Thanks for that “real world” assessment of the Eclipse Cross PHEV Helmut. It was much more meaningful than the manufacturer quoted figures and those of short distance reviews. It was particularly interesting because we have just ordered one here in Australia and have enjoyed a holiday in Innsbruck, so revisiting the countryside was most enjoyable. From a pure “return on investment” point of view, it is difficult to justify the extra cost of the PHEV, but we are retiring, so are looking at it with the priority being near zero electric running for our day to day driving. We won’t be driving every day, so charging from our solar system during the day will give us nearly free local running, while retaining a reasonably economical fuel consumption on longer trips and doing our bit for the environment. You have answered my questions around the sort of fuel consumption to expect when the battery runs out. One of our daughters lives in a city apartment without charging facilities, so she bought a Mazda MX30 mild hybrid, which works well for her. The other daughter works in outback areas all over the country, so she has a Toyota RAV4 diesel for when she doesn’t fly. Both seem good choices for the sort of driving they do.
Does it make any sense that with all PHEV's, that when you are using the petrol motor, to run the car with regen braking on, if there is no need to brake? The Eclipse automatically starts with it in B2 mode, and I'm wondering why. Is it not more efficient to run in B0 mode unless you need to slow down and then just use the paddles to change the amount of regenerative braking? And once back on "the flat" to once again revert back to B0? Where is the efficiency gain in running on B2 mode for the Eclipse?
Hello, I own a 2010 Passat Ecofuel and averages 4,1 in the 9999km cycle (easy around 4 in city traffic). It would be interesting to see what consumption the newer models of VW/Skoda/Audi/Seat get. Perhaps I may inspire you to do a test? All the best from Uppsala, Sweden.
Hi, unfortunately, the local VW/Audi/Skoda-Dealership is not very helpful, so I can only try to get one privately, which I am trying. I'd be interested myself.
@@ecodriver1746 Maybe the local dealer could be kindly reminded that over 4,5k people have seen your VAG-videos so there is an interest bigger then Innsbruck! Keep on hypermiling!
läuft der Motor dann konstant, wenn die batterie ziemlich leer ist, oder schaltet der sich immer wieder aus und ein? Kann man bei voller Batterie einstellen, dass der Benzinmotor immer abgeschaltet ist?
Kia doesn't have e-CVT, its only Ford and Toyota. Depends on how much power you require and if the battery is sufficiently charged to support the petrol-engine. It can get rather noisy, but it's down to the driver.
Hi, Have you carried out these tests on other cars with their EV batteries also empty? I ask this question because the uphill climb on this test, see's very high petrol consumption, compared to the other tests you have carried out. I'm not sure ( for example) how the Rav 4 manages such low fuel consumption on the hill climb if their battery was empty at the start of the test. thanks
Hi. Yes, I did. ruclips.net/p/PLMifAVqvDvjqT0D45FjZ6kGEyBE8F8pm7 This is the playlist for all the PHEV-Tests. ruclips.net/p/PLMifAVqvDvjoceS3NwuBEjlGciYXjvRU_ Here you find the Full-Hybrids. With empty battery PHEVs are basically like FHEVs, so this is comparable, although in my test-setup PHEVs tend to do better due to the 6 km long descent, which regens much more energy back to the battery compared to FHEVs. The same test (with empty battery) will come soon with the RAV4 PHEV.
@@ecodriver1746 thanks, i read a recent test of the Rav4 over a distance of 150km and it managed about 7Ll/100km over the first 100km on the motorway and as it approached the city traffic and slowed down, it switched to battery mode and ended up on 5.5 L/100 . On the Eclipse trial were you on charge mode, so that was why the fuel consumption was so high on the initial part of the journey? I tried the Eclipse on the weekend and intend to trial the Rav this week, cheers
The first section of my test-loop is uphill. So it's normal to get high consumption there. I didn't use charge mode at all. Regarding RAV4 PHEV: I guess I'll be able to get around 3,5 - 3,7 l/100 kms with empty battery on this loop and over 100 kms of electric range.
Thanks for that “real world” assessment of the Eclipse Cross PHEV Helmut. It was much more meaningful than the manufacturer quoted figures and those of short distance reviews. It was particularly interesting because we have just ordered one here in Australia and have enjoyed a holiday in Innsbruck, so revisiting the countryside was most enjoyable. From a pure “return on investment” point of view, it is difficult to justify the extra cost of the PHEV, but we are retiring, so are looking at it with the priority being near zero electric running for our day to day driving. We won’t be driving every day, so charging from our solar system during the day will give us nearly free local running, while retaining a reasonably economical fuel consumption on longer trips and doing our bit for the environment. You have answered my questions around the sort of fuel consumption to expect when the battery runs out. One of our daughters lives in a city apartment without charging facilities, so she bought a Mazda MX30 mild hybrid, which works well for her. The other daughter works in outback areas all over the country, so she has a Toyota RAV4 diesel for when she doesn’t fly. Both seem good choices for the sort of driving they do.
Thanks!
Thx for the video. I am planning to buy this car pretty soon.
You're welcome! Enjoy your new car!
thank you for your job Sir , you help me in my choice 👍
Very good video. Thanks
Thanks, you're welcome!
Helmut, thanks for the excellent video. I believe when you road test the Toyota RAV 4 Prime on an empty battery you will get better results.
Thank you and you're welcome. I'm pretty sure I'll get a 100 km/62 miles out of the RAV 4 Prime.
The Mitsubishi is also a four weel drive and that impacts the fuel cosnsumpition.
But 4 wheel drive is safer.
感謝！
aber wahnsinnig gut der Verbrauch, das ist weniger als ein kleinerer Diesel PKW braucht.
Does it make any sense that with all PHEV's, that when you are using the petrol motor, to run the car with regen braking on, if there is no need to brake? The Eclipse automatically starts with it in B2 mode, and I'm wondering why. Is it not more efficient to run in B0 mode unless you need to slow down and then just use the paddles to change the amount of regenerative braking? And once back on "the flat" to once again revert back to B0? Where is the efficiency gain in running on B2 mode for the Eclipse?
Hello, I own a 2010 Passat Ecofuel and averages 4,1 in the 9999km cycle (easy around 4 in city traffic). It would be interesting to see what consumption the newer models of VW/Skoda/Audi/Seat get. Perhaps I may inspire you to do a test? All the best from Uppsala, Sweden.
Hi, unfortunately, the local VW/Audi/Skoda-Dealership is not very helpful, so I can only try to get one privately, which I am trying. I'd be interested myself.
@@ecodriver1746 Maybe the local dealer could be kindly reminded that over 4,5k people have seen your VAG-videos so there is an interest bigger then Innsbruck! Keep on hypermiling!
läuft der Motor dann konstant, wenn die batterie ziemlich leer ist, oder schaltet der sich immer wieder aus und ein? Kann man bei voller Batterie einstellen, dass der Benzinmotor immer abgeschaltet ist?
what is the steeper hill climbing ability like - on an e cvt with no gears like a kia ?
Kia doesn't have e-CVT, its only Ford and Toyota. Depends on how much power you require and if the battery is sufficiently charged to support the petrol-engine. It can get rather noisy, but it's down to the driver.
Very nice analysis! Is this the equivalent consumption, so both gas + electricity converted to l/100km or just the gas?
Hi! How do you set up the speed limit on your dash board?
Hi, Have you carried out these tests on other cars with their EV batteries also empty? I ask this question because the uphill climb on this test, see's very high petrol consumption, compared to the other tests you have carried out. I'm not sure ( for example) how the Rav 4 manages such low fuel consumption on the hill climb if their battery was empty at the start of the test. thanks
Hi. Yes, I did.
ruclips.net/p/PLMifAVqvDvjqT0D45FjZ6kGEyBE8F8pm7 This is the playlist for all the PHEV-Tests.
ruclips.net/p/PLMifAVqvDvjoceS3NwuBEjlGciYXjvRU_ Here you find the Full-Hybrids. With empty battery PHEVs are basically like FHEVs, so this is comparable, although in my test-setup PHEVs tend to do better due to the 6 km long descent, which regens much more energy back to the battery compared to FHEVs.
The same test (with empty battery) will come soon with the RAV4 PHEV.
@@ecodriver1746 thanks, i read a recent test of the Rav4 over a distance of 150km and it managed about 7Ll/100km over the first 100km on the motorway and as it approached the city traffic and slowed down, it switched to battery mode and ended up on 5.5 L/100 . On the Eclipse trial were you on charge mode, so that was why the fuel consumption was so high on the initial part of the journey? I tried the Eclipse on the weekend and intend to trial the Rav this week, cheers
The first section of my test-loop is uphill. So it's normal to get high consumption there. I didn't use charge mode at all.
Regarding RAV4 PHEV: I guess I'll be able to get around 3,5 - 3,7 l/100 kms with empty battery on this loop and over 100 kms of electric range.