supernatural Encounters novellas. Either way, the operative wins and proves their sick yet sentimentally justifiable point by degrees.
Put it this way. Imagine you’re trapped in a room and your captor told you that the only way to escape was to watch either the sequel trilogy or the Acolyte. What would u rather watch?
I’m not sure it was a remedy to his shame, perhaps just a better alternative to the (horrific?) truth of his actions being revealed to the Jedi council?
Video ends with “we’ll just have to wait and see” gee you think? Not worth getting mad that we don’t have the answers when the seasons not even done yet.
This is viewership bait - very clearly the show is setting something up here with his character, and we need for the rest of the show to come out before having any opinion on this scene.
So if Torbin was guilty of what he has done, shouldn’t he deserve forgiveness as well? Meg is doing this for petty vengeance. Torbin’s case was for self-defense and he was mind controlled, he’s more of a victim than Meg, because she threatened her own sister. She’ll kill her if she leaves. If anything, Torbin deserve more than Meg. This whole thing just feels mean spirited.
Congratulations, you have glimpsed into the mind of Leslie Headlin. She is indeed mean spirited. Let us not forget, we don’t even know that the “witches” were killed by the Jedi. For all the audience knows it was a suicide pact. However, failure to abide “the message” is punishable by death. So fratricide, or self induced suicide are respectively acceptable.
@@rorrschach8339 so what does diverse antagonist #1 deserve for attempted fratricide of diverse protagonist #1? The trouble with pretending you have the moral high ground is the ones proclaiming so the loudest usually have the least to stand on.
@@rorrschach8339 So it’s ok for Meg to kill whoever because she needed to find someone else to blame other than herself? Plus, he was mind controlled, have you not seen the episode?
SW fans will watch 4 episodes out of 8 and complain about not having the whole picture yet. Like in Obi-Wan Kenobi when they complained about PLOT HOUULLLSSS because of the apparent death of the Grand Inquisitor in the very first episode (maybe you should wait until the end? I don't know, it's just a suggestion). This is how dumb this community has become
I'm really intrigued to see where this story goes, something happened that was so awful in Torbin's eyes that he feels such an intense shame that he cuts himself off from everyone in a barash vow and then kills himself when Mae gives him the poison. I know people complain about episode 3, but it only made me more and more intrigued, I am really digging the acolyte so far.
If the Force is similar to christianity, wouldn’t Torbin go to Force Hell for taking his own life? That seems like something that’d be against the Jedi Code. There’s a difference between this act and self-sacrifice as we saw with Ben Kenobi
Nope there is no real afterlife in Star Wars you just go back into being part of the fabric of the universe. Basically its space Buddhism not Christianity.
Simple answer. The series is hot garbage and the writers couldn't care less about keeping the whole thing well made even if their livelihood depended on it.
This channel always confuses me - I always think it's the much-superior EckhartsLadder. Just stop, dude. We all know this show, and all of Disney-Marvel and Disney-Lucasfilm is trash.
Развлечения
Torbin thought he was going to mutate into a turtle by drinking the ooze.
I wish it would mutate this into a good show.
The oOozeee
Torbin: The Oozelyte.
That would have been awesome.
Senior Mutant Jedi Guy
See here's the issue.... I simply just don't give a fuck!
and yet you still here
Good riddance hope I never have to stomach another comment from you going forward.
@@gus0453 why are you here?
@@SilvaKrovacski he probably likes the channel and wants to support him
@@galaxyblaze5656 Other people who disagree with shit want to comment as well
"We see Torbin just give up immediately." Um... I think the actor himself gave up immediately! 😂😂😂
The actor must've read the script and went ok I didn't read the script before I signed up now that I did your writing me dead in this I'm just gonna give up
lol that makes two of us. Rather, ALL of us.
Ya, silly. Don't you know when there's a female protagonist the male Always has to subcome to them? XD
I think this actor just has a fetish about committing suicide on screen.
The actor actually went home to rethink his life.
This show doesn't seem to understand how to build anticipation at all. You don't just confuse people and assume they'll be invested in getting an explanation later. Four episodes in I still don't know who any of these people are or why I should care about them.
You're not paying attention. Just go back to the PT and watch your lightsaber fights.
@@rorrschach8339 Needless hostility. The PT also had some poor writing.
@@waterbug314 The show builds anticipation by withholding information so you wonder "What's going on here? I want to know more." If you reveal everything at once there's no reason to think about anything and you just move on to the next episode.
@@rorrschach8339 Of course. But you want to give your characters a sense of identity and purpose while they uncover new information. You don't withhold character or plot and hope your viewer is just invested by default bc of the ip.
@@rorrschach8339 as a writer, I can tell you: You're wrong. Anticipation isn't built by withholding information; withholding information is how you show complete disregard for your audience, and, ultimately, your fans. Anticipation is built on revealing information, i.e. character growth and plot progression. Please, stop. This is a trash tv show made by and for brainlets who are focused not on the stories of old, but desecrating them, while crying victim. To completely eschew the plot points of where this show has to go, in favor of identity politics, poor writing, poor acting - poor production, overall; only to blame failure on the fans is nothing short of hilarious. There are continuity errors caused - and created by - this era of "StAr WaRs".
The true Sith are the friendships we made along the way.
He was just trying to GTFO of the series...
The guy drinking the poison was dumb. Even if they explain it later, it still makes zero sense why he would delete himself that quick.
Almost like you haven't watched the show or understand human emotion lmfao
@@ineedanewname5716 why didn't dude just let strong female antagonist kill him if he felt so bad? It's a shit plot device for people who drool on themselves
@@NikukaiFightOn He gains no absolution from making Mae do the work.
Well, the conclave of space-lesbians were the remnants of a Force Cult that the Jedi wiped out the rest of
Maybe he came to realise that belonging to a genocidal theocracy that thinks it can own The Force made him a bad guy?
@@ineedanewname5716boy if that ain’t the pot calling the kettle black.
Kelnacca is the only non-human Jedi in the group.
Such diversity!
Creators are clearly racist against Wookies.
You mean Harry, from Harry and the Hendersons, right?
But if he was under the control of the witches... why would he blame himself?? Because he wasn't strong enough to resist?? That's a weak reason, he was a padawan.
That's literally the entirety of the Jedi Handbook right there. He was used to destroy and inflict carnage/chaos seemingly. As a Jedi, he is supposed to do good. He is of course going to feel bad about what he did and not let that go. And Jedi may say to let that go but when have Jedi ever let things go without feeling some shred of negativity in the process?
I'm just here for the comments
I like it for the same reasons I liked The Last Jedi
*eats handful of popcorn*
I think we are trying to make sense in a scene where:
- The writers don't know Star Wars, and/or they can't write.
- The actors don't even know what the show is.
- Multiple reshoots over and over again where each scene may potentially not link up with the other.
- The staff used the 180 million to go on vacations and accept a poorly made scene.
In other words, it doesn't make sense because there's no logic to it anyway. It would be like writing a scene where Palpatine fights for his life and then purposely jumps into a pit of lava because "Why not?"
Torbin killed himself because of how indescribably terrible this show is.
My theory: Torbin is the sith. Both float.
I think the sith is the guide guy with may who she tied up
Ducks are Sith confirmed
Perfect anagram for this show
@@kriscreel6424 *analogy. Anagram is when you jumble the letters of a word. Example: Yelcoat -> Acolyte
Rey’s a sith too then. She floats in the rise of skywalker
I got off the bus at episode 3 but they will reveal the Jedi slaughtered the witches without cause, setting events in motion. The Jedi will be evil for their rigid force doctrines. Or something like that.
Well whether or not the Jedi finished them off before The Fire incident is sort of immaterial, bog picture wise... the conclave was the last survivors of a sect that the Jedi had already wiped out
Spoiler Jedis have always been evil and the Sith were good. New Lore coming.
@@jamesperkins191 According to the head witch. We have not seen any evidence to support her assertions. indeed, the witches were terribly calm about the Jedi showing up on their doorstep.
@@Sevenfold120 “We have always been at war with Eastasia.”
his beard and hair was wack so they made him drink the poison 😂
judging from kelnaca's eyes he was being used by the witches much like Torbin was, he injures torbin and comes to his senses. It's possible that after kelnaca regains himself he goes into a rage and starts killing the witches, Torbin cowers and lets him masacre the coven until Master Indara stops Kelnaca. Kelnaca is horrified at his rage, and exiles himself much like a madclaw wookie is outcasted, this is why he is robless, lightsaberless, and living as far away from living sapient beings with a sign stay away as his regret and shame over his rage. Torbin went into silence and deep meditation as his way of closing his mind and eyes to Kelnaca's rage, trying to find inner peace and reason if he was a coward or also secretly desiring the coven to die after what they did to him and forced kelnacca to do to him.
That’s a pretty good explanation.
This 1 minute video likely put more thought into this situation than screenwriter ever did.
Torbin no longer wanted to be a part of the Acolyte, so he peaced out.
While im sure the rest of the episodes will explain better. Its still really odd to think a jedi would “seppaku” over something that “may not be his fault”
Like yeah we havent seen the actual story to know if he has real blame. But like being mind controlled isnt your fault and i assume “jedi wisdom/training” would teach one to let go of such feelings and channel it into being a better jedi for the people. Not hide away in meditation for a decade and not speak to anyone. Basically running away from a problem and not owning up to it: a very un-jedi-like move. Then to top it off with suicide just give a really bad taste with all of it.
But sure I’ll watch all the episodes and see how the remedy this (they probably cant)
I'm still so confused -- isn't this her killing a jedi without a weapon?
Technically he killed himself.
I think poison counts as a weapon
Yep, she didn't kill a jedi, he killed himself.
If it still counts as her kill then she used a weapon to do it and it shouldn't count.
There seem to be an equal amount of Yellow lightsabers to Green and Blue in this representation of The High Republic Era.
She couldn't convince the guy to suicide with a knife, so she had to do a whole trip and come back another day because with poison he would do it
The Sith identity has been leaked. You can look it up. 😂
There's definitely more to his story will be revealed.
My guess is that Torbin and the others decided to attack the witches, but the Wookie disagreed with their decision and tried to defend the witches.
so the reason he lives alone in the forest is because he dislikes the jedi now
The witches didnt look like they were killed by the fire. He mysteriously ends up with scar at a very susuptious crime scene, flees to a backwater planet and takes a vow of silence. Yeah he totally killed them.
I dont understand how ppl still have hope for this franchise
I feel like, if we didn't see everything there was to see in the flashback... What was the point of showing it in the first place??? Episode 3 felt like showing info we had already been told already, which is a waste of time for an 8 episode show. The fact that there's "more" to be revealed from what was entirely a filler episode is really ineffective storytelling.
I highly disagree with your take on the episode. If anything this follows a certain trope in writing that is seen every now and again with differing execution. Episode 3 very much set the stage + gave us the perspective of the main character. We got to see what THEY went through during what is essentially an intersecting+driving point for many of these characters and events. And it was quite obvious from the episode that we didn't see everything as it was just one person's viewpoint. I mean- all of those people just dead, from what? And the Jedi being there already and seemingly frazzled. As the story progresses we are no doubt going to be seeing more perspectives, more layers, more pieces to the puzzle being filled in.
We will see what the Jedi involvement actually was, if this Sith had any part in it, and so forth. What we see could totally change the meaning of the entire event.
@@AStormsong fair point, but if so much time is going to be given to the different perspectives of what happened on brendok, it needs to actually be interesting first and foremost. i didn't think the events of episode 3 should have covered a whole episode. showing is not inherently better than telling, showing takes a lot more steps and it needs to be compelling enough to use all the screentime necessary. i do hope i change my mind on this when we see what actually happened but this is my opinion at the moment. i really want to enjoy this show, and i do in a lot of areas, but even as "an acolyte fan" i'm disappointed.
Because the writers are awfully inadequate at storytelling.
The acolyte is obviously trying to use the "unreliable narrator" trope to plant mystery, false flag, and red herring. Misdirect is virtually the most important technique in a mystery story. The problem with acolyte's execution is that there's no "narrator" in acolyte. The flashbacks are simply presented as truth, not as osha/fem's memory. Even if we go with "not the whole truth", the half truth presented to us is painfully stupid and unbelievable, such as Mae is just an insufferable asshole and really tried to set her sister on fire and actually burned the place down.
The point was to create intrigue and misdirection, to make us think the witches were bad. When I’m reality it will probably reveal that the Jedi did somethinng bad.
@@StevenZephyc so you’re basically admitting that you’re not very smart and you take everything at face value. I understood the misdirection. It’s not hard.
Thank you I was thinking how pointless Tobin was for 2 weeks I thought I was crazy coz no one talked about it
Just like trinity he did the right thing and offed himself after reading the script. Makes 100% sense. Get cash and move on with livey
The idea of a Wookie Jedi seems so cringey to me. RIP Star Wars 1977-1983
Considering the direction this show is going I think the answer is obvious: we'll have another flashback where the Jedi kill all the witches. It may be that only one of them do so, this is why Kelnaca and the poison dude might be fighting for.
There's no reason to care about this. Except that we get to laugh at how horrible the hair and beard look! I mean, Torbin looks like that horrorcow Cyraxx, sans the bed bug scabs on his giant head, tho.
Is that Neil Patrick Harris?
Tommen Baratheon
@@ThespianPrince13 Damn. Dude looks JUST LIKE Neil
discounted neil
Did not pick it, thanks dude!
Maybe Tobin took his life because later he killed his wookie jedi coworker and felt guilty 😅
A padawan burnt down the space witch lesbian stronghold. lol
The story heavily implied that Mae is killing the Jedi out of revenge as they were clearly involved in massacre of the witches. Why would Torbin just off himself if not from guilt of killing the innocent? I guess this dumb "no weapons" thing was for her master to test her abilities, like it was to have them force choked by her or something, but she cheated and brought poison. Still dumb, lazy writing, but fair enough. But now she suddenly decides to be loyal to Osha? No need for revenge cause she's alive? What about her family? It makes no fucking sense.
I think the conclusion will be that the "evil jedi" did more on the planet where the twins come from. Maybe they let it happen, maybe they somehow influenced it but I think that's where they want to go with this. That's why they are guilty about it.
Didn't they claim they cut out the wookie fight because it was too expensive?
Too expensive? They had a 180m$ budget... How come Dune can do a massive battle with that cash and sw cant put a guy in a furry suit lol
He's not lying tho. Disney said they cut some of the wookie scenes 🤷♂️
That might be the ‘fight’ where it appears Harry died sitting in a chair in his home…perhaps while taking a nap.
Perhaps it looked really bad.
00:01 Rick Astley would be dissapointed
I hope and wish that Kelnacca is alive and not really dead.
Dude your putting soo much thought into this, i feel bad for you.
Are you not smart enough to do that?
@@discobroccoli198 that swoosh you heard was the point going over your head.
Why did he look like he was a 26y/o playing a 60y/o?
power of many~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ gay witches~~~~~~~~~~~
I thought suicide wasn't the Jedi way
Don't ask questions. Just consume product, then get excited for next product.
Finding out why Torbin voluntarily took the poison is literally the only thing keeping me interested in this story. Very tired of this story telling format, its almost every star wars project now ever since TLJ. Constant flashbacks and "hidden" backstory connections taking the whole season to reveal. It's boring as hell now.
wow a channel that like acolyte and isnt pooping on it
I wish theyd stop telling us shit and start SHOWING US SHIT
Like how they reordered the scenes in Obi-wans hut in A New Hope to make it flow smoother, if they had only reordered the episodes of the Acolyte it would only make me want to cut ONE of my wrists
Took the Temp V lol
We've already seen Plagueis on screen and didn't realize it.
Qimir's goofy Clark Kent routine is to TRY and throw you off that he is the Sith lord guiding Mae, but they aren't trying too hard to throw you off, because it's actually a misdirect. He is not the real "master." He also has a master they refer to. (Always two there are... a master and an apprentice.) Like most sith in a black helmet/suit (Vader/Kylo Ren), they are the second in command, while there is a more powerful master who is walking amongst us (Palpatine).
The real master has already been shown, but you put them out of your mind thinking they're already dead. (That's the REAL misdirect.)
Think about it. It had to be someone that was there 16 years ago that killed all of the witches. I don't think it was either of the twins.
Torbin was shown the power of the dark side when they overpowered him and made his eyes turn black. All the Jedi there that night learned that the Sith witches had the power to manipulate the Force to create life, because they just straight out told them, and they were like, "What?!" I think Torbin killed them all, framed Mae, stole their secrets and studied them for 16 years... doing a lot of mediation in preparation to transfer his essence to a new body. So he wasn't really committing suicide when he drank the poison. He was completing the final step of his transference. (The dark side is hard on your body, which is why he looked like he had aged so much in only 16 years, while the other three Jedi looked pretty much the same. The scar probably came from the fight with the Wookiee Jedi.)
SPOILER WARNING:
TORBIN IS DARTH PLAGUEIS! This whole show is really about HIS origin and how he learned to manipulate Midichlorians through the Force to create life and beat death. (He's even the one who was checking Osha's M-count.) Palpatine told us Plagueis knew how to beat death, but he never told us where HE learned it. He had to learn it somewhere.
This would also tie in to what they're doing in The Mandalorian and The Bad Batch...researching M-Counts and trying to make a force sensitive clone (host body) for transference. Palpatine is obsessed with recreating what Plagueis had achieved, but there were a lot more force sensitive people for Plaguis to access before Palpatine's purge, which is why the Emperor had more trouble than Plagueis did in finding a Force sensitive host body.
You could well be onto something... and when they first flagged this show, like, eight years ago or something now, it was mentioned that it would be the childhood adventures of Palpatine, and this is what we have after all the revisions. Gold Star mate!
@jamesperkins191 It would be interesting to learn how a politician from little ol' Naboo ended up becoming a Sith Lord. I would watch his career with great interest. 😁
torbin SA-ed the fatherless kids
Because she’s such a badass girl boss that he knew resistance was useless. Star Wars is garbage now.
Plain and simple what it comes down to is the Jedi killed the mothers. My assumption is that the mothers thought the Jedi started the fires and attacked by posessing Torbin and having him attack the rest of the jedi. They know they were no match for the jedi so they used one of their own against them.
Is it just me or did they cgi him picking up the vial? it like shifts weirdly in his hand almost clipping into it. WHY!?
Why don't you just wait until it gets cleared up. Jesus
Perhaps an all too empathetically manipulative Multiversal operative convinced him a while back. Who knows, perhaps they may have had a chat about how the Multiverse works in a "It Doesn't Matter" perspective (thank Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths' Owlman for that)... the scoundrel has better accepted he's doomed in this universe, while other iterations across time and space have become more fortunate even if slightly, and if lucky, he may be reincarnated as an iteration in a slightly different universe. If not, well, welcome to either Purgatory or that Hell-Chaos place seen in the Cult and Supernatural Encounters novellas.
Either way, the operative wins and proves their sick yet sentimentally justifiable point by degrees.
This show blows
Put it this way. Imagine you’re trapped in a room and your captor told you that the only way to escape was to watch either the sequel trilogy or the Acolyte. What would u rather watch?
They both are not that good but the Acolyte because it will probably be less runtime than the movies.
The Acolyte because at least I haven't SEEN IT YET.
As far as I can tell Disney jave already ordered another season?
@@jamesperkins191 Yah, I think there is going to be a season 2, it should be better tho if they learn from mistakes.
Devils advocate: let’s wait to see the flashbacks
Also, he didn't just "give up" - Mae bartered her forgiveness, which he desperately wanted. That may seem odd, but that was his motivation.
@@brianjl7477 exactly
That sounds lame 😒.
@@jaieregilmore971 Well, I wasn't really judging it, just explaining. It's pretty subtle. Honestly, Master Torbin IS kinda lame, so it works for him.
@@jaieregilmore971womp womp
White male character?
Better make him alt+f4 on life.
Its not that serious buddy
😂
@@Viper76PLthese people live in these weirdo echo chambers thinking the world hates wte men. Dudes are so bored so now they want to be victims 😵💫
@@jibril2473 Senior vice president at disney literally said they have a bias against white men LOL
@@jibril2473 Have you not heard of that clip of people at Disney saying they deliberately don't hire white men anymore?
I’m not sure it was a remedy to his shame, perhaps just a better alternative to the (horrific?) truth of his actions being revealed to the Jedi council?
What a doodoo pile of a show
Wrong
@@discobroccoli198shill
@@barrannugrahakodri8695 You don’t even know what that means💀
Ok
It's supper easy to tell why this is utter garbage writing.
She used the lesbian witch mind-melt on him.
Why does that dude look like a teen girl with a beard glued on to his face?
Because he had a beard glued to his face
Because it's Tommen Baratheon HAHAHA
... and who, incidently, is also character who died by suicide
whatever he did, he was literally wallowing in guilt for years. not surprising he'd do the "honorable" thing when forced to confront that wrong.
He was white and male..
Video ends with “we’ll just have to wait and see” gee you think? Not worth getting mad that we don’t have the answers when the seasons not even done yet.
Fun fact, Torbin drank the poison because he doesn't want to be a part of Disney anymore.
He died because he stopped living. Truly an inspiring character-
His actor's GOT character also died by suicide... I hope he doesn't get type-casted for it
This is viewership bait - very clearly the show is setting something up here with his character, and we need for the rest of the show to come out before having any opinion on this scene.
RUclipsrs and podcasters make better content than the content they are roasting lol
So if Torbin was guilty of what he has done, shouldn’t he deserve forgiveness as well?
Meg is doing this for petty vengeance. Torbin’s case was for self-defense and he was mind controlled, he’s more of a victim than Meg, because she threatened her own sister. She’ll kill her if she leaves. If anything, Torbin deserve more than Meg.
This whole thing just feels mean spirited.
Congratulations, you have glimpsed into the mind of Leslie Headlin. She is indeed mean spirited. Let us not forget, we don’t even know that the “witches” were killed by the Jedi. For all the audience knows it was a suicide pact. However, failure to abide “the message” is punishable by death. So fratricide, or self induced suicide are respectively acceptable.
No he doesn't deserve forgiveness for feeling bad. And you dont know if whatever he did was in self-defense.
@@rorrschach8339 so what does diverse antagonist #1 deserve for attempted fratricide of diverse protagonist #1? The trouble with pretending you have the moral high ground is the ones proclaiming so the loudest usually have the least to stand on.
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So it’s ok for Meg to kill whoever because she needed to find someone else to blame other than herself? Plus, he was mind controlled, have you not seen the episode?
@@mikewaterfield3599 Clearly, she doesn't deserve anything for trying to kill her sister. What a completely braindead question.
SW fans will watch 4 episodes out of 8 and complain about not having the whole picture yet. Like in Obi-Wan Kenobi when they complained about PLOT HOUULLLSSS because of the apparent death of the Grand Inquisitor in the very first episode (maybe you should wait until the end? I don't know, it's just a suggestion). This is how dumb this community has become
Of course the only white guy on the show is the bad guy.
This piece of acolyte is not cannon and it won't even be Legend
Was that scene supposed to represent white guilt ? humm....
I'm really intrigued to see where this story goes, something happened that was so awful in Torbin's eyes that he feels such an intense shame that he cuts himself off from everyone in a barash vow and then kills himself when Mae gives him the poison. I know people complain about episode 3, but it only made me more and more intrigued, I am really digging the acolyte so far.
Same here.
Torbin looked into the future and couldnt make sense of this terrible show and noped on out of there
my theory is that the show is ass
If the Force is similar to christianity, wouldn’t Torbin go to Force Hell for taking his own life? That seems like something that’d be against the Jedi Code. There’s a difference between this act and self-sacrifice as we saw with Ben Kenobi
Nope there is no real afterlife in Star Wars you just go back into being part of the fabric of the universe. Basically its space Buddhism not Christianity.
Thankfully, the Force is NOT similar to Christianity.
The speculation is that Torbin has a connection to Plagueis and so isn't a good guy and isn't actually dead on some level
Well, it is and it isn't. It's like Zen Catholocism or something
@@jamesperkins191 Suicide is a mortal sin in Catholicism.
His act is either going to make sense or fall flat.
Maybe he's just hibernating or something
Or it's an allusing to his role in Game Of Thrones, where his character also died by his own hand
first
Simple answer. The series is hot garbage and the writers couldn't care less about keeping the whole thing well made even if their livelihood depended on it.
This channel always confuses me - I always think it's the much-superior EckhartsLadder. Just stop, dude. We all know this show, and all of Disney-Marvel and Disney-Lucasfilm is trash.
Why would anyone “wait and see” with this garbage?
I will never watch anything past ROTJ.
I NOSE WHO YOU ALL ARE.
Star Wars was RUINED FOREVER the moment they made Luke Vader's son
@@jamesperkins191 PERHAPS.
BUT IT GAVE US THE TWIST.
GUY...
🇮🇱TREK 🇮🇱WARS
I CANT BE FOOLED ANYMORE.
He drank the poison so he wouldn't have to be on that crappy show anymore !! LoL Good for him 👍
YOU...STAR WARS THEORY...STUPENDOUS WAVE AND THE REST ARE ALL SHILLS.
YOU ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.
YOU REPULSE ME AS MUCH AS THESE SMALL HAT WRITERS.
🏳️🌈🤝🇮🇱
maybe wait and watch the show?
show's terrible written anyways, this is un-star wars a star wars, to see how low they can get
Nobody knows
Nobody cares
Just taking a daily dose of copium cause of what this franchise has become.