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@@Mushisamurai he steals them from Nick Gillard, pretends to get it from a “secret area” go watch his interview with star wars theory, Star Wars analyst is a POS
Bro you steal from Nick Gillard and he asked you to stop and you keep doing it. Anyways follow nick gillard and you can watch everything he is showing for free! Go follow real channels like Star Wars theory or nick gillard him self and stop supporting a man who steals and lies!
Maybe thats why the jedi masters easily died, the actors were so flabbergasted that a 60yr old man managed to do it, prob also in one take Ian McDiarmid: **successfully jumps and spins** Agen Kolar: "Holy shit guys Ian actually did i-aaauuugggh **gets stabbed**" Saesee Tiin: "Ww-wait wha-aaaaaghh **gets stabbed**" Kit Fisto: "**parrying** Whoa whoa are we really doi- **gets sliced**" George Lucas: "Ok cut! Eh seems good enough. Now Sam, go have a staring contest with Ian for the next scene"
Yeah, watching the nice old guy suddenly grab your weapon and then slaughter three people you were on decent (if strained) terms with would lend a lot of weight to Windu's argument to forego due process in this case.
Imagine being the stunt guy that trained for 6 months to do this scene, and George comes in the very last day and is like, "So, this morning as I was eating my cornflakes, it came to me. How about we do the complete opposite of what I said 6 months ago." Stunt Guy: But what about me? George: Who are you again? How did you get in here?
@@cz5836you do know some stuntmen either do it for money or care for their craft, we don't know how he felt when the scene was scrapped, he probably didn't care or was probably pissed his skills were wasted that would potentially be the magnum opus of his career.
@@angeloluna529 Anyone who points out me assuming that he doesn't care, is also assuming he does. I'm aware that hard work often wants to be appreciated, but the reality is, most stuntment don't ever make it as movie stars. So assuming he doesn't care would be more realistic as he probably knew better than to get his hopes up for anything. He got paid, and was able to feed his family, and that probably mattered more.
Wait. Nobody gonna talk about how he casually says he texted the fight choreographer?? W my man. I can wait til a fan edits faces and backgrounds over this choreo!!!
With the state of generative AI tools these days, this wouldn't even be that difficult.....Control Nets in Stable Diffusion to handle the body poses, LoRa/Lycoris to get the faces and outfits correct.....hmmm, would be an interesting project to be sure.
@@Blupearl2003 exactly, that's the reason why there's zero fan edits out there, because they don't have the right, it's the same reason why you can only get a movie legally and can't physically watch it for free.
Watching the mightiest Sith Lord take on 4 Jedi at once with slow little tickly pokes was just the biggest WTF in the theater...what an absolute shame they didn't use the stuntman.
This is all interesting that there could have been a more grand scale fight but 3 of 4 Jedi being totally incompetent actually does reinforce the ongoing plot in the prequels that the jedi order has become weak and lost its way.
@@MerchantIvoryfilms I'm not really that heavily interested in behind the scenes movie making production issues. You are the one that said it was a WTF moment within the end product movie. That it fits in with the existing lore is perfectly relevant.
Bro, Palpatine is just so fast, that the other 3 Jedi just couldn't see his movements. The whole shoot was in slow motion, so that the audience could see all the moves.
@@Starryeyed55 right. I'll be delusional over supporting a billion dollar company who made Luke the complete opposite of what he trained to avoid for 3 movies, making Anakin's sacrifices to destroy the sith null and void, and making lightning a power given by a family name instead of drawing hatred from the force. I'll gladly be delusional over that Disney shit. You can have it
@@alexpokrandt4378 This makes me sad cuz I know it will never happen. But at least we got what we got... All Clone Wars fights are either good, amazing or legendary.
The fact that he would have used Anakin's lightsaber now explains an old action figure from 2005. When they first released all the ROTS toys prior to the movie coming out, there was a Palpatine action figure from that scene where he had a blue saber instead of red. Because it was believed to be an error, it was quickly changed to red and the blue saber version became extremely rare. And even more interesting, that figure also seems to be holding Anakin's hilt. Guess now we know it was never an error after all
To add to what you correctly said, I think the scene would also have worked much better if Anakin had arrived AFTER Palpatine had had his force lightning reflected back at him. Anakin would then not know how it happened. He might assume Windu had done it. The shock value for him of seeing his friend disfigured would have been greater. Also as a plea for sympathy "Hey, Anni, I was just chilling in my office when he just burst in and attacked me, look what he did to my face!" works far better than "Hey, Anni, I know I just revealed my badass sith power which I lied to you about by trying to fry Mace alive like a chicken, but I'm just a nice, innocent old guy, honest!"
Ani already knew Palpatine was an evil Sith Lord before the fight. the decision was either let an evil asshole die, or keep him around to help save his wife. and Mace trying to extrajudicially murder him was just the final straw.
I disagree tbh, I think the scene is perfect as is. Lucas wasn't an idiot and this scene didn't happen in a vacuum. If anakin walked in afterwards his decision to help palpatine would've made him less responsible for what came after. He made the conscious decision to go against the Jedi here and join the sith, doing it your way would cheapen the choice he makes here and would have to happen later which may make anakin less susceptible overall and may result in him changing his kind
I think the whole point of the scene is that Palpatine could have easily won the fight without Anakin's help, but chose to hold off using his real power until he got Anakin to betray the Jedi.
@@russellmzAnother interpretation is that it only revealed his true nature. This is not The Rise of Skywalker, after all. That kick Mace did to disarm Sheev should have ended with his leg being chopped off. But if Sheev sensed Anakin's arrival and gave up willingly, Mace would have sensed that shift in his focus and seen an opportunity for the kick. Perhaps, that was exactly what Sheev wanted in that moment. The fact that Sheev unleashed his full power only seconds later, after Anakin sliced Mace's hand off, is all the proof I need for this. But I understand people who root for Windu, he is played by one of the most awesome actors in history.
Just adding my two cents: A somewhat drawn out fight between four Jedi and the Royal Guards would have been good had it remained in the final cut. It would have established that they weren’t disposable fodder (like stormtroopers) and would have made Yoda look so much more powerful when he dispatched two of them with a simple wave of his hand. IMHO.
Man, Nick got shafted so hard on revenge of the sith. He deserves better. Thank you for helping him gain some back-due recognition for all his unseen efforts on the prequels.
I could have gone my entire life without knowing this info, but now that I know this I'm so mad and deeply saddened that this awesome fight scene was scrapped 😖
From what I read, those three masters were Windu's possie. Like those were the four best duelists in the ENTIRE jedi order. Worst part is the guy who goes down like a bitch in the first two seconds is part of a race with natural precognitive abilities. Since he was a jedi master those abilities would've been sharpened to a razor's edge... but he didn't see that slow ass stab coming
I understand the concept of the three other Jedi around Palpatine being surprised by his reveal/approach but them going down so quickly does feel a little cheap on their behalf. It would make sense if one or two of them were slain right away due to surprise, but the original intention of having Kit Fisto last longer makes more sense. I think the overall fight between Palpatine and Mace actually works pretty well in the film if you don't have the context of this extra footage. I'm kinda confused why they didn't use the full choreo with the stunt double because they obviously did use a stunt double for _some_ shots in the final. The blocking of that entire scene seemed to have been a bit of a mess from the start - but I still enjoy it immensely in the film
The movie would have played better if General Grievous was an unseen offscreen mcguffin who only serves to isolate Anakin from Obi-Wan, by cutting all of the GG scenes there would have been more time to focus on the important aspect of the film which is the corruption of Anakin Skywalker. I don't mind truncated Kit Fisto scenes largely because with all of the money and talent that they throw at these movies the aliens often look like Don Post masks. I should take that back Don Post masks in the 1970s looked better than what they pull off. I know people hate on Valloren but at least their aliens looked convincing.
Because mcdiarmid actually fighting at his age showed how raw palpatine was in power but how unpracticed he was in dueling which I think was lucas' goal and made it make more sense that mace out of everyone present was the only one who could stand against his ridiculous force power, as mace was a master duelist. It makes sense when you think about his reasoning for it, if palpatine was way cooler in this fire then that would imply every Jedi was way cooler as a result of them all being able to fight palpatine. Mace was number 2 power wise, anakin number 3, yoda 1, but palpatine was above them all. How would any Jedi actually be able to fight him if yoda couldn't even do it alone.
@@Jiub_SN He actually just wanted better close up shots and better visuality on the main actors. Using stunt actors would cause them to use a lot of none focused shots so that they could hide the faces better. In my opinion this was a mistake as palpetine is not only a great force user but also a very good dualist which is not portrayed in this movie through the 15 mins warning
I will say, Ian is such an insane actor that I really like the aggressive and evil grin on his face, the facial expressions as he fights, and the almost brutish and inelegant fighting style he used also. That said, the weak point is definitely that the first Jedi die so badly. A more choreographed fight but with still some of the close ups of Ian edited in really would have made this scene an all-timer. As it is, Ian alone makes this whole sequence my favorite thing in all the prequels.
Man…the first few seconds of the video is amazing. That fight would have been epic! I really, really wanted Palpatine to show off what Plagueis taught him. He openly stated that he only used a lightsaber to humiliate the Jedi. What a great opportunity to humble them.
@@StarWarsAnalyst shoot me, but I think its better as it was in the film. Palps seems like he is in way more control of the fight, which suits how powerful he is, the fight goes exactly how he wants it to. He easily dispatches the 3 jedis and leaves mace alive on purpose because he knows his rash anger will help ankin cross to the darkside. These deleted scenes make it seem like much more of a struggle which I don't feel portrays the disproportionate power levels of the combatants
@@andymatheson82 I agree palps was on an entirely different power lvl but mace was an exceptional duelist, in a straight up duel, mace was good enough to hold his own against anyone. The emperor could have ended it any time with direct force attacks, but at the end of the day he was a savagely brutal fùcker who relished hacking shit up lol
@@phil56892 the way I see it jedi are only able to use laser swords in a world that has guns because the force guides them on where to place the light saber, same with dueling its not reaction time or skill its how attuned to the force the duelist is. Palps easily wins because he is able to cloud the mind of the jedi, breaking down their connection to the force, essentially disguising his next move, which is why he cut down the first 3 so quick, they never sensed those strikes were coming. Mace is good and all but to me it still looks like Palps is just playing with his food. Mace for all his power and strength never once sensed who palps was. Essentially palps is so powerful he knows exactly what his opponents next move is while fully disguising his own. His duel with Mace seems like it was fully set up to trick anakin, it was and it worked
@@andymatheson82 "the way I see it jedi are only able to use laser swords in a world that has guns because the force guides them on where to place the light saber," Other then the fact that said force also enhances their reactions, physical capabilities, and gives them precognition not to mention that lightsabers would probably melt most bullets anyway and could easily just be "forced" away from the Jedi a lot easier compared to blasters (Not to mention blasters > bullets in most cases) the Jedi existing in a world with "guns" makes sense. They even have an lightsaber style dedicated to deflecting projectiles so it even makes more sense. Before thinking in what I call the "Open Field-Straight Line Fallacy" in which you just think you can shoot the other guy and he's running straight at you think about what else he has and does that make that a little bit more difficult since he's also trying to kill you and survive. Like, you can't just "shoot a jedi" because they're either fast, deflecting, and/or just holding their hand out and catching your shots as they come at you really fast. Context will help you land your shots Now with that tangent out of the way, there books make Palpatines fight with Mace and the other Jedi a lot more exciting and Anime-ish which as you know translate poorly to live action. Oal had two goals in that fight: kill Mace and/or take anakin. He failed one
This scene is described in the book, it's awesome. It details a lot more of the capabilities of Sidious... Him having a mastery of all light saber forms, and most impressively, his stunning speed. Would actually loved to have seen a more detailed version of this fight play out on screen.
@@JasonPerryman, no. In the novelization of RotS, it's mentioned that the reason Kit Fisto survived longer against Sidious than the other two was due to his extensive mastery of Shii-Cho and his extraordinary speed and reflexes, even for a Jedi Master. The only reason he was slain was because of a momentary lapse in judgment caused by Anakin's appearance, enabling Sidious to dispatch him. Windu, of course, was still just slightly better by a margin, using Vapaad to its' fullest extent, and the Shatterpoint ability to destroy Sidious' lightsaber after the latter had a moment of hesitation.
@@JasonPerryman I'm assuming you're okay with a bit of spoilers from the book if you're asking me this question. 😄 I can only really say that things play out a bit differently. The scene, like many others in the book, are given a lot more detail. For instance, the Dooku/Anakin duel was considerably longer in the book, going into Dooku's thought process and motivation a bit more. I guess that should be expected from a novel compared to a screenplay though. Sorry, got sidetracked 😅 The short answer is no. It goes somewhat like the movie. But it's up for debate whether Sidious let Windu "win"... Sidious decapitates, impales, and destroys two Jedi before dueling with Kit Fisto and Windu simultaneously. His speed was ridiculous and it appeared he was toying with/humiliating the Jedi almost. Mace even recognized at one point his Vaapad (form VII), which is itself a ferocious form of saber combat, could not overpower the sith. Some differences I can note in the novel are the brutal impaling and decapitation of the 2 Jedi in the beginning of combat, the 2 vs 1 with Kit and Windu against Sidious, Anakin is outside the window on a speeder watching all this go down instead on walking in last minute, and Windu cut the Dark Lord's saber instead of a kick to the face. At which point Sidious and Windu speak about fear (can't remember the conversation), instead of Sidious saying, "No, no, no... You will die!" Anyway... Long tangent, sorry. 😆 It's up for debate, but to answer your question, I think Sidious let's Windu "win" in both the movie and the novel. Not trying to discredit Windu, he was a ferocious fighter... But Sidious was on a whole different level.
In the beginning of the duel you hear what sounds like an inhuman scream as Palpatine leapt toward the group of Jedi. In my head canon this was a dark force scream that temporarily stunned some of the Jedi, allowing Palpatine to kill them quickly.
the first shooting of the scene in 03 with anakin there already, was done before fisto's actor was replaced from zach jensen to ben cooke who looks shorter (zach unavailable for reshoots maybe). it was also before fisto's prosthetics were altered slightly with the tentacles, final shoots having 2 of them arranged to the front instead of 4.
I’m not sure that’s true about the Kit Fisto actor being replaced after filming the original idea with anikan in the room. The episode 2 actor Zach Jensen was part of the construction crew for the sets specifically for episode 2 and was asked if he wanted to be in the film. Ben Cooke was a stunt performer hired to be doing stunts for episode 3. The one still that’s included in this video is very clearly the episode 3 mask. (Albeit perhaps a more rough stunt mask). If you put episode 2 and 3 kit fisto next to eachother you can see they’re done very differently. Episode actually has the actors own mouth free and painted to blend in with the prosthetic. Episode 3 has a very different mask that covers the entire face. I think these scenes were always Ben Cooke but the mask in the still is a stunt mask that isn’t glued down but perhaps allows more freedom. Maybe if more footage can be found we can know for sure, but I can’t imagine a crew member would be rehired to do specific stunt choreography imo.
@@charliejgoddard no there were photos of behind the scenes with fisto's ep3 style prosthetics on zach, but with 4 tentacles to the front like i said. right at 0:55 you can see this, the actor is also very tall- just like zach. the pics include the one that isn't here with the actor in the mask smiling while talking to someone on a cellphone, its clearly zach and the mask was from ep3.
How about instead of asking for unused content you believe was overlooked in an effort to patch the film you just ask for a remake of the film done in an actually compelling way.
Not only that, but also his willingness to interact with fans. I've posed a few behind-the-scenes questions to several celebrities & industry insiders, but only received a reply from one. Surprisingly, it was an actor who replied and not one of the behind-the-scenes people.
That was the lightsaber fight we deserved, but not the one we needed at the time I had no idea that the actor that played Palpatine had to learn that fight in 15 minutes, that’s rough
That's pitiful considering this one of the most anticipated films in decades and possibly one of the most important scenes to the fans. They only care about money
@@matthewsands3591 and Disney making Luke a bitter old man after NOT learning lessons of fear and hate after the events of the original trilogy is quite absurd as well.
Fun fact: That iconic scene at 0:36 was only done by the stunt double wearing wires to give Ian McDiarmid an indication of the choreography he was supposed to perform. The scene as we see it in the final cut was actually just McDiarmid doing it by himself, no after effects or wiring needed. According to Lucas, he managed it on his first attempt, hence why the cut from him drawing his lightsaber and making the leap was a bit jarring. The first attempt was so good that they decided they just had to stick with it. It was worth the rough cut.
Point of correction: the red robed guards weren't "royal" guards, they'd officially be the Chancellery Guard or Senate Guard, as the Galactic Republic hadn't been overthrown just yet.
I hate the OT special editions but PT SE would be interesting tbh with added deleted scenes and linger cuts perhaps. What I hope I could see before I die is that long mentioned 4 hour cut of ROTS which was supposedly amazing but way too long.
Nick Gillard just said on recording that you are the reason he won’t post more behind the scenes content. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us kid.
He is actually lying about quite a bit. Please read our actual exchange: ruclips.net/user/shorts2oOsLUwO0Hw?feature=share Then he didn’t respond and months later I received 6 copyright strikes. That’s when I lashed out at him because I had specifically told him that if he had any issue with my videos I would remove them. Instead he ignored me and filed copyright strikes months later
Wow that's even more disappointing to realize the fight team actually had real choreography prepared, but ... Oh George They ended up doing face replacement in that scene anyway.
Holy shit that original fight choreography looked like it would have been *LEGENDARY.* It just makes me even more upset that what we ended up getting turned out to be one of the worst scenes ever in the Star Wars movies.
I've always admired Kit Fisto him dying was saddening however it's a relief to know that Kit Fisto was capable of surviving the most deadly sith there ever was though not anymore sadly.
As controversial as some moments of the special editions may be, I'd love if we could get special edition versions of the prequels. Fix some cgi, finish editing & add back in some deleted scenes, maybe a few reshoots or re-recorded dialogue here & there while most of the cast is still around... Cut out Jar Jar's poop & fart jokes from Episode 1
@@mh2120 Well actually a special edition kind of does exist for TPM already. Yoda got an update and the podrace was completely re-edited. It arguably was changed the most out of any Star Wars movie
I would love to see more action from Fisto, it really is a shame how little screen time he got, and how quickly he was struck down. He is one of the best Jedi out there, but the films made it seem like he was nothing. At least he has more screen time and a few episodes mostly to himself in Star Wars The Clone Wars series.
What I said to Nick was absolutely disrespectful, abhorrent, and outright vile. However, it’s important to establish that Nick is leaving out key elements of the story as to why those things were said at all. He’s also adding in some lies (such as that I removed his logo/watermark, which I never did). Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the things that I said to such a hero in the fanbase, but I simply got caught up in my own rage of the moment. Allow me to explain from the very beginning. My conversation with Nick first began on October 14 when I explained that I like to analyze scenes that were deleted from Star Wars. I asked him if he could share the extended Palpatine vs 4 Jedi footage. I spoke to him with nothing but adoration, praise, and respect. 2 weeks later on November 1st, he shared the very footage that I had asked for, and I sent him another message letting him know how much I appreciated him for doing that. We chatted back and forth a bit, but I didn’t hear back from him again until about a week later. On November 8th, rather than texting me like usual, he sent me an email cursing at me. Despite him cursing at me, I was very apologetic, respectful, and even said “If you want me to remove anything or make any changes, please just let me know...” He didn’t respond to me, so I decided to send him another text message where I told him “Hopefully you can see man to man, that this was just a misunderstanding. I fully apologize and want you to know that I’m genuinely sorry. If you’d like me to remove the content, please let me know…” He NEVER responded to this text message, and I did not hear from him again until 2 months later. I was more than willing to take down the videos, or make any adjustments, but then in January, I received 6 copyright takedown notifications from Nick. This was when I sent those nasty messages to him. Was I wrong? Of course I was. There’s no excuse for that amount of disrespect. I was just very upset and overwhelmed about my channel receiving so many copyright strikes when I had specifically told him that I would just remove anything that he wanted me to. I would like the opportunity to apologize to Nick myself, but naturally, I have since been blocked. Attached are some text messages and emails that show what really happened from the beginning…👇 ruclips.net/user/shorts2oOsLUwO0Hw?feature=share
I hope someday we get this whole sequence even if it’s never put back into the movie and it’s just raw footage. The lightsaber skills demonstrated in what you were able to show in this video was superior. 👍🏽👍🏽😎
With the current video editing technology available to tech-savvy fans, a completely "restored" cinematic-quality version of the sequence could be made (and probably *will* be made if the complete raw footage is ever released or leaked)
While I think an extended fight scene would have been cool, I think the shorter one works better for the story. It demonstrates how powerful Sidious was (able to take down multiple Jedi Masters quickly) and shows how truly un-prepared the Jedi were; they thought it would be a simple fight, akin to fighting Count Dooku.
calling dooku a simple fight... clearly disney has addled your mind. dooku was the preeminent lightsaber duelist of that era, no one could best him in single combat. he was famed for it while in the order. he was the only living force user of that era to master form 2 a style dedicated to fighting against other lightsaber wielders, making him practically a hard counter to any jedi which is why palpatine grabbed him up as a temporary replacement apprentice for the decade surrounding the clone wars. his mastery of the force was rivaled only by yoda, and his mastery of the lightsaber was rivaled by none.
@@e.corellius4495Yeah, Dooku is clearly right behind Anakin in terms of power at this point. Which means he mopped the floor with all except 3 Jedi. Let's also remember that Sheev betrayed him at very last moment, 2 hands could have been replaced. But Anakin killing him was never part of the plan, as far as Dooku was concerned. People seem to forget that he held his own against Yoda, even if he decided to run in the end. For one, he would have stomped Maul, even in his 20s. The dark side made him stronger, according to Yoda. Or at least the general experience since they last saw each other did. The point is, Dooku was at his peak in his 80s. And he mopped the floor with everyone except his master and 3 Jedi (Yoda, Mace and Anakin). That makes him one of the strongest Force-sensitives in galactic history.
How do you people not understand that Dooku was not the preeminent lightsaber dualist. Mace. Windu. He was the greatest lightsaber dualist. The only user of Vapaad that didn't fall to the Dark Side.
@@jacobwalsh1888 It's not just about lightsabers, bro. Windu was not stronger than Yoda. And since Yoda stalemated Sheev, it's even possible that Sheev's loss against Mace was a ploy because he sensed Anakin arriving. Mace was never the top dog, George Lucas even confirmed this himself. He actually lost to Dooku in a sparring contest, before he turned to the dark side. Now, that doesn't say much since both of them got stronger later on. But Dooku was no joke.
@@StarWarsAnalyst Maybe this was Lucas descent into the endless changes madness that he kept making to to the movies. Seems so weird to organize a stunt double and then on the day of filming change his mind.
I read the ROTS Novelization & it was awesome what happened in that book compared to the movie. Palpatine's force pulls his lightsaber which cuts the Jedi in half & then he also has an audio tape of him faking to beg for help.
I know right ? Doesn't it make sense to go with the novelisation ? Out of the 3 options (novel, director's cut, final cut) we get the worst one of all where 2 Jedi Master simply get stabbed
@@ronki23 Yeah it's lame & yes you're absolutely right. I love ROTS so much but that would have improved the movie so it's not perfect but it's still awesome.
I do agree that they should have kept the original plan but I think that the version in the movie really shows how powerful yoda and sidious really are
That scene always disappointed me. 4 of the most experienced and powerful Jedi on our way to capture a Sith Lord so powerful he's hidden under our noses for over a decade, and we'll just stand there and get stabbed.
We the fans deserve a full, extended version of the fight. Either as a part of the special features, or the entire scene replaced with the full fight. Oh well 🤷🏻♂️
Thank-you. I remember watching the Lucas ‘changing it to McDiarmed fighting’ on the special features and could see he was being an unreasonable ****! They did only need him for the close ups!
That's awesome Nick gives you information and content to share. It's hard to imagine how Lucas could have gotten this pivotal moment so wrong. Changing the fight and forcing Ian to do it not only made the fight pathetic, but also made the Jedi who went with Windu look beyond inept. I would love to have seen the duel we are getting glimpses of here.
60 year old with no experience who has to learn the fight in 15 minutes? or a professionally trained stunt double who spent the last 3 weeks practicing this exact choreography? I mean let’s cut George some slack it was a tough decision… NOT!
@@essbe7158 The interview where Nick tells what is happening here is on Star Wars Theory "Nick Gillard BREAKS The Internet STAR WARS Prequels MASSIVE Interview" at ruclips.net/video/wtTjZtqvkic/видео.html . I wonder if this post will be deleted? A man with nothing to hide, hides nothing.
This explain a lot. The fight between Dooku and Kenobi/Anakin at the end of AotC was clearly cut short to make space for a duel against Yoda, a late addition to the script. In the BTS the stunt coordinator tells he created a choreography that would have intensify with time, each next move nearly a checkmate. Instead, we got a shorter version that ends with Kenobi knocked down and an abrupt cut to Anakin with his arm wide open for no reason only to be cut by a light saber.
The part about him being a Shakespearean actor makes me imagine a slightly altered classic line.. “whether tis nobler to suffer the sabers and blasters of outrageous fortune, or take arms against a sea of Jedi…” then Anakin runs in, “Oooo, did somebody say something about taking arms? Or maybe.. haaands? 😏”
This would’ve definitely been way better but we can give Lucas a pass. Also would’ve been so sick to see the royal guards fight… we never got to see them fight one single time in all of Star Wars yet everytime I saw them even as a kid I was always intrigued by them. Thought they looked so rad.
I personally like the film version. It shows the skill and power gap between the others compared to mace and palpatine. Mace and palpatine were just too powerful for the others to keep up.
I'm not too upset about three jedi masters getting killed within minutes of igniting their lightsabers, but I think it works out with the whole theme of the prequels: The jedi order had grown arrogant and stagnant in their position of power. It makes sense that as soon as the secret sith lord was discovered, they'd walk in there and assume everything would go exactly like it did a thousand years ago when the sith order was (supposedly) wiped out. In their arrogance, they had no reason to assume Palpatine would be a threat, especially not against four jedi masters. They were mistaken.
Jesus that stunt double would have really shown how powerful Palpatine is. That is some of the best dueling I’ve seen in Star Wars. Maybe one day they’ll go back and add/fix it like they did some scenes in the original trilogy.
I think the version we got portrayed just how powerful Palpatine was. The opening Sith Scream took three Jedi masters by surprise and gave the opportunity for Palpatine to cut two down instantly and easily take out a third with barely a fight.
People are talking about how the fans were robbed. What about McDiarmid? If I were a professional actor, I'd be pissed to be made to look like a complete twat because I wasn't properly trained for a scene. Oh you don't know how to use a sabre because we haven't trained you at all this year? No problem, twirl it around a bit, we'll have the other grandmasters trip into your pointy end, and bam, end scene. Here, practice waving it around for 10 minutes...and roll!
I do agree that the fight scene would've been awesome to see, but the three members of the Jedi Counsel being killed before they can get a few swings in just makes Palpatine seem more powerful and menacing.
I mean to be fair, only Kit and Mace did anything in the original fight anyway. The other two (Tin and Kolar) get bodied just as fast as the movie. Kit actually backs up Mace originally and even holds his own for a good chunk of the overall fight. He only ends up dying because Palpatine specifically fought with only one blade and used the most aggressive form to ramp up his speed and give Kit less room to swing. Kit's form works best against multiple opponents or multiple swords, and he was THE BEST up to this point in history at it. I've seen legitimate arguments that Kit was better at swordsmanship than Anakin and Obi-wan, and the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" of the forms is why he wasnt the best duelest period.
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Often a lot of the time we're WOWED by new footage is because we've seen the original so many times that we cant not center on and become fixated by the mistakes or how we think the fights could have gone better. Personally I like the idea that Palpatine goes off and cuts through 3 of the Jedi like they were nothing before going toe to toe with Mace. But I also feel that Palpatine was stalling for time before Anakin arrived so he Palpatine could put himself in a vulnerable position and allow Anakin to make a decision, I don't think for a moment that Palpatine was ever in danger or ever out of control. He's like Hannibal Lecter with a lightsaber. And the fact he just goes through 3 Jedi like they were nothing helps back up just how powerful Palpatine was. Still, I would have enjoyed watching a fight where he did a bunch of ninja moves with 4 Jedi masters. But that's after the fact, at the cinema back in 2005 I was like 'WOW!!! Damn look at that'. I was 17 and WOWZERS!!! One minute he's this calm, aging politician and the next he's zipping around in the air and giving Mace a run for his money, which I enjoyed because I always thought Mace was a smug git. But then after multiple, multiple and multiple re watches I was like hang on a minute!!! Why is he carrying Anakin's lightsaber, why are there all these strange closeups of Ian pulling funny faces and wielding a lightsaber like he's a stiff old man, as opposed to a powerful Sith lord.
It would be great to have that original scene, with stunt double fighting, but with Anakin coming in instead of having been there. The best of both worlds
Honestly, if they HAD a little more budget or used that budget to THIS fight then it would've been probably one of the most talked about movie moments of the 2000's.
Damn. I had no idea about this at all. This could have been amazing! Anakin coming in at the end makes sense but him witnessing the entire duel could have worked too. He's witnessing someone who is more powerful than the Jedi. That would also convince him that Palpatine DOES have the power.
What I love about high level lightsaber combat is it's basically a 3 dimensional chess game being played by prescient beings, an intensely sophisticated dance of moves and counter-moves, where any mistake could spell instant death or lifelong disfigurement. The only way to avoid that fate is to drill yourself to be the peak of martial arts. Beyond that, it comes down to your ability in the Force and your own resourcefulness. In Palpatine's case, he and the Sith loathed the Jedi so much that he forced himself to master all forms of it to humiliate them.
Maybe Lucas forgot he wasn't talking about Christopher Lee, who had been a fencer longer than most of us watching have been alive. He was such a cool dude. RIP hero.
what we really need is an animated remake of ROTS in the clone wars animation style, which includes this version of the fight and the other stuff we never got to see.
George definitely dropped the ball on that sequence. I remember seeing it in the theater and was thinking to myself "what the h-e-double hockey sticks is this?" It was oozing with CGI and terrible choreography. That sequence deserved so much more than the final cut presented.
Interesting to learn, thanks. Not sure if it really would've been "the best", but I'm a little lukewarm on the flashy jedi fights in general. They're not bad, they just consistently always feel a bit fake since there's a lot of "flashy for flashy's sake" moves that get used. Honestly Andor is quickly becoming my favorite Star Wars content because it's so grounded and realistic. When someone pulls a blaster, it's a real threat instead of a joke. That's what I'd love to see from Star Wars: the version where force users are grounded. Where you _can_ block blaster shots, but it requires concentration, and if the enemy distracts or overwhelms you, you get hit and die. Where non-force-users approach combat smarter, probably using their ranged advantage or traps in order to deal with the jedi threat. It'd be fine if 'anti-Jedi tactics' aren't well-known because this hypothetical series takes place in a time when they're rare, but that still won't mean that a guy with a blaster is going to slowly walk forward firing it -- he's going to take cover and shoot smart. And then when you do get to the actual saber vs. saber duels, have them really feel like serious sword fights where death is on the line. Fewer flashy moves. Probably don't _entirely_ eliminate flashiness: I'm not recommending The Duelists-style fights where much of the duel is spent waiting and looking for minute openings before striking (extremely realistic, but also quite boring). I'm just hoping for a middle ground where the swords feel more real and lethal and the participants really feel like they're fighting a life-or-death struggle. Basically it's a bit like wanting 'Andor with Jedi' (but I also still want Andor; it's amazing).
He looked like an old man who'd never held a lightsabre before and the jedi looked like blind drunk vagrants who were paid to let themselves be killed.
@@matthewsands3591 Hey, he is no count Dooku to look for style points. He simply gets the job done. You do not need fencing if you are too quick for your enemies to defend against. You simply insert your blade in their vital parts and then you move on and they pass on.
@@u.v.s.5583 except what we saw was slow and looked like an arthritic cripple could do better. These are supposed to be jedi masters with lightening reflexes and skill. They looked like drunk vagrants who intentionally let themselves be killed. There's no two ways about it. That scene was pathetically bad.
@@matthewsands3591 A normal sith lord is much stronger than a normal Jedi knight. Palps is one of the strongest ever. Of course lazy ass jedi masters will fall like grass in front of him.
@@u.v.s.5583 I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. I don't have a problem with Sidious being stronger and killing them all. My problem is how badly it was depicted. It didn't look like we were watching a powerful Sith Lord killing jedi masters with superior speed and skill. It looked like a slow, arthritic, old man who'd never held a lightsabre before easily stabbing 3 blind drunk vagrants who'd been paid to let themselves be killed. The originally prepared scene had the same outcome but more effort was made to make it look like the jedi were trying to fight, with stunt doubles doing most if the fight with complex choreography that they'd practiced and prepared for months afterwards, but Lucas changed it last minute because he wanted the real actor to do most of it, giving the actor 10 minutes to prepare. Which is why it looked so pathetic awful.
The day they reveal they will use all the footage and great visuel effect to make the Revanche of the Sith Prenium Edition, I will invest on it. But seriously, don't take all the shoot. Some simply don't make sens. And don't forget, if you killed Shaak Ti, you strike Starkiller
Georges is so chaotic. Changing his mind all the time long before it's to late to make change. Did people realise let him working alone without restriction broke the second trilogy ? He said he made the first one so he is capable of great thing? Don't listen to him, this Guy always have take all credits. Truly regrettable
Ooooh... I always wondered why Ian mcdermid was using one of Anakins stunt sabers in that duel switching back and forth to his, now it makes sense 20 years later!
George has an interesting sense of what's necessary and proper. i appreciate that he wanted to be able to say ''that WAS Ian. we didn't cut corners, we did it the hard way, i think what we gave up for that WAS worth it.'' i think that when we see more and more CGI and AI replace the actors with digital models, way beyond Andy Serkis Mo-Cap, George will be vindicated for this decision, for this fight, but at the same there's no denying that A LOT was sacrificed and this decision was not cheap. i like the zoom in shots on faces, i like imagining what's going through the minds of the characters as much as l like seeing the combat moves. George has in mind what his ideal audience is, and i know he wants to tell his story to people who can fill in some of the missing parts with their imagination. obviously A New Hope was not as action packed a saber fight as it could have been, but George figured that the emotions of the Death Star duel was more important that the physical fight moves, and he was definitely right about that one. maybe there is no perfect way to do Emperor Palpatine dueling because no actor that could play a good Palpatine in a remake is likely to be able to physically do the fight scene without going to more CGI. there's always going to the question of the trade-off, when is CGI good to add and when is it bad. George's decisions on the subject are controversial, but very thought-provoking, and i like how deliberate he is. he has a reason every time, even when people don't agree with him. i like trying to understand his vision the way he wanted it made.
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I don’t think so.. they still kept their sabers
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it amazes me how Ian McDiarmid could do the epic corkscrew jump opening with just 15 minutes of training, absolute legend
A Shakespearean actor is/was trained in swordsmanship
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No training, Lucas said to change the fight to match Ian, so they included his sick flip
Maybe thats why the jedi masters easily died, the actors were so flabbergasted that a 60yr old man managed to do it, prob also in one take
Ian McDiarmid: **successfully jumps and spins**
Agen Kolar: "Holy shit guys Ian actually did i-aaauuugggh **gets stabbed**"
Saesee Tiin: "Ww-wait wha-aaaaaghh **gets stabbed**"
Kit Fisto: "**parrying** Whoa whoa are we really doi- **gets sliced**"
George Lucas: "Ok cut! Eh seems good enough. Now Sam, go have a staring contest with Ian for the next scene"
Props to McDiarmid, a 60-year old classical actor, for pulling off of those sick flips while swinging at Sam Jackson
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Hahahaha. This made my day.
Can just imagine him flying out of his chair doing that corkscrew attack "ROOAARRGG!"
Props for being able to fight Sam Jackson and win
@@TheGrandOracle he lost
They should have kept the full duel, but the change to have Anakin arrive at the end of the fight works perfectly.
Yeah, watching the nice old guy suddenly grab your weapon and then slaughter three people you were on decent (if strained) terms with would lend a lot of weight to Windu's argument to forego due process in this case.
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@@Radiodragonofdoomyeah maces line of hes too dangerous to be left alive wouldve has some real weight
Agreed
Imagine being the stunt guy that trained for 6 months to do this scene, and George comes in the very last day and is like,
"So, this morning as I was eating my cornflakes, it came to me. How about we do the complete opposite of what I said 6 months ago."
Stunt Guy: But what about me?
George: Who are you again? How did you get in here?
Pretty sure the stuntman didn't care. He was paid, all the same.
@@cz5836 Are you kidding me, his skills could have been immortalised on screen in a Star Wars movie for all time.
@@cattysplat I'm not saying it wouldn't have been nice for him, but he knew what it was when he signed up.
@@cz5836you do know some stuntmen either do it for money or care for their craft, we don't know how he felt when the scene was scrapped, he probably didn't care or was probably pissed his skills were wasted that would potentially be the magnum opus of his career.
@@angeloluna529 Anyone who points out me assuming that he doesn't care, is also assuming he does. I'm aware that hard work often wants to be appreciated, but the reality is, most stuntment don't ever make it as movie stars. So assuming he doesn't care would be more realistic as he probably knew better than to get his hopes up for anything. He got paid, and was able to feed his family, and that probably mattered more.
Wait. Nobody gonna talk about how he casually says he texted the fight choreographer?? W my man. I can wait til a fan edits faces and backgrounds over this choreo!!!
Damn 7 million subscribers!!
With the state of generative AI tools these days, this wouldn't even be that difficult.....Control Nets in Stable Diffusion to handle the body poses, LoRa/Lycoris to get the faces and outfits correct.....hmmm, would be an interesting project to be sure.
Seems like thats Lucasfilm property and not someone's else to release.
@@Blupearl2003 exactly, that's the reason why there's zero fan edits out there, because they don't have the right, it's the same reason why you can only get a movie legally and can't physically watch it for free.
Awesome
Watching the mightiest Sith Lord take on 4 Jedi at once with slow little tickly pokes was just the biggest WTF in the theater...what an absolute shame they didn't use the stuntman.
This is all interesting that there could have been a more grand scale fight but 3 of 4 Jedi being totally incompetent actually does reinforce the ongoing plot in the prequels that the jedi order has become weak and lost its way.
@@YTAG33 Or again for the 2nd time...they didn't use the Stuntmen lol. Stop applying "Lore" to a "film production" issue.
@@MerchantIvoryfilms I'm not really that heavily interested in behind the scenes movie making production issues. You are the one that said it was a WTF moment within the end product movie. That it fits in with the existing lore is perfectly relevant.
Bro, Palpatine is just so fast, that the other 3 Jedi just couldn't see his movements. The whole shoot was in slow motion, so that the audience could see all the moves.
@@MrAngerius Did you watch the video? LMAO!
It blows my mind the tools Lucas had and some of his final decisions were so mind boggling…
Disney has too many chefs, lucas had too many yes men
I'll take his mistakes over Disney's ownership
@@Amp661 you’re delusional
I wish he wouldve made these movies in the early or mid 90s instead, they probably wouldve turned out much better
@@Starryeyed55 right. I'll be delusional over supporting a billion dollar company who made Luke the complete opposite of what he trained to avoid for 3 movies, making Anakin's sacrifices to destroy the sith null and void, and making lightning a power given by a family name instead of drawing hatred from the force. I'll gladly be delusional over that Disney shit. You can have it
The fight choreography in the deleted scenes are absolutely stunning and would’ve been the best in the series
@@alexpokrandt4378 This makes me sad cuz I know it will never happen. But at least we got what we got... All Clone Wars fights are either good, amazing or legendary.
The fact that he would have used Anakin's lightsaber now explains an old action figure from 2005. When they first released all the ROTS toys prior to the movie coming out, there was a Palpatine action figure from that scene where he had a blue saber instead of red. Because it was believed to be an error, it was quickly changed to red and the blue saber version became extremely rare. And even more interesting, that figure also seems to be holding Anakin's hilt. Guess now we know it was never an error after all
There used to be an old video called Sidious Blue and the guy made a making of video where he explained all that stuff.
I wish it were still up today
Stuff like that ends up becoming very valuable over time because it’s rare. Star Wars merchandise especially.
To add to what you correctly said, I think the scene would also have worked much better if Anakin had arrived AFTER Palpatine had had his force lightning reflected back at him. Anakin would then not know how it happened. He might assume Windu had done it. The shock value for him of seeing his friend disfigured would have been greater. Also as a plea for sympathy "Hey, Anni, I was just chilling in my office when he just burst in and attacked me, look what he did to my face!" works far better than "Hey, Anni, I know I just revealed my badass sith power which I lied to you about by trying to fry Mace alive like a chicken, but I'm just a nice, innocent old guy, honest!"
Ani already knew Palpatine was an evil Sith Lord before the fight. the decision was either let an evil asshole die, or keep him around to help save his wife. and Mace trying to extrajudicially murder him was just the final straw.
I disagree tbh, I think the scene is perfect as is. Lucas wasn't an idiot and this scene didn't happen in a vacuum. If anakin walked in afterwards his decision to help palpatine would've made him less responsible for what came after. He made the conscious decision to go against the Jedi here and join the sith, doing it your way would cheapen the choice he makes here and would have to happen later which may make anakin less susceptible overall and may result in him changing his kind
I think the whole point of the scene is that Palpatine could have easily won the fight without Anakin's help, but chose to hold off using his real power until he got Anakin to betray the Jedi.
@@theneoreformationist he let the reversed lightning melt his face...?
@@russellmzAnother interpretation is that it only revealed his true nature. This is not The Rise of Skywalker, after all.
That kick Mace did to disarm Sheev should have ended with his leg being chopped off. But if Sheev sensed Anakin's arrival and gave up willingly, Mace would have sensed that shift in his focus and seen an opportunity for the kick. Perhaps, that was exactly what Sheev wanted in that moment.
The fact that Sheev unleashed his full power only seconds later, after Anakin sliced Mace's hand off, is all the proof I need for this. But I understand people who root for Windu, he is played by one of the most awesome actors in history.
Just adding my two cents: A somewhat drawn out fight between four Jedi and the Royal Guards would have been good had it remained in the final cut. It would have established that they weren’t disposable fodder (like stormtroopers) and would have made Yoda look so much more powerful when he dispatched two of them with a simple wave of his hand. IMHO.
Totally agree
Eh, considering that Mace Windu was Yoda level that doesn't work.
BOOKS ARE NOT CANON. Lucas said that way back in 1999 because he knew the books contradicted what Lucas put in the movies
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@@electrictroy2010 because they’re often better lmfao
@@poolee77no most of them were utter garbage like resurrecting the emperor Grey and dark jedi the stupid vong invasion etc
Man, Nick got shafted so hard on revenge of the sith. He deserves better. Thank you for helping him gain some back-due recognition for all his unseen efforts on the prequels.
Prequels not sequels
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The scene really would of been 10x better with that deleted scene included those jedi died way too easily.
I could have gone my entire life without knowing this info, but now that I know this I'm so mad and deeply saddened that this awesome fight scene was scrapped 😖
From what I read, those three masters were Windu's possie. Like those were the four best duelists in the ENTIRE jedi order. Worst part is the guy who goes down like a bitch in the first two seconds is part of a race with natural precognitive abilities. Since he was a jedi master those abilities would've been sharpened to a razor's edge... but he didn't see that slow ass stab coming
@@Maverickgrindstar Force scream stun.
It would have been strange to have Palpatine kill 3 Jedi Masters and dual Mace Windu, while Anakin lingers in the background doing nothing.
@@thegreatpage5912 They could have refilmed it without him there. Lucas wanted Ian to do it so that was that.
I understand the concept of the three other Jedi around Palpatine being surprised by his reveal/approach but them going down so quickly does feel a little cheap on their behalf. It would make sense if one or two of them were slain right away due to surprise, but the original intention of having Kit Fisto last longer makes more sense. I think the overall fight between Palpatine and Mace actually works pretty well in the film if you don't have the context of this extra footage. I'm kinda confused why they didn't use the full choreo with the stunt double because they obviously did use a stunt double for _some_ shots in the final. The blocking of that entire scene seemed to have been a bit of a mess from the start - but I still enjoy it immensely in the film
The movie would have played better if General Grievous was an unseen offscreen mcguffin who only serves to isolate Anakin from Obi-Wan, by cutting all of the GG scenes there would have been more time to focus on the important aspect of the film which is the corruption of Anakin Skywalker. I don't mind truncated Kit Fisto scenes largely because with all of the money and talent that they throw at these movies the aliens often look like Don Post masks. I should take that back Don Post masks in the 1970s looked better than what they pull off. I know people hate on Valloren but at least their aliens looked convincing.
@andrion waser no
Because mcdiarmid actually fighting at his age showed how raw palpatine was in power but how unpracticed he was in dueling which I think was lucas' goal and made it make more sense that mace out of everyone present was the only one who could stand against his ridiculous force power, as mace was a master duelist. It makes sense when you think about his reasoning for it, if palpatine was way cooler in this fire then that would imply every Jedi was way cooler as a result of them all being able to fight palpatine. Mace was number 2 power wise, anakin number 3, yoda 1, but palpatine was above them all. How would any Jedi actually be able to fight him if yoda couldn't even do it alone.
@@Jiub_SN He actually just wanted better close up shots and better visuality on the main actors. Using stunt actors would cause them to use a lot of none focused shots so that they could hide the faces better. In my opinion this was a mistake as palpetine is not only a great force user but also a very good dualist which is not portrayed in this movie through the 15 mins warning
I will say, Ian is such an insane actor that I really like the aggressive and evil grin on his face, the facial expressions as he fights, and the almost brutish and inelegant fighting style he used also. That said, the weak point is definitely that the first Jedi die so badly. A more choreographed fight but with still some of the close ups of Ian edited in really would have made this scene an all-timer. As it is, Ian alone makes this whole sequence my favorite thing in all the prequels.
Man…the first few seconds of the video is amazing. That fight would have been epic! I really, really wanted Palpatine to show off what Plagueis taught him. He openly stated that he only used a lightsaber to humiliate the Jedi.
What a great opportunity to humble them.
Exactly
@@StarWarsAnalyst shoot me, but I think its better as it was in the film. Palps seems like he is in way more control of the fight, which suits how powerful he is, the fight goes exactly how he wants it to. He easily dispatches the 3 jedis and leaves mace alive on purpose because he knows his rash anger will help ankin cross to the darkside. These deleted scenes make it seem like much more of a struggle which I don't feel portrays the disproportionate power levels of the combatants
@@andymatheson82 I agree palps was on an entirely different power lvl but mace was an exceptional duelist, in a straight up duel, mace was good enough to hold his own against anyone. The emperor could have ended it any time with direct force attacks, but at the end of the day he was a savagely brutal fùcker who relished hacking shit up lol
@@phil56892 the way I see it jedi are only able to use laser swords in a world that has guns because the force guides them on where to place the light saber, same with dueling its not reaction time or skill its how attuned to the force the duelist is. Palps easily wins because he is able to cloud the mind of the jedi, breaking down their connection to the force, essentially disguising his next move, which is why he cut down the first 3 so quick, they never sensed those strikes were coming. Mace is good and all but to me it still looks like Palps is just playing with his food. Mace for all his power and strength never once sensed who palps was. Essentially palps is so powerful he knows exactly what his opponents next move is while fully disguising his own. His duel with Mace seems like it was fully set up to trick anakin, it was and it worked
@@andymatheson82 "the way I see it jedi are only able to use laser swords in a world that has guns because the force guides them on where to place the light saber,"
Other then the fact that said force also enhances their reactions, physical capabilities, and gives them precognition not to mention that lightsabers would probably melt most bullets anyway and could easily just be "forced" away from the Jedi a lot easier compared to blasters (Not to mention blasters > bullets in most cases) the Jedi existing in a world with "guns" makes sense. They even have an lightsaber style dedicated to deflecting projectiles so it even makes more sense.
Before thinking in what I call the "Open Field-Straight Line Fallacy" in which you just think you can shoot the other guy and he's running straight at you think about what else he has and does that make that a little bit more difficult since he's also trying to kill you and survive. Like, you can't just "shoot a jedi" because they're either fast, deflecting, and/or just holding their hand out and catching your shots as they come at you really fast. Context will help you land your shots
Now with that tangent out of the way, there books make Palpatines fight with Mace and the other Jedi a lot more exciting and Anime-ish which as you know translate poorly to live action. Oal had two goals in that fight: kill Mace and/or take anakin. He failed one
This scene is described in the book, it's awesome. It details a lot more of the capabilities of Sidious... Him having a mastery of all light saber forms, and most impressively, his stunning speed. Would actually loved to have seen a more detailed version of this fight play out on screen.
Does he beat Windu in the lightsabre fight in the book?
@@JasonPerryman, no. In the novelization of RotS, it's mentioned that the reason Kit Fisto survived longer against Sidious than the other two was due to his extensive mastery of Shii-Cho and his extraordinary speed and reflexes, even for a Jedi Master. The only reason he was slain was because of a momentary lapse in judgment caused by Anakin's appearance, enabling Sidious to dispatch him. Windu, of course, was still just slightly better by a margin, using Vapaad to its' fullest extent, and the Shatterpoint ability to destroy Sidious' lightsaber after the latter had a moment of hesitation.
@@JasonPerryman
I'm assuming you're okay with a bit of spoilers from the book if you're asking me this question. 😄
I can only really say that things play out a bit differently. The scene, like many others in the book, are given a lot more detail. For instance, the Dooku/Anakin duel was considerably longer in the book, going into Dooku's thought process and motivation a bit more. I guess that should be expected from a novel compared to a screenplay though.
Sorry, got sidetracked 😅
The short answer is no. It goes somewhat like the movie. But it's up for debate whether Sidious let Windu "win"... Sidious decapitates, impales, and destroys two Jedi before dueling with Kit Fisto and Windu simultaneously. His speed was ridiculous and it appeared he was toying with/humiliating the Jedi almost. Mace even recognized at one point his Vaapad (form VII), which is itself a ferocious form of saber combat, could not overpower the sith.
Some differences I can note in the novel are the brutal impaling and decapitation of the 2 Jedi in the beginning of combat, the 2 vs 1 with Kit and Windu against Sidious, Anakin is outside the window on a speeder watching all this go down instead on walking in last minute, and Windu cut the Dark Lord's saber instead of a kick to the face. At which point Sidious and Windu speak about fear (can't remember the conversation), instead of Sidious saying, "No, no, no... You will die!"
Anyway... Long tangent, sorry. 😆
It's up for debate, but to answer your question, I think Sidious let's Windu "win" in both the movie and the novel.
Not trying to discredit Windu, he was a ferocious fighter... But Sidious was on a whole different level.
@@sweebos Thank you very much. Interesting and exciting stuff.
@@annamarielee3 Thanks very much. Really great to see this extra depth to things.
1:43 having both the royal and senate guard in one room would've been an awesome fight
In the beginning of the duel you hear what sounds like an inhuman scream as Palpatine leapt toward the group of Jedi.
In my head canon this was a dark force scream that temporarily stunned some of the Jedi, allowing Palpatine to kill them quickly.
thats not even head canon, the Revenge novel basically says this
the first shooting of the scene in 03 with anakin there already, was done before fisto's actor was replaced from zach jensen to ben cooke who looks shorter (zach unavailable for reshoots maybe). it was also before fisto's prosthetics were altered slightly with the tentacles, final shoots having 2 of them arranged to the front instead of 4.
Ah I didn’t know this thank you
I’m not sure that’s true about the Kit Fisto actor being replaced after filming the original idea with anikan in the room.
The episode 2 actor Zach Jensen was part of the construction crew for the sets specifically for episode 2 and was asked if he wanted to be in the film.
Ben Cooke was a stunt performer hired to be doing stunts for episode 3.
The one still that’s included in this video is very clearly the episode 3 mask. (Albeit perhaps a more rough stunt mask).
If you put episode 2 and 3 kit fisto next to eachother you can see they’re done very differently.
Episode actually has the actors own mouth free and painted to blend in with the prosthetic. Episode 3 has a very different mask that covers the entire face.
I think these scenes were always Ben Cooke but the mask in the still is a stunt mask that isn’t glued down but perhaps allows more freedom. Maybe if more footage can be found we can know for sure, but I can’t imagine a crew member would be rehired to do specific stunt choreography imo.
@@charliejgoddard no there were photos of behind the scenes with fisto's ep3 style prosthetics on zach, but with 4 tentacles to the front like i said. right at 0:55 you can see this, the actor is also very tall- just like zach.
the pics include the one that isn't here with the actor in the mask smiling while talking to someone on a cellphone, its clearly zach and the mask was from ep3.
Here's what I want: an extended edition, animated in the Clone Wars style, with all of the deleted scenes restored...
Genius
How about instead of asking for unused content you believe was overlooked in an effort to patch the film you just ask for a remake of the film done in an actually compelling way.
Yo there is that look it up they leaked it it’s actually a good duel it has like 40k views
@@saintd_ii I'm pretty sure that's what he meant
@@kingpablothe1stoverlordoft871 He's asking for George's script to be patched up. George's script is stupid.
Send all the praise you can to Nick. He's vision and knowledge made star wars even more epic.
I can’t thank him enough
Not only that, but also his willingness to interact with fans. I've posed a few behind-the-scenes questions to several celebrities & industry insiders, but only received a reply from one. Surprisingly, it was an actor who replied and not one of the behind-the-scenes people.
*his
@@StarWarsAnalyst BRO! Theory literally showed a screenshot of what you sent Nick dawg, get outta here with that shiiiieettt 😂😂😂😂
@@0megacron you should see what Nick Gillard said about Star Wars analyst lololoooo
I always had a soft spot for this duel but damn, seeing what could have been is heartbreaking!
That was the lightsaber fight we deserved, but not the one we needed at the time
I had no idea that the actor that played Palpatine had to learn that fight in 15 minutes, that’s rough
That's pitiful considering this one of the most anticipated films in decades and possibly one of the most important scenes to the fans. They only care about money
That's rough and unprofessional by George Lucas.
You don't "deserve" anything, plus it's Lucas way with what he decides to do with his actors.
@@Amp661making that decision at the last minute is very unprofessional to the point of absurd.
@@matthewsands3591 and Disney making Luke a bitter old man after NOT learning lessons of fear and hate after the events of the original trilogy is quite absurd as well.
Not all heroes wear capes, thank you for your service sir
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Some wear robes instead lol
"NO CAPES!!"
Fun fact: That iconic scene at 0:36 was only done by the stunt double wearing wires to give Ian McDiarmid an indication of the choreography he was supposed to perform. The scene as we see it in the final cut was actually just McDiarmid doing it by himself, no after effects or wiring needed. According to Lucas, he managed it on his first attempt, hence why the cut from him drawing his lightsaber and making the leap was a bit jarring. The first attempt was so good that they decided they just had to stick with it. It was worth the rough cut.
Insane control over his body to do that without wired pulley assistance.
@@cattysplat For real. A true Shakespearean actor!
1:13 wtf am I looking at? That's a cgi face.
Point of correction: the red robed guards weren't "royal" guards, they'd officially be the Chancellery Guard or Senate Guard, as the Galactic Republic hadn't been overthrown just yet.
They should remake the prequel with all of these deleted scenes except the one with anakin being in palpatines office during the duel
I would ask for the "director's cut", but the director was exactly the problem to begin with!
@@WorthlessDeadEnd If you're trying to say Lucas is a bad director, then I would strongly reconsider my intelligence if I were you.
Calm down there bud, in this situation Lucas was the problem. The dude was a visionary but he also made a lot of bad decisions.
I hate the OT special editions but PT SE would be interesting tbh with added deleted scenes and linger cuts perhaps. What I hope I could see before I die is that long mentioned 4 hour cut of ROTS which was supposedly amazing but way too long.
@@BarberJ95 And how long is the beloved Snyder cut of the Justice League? I 😉
Nick Gillard just said on recording that you are the reason he won’t post more behind the scenes content. Thanks for ruining it for the rest of us kid.
He is actually lying about quite a bit. Please read our actual exchange:
ruclips.net/user/shorts2oOsLUwO0Hw?feature=share
Then he didn’t respond and months later I received 6 copyright strikes. That’s when I lashed out at him because I had specifically told him that if he had any issue with my videos I would remove them. Instead he ignored me and filed copyright strikes months later
@@StarWarsAnalyst looks like you fumbled it and then tried to make up and play fan boy
@@Flippinkickz I couldn't agree more with you.
WTH is George smoking changing his mind last second and making McDermid learn it all in day. 😂
Those sequences were amazing! I can’t believe they cut it out! Smh
yea real lame george at the last minute basically decided to throw out the vast part of his films second most important fight
George: it looks too good, we've already payed for choreography, scratch that and give Ian few hours of prep and lets watch as he'll do it himself.
Wow that's even more disappointing to realize the fight team actually had real choreography prepared, but ...
Oh George
They ended up doing face replacement in that scene anyway.
Fun fact: Ian actually did that spinning move, and we hear his natural force scream voice.
Holy shit that original fight choreography looked like it would have been *LEGENDARY.* It just makes me even more upset that what we ended up getting turned out to be one of the worst scenes ever in the Star Wars movies.
I have to disagree that it’s one of the worst scenes in Star Wars. All of the WORST scenes come from the Sequels in my opinion.
Maybe a bit of an overstatement there, it was still a pretty decent fight, but this does prove it could've been a lot cooler.
@@dreadrath No it wasn't. Agen Kolar and Saesee Tiin literally just stood there and Ian McDiarmid kept making weird faces.
@@joehenry9546 😒
It's still a great scene, it's just slightly less great
George: Hi Ian, change of plans. Im going to need to have you do a flip for us today.
Ian: Excuse me?
I've always admired Kit Fisto him dying was saddening however it's a relief to know that Kit Fisto was capable of surviving the most deadly sith there ever was though not anymore sadly.
Good job.
It's such a shame there is no long director's cut of "Revenge of the Sith".
I know. Especially with most of Padme’s arc on the cutting room floor
As controversial as some moments of the special editions may be, I'd love if we could get special edition versions of the prequels. Fix some cgi, finish editing & add back in some deleted scenes, maybe a few reshoots or re-recorded dialogue here & there while most of the cast is still around... Cut out Jar Jar's poop & fart jokes from Episode 1
@@mh2120 Well actually a special edition kind of does exist for TPM already. Yoda got an update and the podrace was completely re-edited. It arguably was changed the most out of any Star Wars movie
@@officialmonarchmusic Only for the blu ray editions. Not the DVDs, sadly. Some bs.
I would love to see more action from Fisto, it really is a shame how little screen time he got, and how quickly he was struck down. He is one of the best Jedi out there, but the films made it seem like he was nothing. At least he has more screen time and a few episodes mostly to himself in Star Wars The Clone Wars series.
This page steals footage from an actual Lucasfilm employee who currently has lawsuits filed against this “creator”
So, are you done stealing Nick Gillard's videos?
What I said to Nick was absolutely disrespectful, abhorrent, and outright vile. However, it’s important to establish that Nick is leaving out key elements of the story as to why those things were said at all. He’s also adding in some lies (such as that I removed his logo/watermark, which I never did). Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the things that I said to such a hero in the fanbase, but I simply got caught up in my own rage of the moment. Allow me to explain from the very beginning.
My conversation with Nick first began on October 14 when I explained that I like to analyze scenes that were deleted from Star Wars. I asked him if he could share the extended Palpatine vs 4 Jedi footage. I spoke to him with nothing but adoration, praise, and respect.
2 weeks later on November 1st, he shared the very footage that I had asked for, and I sent him another message letting him know how much I appreciated him for doing that. We chatted back and forth a bit, but I didn’t hear back from him again until about a week later.
On November 8th, rather than texting me like usual, he sent me an email cursing at me.
Despite him cursing at me, I was very apologetic, respectful, and even said “If you want me to remove anything or make any changes, please just let me know...”
He didn’t respond to me, so I decided to send him another text message where I told him
“Hopefully you can see man to man, that this was just a misunderstanding. I fully apologize and want you to know that I’m genuinely sorry.
If you’d like me to remove the content, please let me know…”
He NEVER responded to this text message, and I did not hear from him again until 2 months later.
I was more than willing to take down the videos, or make any adjustments, but then in January, I received 6 copyright takedown notifications from Nick. This was when I sent those nasty messages to him.
Was I wrong? Of course I was. There’s no excuse for that amount of disrespect. I was just very upset and overwhelmed about my channel receiving so many copyright strikes when I had specifically told him that I would just remove anything that he wanted me to.
I would like the opportunity to apologize to Nick myself, but naturally, I have since been blocked.
Attached are some text messages and emails that show what really happened from the beginning…👇
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@@StarWarsAnalyst I appreciate the quick reply and getting your side. My post should have been framed nicer as well.
I hope someday we get this whole sequence even if it’s never put back into the movie and it’s just raw footage. The lightsaber skills demonstrated in what you were able to show in this video was superior. 👍🏽👍🏽😎
With the current video editing technology available to tech-savvy fans, a completely "restored" cinematic-quality version of the sequence could be made (and probably *will* be made if the complete raw footage is ever released or leaked)
@@lunarpollen 🤞🏽
While I think an extended fight scene would have been cool, I think the shorter one works better for the story.
It demonstrates how powerful Sidious was (able to take down multiple Jedi Masters quickly) and shows how truly un-prepared the Jedi were; they thought it would be a simple fight, akin to fighting Count Dooku.
calling dooku a simple fight... clearly disney has addled your mind. dooku was the preeminent lightsaber duelist of that era, no one could best him in single combat. he was famed for it while in the order. he was the only living force user of that era to master form 2 a style dedicated to fighting against other lightsaber wielders, making him practically a hard counter to any jedi which is why palpatine grabbed him up as a temporary replacement apprentice for the decade surrounding the clone wars. his mastery of the force was rivaled only by yoda, and his mastery of the lightsaber was rivaled by none.
@@e.corellius4495Yeah, Dooku is clearly right behind Anakin in terms of power at this point. Which means he mopped the floor with all except 3 Jedi.
Let's also remember that Sheev betrayed him at very last moment, 2 hands could have been replaced. But Anakin killing him was never part of the plan, as far as Dooku was concerned.
People seem to forget that he held his own against Yoda, even if he decided to run in the end. For one, he would have stomped Maul, even in his 20s. The dark side made him stronger, according to Yoda. Or at least the general experience since they last saw each other did.
The point is, Dooku was at his peak in his 80s. And he mopped the floor with everyone except his master and 3 Jedi (Yoda, Mace and Anakin). That makes him one of the strongest Force-sensitives in galactic history.
How do you people not understand that Dooku was not the preeminent lightsaber dualist. Mace. Windu. He was the greatest lightsaber dualist. The only user of Vapaad that didn't fall to the Dark Side.
@@jacobwalsh1888 It's not just about lightsabers, bro. Windu was not stronger than Yoda. And since Yoda stalemated Sheev, it's even possible that Sheev's loss against Mace was a ploy because he sensed Anakin arriving.
Mace was never the top dog, George Lucas even confirmed this himself. He actually lost to Dooku in a sparring contest, before he turned to the dark side. Now, that doesn't say much since both of them got stronger later on. But Dooku was no joke.
Goddamn my hart sunk after seeing that test footage, oh what we could have had
So cool that you'r in contact with Nick about this and able to retrieve these nuggets!
You can't change Ian, you gotta change the fight... i can't argue with that logic xd
They could’ve just did a digital face on the stunt double. That’s what they did for parts of Dooku’s fight too.
@@StarWarsAnalyst Maybe this was Lucas descent into the endless changes madness that he kept making to to the movies. Seems so weird to organize a stunt double and then on the day of filming change his mind.
@@StarWarsAnalyst Just cover him up in force mist or keep him in a hood... Surely it's not that complicated. Lucas' mind works in mysterious ways.
@@StarWarsAnalyst Just cover him up in force mist or keep him in a hood... Surely it's not that complicated. Lucas' mind works in mysterious ways.
I read the ROTS Novelization & it was awesome what happened in that book compared to the movie.
Palpatine's force pulls his lightsaber which cuts the Jedi in half & then he also has an audio tape of him faking to beg for help.
I know right ? Doesn't it make sense to go with the novelisation ? Out of the 3 options (novel, director's cut, final cut) we get the worst one of all where 2 Jedi Master simply get stabbed
@@ronki23
Yeah it's lame & yes you're absolutely right. I love ROTS so much but that would have improved the movie so it's not perfect but it's still awesome.
The more I learn about the Star Wars franchise, the more I see that it is succeeded despite George Lucas, not because of it.
I do agree that they should have kept the original plan but I think that the version in the movie really shows how powerful yoda and sidious really are
That scene always disappointed me. 4 of the most experienced and powerful Jedi on our way to capture a Sith Lord so powerful he's hidden under our noses for over a decade, and we'll just stand there and get stabbed.
It KILLS me that we didn’t get to see this bad ass fight.
Damn that fight looked good
In another universe, people got to experience this fight scene.
In defense of Ian, classically trained Shakespearean actors are trained in sword fighting. It's part of the genre; Hamlet, Henry V, etc...
It's very rare that I find new footage or photos and yet here you are! Keep up the great work!
Due to this, the first time we actually got to see Darth Sidiuos in all of his coolness was in The Clone Wars
We the fans deserve a full, extended version of the fight. Either as a part of the special features, or the entire scene replaced with the full fight. Oh well 🤷🏻♂️
"You can't replace Ian, you have to replace the fight" - ah yes, the genius mind of George Lukas
Thank-you. I remember watching the Lucas ‘changing it to McDiarmed fighting’ on the special features and could see he was being an unreasonable ****! They did only need him for the close ups!
I really like the idea of showing more corruption and malice on the part of the Jedi, it makes Anakin's confusion more believable
That's awesome Nick gives you information and content to share. It's hard to imagine how Lucas could have gotten this pivotal moment so wrong. Changing the fight and forcing Ian to do it not only made the fight pathetic, but also made the Jedi who went with Windu look beyond inept. I would love to have seen the duel we are getting glimpses of here.
60 year old with no experience who has to learn the fight in 15 minutes? or a professionally trained stunt double who spent the last 3 weeks practicing this exact choreography? I mean let’s cut George some slack it was a tough decision… NOT!
Its hard to imagine Lucas getting this wrong? Have you seen the rest of the prequels?
He doesn’t lol, Nick confirmed he’s been stealing his cut footage from his channel. And then Star wars analyst sent him abusive messages to Nick
@@jedayesingh2842 This is the first I am hearing about any of this. Where did you hear that?
@@essbe7158 The interview where Nick tells what is happening here is on Star Wars Theory "Nick Gillard BREAKS The Internet STAR WARS Prequels MASSIVE Interview" at ruclips.net/video/wtTjZtqvkic/видео.html . I wonder if this post will be deleted? A man with nothing to hide, hides nothing.
This explain a lot. The fight between Dooku and Kenobi/Anakin at the end of AotC was clearly cut short to make space for a duel against Yoda, a late addition to the script.
In the BTS the stunt coordinator tells he created a choreography that would have intensify with time, each next move nearly a checkmate. Instead, we got a shorter version that ends with Kenobi knocked down and an abrupt cut to Anakin with his arm wide open for no reason only to be cut by a light saber.
The part about him being a Shakespearean actor makes me imagine a slightly altered classic line.. “whether tis nobler to suffer the sabers and blasters of outrageous fortune, or take arms against a sea of Jedi…” then Anakin runs in, “Oooo, did somebody say something about taking arms? Or maybe.. haaands? 😏”
This would’ve definitely been way better but we can give Lucas a pass. Also would’ve been so sick to see the royal guards fight… we never got to see them fight one single time in all of Star Wars yet everytime I saw them even as a kid I was always intrigued by them. Thought they looked so rad.
they fight in TLJ
I don't give him a pass for this. He ruined a potentially cool fight with a baffling stupid decision that he made at the very last minute.
I personally like the film version. It shows the skill and power gap between the others compared to mace and palpatine. Mace and palpatine were just too powerful for the others to keep up.
I'm not too upset about three jedi masters getting killed within minutes of igniting their lightsabers, but I think it works out with the whole theme of the prequels:
The jedi order had grown arrogant and stagnant in their position of power. It makes sense that as soon as the secret sith lord was discovered, they'd walk in there and assume everything would go exactly like it did a thousand years ago when the sith order was (supposedly) wiped out.
In their arrogance, they had no reason to assume Palpatine would be a threat, especially not against four jedi masters.
They were mistaken.
Jesus that stunt double would have really shown how powerful Palpatine is. That is some of the best dueling I’ve seen in Star Wars. Maybe one day they’ll go back and add/fix it like they did some scenes in the original trilogy.
Ain't that some shit!
I think the version we got portrayed just how powerful Palpatine was. The opening Sith Scream took three Jedi masters by surprise and gave the opportunity for Palpatine to cut two down instantly and easily take out a third with barely a fight.
People are talking about how the fans were robbed. What about McDiarmid? If I were a professional actor, I'd be pissed to be made to look like a complete twat because I wasn't properly trained for a scene. Oh you don't know how to use a sabre because we haven't trained you at all this year? No problem, twirl it around a bit, we'll have the other grandmasters trip into your pointy end, and bam, end scene. Here, practice waving it around for 10 minutes...and roll!
I do agree that the fight scene would've been awesome to see, but the three members of the Jedi Counsel being killed before they can get a few swings in just makes Palpatine seem more powerful and menacing.
I mean to be fair, only Kit and Mace did anything in the original fight anyway. The other two (Tin and Kolar) get bodied just as fast as the movie. Kit actually backs up Mace originally and even holds his own for a good chunk of the overall fight. He only ends up dying because Palpatine specifically fought with only one blade and used the most aggressive form to ramp up his speed and give Kit less room to swing. Kit's form works best against multiple opponents or multiple swords, and he was THE BEST up to this point in history at it. I've seen legitimate arguments that Kit was better at swordsmanship than Anakin and Obi-wan, and the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" of the forms is why he wasnt the best duelest period.
Usually most of the Star Wars video (and about everything else) are low quality and the authors ask to subscribe only to gain rank in youtube. I never subscribe to those who ask.
You're one of the few worthy exceptions. Now this video is really really a quality one, and you deserve to be one of the few channels I subscribe to. Keep it up!
This scene like "It's over Anakin I have the high ground" is a perfect microcosm of the dismal failure that was the PT !
Often a lot of the time we're WOWED by new footage is because we've seen the original so many times that we cant not center on and become fixated by the mistakes or how we think the fights could have gone better. Personally I like the idea that Palpatine goes off and cuts through 3 of the Jedi like they were nothing before going toe to toe with Mace. But I also feel that Palpatine was stalling for time before Anakin arrived so he Palpatine could put himself in a vulnerable position and allow Anakin to make a decision, I don't think for a moment that Palpatine was ever in danger or ever out of control. He's like Hannibal Lecter with a lightsaber. And the fact he just goes through 3 Jedi like they were nothing helps back up just how powerful Palpatine was. Still, I would have enjoyed watching a fight where he did a bunch of ninja moves with 4 Jedi masters. But that's after the fact, at the cinema back in 2005 I was like 'WOW!!! Damn look at that'. I was 17 and WOWZERS!!! One minute he's this calm, aging politician and the next he's zipping around in the air and giving Mace a run for his money, which I enjoyed because I always thought Mace was a smug git. But then after multiple, multiple and multiple re watches I was like hang on a minute!!! Why is he carrying Anakin's lightsaber, why are there all these strange closeups of Ian pulling funny faces and wielding a lightsaber like he's a stiff old man, as opposed to a powerful Sith lord.
It would be great to have that original scene, with stunt double fighting, but with Anakin coming in instead of having been there. The best of both worlds
In a way it shows how bad ass palpatine is that he cuts through Jedi like cake . But yes that deleted scene looks like it woulda been better
Man they really did Kit Fisto dirty in that fight, not to mention robbing the fans of a much more epic battle.
Honestly, if they HAD a little more budget or used that budget to THIS fight then it would've been probably one of the most talked about movie moments of the 2000's.
Damn. I had no idea about this at all. This could have been amazing! Anakin coming in at the end makes sense but him witnessing the entire duel could have worked too. He's witnessing someone who is more powerful than the Jedi. That would also convince him that Palpatine DOES have the power.
What I love about high level lightsaber combat is it's basically a 3 dimensional chess game being played by prescient beings, an intensely sophisticated dance of moves and counter-moves, where any mistake could spell instant death or lifelong disfigurement. The only way to avoid that fate is to drill yourself to be the peak of martial arts. Beyond that, it comes down to your ability in the Force and your own resourcefulness. In Palpatine's case, he and the Sith loathed the Jedi so much that he forced himself to master all forms of it to humiliate them.
Bro learnt all he needed to do in 15 mins crazy
Palpatine having a lightsaber in his sleeve I think is perfect.
He plans for everything.
Maybe Lucas forgot he wasn't talking about Christopher Lee, who had been a fencer longer than most of us watching have been alive. He was such a cool dude. RIP hero.
In the videogame, there's a whole long boss fight between Anakin and Mace which is fantastic.
The original stunt footage looks more like how I imagined the fight scenes in the Plagueis book to be.
Man George does know how to F up what should have been one of the best light sabre duals of all time.
what we really need is an animated remake of ROTS in the clone wars animation style, which includes this version of the fight and the other stuff we never got to see.
George definitely dropped the ball on that sequence. I remember seeing it in the theater and was thinking to myself "what the h-e-double hockey sticks is this?" It was oozing with CGI and terrible choreography. That sequence deserved so much more than the final cut presented.
Interesting to learn, thanks. Not sure if it really would've been "the best", but I'm a little lukewarm on the flashy jedi fights in general. They're not bad, they just consistently always feel a bit fake since there's a lot of "flashy for flashy's sake" moves that get used.
Honestly Andor is quickly becoming my favorite Star Wars content because it's so grounded and realistic. When someone pulls a blaster, it's a real threat instead of a joke.
That's what I'd love to see from Star Wars: the version where force users are grounded. Where you _can_ block blaster shots, but it requires concentration, and if the enemy distracts or overwhelms you, you get hit and die. Where non-force-users approach combat smarter, probably using their ranged advantage or traps in order to deal with the jedi threat. It'd be fine if 'anti-Jedi tactics' aren't well-known because this hypothetical series takes place in a time when they're rare, but that still won't mean that a guy with a blaster is going to slowly walk forward firing it -- he's going to take cover and shoot smart.
And then when you do get to the actual saber vs. saber duels, have them really feel like serious sword fights where death is on the line. Fewer flashy moves. Probably don't _entirely_ eliminate flashiness: I'm not recommending The Duelists-style fights where much of the duel is spent waiting and looking for minute openings before striking (extremely realistic, but also quite boring). I'm just hoping for a middle ground where the swords feel more real and lethal and the participants really feel like they're fighting a life-or-death struggle.
Basically it's a bit like wanting 'Andor with Jedi' (but I also still want Andor; it's amazing).
Good Old George. Fixing what ain't broke once again.
I really liked the choreography in the movie. Made Palps look really dangerous and deadly.
He looked like an old man who'd never held a lightsabre before and the jedi looked like blind drunk vagrants who were paid to let themselves be killed.
@@matthewsands3591 Hey, he is no count Dooku to look for style points. He simply gets the job done. You do not need fencing if you are too quick for your enemies to defend against. You simply insert your blade in their vital parts and then you move on and they pass on.
@@u.v.s.5583 except what we saw was slow and looked like an arthritic cripple could do better.
These are supposed to be jedi masters with lightening reflexes and skill. They looked like drunk vagrants who intentionally let themselves be killed.
There's no two ways about it. That scene was pathetically bad.
@@matthewsands3591 A normal sith lord is much stronger than a normal Jedi knight. Palps is one of the strongest ever. Of course lazy ass jedi masters will fall like grass in front of him.
@@u.v.s.5583 I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.
I don't have a problem with Sidious being stronger and killing them all. My problem is how badly it was depicted.
It didn't look like we were watching a powerful Sith Lord killing jedi masters with superior speed and skill. It looked like a slow, arthritic, old man who'd never held a lightsabre before easily stabbing 3 blind drunk vagrants who'd been paid to let themselves be killed.
The originally prepared scene had the same outcome but more effort was made to make it look like the jedi were trying to fight, with stunt doubles doing most if the fight with complex choreography that they'd practiced and prepared for months afterwards, but Lucas changed it last minute because he wanted the real actor to do most of it, giving the actor 10 minutes to prepare. Which is why it looked so pathetic awful.
The day they reveal they will use all the footage and great visuel effect to make the Revanche of the Sith Prenium Edition, I will invest on it.
But seriously, don't take all the shoot. Some simply don't make sens. And don't forget, if you killed Shaak Ti, you strike Starkiller
Georges is so chaotic. Changing his mind all the time long before it's to late to make change. Did people realise let him working alone without restriction broke the second trilogy ?
He said he made the first one so he is capable of great thing? Don't listen to him, this Guy always have take all credits. Truly regrettable
Mace: What's that move called??
Palpatine: *Slow Poke*
Ooooh... I always wondered why Ian mcdermid was using one of Anakins stunt sabers in that duel switching back and forth to his, now it makes sense 20 years later!
George has an interesting sense of what's necessary and proper.
i appreciate that he wanted to be able to say ''that WAS Ian. we didn't cut corners, we did it the hard way, i think what we gave up for that WAS worth it.'' i think that when we see more and more CGI and AI replace the actors with digital models, way beyond Andy Serkis Mo-Cap, George will be vindicated for this decision, for this fight, but at the same there's no denying that A LOT was sacrificed and this decision was not cheap. i like the zoom in shots on faces, i like imagining what's going through the minds of the characters as much as l like seeing the combat moves. George has in mind what his ideal audience is, and i know he wants to tell his story to people who can fill in some of the missing parts with their imagination. obviously A New Hope was not as action packed a saber fight as it could have been, but George figured that the emotions of the Death Star duel was more important that the physical fight moves, and he was definitely right about that one. maybe there is no perfect way to do Emperor Palpatine dueling because no actor that could play a good Palpatine in a remake is likely to be able to physically do the fight scene without going to more CGI. there's always going to the question of the trade-off, when is CGI good to add and when is it bad. George's decisions on the subject are controversial, but very thought-provoking, and i like how deliberate he is. he has a reason every time, even when people don't agree with him. i like trying to understand his vision the way he wanted it made.
The very definition of "Mistakes were made"
Seeing the royal guards in action would have been AWESOME!
George: So you're a Shakesperean actor?
Ian: Indeed, I am.
George: Alright...think of it as Mercutio with a shiny laser sward