This Character Can Beat Goku Easily
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2023
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Kumagawa is more than just his powers, his mindset itself is so warped that he can put people into despair just with his words or presence
talk no jutsu:
finally, a worthy opponent
@@ssharkiggo6432 our battle will be legendary
goku is insane
the more emotional the stronger
@@hardwork......... Insane? Yes. Undefeatable? No.
Removing devils from Chainsaw Man would make them lose a fight against Kumagawa (obviously). But it would also make like 99% happy, considering they just wanna live in peace.
Except Kumagawa can never win a fight, that's a part of his character 😂😂😂
@@etherios5673 exactly, he lost the fight because everyone now has a better life free of devils
I'm not sure they would be happy. If a Devil being permanently removed by All Fiction has the same consequences as when CSM does it, then a lot of things are gonna disappear.
Including some very useful stuff like muscle or the future.
That's way wrong as kumagawa can't beat the overall natural or physical strength of the characters as there still assassin's, spy's and the fact normal human can survive so attacks from monsters attack,so your,the dumbest thing is saying they only have devils abilities
The thing about kumagawa i find so great, is how twisted his sense of reality is. All-Fiction itself wasn't even what it is now when he first got it, his mind is so warped it transformed to be even more terrifying and that's actually so cool to me.
I adore Kumagawa, for all his strength in manga, he constantly loses. (There are conventions here, for example, he easily copes with battles that do not matter to him, but loses where he wants to achieve something) This is due to the fact that he is the embodiment of a loser.Nothing will ever be good for him. But nevertheless, there is one thought in the manga: "Even a loser can win." This is confirmed at the end of the manga, where he "wins" (although before that he still achieved his goal in the battle with the "minus"). Kumagawa passed his arc and grew up as a character, learned how to win. As a reinforcement, he gets the ability to cancel his ability, this is a symbol that he is ready to face problems again that he previously avoided by erasing them. From a "good loser" he turned into a character capable of coping with any failure, so conceptually Kumagawa became the strongest character (At least this is my vision of the character)
what chapter is it confirmed that he won? I only saw that his fight happened off screen.
@@mistake1197 That guy read some fan fiction i think. He lost anyways when he tried his best. Medaka copied his skill and even upgraded it. Kumagawa was always right.
@@tomasdqwx2781 SPOILER OF THE END
Kumagawa effectively never won a fight but at the end he bet that Medaka will came back and she did hence he won because he won his bet something that he never did before
@@sachadossantos7972 That because medaka is born winner. He would always win by betting on her. Problem is that he can t win directly.
@@tomasdqwx2781 Medaka did looses several time so while being a "born winner" it's not 100% true unlike Kumagawa looses and no the problem is that he can't win at all but him acknowledging that find way to get what he want without having to win.
The thing about Giorno is that GER is so conceptually simple and that's half of what makes it so busted. It's basically the most powerful defensive move ever conceptually to the point where anything that beats it literally has to state outright that it supersedes or ignores it. It doesn't mean it can necessarily beat anyone, since it doesn't necessarily imply destructive power, but with Giorno's intelligence it pretty much means that anyone who isn't able to instantly blink him out of existence is fucked.
True but toru and wonder of u has the power that if any of these characters stepped on a pebble it can paralyze them or kill them
And soft and wet is insta killl and tw oh rewrite them out of history
Please who's tw
@@acesgaming9467 Tw stands for the world, twoh stands for the world over heaven
and also dont forget about hamon , spin , vampirism , GUNS , and other shit like the charactesrs are also very strong
@@cardcolector4178 is the world over heaven canon ?
Hell yeah, my favorite Manga of all times! I've been telling that story for years, but people don't believe me or think the series is bad when I tell them how powerful Kumagawa is. For the game itself, you forgot one important rule: The Universe hates Kumagawa, so he can never win. At best, he can get a draw or hand his opponent a Pyrrhic victory. The times he "wins" in the manga, it's because his stated objective is not what the main cast wish to happen. Real Score should be 0-14 for him.
2:40: actually, the power is sentient and brings him back to life by itself, I forgot which chapter, but Kumagawa mentions that he tried to let himself die and the power still activates.
100% agree. Kumagawa cannot let himself win, since that would ruin his image of being the lowest, the most Minus amongst Minuses. And if we don't include the popularity polls (which he won ever single one after his introduction by landslides) then he ever won once in the entire series, and that was when he bet Medaka would be back from stopping the moon before graduation. And she showed back up about ten seconds after the graduation ended.
i wish they continued with the anime. Kumagawa deserve more screen time like 1 to 2 seasons worth
exactly,i have been telling many people too,but they dont agree
@@ERESHKIGALNIGHTCORE the anime literally ended right before the manga became amazing. The Minus Arc felt like it's when the series finally found its footing.
@@overseerpjoe9477 yeah that is true,but i think thought that they would get more views as a manga rather than as a anime.and it is true,more have read the manga than anime
A simple way to win most/all of these is him thinking "All types of energy in this world except for my own will have never existed"
thats pretty true or physical strength cause most of those verses are crazy in that area
Pretty sure that's very dumb. Because photon (light energy) will lose so all everything will turn dark and he also lost his vision and so much more of him will be reap because it's never belong to him but the Existence itself. Only things that remain only the power of All Fiction
That’s what I’m saying imagine if he removed kinetic energy
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@@0_B_A doesn't matter as bleach depend on spiritual and most notable verses depent on both physical and spirtual energy plus why would he do it andwould he have enough time as these characters are massively faster than light
You can limit him to just 1 move.
He basically have to say "No one exists except him" the fight is over. 😮💨
Dude, you should make this a section where you talk about incredibly strong characters! You could make a video about Accelerator, too!
That... Is actually a really great idea! Thanks for that, I'll definitely work on that!
Ay, my man Accelerator gonna get a talk?
Bro I was just about to say Accelerator -_-
If Aizen just makes him think alive after he's killed him, can't Aizen seemingly kill Kumagawa without him knowing?
Yea, except All Fiction activates automatically upon death independent of his thoughts so Aizen fucking with his head like that wouldn't mean much if anything at all.
also he could just say "oh spirtual energy doesnt exist" and boom aizen cant beat him
Kumagawa can just say "you don't have a shikai release or bankai release"
aizen can negate hax if the opponents are way weaker than him so all fiction shouldnt even work on him if kumagawa is way weaker
@@MadoMacid oh but dear sir (or ma'am) there is one stark difference kumagawa is self aware and has read and watched all manga and anime sooo if he wanted he could just say that the bleach manga never existed and poof aizen is gone, no amount defense he has would save him. There are also kumagawa's screws that could just make him a normal human if he gets touched by them soooo yeah.
I was hoping you would put him up against the Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo universe, because I’m curious as to if Hajike could maybe find a way to beat him or something like that.
Bobobobo would win, because all fiction would not work since bobobobo can outdo reality warper. You get thanos with the infinity stone, and all he say, it candy and eat them, and thanos is powerless, or popeye and he will rig the fight and turn his spinach into cabbage.
With this fight, he will rig it too make him win or that he is immune since reality has no meaning on bobobbobbo
Might guy and rock lee does not have any chakra the aura around them is just a lot of sweat. To prove this when kishame tried to absorb his charkra while might guy was using fifth inner gate he was not able to do it and when kishame asked might guy told hime about the sweat aura thingy
BTW nice videoes💗💗
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The power of instant death
Bro is beyond unfair
finally found the right comment
well rimuru would still be the most op atleast in the end
but can he survive being killed?
He and the guy would probably draw or kinda are the same thing. Since they're similar but it's still two different universes we can't really say how it would go..
@@LargeMetalCube yes. Yes and yes. From what I've read, dude is basically (spoiler below)
The end incarnate, like the **end** incarnate.
Hao from shaman king usually comes to my mind when I think about OP as hell characters or anyone who can beat Goku like Rimuru, Anos, Giorno, Saint Seiya & Sailor Moon
Finally people are giving him the love he deserves
He's been getting attention from tiktok powerscalers who know nothing about his manga and only know he can erase stuff, but I've seen him get love he deserves in some places yeah
@@pingspoofer832 OK cool, and if u really know him
You'd know he never win any fight, it ends in a draw at best.
He is the greatest loser
He can erase the concept of saiyan, marital arts buts that's about it.
You can't take away strength n ki, n if he can screw Goku that will make Goku the same as him.
also if kumagama made himself immortal and got rid of, chi and magic in the db verse, there are a lot of techniques used such as ultra instinct and destruction that the gods use to kind of break the laws of physics to turn matter into nothing (but into energy really, which makes annihilation) But I don't know, a lot of things to consider
Kumagawa IS immortal, all fiction makes him immortal.
Kumagawa vs demon slayer = remove breathing
So basically, he gets rid of breathing, right?
@@sinfuladam they just insta die
@@blitz_cuby5450 i’m asking you Does he get rid of the ability for them to breathe or does it get rid of the techniques of breathing?
@@sinfuladam the ability to breathe so he loses
@@blitz_cuby5450 so the concept of breathing he takes away from the world right
Hasn’t he also read all manga and pieces of fiction in the multiverse or is that just ajimu?
He reads manga as well
He's a huge dragon ball fan so I really doubt he'd actively try to fuck up any of the DBZ cast
@@pingspoofer832yes I agred
I'm very happy to hear someone talk about Kumagawa Misogi and Medaka Box
This is Gold- Kaito Mischief
To determine the Strongest/Powerful Anime Character is to determine the most superior, highest Dimensional, detailed anime verse's Strongest character.
Probably Hajun, but the strongest Fictional Character in my opinion is the strongest fictional verse with the strongest character belongs to the SCP Foundation verse, because for what I've heard the SCP Verse belongs to everyone and anyone that has made an SCP has an influence on to how Big the Dimensionality, Scaling, cosmology the SCP verse gets
While Shows like DBZ and OPM can only be influenced by a 1 or 2 or more authors the SCP verse is just the ultimate Verse with the internet as it's author.
Well, there is also The World of Darkness. I don't have much experience with it but from what I've seen it's comparable to SCP and even above a lot of characters. Hell, humans from that universe can be busted if they know what they're capable of.
Whose Hajun?
@@namesdontmattergaming2756 a boundless God from Shinza Bansho who has a complex explanation for how scaling in his verse works and he transcends all things or something like that. I think someone said he beat two other boundless beings with 3 fingers or something.
The Chinese SCP foundation can be stronger but not strongest in fiction, there are fanmade stuff and chinese mythology, japanese mythology stuff, Buddhism and Hinduism
Lord Shiva third eyes and Lord Buddha are that just boundless being and beyond human comprehension
What about Bobobo?
Small correction for 9:00
Its not magic, but Ethernano that are the source of all power in Fairy Tail. (well, mainly you also have demono particles that use curse instead of spell or Being cursed by a God that leads to concept manipulation, like Life and Death)
Ethernano are nanoparticles that exist within a planet athmosphere, once they are absorbed by a mage (usually at rest, with a specific bonus organ they have) they will convert it into magic power over time.
And magic power is used to use spell and magic. (Ethernano can also support anti-magic spell)
But you can have entity inside of the Fairy Tail universe that have infinite magic power without the need of Ethernano (or vice versa) like Fairy Heart.
Or a breach in space-time that create a true void fill with temporal magic power.
Basically converting ethernano into magic automatically without the need of time or space.
You also have fusion power inside Fairy Tail, with Etherion and Wall Eatho body. (particles fusion that can reach 200 millions degree Celsius)
Or power that bypass concept such as time, space, invulnerability to fire and infinity. (See how Natsu can just get angrier and burn those)
Its because emotion are also linked to magic, with ''Love'' being the first one.
For the range of the concept of ''magic'', there is also spell which magic can reset countless timeline branch, like Neo Eclipse. (Basically reaching outside of time itself)
And finally for the most recent chapters of 100 Years Quest, there are also now Guns and Alchemy in FT.
So yeah, I get the power but trying to cancel all of that with one short thought is probably impossible.
I can see removing Ethernano, removing demono particles and removing Alchemy.
But what about Fairy Heart? Or object charged with magic power prior to All Fiction use, like in Edolas? (And all the other tech they have to fight too)
For me he don't have the point. (He can remove the atmosphere of Earthland and kill 99% of the main cast overtime though)
In that case, our score is 7-6, pretty close sheesh.
a small correction...?
I aint Reading all that
@@damdoggy5630 Took me about 3 mins to write so yes
"so yeah, i get the power but trying to cancell all of that with one short thought is probably impossible" kumagawa erased the whole concept of colors once, erasing by addition: bloodlose, damage, etc. just by thinking the colors just don't exist
dude he is invincible,all he has to do is use all fiction and all the universes cease to exist
no one is immune to his power other than him,he can even basically make himself immortal
Flaw. All fiction activates automatically when he dies.
Hakai will take care of that
@@Paragonscales ...you do realise that all fiction overwrites anything that affects him right?
Against a character like yogiri Takatou though, either they'd be at a draw, or it just wouldn't happen at all cause their powers are so very similar..
Though, I'm pretty sure yogiri has a good chance to win since there's a possibility he might just be "the end" incarnate but it's hard to say.
(Yogiri is from "Instant Death fyi)
@@randomthings8732 oh he would definitely win that battle, since Yogiri is the Complete Embodiment of the End after all, since much like everybody else Kumagawa also has an End after all, since if Kumagawa even thinks of killing, attacking or harming Yogiri, he would die Instantly without him realizing what happened, since Instant Death instantly without any delay would kill anyone that thinks to harm Yogiri from Existence itself, it would even kill his Parent so that he wouldn't been born and existed in the first place really
With DBZ, Kumagawa could just make Martial Arts and Non-Human Sentient life forms "fiction" so that could've been a point to him for DBZ
I think Mystical Goku from DB-GT can fight back Kumugawa or all fiction cuz cuz Goku is already omnipotent omnipresent no time exist on him or limit after he fuses as a dragon god
@@777gersbruh Goku ain't shit, he isn't even top 10 in his own anime, stop trying to always make Goku win with any character out there, if he isn't even powerful in his own anime just don't bring him up.
@@lookherelooklisten7850first stop projecting, second Goku is actually powerful scaling to low comp multi, lastly nobody cares about your rage bit and I don't remember kumagawa blizting a time skipper, nearly destroying his universe whilst also having feats of beating people who walks through a time prison like a morning also that little power he has is useless if he can't back it up with actual strength he's getting gut checked and killed the moment the fight starts
@@lookherelooklisten7850 Genuine question can people in his verse destroy multiple universes also dragon ball like 12 universes are all 6-7D structures it's no big deal
I’m curious as to how many uses it would take to neutralize the Persona/SMT series.
Two would already need to be used to get rid of demons and personas. As for the third, he would have to choose between either: Getting rid of special cases (Demifiend and The Nahobino), getting rid of alternate worlds (TV World, Tartarus, the Metaverse), or getting rid of shadows
Problem with this is that no amount of uses would allow him to neutralize. Like, all the things you mention, they're capable of coming back from outright existence erasure, and often wield conceptual manipulation on a FAAAAR greater scale than All Fiction.
@@mr_dino4222 How so?
@Wolfhero Johnson The Phantom Thieves get essentially All Fiction'd near the end of P5, but get erased from KNOWLEDGE as well as existence. They ignore it and make themselves exist anyway. Many other far more powerful entities would be capable of similar things, assuming All Fiction could even do anything to them to begin with, which, on the scale that SMT functions, is highly doubtful.
Also, a thing I didn't mention in my prior comment that makes it even *less* possible for All Fiction to work is Observation. Observation is a metaphysical force in SMT, including Persona, that essentially makes it so that anything one perceives as real, is. Generally, the more powerful an entity in the series is, the more powerful their Observation, with one exception: humanity. An individual human's Observation is incredibly weak, not really affecting anything, but it has compounding effects across the incredibly highly complex multiverse that is the franchise, to the point that CHEMTRAILS, for example exist as a Demon. As long as either a powerful entity or the collective humanity believes something to be real, All Fiction simply can't impact it, and the list of such things is as follows:
Demons
Gods
Humanity(and by extension shadows and personal, as they are parts of humans)
Basically everything else.
Adding onto all of this, if he somehow knew about Observation to try and All Fiction that, he'd now be facing the wrath of The Axiom for messing with its gift to mankind, who would respond by erasing him from existence, history and thought, and then reinstate Observation anyways making the one thing worth affecting that he could even hope to, pointless.
@@mr_dino4222 Huh. No wonder Persona scales to multiversal
yeaaah but all fiction just brings him back from the erasure, kumagawa's all fiction activates automatically when he gets killed and he returns back, he cant die, dudes basically immortal, more in the manga that is when he gets non fiction and one hundred guantlets wich he can destroy restore and make anybody piss they're self only by his thought, upgraded minus all fiction can just erase the concept no matter what.@@mr_dino4222
What if for DC and Marvel, Kumagawa used all fiction by erasing the concept of superheroes, supervillains, and the concept of species other than humans? Would that still work?
a little late but no, he couldn't because of the gap is cosmology and their are some Tier 0 characters in both so even f he did it wouldn't matter because they scale above him and would just be unaffected
@@000-v7j that does make a lot of sense. Thanks for your input.
Haven't read Medaka Box in 10 years but immediately remembered Kumagawa when I saw the thumbnail.
The tv remote solos just gotta shut off the tv 💀
didn't he have a sealing ability too? y'know when Ashinshin-san appear for the first actual time, she has multiple screw that was sealing most if not all of her power? so, i reread chapter 151 and bookmaker is not just turning people to be just like him, its also a seal. Ashinshin-san can break the seal after 3 years with her 4 quadrillion skills. so it doesn’t mean much if the bookmaker is used against Medaka or Ajimu, but for other people that’s the worst thing ever happened
It’s bookmaker
Actually there is an answer to "Can Kumagawa beat X?" and its "Nope." He will lose every time. He'll always justify any win other than an absolute clear win without using any of his abilities as a loss, a cheap trick, or another "unreal win". Nihilism is a cruel mistress, and his powers will always ensure he loses every fight he is in. Why? He cannot IMAGINE his own victory. Its a plot point.
He still defeated other characters in terms of fighting abilities, if we compare him with another character in terms of fighting abilities, should we really consider his personality? In this case, the winner is just who is more powerful and skilled at fighting, his personality should be another matter, no?
This is interesting somebody remember X🫡
You talking about kamui? it's been decade if my memory serve correctly Kamui's ability is destruction not but... he was the literal Destruction unlike Beruss from Dragon ball Super
Would love to see this guy fight Bobobo-bo-bo-bobo,would honestly just be the greatest piece of chaos and twist to any animation.
Basically he's the Narrative control characters from that episode of Rick and Morty.
Even if Goku got hit with a flat screw, he'd still be dangerous. Even without strength or a high power level, the techniques and tricks Goku knows alone make him pretty busted. You'd have to make the entire concepts of martial arts and ki fiction
I mean he could just think that Goku universe is fiction and win that way
@@logan12satcom83 better yet, just make all sayians fiction. that one action removes some of the biggest hurdles.
@@pompouspourpous9828pretty much. Saiyans, Angels and Gods are fiction and thats gg
“What do you mean, sayians don’t exist” boom clapped game over
We must remind you how capable Goku is.
One problem is that you could just erase all supernatural phenomenon in one use
My personal opinion.
I belive there something that can rival it.
In Sora no otoshimono.There is a building called Rule.
The Rule is a high tech device which can grant you any wish.
Similar to all fiction.
You can ask it to make yourself immortal.
Or isekai you ,turn your bad day into a dream.
Erase concept of death,bring dead people back anything.
However the anime is not about the Rule so you won't get much of it.
But by description it will grant you any of your desires.
I had a feeling he would be the topic of this video.
You didnt also mention his Imagination Manifestation which isn't even considered a skill that medaka can copy. Since its literally his own sheer willpower that brings things to existence. This is how he makes his endless supply of screws. Hell he could even make any weapon and give it any ability or property he wants. He just uses screws because he thinks its stylish. Theres also his Hundred Gauntlets which he can use to reverse cause and effect. Broken as hell.
Sorry for asking these things now, but:
- when was it stated and/or demonstrated that he can give any ability and property he wants to what he creates, without any limit, if this is what you meant?
- can he actually use Hundred Gauntlets? It seemed that it was just a part still not twisted of All Fiction, which just made All Fiction complete. Also, I theorize that Hundred Gauntlets got distorted completely when Misogi obtained Non-Fiction, since Non-Fiction should be a perfect, complete All Fiction and maybe All Fiction wasn't complete because Hundred Gauntlets hadn't been twisted completely yet
@@davidedavide2100all fiction was already beyond insane, but non-fiction? an even more insane version of all fiction? oh god
@@Fau499 Yeah, All Fiction had the limit that it couldn't be used on it's own effect and then it evolved surpassing this limit and Misogi named the evolution of All Fiction "Non-Fiction"
@@Fau499 Is All Fiction really beyond insane though? It is indeed cool, powerful and dangerous
@@davidedavide2100 like I meant it being so broken that it's beyond insane trying to fight against it, but the fact there's an even stronger version of it
I'd love to see how All Fiction VS DIO Over Heaven/The World Over Heaven would go. Both powers can manipulate reality, so it seems like a fair fight. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Dio over heavens ability is limited to his hands and not a passive like kumagawas but if Dio stops time before kumagawa does anything then he would win
I think wou would also be able to counter all fiction because since it is a automatic stand if all fiction will harm it’s user it can just reflect it as calamity since that ability exist in the realm of logic
I thought medaka box was just a calm anime about two people going around and doing task but one episode EVERYTHING changed and I was shocked that's, why o love medaka box so much
You should look at takato yogiri from the manga instant death. He has probably, if not the most, broken power in all of fiction that allows him to kill anything.
not really their are tons of people who can erase their death or just come back for example kumugawa can erase his death and lots of them have soul minip so that is most of the time insta death and even if it's permanent some could just ignore it and still come back
@random smart guy the thing that makes it so broken is that they can't just ignore it. If someone has immortality or an ability that keeps them from dying, he can just kill it.
@@randomsmartguy9544 it's just that you can't ignore it. Either way you die, you literally can't escape death as long as he say it.
@@cooldude9755
and kumagawa can just erase the existence of that ability.
all fiction is one directional omnipotence in that theres no limit to what it can erase including itself.
@@uteriel282
Well, you see it's not a ability, some spoilers
(English is not my first language, so any error please understand)
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Yogiri is in actually the concept of The End in itself, if all things have a path Yogiri is the end of that path
So Yogiri can "kill" All Fiction, because All Fiction path ends within Yogiri
Which means in a fight between them the first to use their ability wins, considering that All Fiction could erase the concept of The End
lol i like whole universes are seen as "underdogs" against this guy
Insane
Finnaly someone did it
I suppose it comes down to outpacing the speed of thought, right? most characters get their asses kicked because they aren't faster than his thoughts, but of course, there's concepts like Hakai and the Shadow Realm, which are debatable.
Even if they outpace his thoughts it doesn't really mean much. They wouldn't be able to actually kill him making them attacking him fast kinda not mean much
All-Fiction would undo his death automatically, he doesn't need to think about it, so speed blitzing, like so many comments are saying, wouldn't do anything. They would kill him, and he would get right back up.
Being sent to the Shadow Realm, or being sealed away somehow, is also something he could undo. In fact, there was a story arc in Medaka Box where a bunch of characters got sealed away, including him, and he was the first one to get out. So, that wouldn't work.
Hakai/something to erase his existence would work, since All-Fiction can't undo undoing something. However, he gets a new ability in the epilogue chapter called Non-Fiction, that allows him to undo undoing something, so he could possible come back from being erased from existence with Non-Fiction the same way he comes back from being dead using All-Fiction.
@@overseerpjoe9477 No prove he can come back from non existence?
@@Paragonscales I just said that he has a power that can undo the erasure of existence. I'm not 100% saying that he could some back from being hakai'd or whatever, just making conjecture.
Since he has All-Fiction that brings him back from dying, it wouldn't be that hard to assume he could come back from erasure with Non-Fiction.
@@overseerpjoe9477 Not soul erasure but physical maybe
I feel like truth and anti spiral are some characters that have potential to be the strongest
in what sense like in fiction then if yes absolutely not
@@Scarlett0987 I think In all of anime
@@psychic-friend-toy-freddy There are better stronger characters like let's say Kami Tenchi
@@shubhamsonsurkar3782 ok
The gates don’t use chakra in Naruto such as when lee use’s it because it is stated that lee was born without chakra
The problem with fights like this as soon as you get to the point where the characters have reality altering powers there is no reason in arguing in them fight cuz the winner is the authors choice
rimuru survived deletion, like, the enemy deleted his existence, his ENTIRE existence, past, future, all of it, but he survived it, deleting the universe would not kill him.
great vid, keep it up!:) i agree with everything except Anos. he's shown in season 1 already that he stands above multiversal concepts and above the erasure of those concepts. Anos would mop the floor with him pretty easily as no conceptual things can bind him
hajun slowly laughing in the back waitng for his time
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I'd argue Akuto Sai would be stronger with his Causality Manipulation, Acausality, and all the other abilities. But no doubt that Kumagawa is indeed a force to be reckoned with.
I just believe that All Stories > All Fiction. Yeah ik it isn't called All Stories but it's basically what it is.
Also, another comment of mine, yes, I've been thinking about the GER vs All Fiction thing, and I'm pretty sure that All Fiction would INFACT be able to stop Return to Zero, the explanation wouldn't just be erasing the stands, it'll probably be about something self inflicted, as I've thought, if All Fiction can erase concepts, that means it can also affect the user since I'm sure it wasn't specified to be stopped in that, so, a trick that Kumagawa could do would just remove the limit of his abilities entirely, meaning that if he tries to use all fiction right after, it'll surpass the ability of Golden Experience Requiem, hence, All Fiction being limitless in that case, it'll probably work as a "No, just no." and that'll be it, but I don't really know, I still have to read Medaka box
(Note: Imagine Breaker can also work against Golden Experience Requiem, crazy!!)
Ger cantvsolo fiction sir
He can get blitz by goku and many others
@@marley8684 goku cant beat ger dummy, atleast not until he starts attacking on an outerversal level
@@yoaveragelostmain1862 im pretty sure goku can beat ger
@@gh0stofkiraokay find a way to stop RTZ with goku power,find it,first step to be able to fight ger
Yep, truth. AF can beat GER because it's better version of GER. GER only works like one of the AF passives. AF is higher tier ability. I mean, if sunlight damage Giorno's body (which it fucking does by default to any human being) GER should erase the concept of stars wether Giorno wants it or not. GER can't do that. AF can do that.
Great video. Just for fun of argument, I will try to explain some strength and weakness of All fiction. Minus abilities, that minuses uses are pretty different from others abilities. Basically they aren't minuses because they have minus abilities, but have minus abilities, because they are minuses. Minus abilities are bug created for life, experience, mentality and whole reality of person. This is their strength and weakness. On one hand, it's very hard, if not impossible to completely destroy minus ability, because it's source is its user. Best you can seal it or made it weak. But they are defined by it's user, so id person change, their ability can too. Bookmaker did grow weaker after KM fight with Medaka where he admitted his loss and was happy about it. So talk no jutsu or therapy could actually affected his skills. Actual nature of them as bug allows them resist similar skills that operates on similar principles of bug/mistakes/flaws because they already bug. Similarly other minus abilities can resist little against All fiction. KM was able to resist this way against bug principle used by superior system of abilities. Another weakness of of minus abilities are connection between people. Skills and concepts based on connection, communication and interactions between people can resist all fiction, it isn't perfect, it depends on how strong All Fiction is, but it's definitely best defense against it. So, even weaker powers, if they are based on connections can defeat him. KM could beat Frieza like nothing, but could be defeated by some generic hero who use powers of friendship to power up holy sword that can at best cut mountain. Spirit bomb from DB that collect power from people should be able to resist erasion too, but probably couldn't kill him for good. Ironically, Jedi are really good counter for this ability (he could screw them different ways) and Force should be immune to him, as collection of life force of all living things etc. Last weakness of all fiction is that can only change real thing into fiction, not necessarily only things made of matter, he can erase memories, but couldn't stop efekt of colour manipulation that uses illusion of colors. He colored him as he was beaten and his body reacted as if he really was etc. Best way to look at minus abilities is také them as something operation on different rules of reality and overwriting our rules. They don't care how strong attack is or where it hits, but what is base of attack. Because of it, these abilities are quite unpredictableunpredictable. Important is, KM is crazy (and) powerful fighter even without All Fiction and I wouldn't want to have him as enemy.
even his name transcends my mind i cant ever remember it
Kumagawa is great but we all truly know that ajimu is strongest if we're not using medaka with plot armor
didn't kumegawa beat ajimu? this was before even gaining all fiction.
@@poopoo7107 he sealed her with book maker
@@tyson8149 yea which is a crazy feat considering he's way stronger than he was at the time
@@poopoo7107 the story works in an odd ways its already clear that ajimu is beyond everyone but she never really tries to interfere cause every time she tried the author steps in. Ajimu is consider to be one of the strongest anime/manga characters ever. While kumagawa all fiction Is powerful its was ajimu 100 gauntlet first. And does get given back. For example medaka winning is guaranteed no matter who it is cause that's how the story is. If you were to drop the whole db series from Canon to non Canon into the medaka box story medaka would win
@@tyson8149 i mean yea because "plot" is just the most busted part of a story, if it wasn't presant, ajumu should by all means be on a whole diff level from medaka, that being said i doubt plot would ever favor misogi, so i still count it as a win since even ajimu was threatened enough by bookmaker to take it away, only to realise that she made a mistake after all fiction appeared
Couldn’t Kumagawa make it fiction that his power is ONLY for making stuff fiction? Then his power could also just edit reality.
How did I guess this character just from that thumbnail I only ever heard of this character fron a short months ago
Him vs SCP-682 that thing legit stopped existing and adapted to it to make himself exist again. He is so overpowered that I can’t name all of them.
i have a theory, will kumagawa's all fiction even work a against fictional characters? because they already are fictional characters, so what's kumagawa gonna do?
Erase the concept of fiction, any concepts can be erased as long as he thinks about it. I mean if fictional characters were to fight him they would no longer be fiction would they?
@@pillowmaster4818 but can the concept of concepts be erased I wonder? If so, then his power becomes useless. You can't erase something that technically doesn't exist.. Also, I think that might just end the universe so nvm
Question, for jjk how would Kumagawa fair against Toji? Sure he uses cursed weapons but he's still strong as hell without them.
Well if Toji dont get screwed then he win probably ? I dont know
Bro can still just erase him out of existence I think
If he could he would won in his own manga i think? Did he erase someone ??? I dont know
He could erase Heavenly Restrictions which is the reason why Toji is strong. Also erasing curse energy may already cancel Heavenly Restrictions since those rely on either taking away your cursed energy for a stronger body or giving you more cursed energy in exchange a weaker body.
Wait Toji is strong because of that ? I thought he was strong because he is strong even if he dont have cursed energy
What about Stain? Even without his quirk phisicaly the man is a fucking beast. And even then he has that bloodlust ability
wow didn't know about this anime its cool to see
there are literally people that can negate this dudes power, like hajun for example, he is a boundless being, A.K.A, A tier 0 being which means he isn't bound to concepts nor anything of that, even though Kumagawa isn't bound to concepts.
nuh uh bro, boundless is too overkill, take someone else who is not bound to reality, then they already solos kumagawa
@@joyd7530 akuto sai
he is only tier 1-A, or high outerversal
@@joyd7530 scp-682, lucifer morningstar, featherine, the batman who laughs and many more
yeah thats it 🗿🍷
Actually you just remove chakra And they all die because if you Run out of chakra in The naruto universe You Die
Wait, really?! Boy, I thought they'd at least have a bit of a chance, not that they'd get wiped out instantly! XD
Kuwa- i don't remember his name
Just Uses Science fiction
Chakra just didn't even existed
If you take off from like Naruto his all chakra he dies
But that ability is different
@@arandomweeb1 now compares kumagawa to scp
@@arandomweeb1 also hajun is the strongest anime character
Gag characters : write that down write that down!
The world over heaven: Oh, so your approching me?
I think that Darkstalker from wings of fire (a book series about dragons) could beat Kumagawa because Darkstalker has the powers of being immortal, being able to read minds, being a dragon (which makes him super strong, super smart, super fast and he can fly), being able to see into almost an infinite amount of futures and he is an “Animus”( which makes it so anything that Darkstalker thinks/says comes true but the one thing he can’t do is bring humans or dragons back to life) for instance Darkstalker could think/say enchant myself to be immune to any of Kumagawa’s attacks/magic or think/say enchant this pebble to go at the speed of light into Kumagawa’s head then get logged inside of his brain then explode with the power of 100 atom bombs but only have the blast radius of 10 meters(so I doesn’t destroy the hole country) or he could think/say enchant Kumagawa to not have any powers. So that’s why Darkstalker could beat Kumagawa in a fight.
This is assuming Kumagawa dosnt just say "immortality is gone" "Animus are gone" "dragons are gone"
Kumagawa could just erased those concepts bro 😂
Problem here is that ppl like rimuru & anos have resistances to things that could effect their existence of himself and his abilities although he could effect other things i'm 99% sure there's nothing he can do to straight get rid of ppl like anos and rimuru. Rimuru even has the ability to accidently destroy universes like his move turn null. I will edit this if i realize something different.
Yeah but this man can just erase you by just thinking it, resistance or not you just dont exsist to him
@@otakufengmin1582 ok but what if you're resistant to being erased? what if the concept of not existing cannot be applied to you?
unfortunately, people like rimuru pretty much live and die by their system, take that out and they become way more managabe, so making it so that the system would have never existed should be enough
@@poopoo7107 Possibly
@@zxbplayshdKumagawa could just erased the concept of "Resistance" and boom he can completely erase him now lol
Goku so Iconic everybody can't stop trying to find a way to kill him
Hmmm i see some potential in this video ❤❤❤
If Goku is serious at the start, he speedblitz.
Seriously tho, he's more than a million times faster than light itself in base.
No, All fiction activates automatically when he dies. Basically making him immortal.
@@hwumair7693 No he can die
"He just has to think in order to activate All Fiction" that implies he can think before Goku could actually hit him "He can cover large areas with screws easily" Very vague and doesn't tell how fast he could do it, meaning that stuff like speed blitz would easily work on bro. "He is very fast and strong" that's also very vague. I'm only 3 minutes in and there's so many holes in your arguments, convince me how he wins with the rest of the 15 minutes you have.
Basically a single punch from a base Goku is enough to destroy the macrocosm of universe 7 which consists of multiple universe sized world's. He's also so skillful that he could suppress his strength to such a degree where a tiny planet such as Earth isn't even destroyed in a clash of battle IQ and even if he can't suppress his strength due to his opponent being of close strength of his base form which could destroy universe 7. He has the skill and battle IQ required to match up with the opponents strength and movements perfectly to legit negate the effects of the shockwaves created from their blows. He's also been training in Martial Arts since he was 5 years old and maybe even younger that's that. Also as you said whenever Goku is on the brink of death his abilities are multiplied exponentially and on top of his multiversal base form he has multiple transforms which act as multipliers to those forms. With all that said about his strength, moving onto his speed; Son Goku is seen literally dodging beams of light as a child, meaning that Kid Goku has speeds beyond that of light. There's also a scan that shows that power level = speed so we can use that. Teen Goku > Kid Goku, Raditz > Teen Goku, Nappa > Raditz, and as shown Goku absolutely speed blitzed Nappa when he entered Kaioken. If Kid Goku has FTL scaling then at around Namek Saga, Goku would have MFTL+ scaling. Since I don't wanna keep doing the > stuff for too long lemme just skip to the finale of DBZ, at the end of DBZ Goku had been beatdown multiple times giving him extreme speed multipliers, had been in a different dimension to train for years in order to increase PL and therefore speed, had fought against beings like Cell and during each battle he had grown as a fighter. This all means that at this point Goku is around millions of times the speed of light. But that's not it, in Super he goes Super Saiyan God and absorbs that power before going on and training to become even stronger, in other words not only has bro entered the realm of gods; man has trained to achieve levels beyond that of the gods. Not only that but he has an ability called Z-Vanishing, which is literally moving so fast that you can even see Goku move. He's also durable enough to tank attacks from Cell, who's strong enough to destroy a solar system, Kid Buu who's easily large galaxy level, and Beerus; who's stronger than the Current Goku. Meaning that he can rank attacks from people stronger than him. With all that said, this bozos getting curbstomped. If the minimum requirement of "All-Fiction" is thinking and thinking requires electric signals to be sent across your brain to even process what you're thinking about which happens faster than we can see. I'm pretty sure that Goku having speeds that rivals gods is way faster than bro. Also, you forgot to mention that the universe hates this fodder dude, so reality will do whatever it takes so that Goku wins. It was a fun fight, but Goku still solo.
I mean if were thinking about this from a character perspective goku loses
@@beef3442 true true
Well explained man
This is a well done explanation only problem is that Goku would have trouble actually making him stay dead as All-Fiction automatically activates upon his death and brings him back at full health so he only needs goku to slip up once to take the W.
Dude speed isn't necessary as kumagawa can erase the time it takes to beat his opponent for himself giving him beyond BS level of instantaneous speed
I loved that I could tell from the silhouette that this was Misogi Kumagawa. All fiction is busted.
ok that's pretty cool
Goku faster than light Quadrillion times
And Giorno?
Goku can speed blitz
Giorno maybe can cancel that power when he already knows what is that could be
But Kuwa- i don't remember name of that guy
Uses that thing faster than giorno can react and reverse.
How giorno can reverse without his stand?
Goku have clearly advantage in Base power and Speed and ect without ki
Kid goku was already faster than light in Og dragon ball
Namek Saga goku was faster than light 100 times and maybe more
And Goku after Tournament of power is almost in Level of Fusion
Base goku from end of T.o.p = Vegito blue from Future trunks saga
Goku got Insane power boost, and i am talking about Ultra instinct, His base power is sky rocketed
First encounter with Berserk Kale:
Super Saiyan blue goku < Berserk kale
And Battle between Kale and Caulifla vs Goku
Super Saiyan 2 < Legendary super Saiyan 2 kale
Its when goku was exhausted
Base power of goku without ki is still insane
And his speed also Insanely high
And all of this would be relevant if Goku didn't have a personality. He's the kind of person to let his enemy prepare for a fight before he starts fighting. AKA he can get off an all-fiction that won't allow him to die. So speed blitzing is irrelevant.
@@beef3442 (눈‸눈)
I was saying about his speed even without ki
I know that guy uses all fiction
But goku's speed and Durability and Power is still insane
@@alibeknorbekov5963 I can agree on that
@@beef3442 all fiction activates automatically upon death so speed blitzing is useless, ah well.
@@randomthings8732 oh I didn’t know that
No dimensionality >>>>>>>> hax goku scales higher his hax won't work on goku I'd admit if they were on the same level then goku is losing easily
Dude STFU goku isnth beating him, nor his creator wich is mutch stronger, he could just think goku out of existence, its even hard to tell if simon from gurren laggan could defeat him
He also could errase the concept of ki with a thought
@@user-pv4ht7zv4x I don't think that's how it work in dragon ball bro
@FlowClown he decides ehat works and what doesnth, for he decides what is fiction and what isnth, with his power all fiction he can defeat even characters like truth, madoka, fatherline and many others, he could even give a fight to simon from gurren laggan
So Bobobo would win then.
Another funny thing abt why kumagawa removed all colors from the world is not because his enemies uses atk based off of colors or something like that, it’s prob because the writer did it so that way when drawing, it’s much more easier. And much more faster. 😂
But still I don’t think it’s true. Since I just got that thought lol.
**Sun Wukong walks in* *Ahh finally a worhty opponent.
Faa and hajun be like : well this guy doesn't know us
He's a manga reader he probably does lol😂
Ger might not be number 1 strongest stand in terms of everything, but it sure does counter stuff, gotta love it
If we also consider isekai manga/anime, you can consider him being able to beat all of those universes as well:
How?
1. Remove Mana/Aether/Magic
2. Remove Skills other than himself/or gifts bestowed by gods
3. Remove artifacts/imbued weapons/enchanted weapons
Granted there are probably beasts/monsters that can still overpower him without those things. (Ie let's say a dragon species or harpies)
But his second ability can nullify most if not all of their advantages.
btw kumagawa can imagine that they get hit by a screw so yeah
TOAA laughing in the backround
LN Kars be like: 😈 wrryyyyyy Lil bi.
Admittedly I have not read/watched Medaka Box but I think I have officially been sold on it. One thing I was wondering throughout this entire video - how would All-Fiction interact with Imagine Breaker from Index? It's not magic or an esper power, so even if AF removed both, it would still need to remove IB specifically, and if it did... would that count as a supernatural phenomenon "coming into contact" with IB and thus be canceled out by it, or not? Food for thought, I guess.
All-Fiction wouldn't make contact with Imagine Breaker, so Kumagawa could erase it.
@@_Koyomi_ I see... good to know.
Have to erase the user's existence before he was born, since image breaker kinda makes you immine to anything that isn't normal.
I thought u meant yuki from future diary but than I thought of him and he’s on a whole different w
Dawg y ain’t no one talking about the body pillow in the back lol
The fact there are characters that still no diff him...
There is no ceiling in fiction.
Altair from re:creators would be a very interesting matchup
Kumagawa now there's a name I have heard for a while it so sad that they haven't green light season 3
I think a very interesting matchup would be DIO with The World: Over Heaven, would it come down to who can erase the opponents power faster? Or would it end in a stalemate because DIO overwrites all-fiction while kumagawa makes the concept of Stands dissapear? It could go either way
Imagine he says delete the world, and then realises that he didn’t specify The World (stand) and The World (all of existence)
the thing about twoh is that he can only use his fists to overwrite reality. kumagawa slaps low to mid
It has been shown multiple times in the manga that Kumagawas ability can't be erased.Itll just come back to him
@@randzanime7656It was showed that minuses are difficult to erase when Kumagawa Misogi wasn't able to erase Emukae Mukae's minus "Raff-Rafflesia" with his minus "All Fiction" and when Kugurugi Mogura couldn't nullify Misogi's attack,done with his minus "Book Maker", with her Misconversion Style, but when did someone try to erase All Fiction itself, aside from when Zenkichi Hitoyoshi tried to prevent Kumagawa from using it, by blocking his hands?
Kumagawa could just all fiction the rules of this video 😂
out of the first 3 you mentioned One punch man was the only one not mentioned, is there any reason you didn't add them in?
Jorge joestar's stand ability can write anything into and out of the universe
Money!! The way he say it bruh
Question: Yukari Yakumo vs Kumagawa, Yukari removes the boundary between Fiction and Reality.
What happens when Kumagawa activates All Fiction? Does nothing happen since there is no fiction nor reality anymore, or does the universe get erased since everything is both real and fiction at the same time and thus turning one thing into fiction will cause it to turn reality itself into fiction?
That is a valid question. But if you consider All-Fiction a power to make something 0, then it wouldn't matter if something is fiction or reality. If real is positive numbers and fiction is negative numbers, then even if Yukari flips them, All-Fiction could still just turn them into 0.
@@overseerpjoe9477 since I haven't read Medaka Box I'm not sure how true this interpretation of Kumagawa's powers are so I'm not going to make an arguement against that. However it seems like I didn't explain what Yukari's ability does. Yukari can remove or place boundaries between things such as removing the boundary between visible and invisible, which makes everything visible, but also makes it so that nothing is visible (I know kinda trippy to think about). So when we use the negative and positive example, Yukari straight up removes the difference between positive numbers and negative numbers, effectively making both -1 and +1 the same thing. And from what I get, All Fiction turns things into fiction spesifically, meaning that if fiction is negative numbers, Kumagawa's ability would be to turn positive (possible) numbers into negative (impossible) numbers, thus making them non existent. At least from my understanding.
And in the case that Kumagawa's ability is to set things to 0 instead of negative, Yukari can remove the boundary between 1 and 0 as well, which basically loops us back to the begining.
I am somewhat familiar with Yukari's abilities already, so no worries there. I forgot that she could remove the boundaries between things as well, so that's on me.
As for All-Fiction, it's just a power that makes things never have existed, not turning things into fiction, if that makes any sense. Goku is fictional, but he exists in a sense. We have his story. All-Fiction would make it so the manga Dragon Ball would either never have been made, or it would have a different main character, but either way, the character known as Goku would no longer exist.
But back to Yukari's Boundary Manipulation and Kumagawa's All-Fiction, they both work in such odd ways that it's really difficult to figure out how they would even interact.
@@overseerpjoe9477Can't Kumagawa erase Yukari's abilities
A better question would be, the creation of all things kid, vs zeno from dbz super.
Here is just one question about bleach would ichigo's hacks abilities be able to overcome all fiction because Ichigo is a Transcendent being meaning that things that aren't also Transcendent can't affect him