Throttle Controller tested on our dyno! Do they give your rig more power down low & less turbo lag?
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- Опубликовано: 31 май 2020
- We back-to-back test a very common throttle controller available on the market today, fitted to a manual GU Patrol on our dyno to show you the results.
Do they make more power & torque? Do they give you more response down low? What do they actually do, or what do they don't do? How do they "work"?
Plus, see how we do achieve much less turbo lag for this Patrol without the need for a throttle controller!
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Everyone knows they don't make more power but simply get better throttle response and they do it well. It's not just about mashing your foot down at all. Worth the money!
Most people that we talk to think that they DO increase the power. Hence this video.
They can't affect pedal response, they are upstream from the ECU
@@orangejuicepony6881 So what in hell do you reckon they do cos their main claim to fame is pedal response.
@@orangejuicepony6881 You should go to K mart man, I think their brains are on special.
Your video shows the comparison once the patrol is tuned. The comparison should have been on the stock patrol vs throttle controller for a true comparison.
Thank you. Have a Diablosport 93 tune, and was talking to Hemifever for exactly what your talking about. Definitely going for the tune👍
They definitely work. But if you are expecting more HP/TQ then.....no....they won't "work". They simply eliminate the delay between stabbing the gas pedal and the throttle body opening up. Which decreases reaction times.
Well explained and tested. Thanks ! Subscribe for sure !
Awesome, thank you!
Results speak for themselves!
Results are just tricking your car to think you've given it more throttle. Get a real performance tune is a better option.
Not really the result speak for themselves when you have actually felt it... not just numbers on paper
Its a cool way of defeating Torque management that's programed in the vehicles PCM
No it's not. The ECU will still manage the toque the same way.
So true
No one ever claimed it gave you more power, just instant response, which is what many of us are lacking. For less than 300 bones, you can't beat it. Well, let me rephrase that. I'm literally waiting on mine in the mail as I type this. From all other reviews, it is a magnificent product
It's in and working phenomenally. I'm sure it would be a little smoother in an auto, but overall it's very adjustable and you can definitely tell each click does something. Waxed an M6 with a 4th gear pull like it was taking candy from a baby
... you will be surprised at how many people we speak to think that they do give more power & torque. Hence why we did this video!
...full throttle will also wax the M6 mate, you have NO more power/torque/performance with a throttle controller. It's delivered quicker as those devices are multipliers - therefore putting your foot down does literally the same thing.
All these pedal boxes do is take away the delayed throtle respone and allow the throttle body to open sooner as your foot hits the gas pedal which gives the effect of more power.
Correct.
They don't give the car more power. They give the car its already available power SOONER. Rather than having to wait for it based upon the ECU's throttle response table. That is intentionally programmed into vehicles to meet fuel efficiency standards.
it really did help a lot by this way
Finally! A legit short sharp shiny explanation! Thank you! My car has an issue with slow response / lag with the foot mashed down so thank you for saving me $250! Time to look at other solutions for me.
Glad to help you out mate!
@Alfred Farrugia yes & your right foot on the accelerator pedal does the exact same thing too!
@@UltimateDieselTuning I disagree, mashing the pedal to the floor doesn't do the exact same thing. Yes you are correct (obviously) that there is no more power produced from the device.
With my car I would still have extreme lag with pedal to the floor, I installed the evcx and found the right setting (not too touchy) and it has all but got rid of any lag with using the accelerator normally.
It has better response than flooring the pedal in my experience.
@@jamiewatson5389 they do not reduce lag, they're a multiplier. The only way to reduce lag is to get it tuned, where you will actually achieve more power & torque & less turbo lag. And full throttle control.
@@UltimateDieselTuning I get how all you numbers work, but real world application they definitely make a difference with lag, more effectively than pushing my foot down. Maybe the signal it sends the ecu works faster than my foot, I don't know.
Either way everyone that owns one agrees they work to reduce lag, I also get the data you are showing us, but it works better than flooring the accelerator. Also who wants to floor their car everytime they use it to get results? Throttle controllers do work, but yes obviously a tune and the required mods to make the tune work to efficiency is better.
My 0-100 times improved by 10 % with the controller on a landcruiser 200, significantly better response which cannot be replicated by just stepping on the throttle more…best mod I’ve ever done.
Hi Paul, sorry it's actually impossible mate. 100% throttle is 100% throttle. Jamming your foot down does the same thing!
Same here, throttle controllers do exactly as they advertise and work better than just mashing your foot down.
My ranger has lost all it's lag. I think they are great. Car is much more responsive. I 100% recommend them.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Most people purchase this to eliminate throttle lag. Some manufacturers deliberately delay the throttle to meet emission tests. Some purchase this because there are anti-theft functions to disable the throttle as well. Most people are aware that this mod will not increase horsepower.
@@bwedges in our experience, a large number of people think that they make more power & torque, hence why we made this video.
what year was the patrol
Ask yourself mate. Throttle controller does not increase power. But more on responsiveness it will response more thats why. Its like a sports mode on other vehicle.
No they don't respond better as in reduce turbo lag & improve actual response. The dyno proves that. They are just a multiplier mate!
@@UltimateDieselTuning But that's exactly what he said. Pressing pedal to the metal takes some time. I wouldn't call it pedal lag. Some luxurious cars have slower rate and some have actual lag. You didn't showed how fast was the pedal pressed. The graph should be more steep at the start. And you did only one run from both. Better test would be high speed camera showing when the pedal is touched and when the wheels start spinning.
@@kaeji_namitsua both runs were done at wide open throttle on our dyno.
@@kaeji_namitsua Don't bother trying to explain it mate. They're just trying to drum up more business for their company and of course they're going to bag everything positive someone says about throttle controllers.
Try “e mode”. OR “Economy Mode “ when off roading. It dampens the throttle. So good, i use this mode on my 10 acres especially on the wet grass to stop wheel spin.
I think the benefits of the idrive are there. I found it very handy towing and offroad. Definitely a good tool to have on your car. I own a 4wd i aint drag racing.
Throttle controllers aren't about more power. Throttle controllers are about being able to tune your throttle response for any situation. You can ramp it up for towing and everyday driving or you can dampen it off for offroad driving and low traction situations.
Hey Daniel! And you can also replicate that by changing your driving style mate! And you would he surprised with how many customers we get come through that end up getting us to tune their vehicle for them instead of a throttle controller. Simply because they think that a throttle controller does give more power & torque plus less turbo lag. A throttle controller does not achieve any of those things, whereas a custom dyno tune will 👍
@@UltimateDieselTuning I've tried replicating what a throttle controller does with my foot, it's just not possible. My foot can not speed up or slow down the actuation of my throttle or introduce new throttle parameters.
Dont get me wrong tunes are a great option, more power and more torque are fantastic things. But throttle controllers also have their place and are an awesome addition to any vehicle with an electronic throttle system.
@@danbaz6906 we totally disagree sorry Daniel! But that's ok.
@@UltimateDieselTuning lmaooo
@@danbaz6906 Absolutely spot on mate. Nobody in their right mind believes they give more power. Smashing your foot down on the pedal is nothing even close to what the TC does.
would the controller have any effect on the throttle hanging when changing gear?
no
I just got a Ranger 2.2L manual and I've noticed big lag when going up gears on a hill, I'm keen to get one of the Torqit throttle controllers. Additionally, I'm looking at getting one of their power modules but what will be the best bang for buck out of the module or a tune? The modules are roughly $1300,
Cheers
Hi there. We are cheaper than both of those combined & we provide a much better & fully customised service as well... Take a look at this video that we did on this topic:
ruclips.net/video/XijRwGihAzc/видео.html
I installed a cheap Chinese Throttle Controller cost at 37.00 US Dollar in my 2014 Ford Ranger XLT 2.2l Manual transmission 4x2 (asian version). Boy, I will never ride my ranger without a controller. Even though it does not added power in theory, in actual driving it actually does better because when climbing a steep hill slowly you won't get short and stall even if you are in 3rd gear or 2nd gear. Unlike if without a controller I have to put it on 1st gear because 2nd gear kinda starts to choke even if you floor the pedal the car won't respond and starts to stall already at 2nd gear.
The controller is like a magic kit, trust me. The name I bought is 9 Drive, 37 dollar.. yes it's a 37 bucks and it works great as any 250 dollar controller. it has Economy mode level 1-9, Normal Mode, P1-9, Sports Mode 1-9 levels, Race Mode with another 1 up to 9 levels..
Yes Beth, and you can control that with your driving style as well. They are like a placebo effect.
Where did u buy it from?
@UltimateDieselTuning it sounds like he just explained otherwise
@@mikey13b Lazada. It's like our Ebay or Amazon here in the Philippines.
Does the fuel economy stay the same, decrease or improve? Especially for highway cruising.
These controllers allow the throttle body to open up 100% faster. If you don't alter your driving habits to accommodate for this then you will LOSE MPG. That's the point of the lag. The lag is intentionally programmed into these cars to allow the cars to meet fuel standards. This is the case for MOST parts people remove and replace. The OEM parts and programming are designed to balance performance and fuel standards. The throttle tables are no different.
The most common throttle controller (EVC) doesn’t claim to increase power (from what I know), their products do exactly as they are advertised. Although there may be ways to “replicate” what these do, for personal preference I would still purchase them rather than trying to alter my driving style which I would need to change every time there are different driving conditions e.g. towing, off-road etc, which I could just rather change with a few buttons using a controller. Again, this is personal preference and from the looks of these other comments, most people agree
Edit: I’ve seen a few comments from you simply saying it’s a multiplier. Once again, I don’t see a problem with this tbh, as these controllers still work exactly how people want them to (apart from the misinformation spread such as gains in power which clearly hasn’t been marketed). Unfortunately the replies from this channel to the viewers comments are showing a very established opinion with no optimism or allowing for constructive criticism
You are right, they haven't marketed them as increasing power or torque, but most people THINK that they do. Hence this video :)
@@UltimateDieselTuning fair enough, there is definitely a lot of rumours and assumptions about these throttle controllers that unfortunately leads to people being misinformed 👍
@@johnsmith04 yep thats exactly right John (y)
throttle controllers cause problems down the track to the computer. I had to unplug mine on a 3.2 Wildtrak. I went to Ford with the engine fault light coming on. They plugged in their scanner and asked if I had introduced any electronic device.I said I fitted a throttle controller. They unplugged it and the problem was fixed. They also said that it can also void warranty. Yes they do give a quicker response on the throttle/
OK... but do throttle controllers help with throttle lag? For example when you Slam your gas pedal to the floor and there is a 1-2 second delay before the power hits,
Yes & putting your foot down faster & further onto the accelerator pedal will do that too. Minus a split second.
Yeah see I've wondered this. On old cable throttle bodies you can drive along and rev the tune to happy birthday its so responsive. Even on tuned modern cars you can't do this there's always lag between the throttle input and throttle body response.
Never used a throttle controller but I figured they actually remove that ramping effect new throttles do where it delays input to the throttle body
I love my throttle controller. Its just a cheaper way to go. Cost me 260 remapping ecu starts at 800 and can go to 2 grand. I'll stick with my controller for now.
Throttle controllers & custom dyno tuning are two completely different things & are not to be compared. One doesn't give you more power or torque (the throttle controller), & one does (the custom dyno tune). Also, a good custom dyno tune that is done properly, is a fair bit more than $800.
A throttle controller just improves the throttle response to how it is like for vehicles that use the accelerator cable system. If you are used to taking off from a standstill with a vehicle that has an accelerator cable system, you will know that some fly by wire systems really really suck when trying to take off without revving or when slowing down for just a little while and then trying to accelerate again on the same gear. Using the throttle controller eliminates this lag making the vehicle feel like it uses a traditional accelerator cable.
If you are looking for power and torque this is not for you. If you want a better throttle response then it is highly recommended
Yes, Tammy. And adjusting your driving style does almost the same thing too :) The biggest misconception with them is that people think that they improve turbo lag & add more power & torque, but they do not in the real world. Hence why we did this video to demonstrate that.
Hey, I don't want to change my driving style. If I try to replicate what TC does with my foot, I would be tired after a few minutes. So, TC is worth... it seems dyno tune+TC is way to go
Exactly, this is what many people fail to understand. Mashing your foot using large exaggerated throttle changes is a really bad way to drive, and especially so if you have a manual and you are having to pop the clutch it's not black and white as just push the throttle harder.
@@Haywoodjablomie100 correct
Great vid-Thanks for the explanation
No problem 👍
I have had afew throttle controllers on various cars and also know alot of people that have them.They increase the throttle responce alot.it is a must buy if you are a car guy/girl.it doesnt increase power yet in all my cars it spins the tyres when it never used to.try it and see the massive difference.They work full stop!
and simply by changing your driving style you will achieve the same effect mate! Try putting your foot flat to the floor from a standing start & you'll spin the tyres too. Please understand how they work :)
@@UltimateDieselTuning if i slam my foot down in my 2012 triton. the car doesnt move. so much lag. i have to be gentle. im sure a throttle controller will be much more responsive.
@@slaw38 a custom dyno tune will get rid of that lag mate. For example, right down in the rev-range we should achieve for you 40-50% more torque or more! Whereas a throttle controller will not achieve any more power or torque for your MN.
Yes it just allows you to optimize the power not gain it
and you can also optimise the power (if you want to call it that) with your accelerator pedal & your right foot too :)
Which throttle control did you use
We have disclosed that information. It's a very common one here in Aus. But they are all much of a muchness!
Jesus Christ since when they said they increase power 🤦🏻♂️they increase your throttle response
People think that they improve performance and increase power. They do not market them as increasing power yet people still think that they do.q
Heaps of people say they get rid of lag and have more low down power. I'm currently having an argument with idiots on Facebook right now about it
Just got mine in. I’m expected good results to show the most when I’m cruising at 30-40mph and need to give it gas. Get rid of the lag and “bogged down” feeling.
David, putting your foot further down on the accelerator pedal does the same thing mate.
Lol
@@UltimateDieselTuning had it installed over a week now. In theory, yes. But it works great and is definitely better than simply pushing the pedal down further. Amazing product
@@UltimateDieselTuning it's not the same, with a throttle controller you are getting to your peak torque quicker, so you accelerate quicker. Maybe some cars that have a fairly good throttle response to begin with don't see much difference with a TC but they will definitely give you a better take off if you have poor throttle response to begin with. I agree they won't give you more torque or power but you will take off quicker. If you reduce the response like putting the controller in eco mode you plant your foot to the floor it will take a lot longer to get going to a decent speed.
@Paul Leiper unless you're bloody slow there's stuff all difference between slamming your foot down and what a throttle controller does. Eco mode I'm assuming does the opposite and winds the power on slowly.
I purchased a throttle control for my 2022 STX 5.0. Tunes are not available and I purchased the extended warranty for my truck. I understand the limitations of the device but it should correct one of my biggest complaints about the truck. I always find myself wishing I had the throttle response of sport mode in normal mode. This should allow me to have the throttle response I want and not need to drive in sport mode all the time. Sport mode is fine for the most part but the gear holding can get a little annoying sometimes. This should give me the throttle response I want in normal mode without the gear holding of sport mode.
Just changing your driving style will do the same thing. Is that an F150 that you have?
@@UltimateDieselTuning yes it’s a truck I bought about 2 months ago. I don’t see how driving style can overcome a lag built into the system. Sometimes I find myself trying to give it more throttle and it just doesn’t respond the way I feel it should. Unless I’m gonna floor it every time. I flip to sport mode and the lag is gone.
@@anthonywood4894 yes, so just putting your foot down is doing the same thing as your throttle controller does.
@@anthonywood4894 its not a truck mate its a ute haha
@@UltimateDieselTuning it would have been better to do the test as a stock vehicle then do the throttle controller and then do the remap cause as you said you can adjust the throttle response when you do the remap so how are we to know that you haven't done that to make it seem like it's obsolete
throttle controllers are never sold as an item to gain power . you have to ask yourself why they sell thousands .
That's because people think that they minimise lag. But there is no increase in power & torque down low in the revrange where lag is evident. No increase in turbo boost pressure to help lag. Changing your driving style has the same affect as a throttle controller does.
@@UltimateDieselTuning it depends on the vehicles. I have a gen 3 Tacoma, the throttle response is so bad. When I floor it, it takes couple seconds before increasing rpm.
@@UltimateDieselTuning
Hai there. Can u please elaborate more on your comment that u just have to change your driving style to enjoy the same positive effect of a throttle controller. What changes to driving style do u mean, for instance, flooring the pedal more aggresively?
@@hasnulmaizan1867 put your foot down further & faster on the pedal mate. These gadgets are multipliers.
@@UltimateDieselTuning I tell people to put a block of wood on their accelerator....
Some throttle controller claims on fuel saving up to 15%, is it true though?
We would highly doubt it. Considering that it is fooling the ECU into thinking that your foot is further down on the accelerator than it actually is. So generally, you would think that you would use MORE fuel.
@@UltimateDieselTuning If you run your throttle controller in Economy mode then it will actually reduce your acceleration from stock and hence save you fuel by essentially slowing you down.
Its a backwards concept in my opinion but may be helpful if you are an absolute lead foot.
Also useful for technical 4wd tracks where smooth throttle control is key.
@Lee Dudley Not sure what E mode is, but it can all be controlled by your right foot on the accelerator pedal without one of these devices.
@Lee Dudley there are several different throttle controller devices available, all with their own "modes". And all of these modes can be replicated almost perfectly by yourself by changing your driving style & how you apply the throttle via your foot, without the need for such a device. Whereas a custom dyno tune will actually achieve for you a lot more power, a lot more torque, a lot less turbo lag, a lot better engine response, an improvement in fuel economy, and better throttle control. In our instance, we tune every vehicle individually, depending on the owner's driving style & goals for the tune, as well as what the vehicle is used for. For further information, feel free to call us on 1800034373. Cheers.
@Lee Dudley The point of this video is to prove that they don't make your engine produce any more power or torque. A tune & one of these devices are like chalk & cheese. With our tuning, you tell us what you want & that is how we will tune it for you.
I installed a Hikeit throttle controller on my 2007 Gu Patrol, it didn't remove the lag, but the Patrol is MUCH smoother!
The turbo also punches much harder, but that seems a mute point as its the lag leading to the turbo we want gone.
That being said, the Patrol now feels like a car and not a truck.
I would definitely recommend it, best money I spent on the car.
Hey mate. The turbo appears to punch harder, simply because the ECU thinks your foot is down on the accelerator pedal than it really is. Thats it. Putting your foot down further & quicker on take off does the exact same thing.
I know my diesel focus has a ton of restriction in 1st and 2nd gear and with my throttle controller it removes the restriction it's definitely faster. A Dyno test in 3rd or 4th gear won't show this
Robert, it only appears to be "faster" because the ECU thinks that your foot is down further on the accelerator pedal than it really is. That's all they do. It does not have any extra power or less turbo lag. If you want to actually get rid of that turbo lag/restriction down low that you are talking about, then a custom dyno tune will do this for you, not a throttle controller.
@@UltimateDieselTuning so are you saying if you Dyno all the gears that a stock graph will mirror a throttle controller graph? I'd like to see that!
@@robertburn8705 yes Robert. Understand how they work mate. No more power, no more torque, no change to the turbo to lessen the turbo lag.
@@UltimateDieselTuning if my engine can spin up faster over the same amount of time I would say that yes in the lower gears it has more power don't forget one of the factors in calculating hp is time
@@robertburn8705 it's the same affect as putting your foot down mate. Therefore NO more power or torque down low is achieved, no less actual turbo lag is achieved. Less throttle lag is achieved, which is why they appear to make the car go better - and this can also be almost perfectly replicated by using your right foot too. Please give us a call on 1800034373 if you would like to know more about these devices.
@Ultimate Diesel Tuning great video.
I think there are 2 points here. Your video addresses the no extra power, turbo lag, etc point but the other 1 is reaction time. Can reaction time be shown on a dyno?
What I mean is say 1 throttle had 1 min lag (extreme example) and another was instant, your dyno would still read the same and show the same graph wouldn't it?
Therefore we need a video to show the time between 100% throttle and the engine showing a reading for both with & without a throttle controller. This would show if they reduce lag.
The lag is referred to in the torque down low. There is absolutely no difference in turbo lag in real time with a throttle controller installed. 100% throttle is 100% throttle, you cannot go over that.
As soon as i saw the channel name and you sell remaps i knew the video would be critical of throttle controllers without watching a second of it. Yep i was spot on!
Hey mate. Yeah you cannot compare them - they are like chalk & cheese. A throttle controller doesn't give more power & torque & any less turbo lag in the real world, whereas a cuwstom dyno tune does.
@@UltimateDieselTuning It definitely gives better throttle response in my 4wd, and i saw a reduction in fuel consumption by 0.8L/100 plus made it much better to drive. You can also dull the throttle response offroad. Dont like the idea of something i cant reverse, tunes, extracting more power, too many cracked pistons with my vehicle.
@@Haywoodjablomie100 cracked pistons can & do happen to them standard; you can most certainly reverse a tune/wipe it; most vehicles after a custom dyno tune enjoy a 10-15% improvement in fuel economy, so around 2-3 litres per 100 & we adjust the throttle control according to how you drive it/what you use your vehicle for. Enjoy your device mate, cheers :)
Doesnt say in the video what setting the throttle controller was sitting on. But for me. Ultimate 4 or 5 is a vast increase. Economy and off doesnt drive near the same. Much better acceleration and less lag with it set on ultimate 4 or 5. Well in my old ML Triton anyhow. Can speak for newer stuff. And mine is untuned. So id expect thw tune to be way better thwn a throttlw controller.
It doesn't matter which setting is on - there is zero actual increases in power or torque with one of these. There is also no less turbo lag, at all! It feels like it's going better, simply because the ECU thinks your foot is down further on the throttle pedal than it actually is.
I have had a remap on my colorado yes the remap giver more power no questions about it
but this is not what say a (idrive) was designed for
I’m telling you right now my idrive gives me much less lag on setting u9 than my remap
The idrive gets me up to speed much faster
I know you guys do a great job doing remapping with great results
But be honest do a power run with a idrive on u9 and remap
Then do a power run with the remap only then look at the curves
The curve with idrive will be quicker
Not more power but quicker
Hi Robert. Unfortunately throttle controllers do not give you less turbo lag or engine lag. They only give less THROTTLE lag, which can also be almost perfectly replicated by changing your driving style. They do not make the engine more responsive or give it more power down low. Cheers!
Exactly my thoughts too
Lol how will the torque curve change? You're changing the linearity of the throttle. It removes the ramping effect of a factory throttle so when you go 100% on the throttle the time between pedal press and the throttle body butterfly opening essentially making it a cable throttle. But it also reduces pedal clarity it's like you lose pedal range.
Dyno power runs are done at 100% throttle the speed at which the throttle is applied isn't going to change the torque curve lol the only way to change the torque curve is by physically changing the engine and or bolt on mods. God people are dumb.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Hmmm pretty sure they do make the vehicle more responsive...or all else all those that love them must be in some mass hypnosis induced by the company that makes them.
@@khrome69 absolutely - it's like a placebo affect
Yeah, crazy how many people buy these gadgets. Whatever happened with using your foot to control your accelerator?
Exactly mate!
It has a dampening mode which is ideal for off road. For example on a wet grass hill where you would normally spin you definitely have more control over the throttle , now my gf doesnt tell me off for ripping up her lawn. My car hasnt got crawl mode, not sure how that works but i would call it crawl mode…..I also found towing a van much better with the idrive in auto mode.
Does it harm your breaks life?
No?
If there was just a simple device that removed any significant communication delay (latency) between the throttle pedal and the throttle actuator then this would be all that is needed. These throttle controllers and their many different settings just reduce the amount of pedal travel needed to get to 80/90/100% throttle. Total placebo effect in a small box. Again, if the drive by wire pedals behaved like an old school cable throttle with absolutely no delay (latency) then driving style would be all that is needed to change
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Perfect video. I was so confused reading all the reviews how it would be possible.
Seems like people are just scared of flooring their accelerator so they need a little box to do it for them.
Ever driven a Toyota Yaris (slow one)? The throttle is mapped so aggressively it feels like it's got plenty of power, but the engine is pretty much at full throttle at only 50% pedal application.
Hey Luke, yes all it takes is adjusting your driving style for almost the same effect. No I haven't driven a base model Yaris before, but yep, that's what we are talking about!
It’s more for cars which have adjustable suspension and driving modes which are connected and don’t have the custom mode. The nice soft suspension settings have crappy soft throttle response. BMW let you set the ride comfort and engine control separately, so you can have the nice soft ride with quicker throttle response, which Lexus don’t have.
Guess I wont get a Frottle controller .
Get one! It's the best mod I've gotten.
throttle controllers like idrive don't claim to increase power but what they do is give a better throttle response, so if you press your throttle to 25% it wont cause the ecu to think that you have the applied 70% throttle but what it will is change the codes being sent to the ecu so you can achieve your 25% much quicker. not increasing power but improving throttle response.
And that's our point. You can almost perfectly replicate that effect by changing your driving style & pushing your foot down further & quicker on the throttle pedal.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Good vid guys, thats the only point i disagree with you cant just put your foot to the floor and get the same result as a throttle controller would give you because the pedal has got set parameters that will only give you the result that is built into it. A throttle controller is the only way to override the parameters that are set from factory. "so simply changing your driving style with more pedal pressure on take off " will not have the same effect as with a throttle controller fitted.
@@louismccully5411 have you tried to do that mate? You will be surprised. It's like the PWR button in an N80 Hilux - they do the same thing. So turn it off, put your foot down flat fast & it will feel the same as with the PWR button on.
@@UltimateDieselTuning thanks for the reply, not all vehicles have a pwr button, maby check out this it's only a min long
@@louismccully5411 the PWR buttons are throttle controllers Louis. The point of this video is to PROVE that they do not provide actual gains in power or torque, or increase the engine's performance - they do not increase turbo boost down low to minimise turbo lag. All of that is done via custom dyno tune, not a throttle controller. A lot of people think that they do increase the performance but they don't. All they do is just recalibrate the throttle settings of the car - they trick the ECU into thinking that you have applied more throttle input than you actually have. The response provided by one can be perfectly replicated by pushing the accelerator pedal further, minus the almost imperceptible time it takes to move the pedal a bit more. Fitment of one will simply increase the voltage from the throttle input in the ECU. So, it will still have the maximum 4.5Volt input to the ECU, it's just that a throttle controller will tell the ECU "4.5Volts" at a smaller throttle input (less pressure on the accelerator pedal). In standard form, 100% throttle is 4.5volts, so quite simply having your foot at 100% throttle (foot to the floor) achieves the same output in both cases. Therefore, a throttle controller simply tricks your brain - you are only slightly pressing the throttle & the car is seemingly "going like the clappers", simply because the controller has increased the signal to the ECU - that's all that happens. By altering the relationship between your foot & your brain, you have a perceived gain, less lag etc, but it's really just the fact that the car is going better than expected because you have had to move your foot as much on the accelerator pedal. So, in other words - all you have to do is put your foot further down on the accelerator pedal for the same effect.
So...
Throttle control is like wearing lead boots.
Haha yes, 100%
It definitely increased my gas consumption.
we can see why it would!
throttle controllers are not for more power its for adjustable throttle response
Got to disagree with you mate. My E55 is getting constant 1/2 second 0 to 100 improvement!
OK. Not sure which "accurate" way of measuring your 0 to 100 is? But, education time... See the dyno graph in this video? That was done with FULL THROTTLE (foot straight to the floor) with the throttle controller on & off. As you can see on the graph, there is absolutely zero difference to power or torque or turbo lag. Meaning, zero performance is added by these devices in the real world. One will not get you to 100kph quicker.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Your wrong.Surely it will depend on what vehicle you are installing it on? My car is neither diesel or turbo!
@@mikimoto99 no. You need to understand how these devices "work". They do not improve power or torque, they do not lessen turbo lag or improve engine response - for any vehicle. So due to all of this, they do not give you a quicker 0-100 time, at all. Cheers mate.
@@UltimateDieselTuning Education time! You should know that Mercedes are notorious for a slight lag when you floor it! This controller does away with that lag, hence getting up to speed quicker! No use arguing with you if you dont understand that.
@@mikimoto99 enjoy your your device mate.
Instant throttle is still a win when your car is used for burnouts/drifting or any form of racing. If shops reduced the prices a little things like this would take off at all. Hundreds just to load a program to an ecu is silly. Especially when it’s possible to re map it yourself if you have the time to learn.
Hi mate. We definitely do not just load a program into the ECUs, that's not ideal & not a good way to go about it. Please see one of our earlier videos on our custom dyno tuning process so that you understand. Thanks!
I find it funny all the people that defend throttle controllers. You have all been duped into buying something that is a total waste of money. Just put your foot down harder. It's as simple as that.
Some people enjoy the feeling of it being more responsive and having more control over the car
Hilarious i had my car tuned, then later fitted an EVC throttle controller. It's NIGHT and DAY using the throttle controller. It's IMPOSSIBLE To match the throttle controllers throttle sensitivity with your foot alone with a stock set up.
hmm so your tuner was not able to eliminate the throttle delay?
... you should have achieved a massive reduction in turbo lag with your tune, plus full throttle control/much less throttle delay. So much so that you wouldn't be considering one of these devices!
You are referring to this device as a throttle controller. Is this correct ?
Or are you testing a Throttle Response Controller ?
A Throttle Response Controller only does what is says. Changes the response time.
It does not change the position of the throttle body valve in connection to the throttle pedal, 0 =0, 25%=25%, 50%=50% and so forth. It changes ONLY the response time NOT the position !
using these throttle controllers, the idea is that if you press the throttle to let's say 25% it won't make the ECU think that you have the applied 70% throttle, instead it should make the throttle open up to 25% like requested, but do it a lot quicker, eliminating the delay thus eliminating throttle lag.
This faster throttle valve actuation to the specified value cannot be achieved by just having a heavier foot like you suggest.
Also, this would invalidate your claim that these devices are simple signal multipliers.
How do they actually work? no idea, i would assume there is a throttle map in the ECU, which determines how fast the throttle opens, but these throttle controllers only modify the signals from the pedal and don't modify the throttle map. But a lot of people say the improvement in responsiveness is noticeable and worth it.
There is a nice demo on YT by sprint booster, which tries to visualise how it works, although it's not shown on a real car, so who knows if that's what's actually happening.
ruclips.net/video/1EkDzsSqRg4/видео.html
That’s not what throttle controllers are for….
You'd have a more enjoyable time beating your head against a brick wall than trying to explain what a throttle controller is to these people 🤦♂️
I've been saying this for years to people, it just manipulates the voltage to make the ecu think your foot is pressing the accelerator further than you actually are. I think % are too hard for these people. If you push the pedal 1cm the controller tells the ecu it's 1.5cm, that's it! Nothing more, nothing less, that's all it does. Any performance gain is purely a placebo effect because your brain says I'm only pressing it lightly and the car is accelerating so much faster cause the throttle controller is pressing the pedal further down for you 🤷♂️
I swear someone will come out with those rare earth magnet things to go on fuel lines again and the same people that think a throttle controller gives their car more power will be raving about realigning fuel ions for getting 20% more power.
People have access to an entire world of real, tested, and verified information in their pocket and they're still believing a throttle controller is breaking the laws of physics, if this is the sign we've peaked as a species we're so fucked lol
You could hook the fucker up to an oscilloscope and show these monkeys that they don't do anything except create a placebo effect but lets face it, monkeys will be monkeys. No matter how much you prove it to them they are still too stupid to understand the difference between perception and reality. And as for a species, well give them a choice of two genders and they get confused nowadays so yeah, we're fucked! 😆
Lol this is gonna disappoint a lot of people 😂 too many people think idrives and other throttle controllers actually do something to the performance 🤦♂️
They do. ruclips.net/video/KbKIjZjc6dE/видео.html
iDRIVE you’re full of it. Watch that whole video, it literally has the same result as this. It only made more power when he limited the pedal travel to only around 10% of factory. That’s where your gimmick works. It shortens the amount of pedal used to achieve WOT. Clearly you guys at idrive are a part of the sheep who think they increase performance. This video here is proof that it doesn’t do shit that you couldn’t do yourself with adjusting your driving style.
@Anthony Gates throttle lag YES, turbo lag NO. Throttle lag is also controlled with your accelerator pedal mate.
There's more to it than just throttle % pressed. Many cars 'ramp' up the throttle signal electronically to make it smoother, more comfortable or more economical. The throttle controller removes this and so acceleration is quicker, even though there is no more power.
@@scotthunkin4351 which you can also do with changing your driving style mate.
It’s not supposed to give you more power and torque. It gives you better throttle response, which means you put down the power sooner you’re just trying to drum up business for your tunes, which is OK because tunes are legitimate but you should not. Discredit others do you know better?
No, you do not put down the power sooner. It's just the feeling that it does, but in the real world it doesn't. Most customers that we deal with think that they do this, when they do not improve the engine's power or torque, they do not bring the "power on sooner" and they do not reduce turbo lag.
Hence why we did this video.
Thanks $300 for nothing
Dyno run is pointless. They control throttle response....your video seems more than a bit disingenuous.
Hey Greg - the whole point of this video is to prove that in the real world, they do not give a car anymore power or torque or any less turbo lag. And we used a dyno to prove that. It's the biggest misconception about these devices.
@@UltimateDieselTuning I'm well aware of what they do....which is why your video was pointless.
@@gregnagy7569 so you are well aware they do nothing.... Congratulations.