The audio clip was kinda to quite, couldn't hear it to much. But if he does use the technique it means he isn't a true sith, probably a sith wanna be. The Sith were mythical at this point, probably a believer
*Demolition* *Man* *(1993)* The way the Jedis are portrayed in The Acolyte are similar to the cops in Demolition Man. They’re soft and stupid. In Demolition Man, Los Angeles became safe. Hardly any major crimes. Sex happens with VR headsets. You get a fine for cursing. That’s what’s happening in the High Republic Era. Jedis have become soft and complacent which made them inept when handling criminals like a Sith. People should check out Demolition Man, it’s Stallone’s funniest movie and one of Snipes’ funniest movies up there with White Men Can’t Jump (1992). Simon Phoenix vs. the cops ruclips.net/video/LQIRD57lls8/видео.htmlsi=JxhuwJQgihxXEIKw Here’s The Acolyte’s Ep. 5’s stupid moment after stupid moment. - Jedis had several chances landing a fatal blow at Qimir but didn’t including Jecki aiming for the head as if Qimir is Thanos when she could’ve stabbed him through the back. Had to make the fight look more dramatic. Then another scene when Jecki saves Mae by jumping against a stone and we see Sol could’ve landed a blow from behind. Plot armor galore. - Osha does nothing mostly but stand there and watch. A team player. Then when she shoots Qimir once, she had to aim high where his helmet is. Didn’t notice Qimir was headbutting the lightsabers to short circuit them. - A lightsaber can’t penetrate through Cortosis but a female padawan’s elbow can break Smilo’s helmet as if it was made out of egg shells. - Osha prevents Sol from killing Qimir. Um, didn’t Osha leave the Jedi Order when she was 18? How did she all of a sudden become the chief of police and Sol has to listen to her? Didn’t she watch her friends in Jecki and Yord die? Why should she care what Sol does to Qimir if she no longer is a Jedi? - When Sol doesn’t kill Qimir, he watches Qimir pick up the lightsaber from the ground with the Force while Sol is ready to get slashed before Osha does her Pip thing which basically frees Qimir from any type of arrest. Where are the handcuffs to arrest these types of people? - Why does Osha drop the blaster on the ground? She shoots Mae with it and then we see Mae shoot Sol from the same area Osha shot Mae. Then Mae shoots Sol from behind. Um, didn’t Sol just save Mae from a lightsaber piercing right through her skull? Then she tells Osha that the Jedis are no good. A Jedi just saved her life only two minutes ago! 😂 - Mae decides to go Arryk Cargyll but without a Criston A-Hole telling her. But shouldn’t Sol see Mae’s witch markings and the burnt, smoky tips of her hair? So is Ep. 6 going to turn into The Parent Trap (1961/1998) where Sol is completely clueless that’s Mae? Will Bazil notify him that’s Mae? “We’re police officers. We’re not trained to handle that kind of violence.” - Erwin (Rob Schneider) in Demolition Man The official motto of the Uvalde, Texas police department and the Jedis during the High Republic Era.
Empire is the best of all 3, like Dante hicks said. It ends on a down note, just like real life, a series of down notes. Some may say blasphemy. Now I want to watch Episode III thanks to you lmao, for real and I will. Waiting for the postman to throw my 420 puff puff stuff in the mailbox and during the sesh I will watch Ep. III.
This is a clip where *I believe it was used.* But it was mentioned nowhere. Nor was it acknowledged on the wiki pages or by LucasFilm themselves. - Charlie
@@EcksClips Should also note Merrick is neither Sith or Jedi. We don't know if Merrick was a fallen Jedi taken in or one found and trained. Either way they aren't trained very specifically in Jedi or Sith trainings. Which means he could have used it. Or he just randomly turned his lightsaber on and off in combat because his blade was still extended during that moment. My guess is he is a former Jedi padawan since he was seen during a period in which they were scooping them up. He knows about it and used that technique in combat. In the end it didn't help him all that much. Jedi: He's a traitor using techniques he shouldn't. Sith: He's a bitch. Never was a Sith to begin with. Qimir is questionable too. Is he Sith? The way he phrased it was you would call me a Sith. Not I am Sith. He doesn't actually say he is one. If you're one. Then he wouldn't outright say he is one. First he's force trained with a lightsaber. So keeping the secret is more important than not. So he would never outright say he is one or shouldn't. If he is a Sith then he is very shitty master or a very shitty apprentice. If he isn't Sith or Jedi Qimir will not have qualms about using something each order doesn't like. If he is one. He's a lot more not caring about the secret and ways of either order. I get not caring for what the Jedi think. What the Sith thinks. If he is the Master he's not caring. If he isn't his master finds out that is a sign of weakness and weakness can't be tolerated.
@@EcksClipsAcolite episode 5 is the best star wars thing I have ever seen. These fights and choreography surpassed both the Phantom Menace movie and the clone wars episode.
@@prestonroberts2941 doesn’t make sense that it’s dishonorable or cowardly. Like imagine reloading in a gun fight is dishonorable because having more bullets is not fair 😂
Same argument as why are there laws about what is counted as warcrime. Like it's *War*, does it matter if what I did is a warcrime in order to win?
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@@rowlinzonvaldeavilla3964 Yea but the distinction is in the spiritual weight of combat within Star Wars and specifically between force users. There is no neutral combat for a force user, all lightsaber combat is a reflection of the user's philosophy and psychic alignment. Irl you just kill to survive, in their universe they're fighting while connected to a universal energy field that makes their desires, ambitions, and beliefs manifest. If you pull some "pussy" shit as a force user you're basically reinforcing it out in the galaxy that you neither respect other life enough to honor it's value nor believe in yourself enough to impose your sheer will on others, few are gonna go that route.
@@Zliarx no thats different, those are laws that everyone abides by to not destroy the world, Lightsaber flicking is not illegal it's just "dishonorable"
Honestly, pretty easy to parry. If my opponent turns off his blade, while I’m swinging at him, he’s left himself open. I just follow through and bifurcate the poor bastard.
@@Quinntus79 Lol. They aren't going to turn it off if they're in your swing arc. They look at how you are shifting your weight during attacks. They trade hits with you for a bit to get you into a rhythm, then lead your swings while positioning themselves to the side. Then when they see an "opening" i.e. you are about to swing in an arc that will hit the blade but not them--that's when they shut the saber down, and you lose your balance because you were expecting contact. Your whiff leaves you exposed, and *that's* when they fire the blade back up and into your undefended chest.
@@cyxcevenso waiting for you to try for a beat and then punishing? Makes sense on two conditions: that lightsabers are actually weighty, and do not pull themselves together in a fight (magnetic bind theory). You have to know they're going for a beat though, which I assume isn't hard for a force user. Still though, if I'm going for a beat there wouldn't be that much follow-through I don't think, so the best thing to do would be lunge forward, or re-enter defensive position. I think Trakata's best use is probably trolling apprentices who have bad footwork.
its also funny that one of the other jedi in the group died with a single stab to the chest too. It requires multiple stabs unless they are not important to the plot, or if the plot requires it
@@thanatoes537tbh...doesnt he also even like slice them too after? I swear I saw like he stabbed blocked another but also slicing the dude who was stabbed. Of course yeah your point still stands too even if they do the best to get in multiple hits. You need to just think "hey the story is: he kills them." 😂 aka no matter the wounds you dead.
You can't do that that is dishonorable *mind fucks a POW's mind* An elegant weapon from a more civilized age *literally dismembers a child* Blasters a brutes weapon *does a no scope with a sniper rifle and hits*
It shouldn't be controversial at all. However the orders have rules. He broke them. Which leads to more questions. Why if he is a Sith did he show such weakness to the enemy? If he is a master he doesn't care for the rules of the Sith either. Okay he doesn't care but that needs to be explained which I'm sure they'll get to. If he is the apprentice then his master finds out. He is showing weakness to the enemy. Which might be a reason for the master to show up and get rid of him.
Yeah, even common Star Wars fans know this. Shit like this is why these "stan" accounts are bullshit. They just want views without knowing basic facts about the fandom they cater to.
When? I’ve played through Fallen Order’s story four times and don’t remember that ever happening. And the only instance in Survivor I can remember is when he disguised himself as Santari to get close enough to stab Dagan.
Shit man I’d say desperate times call for desperate measures but this is also the same dude groaning about the order being gone so clearly he’s just being a hypocrite. Typical Jedi shit I guess
I have only heard of it once before but it's controversial in Star Wars universe as said both Jedi and Sith dislike the use of Trakataa yet here we see Qimir doing just that. To the Jedi, the use of Trakataa is dishonorable while to the Sith, it's considered a weakness. I actually find it funny both Jedi and Sith have different ideologies yet they both agree Trakataa is a style of fighting that must never be used. Then there is of course Cal Kestis who used it once to survive and Qimir calls himself a Sith but again it's self-proclaimed and he's already shown to be a dirty fighter.
Where has this ever been denounced in canon? I've never seen Jedi or Sith do so. It doesn't make sense for Sith to even care about "cowardice" they're in hiding the whole time
@@user-ze3sg6ix1u Not in canon but in lore within legends where both sides do not enjoy let alone approve of the use of Trakataa. I guess it's like an unsung rule among lightsaber wielders. I truthfully don't know the specifics. I imagine it's because cowardice would mean fearing your opponent and instead you yourself are afraid of losing and as such Sith whose ideology is to make foes fear them is why Trakataa is considered a technique that makes you look weak and that is something the Sith do not tolerate.
@@Juel92 This just shows Sith and Jedi are merely both sides of the same coin. Jedi has a sense of honor among them and Sith carry a strong sense of pride. Admittedly it is stupid but most Sith are so full of themselves and how powerful they are that such techniques are simply beneath them.
@@VanishEclipse4867 I could see them not using it as long as they felt they had the advantage to show off. I could not see them losing a fight over it though.
In short: Its a huge logical flaw that ever existed in star wars (because it makes too much sense of using it) and they came up with equally flawed explanations why its not used wich makes another dumb thing for when someone does. It would be the first thing id try but it becomes a named 'style' instead. Frankly canon couldve fixed it easier saying sabers have some cooldown- wich btw couldve been made cool like some saying similar to how katanas were meant to 'be drawn only to be bloodied'. Dont turn your saber on unless to really use it, dont turn it off until its finished...
Until learning about the canon explanation (which is indeed pretty stupid), I always had the headcanon that, essentially, force users were usually constantly holding their lightsaber on with the force whilst trying to turn their opponent's off, and thus if you tried to pull something like this you run the risk of letting your foe hold the saber in an off state long enough that you miss your timing (this also ties in to how light sabers turn on at different speeds at different times throughout the movies, a force user can push the saber to extend faster when needed, but if they constantly have to do it against their opponent's powers, the risk and effort increases).
@@ICLHStudio Thats also pretty cool! Geez i wonder wtf the writers are on when they do things like that- and i dont mean current disney writers, it seems like an tradition with the ip. Said 'style' came up in the extended universe (books) in the past, George Lucas himself came up with midchlorians...
If it is indeed Trakata, I would've liked to see more of him switching his saber on and off in the one on one versus Sol, at least. The whole second saber thing barely justifies an actual use of the style or "getting into the head of the opponent". His Cortosis armor did that a lot more.
the main thing that just kind of annoys me about Disney Star Wars is when they depict a lightsaber turning off and on, it is shown being so fast as if you are pulling a trigger on a blaster but when before it was always shown taking a second to retract and then ignite again.
Granted that was mostly cause of how the lightsaber effect worked back then. They had to hold the lightsaber out, then someone would run in from off screen and shove a giant pole into the lightsaber, run back out, and then they would splice that footage together. You couldn't really do this at the time.
"Both the good and bad guys refuse to use it even in life or death situations because it's dishonorable" is just a cop-out by the writers. It's a way to avoid admitting that they can't think of a way it would be effectively countered. Which is stupid on a meta-level, because the counter is that your opponent would see it coming, and turning your saber off creates a gigantic opening they could exploit. Lightsaber battles are fights between precogs: both sides can see into the future. You "win" by either having better stamina or skill diffing them. The only way flicking your lightsaber on and off could work is if you're powerful enough to passively fog up the force like Sideous was, and hide the fact that it's coming. And if you're that strong, you don't need it.
Man, the death of Jecki was really, really cruel. being impalled by a lightsaber must feel the worst thing in the world. 3 times. and it wasn't even necessary. it was just for cruelty. this came from the same people that in kenobi turned LS into a plastic bat that bounces into people instead of cutting. wtf.
Reminds me of how different are the old Sith compared to the Rule of Two Sith. It’s founder, Darth Bane, once fought another Sith called Qordis. Bane was far more powerful, and Qordis knew it, so he decided to challenge Bane to a lightsaber duel. I don’t remember the exact words he used, but he told Bane something like: “at least allow me to die with honor”. Bane then used his force powers to crush his body, and concluded that Honor was a shield the weak used to slow down the strong. Makes sense that the Sith Lords that followed valued manipulation, deception and cunning: culminating in Darth Sidious as we all know.
I thought that was awesome. It’s one of my favorite lightsaber techniques although I did come up with a hypothetical move in my head that they have never used yet it involves a blaster and turning your lightsaber off before hitting another blade and quick drawing a blaster your opponent is gonna think they’re gonna block a strike, but no, they’re gonna get hit with a bunch of blaster bolts lol
He's not a fan doesn't know his shit tried to say something got it wrong. Well he's not a fan so fucking what. I'm so tired of this people need toknow no no they fucking don't they don't need to know shit. If the story is good it's good if it is bad it's bad. That simple. Andor was made by someone who doesn't even like Star Wars and it was good.
@@jasondiend4248 Well you are right, a good actor can know nothing about the universe he plays in, but if he doesnt know he should have learn to shut up.
@@mrafk5658 perhaps i mean the other actors gave him a weird look, but in all seriousness it seems he did watch star wars, it seems he confused a lucrehulk for the death star
@@jasondiend4248 Him not being a fan and being unfamiliar is fine. The problem was him trying to come off as "deep" and pretending to know far more than he actually did and when someone does that, then they deserved to be called out on it. Also it's not hard to at the very least look up the synopsis of stuff of wikipedia if you want to do that to at least get the facts of the main plot points.
I hate the idea of it being called a style or form of combat. It's a tactic that anyone can use if an opportunity presents itself. It's literally just turning your lightsaber off and on at critical moments. Even the example given in Acolyte is just a tactic that anyone with 2 lightsaber could do. The idea it would be frowned on for any reason is asinine. Jedi don't fight for sport. Honor isn't a thing they would bother with, and they're not naive enough to worry about fighting fair. If a Jedi is forced to fight, they neutralize the threat as quickly and efficiently as possible. Sith, meanwhile, they do whatever they deem necessary to win. Only oddities among Jedi and Sith would complain about using such a basic tactic. The Jedi Path book even recommends it as a move Jedi Knights SHOULD study.
Agreed. Feels like they tried to fix a problem but did it in a horrible way (would have been way better if lightsabers just had a cooldown period for turning on and off).
More like a şis kebab lmao, kebabs are essentially made the same way as McDonalds burgers with the same goo-like substance but on the other hand a şis kebab are pieces of heavily marinated pieces of meat, on hot coals like a BBQ. I run a Döner kebab place called Ali Baba's and I hope I gave you some knowledge/lore on the world of Kebab making. Chicken döner kebab and chicken dürum kebab are much better quality these days. And than you've got chicken şis kebab that's grilled chickenbreast. Unless you marinate the beef yourself and make the kebab spinning rod freshly by yourself like this stranger did to the Jedi, freshly made instead of the frozen mcdo quality deliveries that other kebab joints get. *not an ad*.
I would like to propose the consideration that, even though the intention of the scene on the part of the creative team was to show Qimir using trakata with his shoto blade to kill Jecki, what the scene shows us, visually speaking, is not that, but the sith quickly thrust into her with a reverse grip. Now I know, pointing out such a tiny discrepancy like this may seem like a huge waste of effort and brain power, but we're Star Wars fans, so you understand the feeling. I recommend that after each observation, you watch the video again in slow motion to confirm my statements. First, let's notice that Qimir's left arm, which holds the blade used in the attack, makes very abrupt movements with each stab of the lightsaber. It is a movement that indicates traditional handling of the blade, where he retracts and pushes his arm quickly, because if we consider that he simply deactivated and reactivated the blade, he would merely need to reposition his fist with each thrust, which does not appear to have happened. Additionally, notice the way the sith positions each of his sabers. the longest in a horizontal block, protecting him from Jecki's attack while the second carries out the blow. Note that this positioning causes the light from the long saber to fall on the padawan's face and shoulders, while that of the shoto illuminates their torsos and the sleeves of her robe. The red light on her and Qimir's torso is never dimmed. The saber is not turned off. And finally, let's pay attention to the scene beats that make up this final part of the duel. There is the moment when Qimir steps back, detaches the shoto blade from his main saber and activates its blade (we can not only see the saber emission, but also hear its traditional activation sound). Jacki charges forward, screaming and preparing her blow. Qimir blocks her strike and immediately (note that there is no sound of deactivation) he stabs her 3 times. Sol screams. We move to a closeup of Jacki in her last moments of life. And then we see (and HEAR) HER saber deactivate. She falls, revealing the blade that went through her torso, still attached. These three observations indicate that what we are shown on screen is not a demonstration of the use of Trakata, but rather an intelligent and strategic use of a shoto saber, which with 3 quick thrusts killed a prodigious padawan learner. I know that the official Star Wars website ATTESTS that Qimir used Trakata in his fight against the Jedi. However, this is not what we can observe objectively in this scene. Perhaps the light is a result of using a practice saber during recording. Perhaps the light was not removed from the plate when it should have accompanied the supposed deactivation and reactivation of the saber. Perhaps the extended movement of Qimir's arm is the result of the actor's involuntary action, who was not aware of the details of how the scene would take place. Anyway, this is what I have to point out. Thanks for listening.
I want to see more of the trakata style. It can look really good in the hands of capable choreographers and effects artists. But it can also look clunky and predicable if not planned out properly. I'm of the opinion that it was used in this scene, and I think they utilized it very well.
"and sith for it's cowardice" Sith should be sneaky cowards when the chips are down. The idea that sith would eschew something useful and powerful because it's "cowardly" seems totally regarded.
Tarkata has always been canon, it's literally dishonorable to the Jedi and the Sith and is why it's basically forbidden and never seen. However, when it has been displayed in action it always seems quite effective.
i just want to say there was one moment when qimir was fighting a bunch of jedi’s, he actually turned off his lightsaber briefly. which is also trakata
Honestly I was all for it, that whole fight was actually really cool and one of the only scenes I enjoyed from the show so far. It’s definitely way better than the fights and choreography of the sequels.
Kylo is a fallen Jedi so he won't follow the Jedi orders rules. Kylo also isn't a Sith so he isn't held to dogmatic beliefs. A technique is that based on a rule of school. Doing it randomly is a tactic. Kylo would be the most apt exmaple but i hardly remember that film. So yeah wasn't it with the red troopers guards. Rey throws the saber to him and he turns it off and on to kill one of them. That doesn't seem so much like a technique then a spur of a moment tactic adjustment. Plus was the saber ignited when it was thrown to him? God you're gonna make me watch that scene now. Okay I watched it. Kylo doesn't actually use that. Rey turns the lightsaber off and throws it to Kylo who ignites it into the guards face. Then he turns it off but the guards are dead. Though while I didn't want to watch that scene. I did catch something I never noticed before watching it. Kylo throws one of the guards into a hole and his body parts just spray out. I a good laugh at that shit.
In the times that the Jedi Order were in charge and had major influence, it would be been dishonourable and reprimanded as it would of been highly policed, but compared to the times that came after the Jedi Order has been destroyed, no-one is there to police those using this fighting style now
I had the idea for a jedi character who weilds a lightsaber powered by fools kyber and uses trakata, since in a saberlock it's actually possible to push a lightsaber with a normal kyber crystal *through* the blade of one powered by fool's kyber, so his intent in battle is to feint like he *wants* to get into a lock, then just as his opponent goes to meet him he switches off the saber and lands a fatal blow before the fight can continue. Obviously this character is intended to be a sort of dark horse that everybody sees as weird or an outcast.
Trakata was used by Cal kestis in bogano against the 2nd sister or whenever he uses the switch and split saber combo, the bedlum raider lieutenants with saber staffs also use the style on Cal.
Being in a galactic war for decades, coming up with vile techniques of greed and deception. Even slaughtering children, yet using the Trakata technique is like considered to be the biggest sin of hell that both sides won’t even use because it’s ✌🏼dishonorable✌🏼? Writers could have come up with a better reason why it’s rarely used like it could damage the lightsaber.
Light sabers simply don't extend fast enough for this to be viable move. It only makes sense if you think Jedi are complete pushovers or have never been in a fight before in your life.
Wait, he used trakata on Jecki? I always thought that those three stabs was him just being quick with the thrusts. Are you saying those three stabs was him turning the shorter blade on and off each time? Or are they talking about the fact he pulled out a second blade mid combat in the first place?
"Likely just him trying to get into his head to make him unfocused in battle instead of actual psychological warfare" But... getting in someone's head to make them less effective is the direct definition of psychological warfare.
The idea of Trakata was created because enough fans said it was an obvious style that force wielders should use and Star Wars panicked and needed a solution as to why it wasnt used. Problem is, its not a legitimate fighting style and qould in no way benefit the user. Name a form of combat in which you benefit from temporarily not having a weapon? It just doesnt work like that.
I always thought (still do) he was just stabbing her with his shoto saber 3 times. He turns it on 1 click. Stabs her. Turns it off 2 clicks, changes direction of hilt, turns it back on 3 clicks, turns it back off 4 clicks, changes direction of hilt, turns it back on for the final time. 5 clicks in total.. just seems unnecessary and pretty difficult to do in a fight tbh. Since he also literally stabbed her first with it already being turned on.. seems like Disney just threw that into the description to try and cater to the audience who know of said technique.
I like the way they used that form. It's actually useful when they block the attack with their normal lightsaber and then use that small peice, unlike turning off your main lightsaber
Combining Trakata form with disabling your opponents lightsabers and wearing cortosis armour is a pretty lethal combo, no wonder so many jedi died here, they probably don't even know what Trakata is other than maybe Sol
I think canon should use it more. I can see an assassin-type character using it. Plus, it could make some interesting choreography and have some cool ways to counter it.
There might be an exception to this when using two sabers or a double sided saber. In both instances, Qimir and Merrik, either the original blade or the other half is still fully extended.
Trakata only seems to make sense because people think the choreographed moves we see in the big screen is how Jedi and Sith would fight in universe. It's like saying there's a forbidden technique in wrestling called "attack your opponent when he is not prepared" that nobody uses because it's considered unsportmanlike in universe.
For the character it makes sense. His entire reason for the way he is, is he doesn't like rules. That being reflected in his fight style is pretty cool
it's interesting how turning off your main source of defense and leaving you open to getting cut with life sabers or blaster lasers be considered "cowardice". That is by far one of the boldest moves you can pull off, and puts you in a lot of danger, a coward would definitely not turn it off at any time during a fight. The Sith consider it "weakness" instead, since their whole thing is overpowering their enemies with their capabilities. Knowing how to use a lightsaber is a considerable task for them, and showing how unparaleled they are with it is the key to the fear and respect of the sith everyone has.
In HEMA/Kenjutsu (real life sword fighting) there's one paramount rule: if it's practical, if it works, use it. We're talking about a fight to the death here. Not taking advantage of your resources is not "Honor"; that's a Hollywood invention. Being able to shorten your blade or disengage at grappling distance would be quite useful in an armed duel, as demonstrated by Visions. I'd be way more pissed off by all those force users reverse gripping their sabers.
While this does sound kind of useful, when you think about some of the people we have seen fighting with a saber, turning off your blade seems like a death sentence, as faster opponents like Yoda and Anakin would turn you into mince meat as soon as you lose the defense.
I mean imagine instead of turning on and off in the middle of a duel... Just purely use it as a light speed instance poking lance in combat, maybe with a longer handle. It would be a nightmare!
There is something I do wonder. I really don't understand the move mostly because if a lightsaber is powered through the crystal and resonates with the Force-user - wouldn't that technically break off their mental and physical connection for a short moment before reigniting it?
Senya also fought kinda like that in the Swtor Cinematic. Although her Lightsaber was out most of the time and she turned it on only to finish her enemies. That was a bad ass fight. I'm not sure if it was that style, but it looked cool.
Using a dishonorable fighting style is a bit less of a problem than killing a kid and then pretending you're a victim. They didn't think this through very well.
Is it just me or what he does is just stabbing her 3 times, and not doing any on-off trick? You can clearly see his shoulder moving while he moves the short sword.
I know it’s a move that fans question why we don’t see more of But making it canon seems silly too When you’re in a sword fight, you’re not trying to hit their blade, you’re trying to hit them. So turning off your lightsaber would put you at a huge disadvantage unless you have plot armor of course. Tho I’ll be devil’s advocate when I say the character splitting the blade, using one for defense and the other as more or less a short range firearm is a pretty solid way to go about it if you did.
Aah that makes so much sense! I thought the triple-holepunch was super cool but it felt too smooth and quick to be three stabs - thanks for scratching that brain itch!
1:02 - Apologies, I meant to have said The Empire Stikes Back. I was watching Episode III today lol
- Charlie
The audio clip was kinda to quite, couldn't hear it to much. But if he does use the technique it means he isn't a true sith, probably a sith wanna be. The Sith were mythical at this point, probably a believer
No worries, Remember when Anakin blow up the Death Star?
*Demolition* *Man* *(1993)*
The way the Jedis are portrayed in The Acolyte are similar to the cops in Demolition Man. They’re soft and stupid. In Demolition Man, Los Angeles became safe. Hardly any major crimes. Sex happens with VR headsets. You get a fine for cursing. That’s what’s happening in the High Republic Era. Jedis have become soft and complacent which made them inept when handling criminals like a Sith.
People should check out Demolition Man, it’s Stallone’s funniest movie and one of Snipes’ funniest movies up there with White Men Can’t Jump (1992).
Simon Phoenix vs. the cops
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Here’s The Acolyte’s Ep. 5’s stupid moment after stupid moment.
- Jedis had several chances landing a fatal blow at Qimir but didn’t including Jecki aiming for the head as if Qimir is Thanos when she could’ve stabbed him through the back. Had to make the fight look more dramatic. Then another scene when Jecki saves Mae by jumping against a stone and we see Sol could’ve landed a blow from behind. Plot armor galore.
- Osha does nothing mostly but stand there and watch. A team player. Then when she shoots Qimir once, she had to aim high where his helmet is. Didn’t notice Qimir was headbutting the lightsabers to short circuit them.
- A lightsaber can’t penetrate through Cortosis but a female padawan’s elbow can break Smilo’s helmet as if it was made out of egg shells.
- Osha prevents Sol from killing Qimir. Um, didn’t Osha leave the Jedi Order when she was 18? How did she all of a sudden become the chief of police and Sol has to listen to her? Didn’t she watch her friends in Jecki and Yord die? Why should she care what Sol does to Qimir if she no longer is a Jedi?
- When Sol doesn’t kill Qimir, he watches Qimir pick up the lightsaber from the ground with the Force while Sol is ready to get slashed before Osha does her Pip thing which basically frees Qimir from any type of arrest. Where are the handcuffs to arrest these types of people?
- Why does Osha drop the blaster on the ground? She shoots Mae with it and then we see Mae shoot Sol from the same area Osha shot Mae. Then Mae shoots Sol from behind. Um, didn’t Sol just save Mae from a lightsaber piercing right through her skull? Then she tells Osha that the Jedis are no good. A Jedi just saved her life only two minutes ago! 😂
- Mae decides to go Arryk Cargyll but without a Criston A-Hole telling her. But shouldn’t Sol see Mae’s witch markings and the burnt, smoky tips of her hair? So is Ep. 6 going to turn into The Parent Trap (1961/1998) where Sol is completely clueless that’s Mae? Will Bazil notify him that’s Mae?
“We’re police officers. We’re not trained to handle that kind of violence.”
- Erwin (Rob Schneider) in Demolition Man
The official motto of the Uvalde, Texas police department and the Jedis during the High Republic Era.
Yoda: "How embarrassing"
Empire is the best of all 3, like Dante hicks said. It ends on a down note, just like real life, a series of down notes. Some may say blasphemy. Now I want to watch Episode III thanks to you lmao, for real and I will. Waiting for the postman to throw my 420 puff puff stuff in the mailbox and during the sesh I will watch Ep. III.
Jedi: "Such a tactic is dishonorable!"
Sith: "If you do that, you're gay."
😂
I c wut u did dare.
Yep XD
*Juhani accepts the challenge*
So that's what they meant with The Acolyte being the "gayest Star Wars yet", it was because of Qimir's fighting style ! 😂
“We haven’t seen it in canon or live action yet”
shows it being used in ahsoka
This is a clip where *I believe it was used.* But it was mentioned nowhere. Nor was it acknowledged on the wiki pages or by LucasFilm themselves.
- Charlie
@@EcksClips Should also note Merrick is neither Sith or Jedi. We don't know if Merrick was a fallen Jedi taken in or one found and trained. Either way they aren't trained very specifically in Jedi or Sith trainings. Which means he could have used it. Or he just randomly turned his lightsaber on and off in combat because his blade was still extended during that moment. My guess is he is a former Jedi padawan since he was seen during a period in which they were scooping them up. He knows about it and used that technique in combat. In the end it didn't help him all that much.
Jedi: He's a traitor using techniques he shouldn't.
Sith: He's a bitch. Never was a Sith to begin with.
Qimir is questionable too. Is he Sith? The way he phrased it was you would call me a Sith. Not I am Sith. He doesn't actually say he is one. If you're one. Then he wouldn't outright say he is one. First he's force trained with a lightsaber. So keeping the secret is more important than not. So he would never outright say he is one or shouldn't. If he is a Sith then he is very shitty master or a very shitty apprentice. If he isn't Sith or Jedi Qimir will not have qualms about using something each order doesn't like. If he is one. He's a lot more not caring about the secret and ways of either order. I get not caring for what the Jedi think. What the Sith thinks. If he is the Master he's not caring. If he isn't his master finds out that is a sign of weakness and weakness can't be tolerated.
@@EcksClips It was also used in Fallen Order when Trilla and Cal fought on Bogano.
@@EcksClipsAcolite episode 5 is the best star wars thing I have ever seen.
These fights and choreography surpassed both the Phantom Menace movie and the clone wars episode.
@@EcksClips Ahsoka used it in Rebels when she thought the inquisitor in season 2 episode 9. She used the force to turn the sisters lightsaber off.
"you can't its dishonorable, its cowardly"
"yeah well your dead and I'm not so I win"
In a real fight, there aren't any rules, so it tracks for me. I loved this; Qimir is brutal.
@@prestonroberts2941 doesn’t make sense that it’s dishonorable or cowardly. Like imagine reloading in a gun fight is dishonorable because having more bullets is not fair 😂
Same argument as why are there laws about what is counted as warcrime.
Like it's *War*, does it matter if what I did is a warcrime in order to win?
@@rowlinzonvaldeavilla3964 Yea but the distinction is in the spiritual weight of combat within Star Wars and specifically between force users. There is no neutral combat for a force user, all lightsaber combat is a reflection of the user's philosophy and psychic alignment. Irl you just kill to survive, in their universe they're fighting while connected to a universal energy field that makes their desires, ambitions, and beliefs manifest. If you pull some "pussy" shit as a force user you're basically reinforcing it out in the galaxy that you neither respect other life enough to honor it's value nor believe in yourself enough to impose your sheer will on others, few are gonna go that route.
@@Zliarx no thats different, those are laws that everyone abides by to not destroy the world, Lightsaber flicking is not illegal it's just "dishonorable"
Sith: weak
Jedi: dishonorable
Pragmatists: parry this, lmao
“Parry This you filthy casual!”
*don't parry this, lmao
Honestly, pretty easy to parry. If my opponent turns off his blade, while I’m swinging at him, he’s left himself open. I just follow through and bifurcate the poor bastard.
@@Quinntus79 Lol. They aren't going to turn it off if they're in your swing arc. They look at how you are shifting your weight during attacks. They trade hits with you for a bit to get you into a rhythm, then lead your swings while positioning themselves to the side. Then when they see an "opening" i.e. you are about to swing in an arc that will hit the blade but not them--that's when they shut the saber down, and you lose your balance because you were expecting contact. Your whiff leaves you exposed, and *that's* when they fire the blade back up and into your undefended chest.
@@cyxcevenso waiting for you to try for a beat and then punishing? Makes sense on two conditions: that lightsabers are actually weighty, and do not pull themselves together in a fight (magnetic bind theory). You have to know they're going for a beat though, which I assume isn't hard for a force user. Still though, if I'm going for a beat there wouldn't be that much follow-through I don't think, so the best thing to do would be lunge forward, or re-enter defensive position. I think Trakata's best use is probably trolling apprentices who have bad footwork.
Jedi: "Dishonor."
Sith: "No balls."
ME: "LAST ONE STANDING WINS!"
@@Isomeria450 And if everyone is dead because you "had no balls", no one there to witness it.
Should we point out he had to stab Jeckie 3 times. Cause we all have learned stabbing someone once is meaningless. Unless you Qui Gon.
All of us: "characters can't lightsaber fight because we know they can survive, disney!"
Jecki: *triple stabbed*
Yord: *neck snapped*
Us: ... :c
And Cere too
its also funny that one of the other jedi in the group died with a single stab to the chest too. It requires multiple stabs unless they are not important to the plot, or if the plot requires it
@@thanatoes537tbh...doesnt he also even like slice them too after? I swear I saw like he stabbed blocked another but also slicing the dude who was stabbed. Of course yeah your point still stands too even if they do the best to get in multiple hits. You need to just think "hey the story is: he kills them." 😂 aka no matter the wounds you dead.
@@thanatoes537 Weren't they also then decapitated?
Trakata was brought into canon back when Jedi: Fallen Order came out. Cal Kestis used it against his fight with the Ninth Sister
Pretty sure it was the 2nd Sister aka Trilla but yeah Trakata has been in cannon
There was also this one dungeon where 3 princes ambush you and one of them uses it
@@jjbutternubz664 this guy also has a knack for bashing people’s lightsabers, which is genius.
Bro, adjust clip sound to your sound, in 0:18 i couldnt hear anything, when i turned sound up then you blew like a jet.
Yeah, I got that as well
"You can't do that! It's dishonorable!"
"Dishonor is a point of view."
You can't do that that is dishonorable *mind fucks a POW's mind*
An elegant weapon from a more civilized age *literally dismembers a child*
Blasters a brutes weapon *does a no scope with a sniper rifle and hits*
Dishonour smiles on my family
@@harrietr.5073 honour is blinding
with victory comes honour, and trakata brings victory, trakata=victory=honour
It’s been used a few times in canon including the scene in ahsoka referenced above and it was done by Cal Kestis towards the end of Jedi Fallen Order
Wait we did? I didn't notice
@@zygas25 yeah the battle with Trilla in the vault. She and Cal were in a lockup and he turns his saber off letting trilla fall past him.
Well I hope the Force Police doesn’t notice the unsportsmanlike conduct of murderers.
Vader didn’t fight Luke in Revenge of the Sith
That confused me too lmfao
Of course he did cuz Anakin blew up the death star
Addressed, apologies for the mistake!
- Charlie
He did, just like Anakin blew up the death star
@@EcksClips ahhh we don’t mind man, no need for apologies!
This reminds me of the parody clips of Anakin pranking Obi Wan with this during their training sessions :')
SAME LOLOL XD
Controversial or not: if it works - it works
facts lol
Same as chemicals and biological weapons. But screw Geneva right...?
@@dredeth is this an anakin skywalker burner account ?
@@dredeth no, we're dealing with one opponent and not necessary with a death end.
It shouldn't be controversial at all. However the orders have rules. He broke them. Which leads to more questions. Why if he is a Sith did he show such weakness to the enemy? If he is a master he doesn't care for the rules of the Sith either. Okay he doesn't care but that needs to be explained which I'm sure they'll get to. If he is the apprentice then his master finds out. He is showing weakness to the enemy. Which might be a reason for the master to show up and get rid of him.
"he says this"
*plays the clip as quietly as possible*
Cal uses trakata in both games lmao
Yeah, even common Star Wars fans know this. Shit like this is why these "stan" accounts are bullshit. They just want views without knowing basic facts about the fandom they cater to.
When? I’ve played through Fallen Order’s story four times and don’t remember that ever happening. And the only instance in Survivor I can remember is when he disguised himself as Santari to get close enough to stab Dagan.
@@Rhycizin the duel on bogano with the 2nd sister
@@Coley0120 and i think in survivor theres a stance that allows you to do trakata
Shit man I’d say desperate times call for desperate measures but this is also the same dude groaning about the order being gone so clearly he’s just being a hypocrite. Typical Jedi shit I guess
I have only heard of it once before but it's controversial in Star Wars universe as said both Jedi and Sith dislike the use of Trakataa yet here we see Qimir doing just that. To the Jedi, the use of Trakataa is dishonorable while to the Sith, it's considered a weakness. I actually find it funny both Jedi and Sith have different ideologies yet they both agree Trakataa is a style of fighting that must never be used. Then there is of course Cal Kestis who used it once to survive and Qimir calls himself a Sith but again it's self-proclaimed and he's already shown to be a dirty fighter.
Where has this ever been denounced in canon? I've never seen Jedi or Sith do so. It doesn't make sense for Sith to even care about "cowardice" they're in hiding the whole time
@@user-ze3sg6ix1u Not in canon but in lore within legends where both sides do not enjoy let alone approve of the use of Trakataa. I guess it's like an unsung rule among lightsaber wielders. I truthfully don't know the specifics. I imagine it's because cowardice would mean fearing your opponent and instead you yourself are afraid of losing and as such Sith whose ideology is to make foes fear them is why Trakataa is considered a technique that makes you look weak and that is something the Sith do not tolerate.
It's so stupid though. Sith should not be above fighting dirty. They should use everything at their disposal for their own gain.
@@Juel92 This just shows Sith and Jedi are merely both sides of the same coin. Jedi has a sense of honor among them and Sith carry a strong sense of pride. Admittedly it is stupid but most Sith are so full of themselves and how powerful they are that such techniques are simply beneath them.
@@VanishEclipse4867 I could see them not using it as long as they felt they had the advantage to show off. I could not see them losing a fight over it though.
I'm not sure if this was Trakata. He could have thrust the shorter lightsaber in and out three times, as well.
he'd have to pull it out for that and at such close range i feel he'd cut the chest a bit
In short: Its a huge logical flaw that ever existed in star wars (because it makes too much sense of using it) and they came up with equally flawed explanations why its not used wich makes another dumb thing for when someone does. It would be the first thing id try but it becomes a named 'style' instead. Frankly canon couldve fixed it easier saying sabers have some cooldown- wich btw couldve been made cool like some saying similar to how katanas were meant to 'be drawn only to be bloodied'. Dont turn your saber on unless to really use it, dont turn it off until its finished...
Until learning about the canon explanation (which is indeed pretty stupid), I always had the headcanon that, essentially, force users were usually constantly holding their lightsaber on with the force whilst trying to turn their opponent's off, and thus if you tried to pull something like this you run the risk of letting your foe hold the saber in an off state long enough that you miss your timing (this also ties in to how light sabers turn on at different speeds at different times throughout the movies, a force user can push the saber to extend faster when needed, but if they constantly have to do it against their opponent's powers, the risk and effort increases).
@@ICLHStudio Thats also pretty cool! Geez i wonder wtf the writers are on when they do things like that- and i dont mean current disney writers, it seems like an tradition with the ip. Said 'style' came up in the extended universe (books) in the past, George Lucas himself came up with midchlorians...
Who ever had the idea that turning off your light saber would in some way unbalance the enemy is either dreaming or never held a sword.
If it is indeed Trakata, I would've liked to see more of him switching his saber on and off in the one on one versus Sol, at least. The whole second saber thing barely justifies an actual use of the style or "getting into the head of the opponent". His Cortosis armor did that a lot more.
I don't think he turned the lightsaber off 3 times. He just stabbed her with the shorter saber.
Cal kestis actually used this first in jedi fallen order on the second sister fun fact.
It appeared to be a short saber and he stabbed her 3 times. Indidnt see him turn it off and on 3 times but maybe i missed that?
Your right. You didn’t miss anything. This is not “Trakata”
@@Hgdhgfdssxvbbnjoo Actually we don't know. It could be either.
@@HgdhgfdssxvbbnjooThis dude spends more time farming clips for YT rather than getting facts straight.
Jedi: "how unsportsmanlike"
Sith: "why you gay bro"
the main thing that just kind of annoys me about Disney Star Wars is when they depict a lightsaber turning off and on, it is shown being so fast as if you are pulling a trigger on a blaster
but when before it was always shown taking a second to retract and then ignite again.
Granted that was mostly cause of how the lightsaber effect worked back then. They had to hold the lightsaber out, then someone would run in from off screen and shove a giant pole into the lightsaber, run back out, and then they would splice that footage together. You couldn't really do this at the time.
"Both the good and bad guys refuse to use it even in life or death situations because it's dishonorable" is just a cop-out by the writers. It's a way to avoid admitting that they can't think of a way it would be effectively countered. Which is stupid on a meta-level, because the counter is that your opponent would see it coming, and turning your saber off creates a gigantic opening they could exploit. Lightsaber battles are fights between precogs: both sides can see into the future. You "win" by either having better stamina or skill diffing them. The only way flicking your lightsaber on and off could work is if you're powerful enough to passively fog up the force like Sideous was, and hide the fact that it's coming. And if you're that strong, you don't need it.
Man, the death of Jecki was really, really cruel. being impalled by a lightsaber must feel the worst thing in the world. 3 times. and it wasn't even necessary. it was just for cruelty. this came from the same people that in kenobi turned LS into a plastic bat that bounces into people instead of cutting. wtf.
Reminds me of how different are the old Sith compared to the Rule of Two Sith. It’s founder, Darth Bane, once fought another Sith called Qordis. Bane was far more powerful, and Qordis knew it, so he decided to challenge Bane to a lightsaber duel. I don’t remember the exact words he used, but he told Bane something like: “at least allow me to die with honor”. Bane then used his force powers to crush his body, and concluded that Honor was a shield the weak used to slow down the strong. Makes sense that the Sith Lords that followed valued manipulation, deception and cunning: culminating in Darth Sidious as we all know.
I thought that was awesome. It’s one of my favorite lightsaber techniques although I did come up with a hypothetical move in my head that they have never used yet it involves a blaster and turning your lightsaber off before hitting another blade and quick drawing a blaster your opponent is gonna think they’re gonna block a strike, but no, they’re gonna get hit with a bunch of blaster bolts lol
0:59 And they go so hard on the Acolyte actor, at least he didn't know star wars
He's not a fan doesn't know his shit tried to say something got it wrong. Well he's not a fan so fucking what. I'm so tired of this people need toknow no no they fucking don't they don't need to know shit. If the story is good it's good if it is bad it's bad. That simple. Andor was made by someone who doesn't even like Star Wars and it was good.
@@jasondiend4248 Well you are right, a good actor can know nothing about the universe he plays in, but if he doesnt know he should have learn to shut up.
@@mrafk5658 perhaps i mean the other actors gave him a weird look, but in all seriousness it seems he did watch star wars, it seems he confused a lucrehulk for the death star
@@jasondiend4248 Him not being a fan and being unfamiliar is fine. The problem was him trying to come off as "deep" and pretending to know far more than he actually did and when someone does that, then they deserved to be called out on it.
Also it's not hard to at the very least look up the synopsis of stuff of wikipedia if you want to do that to at least get the facts of the main plot points.
Eck addresses this in the top comment. You really think Eck doesn’t know?
I hate the idea of it being called a style or form of combat. It's a tactic that anyone can use if an opportunity presents itself. It's literally just turning your lightsaber off and on at critical moments. Even the example given in Acolyte is just a tactic that anyone with 2 lightsaber could do.
The idea it would be frowned on for any reason is asinine. Jedi don't fight for sport. Honor isn't a thing they would bother with, and they're not naive enough to worry about fighting fair. If a Jedi is forced to fight, they neutralize the threat as quickly and efficiently as possible. Sith, meanwhile, they do whatever they deem necessary to win. Only oddities among Jedi and Sith would complain about using such a basic tactic. The Jedi Path book even recommends it as a move Jedi Knights SHOULD study.
Agreed. Feels like they tried to fix a problem but did it in a horrible way (would have been way better if lightsabers just had a cooldown period for turning on and off).
Imagine training your whole life as a Jedi only to become a Kabob. 🍢🤣
Everyone knows the rules
Sith Kebab.
That's sword fighting for you.
Pretty common 500 years ago
More like a şis kebab lmao, kebabs are essentially made the same way as McDonalds burgers with the same goo-like substance but on the other hand a şis kebab are pieces of heavily marinated pieces of meat, on hot coals like a BBQ.
I run a Döner kebab place called Ali Baba's and I hope I gave you some knowledge/lore on the world of Kebab making.
Chicken döner kebab and chicken dürum kebab are much better quality these days. And than you've got chicken şis kebab that's grilled chickenbreast.
Unless you marinate the beef yourself and make the kebab spinning rod freshly by yourself like this stranger did to the Jedi, freshly made instead of the frozen mcdo quality deliveries that other kebab joints get. *not an ad*.
I would like to propose the consideration that, even though the intention of the scene on the part of the creative team was to show Qimir using trakata with his shoto blade to kill Jecki, what the scene shows us, visually speaking, is not that, but the sith quickly thrust into her with a reverse grip.
Now I know, pointing out such a tiny discrepancy like this may seem like a huge waste of effort and brain power, but we're Star Wars fans, so you understand the feeling.
I recommend that after each observation, you watch the video again in slow motion to confirm my statements.
First, let's notice that Qimir's left arm, which holds the blade used in the attack, makes very abrupt movements with each stab of the lightsaber. It is a movement that indicates traditional handling of the blade, where he retracts and pushes his arm quickly, because if we consider that he simply deactivated and reactivated the blade, he would merely need to reposition his fist with each thrust, which does not appear to have happened.
Additionally, notice the way the sith positions each of his sabers. the longest in a horizontal block, protecting him from Jecki's attack while the second carries out the blow. Note that this positioning causes the light from the long saber to fall on the padawan's face and shoulders, while that of the shoto illuminates their torsos and the sleeves of her robe.
The red light on her and Qimir's torso is never dimmed. The saber is not turned off.
And finally, let's pay attention to the scene beats that make up this final part of the duel.
There is the moment when Qimir steps back, detaches the shoto blade from his main saber and activates its blade (we can not only see the saber emission, but also hear its traditional activation sound).
Jacki charges forward, screaming and preparing her blow.
Qimir blocks her strike and immediately (note that there is no sound of deactivation) he stabs her 3 times.
Sol screams.
We move to a closeup of Jacki in her last moments of life.
And then we see (and HEAR) HER saber deactivate.
She falls, revealing the blade that went through her torso, still attached.
These three observations indicate that what we are shown on screen is not a demonstration of the use of Trakata, but rather an intelligent and strategic use of a shoto saber, which with 3 quick thrusts killed a prodigious padawan learner.
I know that the official Star Wars website ATTESTS that Qimir used Trakata in his fight against the Jedi. However, this is not what we can observe objectively in this scene.
Perhaps the light is a result of using a practice saber during recording. Perhaps the light was not removed from the plate when it should have accompanied the supposed deactivation and reactivation of the saber.
Perhaps the extended movement of Qimir's arm is the result of the actor's involuntary action, who was not aware of the details of how the scene would take place.
Anyway, this is what I have to point out.
Thanks for listening.
I want to see more of the trakata style. It can look really good in the hands of capable choreographers and effects artists. But it can also look clunky and predicable if not planned out properly.
I'm of the opinion that it was used in this scene, and I think they utilized it very well.
"Call me what you will, but I'm the one alive"
This reminds me of Game of Thrones when Bronn defeats Ser Vardis
"You don't fight with honor!"
"No. He did."
Vader didn't fight luke in rots comments are coming
vader didnt fight look replies are coming
"and sith for it's cowardice" Sith should be sneaky cowards when the chips are down. The idea that sith would eschew something useful and powerful because it's "cowardly" seems totally regarded.
Tarkata has always been canon, it's literally dishonorable to the Jedi and the Sith and is why it's basically forbidden and never seen. However, when it has been displayed in action it always seems quite effective.
Wait, so are you telling me that the lightsaber skit from Matthew McCleskey is canon?
i just want to say there was one moment when qimir was fighting a bunch of jedi’s, he actually turned off his lightsaber briefly. which is also trakata
Honestly I was all for it, that whole fight was actually really cool and one of the only scenes I enjoyed from the show so far. It’s definitely way better than the fights and choreography of the sequels.
Didn't kylo do that in last Jedi? Or is that different in some way?
Kylo is a fallen Jedi so he won't follow the Jedi orders rules. Kylo also isn't a Sith so he isn't held to dogmatic beliefs. A technique is that based on a rule of school. Doing it randomly is a tactic. Kylo would be the most apt exmaple but i hardly remember that film. So yeah wasn't it with the red troopers guards. Rey throws the saber to him and he turns it off and on to kill one of them. That doesn't seem so much like a technique then a spur of a moment tactic adjustment. Plus was the saber ignited when it was thrown to him? God you're gonna make me watch that scene now. Okay I watched it. Kylo doesn't actually use that. Rey turns the lightsaber off and throws it to Kylo who ignites it into the guards face. Then he turns it off but the guards are dead.
Though while I didn't want to watch that scene. I did catch something I never noticed before watching it. Kylo throws one of the guards into a hole and his body parts just spray out. I a good laugh at that shit.
@@jasondiend4248 That fight scene is like those pictures of "The longer you look at it, the worse it gets."
"In Jedi culture this is considered a dick move"
In the times that the Jedi Order were in charge and had major influence, it would be been dishonourable and reprimanded as it would of been highly policed, but compared to the times that came after the Jedi Order has been destroyed, no-one is there to police those using this fighting style now
Expecting Sith to be honorable is like expecting water to not make you wet 😂
That's a pretty cool fighting style imo, just takes advantage of the naives and the proud.
I can't deny that i like it when the sith fight dirty like that tho
To quote a not very good movie:
“You have no soul!”
“That is why I have no fear.”
Cal Kestis: Allow me to introduce myself
1:00 So now, Vader fought infant Luke in Revenge of the Sith?
I had the idea for a jedi character who weilds a lightsaber powered by fools kyber and uses trakata, since in a saberlock it's actually possible to push a lightsaber with a normal kyber crystal *through* the blade of one powered by fool's kyber, so his intent in battle is to feint like he *wants* to get into a lock, then just as his opponent goes to meet him he switches off the saber and lands a fatal blow before the fight can continue. Obviously this character is intended to be a sort of dark horse that everybody sees as weird or an outcast.
NGL, that triple tap was hella lit
Trakata was used by Cal kestis in bogano against the 2nd sister or whenever he uses the switch and split saber combo, the bedlum raider lieutenants with saber staffs also use the style on Cal.
Being in a galactic war for decades, coming up with vile techniques of greed and deception. Even slaughtering children, yet using the Trakata technique is like considered to be the biggest sin of hell that both sides won’t even use because it’s ✌🏼dishonorable✌🏼? Writers could have come up with a better reason why it’s rarely used like it could damage the lightsaber.
Light sabers simply don't extend fast enough for this to be viable move. It only makes sense if you think Jedi are complete pushovers or have never been in a fight before in your life.
Jedi: No honor
Sith: No balls
Wait, he used trakata on Jecki? I always thought that those three stabs was him just being quick with the thrusts. Are you saying those three stabs was him turning the shorter blade on and off each time? Or are they talking about the fact he pulled out a second blade mid combat in the first place?
"Likely just him trying to get into his head to make him unfocused in battle instead of actual psychological warfare"
But... getting in someone's head to make them less effective is the direct definition of psychological warfare.
i think its cool because it shows that he isnt like the rest of the sith and shows that he doesnt care about how he wins just that he wins
The idea of Trakata was created because enough fans said it was an obvious style that force wielders should use and Star Wars panicked and needed a solution as to why it wasnt used.
Problem is, its not a legitimate fighting style and qould in no way benefit the user. Name a form of combat in which you benefit from temporarily not having a weapon? It just doesnt work like that.
Jedi: "No honor."
Sith: "No balls."
Are we forgetting how it was portrayed in that one SWTOR cinematic?
I always thought (still do) he was just stabbing her with his shoto saber 3 times. He turns it on 1 click. Stabs her. Turns it off 2 clicks, changes direction of hilt, turns it back on 3 clicks, turns it back off 4 clicks, changes direction of hilt, turns it back on for the final time. 5 clicks in total.. just seems unnecessary and pretty difficult to do in a fight tbh. Since he also literally stabbed her first with it already being turned on.. seems like Disney just threw that into the description to try and cater to the audience who know of said technique.
I like the way they used that form. It's actually useful when they block the attack with their normal lightsaber and then use that small peice, unlike turning off your main lightsaber
Combining Trakata form with disabling your opponents lightsabers and wearing cortosis armour is a pretty lethal combo, no wonder so many jedi died here, they probably don't even know what Trakata is other than maybe Sol
I think canon should use it more. I can see an assassin-type character using it. Plus, it could make some interesting choreography and have some cool ways to counter it.
The green lightsaber twirls behind the back is ridiculously useless unless being attacked from behind and makes you vulnerable.
There might be an exception to this when using two sabers or a double sided saber. In both instances, Qimir and Merrik, either the original blade or the other half is still fully extended.
Trakata only seems to make sense because people think the choreographed moves we see in the big screen is how Jedi and Sith would fight in universe.
It's like saying there's a forbidden technique in wrestling called "attack your opponent when he is not prepared" that nobody uses because it's considered unsportmanlike in universe.
“Darth Vader uses it against Luke in Revenge of the Sith.”
Return of the Jedi*
It was The Empire Strikes Back, actually 🤓☝️
Bro is slipping.
For the character it makes sense. His entire reason for the way he is, is he doesn't like rules. That being reflected in his fight style is pretty cool
it's interesting how turning off your main source of defense and leaving you open to getting cut with life sabers or blaster lasers be considered "cowardice". That is by far one of the boldest moves you can pull off, and puts you in a lot of danger, a coward would definitely not turn it off at any time during a fight.
The Sith consider it "weakness" instead, since their whole thing is overpowering their enemies with their capabilities. Knowing how to use a lightsaber is a considerable task for them, and showing how unparaleled they are with it is the key to the fear and respect of the sith everyone has.
In HEMA/Kenjutsu (real life sword fighting) there's one paramount rule: if it's practical, if it works, use it. We're talking about a fight to the death here. Not taking advantage of your resources is not "Honor"; that's a Hollywood invention.
Being able to shorten your blade or disengage at grappling distance would be quite useful in an armed duel, as demonstrated by Visions.
I'd be way more pissed off by all those force users reverse gripping their sabers.
is fallen order cannon ? Because Cal sort of does it to humiliate the second sister on their third encounter I believe
Yup Fallen order is canon. I think he ment live action not overall.
Duelist X: Succh dishonorable tactics!
Duelist Y: Dishonor doesn't mean much when being preached by the dead now, does it?
While this does sound kind of useful, when you think about some of the people we have seen fighting with a saber, turning off your blade seems like a death sentence, as faster opponents like Yoda and Anakin would turn you into mince meat as soon as you lose the defense.
Man, this episode had so many easter eggs in it
I waited a long time for them to bring Teras Kasi into canon, only for it to have a 5 second cameo in Solo.... behind an elevator's closed doors...
I mean imagine instead of turning on and off in the middle of a duel... Just purely use it as a light speed instance poking lance in combat, maybe with a longer handle. It would be a nightmare!
There is something I do wonder. I really don't understand the move mostly because if a lightsaber is powered through the crystal and resonates with the Force-user - wouldn't that technically break off their mental and physical connection for a short moment before reigniting it?
also to note some of the bedlam raiders in Jedi Survivor that were given lightsabers by Dagan also had used the on off technique.
Honestly, I love the fact that most Sith wont use cheap tactics as they see it as a sign of weakness.
Senya also fought kinda like that in the Swtor Cinematic. Although her Lightsaber was out most of the time and she turned it on only to finish her enemies. That was a bad ass fight. I'm not sure if it was that style, but it looked cool.
Using a dishonorable fighting style is a bit less of a problem than killing a kid and then pretending you're a victim. They didn't think this through very well.
"Wasn't shown in cannon"
Proceeds to show it in Ahsoka
Showed it being used in Ahsoka but also your explanation of it would mean that Kylo Ren used it in episode 8 in the throne room fight.
Is it just me or what he does is just stabbing her 3 times, and not doing any on-off trick? You can clearly see his shoulder moving while he moves the short sword.
Dooku used it. He specially made his lightsaber to change lengths with a switch.
I know it’s a move that fans question why we don’t see more of
But making it canon seems silly too
When you’re in a sword fight, you’re not trying to hit their blade, you’re trying to hit them. So turning off your lightsaber would put you at a huge disadvantage unless you have plot armor of course.
Tho I’ll be devil’s advocate when I say the character splitting the blade, using one for defense and the other as more or less a short range firearm is a pretty solid way to go about it if you did.
Sol kinda uses it too in the final fight right at the end before he cuts qimirs lightsaber
In all honesty, there is no fairness or true loyalty in battle, only the winners who have survived.
That why they say
“war is hell.”
Jedi: "unsportsmanlike, you brought shame to your honor"
Real Sith: "You are a weak, pathetic coward with no power. Pathetic"
Aah that makes so much sense! I thought the triple-holepunch was super cool but it felt too smooth and quick to be three stabs - thanks for scratching that brain itch!
Not only does he use it to finish Jecki, but also in the very beginning of that episode, around 3 minutes 15 seconds in.
I think you’re forgetting that literally in Jedi survivor there was a Enemy that did this
honestly wanna see more of this style because realistically if it works then why wouldn't people use it
Jedi and sith: I hate you I hate you but if you turn your lightsaber off you do not associate with either of us