The cuts that annoy me most are the Luke/Biggs scene on Tatooine which would have better established both characters and made Biggs' reunion/death more impactful, and the scene where the Rebel Alliance is founded by Padme, Organa, and Mothma since it's a pretty frickin' major event that leads directly into the main trilogy.
The first would also shut down the idiots who are constantly claiming that Luke was planning to join the Empire at one point since he wanted to go to "the academy", despite clearly saying that he hates it, even in the theatrical release.
It's a great scene, but there's just no place for it to fit comfortably in the first act without slowing the movie down or maintaining continuity (since it's set before the Jawas come to the Lars homestead).
@@3Rings4ElvenKings I believe that was Camie, who would have been played by Koo Stark. Both Camie and her boyfriend Fixer appeared in an episode of The Book of Boba Fett.
I wish you had addressed the “I’m not blind, Padme” scene in Revenge of the Sith where Obi Wan basically tells Padme he knew about their marriage for years and that he pretended he didn’t know because he just loves them both too much. I know it’s an unconfirmed scene, but it would have changed the tone of the film so much.
Yes…and no. I think where Revenge of the Sith shines is in its operatic storytelling, the inevitable clash of brother against brother when the Chosen One falls from grace and his only family has to put him down. When I was younger, I used to feel like Obi Wan was a bit too much of a yes-man to the Jedi council, too harsh with Anakin and even a bit sanctimonious. The addition of this scene would have given us a moment to realize that, as it turns out, Obi Wan not only loves Anakin but has been silently keeping his carefully guarded secret because he’s on his side to the bitter end. It would have made it that much more devastating when fate chose Obi Wan to put down Anakin.
@@mrdorsch7395 If I'm not mistaken, they hinted at that idea in season 7 of the Clone Wars. I think the idea that obi wan knew (or suspected) their marriage for a long time, which makes a lot more sense regarding the final scene in ROTS.
The Luke & Biggs scene was included (and expanded) in the radio play. Granted, that's a medium more suited for two guys talking for several minutes but it really added a lot to the story IMO.
Remember, they also cut 30 minutes from new hope, 48 minutes from empire strikes back, return of jedi was rewritten from middle to end of movie and shortened by 2 1/2 hours
How would that pilot telling Luke he knew his father affect the twist in anyway? Obi Wan told Luke his father was one of the best pilots in the galaxy so it would stand to reason other fighter pilots knew him, it's not like he said " I knew your father before he became Vader "
It wasn't wide spread knowledge that aniken and padame had kids. They even went as far to show padame still pregnant in her public funeral so people would assume the babies died with her.
@@andressarmiento9676 in the long run though I'm glad it didn't make it past the chopping room so it didn't create another minor plot hole between the two trilogies
I don't see where it would've hurt anything either. After all Anakin was a renowed hero of the war so there are bound to be some gray beards around that fought beside him. Also Skywalker can't be that common of a surname. When you stop and think all the twist did was make Anakin the main character of story over Luke.
@@andressarmiento9676 Yes, that does seem hard to explain. Also, we know now that Anakin and the other Jedi generally fought alongside clones, which that person is not. Maybe he was on a planet where Anakin had one of his special missions? And I don’t know, maybe Biggs put two and two together and figured out the connection through speculation? Luke may have repeated things Ben told him about his father being a great pilot during the clone wars. And Biggs may have heard stories about the clone wars about “Anakin Skywalker”. And he may have just assumed because of the last name that he had figured out who Luke’s father was. (And it wouldn’t be too surprising if he was totally ignorant about Padme and the circumstances of her death). Biggs may have had to do some convincing for Luke (an unknown person to the rebellion) to jump right into piloting a crucial mission. He may have been bragging about Luke’s flying skills. And embellished that story by saying that his father was the famous Anakin Skywalker, renowned for his piloting skills. I suppose this kind of speculation and embellishment connecting someone to a famous person with the same last name is not that unusual for humans to do, even in the absence of the facts to back it up. I don’t know, that’s the best I can come up with. But that doesn’t mean that either of them knew that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were one and the same.
One thing to add about scene number 5 at 5:13 "Tosche Station". We get to see this location in The Book of Boba Fett when Fett takes out the Nikto gang. We even see that Luke's other friends who also appeared in this deleted scene apparently never left.
The whole scene was also in the oversize comic released at the time of the movie. It also had the later added Jabba/Han scene with fett, but Jaba was drawn as a humanoid looking more like an older walrus-man
I don't know if it would have changed anything, but the scene from Phantom Menace where Anikan beats up Greedo should have been left in. It shows Anikan's short temper and how he can lose control, as well as gave Qui Gon some good lines making it a teachable moment. Anikan was a good kid in TPM with very little issues, then AOTC made him look more like a whiney bitxh without any real story leading up to who he is.
Yes good one. A bit more subtle child agro from young Anakin might have sewn into his back story. As it is the poor actor who played him has a world now best left to his own privacy rather than exposing here
That reunion scene between Luke and Biggs could've still been left in without the extra comment at the end about Luke's father, and cutting out the "birth of the Rebellion" scene heavily diminished the chance for Padme to stretch in that movie, beyond her relationship with Anakin. Also, side-note about Grand Moff Jerjerrod. A future acting legend originally auditioned for the part: Alan Rickman. Though he was woven into an equally-huge franchise eighteen years later, it's still fun to imagine his now-iconic voice, briefly going up against that of James Earl Jones. (3/9/2023)
The scene is in Special Editions, minus pilot talking about fighting alongside Luke Father. Lucas obviously cut it out for obvious reasons. However, Lucas original pitch was a big epic story that spanned generations. Unfortunately it would have been too long to film. So he took all the good stuff and made one movie, the unused material became backstory hints. But Luke and Vader certainly weren’t related at the time. George didn’t know if he would even get to do a sequel. The original text crawl didn’t even have an episode V: A New Hope. Once Lucas realized Star Wars was a hit, it was then he began solidifying his back story and future of the series.
The pilot could've easily fought with Anakin before Attack of the Clones. Even as far back as Phantom Menace. He could've been one of the Naboo pilots which works for the timeline, putting him in his late teens or early 20s and in his 50s in a new hope, and even makes logical sense since Padme was from Naboo and would've had followers from there that opposed the Empire.
All Red Leader (Garven Dreis) says is "I met your father once when I was just a boy. He was a great pilot, if you've got half the skill he had you'll do alright". This fits fine with what Obi-Wan says early in the movie and the actor (Drew Henley) was 37 at the time so could easily have met Anakin during the prequel era.
I suppose it’s because only obi wan and bail organa would have known that Luke and leia were definitely Annakin’s children, and only a few people knew that darth Vader was annakin. If both of those things were common knowledge, the twist wouldn’t have worked.
The "I fought with your father, he was a good man" line could have been left in. Obi-wan already confirmed that Anakin fought in the Clone Wars earlier in the movie. At that time, everyone thought he was a good man. Since most people don't know that Darth Vader is Anakin, nobody would have changed their opinions about him. (Further, I could have sworn the reunion scene was reintroduced to the movie for the special editions.)
@@peterriverajr6899 Maybe he was a clone, maybe he was a starship officer... maybe he was a jedi that quit :D but the Old Republic Destroyers and Acclamaters did have bridge crews and officer crews that werent all clones I believe.
No it could not have been. How would that guy know who Luke is? Who let him in on the secrete that Padme was pregnant by Anikan, or in on the secrete that Obi Wan had hid Anikan's kid on Tatooine? It was only there because Lucas didn't even know that Anikan and Darth Vader were the same person until after this movie. They (he and collaborators) made it up when writing Empire Strikes Back, then retroconned the back story.
Fun Fact: Genevieve O'Reilly, Mon Mothma's actress in the deleted scene for Revenge Of The Sith, reprised the role in Rogue One and has held onto the role for every appearance since of Mon Mothma.
I don't think there was too much "political nonsense" in the prequels. It was world building. It was expanding the galaxy incorporating other systems, other opinions. Although I love the OT, it was a simple story of good versus evil. The prequels gave more layers, and explained the whys and wherefores of how the galaxy came to be as it was in the OT.
I don't know how but, the cut of Revenge of the Sith I saw included Anakin and Obi Wan jumping into the fuel tank. It was silly and I can see why it was eventually cut. The ROTJ scene with Luke constructing a new light saber should have definitely been left in.
They could also have filmed him back in Obi-Wan's hut, finding the tools and components he needed, prior to embarking on the mission to save Han. Him not responding to Vader's "force call" could've resulted in a parody scene in which Vader gets an outgoing message like, "Hey, this is Luke. Leave a message. *beeeep*" Or, "The Jedi you are trying to contact is disconnected or no longer in service...." lol
I would honestly love to see extended versions of the original trilogy! The fact that deleted scenes still exist from such old movies is incredible because unused film was often just destroyed back then. I doubt we'll get them anytime soon at the rate Disney's been going, but it would be fun to see what could have been!
The NPR radio versions of the original trilogy include the scenes of Luke with his friends on Tatooine at the start of A new hope. It's all a bit 'rebel without a cause' though.
I saw a fan edit years back with the scene of Anakin meeting Padme's family reintroduced while removing some of their more awkward moments together-- far superior to what we got with only a little difference.
That's the beauty of the Prequels. They're not great, but with some editing to remove some bloat and replace it with material shouldn't have been cut they can be better movies.
I wish you guys that made lists like these would concentrate more on just telling us about the lists rather than offering us sarcastic opinions on elements of the franchise that we might actually like.
Part of Lucas' deal in selling to Disney was that those films could not be altered further. Personally I wish all the birth of the rebellion scenes could be put back in.
Are you kidding? The wompas look amazing and strike fear into every kid’s heart. I would say they are more realistic looking than yoda. They look and play amazing on screen. 10/10 for the wompa creature costumes.
I always wonder why everyone seems so pissed of with all the political intrigue in the Precuels, for me it's one of the best parts because it makes sense in that period of war.
Because it wasnt done well and it just makes the entire prequel series an incoherent mess, I havent bothered watching any of them since they were first released for this reason and the god awful boring dialogue
I don't get why that pilot couldn't have known Anakin. I guess people weren't supposed to be aware Luke was his son? They have the same last name. Anybody who knew Anakin, and then heard about the feats of a Luke Skywalker would obviously make that connection.
Exactly. Everyone knew his father was Anakin. The part people didn't know is that Anakin had become Vader. That information was only known by a handful of people, all of which were sworn to secrecy.
In the original draft for Star Wars, Anakin Skywalker and a few surviving Jedi founded the Rebel Alliance and he continued to lead it until he was killed by the traitorous Jedi Darth Vader. The Rebel pilot's monologue apparently hinted at this situation, not the Clone Wars. In the current canon, all of the non-Jedi pilots who could have fought beside Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars would have been CLONES, so the scene is even more problematic now.
@@andrewsuryali8540 he flew with the pilots from Naboo in TPM. Hes what, 19 when the clone wars start. You'd be safe in assuming he flew a mission or two in that time between TPM and AotC.
The R2D2 Beeping sounds that Anikin made in the deleted scenes is actually a force ability. We first saw it in A New Hope when Obi Wan scared away the Sandpeople who had attacked Luke.
The Sandpeople had yet to discover Iphones. They had no idea how to answer something they didn't own, so they panicked when they heard that ringtone howl.
I saw A New Hope opening night in Louisville Ky. In 1977, the scenes with Luke looking up with binoculars and later in town with Biggs were included in that particular print, and were still there over the run of that print. I understand that it was also at about 9 other theaters across the country. A year or so later when the film returned for a second run, they had been removed.
There is an original deleted scene in which Luke is tending a vaporator and sees flashes in the atmosphere, whips out his macrobinoculars, and gets a better, but not perfectly clear view of the action taking place just above Tattooiine, the Tantive IV being taken by the Star Destroyer. In the Star Wars Storybook, this description is limned. Including the still image of Luke next to a vaporator with his binocs to his eyes, pointed upward. This only leads him to wonder what took place, as he wouldn't know, his binocs were not that powerful. There is a supposed deleted scene when we first meet Han Solo, there is a girl on his lap (portrayed by little-known at the time, and alleged softcore porn star Koo Stark) and he dismisses her quickly before Chewbacca approaches with Ben and Luke. I don't know exactly if this would have affected overall plot, but it might have established Han as a bit more of a scoundrel than just a smuggler and 'pirate'. We all believe him ruthless enough to have shot first at Greedo, despite the Special Edition and the MacKlunkey edition.
It would have been odd to have Koo Stark playing two roles in the movie. (She also played Camie Loneozner at Tosche Station, in a scene which was filmed but cut from the final print.) Unless for some reason it was supposed to be Camie who had headed off to Mos Eisley to hang out with Solo and co.
7:59 The alliance forming meeting would been awesome. There have been several books that mentioned Mon Mothma as being the founder of the rebellion. We sadly have not seen much of her on film. ☹️
8:53 - Would be cool if Disney/Lucasfilm could go back and digitally tweak/rework and insert this original opening to Return of the Jedi, but have the scene take place in Ben Kenobi's old hut on Tatooine instead of just some random cave. As the droids wait outside, show Luke walking around inside the now empty and ransacked structure using the Force through his organic hand to search for something unknown. Have a few of Kenobi's key quotes from A New Hope play in an eerie echoing voice-over on the soundtrack as Luke searches. He then detects something below the floor. Further using the Force to crack open the stone floor and remove the debris and broken pieces, he pulls out a container from underneath the floor. Inside the container he finds the kyber crystal from Qui-Gon Jinn's old lightsaber. Kenobi had saved it all these years after he had "inherited" the weapon. Luke takes the crystal and uses it to complete the construction of HIS new saber. This would explain the green blade and further connect the two trilogies.
Even though the Biggs scene was cut the explanation of Luke's piloting skills is still supported in two other scenes. The first one just after he's met Obi-Wan. In Obi's hut he says to Luke he's heard he's become a good pilot himself. The second of course on Yavin 4 in the briefing room before the battle. And there's even a third reinstated scene right after that as they're about to board their fighters and Biggs tells the squadron leader Luke is one of the best bush pilots in the outer rim territories. So there!
When I first saw Stars Wars in the theater a way back when...I was always confused by how Luke already knew all the other pilots in final Death Star battle. The cut Biggs footage totally explains that. Too bad they couldn't have included even a pared down version of the scene. Or at least the pre-battle sequence with Biggs. I can't help but feel sorry for the actor who played Biggs and all the actors who appeared in bit parts that were ultimately cut from Star Wars. Oh well...
Kind of a shame that they cut out the scene with the rebel pilot saying he fought with Luke's father. You just know that would have inspired an entire episode of The Clone Wars.
There’s a scene in Return of the Jedi that shows Luke jumping and grabbing hold of the grates above the Rancor pit. The scene must have been filmed as in the Return of the Jedi “Storybook based on the film” there is a photo of Luke hanging from the grate.
I remember that photo. The Storybook versions of all three movies have photos that are puzzling, as they don't appear in the films. I did a comment based on one of those, the scene of Luke noticing something outside Tattooiine's atmosphere.
If anyone has ever tried to read the original 1976 publication of George Lucas's book Star Wars then you'll know just how much more there was to this saga. The amount of scenes that didn't make it in is astonishing and I imagine the films would be even better with them.
The Tosche Station scene was in fact included in the NPR Star Wars Episode IV audio drama produced in 1981, in which Mark Hamill also played Luke. Buy the set and take a look! It's fun and fleshes out a lot of the movie more.
..."How a teenaged farmboy became a fighter pilot with apparently zero training." -_- Luke told Han "I'm not such a bad pilot myself". He had a T-16 he flew around blasting womprats not much bigger than 2 meters. There was some time before the Death Star battle for him to train in an X Wing. He almost got himself killed several times during the Death Star battle due to his inexperience in a X Wing and fighter battle. Vader mentioned "The Force is strong with this one". Ben helped him too. Luke let go and used the force to destroy the Death Star. Luke learned fast in the heat of the battle. So your comment about him having no training is nothing but hot air.
I'm pretty sure Gold leader or was that Red Leader not sure. Would have been a young pilot during the Clone Wars and Anakin was known as a war hero. There is a chance he flew along with Clones and Anakin on a mission or two.
Part of the Luke & Biggs reunion was included in the ANH SE version, but without the references to his father by the commander. Still, just like the Jabba scene, it served no objective purpose and was only re-inserted to add context that Lucas "perceived" was missing.
The whole Tosche Station segment should have been included as it incorporates the Luke/Biggs conversation which adds an extra layer to the characters. Plus it would have been good to see Luke in a "Reni Hat". I am surprised that this whole sequence was not included when they released the special editions in the 90's. As for the scene where the Rebel Alliance is founded, it is interesting that this was left out and it was, until recently, only addressed in the Force Unleashed game...
On the last scene, you missed the implication of the flashing light on his saber. It flashes green, he broods and adjusts, it flashes RED, he broods some more and adjusts again, it flashes green, he ignites it green... he was choosing between the light and the dark, and made his saber able to have either a red or green beam. He ultimatly settled on green, but the idea of the darkside was there. It ruins the surprise of him having a saber on the skif scene, and Vader's 'LUUUKKKEEE' cry was a bit much, so cut. Of course, since then lore was added to sabers that make the scene impossible, but still was way cooler.
3:15 Vader stops choking Jerjerrod after he says the Emperor had ordered for no one to enter the throne room. In other words: Don’t choke the messenger.
George Lucas grew up post-world war 2 and saw the effects of fascism. Societies do not collapse from the outside, they crumble from within. The Republic was lifted straight from history. Hell, even noble Tyrian purple colors were used to identify the ruling class. The corrupt senators and their arena was at the top of Coruscant, bluntly showing people that they are above the people they are supposed to serve. Palpatine was an amalgamation of historical peoples’ such as the Roman Augusti and 20th century dictators such as Mussolini, Franco, and Hitler. All of these leaders had power given to them out of times of crisis. Lucas was telling the backstory of the transition of the Republic to the Empire, just like the Roman Republic, turned Empire. An Empire isn’t just formed overnight. The politics involved are necessary to explain Palpatine’s seizure of power. He created a crisis, split the Republic into a Civil War, much like America’s, had power given to him by the senate to “protect and preserve” the Republic. He creates another crisis, executes Order 66, brands the Jedi as Heretics, much like the persecution of the Knights Templar, subsequently, never returns his power in the name of security. I other words, I agree with you guys. The politics were absolutely necessary.
All of those "boring" scenes that were cut from the prequels made their way into the fan edits, which ended up being far more enjoyable than the theatrical releases so I guess interest is in the eye of the beholder.
At 06:28 I think that would have added to the "you killed my father" hatred of Vader and made the reveal all the more shocking. At least it would not have been as awkward as the Lannister-like smooching that Leia and Luke seem to be getting up to, before she reveals to Han that they are really siblings.
Leia kisses Luke once, mostly to annoy Han, at a time when no one (including Lucas) knew they would turn out to be related. People make way too big of a deal out of it.
To me, the scenes with Biggs, the lightsaber scene in 6, and the rebellion origin scene are the three most important scenes that should have stayed in the movies.
The Star Wars Storybook included some of what had been cut in ANH, the Biggs scene in particular. This scene added a whole new dynamic to the story, explaining much.
The cut-out "birth of the rebel alliance" scenes from ep.3 were unfortunate cuts... they set up, as you say, to show how the rebels came to be rebels and actually give Padme something to do other than simp around saying things like "Ani you're breaking my heart" and then dying from... ahem... a broken heart. Lucas had no idea what to do with her character other than to make sure she had Luke & Leia.
_"the __-sequel-__ prequel trilogy needs to be forgotten, period."_ There, I fixed your erroneous comment for you. Thank goodness for Disney, who revived Star Wars after George Lucas drove it into a ditch and left it there to die. I feel sorry for you non-fans of Star Wars, who don't understand it...
No mention of Obiwan giving Luke to his own brother Owen? (It's in the novel; don't know if the script was changed before filming.) That would have resulted in a change in the prequels. And he would have had to explain why Obiwan was Kenobi and Owen was Lars. I guess he still would have gone the half-brother route. Why didn't Owen and Beru raise Luke thinking he was their son? Still not sure how Leia could remember anything of Padme. Unless the Organa's had pictures with her that Leia saw.
I remember hearing, or reading, somewhere that Leah remembered Padme by using her latent use of the force. It was a clunky explanation, but it was the explanation I heard.
Number 9 explains why there were random rooms in the Hoth rebel base level of the N64 game "Shadows of the Empire" with wampas in them. I never understood it. It felt like a lazy excuse to put wampas in the game for the player to fight.
Imagine shooting a whole scene in one of the greatest movies ever, a new hope, as an and being completely cut out of it. Happens all the time but that would really sting
@@pugpug4430 The medical frigate "scene" at the end of ESB shows 2-1B finishing off Luke's cyborg hand and testing its artificial nerves. The cut "scene" in ROTJ shows Luke completing his new "laser sword".
The Jeejerod scene where he sats "Emperor's orders, Sir" changes nothing. Maybe I just see it this way because I was introduced to the novelizations of the original trilogy first, but it really felt like the officer was already terrified of Vader but fear of the Emperor won out
I do tend to watch Tosche Station between Rogue One and New Hope anyway Attack of the Clones lost many scenes, some between Padmé & Ani, but the romance wouldn't feel so rushed if kept in It would've been cool to have the founding of the Rebellion in Revenge of the Sith, and politics has always been part of Star Wars since Leia mentioned the Imperial Senate That bit with the Commander was cool, now that James Earl Jones is retired from the role it's time to test that technology they've developed to keep Vader around Not sure why that lightsaber scene was cut, James Earl Jones & Antony Daniels even finished their Automated Dialogue Replacement
I saw "Attack of the Clones" on opening day in Atlanta, GA and I could have sworn there was a scene showing the senators (namely Padme and Bail Organa, as well as a couple others) discussing formation of an army that I have never seen since... It wasn't mentioned here, and I've never seen any reference to it anywhere else, but I swear I remember seeing it.
A lot of the Mon Mothma intrigue is revisited in 'Andor'. Looks like nothing is truly discarded from the Star Wars universe, even the outtakes from the prequels.
The pilot knowing Anakin had a son may have been a problem but it would have been accounted for when the prequels were written. However, no one other than a few people knew Anakin became Vader so that wouldn't be an issue and doesn't imply that Lucas had not already decided this to be the case.
One scene that was missed and I think the most important, was the Last Jedi, Rey trying to save a village. It was the corner stone on why Luke let the jedi die.
There was no political nonsense in the prequels. It was world building. It shows how a democracy can become a dictatorship. It showed Palpatine’s rise to power and the downfall of the Republic
Given the Andor series on Disney+ they could conceivably revisit the "birth of the rebellion" scene and work it into a kind of prologue for an episode of season 2... just a thought. Senator Mon Mothma having a flashback?
I think Biggs, light saber, and an edited version of the council talking about forming the rebels should be put in. Extended versuon of films many people dont have a problem with, for a deeper explination of sub plots, and or points that were never completly fleshed out.
7:36 "The duo witness Grievous executing Shaak Ti, a Jedi we've barely seen before and have no reason to care about." This tells us who saw the Clone Wars miniseries that drip-fed on TV, leading up to the release of the film in theaters. Shaak Ti got a decent amount of screen time. Along with being in the battle that first introduced General Grievous to the franchise in the first place, Shaak Ti was with Palpatine when the Battle of Coruscant broke out, and was captured by Grievous while trying to protect him from being abducted. She fought a small company of Magnaguard droids while trying to buy Palpatine time to escape, but ultimately was bested by Grievous, and captured. Her execution in the deleted scene was the grim payoff of nearly 5 episodes of struggle and hardship during the Battle of Coruscant. Her fate fate was supposed to be the story of futility. Every odd was stacked against her in a game that was rigged from the start. She was set up to fail her mission because the one who orchestrated Palpatine's abduction was Palpatine himself. Through sheer tenacity and a desire to protect the man whose safety she was charged with, she raced to his office, held Grievous at bay in a rematch after he'd killed other Jedi before her eyes, survived a plummeting turbolift crash, got through two different battles in the metro, held the line against seemingly impossible numbers of hostile Magnaguards, raced to catch up to Palpatine when she realized he'd been sent into a trap, caught up, fought Grievous for a fourth time, lost, was captured, and in the opening act of the movie- were her death scene left in- executed, all according to Palpatine's plans. When Clone Wars was airing, it was effectively mandatory viewing for all of the context that would be needed for seeing Revenge of the Sith. This animated series was the introduction for both Asajj Ventress and General Grievous, showed Anakin's trials of Knighthood, showed how Anakin got the scar over his eye, gave more context to the CIS and the war itself, and set up all of the pieces to do an otherwise cold open on the Battle of Coruscant as Revenge of the Sith starts. Do not say that Shaak Ti was 'barely seen' and that we have 'no reason to care'. WE were there for all of her episodes. YOU couldn't be asked to watch any of them.
Also it would be so cool if maybe one day either a fan made or future release of these movies could be extended versions that include the deleted scenes! Like lord of the rings!
While that final clip would have been interesting, leaving that info out and keeping the audience guessing "Where is Luke and What is he Up To???" was a truly memorable cinema moment. I still remember that question rising up and becoming stronger during all the going-ons, until Luke make his appearance.
It's interesting that both zones A New Hope and Return of the Jedi were both improved by deleting Luke's first scene. If you look up "How Star Wars was saved in editing" you get a good explanation on that one. And by taking out the scene in Return of the Jedi it made his appearance in Jabba's palace a much more memorable scene. Plus it left the field open for lightsaber construction to be much cooler. Check out "The Gathering" in Clone Wars to see that.
I will never understand the whole "pacing" reasoning for removing scenes. I feel the scenes are short enough that yeah it may feel somewhat out of place, it almost always adds to the story.
The prequels did have too much politics but they tell an important part of the story, after all palpatine couldn't just take over the galaxy overnight.
It annoys me that there was no mention of Starkiller anywhere. Disney instead just wants to spit on his grave by naming a First Order outpost on the planet Ilum after him as a way to make a crappy Star Wars film so they can pretend he never existed in the first place. I hope Disney is reading this: 🖕🖕
Why would there have been? There are literally hundreds of force users from books and video games that will never be mentioned, even if Disney didn't take over.
I don't think that any of these scenes would have changed a whole lot. There were scenes written for The Last Jedi that would have changed that movie from an unwatchable mess to a fairly coherent film. One was a scene with Luke in his little hovel contemplating whether or not to train Rey and a red force ghost appears behind him. Luke glances briefly to the side to acknowledge the figure, sighs, and closes his eyes in meditation while the figure fades away. It would have explained why Luke seemed so haunted because he was LITERALLY being haunted. Another scene would have revealed that there was a spy onboard the resistance cruiser and that is why Admiral Holdo seemed so offputting and dismissive of Poe. It would also have explained how the First Order was actually tracking their ship and that the slow speed chase was an attempt to buy time to allow the resistance to find the spy.
Interestingly enough, the sequence where Anakin and Obi-Wan are traipsing through the underbelly of Grevious's ship is in the Revenge of the Sith PS2 movie tie-in game.
I saw Episode 4 in Seattle's Cinerama Theater before the movie gained much attention. The Tosche-station scene was intact! I recall Luke looking up with his binoculars, gushing about the space-battle (Vader attacking Leia's transport) raging overhead, while his buddies were more interested in their speeders. The pacing was weird and choppy, the Academy dialog felt forced. It's a better movie with the scenes cut. Dozens of tiny edits...establishing shots trimmed by a few seconds, jump-cuts that used to be dissolves or wipes, wipes that were jump-cuts, dialog that feels like something was cut out. The 'standard release' of Episode 4 is a very different movie from the one I saw in that big, dark room.
Cut scenes are in the comic book and novel. To my knowledge none were ever seen in theatres. While the original screenings did have differences to what became the final version before the special editions, the cut scenes were only seen by Lucus's friends.
I saw Episode 4 at the Grand Theater in Grand Island Nebraska soon after the film's release summer 1977. The cut I saw included the Biggs/Luke reunion scene in the hangar. I remember thinking "who the hell is Biggs?" as Luke gushed over seeing him again. Many friends have told me that I didn't really see this, I only heard or read about it later, and then thought I did. Cursed with a near-photographic memory, I know the version I saw included Luke's reaction to Biggs just before the Death Star attack. No mention of Luke's father tho, it was just Biggs and Luke. The next time I saw it was the spring of 1978 at the Picadilly Theater in Seoul, South Korea, as a soldier stationed in Korea. The scene was removed in that cut, and Korean subtitles ran down the side of the film. I'm wondering if Greg saw his movie at the Seattle Cinedome, instead of the Cinerama. The Cinedome, which became the United Artists Discount Cinema 150 in 1993, was a 1000-seat-plus single-screen theater that screened Star Wars Episode 4 to more audience members than any other theater in the US! The massive movie palace was torn down in the late 1990s, but I saw a few screenings of a few films there on its MASSIVE screen, including an anniversary screening of Star Wars; A New Hope in about 1994.
I’m 63, and I saw the scenes opening night at Showcase Cinema in Louisville Kentucky and saw them again 2 or 3 times more on the first run. Those prints were released at about 10 theaters. Months later when the film returned, they were gone.
I wouldn't have minded the politics if it was left in the prequels. Going in I understood what was going on, but people who weren't as steeped in Star Wars lore may not have.
A lot of those in the later ones may have been to hide the plot from the media. That Han Gun fight for sure was. That's a lot of work for nothing. The Luke and Biggs scene really would have changed what I thought of Tatooine, in the original there is nothing there but his Family and that one space port, you can see him wanting to get off of it, with that teen club drop in there Tatooine becomes populated, and Luke is suddenly a lot older to the 11 year old me that saw this when it was released.. As a kid he never had a chance with Leia, he was always the kid who had a crush on his older brothers girlfriend. If this scene was in the movie Luke is more like 19 and more of a rival to Han for Leia than he appeared in the final cut. George kind of blew that and really made a mess of the time line having them get romantic and then being siblings. I wonder why he felt compelled to have their romance grow knowing they were both Anakin's kids. It was so simple to avoid and the original fascination can be forgiven in that scenario. Unnecessary National Inquirer white trash sub plot.
Biggs, Tank, Camie, and Fixer. Luke supposedly has a crush on Camie, but she is closer to one of his other friends, either Tank or Fixer. And she affectionately, but facetiously addresses Luke as "Wormie", not very complimentary. There is supposedly an allegory to the second track we hear Figrin D'An and the Modal Nodes play, the main song is titled "Mad About Me", the second track is known as "Worm Case", and Camie loves the song, supposedly. It is believed she has dubbed Luke Worm Case, and Wormie as a more colloquial term.
Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see a fellow pilot mentioning that he previously fought with Luke’s father being a big issue. One would assume he’s talking about Anakin in the Clone Wars. I don’t think it’s a big secret that he’s Anakin’s son. The big secret is that Anakin is still alive and that he is now Darth Vader.
It creates a problem for the later canon that Jedi aren't supposed to have families, which was the reason Anakin and Padme kept their relationship secret. And makes the whole bit about Luke and Leia being hidden by not revealing Anakin/Vader had kids, which was a plot point in both the original trilogy and prequels, impossible to justify if it was a widely known fact.
*video not vid. I do not understand the concept of wanting to shorten a word that is already short enough as it is. I find it ridiculous. But I do understand wanting to shorten long words.🤦♂
5:14 Tosche Station. I am still trying to figure out what happened, but I saw this scene the first time I saw Star Wars when it was initially released. I argued for years with my best friend that I had seen it, but it wasn't there. Later on, the graphic novel of the movie included the scene, which I argued was proof I must have seen it: How else would I know the scene even existed? A later remastered extended cut included the scene as well. That scene may not have been cut from all the distributions of the original movie.
@@iapetusmccool I did see it in the novelization, but I am also sure I saw it in the theater. My friend and I had been debating if I had seen it, and when the novelization came out, I exclaimed, "See? That's the scene I told you about!"
6:10 how? people knew who Anakin Skywalker was, not a lot of people knew Darth Vader was Anakin, granted this was written during original trilogy time but the fact remains it wouldn't have fully impacted the twist as Luke thinks his father is dead
I believe that if the scenes involving Luke Skywalker and his friend had been included in A New Hope that Obi-Wan Kenobi's Force Ghost would have merely told Luke Skywalker that Darth Vader is actually the clone of Anakin Skywalker instead. So that is why he had the same aura as Luke's father, only that his becoming a Sith made him darkened.
The cuts that annoy me most are the Luke/Biggs scene on Tatooine which would have better established both characters and made Biggs' reunion/death more impactful, and the scene where the Rebel Alliance is founded by Padme, Organa, and Mothma since it's a pretty frickin' major event that leads directly into the main trilogy.
The first would also shut down the idiots who are constantly claiming that Luke was planning to join the Empire at one point since he wanted to go to "the academy", despite clearly saying that he hates it, even in the theatrical release.
I have an early copy of the script which includes that scene, and has an actress calling Luke by the nickname "Wormy".
@@3Rings4ElvenKings Yeah, I think "Wormie" is Luke's nickname in the novelization too
It's a great scene, but there's just no place for it to fit comfortably in the first act without slowing the movie down or maintaining continuity (since it's set before the Jawas come to the Lars homestead).
@@3Rings4ElvenKings I believe that was Camie, who would have been played by Koo Stark. Both Camie and her boyfriend Fixer appeared in an episode of The Book of Boba Fett.
I wish you had addressed the “I’m not blind, Padme” scene in Revenge of the Sith where Obi Wan basically tells Padme he knew about their marriage for years and that he pretended he didn’t know because he just loves them both too much.
I know it’s an unconfirmed scene, but it would have changed the tone of the film so much.
That one scene would of changed the film's entire tone?
Yes…and no.
I think where Revenge of the Sith shines is in its operatic storytelling, the inevitable clash of brother against brother when the Chosen One falls from grace and his only family has to put him down.
When I was younger, I used to feel like Obi Wan was a bit too much of a yes-man to the Jedi council, too harsh with Anakin and even a bit sanctimonious.
The addition of this scene would have given us a moment to realize that, as it turns out, Obi Wan not only loves Anakin but has been silently keeping his carefully guarded secret because he’s on his side to the bitter end.
It would have made it that much more devastating when fate chose Obi Wan to put down Anakin.
@@mrdorsch7395 If I'm not mistaken, they hinted at that idea in season 7 of the Clone Wars. I think the idea that obi wan knew (or suspected) their marriage for a long time, which makes a lot more sense regarding the final scene in ROTS.
The novel contains it.
The novel was so good. Even better than the movie imo
The Luke & Biggs scene was included (and expanded) in the radio play. Granted, that's a medium more suited for two guys talking for several minutes but it really added a lot to the story IMO.
I got the CD set of that.
There's also extended conversation between Luke and Obi-Wan.
Remember, they also cut 30 minutes from new hope, 48 minutes from empire strikes back, return of jedi was rewritten from middle to end of movie and shortened by 2 1/2 hours
How would that pilot telling Luke he knew his father affect the twist in anyway? Obi Wan told Luke his father was one of the best pilots in the galaxy so it would stand to reason other fighter pilots knew him, it's not like he said " I knew your father before he became Vader "
It wasn't wide spread knowledge that aniken and padame had kids. They even went as far to show padame still pregnant in her public funeral so people would assume the babies died with her.
@@andressarmiento9676 excellent point, I didn't even consider that, but at the time it wouldn't have done anything to lessen the shock of the twist
@@andressarmiento9676 in the long run though I'm glad it didn't make it past the chopping room so it didn't create another minor plot hole between the two trilogies
I don't see where it would've hurt anything either. After all Anakin was a renowed hero of the war so there are bound to be some gray beards around that fought beside him. Also Skywalker can't be that common of a surname. When you stop and think all the twist did was make Anakin the main character of story over Luke.
@@andressarmiento9676 Yes, that does seem hard to explain. Also, we know now that Anakin and the other Jedi generally fought alongside clones, which that person is not. Maybe he was on a planet where Anakin had one of his special missions? And I don’t know, maybe Biggs put two and two together and figured out the connection through speculation? Luke may have repeated things Ben told him about his father being a great pilot during the clone wars. And Biggs may have heard stories about the clone wars about “Anakin Skywalker”. And he may have just assumed because of the last name that he had figured out who Luke’s father was. (And it wouldn’t be too surprising if he was totally ignorant about Padme and the circumstances of her death).
Biggs may have had to do some convincing for Luke (an unknown person to the rebellion) to jump right into piloting a crucial mission. He may have been bragging about Luke’s flying skills. And embellished that story by saying that his father was the famous Anakin Skywalker, renowned for his piloting skills. I suppose this kind of speculation and embellishment connecting someone to a famous person with the same last name is not that unusual for humans to do, even in the absence of the facts to back it up. I don’t know, that’s the best I can come up with. But that doesn’t mean that either of them knew that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were one and the same.
One thing to add about scene number 5 at 5:13 "Tosche Station". We get to see this location in The Book of Boba Fett when Fett takes out the Nikto gang. We even see that Luke's other friends who also appeared in this deleted scene apparently never left.
The whole scene was also in the oversize comic released at the time of the movie. It also had the later added Jabba/Han scene with fett, but Jaba was drawn as a humanoid looking more like an older walrus-man
@@hughkills and in the novelisation if memory serves
I don't know if it would have changed anything, but the scene from Phantom Menace where Anikan beats up Greedo should have been left in. It shows Anikan's short temper and how he can lose control, as well as gave Qui Gon some good lines making it a teachable moment. Anikan was a good kid in TPM with very little issues, then AOTC made him look more like a whiney bitxh without any real story leading up to who he is.
Instead all we get is "You're a slave?" "I'm a PERSON and my name is ANAKIN!" outburst alluding to his unruly nature.
Wait, that little shitsplat Rodian kid in Phantom menace was Greedo?!
Like the same greedo that ends up on the wrong side of Solo's Dl44?
@@stinkyfungus I guess he never learned not to mess with a dude's vehicle.
Yes good one. A bit more subtle child agro from young Anakin might have sewn into his back story. As it is the poor actor who played him has a world now best left to his own privacy rather than exposing here
@@brentoncoppick3922
English not your first language?
That reunion scene between Luke and Biggs could've still been left in without the extra comment at the end about Luke's father, and cutting out the "birth of the Rebellion" scene heavily diminished the chance for Padme to stretch in that movie, beyond her relationship with Anakin. Also, side-note about Grand Moff Jerjerrod. A future acting legend originally auditioned for the part: Alan Rickman. Though he was woven into an equally-huge franchise eighteen years later, it's still fun to imagine his now-iconic voice, briefly going up against that of James Earl Jones. (3/9/2023)
I don't understand why that pilot couldn't have fought alongside Luke's father.
The scene is in Special Editions, minus pilot talking about fighting alongside Luke Father. Lucas obviously cut it out for obvious reasons.
However, Lucas original pitch was a big epic story that spanned generations. Unfortunately it would have been too long to film. So he took all the good stuff and made one movie, the unused material became backstory hints. But Luke and Vader certainly weren’t related at the time.
George didn’t know if he would even get to do a sequel. The original text crawl didn’t even have an episode V: A New Hope. Once Lucas realized Star Wars was a hit, it was then he began solidifying his back story and future of the series.
The pilot could've easily fought with Anakin before Attack of the Clones. Even as far back as Phantom Menace. He could've been one of the Naboo pilots which works for the timeline, putting him in his late teens or early 20s and in his 50s in a new hope, and even makes logical sense since Padme was from Naboo and would've had followers from there that opposed the Empire.
All Red Leader (Garven Dreis) says is "I met your father once when I was just a boy. He was a great pilot, if you've got half the skill he had you'll do alright". This fits fine with what Obi-Wan says early in the movie and the actor (Drew Henley) was 37 at the time so could easily have met Anakin during the prequel era.
I suppose it’s because only obi wan and bail organa would have known that Luke and leia were definitely Annakin’s children, and only a few people knew that darth Vader was annakin. If both of those things were common knowledge, the twist wouldn’t have worked.
The "I fought with your father, he was a good man" line could have been left in. Obi-wan already confirmed that Anakin fought in the Clone Wars earlier in the movie. At that time, everyone thought he was a good man. Since most people don't know that Darth Vader is Anakin, nobody would have changed their opinions about him. (Further, I could have sworn the reunion scene was reintroduced to the movie for the special editions.)
I think Biggs and Luke are in the SE, but the commander isn't.
How would he fought with Anakin? The army was made entirely of clones. That would imply that the guy was a clone
@@peterriverajr6899 Maybe he was a clone, maybe he was a starship officer... maybe he was a jedi that quit :D but the Old Republic Destroyers and Acclamaters did have bridge crews and officer crews that werent all clones I believe.
plus he could have been a republic soldier that got a chance to fight alongside anakin at one battle or another
No it could not have been. How would that guy know who Luke is? Who let him in on the secrete that Padme was pregnant by Anikan, or in on the secrete that Obi Wan had hid Anikan's kid on Tatooine? It was only there because Lucas didn't even know that Anikan and Darth Vader were the same person until after this movie. They (he and collaborators) made it up when writing Empire Strikes Back, then retroconned the back story.
Fun Fact: Genevieve O'Reilly, Mon Mothma's actress in the deleted scene for Revenge Of The Sith, reprised the role in Rogue One and has held onto the role for every appearance since of Mon Mothma.
Even voiced her in Rebels
I don't think there was too much "political nonsense" in the prequels. It was world building. It was expanding the galaxy incorporating other systems, other opinions. Although I love the OT, it was a simple story of good versus evil. The prequels gave more layers, and explained the whys and wherefores of how the galaxy came to be as it was in the OT.
I agree
People say it was political nonsense.. Mmm war is political.. It's called Star Wars.. ofc it is going have political stuff in it...
I completely agree!
Extra points for "whys and wherefores".
@@luceerose818 😉
I don't know how but, the cut of Revenge of the Sith I saw included Anakin and Obi Wan jumping into the fuel tank. It was silly and I can see why it was eventually cut.
The ROTJ scene with Luke constructing a new light saber should have definitely been left in.
They could also have filmed him back in Obi-Wan's hut, finding the tools and components he needed, prior to embarking on the mission to save Han.
Him not responding to Vader's "force call" could've resulted in a parody scene in which Vader gets an outgoing message like, "Hey, this is Luke. Leave a message. *beeeep*" Or, "The Jedi you are trying to contact is disconnected or no longer in service...." lol
It should have been renamed Revenge of the Silly.
I vaguely remember a workprint that leaked online before it hit theatres. complete with timestamp. Maybe thats what you saw?
it is in the video game, maybe you are remembering that.
I would honestly love to see extended versions of the original trilogy! The fact that deleted scenes still exist from such old movies is incredible because unused film was often just destroyed back then. I doubt we'll get them anytime soon at the rate Disney's been going, but it would be fun to see what could have been!
Hoth? It should have been called Coldth
The NPR radio versions of the original trilogy include the scenes of Luke with his friends on Tatooine at the start of A new hope. It's all a bit 'rebel without a cause' though.
@@ducknorris233 stop it
@@GafftheHorseBeing based on the script rather than in the final film itself, the novelization includes it as well.
@@HolothurionAs does the original Marvel comic book adaptation.
I saw a fan edit years back with the scene of Anakin meeting Padme's family reintroduced while removing some of their more awkward moments together-- far superior to what we got with only a little difference.
That's the beauty of the Prequels. They're not great, but with some editing to remove some bloat and replace it with material shouldn't have been cut they can be better movies.
I wish you guys that made lists like these would concentrate more on just telling us about the lists rather than offering us sarcastic opinions on elements of the franchise that we might actually like.
Yeah for real. The jokes are unnecessary.
I’m sorry but this background music is not it
If Disney would release Star Wars’ movies I - VI WITH ALL deleted scenes included, they would make a ton of money!
Part of Lucas' deal in selling to Disney was that those films could not be altered further.
Personally I wish all the birth of the rebellion scenes could be put back in.
Are you kidding? The wompas look amazing and strike fear into every kid’s heart. I would say they are more realistic looking than yoda. They look and play amazing on screen. 10/10 for the wompa creature costumes.
Yeah I agree.
I always wonder why everyone seems so pissed of with all the political intrigue in the Precuels, for me it's one of the best parts because it makes sense in that period of war.
Because it wasnt done well and it just makes the entire prequel series an incoherent mess, I havent bothered watching any of them since they were first released for this reason and the god awful boring dialogue
So they cut all these scenes, but left in every single one that included JarJarBinks? Make it make sense…. 🤷♂️
Jar Jar is the real sith lord.
I don't get why that pilot couldn't have known Anakin. I guess people weren't supposed to be aware Luke was his son? They have the same last name. Anybody who knew Anakin, and then heard about the feats of a Luke Skywalker would obviously make that connection.
Exactly. Everyone knew his father was Anakin.
The part people didn't know is that Anakin had become Vader.
That information was only known by a handful of people, all of which were sworn to secrecy.
Maybe Skywalker is like the Smith of the Star Wars galaxy.
@@Kreeos we've never encountered anyone else with the name in canon besides the 4 Skywalkers. Even in legends I think it's just them and Ben.
In the original draft for Star Wars, Anakin Skywalker and a few surviving Jedi founded the Rebel Alliance and he continued to lead it until he was killed by the traitorous Jedi Darth Vader. The Rebel pilot's monologue apparently hinted at this situation, not the Clone Wars.
In the current canon, all of the non-Jedi pilots who could have fought beside Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars would have been CLONES, so the scene is even more problematic now.
@@andrewsuryali8540 he flew with the pilots from Naboo in TPM. Hes what, 19 when the clone wars start.
You'd be safe in assuming he flew a mission or two in that time between TPM and AotC.
The R2D2 Beeping sounds that Anikin made in the deleted scenes is actually a force ability. We first saw it in A New Hope when Obi Wan scared away the Sandpeople who had attacked Luke.
The Sandpeople had yet to discover Iphones. They had no idea how to answer something they didn't own, so they panicked when they heard that ringtone howl.
I saw A New Hope opening night in Louisville Ky. In 1977, the scenes with Luke looking up with binoculars and later in town with Biggs were included in that particular print, and were still there over the run of that print. I understand that it was also at about 9 other theaters across the country. A year or so later when the film returned for a second run, they had been removed.
Ditto.
There is an original deleted scene in which Luke is tending a vaporator and sees flashes in the atmosphere, whips out his macrobinoculars, and gets a better, but not perfectly clear view of the action taking place just above Tattooiine, the Tantive IV being taken by the Star Destroyer. In the Star Wars Storybook, this description is limned. Including the still image of Luke next to a vaporator with his binocs to his eyes, pointed upward. This only leads him to wonder what took place, as he wouldn't know, his binocs were not that powerful.
There is a supposed deleted scene when we first meet Han Solo, there is a girl on his lap (portrayed by little-known at the time, and alleged softcore porn star Koo Stark) and he dismisses her quickly before Chewbacca approaches with Ben and Luke. I don't know exactly if this would have affected overall plot, but it might have established Han as a bit more of a scoundrel than just a smuggler and 'pirate'. We all believe him ruthless enough to have shot first at Greedo, despite the Special Edition and the MacKlunkey edition.
and yet Han was the ONLY one who shot
It would have been odd to have Koo Stark playing two roles in the movie. (She also played Camie Loneozner at Tosche Station, in a scene which was filmed but cut from the final print.) Unless for some reason it was supposed to be Camie who had headed off to Mos Eisley to hang out with Solo and co.
I saw the same print opening week, binoculars, Biggs, girl on lap, and Han definitely shot first.
7:59 The alliance forming meeting would been awesome. There have been several books that mentioned Mon Mothma as being the founder of the rebellion. We sadly have not seen much of her on film. ☹️
I bet Andor is going to deal with that is closer detail in its second season. Have set it up that way in the first season.
Watch Andor.
@@timcrawford9319 Thanks. 😉
It’s covered more thoroughly in the ROTS novelisation. Would totally recommend to read.
8:53 - Would be cool if Disney/Lucasfilm could go back and digitally tweak/rework and insert this original opening to Return of the Jedi, but have the scene take place in Ben Kenobi's old hut on Tatooine instead of just some random cave. As the droids wait outside, show Luke walking around inside the now empty and ransacked structure using the Force through his organic hand to search for something unknown. Have a few of Kenobi's key quotes from A New Hope play in an eerie echoing voice-over on the soundtrack as Luke searches. He then detects something below the floor. Further using the Force to crack open the stone floor and remove the debris and broken pieces, he pulls out a container from underneath the floor. Inside the container he finds the kyber crystal from Qui-Gon Jinn's old lightsaber. Kenobi had saved it all these years after he had "inherited" the weapon. Luke takes the crystal and uses it to complete the construction of HIS new saber. This would explain the green blade and further connect the two trilogies.
I like this idea
@@jamescox4231 Thanks, friend.
@@jamescox4231 I second that. This is a great idea! sometimes the fans are better writers than the "professionals".
This sounds really good but I think it's better how it is because it gets into it faster and keeps him more mysterious.
Do -NOT- ask for Disney to go back and tweak the OT. Please. For the love of God and all things holy…do not tempt the Darth Mickey!
The background music is really distracting
Yup. Pretty sure it's a Keane song, but can't place it 😂
THE 'Biggs' scene, on Tatooine WAS Shown, in the VERY Early '1st-runs' of 'A New Hope' SW4. I Know, because I saw it, as a Kid!! (I'm 59 now).
Even though the Biggs scene was cut the explanation of Luke's piloting skills is still supported in two other scenes. The first one just after he's met Obi-Wan. In Obi's hut he says to Luke he's heard he's become a good pilot himself. The second of course on Yavin 4 in the briefing room before the battle. And there's even a third reinstated scene right after that as they're about to board their fighters and Biggs tells the squadron leader Luke is one of the best bush pilots in the outer rim territories. So there!
When I first saw Stars Wars in the theater a way back when...I was always confused by how Luke already knew all the other pilots in final Death Star battle. The cut Biggs footage totally explains that. Too bad they couldn't have included even a pared down version of the scene. Or at least the pre-battle sequence with Biggs. I can't help but feel sorry for the actor who played Biggs and all the actors who appeared in bit parts that were ultimately cut from Star Wars. Oh well...
The lucky one was Wedge, who has a fair bit of story time in all three OT films.
5:32 No, Biggs confides in Luke about joining the rebellion, not the other way around.
Kind of a shame that they cut out the scene with the rebel pilot saying he fought with Luke's father. You just know that would have inspired an entire episode of The Clone Wars.
I know I'm a bit late, but I was thinking the exact same thing!
The politics in the preqels is a lot of what's good about them and gives them a bit more depth than just swinging around with lightsabers
There’s a scene in Return of the Jedi that shows Luke jumping and grabbing hold of the grates above the Rancor pit. The scene must have been filmed as in the Return of the Jedi “Storybook based on the film” there is a photo of Luke hanging from the grate.
I remember that photo. The Storybook versions of all three movies have photos that are puzzling, as they don't appear in the films. I did a comment based on one of those, the scene of Luke noticing something outside Tattooiine's atmosphere.
If anyone has ever tried to read the original 1976 publication of George Lucas's book Star Wars then you'll know just how much more there was to this saga. The amount of scenes that didn't make it in is astonishing and I imagine the films would be even better with them.
The Tosche Station scene was in fact included in the NPR Star Wars Episode IV audio drama produced in 1981, in which Mark Hamill also played Luke. Buy the set and take a look! It's fun and fleshes out a lot of the movie more.
..."How a teenaged farmboy became a fighter pilot with apparently zero training." -_-
Luke told Han "I'm not such a bad pilot myself". He had a T-16 he flew around blasting womprats not much bigger than 2 meters. There was some time before the Death Star battle for him to train in an X Wing. He almost got himself killed several times during the Death Star battle due to his inexperience in a X Wing and fighter battle. Vader mentioned "The Force is strong with this one". Ben helped him too. Luke let go and used the force to destroy the Death Star. Luke learned fast in the heat of the battle.
So your comment about him having no training is nothing but hot air.
I'm pretty sure Gold leader or was that Red Leader not sure. Would have been a young pilot during the Clone Wars and Anakin was known as a war hero. There is a chance he flew along with Clones and Anakin on a mission or two.
Red leader and well said
Part of the Luke & Biggs reunion was included in the ANH SE version, but without the references to his father by the commander. Still, just like the Jabba scene, it served no objective purpose and was only re-inserted to add context that Lucas "perceived" was missing.
The whole Tosche Station segment should have been included as it incorporates the Luke/Biggs conversation which adds an extra layer to the characters. Plus it would have been good to see Luke in a "Reni Hat". I am surprised that this whole sequence was not included when they released the special editions in the 90's.
As for the scene where the Rebel Alliance is founded, it is interesting that this was left out and it was, until recently, only addressed in the Force Unleashed game...
not to mention Too Stark...
On the last scene, you missed the implication of the flashing light on his saber. It flashes green, he broods and adjusts, it flashes RED, he broods some more and adjusts again, it flashes green, he ignites it green... he was choosing between the light and the dark, and made his saber able to have either a red or green beam. He ultimatly settled on green, but the idea of the darkside was there. It ruins the surprise of him having a saber on the skif scene, and Vader's 'LUUUKKKEEE' cry was a bit much, so cut. Of course, since then lore was added to sabers that make the scene impossible, but still was way cooler.
3:15 Vader stops choking Jerjerrod after he says the Emperor had ordered for no one to enter the throne room. In other words: Don’t choke the messenger.
🫤
But lets be realistic Vader would kill the messenger
Great to see. Star Wars was my whole childhood. All this took me way back 😁
"too much political nonsense in the prequels"... maybe if you can't form an opinion for yourself, and just let the internet tell you what to think 😪
Yeah, because of that I'll dissline the video.
@@mollof7893 oh no. please don't. you monster.
There is too much politics in Phantom Menace
George Lucas grew up post-world war 2 and saw the effects of fascism. Societies do not collapse from the outside, they crumble from within. The Republic was lifted straight from history. Hell, even noble Tyrian purple colors were used to identify the ruling class. The corrupt senators and their arena was at the top of Coruscant, bluntly showing people that they are above the people they are supposed to serve.
Palpatine was an amalgamation of historical peoples’ such as the Roman Augusti and 20th century dictators such as Mussolini, Franco, and Hitler. All of these leaders had power given to them out of times of crisis.
Lucas was telling the backstory of the transition of the Republic to the Empire, just like the Roman Republic, turned Empire.
An Empire isn’t just formed overnight. The politics involved are necessary to explain Palpatine’s seizure of power. He created a crisis, split the Republic into a Civil War, much like America’s, had power given to him by the senate to “protect and preserve” the Republic. He creates another crisis, executes Order 66, brands the Jedi as Heretics, much like the persecution of the Knights Templar, subsequently, never returns his power in the name of security.
I other words, I agree with you guys. The politics were absolutely necessary.
Almost like it's true.......
Great video, it adds to the debate as to whether or not deleted scenes are canon or not.
All of those "boring" scenes that were cut from the prequels made their way into the fan edits, which ended up being far more enjoyable than the theatrical releases so I guess interest is in the eye of the beholder.
At 06:28 I think that would have added to the "you killed my father" hatred of Vader and made the reveal all the more shocking.
At least it would not have been as awkward as the Lannister-like smooching that Leia and Luke seem to be getting up to, before she reveals to Han that they are really siblings.
Leia kisses Luke once, mostly to annoy Han, at a time when no one (including Lucas) knew they would turn out to be related. People make way too big of a deal out of it.
To me, the scenes with Biggs, the lightsaber scene in 6, and the rebellion origin scene are the three most important scenes that should have stayed in the movies.
The Star Wars Storybook included some of what had been cut in ANH, the Biggs scene in particular. This scene added a whole new dynamic to the story, explaining much.
The cut-out "birth of the rebel alliance" scenes from ep.3 were unfortunate cuts... they set up, as you say, to show how the rebels came to be rebels and actually give Padme something to do other than simp around saying things like "Ani you're breaking my heart" and then dying from... ahem... a broken heart. Lucas had no idea what to do with her character other than to make sure she had Luke & Leia.
The political parts were a great background and showed how Palpatine came to power. Absolutely fine with it.
the sequel trilogy needs to be forgotten, period.
There is no sequel trilogy rule of two only two trilogies no more no less the original trilogy and the prequel this is the way
_"the __-sequel-__ prequel trilogy needs to be forgotten, period."_
There, I fixed your erroneous comment for you. Thank goodness for Disney, who revived Star Wars after George Lucas drove it into a ditch and left it there to die. I feel sorry for you non-fans of Star Wars, who don't understand it...
No mention of Obiwan giving Luke to his own brother Owen? (It's in the novel; don't know if the script was changed before filming.) That would have resulted in a change in the prequels. And he would have had to explain why Obiwan was Kenobi and Owen was Lars. I guess he still would have gone the half-brother route. Why didn't Owen and Beru raise Luke thinking he was their son?
Still not sure how Leia could remember anything of Padme. Unless the Organa's had pictures with her that Leia saw.
Kenobi explained that by implying she got that information from him. Not sure if it really suffices but that's the explanation.
I remember hearing, or reading, somewhere that Leah remembered Padme by using her latent use of the force. It was a clunky explanation, but it was the explanation I heard.
Half-brother Owen. Cliegg Lars marries Shmi, as his second wife. Owen is already in his teens or twenties, being from a previous marriage of Cliegg's.
Luke’s buddies used to call him “Wormie”
Han: "Chewy? Ha- have *you* ever heard of a supreme leader Smoke?"
Stormtrooper: "Snoke!"
Han: "Yeah, that's what I said."
Finn dropping Rose like a hot brick. Always makes me chuckle.
only psychopaths chuckle
There are the little snippets of film that hinted at the Darth JarJar plot line. That would have been wild.
Number 9 explains why there were random rooms in the Hoth rebel base level of the N64 game "Shadows of the Empire" with wampas in them.
I never understood it. It felt like a lazy excuse to put wampas in the game for the player to fight.
Imagine shooting a whole scene in one of the greatest movies ever, a new hope, as an and being completely cut out of it. Happens all the time but that would really sting
Luke didn't build his cyborg hand, 2-1B did at the end of ESB.
Not acording to the seance that was cut buddy
@@pugpug4430 The medical frigate "scene" at the end of ESB shows 2-1B finishing off Luke's cyborg hand and testing its artificial nerves. The cut "scene" in ROTJ shows Luke completing his new "laser sword".
@Pug Pug there was a scene of him trying to contact ghosts?
@@white-dragon4424 laser sword!!!! No it his new Lightsaber!
@@stevored1989 No, no, "God Lucas" officially calls it a "Laser Sword", so it's now canon. Lucas gushers say his word is final, end of, no arguments.
The Jeejerod scene where he sats "Emperor's orders, Sir" changes nothing. Maybe I just see it this way because I was introduced to the novelizations of the original trilogy first, but it really felt like the officer was already terrified of Vader but fear of the Emperor won out
I do tend to watch Tosche Station between Rogue One and New Hope anyway
Attack of the Clones lost many scenes, some between Padmé & Ani, but the romance wouldn't feel so rushed if kept in
It would've been cool to have the founding of the Rebellion in Revenge of the Sith, and politics has always been part of Star Wars since Leia mentioned the Imperial Senate
That bit with the Commander was cool, now that James Earl Jones is retired from the role it's time to test that technology they've developed to keep Vader around
Not sure why that lightsaber scene was cut, James Earl Jones & Antony Daniels even finished their Automated Dialogue Replacement
I saw "Attack of the Clones" on opening day in Atlanta, GA and I could have sworn there was a scene showing the senators (namely Padme and Bail Organa, as well as a couple others) discussing formation of an army that I have never seen since... It wasn't mentioned here, and I've never seen any reference to it anywhere else, but I swear I remember seeing it.
is it on the deleted scenes of the dvd perhaps?
A lot of the Mon Mothma intrigue is revisited in 'Andor'. Looks like nothing is truly discarded from the Star Wars universe, even the outtakes from the prequels.
The pilot knowing Anakin had a son may have been a problem but it would have been accounted for when the prequels were written. However, no one other than a few people knew Anakin became Vader so that wouldn't be an issue and doesn't imply that Lucas had not already decided this to be the case.
What is going on with this background music? It doesn't fit at all with the story of the video.
What changed everything.. Star Wars had already change decade by decade, and it still looks brilliant.
One scene that was missed and I think the most important, was the Last Jedi, Rey trying to save a village. It was the corner stone on why Luke let the jedi die.
There was no political nonsense in the prequels. It was world building. It shows how a democracy can become a dictatorship. It showed Palpatine’s rise to power and the downfall of the Republic
Given the Andor series on Disney+ they could conceivably revisit the "birth of the rebellion" scene and work it into a kind of prologue for an episode of season 2... just a thought. Senator Mon Mothma having a flashback?
I think Biggs, light saber, and an edited version of the council talking about forming the rebels should be put in. Extended versuon of films many people dont have a problem with, for a deeper explination of sub plots, and or points that were never completly fleshed out.
Point 2, the founding of The Rebellion - this is a big part of Andor so I'm glad it was cut from Episode 3!!
One thing to note is that in Star Wars, the cutscenes are canon, unless they contradict the movie.
the politics in the prequels should've gotten ore attention, as it was very crucial to the story to begin with.
7:36
"The duo witness Grievous executing Shaak Ti, a Jedi we've barely seen before and have no reason to care about."
This tells us who saw the Clone Wars miniseries that drip-fed on TV, leading up to the release of the film in theaters. Shaak Ti got a decent amount of screen time. Along with being in the battle that first introduced General Grievous to the franchise in the first place, Shaak Ti was with Palpatine when the Battle of Coruscant broke out, and was captured by Grievous while trying to protect him from being abducted. She fought a small company of Magnaguard droids while trying to buy Palpatine time to escape, but ultimately was bested by Grievous, and captured. Her execution in the deleted scene was the grim payoff of nearly 5 episodes of struggle and hardship during the Battle of Coruscant.
Her fate fate was supposed to be the story of futility. Every odd was stacked against her in a game that was rigged from the start. She was set up to fail her mission because the one who orchestrated Palpatine's abduction was Palpatine himself. Through sheer tenacity and a desire to protect the man whose safety she was charged with, she raced to his office, held Grievous at bay in a rematch after he'd killed other Jedi before her eyes, survived a plummeting turbolift crash, got through two different battles in the metro, held the line against seemingly impossible numbers of hostile Magnaguards, raced to catch up to Palpatine when she realized he'd been sent into a trap, caught up, fought Grievous for a fourth time, lost, was captured, and in the opening act of the movie- were her death scene left in- executed, all according to Palpatine's plans.
When Clone Wars was airing, it was effectively mandatory viewing for all of the context that would be needed for seeing Revenge of the Sith. This animated series was the introduction for both Asajj Ventress and General Grievous, showed Anakin's trials of Knighthood, showed how Anakin got the scar over his eye, gave more context to the CIS and the war itself, and set up all of the pieces to do an otherwise cold open on the Battle of Coruscant as Revenge of the Sith starts.
Do not say that Shaak Ti was 'barely seen' and that we have 'no reason to care'. WE were there for all of her episodes. YOU couldn't be asked to watch any of them.
They established Luke being a pilot a few times in the film. Not just the deleted Biggs scene. So there are no wholes there.
Wholesome.
Wholey swhit what a Bigg mistake knot to have scene that sceen.
For some reason i remembers seeing the Scene with the Reunion when i watched the movie 18 years ago
@anonym7410 - Later it was cut out.
You didnt mention a new hope meeting a northern irish jabba the hutt
‘Bout yer’
Also it would be so cool if maybe one day either a fan made or future release of these movies could be extended versions that include the deleted scenes! Like lord of the rings!
While that final clip would have been interesting, leaving that info out and keeping the audience guessing "Where is Luke and What is he Up To???" was a truly memorable cinema moment. I still remember that question rising up and becoming stronger during all the going-ons, until Luke make his appearance.
It's interesting that both zones A New Hope and Return of the Jedi were both improved by deleting Luke's first scene. If you look up "How Star Wars was saved in editing" you get a good explanation on that one. And by taking out the scene in Return of the Jedi it made his appearance in Jabba's palace a much more memorable scene. Plus it left the field open for lightsaber construction to be much cooler. Check out "The Gathering" in Clone Wars to see that.
in the cut ive seen, biggs and luke do reunite, dont think they reference his father tho
When I first saw Star Wars in '77 the Tosche Station scene was in the film.
Yes, I saw it also, at Showcase cinema in Louisville, Ky.
I will never understand the whole "pacing" reasoning for removing scenes. I feel the scenes are short enough that yeah it may feel somewhat out of place, it almost always adds to the story.
It's not necessarily about the length, it's about interrupting the flow of the other scenes.
"Orson Krennic is one of the finest villains the Star Wars series has to offer."
Have we been watching a different Star Wars series?
The prequels did have too much politics but they tell an important part of the story, after all palpatine couldn't just take over the galaxy overnight.
1:03 "Daaeethh Vader". Haha, I had a good chuckle there!
It annoys me that there was no mention of Starkiller anywhere.
Disney instead just wants to spit on his grave by naming a First Order outpost on the planet Ilum after him as a way to make a crappy Star Wars film so they can pretend he never existed in the first place.
I hope Disney is reading this: 🖕🖕
Why would there have been?
There are literally hundreds of force users from books and video games that will never be mentioned, even if Disney didn't take over.
Starkiller is overpowered, lame, bad fan fiction writing. The dude is so powerful he pulls star destroyers from orbit by shaking his penis
I've only ever seen part of the deleted Wampa scene, I would love to see the rest of it
I don't think that any of these scenes would have changed a whole lot. There were scenes written for The Last Jedi that would have changed that movie from an unwatchable mess to a fairly coherent film. One was a scene with Luke in his little hovel contemplating whether or not to train Rey and a red force ghost appears behind him. Luke glances briefly to the side to acknowledge the figure, sighs, and closes his eyes in meditation while the figure fades away. It would have explained why Luke seemed so haunted because he was LITERALLY being haunted.
Another scene would have revealed that there was a spy onboard the resistance cruiser and that is why Admiral Holdo seemed so offputting and dismissive of Poe. It would also have explained how the First Order was actually tracking their ship and that the slow speed chase was an attempt to buy time to allow the resistance to find the spy.
Interestingly enough, the sequence where Anakin and Obi-Wan are traipsing through the underbelly of Grevious's ship is in the Revenge of the Sith PS2 movie tie-in game.
I saw Episode 4 in Seattle's Cinerama Theater before the movie gained much attention.
The Tosche-station scene was intact!
I recall Luke looking up with his binoculars, gushing about the space-battle (Vader attacking Leia's transport) raging overhead, while his buddies were more interested in their speeders.
The pacing was weird and choppy, the Academy dialog felt forced.
It's a better movie with the scenes cut.
Dozens of tiny edits...establishing shots trimmed by a few seconds, jump-cuts that used to be dissolves or wipes, wipes that were jump-cuts, dialog that feels like something was cut out.
The 'standard release' of Episode 4 is a very different movie from the one I saw in that big, dark room.
Cut scenes are in the comic book and novel. To my knowledge none were ever seen in theatres. While the original screenings did have differences to what became the final version before the special editions, the cut scenes were only seen by Lucus's friends.
I saw Episode 4 at the Grand Theater in Grand Island Nebraska soon after the film's release summer 1977. The cut I saw included the Biggs/Luke reunion scene in the hangar. I remember thinking "who the hell is Biggs?" as Luke gushed over seeing him again. Many friends have told me that I didn't really see this, I only heard or read about it later, and then thought I did. Cursed with a near-photographic memory, I know the version I saw included Luke's reaction to Biggs just before the Death Star attack. No mention of Luke's father tho, it was just Biggs and Luke. The next time I saw it was the spring of 1978 at the Picadilly Theater in Seoul, South Korea, as a soldier stationed in Korea. The scene was removed in that cut, and Korean subtitles ran down the side of the film.
I'm wondering if Greg saw his movie at the Seattle Cinedome, instead of the Cinerama. The Cinedome, which became the United Artists Discount Cinema 150 in 1993, was a 1000-seat-plus single-screen theater that screened Star Wars Episode 4 to more audience members than any other theater in the US!
The massive movie palace was torn down in the late 1990s, but I saw a few screenings of a few films there on its MASSIVE screen, including an anniversary screening of Star Wars; A New Hope in about 1994.
@@JetCityJester Time plays trick on us all. There are things I think were different with them being in the comic book, novel and radio drama.
I recall a magazine article ’Star wars was saved in the edit’ which discussed all the changes for the general release.
I’m 63, and I saw the scenes opening night at Showcase Cinema in Louisville Kentucky and saw them again 2 or 3 times more on the first run. Those prints were released at about 10 theaters. Months later when the film returned, they were gone.
I wouldn't have minded the politics if it was left in the prequels. Going in I understood what was going on, but people who weren't as steeped in Star Wars lore may not have.
A lot of those in the later ones may have been to hide the plot from the media. That Han Gun fight for sure was. That's a lot of work for nothing.
The Luke and Biggs scene really would have changed what I thought of Tatooine, in the original there is nothing there but his Family and that one space port, you can see him wanting to get off of it, with that teen club drop in there Tatooine becomes populated, and Luke is suddenly a lot older to the 11 year old me that saw this when it was released..
As a kid he never had a chance with Leia, he was always the kid who had a crush on his older brothers girlfriend.
If this scene was in the movie Luke is more like 19 and more of a rival to Han for Leia than he appeared in the final cut.
George kind of blew that and really made a mess of the time line having them get romantic and then being siblings. I wonder why he felt compelled to have their romance grow knowing they were both Anakin's kids. It was so simple to avoid and the original fascination can be forgiven in that scenario. Unnecessary National Inquirer white trash sub plot.
Biggs, Tank, Camie, and Fixer. Luke supposedly has a crush on Camie, but she is closer to one of his other friends, either Tank or Fixer. And she affectionately, but facetiously addresses Luke as "Wormie", not very complimentary. There is supposedly an allegory to the second track we hear Figrin D'An and the Modal Nodes play, the main song is titled "Mad About Me", the second track is known as "Worm Case", and Camie loves the song, supposedly. It is believed she has dubbed Luke Worm Case, and Wormie as a more colloquial term.
Unless I’m missing something, I don’t see a fellow pilot mentioning that he previously fought with Luke’s father being a big issue. One would assume he’s talking about Anakin in the Clone Wars. I don’t think it’s a big secret that he’s Anakin’s son. The big secret is that Anakin is still alive and that he is now Darth Vader.
It creates a problem for the later canon that Jedi aren't supposed to have families, which was the reason Anakin and Padme kept their relationship secret. And makes the whole bit about Luke and Leia being hidden by not revealing Anakin/Vader had kids, which was a plot point in both the original trilogy and prequels, impossible to justify if it was a widely known fact.
great vid bad music
*video not vid. I do not understand the concept of wanting to shorten a word that is already short enough as it is. I find it ridiculous. But I do understand wanting to shorten long words.🤦♂
@@SuperPlacido1 You must be fun at parties.
@@maxanluulnaxam1102 Why do you say that?
5:14 Tosche Station. I am still trying to figure out what happened, but I saw this scene the first time I saw Star Wars when it was initially released. I argued for years with my best friend that I had seen it, but it wasn't there. Later on, the graphic novel of the movie included the scene, which I argued was proof I must have seen it: How else would I know the scene even existed? A later remastered extended cut included the scene as well.
That scene may not have been cut from all the distributions of the original movie.
I think it was in the novelization. Are you remembering it from there?
@@iapetusmccool I did see it in the novelization, but I am also sure I saw it in the theater. My friend and I had been debating if I had seen it, and when the novelization came out, I exclaimed, "See? That's the scene I told you about!"
Yes, I saw it also on the first released print at Showcase Cinema in Louisville Kentucky, when the movie came back for a second run, they were gone.
Star wars is dead, they ruined it after Force awakens.
6:10 how? people knew who Anakin Skywalker was, not a lot of people knew Darth Vader was Anakin, granted this was written during original trilogy time but the fact remains it wouldn't have fully impacted the twist as Luke thinks his father is dead
I believe that if the scenes involving Luke Skywalker and his friend had been included in A New Hope that Obi-Wan Kenobi's Force Ghost would have merely told Luke Skywalker that Darth Vader is actually the clone of Anakin Skywalker instead. So that is why he had the same aura as Luke's father, only that his becoming a Sith made him darkened.
How was the Anakin and Obi-Wan communicating by hand signs silly? It shows how close they were and hiw they are such a good team.