Yes that shutter sound and our brain!!!!!! I hadn't quite put that fully together in that way. Interesting to see what the images are like from both of these cameras.
Thanks Denise, I do miss the shutter sound to be honest when shooting in electronic, I look forward the R7 hopefully having the audible shutter option. Cheers, Duade
Like most of us, I was dealing with the R5 vs. the R6 question. Birds and astro are my big interests and astro seemed to favour choosing the R6 while birds favoured the R5. I bit the bullet and got the R5. The financial pain of the purchase passed quickly. No regrets on choosing the R5. Just getting into doing bird videos with the R5 and the EF 800. Still blown away at being able to hand hold at 800! Even in video! It's a different world than my ED800 f/5.6 Nikkor from years ago!
The more I find out about the R-series cameras, the more I want to run through the streets screaming… no idea what is the answer . I was sure that the answer to MY particular shooting style was the R7…. Now, hell, I just don’t know anymore. Great video, wonderful comparison, super informative! Thanks so much!👍
You are my my new favorite reviewer!!! You answer my questions so well in your review, and answered my burning question on how Gigapixel would work on the R6 raw files.
Good video. It was actually another video on bird photography (which I don't do) that induced me to go with the R6 instead of the R5. I was worried about the lower megapixels, but his bird photos also looked great with plenty of detail. (Plus the lower megapixel count is better for low light.) Now you showing how well the R6 upscales makes me feel even better about my decision. The images between the two are frankly indistinguishable in any meaningful capacity. If it had global shutter and dual native ISO, I think it would be the perfect camera.
Well, I have upgraded to the R5 now, having had the R6 and I find the ability to crop in tight is amazing and it was well worth the cost, all I have to do now is pay for it!!
I have the R5 coming from a 7D II. The 45 mp makes it have great detail after crop. Many birds are only 6” so being able to crop in heavily makes for better images. The eye autofocus is excellent. Also can use it for my event photography is a plus.
GREAT! The holy trinity in wildlife photography is : Duade Paton/Canon, Steve Perry/Nikon, Mark Smith/Sony. ;) I suspected that a 20/24MP sensor was as good as a 45MP sensor with Gigapixel : THANK YOU for the confirmation! Perfect review. (I knew that a 45MP sensor downscaled to 24/24 MP has more or less the same level of noise) Topaz has really, really, some great software !
Another comment. I recently started using the electronic shutter after staying away from it for all the months I have had the camera for the reasons you said in your video. Now it is amazing you have to give it a go. I agree no sound and no way to tell how many shots. Ok To take less shots I press the front shutter very quickly and get maybe 3 shots even on a stationary bird. on a bird in flight I always did bursts. Now the bursts give more shots but the amazing big advantage is that you have a choice of getting the perfect shot which I didn't even know about before. I love it. It doesn't wear the shutter and is silent and vibration free. The same thrill you mentioned is still there knowing I am getting so many shots and one will be great. I may be imagining but It could also be a tiny bit sharper on the electronic shutter. Bit of a rave. Thanks.
You are my Canon goto guru!! As a wildlife photographer, I never liked Nikon's D500 because it was only 20 megapixels - the photos lost too much when cropping in. I preferred my D800 and the my D850. I commented recently on one of you videos when I was thinking about the Canon 90D - I bought it and have been using it for a week with and old version one 100-400 push pull and am more impressed than I can tell you. I have never gone into the mirrorless cameras (other than shooting Sony and will never pick up that garbage again). Maybe the Z9 will be amazing and all my old prime glass will work, but I am really blown away by Canon (including my little M50 I picked up used from B&H for video) - and now looking at the R5 and the 100-500 to go with it. For me, a great shot is one with character that I can print full poster size, have it still be tack sharp with DEEP rich color - something Nikon and Canon are both known for. My all new adventure is in learning where my controls are since Nikon is second nature to me. This older 90D is off the charts amazing. I too prefer the shutter sound (shooting the D850 in silent with the screen was unnerving or using my friends Z6 in silent) and actually prefer a slower burst speed. I don't want to cull through 1000 photos to pick one - Ill just shoot one amazing one and call it a day. The buffer on the 90D is small so knowing that, as long as I don't hold the shutter down I am good to go - I am getting used to that too. I am glad you mentioned the buffer for the R5. Battery life is something I was worried about, but I will carry an extra battery - been shooting the 90D two days straight on one charge......! Thank you for your informative videos. John JonnyPink
John, thank you for taking the time to share your experience, the 90D 100-400 combo is excellent for birds and all around shooting as it allows you to get very close. You effectively have 640mm on a 32mp camera which is great. The R6 100-500 will give you 500mm at 20mp so it will feel a little shorter but the low light performance is exceptional. It will be interesting to see if they release an R7 as that will likely replace the 90D in regards to top APSC. Cheers, Duade
Excellent comparison video Duade. Very enjoyable and informative. I bought the R5. I couldn’t afford it either but now I have it, I’m delighted and not looking back!
Love your reviews, which are among the best and most fair for wildlife photographers. I chose the R5 (with battery grip) to replace both a FF (1DX mk ii) and a crop (7D mk ii) so I don't have to switch bodies so often in the field. I think it was the right decision for me and the R5 is amazing. I have sold the 7D mk ii but still have the 1DX mk ii as a secondary camera but it is too big and heavy for a secondary camera. My wife recently got a R5 as well to replace / complement her 80D.
Bjarne, great to hear, I would prefer an R5 for sure however it was just outside my budget. Great to hear your wife is also into photography, that must be nice. Cheers, Duade
Thanks mate for a no nonsense comparison between the two cameras. Its your wallet that will make the decision now :) I am eagerly waiting for an opportunity to rent a R6 and 100 500 RF glass. That combo will be worthwhile. I use an entry-level sony alpha mirrorless and that system allows me to save 2 custom settings for photo and dedicated video mode. And the best part, these custom modes don't mess with each other. Cheers n stay safe.
Thanks for the comment. I think the R7 and RF100-500 will be the ultimate combo, it will be light, super sharp and offer plenty of reach. Yes, the lack of custom video functions on the R6 is a real head scratcher. Cheers, Duade
What I've come to learn is that I appreciate my shots on my FF camera more, with lower megapixels than my crop sensor high megapixel camera. A lot has to do with the lens resolution. When you crop and use more pixels, you are pushing the lens to the limit, and often I find shots might be higher res, but my feeling is that they look softer. The lower mp don't allow pixel peeping as much, which is often a good thing if your lens is not a really expensive prime L lens.
Thank you! This is the most helpful and unbiased comparison I have viewed. I am not a bird photographerr. Mostly landscapes, low-light performances, and street photography. Since 45 MP for cropping was not a key need, I bought the R6 even tho’ I could afford the R5. I prefer the dial, dual SDs, smaller file size, and didn’t notice the EVF difference. I rarely crop much or need to print more than 16x24 inch. But it is good to see your upsampling comparison, to know that occasionally cropping significantly or printing bigger is possible!
Very well narrated video and finally finally I’m glad this is not yet another comparison video where they read out the camera specs. The method applied to compare both cameras is so practical, thank you for all the time and effort you put in for making this video 👍
Thanks great video. I am a bird photographer from NZ and as you say the R5 was horrendously expensive . I made the jump and have not regretted. I had the 7d mk2 before and never craved more megapixels. But I always thought there is a big advantage in having more so bought the R5. A surprise with your tests. Thanks for the video.
great to hear you got the R5, I hate to think what it cost in NZ but good to hear you are enjoying it. I hope to get back to NZ at some stage to photograph those beautiful birds. Cheers, Duade
I own both and just got back from a trip to S. Florida, my first trip with them and I used them about the same amount of shots. I only do stills and have grips on both and never had a problem with battery life going down to where I lost the 12fps. I would recharge the batteries each night and and was good to go. Being down in the bright Florida sun was the first time I noticed a difference in the EVF of the two. I’ve only had them since winter began at home so it’s been mostly cloudy dark days and I couldn’t tell in these conditions but in bright sun the R5 was noticeably better. I don’t think people should worry about the megapixels that much and if the R5 is out of your budget you will still get great pictures with the R6.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience, I do find the battery specs confusing from Canon as I get so many more than on the specs. Yes, I found the R5 EVF much nicer to look through. Cheers, Duade
100% agree about wanting to hear the shutter, not to mention, 20 fps is just more than I need 98% of the time. I rack up too many shots that I have to cull through later. 12 fps mechanical is plenty for me 👍 Anyway, SO glad I went for the R5 with 45mp’s. I’ve tried Topaz Gigapixel in the past and for whatever reason, it just didn’t work for me. Great vid Duade 👍 TY 🙂
Thanks mate, I must admit I love the sound of the 1DX but over time I am getting used to silent, it is helpful for flighty birds. I do like on the R3, R7 you can have an audible shutter sound in electronic, I wish we had that on the R6 and R5. Cheers, Duade
Crikeys, that was one of the best comparisons I’ve seen so far. No one else has pointed out how convoluted the switch over to video is on the r6, that’s a bit of a downer for me. Heck my 80d lets me switch to video in an instant. Great review.
Thanks for the comment, I have found a workaround for the video, I can use C3 like manual mode and then it is only one turn to video which isn't as bad. Still, I would have preferred it to work like the R5. Cheers, Duade
Never shot with the R6 - can only speak to the R5 (which I’ve been using since October). I usually shoot with the 1Dx Mark II (another 20mp sensor). Had save up enough to purchase another pro body on 2020 - was going to be either the 1Dx Mark III or the R5. The R5 was highly recommended by a few of my sports photographer friends, so glad I listened to them and purchased it. It is my go to body now. Few reasons I enjoy using the R5 over the 1Dx Mark II: 1. Better auto focus - the eye and head auto focus is a game changer; especially, the animal af. Works really well when focusing on one specific bird in a flock. Back button focusing takes full advantage of this. Initially focus on the bird’s eye, then switch to eye/head auto focus. 2. The 12 fps mechanical isn’t as fast as the 1Dx Mark II, but is adequate. Plus, can get 20 fps electronic. So far, the only birds that have given me a problem with rolling shutter - hummingbirds. Lastly, can get relatively high mp stills from 8K video. 3. Can’t beat the 45 mp sensor. My go to lense is the Canon 300mm 2.8 IS USM Mark II. This lense works exceptionally well with the R5 - the 45 mp sensor takes full advantage of the 300’s sharpness. Unlike a 20mp sensor, the 45mp sensor allows one to crop more aggressively. Plus, as you did for the R6 images. One can upscale R5 images as well and achieve nice results. This is a relatively inexpensive way to achieve greater focal length. The R5 compared to the R6: 1. Lifetime Shutter Actuations. I mostly shoot with the mechanical shutter - when I found out that the R5 has 500,000 lifetime actuations to the R6s 300,000 - made the decision to purchase the R5 that much easier. 200,000 additional actuations isn't something to easily overlook. 2. Lastly, the R5 is a better camera for all types of photography - portrait, architecture, landscape, or macro. The 45mp sensor allows greater diversity. The only edge I see the R6, and its 20mp sensor having, is in astrophotography.
Ray, thank you for your detailed comparison, I have had the pleasure of using the 300 2.8 and yes it is a super sharp beautiful lens. I agree the R5 is the better camera if you can afford it. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duane. I'm totally with you on the electronic shutter/dopamin issue...both as a photographer and as a technician (I am a geek freak :o). The electronic shutter leaves me without feedback in both areas so I only use it when I absolutely need the silence and not for the increased speed
I really appreciated your comprehensive comparison of the R5 and R6. I live in NZ and our dollar has even less buying power than the Aussie one, plus we pay 15% GST on everything, so price was a critical element in my decision to purchase. As a purely stills shooter, I had no need for the video features of either camera, so the downgrading of those features on the R6 had no impact on me, and I preferred the dual SD cards over the (to me) unnecessary and hugely expensive Express CF cards. I got 2 x R6 bodies, with grips and spare batteries, plus the RF24-105 and 100-500 lenses and found the combination to be awesome. Like you, I would be very interested if Canon DO produce an R7, but there seem to be only rumors at present. Most of our wildlife is avian or smaller, so I found the samples you provided very appropriate. I too found the IBIS and AEAF to be game changers for me and got a lot more keepers than my 5DIV and 5DsR bodies. I don't produce large, detailed prints; in fact most of my images are displayed digitally, so I don't necessarily need the 45MP of the R5, and as you mentioned the R6 images are outstanding, even cropped. The R6, with its slightly better low light performance (which I put down to the bigger pixels), works for me, as many of my subjects are in the dim light of the NZ bush. Thank you for your down-to-earth presentations that are rich in information without drama!
Trevor, sounds like you are well and truly sorted. The 100-500 is a fantastic walk around lens being so light. I would love to get back to NZ and spend some time with the beautiful birds. Cheers, Duade
We need an update Duade!! I didn't get the R5II yet. I have the R6II and just bought my second R5. It was only $1900 with a cage and 5 batteries!! Could not pass it up!! It has been MY ROCK!! Imade a video a few months back also talking about the R7 and its issues as well as the R8 which I have also. But, the R7 was a HUGE disappointment and I referenced you as you talked with Canon. I got a lot of hate from R7 enthusiasts!!! Hahahaha....but it does NOT take away from the fact it has focusing issues. great channel and I subbed years ago!!
Very helpful...It helps me feel more comfortable with the prospect of working with the R6's 20 megapixel sensor. Appreciate you sharing all the details of how you ended up with the R6, and the second thoughts...helps us relate. Craig
Hi Duade, I've enjoyed your youtube stuff that I've watched, well done. You and Jan are getting me keener again, and I'm sure Canon's new tech will eventually separate me from some dollars. Its a great time to be a photographer. All the best from Trevor Murray
Hi Trevor, great to hear from you, I hope all is well up your way. Yes, these new cameras are very interesting, and I look forward to what is next from Canon. The 300 2.8 would work very well on the R5 ;-) Cheers, Duade
I’m with you on the shutter sound, and good to hear I’m not the only one. 😂 Great comparison, and I was really surprised by the enlargement from the R6 looking so good.
Just came across your great video. I have the R6 (and R7) and am debating whether or not to step up to the R5 or the R6 Mk2. Having watched your video and seen other videos and reviews I don’t think I can justify the extra expense of the R5 given the excellent results the R6 gives, though like you I did struggle for a while when swopping from a DSLR but the results are getting better all the time now. I’m still contemplating the move up to the R6 Mk2 but need an excellent video like this one to give a direct comparison between the two!
This is the sort of informative comparison between these 2 cameras that I have been looking for. Great presentation! Subscribed to your channel. Cheers from the US!
Great film and a very professional channel. Keep up good work. It is a pleasure to watch. I also use R6 with 400 2.8 + exnteders, 200-400, old 70-200 mark I, also with wide angle lenses and it works very well. Never came back to my old good 7dII. Greetings from Poland
Very good point...now I know from your video what happened..using an old or previous version of batteries slows down the system...it happened to me using my 5dmkiv batteries..Thanks
Thanks Duade, great job as always. Just placed my order for an R6 based on your recent reviews. You really helped me weigh up the pros, cons against my needs and budget. All the best, David
Great to hear David, I hope you enjoy once it arrives, as I mentioned I was not very happy to start with as it is a big change from DSLR, however over time it grows on you. Cheers, Duade
What a great style of presenting! Spontaneous, to the point and knowledgeable. I have made this choice 1 a 2 years ago, in COVID time it’s hard to remember. I chose the R6 and you confirmed the reasons of my choice. The advantages of the R5 are too little for my purposes and the price difference too much. I will look into the Topaz.. who knows.
Because the software is very hit and miss. It *can* deliver great results but most of the times I find the software brings uncomfortable artefacts or makes the image look like painted over and mushy when zoomed in. That beeing said, it is beeing updated frequently and gets better.
Hi Stan, the IBIS makes the viewfinder steadier making is a little easier to take photos handheld. You can also use slightly slower shutter speeds if required however I would still suggest trying to stay over 1/400 if possible. Cheers, Duade
Thank you for a very comprehensive comparison. I am on the fence between the two - I’m sure we all are! The review of Topaz Gigapixel definitely gives an option to those of us wanting the higher resolution but lower price. The combination of R6 plus Gigapixel seems to be the way I will go :).
This is a great review/comparison of these two cameras, one of the easiest to watch for sure. I do think that the focal length used between the two cameras in the IQ comparisons should’ve been further acknowledged, given the $4,000-$5,000 different between those two lenses alone. In some regard one could look at the R5 as a way to SAVE money from having to upgrade from 500mm to 600mm.
a great point, it would be a tough choice between the R5/500 or R6/600. I think ultimately the lens is more important so I would always choose the better lens. Cheers, Duade
16:50 I suggest using C3 but set "Auto update set" to "Enable." That way, your C3 will be what it was the last time you used it when you go back to it.
Thank you very much Ashley, someone below suggested the same and I am very grateful for the advice as this is exactly what I need, and it will help me access video a lot quicker. It's funny how we can use cameras for years and simply overlook features and settings. Thanks again, Cheers, Duade
Hi, Duade. What a great video. Great pace and clarity of thought. Engaging, too. Thank you. I don't have any camera, yet, but want to start bird photography. Thete is so much out there that is contradictory- lots of opinions. I guess I'm still stuck on the r6 mark ii or r5. The r6 might be better for me as I want a canera for general use, too. I never thought it would be so confusing. But your opinions are so useful. I will have to start somewhere so I'll save a bit of money and avoid the r5.
I was take the R6 (v 1) from the 5D mark III and was sad to have only 20mp compared to the R5 or R7 (fewer than the 5d), and thinking it was not enough for cropping my photos. thank you a lot for your video :) Realy clear and detailed explanation. I am happy to see i dont lost a lot with fewer MP (sorry for my englinsh and greating from france)
Hey Duade, Even though I use Nikon... I enjoyed the video about the two cameras. The great thing about me not vlogging... Is I don't have outtakes. Ha... But, it is always fun seeing yours! You make it all look real. Fun stuff! Sayin' hey... Greg
I ordered the R6 basically for the same reasons as you. The R5 with the additional costs is too expensive. I’m not a professional photographer and too old to become one. However I do get out and take wildlife and outdoor scenery photos and feel the R6 will do what I want. Thanks for your work and advice!
Don't go for the R5 unless you need 8k which nobody needs currently. Megapixel was an issue but as everybody has confirmed 20 Mp is more than enough for all your work and now he showed that we can upscale if really needed. Save that 1100$ and buy lenses which are much more important than the body, especially as everything else like AF, IBIS, FPS, handling, are same between the two. I am going with the R6 and the RF 24-105 f4L as i will shoot landscape so F2.8 not really necessary, but you can get that with the extra saved money if you go fro the R6
@@souptikmukhopadhyay6531 thanks. That was my original thought as well (spend $ on lenses). then I began to think about the crop-ability of r5! I’m strictly an amateur and upgrading from a consumer grade camera... either will be an amazing improvement especially for low light.
@@darrinwebb3724 same as me here. I had a 550D for 9 years and finally I can afford my full frame. I had 18 Mp in my 550D and still could crop till 50% easily Or even more, so 20 Mp will give a little bit more than that. And honestly if any person need to crop even more than 50% then he / she really need to learn composition instead of cropping :p. Don't worry you will get some amount of cropping on R6 and the rest will be like a challenge to improve your composition instead. Also you can use thr saved money to get a telephoto lens so that you don't need to crop!
This and Jan’s comparison are so helpful - thank you for this video! I was sold on the R6…but I continuously switch between photo and video and I would have been very upset to learn I needed to fumble with the knob and settings every I wanted to switch between modes on the R6…that alone is nearly worth the extra price for me when the hassle is spread over countless shoots.
Thanks for the comment, there is a slight workaround for the R6, you shoot photos in C3 and have it set to remember your last settings. It is then one turn to the video mode which makes it much quicker. But the single button push on the R5 is very handy. Cheers, Duade
Thanks Duade, your video was worth the wait. I'm still torn but the R6 is looking more likely. I don't use video and I couldn't tell enough difference between the image comparisons to justify the R5 price. I might miss the top screen though. Thanks
Great video, loving all your stuffs far. I'm currently crippled with indecision about whether R6 or R5 should be my new camera. While I could just afford to purchase the R5 I'm having trouble justifying that decision as the only reason it's even on the table is the 45mp sensor so that I could potentially have a bit more reach sometimes if I need to crop heavily. Video is of no interest to me so some in-between model with a bigger sensor but chuck the 8k video to lower the 2000Euro price difference would be nice 👌. Only thing I'd have added to the video would have been to show the r6 images pre giga pixel upscale as well as post Cheers 🍻
Thanks for that, yes, it is a very hard decision to make, I think the R7 maybe the camera I am after, we will see. Good point re showing the R6 native images. If you are interested, I have a gallery of all the shots I have taken with the R6 and none used Topaz Gigapixel. photos.duadepaton.com/RUclips/Canon-R6 Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I too am hoping the R7 will be a good bridge between the two but I am wondering how good the ISO performance will be. I believe it will share the sensor with the 90d, which I found struggled in low light conditions.
Very professional comparison. I am wonder the image quality is very similar between these two cameras (20 vs 45mp). You make me feel more comfortable and confidence to stick with my lovely r6. Thanks a lot.
Great video Duade as a Sony user coming up with the same dilemma do you need a sony A9 with 25MP or the new Sony A1 with 50 MP ? Well should be getting the camera soon on my channel! Very keen on the low light capabilities and advantages of being able to crop to 21MP ! Should be awesome but we will see test coming ! 👍🤔
I was about to go with the R6 as my next body but the FPS problems with older lenses will make me rethink this. I have a EF 500mm F4 IS USM MK1 made in 2007.
Kimmo, yes it does have the FPS restriction in mechanical mode, I do not believe that restriction exists when using the 20fps electronic mode. It also only has 80% AF coverage. In saying that the camera is a big step up from the DSLR's. Cheers, Duade
Few people talk about upscaling image size with software as opposed to more megapixels. Your comparison was interesting and valuable information. I also appreciate the info on battery life. I think many people interested in mirrorless but put off by battery life specs will be happy to hear your experience.
this was a very useful video ! I have been using the R6 which I love for for about a year and needed a 2nd body so I just ordered the R5 - I think I'll enjoy the larger MP in the field and on the go and the viewfinder sounds great! thank you for all the great info to help in my decision making process! :)
@@wheresjimmy247 the 100-500 is great for birds - for general use the Canon RF 24-240mm f/4-6.3 IS is my goto - I've shot the most with it walking around / events
Alex, my pleasure, unfortunately the RP is Canons early mirrorless so I would be waiting until they release some more affordable mirrorless bodies in the future as they will inherit the better technology. Cheers, Duade
Great video mate, I was very surprised at how well the R6 stacked up against the R5 as far as image quality goes. I just checked out rumoured specs on R7 and was a bit disappointed so R5 might be king for a while 👍
Trevor, yes, the R5 will be the top camera until the R1 arrives, the R7 will just offer that extra reach at a more affordable price which is attractive to many. I just worry about its high ISO performance. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade The R5s looks interesting, 90mp, apparently it’s replacing the 5Ds, hope they improve ISO though because I do find the 5Dsr a little bit noisy👍
Excellent review as usual. I just get the hand on a R5 for 3400 usd. The camera only has 2000 actuation. And I will sell my R6. It took me lot of reviews to decide. I was 8n a way to buy a R 7... Thanks for your fantastic channel.
Nice video, thanks very much. The biggest investment for any bird pro/am photographer will be the glass. But the new F11 lenses IMO may be a real game changer with these bodies.
Andrew, yes I agree re the glass. You are right the f/11 lenses offer focal length at a very affordable price and I look forward to seeing what else Canon do. Cheers, Duade
Nice work as ever. Only thing I would say is, having just played around with Topaz Sharpen and Denoise , they both do a lot of work on sharpening and noise reduction (even though each tool focuses on one over the other). I’m would take a guess (but I haven’t used it though) that part of their Gigapixel AI tool is applying some of the impressive sharpening they do across their toolset. That would really help the R6 upscaled (and I’m guessing sharpened) image over a raw R5 image. What would be great to see is you upscaling the R5 image up by a similar ratio and then comparing the extra subject size, resolution and detail you get out of those extra MP. Cracking video as ever mate 👍🏼
Thank you, you are correct, I should have made it very clear that Topaz has applied some sharpening to the R6 image. I am always learning and will be sure to do that in future videos. I suspect the R5 would upscale very well. Cheers, Duade
You’ve got a cracking channel here Duade! Maybe it’s an idea for another video to do some comparisons on upscaling and sharpening options. With your mate with the 600mm, you could do some comparisons on cropping your 500mm to match his angle of view after upscaling and sharpening.
The outtakes makes you so much more human 😂🙈 thanks for appending them to the end. 👍 There is a reason everything just runs smoothly and flawlessly throughout the whole video: its work and repetition for every single take. I find this highly professional and enjoyable. Thanks for sharing 👍🍻
I'm glad you enjoy them, thankfully I get some of it right on the first attempt. The filming is actually the quick part, the script and editing is what takes all the time. Cheers, Duade
Great video Duade. I still using my 7d mk ii, while waiting for the specks on the r7 before deciding which camera i will buy. Hopefully the r7 will be an amazing wildlife camera.
Thanks a lot for this vlog! I love the shutter sound, though I always use the minimun shutter noise with my Fuji xt4! My old canon 5dsr makes a louder noise! I think it's my old brain LOL ! Very useful video indeed!!!!!
Thanks Daniela, I see the new R3 has the audible shutter as do the Sony bodies so I think all future cameras will have it. Unfortunately, I don't know it the R5/R6 will ever get it. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I love the new Sony A1, as I do birding as well, to be honest I can't even think of buying those f 8, or f 11 lenses! Imagine that in during sunset, when the birds go to sleep? (best time for them as well as dawn) , oh well, we will see what the future will bring!Best for you from Uruguay.
Thank you! Just what I needed! But the R5 does support SD in one of the slots according to what I’ve read??? “Slot 2 supports SD/SDHC/SDXC UHS-I and UHS-II memory cards”
Great video and great comparisons. If I had to choose right now, it would be the R6 because of price. And price of RF glass is the biggest reason I'm not ready to make the switch yet. EF w/adaptor might work, but I'm happy with my current equipment.
no, I haven't but it appears to be very similar and a way to save space if you need it. I guess if I can record the highest possible quality I would prefer to do that and the R6 files aren't too bad at 25mb. Cheers, Duade
Hi Fiete, there is not much to it, load the TIF file in the software, tell it the size you want and it upscales it. Now the more you upscale the more likely you are to encounter issues however it worked well with the R6 files I used. In the real world you will rarely need to upscale unless you are printing large or using in some sort of publication perhaps. Cheers, Duade
I have only used their 150-600 and it worked well except for a some focus issues where I would get a few soft shots in between sharp shots which was odd. I used their new 150-500 on the Sony and it was excellent. Cheers, Duade
When you upscale an image, the noise(dots) are also upsize. I’ll denoise(10%-20%) it first then upscale, find the percentage balance between the amount of detail vs noise, being removed. However, if I know before hand, I’m upscaling it. I’ll go ahead and use the lowest iso possible(tripod or IS) that way, noise are less prevalent after upscaling it. Avoid too much shadow digging(in post) and position subject in good light if possible.
Thanks for the terrific comparison between the two cameras. I chose the R5 primarily because of the larger sensor resolution and VF resolution. You might note that the TIFF files from the R5 out of Lightroom to go to the Topaz products are absolutely huge, about 280MB. Would love your opinions on using CRAW vs RAW in these cameras. I have used both in my processing and for the life of me cannot see any differences in processed image quality. What do you think? Also, have you found any other answers to the "sticky" focus point issue? Again, thanks for the great videos!
Ben, I apologise for the late response, your comment popped up today a month later?? Yes, the VF is much better in the R5. Yes, the TIF files are large for the R5 and you can quickly fill up hard drives that is for sure. I have not tried CRAW but I have read people cannot tell the difference. I usually delete the TIF file once I have finished processing the image to help save space. Cheers, Duade
I’ve had the R6 for a month or so. I use C3 as my manual mode (with auto-update option on) to be closer to the video mode as you suggested. I just never shoot in the “true” M mode anymore.
@@Duade Thanks Duade. Appears Canon have published a list of the EF lenses that will achieve full fps on R series bodies. For ex: EF100-400 v. II will, while the v1 will not . ( I read the list after posing my question, and currently can't find the link!)
I was also thinking a long time about which one to get, because they are so similar, and went with the R5 in the end. And I am absolutely loving it, it's a big improvement compared the 5D mark iv I had before. But if I need (and can afford) a second body at some point, I am going to buy the R6.
Hi Duade, great review. I'm a birder with a camera (dangerous) just bought the R6 I think its fantastic. I was unsure which to go for R5 or R6 glad I went with R6 and now have some money to buy a better lens. This review has made me think I picked the right body for me. Would love to hear you thoughts on the RF100 - 500, RF800 and 1.4x 2.0x converters. From wet and cold England
Hi Andrew, the 100-500 is fantastic and would be a great addition to anyones kit. The RF800 is a very case specific lens and not one I would buy. Hopefully Jan and I can do a video showing the differences. Cheers, Duade
I have done this frequently with good results. For a severe crop, I upscale first, then do my processing on the upscaled version. There have been a few failures, but for most images, it works very well.
I was looking to replace my 11 years old camera with mirrorless one. Did a lot of research and like R6 but couldn't justify cost of this camera for my needs. However two weeks ago when Canon drop the price on factory refurbished R6 and RF 24-105 f4 L lens, I pull the trigger and purchased from Canon Online store R6 body for $1700 USD and lens for $720 USD. The camera and lens arrived in absolutely new condition, I couldn't be happier with my purchase. In regards of pixels - Overall visual quality of the R6(20 megapixels) is almost indistinguishable from that of the R5(45 megapixels) may have more to do with the surface area of their respective pixel units which determines the amount of light being captured by each pixel. You see, while the R5 has 45 megapixels, the surface area of each of its pixel units is 4.40 µm square which is about 2/3 the size of the surface area of each pixel unit in the R6 with 20 megapixels, which is 6.56 µm square. When you calculate this out, you'll find that the pixel surface area of the R6 is equal to a sensor with 30.45 megapixels having a pixel surface area of 4.40 µm squared. Additionally, the larger pixel sites in the R6 capture more light that likely creates greater saturation that also produces a somewhat smoother appearance of the captured image.
Best side by side image comparison I've seen between these two cameras, thank you!
G'day Rene, my pleasure, Cheers, Duade 👍
Your outtakes at the end make me appreciate the effort that goes into each video. Good work and thanks for these vids.
Thanks Kenneth, they are a bit of fun, thanks for the feedback, Cheers, Duade
The upscaling suggestion was something I hadn’t considered. Thanks for highlighting that.
I definitely get the positive experience when I hear the shutter release sound
Thanks Taylor, glad I am not the only one, Cheers, Duade
Yes that shutter sound and our brain!!!!!! I hadn't quite put that fully together in that way. Interesting to see what the images are like from both of these cameras.
Thanks Denise, I do miss the shutter sound to be honest when shooting in electronic, I look forward the R7 hopefully having the audible shutter option. Cheers, Duade
Probably the best side-to-side comparison. This is the definition of comparing, resuming technical info in a just few minutes.
Thanks Vasos, I appreciate the feedback. Cheers, Duade
Like most of us, I was dealing with the R5 vs. the R6 question.
Birds and astro are my big interests and astro seemed to favour choosing the R6 while birds favoured the R5.
I bit the bullet and got the R5. The financial pain of the purchase passed quickly. No regrets on choosing the R5. Just getting into doing bird videos with the R5 and the EF 800. Still blown away at being able to hand hold at 800! Even in video! It's a different world than my ED800 f/5.6 Nikkor from years ago!
Terry, that is great to hear, I am glad you are enjoying the camera and yes, it is amazing how well the IS works with the RF lenses. Cheers, Duade
My experience also. The quality with the 800 plus the reach on a FF camera is very good.
The more I find out about the R-series cameras, the more I want to run through the streets screaming… no idea what is the answer . I was sure that the answer to MY particular shooting style was the R7…. Now, hell, I just don’t know anymore. Great video, wonderful comparison, super informative! Thanks so much!👍
John, yes, it is hard to know isn't it. Overall the R5 is the best all around camera I feel and I have been very impressed with mine. Cheers, Duade
I am a hobbyist photographer and Nikon user, but I really enjoy your channel the education you provide in your video's.
Cesar, thanks for the comment, I am glad you enjoy the channel. Cheers, Duade
You are my my new favorite reviewer!!! You answer my questions so well in your review, and answered my burning question on how Gigapixel would work on the R6 raw files.
Thanks Tim, I appreciate the feedback, Cheers, Duade
Good video. It was actually another video on bird photography (which I don't do) that induced me to go with the R6 instead of the R5. I was worried about the lower megapixels, but his bird photos also looked great with plenty of detail. (Plus the lower megapixel count is better for low light.) Now you showing how well the R6 upscales makes me feel even better about my decision. The images between the two are frankly indistinguishable in any meaningful capacity. If it had global shutter and dual native ISO, I think it would be the perfect camera.
Thanks, good luck with the camera, it is fantastic, Cheers, Duade
you are the most genuine phtotgrapher and educator. thanks for everything
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Well, I have upgraded to the R5 now, having had the R6 and I find the ability to crop in tight is amazing and it was well worth the cost, all I have to do now is pay for it!!
Great to hear Robert, I am glad you are enjoying the R5. Cheers, Duade
You touch more details then any other RUclipsr reviewers on these two camera. Ty so much for your honest opinion.
it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
I have the R5 coming from a 7D II. The 45 mp makes it have great detail after crop. Many birds are only 6” so being able to crop in heavily makes for better images. The eye autofocus is excellent. Also can use it for my event photography is a plus.
Yes, the R5 has been an incredible camera from Canon and was a big step up from the 5d4 that is for sure. Cheers, Duade
GREAT! The holy trinity in wildlife photography is : Duade Paton/Canon, Steve Perry/Nikon, Mark Smith/Sony. ;)
I suspected that a 20/24MP sensor was as good as a 45MP sensor with Gigapixel : THANK YOU for the confirmation! Perfect review.
(I knew that a 45MP sensor downscaled to 24/24 MP has more or less the same level of noise)
Topaz has really, really, some great software !
Thank you, you are too kind, like everyone I still have lots to learn and I am happy to share those learnings on this channel. Cheers, Duade
Another comment. I recently started using the electronic shutter after staying away from it for all the months I have had the camera for the reasons you said in your video. Now it is amazing you have to give it a go. I agree no sound and no way to tell how many shots. Ok To take less shots I press the front shutter very quickly and get maybe 3 shots even on a stationary bird. on a bird in flight I always did bursts. Now the bursts give more shots but the amazing big advantage is that you have a choice of getting the perfect shot which I didn't even know about before. I love it. It doesn't wear the shutter and is silent and vibration free. The same thrill you mentioned is still there knowing I am getting so many shots and one will be great. I may be imagining but It could also be a tiny bit sharper on the electronic shutter. Bit of a rave. Thanks.
Thanks for the comment, I think electronic is the future, I just hope they do add the sound and let you choose the FPS. Cheers, Duade
You are my Canon goto guru!! As a wildlife photographer, I never liked Nikon's D500 because it was only 20 megapixels - the photos lost too much when cropping in. I preferred my D800 and the my D850. I commented recently on one of you videos when I was thinking about the Canon 90D - I bought it and have been using it for a week with and old version one 100-400 push pull and am more impressed than I can tell you. I have never gone into the mirrorless cameras (other than shooting Sony and will never pick up that garbage again). Maybe the Z9 will be amazing and all my old prime glass will work, but I am really blown away by Canon (including my little M50 I picked up used from B&H for video) - and now looking at the R5 and the 100-500 to go with it. For me, a great shot is one with character that I can print full poster size, have it still be tack sharp with DEEP rich color - something Nikon and Canon are both known for. My all new adventure is in learning where my controls are since Nikon is second nature to me. This older 90D is off the charts amazing. I too prefer the shutter sound (shooting the D850 in silent with the screen was unnerving or using my friends Z6 in silent) and actually prefer a slower burst speed. I don't want to cull through 1000 photos to pick one - Ill just shoot one amazing one and call it a day. The buffer on the 90D is small so knowing that, as long as I don't hold the shutter down I am good to go - I am getting used to that too. I am glad you mentioned the buffer for the R5. Battery life is something I was worried about, but I will carry an extra battery - been shooting the 90D two days straight on one charge......! Thank you for your informative videos.
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John, thank you for taking the time to share your experience, the 90D 100-400 combo is excellent for birds and all around shooting as it allows you to get very close. You effectively have 640mm on a 32mp camera which is great. The R6 100-500 will give you 500mm at 20mp so it will feel a little shorter but the low light performance is exceptional. It will be interesting to see if they release an R7 as that will likely replace the 90D in regards to top APSC. Cheers, Duade
Excellent comparison video Duade. Very enjoyable and informative. I bought the R5. I couldn’t afford it either but now I have it, I’m delighted and not looking back!
Hi Julian, I should have probably done the same thing, but for now I will enjoy the R6. Happy birding, Cheers, Duade
Love your reviews, which are among the best and most fair for wildlife photographers. I chose the R5 (with battery grip) to replace both a FF (1DX mk ii) and a crop (7D mk ii) so I don't have to switch bodies so often in the field. I think it was the right decision for me and the R5 is amazing. I have sold the 7D mk ii but still have the 1DX mk ii as a secondary camera but it is too big and heavy for a secondary camera. My wife recently got a R5 as well to replace / complement her 80D.
Bjarne, great to hear, I would prefer an R5 for sure however it was just outside my budget. Great to hear your wife is also into photography, that must be nice. Cheers, Duade
Thanks mate for a no nonsense comparison between the two cameras. Its your wallet that will make the decision now :)
I am eagerly waiting for an opportunity to rent a R6 and 100 500 RF glass. That combo will be worthwhile.
I use an entry-level sony alpha mirrorless and that system allows me to save 2 custom settings for photo and dedicated video mode. And the best part, these custom modes don't mess with each other.
Cheers n stay safe.
Thanks for the comment. I think the R7 and RF100-500 will be the ultimate combo, it will be light, super sharp and offer plenty of reach. Yes, the lack of custom video functions on the R6 is a real head scratcher. Cheers, Duade
What I've come to learn is that I appreciate my shots on my FF camera more, with lower megapixels than my crop sensor high megapixel camera. A lot has to do with the lens resolution. When you crop and use more pixels, you are pushing the lens to the limit, and often I find shots might be higher res, but my feeling is that they look softer. The lower mp don't allow pixel peeping as much, which is often a good thing if your lens is not a really expensive prime L lens.
Great video. Loved the photo of the cape barren goose. Nice to see another Aussie
Nat, thanks for the comment, yes, they are beautiful birds, Cheers, Duade
Thank you! This is the most helpful and unbiased comparison I have viewed. I am not a bird photographerr. Mostly landscapes, low-light performances, and street photography. Since 45 MP for cropping was not a key need, I bought the R6 even tho’ I could afford the R5. I prefer the dial, dual SDs, smaller file size, and didn’t notice the EVF difference. I rarely crop much or need to print more than 16x24 inch. But it is good to see your upsampling comparison, to know that occasionally cropping significantly or printing bigger is possible!
Thanks Dorene, I appreciate the feedback, have fun with your R6. Cheers, Duade
Very well narrated video and finally finally I’m glad this is not yet another comparison video where they read out the camera specs. The method applied to compare both cameras is so practical, thank you for all the time and effort you put in for making this video 👍
Thanks great video. I am a bird photographer from NZ and as you say the R5 was horrendously expensive . I made the jump and have not regretted. I had the 7d mk2 before and never craved more megapixels. But I always thought there is a big advantage in having more so bought the R5. A surprise with your tests. Thanks for the video.
great to hear you got the R5, I hate to think what it cost in NZ but good to hear you are enjoying it. I hope to get back to NZ at some stage to photograph those beautiful birds. Cheers, Duade
I own both and just got back from a trip to S. Florida, my first trip with them and I used them about the same amount of shots. I only do stills and have grips on both and never had a problem with battery life going down to where I lost the 12fps. I would recharge the batteries each night and and was good to go.
Being down in the bright Florida sun was the first time I noticed a difference in the EVF of the two. I’ve only had them since winter began at home so it’s been mostly cloudy dark days and I couldn’t tell in these conditions but in bright sun the R5 was noticeably better.
I don’t think people should worry about the megapixels that much and if the R5 is out of your budget you will still get great pictures with the R6.
Thank you very much for sharing your experience, I do find the battery specs confusing from Canon as I get so many more than on the specs. Yes, I found the R5 EVF much nicer to look through. Cheers, Duade
100% agree about wanting to hear the shutter, not to mention, 20 fps is just more than I need 98% of the time. I rack up too many shots that I have to cull through later. 12 fps mechanical is plenty for me 👍
Anyway, SO glad I went for the R5 with 45mp’s. I’ve tried Topaz Gigapixel in the past and for whatever reason, it just didn’t work for me. Great vid Duade 👍 TY 🙂
Thanks mate, I must admit I love the sound of the 1DX but over time I am getting used to silent, it is helpful for flighty birds. I do like on the R3, R7 you can have an audible shutter sound in electronic, I wish we had that on the R6 and R5. Cheers, Duade
If there’s a better review of these two cameras out there I haven’t seen it. Fabulous job Duade! 👏👌✊
Thanks Danny, I appreciate it, Cheers, Duade
Crikeys, that was one of the best comparisons I’ve seen so far. No one else has pointed out how convoluted the switch over to video is on the r6, that’s a bit of a downer for me. Heck my 80d lets me switch to video in an instant. Great review.
Thanks for the comment, I have found a workaround for the video, I can use C3 like manual mode and then it is only one turn to video which isn't as bad. Still, I would have preferred it to work like the R5. Cheers, Duade
Never shot with the R6 - can only speak to the R5 (which I’ve been using since October).
I usually shoot with the 1Dx Mark II (another 20mp sensor). Had save up enough to purchase another pro body on 2020 - was going to be either the 1Dx Mark III or the R5.
The R5 was highly recommended by a few of my sports photographer friends, so glad I listened to them and purchased it. It is my go to body now.
Few reasons I enjoy using the R5 over the 1Dx Mark II:
1. Better auto focus - the eye and head auto focus is a game changer; especially, the animal af. Works really well when focusing on one specific bird in a flock. Back button focusing takes full advantage of this. Initially focus on the bird’s eye, then switch to eye/head auto focus.
2. The 12 fps mechanical isn’t as fast as the 1Dx Mark II, but is adequate. Plus, can get 20 fps electronic. So far, the only birds that have given me a problem with rolling shutter - hummingbirds. Lastly, can get relatively high mp stills from 8K video.
3. Can’t beat the 45 mp sensor. My go to lense is the Canon 300mm 2.8 IS USM Mark II. This lense works exceptionally well with the R5 - the 45 mp sensor takes full advantage of the 300’s sharpness. Unlike a 20mp sensor, the 45mp sensor allows one to crop more aggressively. Plus, as you did for the R6 images. One can upscale R5 images as well and achieve nice results. This is a relatively inexpensive way to achieve greater focal length.
The R5 compared to the R6:
1. Lifetime Shutter Actuations. I mostly shoot with the mechanical shutter - when I found out that the R5 has 500,000 lifetime actuations to the R6s 300,000 - made the decision to purchase the R5 that much easier.
200,000 additional actuations isn't something to easily overlook.
2. Lastly, the R5 is a better camera for all types of photography - portrait, architecture, landscape, or macro. The 45mp sensor allows greater diversity. The only edge I see the R6, and its 20mp sensor having, is in astrophotography.
Ray, thank you for your detailed comparison, I have had the pleasure of using the 300 2.8 and yes it is a super sharp beautiful lens. I agree the R5 is the better camera if you can afford it. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duane. I'm totally with you on the electronic shutter/dopamin issue...both as a photographer and as a technician (I am a geek freak :o). The electronic shutter leaves me without feedback in both areas so I only use it when I absolutely need the silence and not for the increased speed
Exactly the same here, I really miss some sort of obvious feedback from the electronic shutter.
Kai, glad to hear I am not the only one :-) Cheers, Duade
John, I'm with you, I really like the feedback from the mechanical shutter. Cheers, Duade
Never thought about up sampling the R6 files. Great review. Thank You!
Kathy, it is an option should you need a larger file, Cheers, Duade
I really appreciated your comprehensive comparison of the R5 and R6. I live in NZ and our dollar has even less buying power than the Aussie one, plus we pay 15% GST on everything, so price was a critical element in my decision to purchase. As a purely stills shooter, I had no need for the video features of either camera, so the downgrading of those features on the R6 had no impact on me, and I preferred the dual SD cards over the (to me) unnecessary and hugely expensive Express CF cards. I got 2 x R6 bodies, with grips and spare batteries, plus the RF24-105 and 100-500 lenses and found the combination to be awesome. Like you, I would be very interested if Canon DO produce an R7, but there seem to be only rumors at present.
Most of our wildlife is avian or smaller, so I found the samples you provided very appropriate. I too found the IBIS and AEAF to be game changers for me and got a lot more keepers than my 5DIV and 5DsR bodies. I don't produce large, detailed prints; in fact most of my images are displayed digitally, so I don't necessarily need the 45MP of the R5, and as you mentioned the R6 images are outstanding, even cropped. The R6, with its slightly better low light performance (which I put down to the bigger pixels), works for me, as many of my subjects are in the dim light of the NZ bush.
Thank you for your down-to-earth presentations that are rich in information without drama!
Trevor, sounds like you are well and truly sorted. The 100-500 is a fantastic walk around lens being so light. I would love to get back to NZ and spend some time with the beautiful birds. Cheers, Duade
We need an update Duade!! I didn't get the R5II yet. I have the R6II and just bought my second R5. It was only $1900 with a cage and 5 batteries!! Could not pass it up!! It has been MY ROCK!! Imade a video a few months back also talking about the R7 and its issues as well as the R8 which I have also. But, the R7 was a HUGE disappointment and I referenced you as you talked with Canon. I got a lot of hate from R7 enthusiasts!!! Hahahaha....but it does NOT take away from the fact it has focusing issues. great channel and I subbed years ago!!
Great comparison. Appreciate your efforts and thanks a lot for this video !!!
It is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Very helpful...It helps me feel more comfortable with the prospect of working with the R6's 20 megapixel sensor. Appreciate you sharing all the details of how you ended up with the R6, and the second thoughts...helps us relate. Craig
Craig, my pleasure, yes grumpy old man came out that is for sure. Cheers, Duade
thank you for your video. i love my r6 for portrait and wildlife. i will never miss it. happy weekend
Great to hear Marc, likewise, have a great weekend. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade, I've enjoyed your youtube stuff that I've watched, well done. You and Jan are getting me keener again, and I'm sure Canon's new tech will eventually separate me from some dollars. Its a great time to be a photographer. All the best from Trevor Murray
Hi Trevor, great to hear from you, I hope all is well up your way. Yes, these new cameras are very interesting, and I look forward to what is next from Canon. The 300 2.8 would work very well on the R5 ;-) Cheers, Duade
I’m with you on the shutter sound, and good to hear I’m not the only one. 😂
Great comparison, and I was really surprised by the enlargement from the R6 looking so good.
Hi Tom, yes, I don't think I could shoot without the noise now after all these years. Cheers, Duade 👍
What a PHENOMENAL video! Loaded with side by side results. Thanks for sharing.
G'day, my pleasure, Cheers, Duade 👍
Hi ! I own a 6d markii and Thanks i was hesitating to switch to the R6. You just convinced me.
Good luck with the new camera, Cheers, Duade
Just came across your great video. I have the R6 (and R7) and am debating whether or not to step up to the R5 or the R6 Mk2. Having watched your video and seen other videos and reviews I don’t think I can justify the extra expense of the R5 given the excellent results the R6 gives, though like you I did struggle for a while when swopping from a DSLR but the results are getting better all the time now. I’m still contemplating the move up to the R6 Mk2 but need an excellent video like this one to give a direct comparison between the two!
Thank you Dwayne. I have Gigapixel AI software and the Canon R6 and are very happy with your test in upscaling.
Chris, great to hear, Cheers, Duade
This is the sort of informative comparison between these 2 cameras that I have been looking for. Great presentation! Subscribed to your channel. Cheers from the US!
Chris, welcome to the channel, I'm glad you enjoyed it, Cheers, Duade
Great film and a very professional channel. Keep up good work. It is a pleasure to watch. I also use R6 with 400 2.8 + exnteders, 200-400, old 70-200 mark I, also with wide angle lenses and it works very well. Never came back to my old good 7dII. Greetings from Poland
Hi V, great to hear, it is a fantastic camera, Cheers, Duade
Very good point...now I know from your video what happened..using an old or previous version of batteries slows down the system...it happened to me using my 5dmkiv batteries..Thanks
Yes, it appears you need to use the latest batteries to get the full 12fps. Cheers, Duade
Thanks Duade, great job as always. Just placed my order for an R6 based on your recent reviews. You really helped me weigh up the pros, cons against my needs and budget. All the best, David
Great to hear David, I hope you enjoy once it arrives, as I mentioned I was not very happy to start with as it is a big change from DSLR, however over time it grows on you. Cheers, Duade
What a great style of presenting! Spontaneous, to the point and knowledgeable.
I have made this choice 1 a 2 years ago, in COVID time it’s hard to remember. I chose the R6 and you confirmed the reasons of my choice. The advantages of the R5 are too little for my purposes and the price difference too much. I will look into the Topaz.. who knows.
Thanks Wilfred, I hope you have been enjoying your R6, a great camera. Cheers, Duade
Clever. You are the only one I’ve heard talking about upscaling with that software.
Thanks, I don't use it often but it's a great option to have. Cheers, Duade 👍
Because the software is very hit and miss. It *can* deliver great results but most of the times I find the software brings uncomfortable artefacts or makes the image look like painted over and mushy when zoomed in. That beeing said, it is beeing updated frequently and gets better.
Duade, Tell me a little more about the IBIS when using older not is lens............thanks good video
Hi Stan, the IBIS makes the viewfinder steadier making is a little easier to take photos handheld. You can also use slightly slower shutter speeds if required however I would still suggest trying to stay over 1/400 if possible. Cheers, Duade
Thank you for a very comprehensive comparison. I am on the fence between the two - I’m sure we all are! The review of Topaz Gigapixel definitely gives an option to those of us wanting the higher resolution but lower price. The combination of R6 plus Gigapixel seems to be the way I will go :).
yes, it is a very hard decision to make, good luck with the R6. Cheers, Duade
I wonder if R5 + Gigapixel would be even better, or not
@@erikumble, com certeza !
This is a great review/comparison of these two cameras, one of the easiest to watch for sure. I do think that the focal length used between the two cameras in the IQ comparisons should’ve been further acknowledged, given the $4,000-$5,000 different between those two lenses alone. In some regard one could look at the R5 as a way to SAVE money from having to upgrade from 500mm to 600mm.
a great point, it would be a tough choice between the R5/500 or R6/600. I think ultimately the lens is more important so I would always choose the better lens. Cheers, Duade
16:50 I suggest using C3 but set "Auto update set" to "Enable." That way, your C3 will be what it was the last time you used it when you go back to it.
Thank you very much Ashley, someone below suggested the same and I am very grateful for the advice as this is exactly what I need, and it will help me access video a lot quicker. It's funny how we can use cameras for years and simply overlook features and settings. Thanks again, Cheers, Duade
Great idea Ashley, thank you. I only got my R6 a week ago and this has already helped me.
Hi, Duade.
What a great video.
Great pace and clarity of thought. Engaging, too. Thank you.
I don't have any camera, yet, but want to start bird photography.
Thete is so much out there that is contradictory- lots of opinions.
I guess I'm still stuck on the r6 mark ii or r5.
The r6 might be better for me as I want a canera for general use, too.
I never thought it would be so confusing.
But your opinions are so useful.
I will have to start somewhere so I'll save a bit of money and avoid the r5.
G'day, my pleasure, might get even more confusing when the R5II is released, that may push prices down of the original R5. Cheers, Duade
@Duade R6 ordered. Looking forward to watching your other tutorials, too!
I was take the R6 (v 1) from the 5D mark III and was sad to have only 20mp compared to the R5 or R7 (fewer than the 5d), and thinking it was not enough for cropping my photos.
thank you a lot for your video :) Realy clear and detailed explanation. I am happy to see i dont lost a lot with fewer MP (sorry for my englinsh and greating from france)
Hey Duade, Even though I use Nikon... I enjoyed the video about the two cameras. The great thing about me not vlogging... Is I don't have outtakes. Ha... But, it is always fun seeing yours! You make it all look real. Fun stuff! Sayin' hey... Greg
Thanks Greg, yes they are always fun to include. Cheers, Duade 👍
I ordered the R6 basically for the same reasons as you. The R5 with the additional costs is too expensive. I’m not a professional photographer and too old to become one. However I do get out and take wildlife and outdoor scenery photos and feel the R6 will do what I want. Thanks for your work and advice!
it is my pleasure, the R6 is a fantastic camera for its price and I am sure will capture you many wonderful shots, Cheers, Duade
Just when I had finally settled on the R5 you show me I could use the R6 and save $. Back to the drawing board! 😂. I really appreciate your videos.
Don't go for the R5 unless you need 8k which nobody needs currently. Megapixel was an issue but as everybody has confirmed 20 Mp is more than enough for all your work and now he showed that we can upscale if really needed. Save that 1100$ and buy lenses which are much more important than the body, especially as everything else like AF, IBIS, FPS, handling, are same between the two. I am going with the R6 and the RF 24-105 f4L as i will shoot landscape so F2.8 not really necessary, but you can get that with the extra saved money if you go fro the R6
@@souptikmukhopadhyay6531 thanks. That was my original thought as well (spend $ on lenses). then I began to think about the crop-ability of r5! I’m strictly an amateur and upgrading from a consumer grade camera... either will be an amazing improvement especially for low light.
@@darrinwebb3724 same as me here. I had a 550D for 9 years and finally I can afford my full frame. I had 18 Mp in my 550D and still could crop till 50% easily Or even more, so 20 Mp will give a little bit more than that. And honestly if any person need to crop even more than 50% then he / she really need to learn composition instead of cropping :p. Don't worry you will get some amount of cropping on R6 and the rest will be like a challenge to improve your composition instead. Also you can use thr saved money to get a telephoto lens so that you don't need to crop!
Thanks Darrin, it is a tough decision that is for sure. Good luck with it. Cheers, Duade
This and Jan’s comparison are so helpful - thank you for this video! I was sold on the R6…but I continuously switch between photo and video and I would have been very upset to learn I needed to fumble with the knob and settings every I wanted to switch between modes on the R6…that alone is nearly worth the extra price for me when the hassle is spread over countless shoots.
Thanks for the comment, there is a slight workaround for the R6, you shoot photos in C3 and have it set to remember your last settings. It is then one turn to the video mode which makes it much quicker. But the single button push on the R5 is very handy. Cheers, Duade
Thanks Duade, your video was worth the wait. I'm still torn but the R6 is looking more likely. I don't use video and I couldn't tell enough difference between the image comparisons to justify the R5 price. I might miss the top screen though. Thanks
Hi Ricky, I thought I would miss the top screen more however I haven't really missed it as all the information is in the viewfinder. Cheers, Duade
One of the best reviews I ever seen. 👍
Günter, thanks for the kind words, Cheers, Duade
Great video, loving all your stuffs far. I'm currently crippled with indecision about whether R6 or R5 should be my new camera. While I could just afford to purchase the R5 I'm having trouble justifying that decision as the only reason it's even on the table is the 45mp sensor so that I could potentially have a bit more reach sometimes if I need to crop heavily. Video is of no interest to me so some in-between model with a bigger sensor but chuck the 8k video to lower the 2000Euro price difference would be nice 👌.
Only thing I'd have added to the video would have been to show the r6 images pre giga pixel upscale as well as post
Cheers 🍻
Thanks for that, yes, it is a very hard decision to make, I think the R7 maybe the camera I am after, we will see. Good point re showing the R6 native images. If you are interested, I have a gallery of all the shots I have taken with the R6 and none used Topaz Gigapixel. photos.duadepaton.com/RUclips/Canon-R6
Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I too am hoping the R7 will be a good bridge between the two but I am wondering how good the ISO performance will be. I believe it will share the sensor with the 90d, which I found struggled in low light conditions.
Thanks Duade, another very informative video 10 out of 10. Bests George. Sweden
George, you are too kind, thank you for the feedback, Cheers, Duade
Excellent comparison and thanks, Duade. Not sure when the "R7" comes into play.
Julian, I am waiting patiently, seems like I have been waiting a long time. Cheers, Duade
Very professional comparison. I am wonder the image quality is very similar between these two cameras (20 vs 45mp).
You make me feel more comfortable and confidence to stick with my lovely r6. Thanks a lot.
Ho, they are very similar and if you are not cropping a lot it is hard to tell the difference. Cheers, Duade
Great video Duade as a Sony user coming up with the same dilemma do you need a sony A9 with 25MP or the new Sony A1 with 50 MP ? Well should be getting the camera soon on my channel! Very keen on the low light capabilities and advantages of being able to crop to 21MP ! Should be awesome but we will see test coming ! 👍🤔
Yes, very tough decisions, arent we lucky to even have these choices. Have fun with the A1, Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Very true Duade nice problem to have !
I was about to go with the R6 as my next body but the FPS problems with older lenses will make me rethink this. I have a EF 500mm F4 IS USM MK1 made in 2007.
Kimmo, yes it does have the FPS restriction in mechanical mode, I do not believe that restriction exists when using the 20fps electronic mode. It also only has 80% AF coverage. In saying that the camera is a big step up from the DSLR's. Cheers, Duade
Few people talk about upscaling image size with software as opposed to more megapixels. Your comparison was interesting and valuable information. I also appreciate the info on battery life. I think many people interested in mirrorless but put off by battery life specs will be happy to hear your experience.
Hi Woody, my pleasure, yes, the battery thing does confuse me as I am not having any issues. Cheers, Duade
I heard photoshop has a new feature for upscaling photos
@@stephencurah1059 I like Matt's video on this, you might check it out: ruclips.net/video/NFPfAw1Gxxk/видео.html
Excellent review! You answered all my questions.
this was a very useful video ! I have been using the R6 which I love for for about a year and needed a 2nd body so I just ordered the R5 - I think I'll enjoy the larger MP in the field and on the go and the viewfinder sounds great! thank you for all the great info to help in my decision making process! :)
Congrats Phillip, you will enjoy the R5, my R6 is my main film camera now. Cheers, Duade
What lenses did you get when first purchasing the R6. I’m coming from an APS-C camera and lenses so I’m looking at getting all new glass. Thank you!
@@wheresjimmy247 the 100-500 is great for birds - for general use the Canon RF 24-240mm f/4-6.3 IS is my goto - I've shot the most with it walking around / events
@@PhillipGuyton I’d love to get the 100-500 but that may be a purchase for down the road. I’ll look into your general purpose lens as well. Thanks!
Thank you very much for your interesting reviews and great photos, Duade! And what about Canon RP, is it a challenger to any of these cameras?
Alex, my pleasure, unfortunately the RP is Canons early mirrorless so I would be waiting until they release some more affordable mirrorless bodies in the future as they will inherit the better technology. Cheers, Duade
Great video mate, I was very surprised at how well the R6 stacked up against the R5 as far as image quality goes. I just checked out rumoured specs on R7 and was a bit disappointed so R5 might be king for a while 👍
Trevor, yes, the R5 will be the top camera until the R1 arrives, the R7 will just offer that extra reach at a more affordable price which is attractive to many. I just worry about its high ISO performance. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade The R5s looks interesting, 90mp, apparently it’s replacing the 5Ds, hope they improve ISO though because I do find the 5Dsr a little bit noisy👍
Good video Duade. I like the R5 better. Build quality and high mp are key to me. I really enjoy your videos :)
Thanks Steve, yes, the R5 is the better camera for sure, Cheers ,Duade
Excellent review as usual. I just get the hand on a R5 for 3400 usd. The camera only has 2000 actuation. And I will sell my R6.
It took me lot of reviews to decide. I was 8n a way to buy a R 7...
Thanks for your fantastic channel.
Congrats Daniel on the R5, a wonderful camera for sure. Cheers, Duade
Great video, Duade. Informative and well presented.
Thanks Clive, glad you enjoyed it, Cheers, Duade
Nice video, thanks very much. The biggest investment for any bird pro/am photographer will be the glass. But the new F11 lenses IMO may be a real game changer with these bodies.
Andrew, yes I agree re the glass. You are right the f/11 lenses offer focal length at a very affordable price and I look forward to seeing what else Canon do. Cheers, Duade
Nice work as ever.
Only thing I would say is, having just played around with Topaz Sharpen and Denoise , they both do a lot of work on sharpening and noise reduction (even though each tool focuses on one over the other). I’m would take a guess (but I haven’t used it though) that part of their Gigapixel AI tool is applying some of the impressive sharpening they do across their toolset.
That would really help the R6 upscaled (and I’m guessing sharpened) image over a raw R5 image.
What would be great to see is you upscaling the R5 image up by a similar ratio and then comparing the extra subject size, resolution and detail you get out of those extra MP.
Cracking video as ever mate 👍🏼
Thank you, you are correct, I should have made it very clear that Topaz has applied some sharpening to the R6 image. I am always learning and will be sure to do that in future videos. I suspect the R5 would upscale very well. Cheers, Duade
You’ve got a cracking channel here Duade!
Maybe it’s an idea for another video to do some comparisons on upscaling and sharpening options. With your mate with the 600mm, you could do some comparisons on cropping your 500mm to match his angle of view after upscaling and sharpening.
@@jebjeb79 Thank you, yes, that could make an interesting video talking about the differences between the two lenses and focal lengths. Cheers, Duade
Great comparison, thanks Duade. Greetings from Wales.
Hi Emyr, thanks and congrats on a good start to the 6N. Cheers, Duade
The outtakes makes you so much more human 😂🙈 thanks for appending them to the end. 👍
There is a reason everything just runs smoothly and flawlessly throughout the whole video: its work and repetition for every single take. I find this highly professional and enjoyable. Thanks for sharing 👍🍻
I'm glad you enjoy them, thankfully I get some of it right on the first attempt. The filming is actually the quick part, the script and editing is what takes all the time. Cheers, Duade
Great video Duade. I still using my 7d mk ii, while waiting for the specks on the r7 before deciding which camera i will buy. Hopefully the r7 will be an amazing wildlife camera.
Bjørn-Einar we can only hope, I think it would be amazing if the R7 was the same as the R6 with a different sensor. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thats what i am hoping for. Just time will show, and i am exited to see how it will turn out 📸 Cheers
Thanks a lot for this vlog! I love the shutter sound, though I always use the minimun shutter noise with my Fuji xt4! My old canon 5dsr makes a louder noise! I think it's my old brain LOL ! Very useful video indeed!!!!!
Thanks Daniela, I see the new R3 has the audible shutter as do the Sony bodies so I think all future cameras will have it. Unfortunately, I don't know it the R5/R6 will ever get it. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I love the new Sony A1, as I do birding as well, to be honest I can't even think of buying those f 8, or f 11 lenses! Imagine that in during sunset, when the birds go to sleep? (best time for them as well as dawn) , oh well, we will see what the future will bring!Best for you from Uruguay.
Thank you! Just what I needed! But the R5 does support SD in one of the slots according to what I’ve read???
“Slot 2 supports SD/SDHC/SDXC UHS-I and UHS-II memory cards”
Yes, the R5 does have one SD slot and one CF Express B slot. Cheers, Duade
Great video and great comparisons. If I had to choose right now, it would be the R6 because of price. And price of RF glass is the biggest reason I'm not ready to make the switch yet. EF w/adaptor might work, but I'm happy with my current equipment.
Thanks John, yes, the RF glass is very expensive indeed, I would love the RF100-500 but it is close to 5k AUD which is hard to justify. Cheers, Duade
Really good video! Have you ever tried using the c-raw setting?
no, I haven't but it appears to be very similar and a way to save space if you need it. I guess if I can record the highest possible quality I would prefer to do that and the R6 files aren't too bad at 25mb. Cheers, Duade
Nice one buddy, i'll stick with my R5 to be fair until the R1DX or 1DXR comes out 😉😂
JP, the R5 is the better camera, I'm just happy I have got the R6 working better for me. Cheers, Duade
As always a great review, very detailed and real world - Thanks . Ian (UK)
Hi Ian, thank you, Cheers, Duade
Can you make a video about upscaling the images of the r6?it would be very interesting to see, what this upscaling does 😄
Hi Fiete, there is not much to it, load the TIF file in the software, tell it the size you want and it upscales it. Now the more you upscale the more likely you are to encounter issues however it worked well with the R6 files I used. In the real world you will rarely need to upscale unless you are printing large or using in some sort of publication perhaps. Cheers, Duade
The price was the deciding factor for me. But your video perhaps flagged the good about R6. Buying it this weekend. Cheers
Congrats, good luck with the camera, Cheers, Duade
Thanks so much for a fantastic review ! Have you used any Tamron products on such as their 100-400 or 70-200G2 on your R6? If so thoughts thanks
I have only used their 150-600 and it worked well except for a some focus issues where I would get a few soft shots in between sharp shots which was odd. I used their new 150-500 on the Sony and it was excellent. Cheers, Duade
When you upscale an image, the noise(dots) are also upsize. I’ll denoise(10%-20%) it first then upscale, find the percentage balance between the amount of detail vs noise, being removed. However, if I know before hand, I’m upscaling it. I’ll go ahead and use the lowest iso possible(tripod or IS) that way, noise are less prevalent after upscaling it. Avoid too much shadow digging(in post) and position subject in good light if possible.
Thanks for that, good advice. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the terrific comparison between the two cameras. I chose the R5 primarily because of the larger sensor resolution and VF resolution. You might note that the TIFF files from the R5 out of Lightroom to go to the Topaz products are absolutely huge, about 280MB. Would love your opinions on using CRAW vs RAW in these cameras. I have used both in my processing and for the life of me cannot see any differences in processed image quality. What do you think? Also, have you found any other answers to the "sticky" focus point issue? Again, thanks for the great videos!
Ben, I apologise for the late response, your comment popped up today a month later?? Yes, the VF is much better in the R5. Yes, the TIF files are large for the R5 and you can quickly fill up hard drives that is for sure. I have not tried CRAW but I have read people cannot tell the difference. I usually delete the TIF file once I have finished processing the image to help save space. Cheers, Duade
I’ve had the R6 for a month or so. I use C3 as my manual mode (with auto-update option on) to be closer to the video mode as you suggested. I just never shoot in the “true” M mode anymore.
Thanks for the feedback, I too now use C3 as its one turn to Video which makes it easier. Cheers, Duade
Great tip about slower fps when using Adapted / EF lenses. Is the same true for the R7? You might have talked me out of an R5!
Steven, yes, this is true for the R7 also. In saying that 20fps in electronic is still very fast. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thanks Duade. Appears Canon have published a list of the EF lenses that will achieve full fps on R series bodies. For ex: EF100-400 v. II will, while the v1 will not . ( I read the list after posing my question, and currently can't find the link!)
I was also thinking a long time about which one to get, because they are so similar, and went with the R5 in the end. And I am absolutely loving it, it's a big improvement compared the 5D mark iv I had before. But if I need (and can afford) a second body at some point, I am going to buy the R6.
That is great to hear, the R5 is a beautiful camera. Cheers, Duade
The upscale will also work on the r5 still giving the high res camera the edge over the low res camera.
Yes, that is a very good point, the R5 can be upscaled even more. Cheers, Duade
Great video mate, showing some interesting points and the good IQ of the R6. Most programs will do a much worse job than topaz in upscaling
Thanks mate, yes Topaz seems to be the pick of the bunch. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade, great review. I'm a birder with a camera (dangerous) just bought the R6 I think its fantastic. I was unsure which to go for R5 or R6 glad I went with R6 and now have some money to buy a better lens. This review has made me think I picked the right body for me. Would love to hear you thoughts on the RF100 - 500, RF800 and 1.4x 2.0x converters. From wet and cold England
Hi Andrew, the 100-500 is fantastic and would be a great addition to anyones kit. The RF800 is a very case specific lens and not one I would buy. Hopefully Jan and I can do a video showing the differences. Cheers, Duade
Another great video, I have the R5 and the gigapixel software, would be interesting to try a cropped R5 image upscaled not done it yet 🤔
I have done this frequently with good results. For a severe crop, I upscale first, then do my processing on the upscaled version. There have been a few failures, but for most images, it works very well.
Thanks Ben for your input. Cheers, Duade
Hi Paul, I am sure it works very well, I will be honest that I rarely upscale as I don't print that often. Cheers, Duade
I was looking to replace my 11 years old camera with mirrorless one. Did a lot of research and like R6 but couldn't justify cost of this camera for my needs. However two weeks ago when Canon drop the price on factory refurbished R6 and RF 24-105 f4 L lens, I pull the trigger and purchased from Canon Online store R6 body for $1700 USD and lens for $720 USD. The camera and lens arrived in absolutely new condition, I couldn't be happier with my purchase.
In regards of pixels - Overall visual quality of the R6(20 megapixels) is almost indistinguishable from that of the R5(45 megapixels) may have more to do with the surface area of their respective pixel units which determines the amount of light being captured by each pixel. You see, while the R5 has 45 megapixels, the surface area of each of its pixel units is 4.40 µm square which is about 2/3 the size of the surface area of each pixel unit in the R6 with 20 megapixels, which is 6.56 µm square.
When you calculate this out, you'll find that the pixel surface area of the R6 is equal to a sensor with 30.45 megapixels having a pixel surface area of 4.40 µm squared. Additionally, the larger pixel sites in the R6 capture more light that likely creates greater saturation that also produces a somewhat smoother appearance of the captured image.