People just want to see the character destroy stuff like just cause Goku in any other body that is beyond planetary is not destroying planets does not mean they can't do it they doesn't't want to why would I destroy the planet I live on that will make no sense
Moon Destroy - Power Lev 136 { Anime Goku Base Form Power Lev = 100 Trillion - Manga Base Form Power Lev = 210 Trillion } SS3 POWER LEV = 40 Quadrillion TOP - SSG Power Lev = 5 Quintillion DBSH - SSG Power Lev = 10 Quintillion 🥲 SSB Kaio-ken Power Lev = 5 Sextillion { 120 Billion x Base Form Mui Goku Power Lev = 12.6 Septillion } Tui Goku Power Lev = 43,75 Septillion ☝️🤓
Other than jin-woo being unkillable and having immeasurable speed, jin-woo straight up scales many tiers higher than goku! Hes at least low complex multiverse, while goku is plain universal. Proof for this being jin-woo soloing one of the other absolute beings, with the absolute beings being able to create higher dimensional universes.
@@muhammadtaufiqurrohim3127 well this usually happens when someone else brings in different version of a character (I swear C.A.S Superman is an asspull just like God fusion Goku) but if it's one character who is stronger than super Goku without bringing alternate versions, that's an L any respectable power scaler can take (goodluck finding them though) but anyone who actually watched and read DBS wouldn't need to bring up CC Goku, with the current scaling presented in the video
Ohh here we go again Another Sung Jin Woo fanboy who has done absolutely no research on dragon ball That Sung Jin Woo's Speed feat that you just said scales to something called Inaccessible Speed As going an Infinite Distance in 0 time is Inaccessible Speed And covering multiple infinite sized Construct's in finite and zero time is also inaccessible speed or just basic infinite speed not Immeasurable Speed That goes for any type of crossing Infinite distance If it's finite time It's Infinite Speed If it's negative or 0 time It's Inaccessible Speed Pretty common sense The best feat in solo leveling that I know of is in Solo Leveling Ragnarok Where there was only one Multiversal statement And Just having " *Omnipotence in your own realm* " Doesn't mean anything As you don't have Omnipotence outside of that realm meaning that's not true Omnipotence so scales to Dog poop As That realm is made from Sung Jin Woo Meaning that Relam has the same Dimensionality as Sung Jin Woo Which is 4D ( arguably 5D ) And Lower Dimensional Abilities and Haxs And Lower plane of existence is completely irrelevant against a higher dimensional character And for those who are crying about Sung Jin Woo being the concept of death Well buddy abstract concepts like Love , hate , anger , life and death are 0D because Platonism scales to nowhere Only Concepts like Space and Time can he scaled in the tiering system so besides these concepts Any other would scale to 0D Now let's talk about Goku Goku can destroy the Macrocosm ( pretty common sense ) The Macrocosm has the Other World which transcends Dimensionality and is nonphysical meaning it has No Dimensionality ( Outerversal by definition as you have no Dimensionality but transcend Dimensionality ) The Other World has no concept of space and Time Goku can move in it and affect it + destroying it ( you need to transcend the concept of space and time if you want to affect or destroy something that has no concept of space and time aka Goku need to transcend the concept of space and time to do this feat ) There's also Hell Which was said to transcend the concept of Space and Time Which is also Outerversal And Goku scales above the Instant Transmission's dimension which is a Subspace that contains spaces like the sugoroku space and the hyperbolic time chamber That Subspace has also said to have no concept of space and time and transcends the concept of space and time The Dragon Ball official site confirmed that The Type 3 Multiverse theory or the many worlds theory exists inside the Living Universe And Dragon Ball has quantum physics Because of this The theory would fall under Hilbert's Space and would scale to High Hyperversal Goku in BoG destroyed Super Dimensions Super Dimensions transcends Dimensionality and also transcends Infinite Dimensional structures In Speed Goku can move in the other world which has no concept of space and time Meaning Goku has Inaccessible Speed by the Buu Saga He can move in the future timeline where Zeno erased the concept of Space, Time and Form itself And also considering that Time can't affect it This would mean that feat of Goku is Immeasurable And Jiren was already said to be above Time And In Dragon Ball Power = Speed So that would mean Jiren's Speed would also transcend Time ( Immeasurable Speed ) Goku scales to Outerversal as proven Sl he'd Get Irreverent Speed just because of that certain tier And Hakai is more than just existence Eraser It erasers you from the story itself As Beerus was able to erase a villain from Dr Slump who even survived getting erased from his author ( toribot ) And Hakai did something not even the author could That's something called Author's authority Meaning even if the character can survive basic Existence Eraser He wouldn't survive that And besides Sung Jin Woo's attacks wouldn't even be able to do anything against Goku so why am I even here lol
Ok Goku flew across all of hell in 33 secknds and hell is infinite in size It takes the user to a dimention that transcends time and space meaning goku has at least immeasurable speed The db universe is infinite in size which holds innumerable stars and nebulae inside of it. Thats just 1. There are infinite possibilities and timeliness so infinite universes Oi is Conceptual in nature so manipulation of ki is Conceptual manipulation. In simple terms goku can actually permanently kill jinwoo. But jinwoo is immortal 🤓 In db those who are stronger have power nulification and plus characters in the show have shown to kill immortal beings like ghosts and already dead characters. "But goku didnt kill zamasu with hakai 🤓" Zamasu was actually affected by hakai which is why he used portal creation to grab mai and use her as a shield which caught goku ofgard and he attacked him. If hakai was innafective then would would zamasu try stop it from happeneing.
1. the dragon ball universes are finite, if u watched the anime you'd know we see many visual representations of the universes and they are always in an enclosed sphere. 2. hakai has no effect if you don't scale to the person it was used on, as seen when frieza and goku got hit by it and were fine. 3. when goku can make a new reality, try again, goku doesnt even scale to universe creators in dragonball like zeno or the grand priest, because we know kai's dont create universes. 4. hell is not infinite, it is relatively infinite, you cant have an infinite space inside a finite space, so it must be looping or 4th dimensional, regardless, goku doesnt scale to infinite anything, sung jin woo scales to infinite.
@@lustfulcapelladio5746 1 the universe is actually infinite in size as numerous sources from guide state this directly 2. Your proved my point since if you are stronger than your oponents you can nulify what they do. So if goku is stronger than jinwoo he can just nulify his abilities and just beat him
@@lustfulcapelladio5746 3. Your just being retarded since in battle if gods goku was going to destroy tge macrocosm with his punches which holds numerous infinite sized dimentions and higher dimentions like the afterlife
Db clowns will always deny the facts 😂 Jinwoo Solos dragon ball verse! Cry about it, toddlers! Wait till they come up with their “outerversal 🤡” scale for goku 😭🙏🏽 Edit: great, now db clowns entered my comment section to criticise me rather than providing non debunkable evidence 😭
Wow.. People are brain dead asf,A lot of people beat goku,Sung jinwoo ain't one of them,You can comment all you want but the truth will always be jinwoo losing to goku,This is the same debate of Goku Vs gojo.. Both of them aren't even a debate.. It's just people meatriding gojo and jinwoo.. Solo levelling is great.. But it Won't ever amount to anything in front of goku.. Keep meatriding if it helps you cope with your fangirly behaviour 🙏💀
Bro i want to discuss this with you in the cord Goku 1 taps jinwoo i cant send you scans in YT comment section so this is the best i can do rn Goku scale: The dragon ball afterlife is a non physical realm it has no concept of space and time and its a trancedental realm. Its stated in the daizenshou that it trancends dimensionality and Takeo Koyama (DB movie directror) has stated that the dragon ball afterlife is trancedental to dimensionality by difinition the dragon ball afterlife would be classified as an OUTERVERSAL realm. The afterlife has mutiple dimensions/universes inside it each one trancending the other making the dragon ball afterlife low balled 3 layers into Outerversal the macrocosm trancends that making it 4 layers into Outerversal and zenos palace trancends that making it 5 layers. Goku was able to destroy the macrocosm in SJJG making him 4 layers into Outerversal and that power got absorbed into his base making base BOG Goku 4 layers into Outerversal. He is able to percive and interact with zenos palace witch means he scales to it witch makes Goku 5 layers into Outerversal (low ball) for speed being outerversal automatically gives you irrelevant speed as outerversal trancends concept of space time witch you have to do to get irrelevant speed.
Db fans dont understand their own character Goku would let jinwoo attack him just to test his strength There is no world where goku doesn't do that. Power scalers talk a lot about speed blitzing but they forget that goku is just not the type of guy to do that. He loves fighting and would 100% lose to anyone who can take adavantage of that.
@@BalmyPlains6580 at that point, you're just comparing numbers and disregarding everything that makes fiction great. When you make everything about who has the bigger number, it leaves no room for anything fun. If you really think that comparing who has the bigger number is more fun then anything else, then I'm sorry but we can't be friends.
@zaidalvi-r2l doesn't matter. We aren't friends anyway, and if you wouldn't be friends with someone because of how they do VS. Battles then, sorry you are the problem also that's how most of these battles are done anyway just numbers
@@BalmyPlains6580 if you find comparing numbers to be more fulfilling then making friends, then good for you. I hope we never talk again. good day sir.
Ok, one, don't be a glazer, two even if Jin-woo attacks Goku he can still dodge, "oh but jin-woo has imesuearable speed" Goku has irrelevent speed, irrelevant speed is basically where a character moves so fast where concepts like speed, motion, e.t.c making their speed well, irrelevant. Jin-woo does have shadows but Goku is relatively on the same level as jin-woo if not even higher and all of Jin-woo shadows are weaker than him (I think) so he's maybe have a bit of trouble against guys like: Igris, Beru, Bellion, and Tusk, but aside from them Goku kills most of the other shadoww soldiers.
Goku is in the complex multiversal range, many downplay him and ignore dragon ball cosmology. And possibly even Higher. Goku could destroy a destroy Universe 7 a 6D structure and is stronger then Zamasu in base. Universe 7 is 6D because it transcends the macrocosm a 5D structure, the macrocosm is 5D because it has realms like heaven in it which are infinite 4D. Zamasu after being defeated by trunks, he spread to all 12 universes along with the space between them (that space is 7D because of having all 12 universes in it) along with all timelines and Jiren is stronger then him while heavily suppressed. And base Goku far surpassed him.
Goku goes waaaaay higher then this (i am serious but i cant send scans in here so would you mind dropping me your cord?) Goku low balled goes to 5 layers Outerversal (i am serious but i cant send you scans in yt yk) Goku scale: The dragon ball afterlife is a non physical realm it has no concept of space and time and its a trancedental realm. Its stated in the daizenshou that it trancends dimensionality and Takeo Koyama (DB movie directror) has stated that the dragon ball afterlife is trancedental to dimensionality by difinition the dragon ball afterlife would be classified as an OUTERVERSAL realm. The afterlife has mutiple dimensions/universes inside it each one trancending the other making the dragon ball afterlife low balled 3 layers into Outerversal the macrocosm trancends that making it 4 layers into Outerversal and zenos palace trancends that making it 5 layers. Goku was able to destroy the macrocosm in SJJG making him 4 layers into Outerversal and that power got absorbed into his base making base BOG Goku 4 layers into Outerversal. He is able to percive and interact with zenos palace witch means he scales to it witch makes Goku 5 layers into Outerversal (low ball) for speed being outerversal automatically gives you irrelevant speed as outerversal trancends concept of space time witch you have to do to get irrelevant speed. Overall Goku is low balled 5 layers into Outerversal with irrelevant speed.
Goku also obtained immeasurable speed in his fight against Hit, when he outsped stopped time. He's stronger and faster than that by his rematch and even more so by the T.O.P. Goku also scales to low multiversal since Battle of Gods, by the time of the T.O.P he's easily high complex multiversal. And even if we do forget the Hakai, which has erased immorals and can affect people with resistance to existence erasure, see T.O.P Frieza, who overpowered it coming from one God of Destruction but was about to be destroyed by Toppo's and was definitely gonna be erased by Zeno's, Goku still has techniques such as the Mofuba that can trap and seal immortals and people like Roshi and Frost were able to seal characters on the level of Gods. Not to mention, even if Goku was trapped by Jin-woo, he has intant transmission, which has shown to work between dimensions and across universes, but he also has the Zeno Button that can instantly teleport him to Zeno from anywhere. Let's also not forget that a single dragon ball universe is 9x the size of an infinitely expanding universe so even if you do scale Jin-woo to universal, Goku surpassed that well before he got Blue, let alone UI. So, sorry, but just because he's cooler doesn't mean he can win.
@dsm2417 i myself do find that wording a little weird. We saw Goku move through a time skip, which is stated to be forcing Hit into the future, yet it's portrayed and used as a time freeze in every sense of the word especially when we see Goku moving fast enough to outspeed Hit inside of it, but King Kai states Goku forced himself into the future and the manga contradicts this by stating that time skip doesn't affect those stronger than the user, similar to Hakai. It's a mess, but going off feats and statements, all 3 are technically true. Goku can move faster than stopped time, force himself to go so fast it forces his body into the future, and he is too strong to be affected by time skip. Which are all really good immeasurable speed and 4th dimensional feats.
Nah,that would be,at best,first 5 comments. The rest will be Dragon Ball Fans digging out every single Dizenshu and any japanese book ever where everything,from rocks in Bulma's yard to every single attack is stated to be infinite to say that it was all true and Goku is in actuality 15 quadrillion Dimentions into boundless,then they will bring up the world of void to say that he is Outerversal in base and then they will bring up every single filler,every single mistranslation,every single words said by the creators not even about DB,to prove to you that Goku has Immesurable speed. And yet somehow Bulma is able to watch their fights. And the moments you bring up all the inconsistencies - they will start crying about "THAT IS FOR THE PLOT!THAT IS FOR THE PLOT!YOU SHOULD USE ALL OF THESE CONTREDICTING STATMENTS TO BRING HIM TO INFINITE POWER BUT IGNORE ALL THOSE THAT SAY THAT HE IS ANYTHING BELOW OMNIPOTENT!WAAAAA!!!" And I guarantee you - none of them even KNOW that Light Novel Sung Jin Woo exists. And just wait until they try to prove to you that Movies are canon and Goku has Immesurable speed because of hsi fight with Cooler inside of instant transmittion. I was in 38 debates.They ALL go like this.
There's a problem, First of all we know DB characters are really fast cuz Zeno himself couldn't properly watch Goku vs Jiren cuz no patter how strong and durable he is, he's not a warrior Now talking abt Bulma? If u watch dragon ball i'm suure Bulma is just like Nami,both of them have gag capabilities allowing them to ignore the scenario of a character,mostly th protagonist( that's why golu never dodge her slap jusy like luffy always got damaged by nami's PHYSICAL ATTACK?)
@@superxhieldan6087 that's a dumb comparison.Nami was shown to dodge lightning during Skypia,and that was not a gag.Usop as well.Even the weakest Starhats have easy lightning scaling since before even Marineford. Why can Nami's attacks affect Luffy?Because it is the same as Garp's love fist.She might have Armament Haki that she herself didn't know about,which just awakens very briefly when Luffy really pisses her off. Comparing those two is stupid and I don't know why you do,but this Nami disrespect should be stopped.
Yes it is dude fused zamasu wasn't completely immortal that's why Goku's hakai worked on him also that was in manga didn't happen in the anime so I don't think it counts of Goku having hakai since he never used it after future arc@@Isitbeautiful276
Correct me if I'm wrong but can't goku just seal immortals? Like that technique I forgot the name of. Plus goku is massively stronger than jinn woo how would he even hurt goku?
Bruh Goku isn't even the strongest in his own series, you can make a long ass list of dB character that can beat Goku(Frieza,the angels, broly, fused zama...).What, who can beat Jinwoo in his series?, you ain't listing anyone 😂
First of all , how tf does jin woo has immesurable speed second , where is it stated that the slolo leveling universe is infinite ? Third , i didnt read the novel but as long as i remember , jinwoo cant just trap people in his world I believe jinwoo is at best multiversal with mftl speed and goku could easily one shot him , there are many chars stronger than goku and he isnt one of them
Also hakai works against immortal since zamasu had to use mai as a shield+ jinwoo immortality isnt rly immortality , he simply come back to life and if he get hakai'd , his existence Will be erased ... so tell me , how would he be able to arise if he doesnt exist anymore
@@jesusisbetter829 That is because of the Super Dragon Balls the wish from Super Shenron is strong enough to override Zeno. Also even if Beerus erased Zamasu's body his Soul would still exist and Beerus knew that.
This is a fictional character that is non canon Rimiru + ultra Drip Manga CC God goku + all fighting anime,movies and comics main characters + all drip VS sung jin wu/woo + no perks
You can tell hes a Goku downplayer In reality even if you high ball sung jin woo base Goku still negs I mean outerversal and immeasurable speed. Goku still negs
@@MaxineP-rime in the metal cooler movie in the diahsenshu for that movie it states that the realm goku access when using instant transmission ( yes it's not just disappear and reappear it's atually him accessing another dimention ) trancends the concept of time and space Speed formula is distance divide by time Without space their is no distance and without the concept of time their is no time Granting goku irrelevant speed if he had to move in that realm
Brother goku has speed he shook the entire universe 7 the entire universe 7 being alot of different realms like living world hell heaven kaioshen realm etc all of these have been stated to BE INFINTE MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE DAIZENSHUU the same daisenshu confirmed by THE AUTHOR so no sung jin woo is less then goku terms of speer lets see ur "resistance to erasure" goku has killed immortals and beings resistant to erasure also hax just wont work since dragon ball verse works like if a opponrnt is stronger then their hax is automatically negated example vegeto(candy) vs buu and also gotenks can scream out of the hyperbolic time chamber the same gotenks whos really weak compared to even gohan so goku massively outscales lil bro
correction: he fused with a single girl from a dimension lower than us. if it was a real person, theyd be currently missing. sorry, but unless theres actual physical evidence of a fictional character interacting with the real world, we cant consider that to be real.
How ridiculous First "travelling an infinite world" is BS, it's not infinite if you can travel it, Idc that this is just a fiction, but bruh even for fiction there's some logic that you can't just swap all over the place or else you'll ruin the measures of the story Second *sigh* y'all gotta watch/read both series to talk about it Whomever actually did that, knows damn well that sung jin woo ain't beating Goku The best you can say about jin, is that Goku might probably be unable to k!ll him But if you think he's even doing damage to Goku then you're delusional
@@Koushik7310 he almost destroyed the universe which has multiple realms which are infinite in size even though this is only 4D there is another realm which transcends the mortal universe the mortal universe has dimensions which are space-time the concepts of space-time are 4D and transcending it would be 5D
@@Samaradoespowerscaling but he has to be able to destroy infinite amount of space-time continoums to be able to reach 5D. Goku could scale upto 5D if the Transcending Space-time was solid but if he has that many things contradict's each other in the story inshort plot holes. Many people can scale goku to 5D one way or another but not through destroying space-time because one universe don't have countless space-time contimoums.
Look idc who wins between goku and jinwoo but damn lowballing goku to city level is wild frieza blows up a planet with no effort back at the beginning of z and Goku beat the crap out of that same frieza and didn't the guy at beginning said that if a character didn't destroy a planet doesn't mean they dont scale above planetary like damn dude
@@JohnPatrickPardilla im joking clearly im just copying what so many dragonball fans do they see someone not blow up a planet and assume they cant be more than city level
So your saying vegeta saiyan saga who blew up a planet first appearance is stronger than goku god level who never blown up a planet? Yeah don't cook again
@@Thecor13 God dragonball fans are so slow, read the replies before you comment i will never understand how people are this stupid, tbh i cant blame you since you think dragonball is good in the first place my bad for thinking you were intelligent
This bro is honestly just a Goku hater, no hate or judgment to anyone, but why do people refuse to accept the fact that goku is faster than time since he kept up with metal cooler because cooler could outrun Instant Transmittion(Which is fatser than time) and that his KI is so high that he filled up the world of void with it and shook a place without anything. We also have the fact that AT THE BEGINNING of DBS Goku and Beerus' punches were gonna destroy Universe 7 that included the otherworld. A PLACE BEYOND THE CONCEPT TIME AND SPACE. No wonder he turned off the like and dislikes 💀
Okay just bc someone traverses dimensions doesnt mean its immesurable speeds, if thats the case even BOG Goku has immesurable speed as his ki traversed a whole macrocosm with multiple dimensions with some stated as higher dimensions. Ki scales to the speed to the user so immesurable speed for goku there? Hakai erases u from even the after life, space time and narrative existence, meaning Jin woos immortality aint enough. Just bc ur immortal doesnt mean hakai doesnt work automatically, for example Garlic Jr is immortal but no way he would survive a Hakai from a god. Compared to Zamasus immortality which was granted by SUPER SHERON who has no limits of wishes powers. So yeah Goku drops kick Jin woo
first of all, i did not say that jinwoo has immesurable speed because he transversed a universe infinite in size. I said that BERU HAS INFINITE SPEED because he transversed the solo leveling universe which was infinite in size. BERU HAS INFINITE SPEED. and jinwoo can EASILY SPEED BLITZ BERU. so what do you think that means for Jinwoo if he can easily speed blitz someone that has at least infinite speed? Second of all, I didn’t say that that Goku’s hakai wouldn’t work on Jinwoo because Jinwoo is immortal. Hakai wouldn’t work on Jinwoo because JINWOO IS RESISTANT TO EXISTENCE ERASURE. what is hakai? it’s EXISTENCE ERASURE. One of Jinwoo’s haxes (resistance to existence erasure) LITERALLY COUNTERS hakai. Watch the video next time 🤝🏽
Strength - Goku > Jin Woo Fodder The shockwave of Goku's punches was going to destroy the whole universe 7 and how big is universe - a single universe of Dragon Ball is 1505x times bigger than our universe = Planets a thousand times bigger than Earth were turning into dust just because of the Shockwave of Goku's punches Goku lifted the black hole to the top and its weight was - 60 septillion tons Speed = irrelevant Goku > Jin Woo Fodder MFTL🤌 Erasing power will not work on Goku - cause Goku has survived a power like Hakai in his base form which even immortal Gods get destroyed - But the power of Hakai that Goku survived was very weak But - { 120 Billion x Base Form Mui Goku Power Lev = 12.6 Septillion }
Strength is right but speed is wrong Goku does not have infinite speed immeasurable speed max and jin woo is not mftl+ he has moved in places where time doesn't exist and can traverse infinite universes and dimensions. Also hakai only affects beings weaker than you and jin woos erasure is different from hakai
@@lololololol58.3 Goku has the same speed as Superman - Superman crossed his mega-sized universe in a few seconds - ( over one novemdecellion times greater than U7 ) - Both Are Immeasurable Speeds And How big is U7 - DB's single Universe is infinite and inside DB's universe many such places exist which are infinite like heaven - Hell - Inside a Universe exist a Macrocosm and Kaiōshin Realm. Demon Realm - Mortal Real - After Life - Time Chamber And Many More............ All of these things combine to make a single universe as big as a Complex Multiverse ✋ And current Goku can destroy only in his SS2 form
@@lololololol58.3 All movies - series - animes have the same concept, if u have the power to Erase but ur opponent is stronger than u then u can't destroy him -
Goku destroys Jin Woo. Goku scales to high outerversal+ and 7d+ while Jin-Woo is multi at best. In DBS Hax scales to strength and with that in mind. Goku can negate any haxs that Jin Woo has.
Isn't it's literally stated in the guide book that dbz universe isn't just a universe but collection of infinite galaxies and stars with there being solar systems that are infinite in numbers like not even making this up anime goku in Majin buu saga alone Solos We don't need CC goku And now idk if any of you watched the anime but the explosion from the namek planet which got destroyed alone was powerful enough to be seen from the galaxy That already scales freiza saga goku to multi solar to low galaxy lvl (low ball) Me personally Goku alone Solos from just Majin buu saga z
Tbh i can’t stand sung jin woo lovers cause I understand where there coming from but at the same time there only using the recent goku feats there not using past goku feats it’s like saying saint Pegasus doesn’t beat beerus because he doesn’t have that AP🤓👆 like 9 times out of 10 he did that in the past
Goku DOES has infinite to immeasurable speed, do not use vs battles wiki it's not entirely accurate, at best jinwoo does not have the strength feats to pull that off considering goku scales From Complex Multiversal - Outerversal, and also.. FUCK CC GOKU
Wtf are you talking about? How is Goku multiversal? He's not even as strong as black Frieza at this point. Wouldn't that make him more powerful then Zeno?
@@zaidalvi-r2lzeno is not uni+ he is way above that because he can erase as many universes as he want and his erasure is absolute since it destroys immortals and people immune against erasure and also he already erased 10 universes before T.O.P
@@ylberi1991 wait so Zeno destroys universes but he's above universal. Cause he killed immortals Goku is multiversal, he can destroy the universe and so can most of his enemies but they don't for whatever reason Goku is below Zeno who destroys universes but he can also destroy universes but he can't kill immortals and....uh uhhh POWER SCALING IS BULLSHIT
Well one a universe (or microcosm) in dragon ball hold many infinite sized universal realms residing it, making almost threatening to destroy the universe a low multi - multiversal feat in of itself, and this is at the beginning of super as well each arc Goku gets millions of times stronger with insane power creeping, for speed in Z (before the buu arc, goku and pikkon were able to fly from or to the north kais planet from King kais, which they flew over a infinite distance in a pretty quick time aswell, because goku gets millions upon billions of times stronger than in each saga, and the fact was able to outspeed Jiren who was of itself transcends time. Both Jiren and Goku was able to shake the world of void which is a infinite size realm. (Gotta eat so I'll explain a bit more if needed)
@@Dbzdevagamer the problem with this kind of power scaling is that it breaks very easily. If Goku is infinitely fast in z, why does he ever use instant transmission? Why does Vegeta have trouble getting from yadrat back to earth if he also has infinite speed. What do you think is more likely The writers saying:"ah yes, Goku will travel an invite distance and that will establish that he has infinite speed" Or the writers forgot that other world is supposed to be infinite and wanted Goku and paikkon to go from one place to another People love bringing up things like characters and places being "beyond the concept of time" whatever tf that means. They forget that the writer just wanted to sound cool.
Oh nah you know its bad when they say sun jinwu stronger than goku Imma just put this in three points 1. Super goku has the capabilities to destroy sun jinwoo in a 1v1 fight and sunjinwoo being unable to die is absolute cap. 2. Even if sun jinwoo is planetary his power physicaly cannot scale to goku's. 3. sin jinwoo being able to speed blitz amd go across the planet doesnt mean his speed is immeasurable and a hakai doesnt kill u it literally erases you from existence so your technically not dying just being erased ass in the very concept of u is deleted
jinwoos speed is immeasurable because even beru can travel the solo leveling verse in a few days which is stated to be infinite. also jinwoo is death itself
@@bedwarspro nah I disagree, I read all solo leveling and is my fave manhwa but even with all I read I see imposible for jin woo to defeat goku like we never actually see him destroy a planet and even if he can the power scaling of db is just too much
@@orrkomahamud8378 yeah but Im not a grown ass man tweaking out over jin woo who even is he what anime is he from I might watch it cause his character looks cool.
i didnt read ragnarock ( only a lil )or the ln but junwoo was never stated or did kill someone by a touch or was THAT fast the absolute being was stated by the rulers to be weak he made the war between the rulers and monarchs to make these being that jin fights in ragnarock scared of approaching that world and it worked so theyre most likely arent stronger than them and non of them scales( rulers and monarchs ) to universal and when was jin stated to be the grim reaper or immortal like he died and needed ashborns help to come back and even then he wasnt immortal idk if rangnarock just made him crazy but goku is easly faster than him ( the jin woo that i know of )he travel outside of the after life to sacred world of kais both stated to be uneversal in scale in SECONDS thats buu saga goku waht do you think tui goku is like mui goku can be scaled between high complex multiversal( lowball) to hight outerversal ( a bit highball) aint no way the jin woo i know of is touching him
The anime goes in when goku hits super saiyan gardens can punch.Make the universe go around.He can play he's punched and risked the end of the universe.Protect me, goku and his saying guard from alone.Hey can move across the universe in a couple of seconds.So take lee , he's stronger than no shoe anne he came
Dollar cartoon San Diego might be strong but he's not being cosmic armor Superman he's not being cosmic arm of Superman cosmic armor Superman is going to speed with the absolute hell out of something better. He's not finding any more of a comic character because some of anime sit down animators
Yeah.. Jinwoo ain't Doing squat to goku even if Jinwoo's immortal he ain't ever coming close to making goku use over super saiyan.. The normal sayians already went billions faster then light, The Planet vegeta weak sayians,none of the shadow warriors will do jack shit to goku,One super punch they out,What jinwoo gonna do? Stab him?
Alright even Though you got the conclusion right you lowballed the hell out of Goku Goku scales to 5D with immeasurable speed 1D=hypoverse 2D=high hypoverse 3D=any being from human level to universal high level 4D=universal+ to multiversal+ 5D=low complex multiversal (5D) up to 6D 7D=complex multiversal (7D) to complex multiversal (9D) 10D=high complex multiversal(10D) to 11D 12D=hyperversal from 12D to any finite dimensional number ∞D=high hyperversal: a structure of infinite dimensionality 1D=hypoverse Speed:He has immeasurable because he transcends time and space this gives him immeasurable speed as well Scaling:he is 5D because he almost destroyed the universe the same universe which has multiple realms which are infinite in size Even though destroying an infinte sized relm is 4D he also almost destroyed a relm which transcends space-time as well as dimensions of the mortal universe this scales him 5D as there are dimensions in the mortal universe which are 4D
Goku in his god state was almost destroyed the universe and his god state was absorbed in his base form also Dragonball size is much bigger example namek is as big star and galaxies in Dragonball has infinite solar systems inside of it goku stomped
Jinwoo scales to multiversal. Goku is high outer. And no goku isnt slower than jinwoo. CC Goku can be argued boundless so jinwoo dosen't even scale to that realm nor concept. Jinwoo dosent get past the cell saga, respectfully.
I need whatever ur smoking if u think goku is outerversal much less HIGH OUTERVERSAL and cell is solar system level at best garlic beats that kid in cosmic fear mode plus too we talking about canon folk where the he'll u get cc from
Why not xeno Goku or cc Goku they both just looked broken and also cc Goku absorbed universal tree power and launched all of it against fuu and xeno Goku ssj3 and xeno Vegeta ssj3 literally was struggling against base Dr weelo and Gohan super Saiyan was fighting toe to toe against him
Idk what this debate is, since I barely know jinwoo. Imma just say Goku wins cuz I like dragon ball. The video is funny as hell ngl, but I do think this goes both ways. There will also probably be sun jinwoo fans regurgitating the same points over and over while DB fans actually bring up some good points.
Dollar cartoon San Diego might be strong but he's not being cosmic armor Superman he's not being cosmic arm of Superman cosmic armor Superman is going to speed with the absolute hell out of something better. He's not finding any more of a comic character because some of anime sit down animators
It is like saying Rimuru is planetary because he didn't destroy the main Cardinal Planet where everyone lives. 🤡
😂😂😂
And when you say that Goku never destroyed a planet they go into rage mode)
People just want to see the character destroy stuff like just cause Goku in any other body that is beyond planetary is not destroying planets does not mean they can't do it they doesn't't want to why would I destroy the planet I live on that will make no sense
@@eliasflawless1698most of them be trolls who says that
Moon Destroy - Power Lev 136
{ Anime Goku Base Form Power Lev = 100 Trillion - Manga Base Form Power Lev = 210 Trillion }
SS3 POWER LEV = 40 Quadrillion
TOP - SSG Power Lev = 5 Quintillion
DBSH - SSG Power Lev = 10 Quintillion 🥲
SSB Kaio-ken Power Lev = 5 Sextillion
{ 120 Billion x Base Form
Mui Goku Power Lev = 12.6 Septillion }
Tui Goku Power Lev = 43,75 Septillion ☝️🤓
Other than jin-woo being unkillable and having immeasurable speed, jin-woo straight up scales many tiers higher than goku! Hes at least low complex multiverse, while goku is plain universal. Proof for this being jin-woo soloing one of the other absolute beings, with the absolute beings being able to create higher dimensional universes.
As a Dragon Ball fan, I'm embarassed at how braindead some fans can be when it comes to powerscaling 🤦
@@Monkey_King004 that’s because SUPER’S POWERSCALING IS STUPID
Can we all just agree that in the end they're both fictional characters and have their own separate fan bases? 😭
Yeah goku fans always bring non canon form (cc and xeno goku) when goku starts losing lol😂
Goku fans started doing this because sonic fans started bringing Archie sonic in every conversation
@@muhammadtaufiqurrohim3127 well this usually happens when someone else brings in different version of a character (I swear C.A.S Superman is an asspull just like God fusion Goku) but if it's one character who is stronger than super Goku without bringing alternate versions, that's an L any respectable power scaler can take (goodluck finding them though) but anyone who actually watched and read DBS wouldn't need to bring up CC Goku, with the current scaling presented in the video
Where can I watch solo leveling. I can't find it on the services I have.
Im ngl jin woo fans are insufferable... like i unrionically saw someone say " LN Jin woo beats composite spider man(comics)"
And dont get me wrong goku fans are just as horrendous but.. i have the utter displeasure of being in the same fandom of both these creatures..
Ohh here we go again
Another Sung Jin Woo fanboy who has done absolutely no research on dragon ball
That Sung Jin Woo's Speed feat that you just said scales to something called Inaccessible Speed
As going an Infinite Distance in 0 time is Inaccessible Speed
And covering multiple infinite sized Construct's in finite and zero time is also inaccessible speed or just basic infinite speed not Immeasurable Speed
That goes for any type of crossing Infinite distance
If it's finite time
It's Infinite Speed
If it's negative or 0 time
It's Inaccessible Speed
Pretty common sense
The best feat in solo leveling that I know of is in Solo Leveling Ragnarok
Where there was only one Multiversal statement
And Just having " *Omnipotence in your own realm* "
Doesn't mean anything
As you don't have Omnipotence outside of that realm meaning that's not true Omnipotence so scales to Dog poop
As That realm is made from Sung Jin Woo
Meaning that Relam has the same Dimensionality as Sung Jin Woo
Which is 4D ( arguably 5D )
And Lower Dimensional Abilities and Haxs
And Lower plane of existence is completely irrelevant against a higher dimensional character
And for those who are crying about Sung Jin Woo being the concept of death
Well buddy abstract concepts like Love , hate , anger , life and death are 0D because Platonism scales to nowhere
Only Concepts like Space and Time can he scaled in the tiering system so besides these concepts
Any other would scale to 0D
Now let's talk about Goku
Goku can destroy the Macrocosm ( pretty common sense )
The Macrocosm has the Other World which transcends Dimensionality and is nonphysical meaning it has No Dimensionality ( Outerversal by definition as you have no Dimensionality but transcend Dimensionality )
The Other World has no concept of space and Time
Goku can move in it and affect it + destroying it ( you need to transcend the concept of space and time if you want to affect or destroy something that has no concept of space and time aka Goku need to transcend the concept of space and time to do this feat )
There's also Hell
Which was said to transcend the concept of Space and Time
Which is also Outerversal
And Goku scales above the Instant Transmission's dimension which is a Subspace that contains spaces like the sugoroku space and the hyperbolic time chamber
That Subspace has also said to have no concept of space and time and transcends the concept of space and time
The Dragon Ball official site confirmed that The Type 3 Multiverse theory or the many worlds theory exists inside the Living Universe
And Dragon Ball has quantum physics
Because of this
The theory would fall under Hilbert's Space and would scale to High Hyperversal
Goku in BoG destroyed Super Dimensions
Super Dimensions transcends Dimensionality and also transcends Infinite Dimensional structures
In Speed Goku can move in the other world which has no concept of space and time
Meaning Goku has Inaccessible Speed by the Buu Saga
He can move in the future timeline where Zeno erased the concept of Space, Time and Form itself
And also considering that Time can't affect it
This would mean that feat of Goku is Immeasurable
And Jiren was already said to be above Time
And In Dragon Ball
Power = Speed
So that would mean Jiren's Speed would also transcend Time ( Immeasurable Speed )
Goku scales to Outerversal as proven
Sl he'd Get Irreverent Speed just because of that certain tier
And Hakai is more than just existence Eraser
It erasers you from the story itself
As Beerus was able to erase a villain from Dr Slump who even survived getting erased from his author ( toribot )
And Hakai did something not even the author could
That's something called Author's authority
Meaning even if the character can survive basic Existence Eraser
He wouldn't survive that
And besides Sung Jin Woo's attacks wouldn't even be able to do anything against Goku so why am I even here lol
Ok
Goku flew across all of hell in 33 secknds and hell is infinite in size
It takes the user to a dimention that transcends time and space meaning goku has at least immeasurable speed
The db universe is infinite in size which holds innumerable stars and nebulae inside of it. Thats just 1. There are infinite possibilities and timeliness so infinite universes
Oi is Conceptual in nature so manipulation of ki is Conceptual manipulation. In simple terms goku can actually permanently kill jinwoo.
But jinwoo is immortal 🤓
In db those who are stronger have power nulification and plus characters in the show have shown to kill immortal beings like ghosts and already dead characters.
"But goku didnt kill zamasu with hakai 🤓"
Zamasu was actually affected by hakai which is why he used portal creation to grab mai and use her as a shield which caught goku ofgard and he attacked him. If hakai was innafective then would would zamasu try stop it from happeneing.
so we missed the part of him being immune to existence erasures?
@@TheReal_Shino missed the part where i explain how db characters having power nulification when they have higher ki and they're stronger than you?
1. the dragon ball universes are finite, if u watched the anime you'd know we see many visual representations of the universes and they are always in an enclosed sphere.
2. hakai has no effect if you don't scale to the person it was used on, as seen when frieza and goku got hit by it and were fine.
3. when goku can make a new reality, try again, goku doesnt even scale to universe creators in dragonball like zeno or the grand priest, because we know kai's dont create universes.
4. hell is not infinite, it is relatively infinite, you cant have an infinite space inside a finite space, so it must be looping or 4th dimensional, regardless, goku doesnt scale to infinite anything, sung jin woo scales to infinite.
@@lustfulcapelladio5746 1 the universe is actually infinite in size as numerous sources from guide state this directly
2. Your proved my point since if you are stronger than your oponents you can nulify what they do. So if goku is stronger than jinwoo he can just nulify his abilities and just beat him
@@lustfulcapelladio5746 3. Your just being retarded since in battle if gods goku was going to destroy tge macrocosm with his punches which holds numerous infinite sized dimentions and higher dimentions like the afterlife
Db clowns will always deny the facts 😂
Jinwoo Solos dragon ball verse! Cry about it, toddlers!
Wait till they come up with their “outerversal 🤡” scale for goku 😭🙏🏽
Edit: great, now db clowns entered my comment section to criticise me rather than providing non debunkable evidence 😭
Not even close😭🙏🙏🙏😂🙏🙏
Wow.. People are brain dead asf,A lot of people beat goku,Sung jinwoo ain't one of them,You can comment all you want but the truth will always be jinwoo losing to goku,This is the same debate of Goku Vs gojo.. Both of them aren't even a debate.. It's just people meatriding gojo and jinwoo.. Solo levelling is great.. But it Won't ever amount to anything in front of goku.. Keep meatriding if it helps you cope with your fangirly behaviour 🙏💀
sung jin woo solos the entire db universe?
zeno.
@@MaxineP-rime Yes Zeno is featless fodder this guy gets banged by a single shadow clone from sun jinwoo
@@INVALID_DATA featless?
Goku black arc.
"Yeah dragon ball is not that strong of a verse because nothinh is crazy happening" mfs after ignoring every single proof from the anime itself
Bro i want to discuss this with you in the cord Goku 1 taps jinwoo i cant send you scans in YT comment section so this is the best i can do rn
Goku scale:
The dragon ball afterlife is a non physical realm it has no concept of space and time and its a trancedental realm. Its stated in the daizenshou that it trancends dimensionality and Takeo Koyama (DB movie directror) has stated that the dragon ball afterlife is trancedental to dimensionality by difinition the dragon ball afterlife would be classified as an OUTERVERSAL realm. The afterlife has mutiple dimensions/universes inside it each one trancending the other making the dragon ball afterlife low balled 3 layers into Outerversal the macrocosm trancends that making it 4 layers into Outerversal and zenos palace trancends that making it 5 layers. Goku was able to destroy the macrocosm in SJJG making him 4 layers into Outerversal and that power got absorbed into his base making base BOG Goku 4 layers into Outerversal. He is able to percive and interact with zenos palace witch means he scales to it witch makes Goku 5 layers into Outerversal (low ball) for speed being outerversal automatically gives you irrelevant speed as outerversal trancends concept of space time witch you have to do to get irrelevant speed.
Drop your cord Goku high diffs but your Goku scale is completely wrong
Keep note that all of gokus feats are slowed down so the reader/viewer can see whats going on. With TOP being 40 minutes of a fight.
Db fans dont understand their own character
Goku would let jinwoo attack him just to test his strength
There is no world where goku doesn't do that.
Power scalers talk a lot about speed blitzing but they forget that goku is just not the type of guy to do that. He loves fighting and would 100% lose to anyone who can take adavantage of that.
You don't understand how these kinds of battles work
@@BalmyPlains6580 at that point, you're just comparing numbers and disregarding everything that makes fiction great.
When you make everything about who has the bigger number, it leaves no room for anything fun.
If you really think that comparing who has the bigger number is more fun then anything else, then I'm sorry but we can't be friends.
@zaidalvi-r2l doesn't matter. We aren't friends anyway, and if you wouldn't be friends with someone because of how they do VS. Battles then, sorry you are the problem also that's how most of these battles are done anyway just numbers
@@BalmyPlains6580
if you find comparing numbers to be more fulfilling then making friends, then
good for you.
I hope we never talk again.
good day sir.
if Goku is in character that is.
Most powerscalers were prolly talking about BLOODLUSTED Goku and Jin-Woo
Ok, one, don't be a glazer, two even if Jin-woo attacks Goku he can still dodge, "oh but jin-woo has imesuearable speed" Goku has irrelevent speed, irrelevant speed is basically where a character moves so fast where concepts like speed, motion, e.t.c making their speed well, irrelevant. Jin-woo does have shadows but Goku is relatively on the same level as jin-woo if not even higher and all of Jin-woo shadows are weaker than him (I think) so he's maybe have a bit of trouble against guys like: Igris, Beru, Bellion, and Tusk, but aside from them Goku kills most of the other shadoww soldiers.
Goku does not have irrelevant speed
You should do shinra vs Jin woo. In my opinion that’s a more interesting fight
Jin woo. Easily.
@@harlem1. really, even with banshoman?
@@anthonymorenosorto2743 yes. Goku loses bro
@@harlem1. ik goku loses. But what about rimru and Anos?
Goku is in the complex multiversal range, many downplay him and ignore dragon ball cosmology. And possibly even Higher.
Goku could destroy a destroy Universe 7 a 6D structure and is stronger then Zamasu in base. Universe 7 is 6D because it transcends the macrocosm a 5D structure, the macrocosm is 5D because it has realms like heaven in it which are infinite 4D.
Zamasu after being defeated by trunks, he spread to all 12 universes along with the space between them (that space is 7D because of having all 12 universes in it) along with all timelines and Jiren is stronger then him while heavily suppressed. And base Goku far surpassed him.
Goku goes waaaaay higher then this (i am serious but i cant send scans in here so would you mind dropping me your cord?) Goku low balled goes to 5 layers Outerversal (i am serious but i cant send you scans in yt yk)
Goku scale:
The dragon ball afterlife is a non physical realm it has no concept of space and time and its a trancedental realm. Its stated in the daizenshou that it trancends dimensionality and Takeo Koyama (DB movie directror) has stated that the dragon ball afterlife is trancedental to dimensionality by difinition the dragon ball afterlife would be classified as an OUTERVERSAL realm. The afterlife has mutiple dimensions/universes inside it each one trancending the other making the dragon ball afterlife low balled 3 layers into Outerversal the macrocosm trancends that making it 4 layers into Outerversal and zenos palace trancends that making it 5 layers. Goku was able to destroy the macrocosm in SJJG making him 4 layers into Outerversal and that power got absorbed into his base making base BOG Goku 4 layers into Outerversal. He is able to percive and interact with zenos palace witch means he scales to it witch makes Goku 5 layers into Outerversal (low ball) for speed being outerversal automatically gives you irrelevant speed as outerversal trancends concept of space time witch you have to do to get irrelevant speed.
Overall Goku is low balled 5 layers into Outerversal with irrelevant speed.
@@Марина-р4п4п my user is botimusprime_
@@Марина-р4п4п my user is botimusprime_
If goku has irrelavant Speed then why does he need teleportation to go to Place that are far away for him?
@@Марина-р4п4п I’m trying to send it but it keeps deleting my comment
cant we just enjoy both shows in peace, please?
@@arya93401 mind if I join you on this boat? These arguments are going nowhere fast
@@frostdemon4113fr, arguing which drawing scales higher in the big 24 💔
Tbh I don't think jin woo would ever have a reason to fight goku
Goku also obtained immeasurable speed in his fight against Hit, when he outsped stopped time. He's stronger and faster than that by his rematch and even more so by the T.O.P. Goku also scales to low multiversal since Battle of Gods, by the time of the T.O.P he's easily high complex multiversal. And even if we do forget the Hakai, which has erased immorals and can affect people with resistance to existence erasure, see T.O.P Frieza, who overpowered it coming from one God of Destruction but was about to be destroyed by Toppo's and was definitely gonna be erased by Zeno's, Goku still has techniques such as the Mofuba that can trap and seal immortals and people like Roshi and Frost were able to seal characters on the level of Gods.
Not to mention, even if Goku was trapped by Jin-woo, he has intant transmission, which has shown to work between dimensions and across universes, but he also has the Zeno Button that can instantly teleport him to Zeno from anywhere.
Let's also not forget that a single dragon ball universe is 9x the size of an infinitely expanding universe so even if you do scale Jin-woo to universal, Goku surpassed that well before he got Blue, let alone UI.
So, sorry, but just because he's cooler doesn't mean he can win.
Fax
Facts and even King kai says it verbatim "You forced yourself to the future"
@dsm2417 i myself do find that wording a little weird. We saw Goku move through a time skip, which is stated to be forcing Hit into the future, yet it's portrayed and used as a time freeze in every sense of the word especially when we see Goku moving fast enough to outspeed Hit inside of it, but King Kai states Goku forced himself into the future and the manga contradicts this by stating that time skip doesn't affect those stronger than the user, similar to Hakai. It's a mess, but going off feats and statements, all 3 are technically true. Goku can move faster than stopped time, force himself to go so fast it forces his body into the future, and he is too strong to be affected by time skip. Which are all really good immeasurable speed and 4th dimensional feats.
@@DBG_Studios I think you might be a professional yapper
no offense
Nah,that would be,at best,first 5 comments.
The rest will be Dragon Ball Fans digging out every single Dizenshu and any japanese book ever where everything,from rocks in Bulma's yard to every single attack is stated to be infinite to say that it was all true and Goku is in actuality 15 quadrillion Dimentions into boundless,then they will bring up the world of void to say that he is Outerversal in base and then they will bring up every single filler,every single mistranslation,every single words said by the creators not even about DB,to prove to you that Goku has Immesurable speed.
And yet somehow Bulma is able to watch their fights.
And the moments you bring up all the inconsistencies - they will start crying about "THAT IS FOR THE PLOT!THAT IS FOR THE PLOT!YOU SHOULD USE ALL OF THESE CONTREDICTING STATMENTS TO BRING HIM TO INFINITE POWER BUT IGNORE ALL THOSE THAT SAY THAT HE IS ANYTHING BELOW OMNIPOTENT!WAAAAA!!!"
And I guarantee you - none of them even KNOW that Light Novel Sung Jin Woo exists.
And just wait until they try to prove to you that Movies are canon and Goku has Immesurable speed because of hsi fight with Cooler inside of instant transmittion.
I was in 38 debates.They ALL go like this.
W Fax.
So you can source the LN, but we can't support our claims?
There's a problem,
First of all we know DB characters are really fast cuz Zeno himself couldn't properly watch Goku vs Jiren cuz no patter how strong and durable he is, he's not a warrior
Now talking abt Bulma? If u watch dragon ball i'm suure Bulma is just like Nami,both of them have gag capabilities allowing them to ignore the scenario of a character,mostly th protagonist( that's why golu never dodge her slap jusy like luffy always got damaged by nami's PHYSICAL ATTACK?)
“oh shit I’m gonna lose…
Zeno button!” -goku
@@superxhieldan6087 that's a dumb comparison.Nami was shown to dodge lightning during Skypia,and that was not a gag.Usop as well.Even the weakest Starhats have easy lightning scaling since before even Marineford.
Why can Nami's attacks affect Luffy?Because it is the same as Garp's love fist.She might have Armament Haki that she herself didn't know about,which just awakens very briefly when Luffy really pisses her off.
Comparing those two is stupid and I don't know why you do,but this Nami disrespect should be stopped.
Correct me if im wrong, but isn't hakai useless against immortals
Oh shit youre right😅
No
Yes it is dude fused zamasu wasn't completely immortal that's why Goku's hakai worked on him also that was in manga didn't happen in the anime so I don't think it counts of Goku having hakai since he never used it after future arc@@Isitbeautiful276
Correct me if I'm wrong but can't goku just seal immortals? Like that technique I forgot the name of. Plus goku is massively stronger than jinn woo how would he even hurt goku?
@@sonhadotanis he solo's Jin woo no diff
Bruh Goku isn't even the strongest in his own series, you can make a long ass list of dB character that can beat Goku(Frieza,the angels, broly, fused zama...).What, who can beat Jinwoo in his series?, you ain't listing anyone 😂
That really doesn’t mean anything my bad my character has something to work to😂
Him not being the strongest in his verse doesnt mean hes 8n any way weaker than sun jinwoo except iq or smth
There’s a reason why it’s Jin woo vs Goku and not Goku vs his verse cope
as a wise man once said “He’s not goku because he’s strong, he’s strong because he’s goku.”
I think that’s how it went anyway
ok but shonen spirit+power of friendship, jinwoo ain't doing shit about this
First of all , how tf does jin woo has immesurable speed
second , where is it stated that the slolo leveling universe is infinite ?
Third , i didnt read the novel but as long as i remember , jinwoo cant just trap people in his world
I believe jinwoo is at best multiversal with mftl speed and goku could easily one shot him , there are many chars stronger than goku and he isnt one of them
Also hakai works against immortal since zamasu had to use mai as a shield+ jinwoo immortality isnt rly immortality , he simply come back to life and if he get hakai'd , his existence Will be erased ... so tell me , how would he be able to arise if he doesnt exist anymore
@@SalimouToure-ic1nsYou’re like the guy in the video 😂
@@SalimouToure-ic1nshe was half immortal. Beerus himself stated Haki won’t work on immortals
@@jesusisbetter829 That is because of the Super Dragon Balls the wish from Super Shenron is strong enough to override Zeno. Also even if Beerus erased Zamasu's body his Soul would still exist and Beerus knew that.
@@KingTheJulius Alr Alr beerus had a way to seal immortals like him. I’m guessing any other kind of immortal will just get Haki’d
bro did not read one comment from that video 💀💀🙏🙏
He did Fym lil bro💀🙏🙏
@@INVALID_DATA keep on playing roblox you brain dead child
This is a fictional character that is non canon
Rimiru + ultra Drip Manga CC God goku + all fighting anime,movies and comics main characters + all drip VS sung jin wu/woo + no perks
☠☠☠
You can tell hes a Goku downplayer
In reality even if you high ball sung jin woo base Goku still negs
I mean outerversal and immeasurable speed. Goku still negs
not to mention instant transmission
which is INSTANT
@@MaxineP-rime it's atually faster than instant
@@lightinthedark-hw1qd how do you go faster than instantaneous?
@@MaxineP-rime in the metal cooler movie in the diahsenshu for that movie it states that the realm goku access when using instant transmission ( yes it's not just disappear and reappear it's atually him accessing another dimention ) trancends the concept of time and space
Speed formula is distance divide by time
Without space their is no distance and without the concept of time their is no time
Granting goku irrelevant speed if he had to move in that realm
@@lightinthedark-hw1qd huh, neat
Brother goku has speed he shook the entire universe 7 the entire universe 7 being alot of different realms like living world hell heaven kaioshen realm etc all of these have been stated to BE INFINTE MULTIPLE TIMES IN THE DAIZENSHUU the same daisenshu confirmed by THE AUTHOR so no sung jin woo is less then goku terms of speer lets see ur "resistance to erasure" goku has killed immortals and beings resistant to erasure also hax just wont work since dragon ball verse works like if a opponrnt is stronger then their hax is automatically negated example vegeto(candy) vs buu and also gotenks can scream out of the hyperbolic time chamber the same gotenks whos really weak compared to even gohan so goku massively outscales lil bro
God Fusion Goku can beat him.
He literally is beyond fiction because he literally fused with the audience,A THING FROM REAL LIFE
correction: he fused with a single girl from a dimension lower than us. if it was a real person, theyd be currently missing. sorry, but unless theres actual physical evidence of a fictional character interacting with the real world, we cant consider that to be real.
@@CallMeJushy There is also a thing called a "Time Limit"
@@KingRedStickman still, theres no physical evidence of of them interacting with our world.
@@CallMeJushy ...Maybe because they all are probably dead from the fight?
@@KingRedStickman ah.
"bait used to be believable"
How ridiculous
First "travelling an infinite world" is BS, it's not infinite if you can travel it, Idc that this is just a fiction, but bruh even for fiction there's some logic that you can't just swap all over the place or else you'll ruin the measures of the story
Second *sigh* y'all gotta watch/read both series to talk about it
Whomever actually did that, knows damn well that sung jin woo ain't beating Goku
The best you can say about jin, is that Goku might probably be unable to k!ll him
But if you think he's even doing damage to Goku then you're delusional
Your probably one of those Idiots who think Jin woo is Universal when he's way stronger than that
Dude it's fiction.
By definition you can do whatever you can imagine.
Jin woo doing damage to goku is going to be almost impossible but if jinwoo can touch him the fight is over.
I mean Goku does slam Jin woo but it’s obvious db fans can’t acc defend that
Yeah UI Goku solos him
Yeah they somehow forget ALL the crazy cosmology it has and end up like dumbasses
Both are baki victim
@@AdhamggxmixOk explain how he does that
I think goku is currently Multiversal to Multiversal + in the manga. I don't think he is 5D Or above.
He is 5D
@@Samaradoespowerscaling how
@@Koushik7310 he almost destroyed the universe which has multiple realms which are infinite in size even though this is only 4D there is another realm which transcends the mortal universe the mortal universe has dimensions which are space-time the concepts of space-time are 4D and transcending it would be 5D
@@Samaradoespowerscaling but he has to be able to destroy infinite amount of space-time continoums to be able to reach 5D. Goku could scale upto 5D if the Transcending Space-time was solid but if he has that many things contradict's each other in the story inshort plot holes. Many people can scale goku to 5D one way or another but not through destroying space-time because one universe don't have countless space-time contimoums.
@@Koushik7310 also transcends time and space also I meant he almost destroyed a relm which transcends space-time
Goku is city level at best since he’s never even destroyed a planet or even a continent so idk why they put this fodder up against jinwoo
Look idc who wins between goku and jinwoo but damn lowballing goku to city level is wild frieza blows up a planet with no effort back at the beginning of z and Goku beat the crap out of that same frieza and didn't the guy at beginning said that if a character didn't destroy a planet doesn't mean they dont scale above planetary like damn dude
@@JohnPatrickPardilla im joking clearly im just copying what so many dragonball fans do they see someone not blow up a planet and assume they cant be more than city level
@@hotdogkid9015 oh are you XD those people do be like that though lmao
So your saying vegeta saiyan saga who blew up a planet first appearance is stronger than goku god level who never blown up a planet? Yeah don't cook again
@@Thecor13 God dragonball fans are so slow, read the replies before you comment i will never understand how people are this stupid, tbh i cant blame you since you think dragonball is good in the first place my bad for thinking you were intelligent
Goku also immeasurable
This is so ass 😭
Even z goku beats jin woo this isn't close whatsoever
This is some ultra ragebait comment 😭🙏🏻
@@Yamashiro_1 No? Just some facts
@@KurosakiNexusnigga mad the rage bait didnt work😭
1st rule of rage bait dont say its rage bait
@@KurosakiNexus nigga mad the rage bait didn't work💀
Can he defeat bugs Bunny 🤨🤨🤨
This bro is honestly just a Goku hater, no hate or judgment to anyone, but why do people refuse to accept the fact that goku is faster than time since he kept up with metal cooler because cooler could outrun Instant Transmittion(Which is fatser than time) and that his KI is so high that he filled up the world of void with it and shook a place without anything. We also have the fact that AT THE BEGINNING of DBS Goku and Beerus' punches were gonna destroy Universe 7 that included the otherworld. A PLACE BEYOND THE CONCEPT TIME AND SPACE. No wonder he turned off the like and dislikes 💀
You do know that Movie isn't Cannon to Super but is Cannon to Gt Only
@@jahmoymignott4081 DBS still is.
Tbh out of all db fan, u are the most sensible one.@@EmperorKai72
@@ronkgaming9159 Thanks
@@jahmoymignott4081granolah could outrun IT and goku is complex multiversal anyways due to DBS cosmology so he doesn’t even need that feat
Okay just bc someone traverses dimensions doesnt mean its immesurable speeds, if thats the case even BOG Goku has immesurable speed as his ki traversed a whole macrocosm with multiple dimensions with some stated as higher dimensions. Ki scales to the speed to the user so immesurable speed for goku there? Hakai erases u from even the after life, space time and narrative existence, meaning Jin woos immortality aint enough. Just bc ur immortal doesnt mean hakai doesnt work automatically, for example Garlic Jr is immortal but no way he would survive a Hakai from a god. Compared to Zamasus immortality which was granted by SUPER SHERON who has no limits of wishes powers. So yeah Goku drops kick Jin woo
first of all, i did not say that jinwoo has immesurable speed because he transversed a universe infinite in size.
I said that BERU HAS INFINITE SPEED because he transversed the solo leveling universe which was infinite in size. BERU HAS INFINITE SPEED. and jinwoo can EASILY SPEED BLITZ BERU. so what do you think that means for Jinwoo if he can easily speed blitz someone that has at least infinite speed?
Second of all, I didn’t say that that Goku’s hakai wouldn’t work on Jinwoo because Jinwoo is immortal. Hakai wouldn’t work on Jinwoo because JINWOO IS RESISTANT TO EXISTENCE ERASURE. what is hakai? it’s EXISTENCE ERASURE. One of Jinwoo’s haxes (resistance to existence erasure) LITERALLY COUNTERS hakai.
Watch the video next time 🤝🏽
@@ygvicnot to mention, hakai doesn't work on immortals, that's why Beerus sealed elder Kai in the z sword.
teleportation = infinite speed, goku can teleport. but Jinwoo would still woop Goku though.
Strength - Goku > Jin Woo Fodder The shockwave of Goku's punches was going to destroy the whole universe 7 and how big is universe - a single universe of Dragon Ball is 1505x times bigger than our universe = Planets a thousand times bigger than Earth were turning into dust just because of the Shockwave of Goku's punches
Goku lifted the black hole to the top and its weight was - 60 septillion tons
Speed = irrelevant Goku > Jin Woo Fodder MFTL🤌
Erasing power will not work on Goku - cause Goku has survived a power like Hakai in his base form which even immortal Gods get destroyed -
But the power of Hakai that Goku survived was very weak But - { 120 Billion x Base Form Mui Goku Power Lev = 12.6 Septillion }
Strength is right but speed is wrong
Goku does not have infinite speed immeasurable speed max and jin woo is not mftl+ he has moved in places where time doesn't exist and can traverse infinite universes and dimensions.
Also hakai only affects beings weaker than you and jin woos erasure is different from hakai
@@lololololol58.3 First u must understand clearly what goes and what comes - Infinite, Immeasurable, Irrelevant -
@@lololololol58.3 Goku has the same speed as Superman - Superman crossed his mega-sized universe in a few seconds - ( over one novemdecellion times greater than U7 ) - Both Are Immeasurable Speeds
And How big is U7 - DB's single Universe is infinite and inside DB's universe many such places exist which are infinite like heaven - Hell - Inside a Universe exist a Macrocosm and Kaiōshin Realm. Demon Realm - Mortal Real - After Life - Time Chamber
And Many More............
All of these things combine to make a single universe as big as a Complex Multiverse ✋ And current Goku can destroy only in his SS2 form
@@lololololol58.3 All movies - series - animes have the same concept, if u have the power to Erase but ur opponent is stronger than u then u can't destroy him -
@@lololololol58.3 Btw, in Jin Woo's LN, only a single universe has been talked about and it is not even known whether it is infinite or not -
Db fans are the rypes of people to not read their own manga
let me bring up saber in the discussion and they'll stop arguing 😤😤
w saber slams both neg diffff
@@TheReal_ShinoNah bring sun wukong or Mori Jin or karna or arjun
@@Dagoat_113 i bring i am that i am supreme author void empreor
Goku negs
Greed victim 🥱🥱🥱
As a dragon ball fan I accept Rimuru and Jin woo can beat goku everyone except Rimuru is a goat
If you say that means you dont know db that much
They don't even touch z yamcha but you can believe what you want
Have you seen the cover of Rimuru’s anime it’s weird
@@dsm2417he probably does u just don't know solo leveling
@@KurosakiNexus I ain't even gonna say nothing ur just high
Goku destroys Jin Woo. Goku scales to high outerversal+ and 7d+ while Jin-Woo is multi at best. In DBS Hax scales to strength and with that in mind. Goku can negate any haxs that Jin Woo has.
I waited hours, to see this…. Why me?
my bad bro I’ll do better 😂🙏🏽
@@ygvic no it was hilarious I loved it
goku is slower but has better stats everywhere else, unless goku somehow lands an attack, he loses
Goku is faster
@@Hamzacoory Goku has inaccessible speed, jinwoo has immeasurable
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg goku has immeasurable speed?
@@waffleenjoyer-re3pg plus no he doesnt
@@Hamzacoory watch the video carefully and listen to every detail
Isn't it's literally stated in the guide book that dbz universe isn't just a universe but collection of infinite galaxies and stars with there being solar systems that are infinite in numbers like not even making this up anime goku in Majin buu saga alone Solos
We don't need CC goku
And now idk if any of you watched the anime but the explosion from the namek planet which got destroyed alone was powerful enough to be seen from the galaxy
That already scales freiza saga goku to multi solar to low galaxy lvl (low ball)
Me personally
Goku alone Solos from just Majin buu saga z
Tbh i can’t stand sung jin woo lovers cause I understand where there coming from but at the same time there only using the recent goku feats there not using past goku feats it’s like saying saint Pegasus doesn’t beat beerus because he doesn’t have that AP🤓👆 like 9 times out of 10 he did that in the past
Goku DOES has infinite to immeasurable speed, do not use vs battles wiki it's not entirely accurate, at best jinwoo does not have the strength feats to pull that off considering goku scales From Complex Multiversal - Outerversal, and also.. FUCK CC GOKU
Wtf are you talking about?
How is Goku multiversal?
He's not even as strong as black Frieza at this point.
Wouldn't that make him more powerful then Zeno?
@@zaidalvi-r2lzeno is not uni+ he is way above that because he can erase as many universes as he want and his erasure is absolute since it destroys immortals and people immune against erasure and also he already erased 10 universes before T.O.P
@@ylberi1991 wait so
Zeno destroys universes but he's above universal.
Cause he killed immortals
Goku is multiversal, he can destroy the universe and so can most of his enemies but they don't for whatever reason
Goku is below Zeno who destroys universes but he can also destroy universes but he can't kill immortals and....uh uhhh
POWER SCALING IS BULLSHIT
Well one a universe (or microcosm) in dragon ball hold many infinite sized universal realms residing it, making almost threatening to destroy the universe a low multi - multiversal feat in of itself, and this is at the beginning of super as well each arc Goku gets millions of times stronger with insane power creeping, for speed in Z (before the buu arc, goku and pikkon were able to fly from or to the north kais planet from King kais, which they flew over a infinite distance in a pretty quick time aswell, because goku gets millions upon billions of times stronger than in each saga, and the fact was able to outspeed Jiren who was of itself transcends time. Both Jiren and Goku was able to shake the world of void which is a infinite size realm. (Gotta eat so I'll explain a bit more if needed)
@@Dbzdevagamer the problem with this kind of power scaling is that it breaks very easily. If Goku is infinitely fast in z, why does he ever use instant transmission?
Why does Vegeta have trouble getting from yadrat back to earth if he also has infinite speed.
What do you think is more likely
The writers saying:"ah yes, Goku will travel an invite distance and that will establish that he has infinite speed"
Or the writers forgot that other world is supposed to be infinite and wanted Goku and paikkon to go from one place to another
People love bringing up things like characters and places being "beyond the concept of time" whatever tf that means. They forget that the writer just wanted to sound cool.
0:29 literally every goku glazer argument
Also goku glazer 2:42
I watched both animes and read both mangas/novels and if its anime goku one taps but if its light novel/manga jinwoo destroys goku
Oh nah you know its bad when they say sun jinwu stronger than goku
Imma just put this in three points
1. Super goku has the capabilities to destroy sun jinwoo in a 1v1 fight and sunjinwoo being unable to die is absolute cap.
2. Even if sun jinwoo is planetary his power physicaly cannot scale to goku's.
3. sin jinwoo being able to speed blitz amd go across the planet doesnt mean his speed is immeasurable and a hakai doesnt kill u it literally erases you from existence so your technically not dying just being erased ass in the very concept of u is deleted
Did you even watch the video? He literally said jin woo has resistance to erasure you idiot. You haven't even read solo leveling manwha yet.
@@bedwarspro don’t fuck with us dragon ball fans, we haven’t seen our own show
jinwoos speed is immeasurable because even beru can travel the solo leveling verse in a few days which is stated to be infinite. also jinwoo is death itself
@@bedwarspro nah I disagree, I read all solo leveling and is my fave manhwa but even with all I read I see imposible for jin woo to defeat goku like we never actually see him destroy a planet and even if he can the power scaling of db is just too much
@@tristannapier-geg3075ragebait or retarded call it
Yall are tweaking I dont even know what a jin woo is😂
How are we tweaking when you don't even know who Jin woo is if anything u are tweaking 😂
@@orrkomahamud8378 yeah but Im not a grown ass man tweaking out over jin woo who even is he what anime is he from I might watch it cause his character looks cool.
@@emeraldanimetions8382 he is from solo leveling rn there is season 1 season 2 will come soon
@@orrkomahamud8378 wait hes that same guy damn he fogot a glow up
i didnt read ragnarock ( only a lil )or the ln but junwoo was never stated or did kill someone by a touch or was THAT fast the absolute being was stated by the rulers to be weak he made the war between the rulers and monarchs to make these being that jin fights in ragnarock scared of approaching that world and it worked so theyre most likely arent stronger than them and non of them scales( rulers and monarchs ) to universal and when was jin stated to be the grim reaper or immortal like he died and needed ashborns help to come back and even then he wasnt immortal idk if rangnarock just made him crazy but goku is easly faster than him ( the jin woo that i know of )he travel outside of the after life to sacred world of kais both stated to be uneversal in scale in SECONDS thats buu saga goku waht do you think tui goku is like
mui goku can be scaled between high complex multiversal( lowball)
to hight outerversal ( a bit highball) aint no way the jin woo i know of is touching him
You also forgot the favt that shadow soliders are immortal if jinwoo is near
The anime goes in when goku hits super saiyan gardens can punch.Make the universe go around.He can play he's punched and risked the end of the universe.Protect me, goku and his saying guard from alone.Hey can move across the universe in a couple of seconds.So take lee , he's stronger than no shoe anne he came
Dollar cartoon San Diego might be strong but he's not being cosmic armor Superman he's not being cosmic arm of Superman cosmic armor Superman is going to speed with the absolute hell out of something better. He's not finding any more of a comic character because some of anime sit down animators
Even if they fought Goku would find a way TO
Make them friends and they won't fight either way
As a massive goku fan. Jin woo negs goku. Very few goku’s actually beat him
Cap
@@Brayxedit what did I cap about?
@@Stinkychimp-500cap,cap and meatride
@@anjansikder3422 bro your not proving your pint by by being ignorant
@@Stinkychimp-500 exactly with super, manga and cc goku being at the top
Goku does have over infinite speed
What about the Space & Time breaking feats displayed? Goku could just up and destroy that world.
I KNOW YOU AINT TRYING TO START THIS UP AGAIN
Power Abilities Haxs Intelligence FP XP HP durability Weapons goes to
SUNG JIWOO🇯🇵🥶✨
Wins 50/50
Yeah.. Jinwoo ain't Doing squat to goku even if Jinwoo's immortal he ain't ever coming close to making goku use over super saiyan.. The normal sayians already went billions faster then light, The Planet vegeta weak sayians,none of the shadow warriors will do jack shit to goku,One super punch they out,What jinwoo gonna do? Stab him?
Cc goku, cc goku, cc goku was hillerious 😂
Manga goku better than 10x CC goku and CC goku univerblue better than beerus
Jin woo slams
Goku is multiversal
No matter what anyone says, Goku can always win because of that zeno button in his pocket.
At 2:07 that's still infinite speed
There are more feats which put him at immeasurable
Cc goku is out versal 😂😂😂 he solos
Tf is out versal😂😂😂😂
Bro goku is way was faster because goku in the manga move in universe without time that gives him incessable speed
Jin woo literally did the same thing and is faster than beings that have done the same thing
Zeno goku is going to one shot sung jingo
Alright even Though you got the conclusion right you lowballed the hell out of Goku
Goku scales to 5D with immeasurable speed
1D=hypoverse
2D=high hypoverse
3D=any being from human level to universal high level
4D=universal+ to multiversal+
5D=low complex multiversal (5D) up to 6D
7D=complex multiversal (7D) to complex multiversal (9D)
10D=high complex multiversal(10D) to 11D
12D=hyperversal from 12D to any finite dimensional number
∞D=high hyperversal: a structure of infinite dimensionality 1D=hypoverse
Speed:He has immeasurable because he transcends time and space this gives him immeasurable speed as well
Scaling:he is 5D because he almost destroyed the universe the same universe which has multiple realms which are infinite in size
Even though destroying an infinte sized relm is 4D he also almost destroyed a relm which transcends space-time as well as dimensions of the mortal universe this scales him 5D as there are dimensions in the mortal universe which are 4D
Look I am a dragon Ball z effect of Goku fights general he's dying
Goku in his god state was almost destroyed the universe and his god state was absorbed in his base form also Dragonball size is much bigger example namek is as big star and galaxies in Dragonball has infinite solar systems inside of it goku stomped
That's only universal
Jinwoo dimensional
Dimensional>multiversal>universal
@@Makitosenpai nah goku can win
goku is like complex level
@@Henry-gv5zd you can't accept the truth
Jinwoo scales to multiversal. Goku is high outer. And no goku isnt slower than jinwoo. CC Goku can be argued boundless so jinwoo dosen't even scale to that realm nor concept. Jinwoo dosent get past the cell saga, respectfully.
WE AIN'T DENYING THE ILLITERATE ALLEGATIONS 😭😭😭
Yall the type of people to say that z goku beats wukong
Bro you really trying to say cell, the dude whose strongest could barely destroy the solar system, is multiversal. MULTIVERSAL.
I need whatever ur smoking if u think goku is outerversal much less HIGH OUTERVERSAL and cell is solar system level at best garlic beats that kid in cosmic fear mode plus too we talking about canon folk where the he'll u get cc from
@@whiz1233 ???
cc goku and normal goku slam
Gets destroyed badly too many hax
@@harlem1. nah they both slam
No
he won… he actually did it…
he’s won!
Sigma
Goku solo's that fodder
Just by the way you talk you gotta be at most 16. Just enjoy the show dude
@@Akarashii so why are you here and not “enjoying” the show?
@@Isitbeautiful276 it's called a recommended section and already have seem both shows
@@Akarashii ok ? I have seen both shows too 😂
he can be beaten by jin woo but he cant be xenoverse goku cc goku or xeno goku
Why not xeno Goku or cc Goku they both just looked broken and also cc Goku absorbed universal tree power and launched all of it against fuu and xeno Goku ssj3 and xeno Vegeta ssj3 literally was struggling against base Dr weelo and Gohan super Saiyan was fighting toe to toe against him
@@orrkomahamud8378 its the power gap as in XenoVerse lore its stated that one dimension is one timeline
@@Cc_sabor but xenoverse lore uncannon
@@orrkomahamud8378 bruh but XenoVerse lore is accurate to actual dragon ball super superheroes the show which xeno goku is from
@@Cc_sabor dragon ball super heroes ain't cannon either my dude
Idk what this debate is, since I barely know jinwoo. Imma just say Goku wins cuz I like dragon ball.
The video is funny as hell ngl, but I do think this goes both ways. There will also probably be sun jinwoo fans regurgitating the same points over and over while DB fans actually bring up some good points.
Dollar cartoon San Diego might be strong but he's not being cosmic armor Superman he's not being cosmic arm of Superman cosmic armor Superman is going to speed with the absolute hell out of something better. He's not finding any more of a comic character because some of anime sit down animators