The cuts that annoy me most are the Luke/Biggs scene on Tatooine which would have better established both characters and made Biggs' reunion/death more impactful, and the scene where the Rebel Alliance is founded by Padme, Organa, and Mothma since it's a pretty frickin' major event that leads directly into the main trilogy.
The first would also shut down the idiots who are constantly claiming that Luke was planning to join the Empire at one point since he wanted to go to "the academy", despite clearly saying that he hates it, even in the theatrical release.
It's a great scene, but there's just no place for it to fit comfortably in the first act without slowing the movie down or maintaining continuity (since it's set before the Jawas come to the Lars homestead).
@@3Rings4ElvenKings I believe that was Camie, who would have been played by Koo Stark. Both Camie and her boyfriend Fixer appeared in an episode of The Book of Boba Fett.
I wish you had addressed the “I’m not blind, Padme” scene in Revenge of the Sith where Obi Wan basically tells Padme he knew about their marriage for years and that he pretended he didn’t know because he just loves them both too much. I know it’s an unconfirmed scene, but it would have changed the tone of the film so much.
Yes…and no. I think where Revenge of the Sith shines is in its operatic storytelling, the inevitable clash of brother against brother when the Chosen One falls from grace and his only family has to put him down. When I was younger, I used to feel like Obi Wan was a bit too much of a yes-man to the Jedi council, too harsh with Anakin and even a bit sanctimonious. The addition of this scene would have given us a moment to realize that, as it turns out, Obi Wan not only loves Anakin but has been silently keeping his carefully guarded secret because he’s on his side to the bitter end. It would have made it that much more devastating when fate chose Obi Wan to put down Anakin.
@@mrdorsch7395 If I'm not mistaken, they hinted at that idea in season 7 of the Clone Wars. I think the idea that obi wan knew (or suspected) their marriage for a long time, which makes a lot more sense regarding the final scene in ROTS.
One thing to add about scene number 5 at 5:13 "Tosche Station". We get to see this location in The Book of Boba Fett when Fett takes out the Nikto gang. We even see that Luke's other friends who also appeared in this deleted scene apparently never left.
The whole scene was also in the oversize comic released at the time of the movie. It also had the later added Jabba/Han scene with fett, but Jaba was drawn as a humanoid looking more like an older walrus-man
The Luke & Biggs scene was included (and expanded) in the radio play. Granted, that's a medium more suited for two guys talking for several minutes but it really added a lot to the story IMO.
Remember, they also cut 30 minutes from new hope, 48 minutes from empire strikes back, return of jedi was rewritten from middle to end of movie and shortened by 2 1/2 hours
I don't know if it would have changed anything, but the scene from Phantom Menace where Anikan beats up Greedo should have been left in. It shows Anikan's short temper and how he can lose control, as well as gave Qui Gon some good lines making it a teachable moment. Anikan was a good kid in TPM with very little issues, then AOTC made him look more like a whiney bitxh without any real story leading up to who he is.
Yes good one. A bit more subtle child agro from young Anakin might have sewn into his back story. As it is the poor actor who played him has a world now best left to his own privacy rather than exposing here
Fun Fact: Genevieve O'Reilly, Mon Mothma's actress in the deleted scene for Revenge Of The Sith, reprised the role in Rogue One and has held onto the role for every appearance since of Mon Mothma.
I don't know how but, the cut of Revenge of the Sith I saw included Anakin and Obi Wan jumping into the fuel tank. It was silly and I can see why it was eventually cut. The ROTJ scene with Luke constructing a new light saber should have definitely been left in.
They could also have filmed him back in Obi-Wan's hut, finding the tools and components he needed, prior to embarking on the mission to save Han. Him not responding to Vader's "force call" could've resulted in a parody scene in which Vader gets an outgoing message like, "Hey, this is Luke. Leave a message. *beeeep*" Or, "The Jedi you are trying to contact is disconnected or no longer in service...." lol
I would honestly love to see extended versions of the original trilogy! The fact that deleted scenes still exist from such old movies is incredible because unused film was often just destroyed back then. I doubt we'll get them anytime soon at the rate Disney's been going, but it would be fun to see what could have been!
The NPR radio versions of the original trilogy include the scenes of Luke with his friends on Tatooine at the start of A new hope. It's all a bit 'rebel without a cause' though.
I saw a fan edit years back with the scene of Anakin meeting Padme's family reintroduced while removing some of their more awkward moments together-- far superior to what we got with only a little difference.
That reunion scene between Luke and Biggs could've still been left in without the extra comment at the end about Luke's father, and cutting out the "birth of the Rebellion" scene heavily diminished the chance for Padme to stretch in that movie, beyond her relationship with Anakin. Also, side-note about Grand Moff Jerjerrod. A future acting legend originally auditioned for the part: Alan Rickman. Though he was woven into an equally-huge franchise eighteen years later, it's still fun to imagine his now-iconic voice, briefly going up against that of James Earl Jones. (3/9/2023)
The scene is in Special Editions, minus pilot talking about fighting alongside Luke Father. Lucas obviously cut it out for obvious reasons. However, Lucas original pitch was a big epic story that spanned generations. Unfortunately it would have been too long to film. So he took all the good stuff and made one movie, the unused material became backstory hints. But Luke and Vader certainly weren’t related at the time. George didn’t know if he would even get to do a sequel. The original text crawl didn’t even have an episode V: A New Hope. Once Lucas realized Star Wars was a hit, it was then he began solidifying his back story and future of the series.
The pilot could've easily fought with Anakin before Attack of the Clones. Even as far back as Phantom Menace. He could've been one of the Naboo pilots which works for the timeline, putting him in his late teens or early 20s and in his 50s in a new hope, and even makes logical sense since Padme was from Naboo and would've had followers from there that opposed the Empire.
All Red Leader (Garven Dreis) says is "I met your father once when I was just a boy. He was a great pilot, if you've got half the skill he had you'll do alright". This fits fine with what Obi-Wan says early in the movie and the actor (Drew Henley) was 37 at the time so could easily have met Anakin during the prequel era.
I suppose it’s because only obi wan and bail organa would have known that Luke and leia were definitely Annakin’s children, and only a few people knew that darth Vader was annakin. If both of those things were common knowledge, the twist wouldn’t have worked.
The "I fought with your father, he was a good man" line could have been left in. Obi-wan already confirmed that Anakin fought in the Clone Wars earlier in the movie. At that time, everyone thought he was a good man. Since most people don't know that Darth Vader is Anakin, nobody would have changed their opinions about him. (Further, I could have sworn the reunion scene was reintroduced to the movie for the special editions.)
@@peterriverajr6899 Maybe he was a clone, maybe he was a starship officer... maybe he was a jedi that quit :D but the Old Republic Destroyers and Acclamaters did have bridge crews and officer crews that werent all clones I believe.
No it could not have been. How would that guy know who Luke is? Who let him in on the secrete that Padme was pregnant by Anikan, or in on the secrete that Obi Wan had hid Anikan's kid on Tatooine? It was only there because Lucas didn't even know that Anikan and Darth Vader were the same person until after this movie. They (he and collaborators) made it up when writing Empire Strikes Back, then retroconned the back story.
I wish you guys that made lists like these would concentrate more on just telling us about the lists rather than offering us sarcastic opinions on elements of the franchise that we might actually like.
Are you kidding? The wompas look amazing and strike fear into every kid’s heart. I would say they are more realistic looking than yoda. They look and play amazing on screen. 10/10 for the wompa creature costumes.
I always wonder why everyone seems so pissed of with all the political intrigue in the Precuels, for me it's one of the best parts because it makes sense in that period of war.
I don't get why that pilot couldn't have known Anakin. I guess people weren't supposed to be aware Luke was his son? They have the same last name. Anybody who knew Anakin, and then heard about the feats of a Luke Skywalker would obviously make that connection.
Exactly. Everyone knew his father was Anakin. The part people didn't know is that Anakin had become Vader. That information was only known by a handful of people, all of which were sworn to secrecy.
In the original draft for Star Wars, Anakin Skywalker and a few surviving Jedi founded the Rebel Alliance and he continued to lead it until he was killed by the traitorous Jedi Darth Vader. The Rebel pilot's monologue apparently hinted at this situation, not the Clone Wars. In the current canon, all of the non-Jedi pilots who could have fought beside Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars would have been CLONES, so the scene is even more problematic now.
@@andrewsuryali8540 he flew with the pilots from Naboo in TPM. Hes what, 19 when the clone wars start. You'd be safe in assuming he flew a mission or two in that time between TPM and AotC.
While that final clip would have been interesting, leaving that info out and keeping the audience guessing "Where is Luke and What is he Up To???" was a truly memorable cinema moment. I still remember that question rising up and becoming stronger during all the going-ons, until Luke make his appearance.
7:59 The alliance forming meeting would been awesome. There have been several books that mentioned Mon Mothma as being the founder of the rebellion. We sadly have not seen much of her on film. ☹️
There’s a scene in Return of the Jedi that shows Luke jumping and grabbing hold of the grates above the Rancor pit. The scene must have been filmed as in the Return of the Jedi “Storybook based on the film” there is a photo of Luke hanging from the grate.
I remember that photo. The Storybook versions of all three movies have photos that are puzzling, as they don't appear in the films. I did a comment based on one of those, the scene of Luke noticing something outside Tattooiine's atmosphere.
8:53 - Would be cool if Disney/Lucasfilm could go back and digitally tweak/rework and insert this original opening to Return of the Jedi, but have the scene take place in Ben Kenobi's old hut on Tatooine instead of just some random cave. As the droids wait outside, show Luke walking around inside the now empty and ransacked structure using the Force through his organic hand to search for something unknown. Have a few of Kenobi's key quotes from A New Hope play in an eerie echoing voice-over on the soundtrack as Luke searches. He then detects something below the floor. Further using the Force to crack open the stone floor and remove the debris and broken pieces, he pulls out a container from underneath the floor. Inside the container he finds the kyber crystal from Qui-Gon Jinn's old lightsaber. Kenobi had saved it all these years after he had "inherited" the weapon. Luke takes the crystal and uses it to complete the construction of HIS new saber. This would explain the green blade and further connect the two trilogies.
Part of the Luke & Biggs reunion was included in the ANH SE version, but without the references to his father by the commander. Still, just like the Jabba scene, it served no objective purpose and was only re-inserted to add context that Lucas "perceived" was missing.
The Tosche Station scene was in fact included in the NPR Star Wars Episode IV audio drama produced in 1981, in which Mark Hamill also played Luke. Buy the set and take a look! It's fun and fleshes out a lot of the movie more.
If anyone has ever tried to read the original 1976 publication of George Lucas's book Star Wars then you'll know just how much more there was to this saga. The amount of scenes that didn't make it in is astonishing and I imagine the films would be even better with them.
A lot of the Mon Mothma intrigue is revisited in 'Andor'. Looks like nothing is truly discarded from the Star Wars universe, even the outtakes from the prequels.
Given the Andor series on Disney+ they could conceivably revisit the "birth of the rebellion" scene and work it into a kind of prologue for an episode of season 2... just a thought. Senator Mon Mothma having a flashback?
I do tend to watch Tosche Station between Rogue One and New Hope anyway Attack of the Clones lost many scenes, some between Padmé & Ani, but the romance wouldn't feel so rushed if kept in It would've been cool to have the founding of the Rebellion in Revenge of the Sith, and politics has always been part of Star Wars since Leia mentioned the Imperial Senate That bit with the Commander was cool, now that James Earl Jones is retired from the role it's time to test that technology they've developed to keep Vader around Not sure why that lightsaber scene was cut, James Earl Jones & Antony Daniels even finished their Automated Dialogue Replacement
All of those "boring" scenes that were cut from the prequels made their way into the fan edits, which ended up being far more enjoyable than the theatrical releases so I guess interest is in the eye of the beholder.
To me, the scenes with Biggs, the lightsaber scene in 6, and the rebellion origin scene are the three most important scenes that should have stayed in the movies.
At 06:28 I think that would have added to the "you killed my father" hatred of Vader and made the reveal all the more shocking. At least it would not have been as awkward as the Lannister-like smooching that Leia and Luke seem to be getting up to, before she reveals to Han that they are really siblings.
Leia kisses Luke once, mostly to annoy Han, at a time when no one (including Lucas) knew they would turn out to be related. People make way too big of a deal out of it.
One scene that was missed and I think the most important, was the Last Jedi, Rey trying to save a village. It was the corner stone on why Luke let the jedi die.
The Star Wars Storybook included some of what had been cut in ANH, the Biggs scene in particular. This scene added a whole new dynamic to the story, explaining much.
The pilot knowing Anakin had a son may have been a problem but it would have been accounted for when the prequels were written. However, no one other than a few people knew Anakin became Vader so that wouldn't be an issue and doesn't imply that Lucas had not already decided this to be the case.
The cut-out "birth of the rebel alliance" scenes from ep.3 were unfortunate cuts... they set up, as you say, to show how the rebels came to be rebels and actually give Padme something to do other than simp around saying things like "Ani you're breaking my heart" and then dying from... ahem... a broken heart. Lucas had no idea what to do with her character other than to make sure she had Luke & Leia.
No mention of Obiwan giving Luke to his own brother Owen? (It's in the novel; don't know if the script was changed before filming.) That would have resulted in a change in the prequels. And he would have had to explain why Obiwan was Kenobi and Owen was Lars. I guess he still would have gone the half-brother route. Why didn't Owen and Beru raise Luke thinking he was their son? Still not sure how Leia could remember anything of Padme. Unless the Organa's had pictures with her that Leia saw.
I remember hearing, or reading, somewhere that Leah remembered Padme by using her latent use of the force. It was a clunky explanation, but it was the explanation I heard.
Imagine shooting a whole scene in one of the greatest movies ever, a new hope, as an and being completely cut out of it. Happens all the time but that would really sting
Interestingly enough, the sequence where Anakin and Obi-Wan are traipsing through the underbelly of Grevious's ship is in the Revenge of the Sith PS2 movie tie-in game.
I wouldn't have minded the politics if it was left in the prequels. Going in I understood what was going on, but people who weren't as steeped in Star Wars lore may not have.
In revenge of the Sith, there was concept art for Anakin and Obi-Wan to fight a monster on Mustafar they cut that out of the final duel as well. It could’ve been the last time the Anakin and obi wan actually work together while it was their first duel together as well.
Also it would be so cool if maybe one day either a fan made or future release of these movies could be extended versions that include the deleted scenes! Like lord of the rings!
According to the J.W. Rinzler Making of Star Wars books, Anakin and Darth Vader were originally separate people until well into the draft process of ESB in early 1979.
I believe that if the scenes involving Luke Skywalker and his friend had been included in A New Hope that Obi-Wan Kenobi's Force Ghost would have merely told Luke Skywalker that Darth Vader is actually the clone of Anakin Skywalker instead. So that is why he had the same aura as Luke's father, only that his becoming a Sith made him darkened.
There was no political nonsense in the prequels. It was world building. It shows how a democracy can become a dictatorship. It showed Palpatine’s rise to power and the downfall of the Republic
Inclusion of these scenes would not have changed anything. It just would have given a broader view of the story. I saw The Empire strikes back when it was originally released, & when Vader revealed that he was Luke"s father...THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING.
How would number 4 change anything? The Anakin/Vader connection could have been common knowledge purposely kept from Luke by Owen so he wouldn't run away and join the Empire, and the pilot didn't know he didn't know. He also seemed like he was in on the subterfuge because said he was a good man, but he didn't say "until Palpy got in his head"
The deleted ROTJ scenes are still in the novelization; along with something that would have changed things even *more* for the franchise. Obi-Wan refers to Owen as his brother, telling Luke that's why he left him with Owen. It completely changes the dynamic between Owen and Obi-Wan and the relationship between the Lars family and the Skywalkers; not to mention all the implications for prequel Jedi staying in touch with their families.
The opening of Return of the Jedi was great: they reintroduced the droids, then Chewie, then Leia and Han... and finally Luke, who they make as mysterious as possible. The cut scene would have been like putting a Gilmour solo in the first minute of a Pink Floyd song.
I wish they'd have included the scene that was supposed to be in The Force Awakens where they explain how exactly Anakin's lightsaber ended up in Maz Kanata's basement. I'm sure it was filmed but then cut for pacing and replaced with a lame line of dialogue about how that was a story for another time. That was filmed, wasn't it?
When they first filmed the big reveal scene in ESB. Vader said "You don't know the truth. Obi Wan KILLED your father." Which would've made Kenobi the villain of the series. But then they revised it, and reshot the film only with Mark Hamil/Luke to get the reaction to Vader/Father line.
I watched ROTJ in the cinema on first release, and I am sure the lightsabre construction scene was right there. I have been searching for it for years, and here it is.
While this was a great video,thank you for posting it by the way ! You forgot one of the most crazy deleted scenes in the entire original trilogy .....Boba Fett chasing the Ewok around the Death Star ! I can fully understand why you didn't add that as it would beg SO many questions !
Nice nautical reference here. An old salt can tell the speed of his ship from the feel of the deck, without looking at the gauges. It would be hard to apply that surface ship reference to a spaceship, of course. Nevertheless, it seems to fit in this beautiful scene of two reminiscing captains.
Biggs talking to Luke on Yavin IV was partially restored in the Special Edition. It wasn't in the version I saw as a kid. IMO Lucas could have restored Red Leader having fought in the Clone Wars and heard of Anakin Skywalker, it's a giant galaxy with trillions of beings - him having passing knowledge of Anakin doesn't break canon and it isn't like Luke ever got the chance to ask any follow up questions because Red Leader didn't survive the battle.
I will never understand the whole "pacing" reasoning for removing scenes. I feel the scenes are short enough that yeah it may feel somewhat out of place, it almost always adds to the story.
The Tosche Station scene was possibly also cut because leaving it in would have meant Biggs got through the Academy awfully fast to have already defected to the Rebellion by the time of Yavin IV.
Fun…thanks. It’s interesting that Andor picked up the story of the early days of the rebellion plus illustrating, from the beginning, any rebel actions resulted in 90% losses to the rebels.
i disagree about the birth of the rebellion scenes. Padme was a great character that literally did nothing but be pregnant, be sad, and die in episode 3. those scenes should have stayed in
I actually do believe that Lucas had not decided that Darth Vader was Luke's father when he shot ANH. Cutting against that theory is the closeness of "Vader" to "Vater", German for father. But there are several instances of dialogue where it seems that the later twist wasn't contemplated at the time. In general I think all the cuts listed here were good. "This would have helped explain X" justifications don't cut it; it's better to leave it out and let the audience figure it out on their own.
I like the scene of Luke constructing his Lightsaber in Return of the Jedi. Another deleted scene I love(not in this video) is from Revenge of the Sith, with Yoda's arrival on Degobah. I don't see why either were cut. They're both only about 30 seconds each.
You know what would have been great Star Wars Scenes? Replacing All of Episodes 1,2,3 as well as the entirety of Solo, Rouge One, Mando season 2+, Obi-wan and Asoka
It would be really interesting to see the deleted scenes from "Revenge of the Sith" used as flashback scenes in another season of "Andor" to show the foundation of the rebellion. I mean, you literally have younger footage of the actors involved. 🤷🏻♂️
I disagree with the older pilot knowing Anakin as a problem. It is not far fetched that very few people knew that Anakin was Darth Vader. Of course with the clone wars and prequel movies you can almost definitely say that. But even before they were conceived it still wouldn't be that big of an issue.
The cuts that annoy me most are the Luke/Biggs scene on Tatooine which would have better established both characters and made Biggs' reunion/death more impactful, and the scene where the Rebel Alliance is founded by Padme, Organa, and Mothma since it's a pretty frickin' major event that leads directly into the main trilogy.
The first would also shut down the idiots who are constantly claiming that Luke was planning to join the Empire at one point since he wanted to go to "the academy", despite clearly saying that he hates it, even in the theatrical release.
I have an early copy of the script which includes that scene, and has an actress calling Luke by the nickname "Wormy".
@@3Rings4ElvenKings Yeah, I think "Wormie" is Luke's nickname in the novelization too
It's a great scene, but there's just no place for it to fit comfortably in the first act without slowing the movie down or maintaining continuity (since it's set before the Jawas come to the Lars homestead).
@@3Rings4ElvenKings I believe that was Camie, who would have been played by Koo Stark. Both Camie and her boyfriend Fixer appeared in an episode of The Book of Boba Fett.
I wish you had addressed the “I’m not blind, Padme” scene in Revenge of the Sith where Obi Wan basically tells Padme he knew about their marriage for years and that he pretended he didn’t know because he just loves them both too much.
I know it’s an unconfirmed scene, but it would have changed the tone of the film so much.
That one scene would of changed the film's entire tone?
Yes…and no.
I think where Revenge of the Sith shines is in its operatic storytelling, the inevitable clash of brother against brother when the Chosen One falls from grace and his only family has to put him down.
When I was younger, I used to feel like Obi Wan was a bit too much of a yes-man to the Jedi council, too harsh with Anakin and even a bit sanctimonious.
The addition of this scene would have given us a moment to realize that, as it turns out, Obi Wan not only loves Anakin but has been silently keeping his carefully guarded secret because he’s on his side to the bitter end.
It would have made it that much more devastating when fate chose Obi Wan to put down Anakin.
@@mrdorsch7395 If I'm not mistaken, they hinted at that idea in season 7 of the Clone Wars. I think the idea that obi wan knew (or suspected) their marriage for a long time, which makes a lot more sense regarding the final scene in ROTS.
The novel contains it.
The novel was so good. Even better than the movie imo
One thing to add about scene number 5 at 5:13 "Tosche Station". We get to see this location in The Book of Boba Fett when Fett takes out the Nikto gang. We even see that Luke's other friends who also appeared in this deleted scene apparently never left.
The whole scene was also in the oversize comic released at the time of the movie. It also had the later added Jabba/Han scene with fett, but Jaba was drawn as a humanoid looking more like an older walrus-man
@@hughkills and in the novelisation if memory serves
The Luke & Biggs scene was included (and expanded) in the radio play. Granted, that's a medium more suited for two guys talking for several minutes but it really added a lot to the story IMO.
I got the CD set of that.
There's also extended conversation between Luke and Obi-Wan.
Remember, they also cut 30 minutes from new hope, 48 minutes from empire strikes back, return of jedi was rewritten from middle to end of movie and shortened by 2 1/2 hours
I don't know if it would have changed anything, but the scene from Phantom Menace where Anikan beats up Greedo should have been left in. It shows Anikan's short temper and how he can lose control, as well as gave Qui Gon some good lines making it a teachable moment. Anikan was a good kid in TPM with very little issues, then AOTC made him look more like a whiney bitxh without any real story leading up to who he is.
Instead all we get is "You're a slave?" "I'm a PERSON and my name is ANAKIN!" outburst alluding to his unruly nature.
Wait, that little shitsplat Rodian kid in Phantom menace was Greedo?!
Like the same greedo that ends up on the wrong side of Solo's Dl44?
@@stinkyfungus I guess he never learned not to mess with a dude's vehicle.
Yes good one. A bit more subtle child agro from young Anakin might have sewn into his back story. As it is the poor actor who played him has a world now best left to his own privacy rather than exposing here
@@brentoncoppick3922
English not your first language?
Fun Fact: Genevieve O'Reilly, Mon Mothma's actress in the deleted scene for Revenge Of The Sith, reprised the role in Rogue One and has held onto the role for every appearance since of Mon Mothma.
Even voiced her in Rebels
I don't know how but, the cut of Revenge of the Sith I saw included Anakin and Obi Wan jumping into the fuel tank. It was silly and I can see why it was eventually cut.
The ROTJ scene with Luke constructing a new light saber should have definitely been left in.
They could also have filmed him back in Obi-Wan's hut, finding the tools and components he needed, prior to embarking on the mission to save Han.
Him not responding to Vader's "force call" could've resulted in a parody scene in which Vader gets an outgoing message like, "Hey, this is Luke. Leave a message. *beeeep*" Or, "The Jedi you are trying to contact is disconnected or no longer in service...." lol
It should have been renamed Revenge of the Silly.
I vaguely remember a workprint that leaked online before it hit theatres. complete with timestamp. Maybe thats what you saw?
I would honestly love to see extended versions of the original trilogy! The fact that deleted scenes still exist from such old movies is incredible because unused film was often just destroyed back then. I doubt we'll get them anytime soon at the rate Disney's been going, but it would be fun to see what could have been!
Hoth? It should have been called Coldth
The NPR radio versions of the original trilogy include the scenes of Luke with his friends on Tatooine at the start of A new hope. It's all a bit 'rebel without a cause' though.
@@ducknorris233 stop it
@@GafftheHorseBeing based on the script rather than in the final film itself, the novelization includes it as well.
@@HolothurionAs does the original Marvel comic book adaptation.
I saw a fan edit years back with the scene of Anakin meeting Padme's family reintroduced while removing some of their more awkward moments together-- far superior to what we got with only a little difference.
That reunion scene between Luke and Biggs could've still been left in without the extra comment at the end about Luke's father, and cutting out the "birth of the Rebellion" scene heavily diminished the chance for Padme to stretch in that movie, beyond her relationship with Anakin. Also, side-note about Grand Moff Jerjerrod. A future acting legend originally auditioned for the part: Alan Rickman. Though he was woven into an equally-huge franchise eighteen years later, it's still fun to imagine his now-iconic voice, briefly going up against that of James Earl Jones. (3/9/2023)
I don't understand why that pilot couldn't have fought alongside Luke's father.
The scene is in Special Editions, minus pilot talking about fighting alongside Luke Father. Lucas obviously cut it out for obvious reasons.
However, Lucas original pitch was a big epic story that spanned generations. Unfortunately it would have been too long to film. So he took all the good stuff and made one movie, the unused material became backstory hints. But Luke and Vader certainly weren’t related at the time.
George didn’t know if he would even get to do a sequel. The original text crawl didn’t even have an episode V: A New Hope. Once Lucas realized Star Wars was a hit, it was then he began solidifying his back story and future of the series.
The pilot could've easily fought with Anakin before Attack of the Clones. Even as far back as Phantom Menace. He could've been one of the Naboo pilots which works for the timeline, putting him in his late teens or early 20s and in his 50s in a new hope, and even makes logical sense since Padme was from Naboo and would've had followers from there that opposed the Empire.
All Red Leader (Garven Dreis) says is "I met your father once when I was just a boy. He was a great pilot, if you've got half the skill he had you'll do alright". This fits fine with what Obi-Wan says early in the movie and the actor (Drew Henley) was 37 at the time so could easily have met Anakin during the prequel era.
I suppose it’s because only obi wan and bail organa would have known that Luke and leia were definitely Annakin’s children, and only a few people knew that darth Vader was annakin. If both of those things were common knowledge, the twist wouldn’t have worked.
I’m sorry but this background music is not it
The "I fought with your father, he was a good man" line could have been left in. Obi-wan already confirmed that Anakin fought in the Clone Wars earlier in the movie. At that time, everyone thought he was a good man. Since most people don't know that Darth Vader is Anakin, nobody would have changed their opinions about him. (Further, I could have sworn the reunion scene was reintroduced to the movie for the special editions.)
I think Biggs and Luke are in the SE, but the commander isn't.
How would he fought with Anakin? The army was made entirely of clones. That would imply that the guy was a clone
@@peterriverajr6899 Maybe he was a clone, maybe he was a starship officer... maybe he was a jedi that quit :D but the Old Republic Destroyers and Acclamaters did have bridge crews and officer crews that werent all clones I believe.
plus he could have been a republic soldier that got a chance to fight alongside anakin at one battle or another
No it could not have been. How would that guy know who Luke is? Who let him in on the secrete that Padme was pregnant by Anikan, or in on the secrete that Obi Wan had hid Anikan's kid on Tatooine? It was only there because Lucas didn't even know that Anikan and Darth Vader were the same person until after this movie. They (he and collaborators) made it up when writing Empire Strikes Back, then retroconned the back story.
I wish you guys that made lists like these would concentrate more on just telling us about the lists rather than offering us sarcastic opinions on elements of the franchise that we might actually like.
Are you kidding? The wompas look amazing and strike fear into every kid’s heart. I would say they are more realistic looking than yoda. They look and play amazing on screen. 10/10 for the wompa creature costumes.
I always wonder why everyone seems so pissed of with all the political intrigue in the Precuels, for me it's one of the best parts because it makes sense in that period of war.
I don't get why that pilot couldn't have known Anakin. I guess people weren't supposed to be aware Luke was his son? They have the same last name. Anybody who knew Anakin, and then heard about the feats of a Luke Skywalker would obviously make that connection.
Exactly. Everyone knew his father was Anakin.
The part people didn't know is that Anakin had become Vader.
That information was only known by a handful of people, all of which were sworn to secrecy.
Maybe Skywalker is like the Smith of the Star Wars galaxy.
@@Kreeos we've never encountered anyone else with the name in canon besides the 4 Skywalkers. Even in legends I think it's just them and Ben.
In the original draft for Star Wars, Anakin Skywalker and a few surviving Jedi founded the Rebel Alliance and he continued to lead it until he was killed by the traitorous Jedi Darth Vader. The Rebel pilot's monologue apparently hinted at this situation, not the Clone Wars.
In the current canon, all of the non-Jedi pilots who could have fought beside Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars would have been CLONES, so the scene is even more problematic now.
@@andrewsuryali8540 he flew with the pilots from Naboo in TPM. Hes what, 19 when the clone wars start.
You'd be safe in assuming he flew a mission or two in that time between TPM and AotC.
While that final clip would have been interesting, leaving that info out and keeping the audience guessing "Where is Luke and What is he Up To???" was a truly memorable cinema moment. I still remember that question rising up and becoming stronger during all the going-ons, until Luke make his appearance.
7:59 The alliance forming meeting would been awesome. There have been several books that mentioned Mon Mothma as being the founder of the rebellion. We sadly have not seen much of her on film. ☹️
I bet Andor is going to deal with that is closer detail in its second season. Have set it up that way in the first season.
Watch Andor.
@@timcrawford9319 Thanks. 😉
It’s covered more thoroughly in the ROTS novelisation. Would totally recommend to read.
The background music is really distracting
Yup. Pretty sure it's a Keane song, but can't place it 😂
There’s a scene in Return of the Jedi that shows Luke jumping and grabbing hold of the grates above the Rancor pit. The scene must have been filmed as in the Return of the Jedi “Storybook based on the film” there is a photo of Luke hanging from the grate.
I remember that photo. The Storybook versions of all three movies have photos that are puzzling, as they don't appear in the films. I did a comment based on one of those, the scene of Luke noticing something outside Tattooiine's atmosphere.
8:53 - Would be cool if Disney/Lucasfilm could go back and digitally tweak/rework and insert this original opening to Return of the Jedi, but have the scene take place in Ben Kenobi's old hut on Tatooine instead of just some random cave. As the droids wait outside, show Luke walking around inside the now empty and ransacked structure using the Force through his organic hand to search for something unknown. Have a few of Kenobi's key quotes from A New Hope play in an eerie echoing voice-over on the soundtrack as Luke searches. He then detects something below the floor. Further using the Force to crack open the stone floor and remove the debris and broken pieces, he pulls out a container from underneath the floor. Inside the container he finds the kyber crystal from Qui-Gon Jinn's old lightsaber. Kenobi had saved it all these years after he had "inherited" the weapon. Luke takes the crystal and uses it to complete the construction of HIS new saber. This would explain the green blade and further connect the two trilogies.
I like this idea
@@jamescox4231 Thanks, friend.
@@jamescox4231 I second that. This is a great idea! sometimes the fans are better writers than the "professionals".
This sounds really good but I think it's better how it is because it gets into it faster and keeps him more mysterious.
Do -NOT- ask for Disney to go back and tweak the OT. Please. For the love of God and all things holy…do not tempt the Darth Mickey!
THE 'Biggs' scene, on Tatooine WAS Shown, in the VERY Early '1st-runs' of 'A New Hope' SW4. I Know, because I saw it, as a Kid!! (I'm 59 now).
Part of the Luke & Biggs reunion was included in the ANH SE version, but without the references to his father by the commander. Still, just like the Jabba scene, it served no objective purpose and was only re-inserted to add context that Lucas "perceived" was missing.
5:32 No, Biggs confides in Luke about joining the rebellion, not the other way around.
Luke’s buddies used to call him “Wormie”
The Tosche Station scene was in fact included in the NPR Star Wars Episode IV audio drama produced in 1981, in which Mark Hamill also played Luke. Buy the set and take a look! It's fun and fleshes out a lot of the movie more.
The politics in the preqels is a lot of what's good about them and gives them a bit more depth than just swinging around with lightsabers
If anyone has ever tried to read the original 1976 publication of George Lucas's book Star Wars then you'll know just how much more there was to this saga. The amount of scenes that didn't make it in is astonishing and I imagine the films would be even better with them.
A lot of the Mon Mothma intrigue is revisited in 'Andor'. Looks like nothing is truly discarded from the Star Wars universe, even the outtakes from the prequels.
Given the Andor series on Disney+ they could conceivably revisit the "birth of the rebellion" scene and work it into a kind of prologue for an episode of season 2... just a thought. Senator Mon Mothma having a flashback?
I do tend to watch Tosche Station between Rogue One and New Hope anyway
Attack of the Clones lost many scenes, some between Padmé & Ani, but the romance wouldn't feel so rushed if kept in
It would've been cool to have the founding of the Rebellion in Revenge of the Sith, and politics has always been part of Star Wars since Leia mentioned the Imperial Senate
That bit with the Commander was cool, now that James Earl Jones is retired from the role it's time to test that technology they've developed to keep Vader around
Not sure why that lightsaber scene was cut, James Earl Jones & Antony Daniels even finished their Automated Dialogue Replacement
All of those "boring" scenes that were cut from the prequels made their way into the fan edits, which ended up being far more enjoyable than the theatrical releases so I guess interest is in the eye of the beholder.
To me, the scenes with Biggs, the lightsaber scene in 6, and the rebellion origin scene are the three most important scenes that should have stayed in the movies.
At 06:28 I think that would have added to the "you killed my father" hatred of Vader and made the reveal all the more shocking.
At least it would not have been as awkward as the Lannister-like smooching that Leia and Luke seem to be getting up to, before she reveals to Han that they are really siblings.
Leia kisses Luke once, mostly to annoy Han, at a time when no one (including Lucas) knew they would turn out to be related. People make way too big of a deal out of it.
The political parts were a great background and showed how Palpatine came to power. Absolutely fine with it.
One scene that was missed and I think the most important, was the Last Jedi, Rey trying to save a village. It was the corner stone on why Luke let the jedi die.
The Star Wars Storybook included some of what had been cut in ANH, the Biggs scene in particular. This scene added a whole new dynamic to the story, explaining much.
The pilot knowing Anakin had a son may have been a problem but it would have been accounted for when the prequels were written. However, no one other than a few people knew Anakin became Vader so that wouldn't be an issue and doesn't imply that Lucas had not already decided this to be the case.
The cut-out "birth of the rebel alliance" scenes from ep.3 were unfortunate cuts... they set up, as you say, to show how the rebels came to be rebels and actually give Padme something to do other than simp around saying things like "Ani you're breaking my heart" and then dying from... ahem... a broken heart. Lucas had no idea what to do with her character other than to make sure she had Luke & Leia.
No mention of Obiwan giving Luke to his own brother Owen? (It's in the novel; don't know if the script was changed before filming.) That would have resulted in a change in the prequels. And he would have had to explain why Obiwan was Kenobi and Owen was Lars. I guess he still would have gone the half-brother route. Why didn't Owen and Beru raise Luke thinking he was their son?
Still not sure how Leia could remember anything of Padme. Unless the Organa's had pictures with her that Leia saw.
Kenobi explained that by implying she got that information from him. Not sure if it really suffices but that's the explanation.
I remember hearing, or reading, somewhere that Leah remembered Padme by using her latent use of the force. It was a clunky explanation, but it was the explanation I heard.
Half-brother Owen. Cliegg Lars marries Shmi, as his second wife. Owen is already in his teens or twenties, being from a previous marriage of Cliegg's.
If Disney would release Star Wars’ movies I - VI WITH ALL deleted scenes included, they would make a ton of money!
What is going on with this background music? It doesn't fit at all with the story of the video.
I've only ever seen part of the deleted Wampa scene, I would love to see the rest of it
Finn dropping Rose like a hot brick. Always makes me chuckle.
only psychopaths chuckle
Imagine shooting a whole scene in one of the greatest movies ever, a new hope, as an and being completely cut out of it. Happens all the time but that would really sting
One thing to note is that in Star Wars, the cutscenes are canon, unless they contradict the movie.
What changed everything.. Star Wars had already change decade by decade, and it still looks brilliant.
Interestingly enough, the sequence where Anakin and Obi-Wan are traipsing through the underbelly of Grevious's ship is in the Revenge of the Sith PS2 movie tie-in game.
I wouldn't have minded the politics if it was left in the prequels. Going in I understood what was going on, but people who weren't as steeped in Star Wars lore may not have.
That wompa made it into the N64 Shadow of the Empire game !!!
In revenge of the Sith, there was concept art for Anakin and Obi-Wan to fight a monster on Mustafar they cut that out of the final duel as well. It could’ve been the last time the Anakin and obi wan actually work together while it was their first duel together as well.
How was the Anakin and Obi-Wan communicating by hand signs silly? It shows how close they were and hiw they are such a good team.
Also it would be so cool if maybe one day either a fan made or future release of these movies could be extended versions that include the deleted scenes! Like lord of the rings!
According to the J.W. Rinzler Making of Star Wars books, Anakin and Darth Vader were originally separate people until well into the draft process of ESB in early 1979.
Great to see. Star Wars was my whole childhood. All this took me way back 😁
I believe that if the scenes involving Luke Skywalker and his friend had been included in A New Hope that Obi-Wan Kenobi's Force Ghost would have merely told Luke Skywalker that Darth Vader is actually the clone of Anakin Skywalker instead. So that is why he had the same aura as Luke's father, only that his becoming a Sith made him darkened.
Great video, it adds to the debate as to whether or not deleted scenes are canon or not.
Point 2, the founding of The Rebellion - this is a big part of Andor so I'm glad it was cut from Episode 3!!
There was no political nonsense in the prequels. It was world building. It shows how a democracy can become a dictatorship. It showed Palpatine’s rise to power and the downfall of the Republic
Inclusion of these scenes would not have changed anything. It just would have given a broader view of the story. I saw The Empire strikes back when it was originally released, & when Vader revealed that he was Luke"s father...THAT CHANGED EVERYTHING.
For some reason i remembers seeing the Scene with the Reunion when i watched the movie 18 years ago
@anonym7410 - Later it was cut out.
How would number 4 change anything? The Anakin/Vader connection could have been common knowledge purposely kept from Luke by Owen so he wouldn't run away and join the Empire, and the pilot didn't know he didn't know. He also seemed like he was in on the subterfuge because said he was a good man, but he didn't say "until Palpy got in his head"
The deleted ROTJ scenes are still in the novelization; along with something that would have changed things even *more* for the franchise. Obi-Wan refers to Owen as his brother, telling Luke that's why he left him with Owen. It completely changes the dynamic between Owen and Obi-Wan and the relationship between the Lars family and the Skywalkers; not to mention all the implications for prequel Jedi staying in touch with their families.
The opening of Return of the Jedi was great: they reintroduced the droids, then Chewie, then Leia and Han... and finally Luke, who they make as mysterious as possible. The cut scene would have been like putting a Gilmour solo in the first minute of a Pink Floyd song.
The only scene I regret not being included was the formation of the rebellion. While it might be "boring", the historical context is HUGE.
I wish they'd have included the scene that was supposed to be in The Force Awakens where they explain how exactly Anakin's lightsaber ended up in Maz Kanata's basement. I'm sure it was filmed but then cut for pacing and replaced with a lame line of dialogue about how that was a story for another time. That was filmed, wasn't it?
Wouldn't extended editions be so cool with some of those deleted scenes. Some fans would kill for them. 😏
Han: "Chewy? Ha- have *you* ever heard of a supreme leader Smoke?"
Stormtrooper: "Snoke!"
Han: "Yeah, that's what I said."
When they first filmed the big reveal scene in ESB. Vader said "You don't know the truth. Obi Wan KILLED your father." Which would've made Kenobi the villain of the series. But then they revised it, and reshot the film only with Mark Hamil/Luke to get the reaction to Vader/Father line.
I watched ROTJ in the cinema on first release, and I am sure the lightsabre construction scene was right there. I have been searching for it for years, and here it is.
There are the little snippets of film that hinted at the Darth JarJar plot line. That would have been wild.
Not ‘He’d oversaw’ - ‘He had overseen’ is correct!
I love the back stories of Biggs and Princess Leia in the old radio dramas
I’m glad these cut clips were still in the books
Asthmatic Cyborg? That's hilarious in and of itself!
I think the scenes featuring Biggs made it into the novelisation and also a radio serialization of the original film.
1:03 "Daaeethh Vader". Haha, I had a good chuckle there!
Tha scene between Luke, Biggs and Red Leader was in the movie at one point. I remember him saying he flew with his father.
While this was a great video,thank you for posting it by the way ! You forgot one of the most crazy deleted scenes in the entire original trilogy .....Boba Fett chasing the Ewok around the Death Star !
I can fully understand why you didn't add that as it would beg SO many questions !
Nice nautical reference here. An old salt can tell the speed of his ship from the feel of the deck, without looking at the gauges. It would be hard to apply that surface ship reference to a spaceship, of course. Nevertheless, it seems to fit in this beautiful scene of two reminiscing captains.
The Wampa Ice creatures look just like Ludo from Labyrinth!!!
The last three movies and Disney and all of their associated directors and producers are unforgivable.
Biggs talking to Luke on Yavin IV was partially restored in the Special Edition. It wasn't in the version I saw as a kid. IMO Lucas could have restored Red Leader having fought in the Clone Wars and heard of Anakin Skywalker, it's a giant galaxy with trillions of beings - him having passing knowledge of Anakin doesn't break canon and it isn't like Luke ever got the chance to ask any follow up questions because Red Leader didn't survive the battle.
I will never understand the whole "pacing" reasoning for removing scenes. I feel the scenes are short enough that yeah it may feel somewhat out of place, it almost always adds to the story.
It's not necessarily about the length, it's about interrupting the flow of the other scenes.
It's easy now, with the benefit of hindsight and having viewed the movies many times, to say what they should have done.
The Tosche Station scene was possibly also cut because leaving it in would have meant Biggs got through the Academy awfully fast to have already defected to the Rebellion by the time of Yavin IV.
Luke building his sabre with QuiGon’s kyber crystal should have been a bigger deal!
Fun…thanks. It’s interesting that Andor picked up the story of the early days of the rebellion plus illustrating, from the beginning, any rebel actions resulted in 90% losses to the rebels.
i disagree about the birth of the rebellion scenes. Padme was a great character that literally did nothing but be pregnant, be sad, and die in episode 3. those scenes should have stayed in
Toshe Station at least turned up in the Disney+ live action series with the characters that stayed being reprised.
There was also originally a long scene of Solo and Greedo yaking it up in the cantina with Solo’s girlfriend but thankfully it was cut.
I actually do believe that Lucas had not decided that Darth Vader was Luke's father when he shot ANH. Cutting against that theory is the closeness of "Vader" to "Vater", German for father. But there are several instances of dialogue where it seems that the later twist wasn't contemplated at the time.
In general I think all the cuts listed here were good. "This would have helped explain X" justifications don't cut it; it's better to leave it out and let the audience figure it out on their own.
I like the scene of Luke constructing his Lightsaber in Return of the Jedi. Another deleted scene I love(not in this video) is from Revenge of the Sith, with Yoda's arrival on Degobah. I don't see why either were cut. They're both only about 30 seconds each.
The wampa scene would have been epic. I wish they'd have included it!
Should be included in Special Features as part if DVD 📀🤔
I think the two Biggs Darklighter scenes would have added so much to the original movie.
You know what would have been great Star Wars Scenes? Replacing All of Episodes 1,2,3 as well as the entirety of Solo, Rouge One, Mando season 2+, Obi-wan and Asoka
Cutting Biggs is my greatest regret, the scenes filled in so many blanks.
#4 was added to A New Hope with the special edition in 1997...
It would be really interesting to see the deleted scenes from "Revenge of the Sith" used as flashback scenes in another season of "Andor" to show the foundation of the rebellion. I mean, you literally have younger footage of the actors involved. 🤷🏻♂️
I disagree with the older pilot knowing Anakin as a problem. It is not far fetched that very few people knew that Anakin was Darth Vader. Of course with the clone wars and prequel movies you can almost definitely say that. But even before they were conceived it still wouldn't be that big of an issue.