0:29 First form cell was introduced after the androids but was weaker before absorbing humans. Golden Frieza was terrified of beerus (the previous villain). 4/5 of the universe 6 team was weaker than golden Frieza. 95% of the tournament of power was weaker than Fused zamasu. Oh and can’t forget kid buu being weaker than buuhan, probably the best example lol
@@The_Irish_Man his entire argument is grasping at straws, he cherry picks who he debates and all his points are either fraudulent, misleading or just directly lying. He won’t ever respond to anyone who’s actually watched or read the source material, because he himself has not.
were talking about the main villain in TOP and its jiren. jiren is stronger then fused zamasu.and he literly gives soo many exampels why kid buu is stronger then all other boos. and the main villain in cell saga was perfect cell. and beerus in not a villain idc what you say he was just trying to find ssg and wanted to fight him.
Man this video is not making a good case to argue Kid Buu is the strongest, I can debate it if you want but uh I feel like it’s unnecessary if you use basic power scaling rather than statements from a notoriously poorly written and inconsistent arc.
@@monki7096 The arc is extremely inconsistent, a lot of the writing is flimsy at best. Statements play a part in power scaling, but the statements he used are grasping at straws. The data book he uses is an Anime data book, it doesn’t apply to the Manga in any general way. his points of “his chi is growing” literally have nothing to do with Buuhan or any other versions of Absorbent Super Buu, they’re correlating to the battered and powerless Buu seen after Vegito shits on him. Any statement of him being the “toughest” literally has no actual validity to the strength of the characters and is directly contradicted in panels he either neglected to show or entirely misquoted, Goku himself entirely talks about not even being able to touch Buuhan and is confident he could take on Kid Buu at full throttle. He goes on and on stating either blatantly wrong things, misquoting, or saying ignorant things entirely proving he didn’t read the content he claims he did.
@jahaba12296 as to his ki is growing that's a good and valid point, as Toriyama himself states the more ki one has the more powerful they are. And super buu after being separated from fat buu had a power increase rather than a drop in power, which backs up the statements from the Old Kai, his power was tamed after absorbing the kais, which tells us his power decreased back then. Imo, kid Buu and Buuhan would be more relative in power, but the fact Kid Buu would be the most difficult, to me shows he's also more powerful. Buuhan who is still evil, and supposed to have more power, should be the most difficult wouldn't you think? Also there are no statements in the manga that outright state Gohan surpassed Goku in power, same for Gotenks. While Goku and Vegeta where in buus mind, they stated they couldn't beat buu as he currently is, they were microscopic at that moment, and their power didn't scale the same. Goku did state if at full power, he may win, however he comments after that potora was necessary, and he was only acting cool. While Goku tells Vegeta that Buuhan can only be stopped with fusion, he ultimately admits the same about Kid Buu, that fusion is necessary. And with Toriyamas statement that the largest are not always the strongest, like freiza and Buu. Other little hints too in DBS, Goku image trains and imagines fighting the final most powerful forms and he envision Kid buu rather than Buuhan. As per the anime Kid Buu is flat out the most powerful. Not only with Gokus statements in the video, and even by the narrator. In the Anime, it's Super Saiyan Goku(or SS2) that defeats a copy of Ultimate Gohan in Buus mind, which is stated tonhave Gohans power, and also stated in guides. Other guides state that Kid Buu has greater power, skill, speed, and abilities compared to all the previous buu.
@@jahaba12296this particular response is head Canon, but my own personal theory. Goku and Vegeta after fusing, got stronger. I personally believe there is some sort of power increase post fusion. My reasons are because of the fusion amp. Not only is fusion fighter A x fighter B, plus a fusion amp. So when they split, I believe they retain, and split that amp between the 2. Similar with DBS when they refused Goku being able to fight on par with Merged Zamasu by keeping ssb at 100% to me doesn't make too much sense unless Goku got stronger after fusion. But again that's just my theory on why Gokus power is inconsistent in the arc
@@rafi_sensei5421 As I stated in my response prior, Buu’s “Ki Growing” isn’t relative to Buuhan literally AT ALL, it’s a statement made after Buu was seperated from all of the people he fused and was battered around, at by far his weakest outside of Fat Buu. Difficult does not equate to Power at all, Kid Buu being more difficult is a statement to point out the length of the actions he takes rather than any comparison of actual Power. Ultimate Gohan is not only stronger than Goku, but so unimaginably stronger that he was literally mistaken for Goku before even fully powering up, and feats support this. Goku was unable to kill fat Buu, but rather by time, Gohan was not only DESTROYING the stronger version of Buu, but was having fun while doing so. Gotenks and Gohan are the only ones relative using their performances against Buu, and even then Gotenks is undebatably stronger than Goku at that point in every regard. Goku and Vegeta being microscopic has nothing to do with them being unable to beat Buu, they had to strip him of his absorptions, that’s literally the entire point of that sequence. In the Anime, Kid Buu is confirmed to be stronger, but that’s an entirely different continuity to the Canon Material. Manga Guide books outright state Buuhan to be the ultimate majin and the strongest he’s been. And Goku image fighting Kid Buu rather than Buuhan is explained within the context of the story very easily, he didn’t bother trying against Buuhan because he knew he would’ve lost and thus had no ability to gauge his full power in image training. SSJ3 Goku < Gotenks Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks Ultimate Gohan > Kid Buu Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan Buuhan > Buutenks It’s very simple scaling.
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0:29 First form cell was introduced after the androids but was weaker before absorbing humans. Golden Frieza was terrified of beerus (the previous villain). 4/5 of the universe 6 team was weaker than golden Frieza. 95% of the tournament of power was weaker than Fused zamasu. Oh and can’t forget kid buu being weaker than buuhan, probably the best example lol
@@The_Irish_Man his entire argument is grasping at straws, he cherry picks who he debates and all his points are either fraudulent, misleading or just directly lying.
He won’t ever respond to anyone who’s actually watched or read the source material, because he himself has not.
were talking about the main villain in TOP and its jiren. jiren is stronger then fused zamasu.and he literly gives soo many exampels why kid buu is stronger then all other boos. and the main villain in cell saga was perfect cell. and beerus in not a villain idc what you say he was just trying to find ssg and wanted to fight him.
He said himself he was lazy that’s why he didn’t want to do the manga one of the reasons
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Man this video is not making a good case to argue Kid Buu is the strongest, I can debate it if you want but uh I feel like it’s unnecessary if you use basic power scaling rather than statements from a notoriously poorly written and inconsistent arc.
Statements are part of basic scaling so don’t know what you mean by that and the arc isn’t inconsistent
@@monki7096 The arc is extremely inconsistent, a lot of the writing is flimsy at best.
Statements play a part in power scaling, but the statements he used are grasping at straws.
The data book he uses is an Anime data book, it doesn’t apply to the Manga in any general way.
his points of “his chi is growing” literally have nothing to do with Buuhan or any other versions of Absorbent Super Buu, they’re correlating to the battered and powerless Buu seen after Vegito shits on him.
Any statement of him being the “toughest” literally has no actual validity to the strength of the characters and is directly contradicted in panels he either neglected to show or entirely misquoted, Goku himself entirely talks about not even being able to touch Buuhan and is confident he could take on Kid Buu at full throttle.
He goes on and on stating either blatantly wrong things, misquoting, or saying ignorant things entirely proving he didn’t read the content he claims he did.
@jahaba12296 as to his ki is growing that's a good and valid point, as Toriyama himself states the more ki one has the more powerful they are. And super buu after being separated from fat buu had a power increase rather than a drop in power, which backs up the statements from the Old Kai, his power was tamed after absorbing the kais, which tells us his power decreased back then.
Imo, kid Buu and Buuhan would be more relative in power, but the fact Kid Buu would be the most difficult, to me shows he's also more powerful.
Buuhan who is still evil, and supposed to have more power, should be the most difficult wouldn't you think?
Also there are no statements in the manga that outright state Gohan surpassed Goku in power, same for Gotenks.
While Goku and Vegeta where in buus mind, they stated they couldn't beat buu as he currently is, they were microscopic at that moment, and their power didn't scale the same.
Goku did state if at full power, he may win, however he comments after that potora was necessary, and he was only acting cool.
While Goku tells Vegeta that Buuhan can only be stopped with fusion, he ultimately admits the same about Kid Buu, that fusion is necessary. And with Toriyamas statement that the largest are not always the strongest, like freiza and Buu.
Other little hints too in DBS, Goku image trains and imagines fighting the final most powerful forms and he envision Kid buu rather than Buuhan.
As per the anime Kid Buu is flat out the most powerful. Not only with Gokus statements in the video, and even by the narrator.
In the Anime, it's Super Saiyan Goku(or SS2) that defeats a copy of Ultimate Gohan in Buus mind, which is stated tonhave Gohans power, and also stated in guides.
Other guides state that Kid Buu has greater power, skill, speed, and abilities compared to all the previous buu.
@@jahaba12296this particular response is head Canon, but my own personal theory. Goku and Vegeta after fusing, got stronger. I personally believe there is some sort of power increase post fusion. My reasons are because of the fusion amp. Not only is fusion fighter A x fighter B, plus a fusion amp. So when they split, I believe they retain, and split that amp between the 2.
Similar with DBS when they refused Goku being able to fight on par with Merged Zamasu by keeping ssb at 100% to me doesn't make too much sense unless Goku got stronger after fusion. But again that's just my theory on why Gokus power is inconsistent in the arc
@@rafi_sensei5421 As I stated in my response prior, Buu’s “Ki Growing” isn’t relative to Buuhan literally AT ALL, it’s a statement made after Buu was seperated from all of the people he fused and was battered around, at by far his weakest outside of Fat Buu.
Difficult does not equate to Power at all, Kid Buu being more difficult is a statement to point out the length of the actions he takes rather than any comparison of actual Power.
Ultimate Gohan is not only stronger than Goku, but so unimaginably stronger that he was literally mistaken for Goku before even fully powering up, and feats support this. Goku was unable to kill fat Buu, but rather by time, Gohan was not only DESTROYING the stronger version of Buu, but was having fun while doing so.
Gotenks and Gohan are the only ones relative using their performances against Buu, and even then Gotenks is undebatably stronger than Goku at that point in every regard.
Goku and Vegeta being microscopic has nothing to do with them being unable to beat Buu, they had to strip him of his absorptions, that’s literally the entire point of that sequence.
In the Anime, Kid Buu is confirmed to be stronger, but that’s an entirely different continuity to the Canon Material.
Manga Guide books outright state Buuhan to be the ultimate majin and the strongest he’s been.
And Goku image fighting Kid Buu rather than Buuhan is explained within the context of the story very easily, he didn’t bother trying against Buuhan because he knew he would’ve lost and thus had no ability to gauge his full power in image training.
SSJ3 Goku < Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan > Gotenks
Ultimate Gohan > Kid Buu
Buutenks > Ultimate Gohan
Buuhan > Buutenks
It’s very simple scaling.
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Kid buu is the strongest I’ll happily explain it to you on discord
But he's on the same side as you (unless you were referring to the comment)