Had it on a Z1B on the road circa 1977, pulled the tank off, put some silver foil in the fuse holder, moved the bars and tugged on the loom, puff of smoke from near the headstock and a couple of mins with a knife and some tape and all was well as a get me home. Life was much simpler then without all the emmissions and "modes" and other cobblers that folk seem to think are needed, all extra wires and do dads to cause trouble. Modern bikes wiring and plumbing all out in the open looks gash too!
There is a recall by Lukas the distribution company for this. The loom will need replacing plus grommets for where the wiring goes into the headlight along with dipstick and clutch bolts replaced. Quite extensive. You will get a free neck warmer and cleaning kit as a sorry. Hope that helps
This exact problem happened to me in 1976 on a Kawasaki KH250 of all bikes! As soon as I saw it I guessed it was a broken wire caused by streching inside the loom by the head stock. I found the wire which still had the insulatin intact, but the copper wire was severed internally. I managed to fix it myself.
Had exactly the same thing on an '09 Tuono. The wires in the harness were twisted into a knot prior to the harness being wrapped and one wire was nearly an inch shorter than the rest leading to the solder joint breaking. Once I unwrapped the harness and untangling the wires I could resolding the ignition to the the switch terminal and re wrap the harness properly.
Same here on my KWAK Z650B2 kept blowing the main fuses and it was where the wires went into the back of the headlight chafing on the sharp edge and eventually wore through the insulation on the wire exposing the copper then earthing itself!
I am sorry for your pain! I was very tempted to get one when I first heard BSA is coming back but once I saw one in the flesh at Copdock I changed my mind. The stickers, instead of proper castings, the welds, and worst of all the painted engine casings really put me off. The same company, I believe, owns the rights for Jawa in India and there were plenty of quality complaints from local RUclips channels with regards to quality. I wish you all the best with getting the bike sorted and just get rid if you can.
@@bobmichaels8663 Cheers Bob. I honestly bought thinking all the influencers were 100% truthful with the “all the problems are fixed” and I fell flat on my face with this one.
Hi Alex, Hope this helps, We had the same problems with some machinery we used to make. It turned out that the wires in the looms was the wrong type, ( cheap ) For this type of application the internal wires should be of : Continous Flex specification. Copper work hardens as it is continually bent, and eventually breaks. As I recall, the continuous flex cable also contains an anti frictional powder to aid strands sliding against each other. Regards MikeN
Great video again Alex and every BSA owner who hasn't had a problem is surely very grateful for you explaining the problem to them. You've done the dealers work for him. From talk about dealer health check and freebies around this problem it seems that it is a known issue for BSA and therefore should be resolved easily.
Some Triumph models have the same problem, i had it on a 2017 street scrambler which was done under recal and my mate had it on his 2021 900 gt pro but initially they said it was wear and tear, how crazy is that. Just Google triumph streering head stock recal to back up my comment. Yes the reason you got a bargain is probably because the owner could not solve the intermittent fault which you have done. Credit to you for solving it and for helping others with the same problem,
Just reroute the wiring harnesses, I have a similar issue with a SWM every time I turned the steering would blow a fuze . Turned out a wire was exposed and a bare wire would touch the frame . So I rerouted the harness and it fixed the problem.So that’s you problem as well looks like .
1990 Suzuki VX800 : I owned it in 2022 and one day it just stopped. The battery was flat. When I got it back to the workshop I found a break in the wiring. In the original wiring loom dating back to when it was made there a was a crimped joint in the supply from the alternater. That joint had been sitting there for over 30 years just waiting to break. These things do happen,
You need to open up the loom at the point / area causing the problem and search the wiring for the fault. Well, that's what I would do. I had a similar problem with my Triumph Bonneville and it was a broken wire in the loom.👍
I had a similar problem with my 2014 , Royal Enfield Thunderbird 500. I had to change the full wiring harness and turned out an expensive exercise. Royal Enfield has come a long way in quality, though nowhere near the Japanese manufacturers or Triumph. In today's very competitive market, BSA needs to at least match Royal Enfield if not exceed it in quality and performance considering BSA's premium pricing.
The health check fixes this known issue with early 2023 bikes. As It includes a replacement loom It also includes rubber grommets to seal the headlamp. As well as the other good fixes/updates. The auxiliary plug you looked at is for ancillary kit, I use a splitter and have heated grips and sat nav running from it. My bike has had zero issues in 7000 miles. But still had the updates. Get the health check done and your £2k bike will be the bargain you hoped it would be.
@mototingle good demonstration of the reason BSA proactively recalled bikes for a health-check to relocate the loom and fix damage if it had occurred. Most of us early adopters are of an age and experience we knew the risk associated with being on the bleeding edge of owning a brand new designed motorcycle. BSA have responded brilliantly and backed up their brand with a 4 year warranty for us.
@ well you did say you didn’t want to wait for a new loom. Is it that bad? I have to say I don’t think all mechanics can do decent electrical work. Just look at that solder joint on the tracker fit.
@@LumpyCarbs I never said to you that I do not want a new loom, I said that it’s a joke to have to wait three months for one. Facts are important. If I had a repair and was offered a replacement loom when it comes into stock, this is acceptable to me. Who wouldn’t want a new loom?
@@iang2204 my bike was engine no. 200 off a brand new assembly line. New build assembly process plan , new staff training, new build QA. Which bit is not bleeding edge?
The loom has to be able to move a bit at the steering head. That large plastic clamp looks a bit overkill. It's not just looms, cables can be routed in ways that compromises good function. My partner's old Taiwanese 125 had the most torturous clutch cable routing leading to an incredibly heavy action, lots of bends and clamps to the frame to "tidy" things up. Removing these restrictions improved things dramatically.
Alex. This is a carbon copy of my troubles that i had on a bike so i know how frustrating it is. At the moment you can't trust it can you ! You can rest assured the "Break" has to be on the Ignition Side because the engine cuts out so if you knew the ignition colours then you could narrow it down. Saying that, if it's under warranty then the dealer ought to sort it. Apart from everything else i think they are a nice looking bike. It's strange though that no dealer seems to want them back though to trade back in. I wonder why🤔?
you need a cable guide or a clamp to prevent the harness dropping down into the stops on the lower yoke, i would have though that a simple metal guide would have sufficed to do that
I think some comments should just be ignored and not commented upon, if you don’t like the video don’t watch it. it’s a simple thing to do, if you like the video drop a comment! Keep the videos coming and don’t worry!
@MotoTingle great, good to hear. Just a tip from a retired aircraft inspector, you can generally see more with your eyes or eyes and mirror than many electronic devices. Borascopes and such are brilliant for certain applications but most faults are found with the eyes. I will follow coz you have perked my interest. Good luck.
Having worked on bike electrics for years, its not unknown for poor quality wiring to corrode and rot within a harness. Volvo suffered this problem some years back when various issued were traced back to rotten wiring. Good Luck.
The dreaded black wire corrosion I know it well, usually on neutrals as some of the Tech papers called it Neutral Wire corrosion, I read lots about it about 25/35 years ago but nothing definitive.. Try cleaning and soldering those ! ! ;-) thankfully the BSA problem is an easy fix on a new harness, just a soldering iron, shrink tube and a heat gun.
Well done, you've done the dealers job. ( if your an warrenty) Now, you have identified a potentially dangerous issue with the electrical circuit probably due to either wiring separation and / or electrical short. In my opinion, this is a bad workmanship issue ( installation ) or a loom which is too short, which has caused damage to part of the bike. If you are in warrenty, I would accept nothing less than a new loom, and restart of the warrenty ( if your lucky ) If you are not in warrenty, fix it yourself, dealers will try to get away with the fastest, cheapest option. Check your consumer rights before you approach your dealer, then you know your legal position Dont rely on good luck or goodwill, it doesnt exist . The fact is it could be dangerous, and motorcycling is dangerous enough without knowingly riding a faulty machine. In India, it could; and would be fixed on any street corner, but you are not in India. Regards MikeN
@@MotoTingle If you are under warrenty, I would get the terms and conditions of the warrenty checked by a legal bod or Citizens Advice. / consumers rights advice etc.. I would expect that refusal to uphold the warrenty for the reason of making your video is probably illegal, However, if you look on line for Automotive Loom Manufactures, theres a number of reputable UK suppliers. I would also publish the Dealer details, once you get the refusal reason in writing from them . Once fixed, bin it __ if it doesnt cost you too much. Indefencable treatment of a customer in my humble opinion !! If you weren't the owner, I would think you were making it up Sorry for your demise, but dont just drop it, I'm sure theres a shed load of viewers watching worldwide watching your progress Or lack of it !! Regards MikeN
Thanks for sharing this. I've got the same extreme tightness of harness around the steering stem of my BSA, so tight that is pulling really hard on the wiring when in the left lock position. It is as if the harness is too short. It is actually so tight on left lock that I am not happy to use the steering lock any more. My bike is actually new and the harness has not worn through yet. It had already had the health check updates prior to purchase. As my dealer is quite a distance away, I feel I need to free the harness off myself, if I can, before wiring damage occurs, which would look to be inevitable in the longer term. Is there any chance of you doing another video to show how to get at the loom under the tank/how to remove the tank to create some slack?
I certainly will do a video for you. Ill point out all the tools and procedures. However you should always discuss this with your supplying dealer as this class of "modification" may invalidate your warranty, as crazy as it may sound.
It's a common fault on some BMWs. I fixed my mates 1150RT by opening the loom to find the faulty wire and then cut the loom there an inserted a multi pin plug, the extra length that provided cured the problem. Looks a bit too tight for that dodge on your BSA though. I hope you have a successful outcome. Edward
Stuart Fillingham bought one. Banging on about how great it is. I used to watch his stuff because I'm a Royal Enfield fan. However. After him plugging the Goldstar, I gave up on him. I'm sorry you have to deal with one thing after another. It shouldn't be like this in 2024. Get it running and flog it. Take the hit and move on.
1977 Queens Jubilee Bonnie. Same problem and when I stripped the wiring back there was a joint of three wires the were soldered when the builder at Meriden must have still been under the influence of the previous nights mushrooms. The whole bike was without doubt the worst made bike I have ever owned. My brother had a ‘74 right sight shift, disc front brake Bonnie that escaped during the sit in. That bike was superb. Fast, smooth, responsive and a joy to have.
@ I think they thought people would put them in glass cases as an investment. I expected mine to be better than my bruvs 650…. What a let down. I feel sorry for you for taking the plunge and I admire your staunch attitude. I hope you fix it or get it sorted under warranty. I looked at these bikes because I’v heared the horror stories but I want a bike to pull my sidecar. I’ve got old Brits and Guzzis, even a Hardley Sportster but I’d like to have a go at the new Beeza. I’m no stranger to spannering.
Blimey, my '79 Bonnie was fantastic. You get a good one and they are very good, but it also seems you get a bad one and it's just keeps suffering. I had a problematic 650 earlier on but stripped it and checked it out, turned out the oil ways were blocked inside the crank. It ran great after that, at least until someone stole it. 😥
@@DirkGentley42 my Bonnie was just badly made. The final f up was while having a spirited ride, I slotted into top gear and there was a big bang. The sleeve gear decided not to play and I ended up with the worlds first Triumph Bonnie horizontally split crankcases. Rebuilt it but I couldn’t bear to ride the pile of poo anymore. Plus side was I got a really good price for it.
Emberer C390 Millennium is an Indian version of a joint venture by Mahindra. This company owns BSA, one of the world's largest car and tractor manufacturers.
I commend your attitude. I didn't buy a new Harley for this reason. I would want it to be spot on and it wouldn't be. I chose to buy the best 25 year old example and put another £3k into it. Still half the price of new. I have FXDL clockmaker edition. Did 10 years in electronics and a diploma in horology. We need to set up skills share,RUclips is great but making it look easy is also a skill.
My 08 speed triple had developed a broken wire just with years off use ,,had my LHS switch gear going off ,, after I'd changed the horn twice 😢,, but on a new motorbike bit poor,,but it's a nice looking bike,, hope it gets fixed soon,, doesn't dull your enjoyment,, ☺️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland bit off thin rubber on the loom at the tight spot after it's fixed,,no chaffing,,??
Hi again Alex Keep going !! 3.6k + views and counting. All for the cost of supplying and fitting one , lousy loom. Whoever is refusing your warrenty request needs to be exposed. With the reports of the volumes of bike dealers going to the wall, they should be falling over themselves to make you happy. This saga is infuriating me. If this were my project to fix, I would be looking to make a sub loom, from the non flexing portion of the loom into the headlight. You would need the continuous flex wiring spec and a calibrated crimp tool for the pins etc, PS I bought a RE this year, and didnt evdn take it back for the first service , such is my disgust of the general motor trade that I wouldn't even give them a chance to mess it up. Regards MikeN
@@michaelnicholson5218 Thanks, I’m with you. It’s dreadful that a fault like this does deserve communication from BSA. Instead they stay silent and authorised a repair instead of replacement. I asked for a replacement loom, denied 48hours later. Wait till you see the repair… You wouldn’t buy the bike if you knew it was there.
I can see it now _ a chop block and tape up., if I'm not mistaken. Just what you would get on any street corner in India. I've been there, so many times _ believe me !!! A get you home repair, but not a long term solution, and definitely not a European or Far East manufacturers response They have so, so much to learn. But in defence, it's a country which is very much a " make do and mend" mentality. It's in their mindset. RE have seen the light, that's one reason why they are cleaning up, My advice is: you will never be happy with the product _ due to this experience, Take the hit and get rid of the bike and the stress. PS No __ I wouldn't buy it unless I planned to rebuild it.
@@MotoTingle Just a bit of background so you understand my thought train. I worked in India and the Far East in engineering ( this is only engineering after all ) for more than 20 years, in particular China. India was BY FAR the most demanding. They want the absolute best, but want to pay the least. Conversely, they want to supply the least for the highest price. They are the best business people I ever met. The country is still a place of "contrast" at every level and every westerner should visit there, to appreciate the differences to the West, this is where WE could learn from them. Ruthless. To BSA India your videos are probably an insult __ if I'm honest. This is probably why you have got the response you have. They are so rich and powerful in their market they dont care about the singular customer, only their image counts. You probably will not win this one, you can only cause them product confidence damage. Hope this helps with the stress levels Rgds MikeN
Sherlock Holmes has nothing on you. :) Surely if you wrap some really really heavy duty insulation tape around the loom, where it is touching the frame it would solve the issue? (At least temporarily). Also I would touch up the area with paint on the frame where it has been arcing.
Well only a few years ago (2019 from memory) even the display interceptors on EICMA (milan) had rusty welds painted with silver paint to cover up bad production practices….. seen quite a few.. not meant as a rant on Enfield, but they are not perfect by definition. But hey, who likes perfect 😊
@@motolab.EuropeanMotorcycles My 2019 Interceptor had a silver paint applied to the welds on the exhaust system. It polishes off without too much elbow grease & no rust has appeared on the welds subsequently - certainly wasn't applied to cover any rust at manufacture. I generally find the Interceptor to be reasonably well finished, with only the unsealed polished aluminium castings requiring regular polishing to keep up to them. But a coat of a ceramic sealant has reduced that chore to once or twice a year now.. Paint is an a par with the Honda NC750S I p/xed for the RE.
Now all brands and dealers are really struggling. I contacted Lukas because I never got a letter for the health check and confirmed that mine had it done. Bought in August. I read that early models in factory at COVID times had supplies issues from providers. RE also have fuse problems. At least our motorcycles have not a 1.2 Pure tech engine from PSA. Our Rotax engines are very simple and can be fixed with a clip, a rubber, cello tape and bit of help from McGyver
@@paulbudford it’s driving the fault underground. People have become afraid to talk about it. Three emails this morning from owners with my issue. I’ve offered advice to each one.
In a previous video I was riding along and the bike shut down at 45Mph, gave me a proper scare I can tell you, at the side of the road in the rain I show the issue and had to get recovery.
@ john hayes : my 1935 bsa M35-11 is still on its original wiring (braided and lacquered cotton, really!) and everything still works like a charm…. I have quite a few original BSA’s, even a 1972 B50 also still on its original wiring loom… the reputation you are referring to, you can not blame the BSA factory for tbh… For problems only a few miles from new in this case, is another story though..
Awful design. Such a tight bend/unbend, locked in place and unable to move. Good practice ought to have a section following the head-stock up/down, to give a gentle twisting action over a decent length of loom so as not to work-harden or chaff the system. This is basic stuff FFS!
Let's be honest, it is a BSA in name only, the current plethora of "motorbikes" oozing from the Indian sub-continent have no connection whatsoever to the heritage of a once great British manufacturer. In the UK these examples of cachu appear to be aimed at the old timers trying to jump on the heritage bandwagon and relive their youth oogling at bikes bike they could never afford at the time. It will all end in tears. If a BSA badge was stuck on a donkey's backside it will still be an donkey......eeh awh!
Had it on a Z1B on the road circa 1977, pulled the tank off, put some silver foil in the fuse holder, moved the bars and tugged on the loom, puff of smoke from near the headstock and a couple of mins with a knife and some tape and all was well as a get me home. Life was much simpler then without all the emmissions and "modes" and other cobblers that folk seem to think are needed, all extra wires and do dads to cause trouble. Modern bikes wiring and plumbing all out in the open looks gash too!
Maybe it is to provide the younger rider with the genuine 60s experience.
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There is a recall by Lukas the distribution company for this. The loom will need replacing plus grommets for where the wiring goes into the headlight along with dipstick and clutch bolts replaced. Quite extensive. You will get a free neck warmer and cleaning kit as a sorry. Hope that helps
Yeah, I didn’t get a neck warmer or a wiring loom. You’ll see what I got in an upcoming video
Lucas.
A company responsible for the superb electrical systems on vintage 60s and 70s classic cars.
Sarcasm intended.
No association to Lucas, the BSA suppliers are called Lukas@HouseholdDog
This exact problem happened to me in 1976 on a Kawasaki KH250 of all bikes! As soon as I saw it I guessed it was a broken wire caused by streching inside the loom by the head stock. I found the wire which still had the insulatin intact, but the copper wire was severed internally. I managed to fix it myself.
I’d have loved to dig deeper but it’s under warranty. Glad you sorted yours
Had exactly the same thing on an '09 Tuono. The wires in the harness were twisted into a knot prior to the harness being wrapped and one wire was nearly an inch shorter than the rest leading to the solder joint breaking. Once I unwrapped the harness and untangling the wires I could resolding the ignition to the the switch terminal and re wrap the harness properly.
Same here on my KWAK Z650B2 kept blowing the main fuses and it was where the wires went into the back of the headlight chafing on the sharp edge and eventually wore through the insulation on the wire exposing the copper then earthing itself!
My brother had exactly the same on his new KH250! As you did, he also fixed it by soldering it up himself.
More of this.Some devotees simply blamed Freddie Dobbs for the bad publicity.All the man did was report what is actually happening.
His a knob head who doesn't even own one!
Yes I saw this. Freddy got so,cereal grief from other influencers too
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I am sorry for your pain! I was very tempted to get one when I first heard BSA is coming back but once I saw one in the flesh at Copdock I changed my mind. The stickers, instead of proper castings, the welds, and worst of all the painted engine casings really put me off. The same company, I believe, owns the rights for Jawa in India and there were plenty of quality complaints from local RUclips channels with regards to quality. I wish you all the best with getting the bike sorted and just get rid if you can.
@@bobmichaels8663 Cheers Bob. I honestly bought thinking all the influencers were 100% truthful with the “all the problems are fixed” and I fell flat on my face with this one.
@@MotoTingle Get the bike sorted and keep it.
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Hi Alex,
Hope this helps,
We had the same problems with some machinery we used to make.
It turned out that the wires in the looms was the wrong type, ( cheap )
For this type of application the internal wires should be of : Continous Flex specification.
Copper work hardens as it is continually bent, and eventually breaks.
As I recall, the continuous flex cable also contains an anti frictional powder to aid strands sliding against each other.
Regards MikeN
Dude! You’ve got skills. I love feedback like this
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Great video again Alex and every BSA owner who hasn't had a problem is surely very grateful for you explaining the problem to them. You've done the dealers work for him. From talk about dealer health check and freebies around this problem it seems that it is a known issue for BSA and therefore should be resolved easily.
Some Triumph models have the same problem, i had it on a 2017 street scrambler which was done under recal and my mate had it on his 2021 900 gt pro but initially they said it was wear and tear, how crazy is that. Just Google triumph streering head stock recal to back up my comment. Yes the reason you got a bargain is probably because the owner could not solve the intermittent fault which you have done. Credit to you for solving it and for helping others with the same problem,
Thanks for this
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I don't think it's a bare wire touching the frame, that would cause a short and blow a fuse. I think a wire has parted inside the loom
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Just reroute the wiring harnesses, I have a similar issue with a SWM every time I turned the steering would blow a fuze . Turned out a wire was exposed and a bare wire would touch the frame . So I rerouted the harness and it fixed the problem.So that’s you problem as well looks like .
Agreed
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1990 Suzuki VX800 : I owned it in 2022 and one day it just stopped. The battery was flat. When I got it back to the workshop I found a break in the wiring. In the original wiring loom dating back to when it was made there a was a crimped joint in the supply from the alternater. That joint had been sitting there for over 30 years just waiting to break. These things do happen,
You need to open up the loom at the point / area causing the problem and search the wiring for the fault. Well, that's what I would do. I had a similar problem with my Triumph Bonneville and it was a broken wire in the loom.👍
Brilliant video, well done in finding the problem!
I hope it helps others
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I had a similar problem with my 2014 , Royal Enfield Thunderbird 500. I had to change the full wiring harness and turned out an expensive exercise. Royal Enfield has come a long way in quality, though nowhere near the Japanese manufacturers or Triumph. In today's very competitive market, BSA needs to at least match Royal Enfield if not exceed it in quality and performance considering BSA's premium pricing.
The health check fixes this known issue with early 2023 bikes. As It includes a replacement loom It also includes rubber grommets to seal the headlamp. As well as the other good fixes/updates.
The auxiliary plug you looked at is for ancillary kit, I use a splitter and have heated grips and sat nav running from it. My bike has had zero issues in 7000 miles. But still had the updates. Get the health check done and your £2k bike will be the bargain you hoped it would be.
Yeah, this is brilliant news!
@mototingle good demonstration of the reason BSA proactively recalled bikes for a health-check to relocate the loom and fix damage if it had occurred. Most of us early adopters are of an age and experience we knew the risk associated with being on the bleeding edge of owning a brand new designed motorcycle. BSA have responded brilliantly and backed up their brand with a 4 year warranty for us.
Just wait till you see what they did for my bike. No free neck scarf 🧣 either 😂
@ well you did say you didn’t want to wait for a new loom. Is it that bad? I have to say I don’t think all mechanics can do decent electrical work. Just look at that solder joint on the tracker fit.
Bleeding Edge? You're aving a laugh mate!
@@LumpyCarbs I never said to you that I do not want a new loom, I said that it’s a joke to have to wait three months for one. Facts are important. If I had a repair and was offered a replacement loom when it comes into stock, this is acceptable to me. Who wouldn’t want a new loom?
@@iang2204 my bike was engine no. 200 off a brand new assembly line. New build assembly process plan , new staff training, new build QA. Which bit is not bleeding edge?
Yes BSA have an issue. Try a dealer as they might do it under a recall.
It is too short around the headlight region
The loom has to be able to move a bit at the steering head.
That large plastic clamp looks a bit overkill.
It's not just looms, cables can be routed in ways that compromises good function.
My partner's old Taiwanese 125 had the most torturous clutch cable routing leading to an incredibly heavy action, lots of bends and clamps to the frame to "tidy" things up. Removing these restrictions improved things dramatically.
Perfect!
good luck my T120 needed a new loom same as yours not enough slck around headstock when turning lock to lock
Alex. This is a carbon copy of my troubles that i had on a bike so i know how frustrating it is. At the moment you can't trust it can you ! You can rest assured the "Break" has to be on the Ignition Side because the engine cuts out so if you knew the ignition colours then you could narrow it down. Saying that, if it's under warranty then the dealer ought to sort it.
Apart from everything else i think they are a nice looking bike. It's strange though that no dealer seems to want them back though to trade back in. I wonder why🤔?
There's a reason no other bike has that type of clamp at the headstock to hold the loom down. They were trying to reinvent the wheel
you need a cable guide or a clamp to prevent the harness dropping down into the stops on the lower yoke, i would have though that a simple metal guide would have sufficed to do that
In this day and age this shoddy workmanship and design shouldn’t be happening. Just imagine if you’re on the motorway and turning.
I was doing 45mph, still scared me at this speed.
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I think some comments should just be ignored and not commented upon, if you don’t like the video don’t watch it. it’s a simple thing to do, if you like the video drop a comment! Keep the videos coming and don’t worry!
You need an inspection mirror so you can film what's going on behind the loom.
(30+ years in aircraft maintenance. 🤔)
X4 larger than a dental mirror.
I’ve ordered one! Thanks to your comment
@MotoTingle great, good to hear.
Just a tip from a retired aircraft inspector, you can generally see more with your eyes or eyes and mirror than many electronic devices.
Borascopes and such are brilliant for certain applications but most faults are found with the eyes.
I will follow coz you have perked my interest.
Good luck.
@ I truly appreciate your input
Having worked on bike electrics for years, its not unknown for poor quality wiring to corrode and rot within a harness. Volvo suffered this problem some years back when various issued were traced back to rotten wiring. Good Luck.
The dreaded black wire corrosion I know it well, usually on neutrals as some of the Tech papers called it Neutral Wire corrosion, I read lots about it about 25/35 years ago but nothing definitive.. Try cleaning and soldering those ! ! ;-) thankfully the BSA problem is an easy fix on a new harness, just a soldering iron, shrink tube and a heat gun.
Well done, you've done the dealers job. ( if your an warrenty)
Now, you have identified a potentially dangerous issue with the electrical circuit probably
due to either wiring separation and / or electrical short.
In my opinion, this is a bad workmanship issue ( installation ) or a loom which is too short, which has caused damage to part of the bike.
If you are in warrenty, I would accept nothing less than a new loom, and restart of the warrenty ( if your lucky )
If you are not in warrenty, fix it yourself, dealers will try to get away with the fastest, cheapest option.
Check your consumer rights before you approach your dealer, then you know your legal position
Dont rely on good luck or goodwill, it doesnt exist .
The fact is it could be dangerous, and motorcycling is dangerous enough without knowingly riding a faulty
machine.
In India, it could; and would be fixed on any street corner, but you are not in India.
Regards MikeN
Guess what, because I won’t remove my videos. No new loom for me
@@MotoTingle If you are under warrenty, I would get the terms and conditions of the warrenty checked by a legal bod or Citizens Advice. / consumers rights advice etc..
I would expect that refusal to uphold the warrenty for the reason of making your video is probably illegal,
However, if you look on line for Automotive Loom Manufactures, theres a number of reputable UK suppliers.
I would also publish the Dealer details, once you get the refusal reason in writing from them .
Once fixed, bin it __ if it doesnt cost you too much.
Indefencable treatment of a customer in my humble opinion !!
If you weren't the owner, I would think you were making it up
Sorry for your demise, but dont just drop it, I'm sure theres a shed load of viewers watching worldwide watching your progress
Or lack of it !!
Regards MikeN
@ I just can’t believe this issue even exists. It’s crazy.
Thanks for sharing this. I've got the same extreme tightness of harness around the steering stem of my BSA, so tight that is pulling really hard on the wiring when in the left lock position. It is as if the harness is too short. It is actually so tight on left lock that I am not happy to use the steering lock any more. My bike is actually new and the harness has not worn through yet. It had already had the health check updates prior to purchase. As my dealer is quite a distance away, I feel I need to free the harness off myself, if I can, before wiring damage occurs, which would look to be inevitable in the longer term. Is there any chance of you doing another video to show how to get at the loom under the tank/how to remove the tank to create some slack?
I certainly will do a video for you. Ill point out all the tools and procedures. However you should always discuss this with your supplying dealer as this class of "modification" may invalidate your warranty, as crazy as it may sound.
As you were trying the connector blocks I kept hearing "This little piggy went to market....". 😂
Haha! Brilliant 😂
It's a common fault on some BMWs. I fixed my mates 1150RT by opening the loom to find the faulty wire and then cut the loom there an inserted a multi pin plug, the extra length that provided cured the problem. Looks a bit too tight for that dodge on your BSA though. I hope you have a successful outcome. Edward
Stuart Fillingham bought one. Banging on about how great it is. I used to watch his stuff because I'm a Royal Enfield fan. However. After him plugging the Goldstar, I gave up on him. I'm sorry you have to deal with one thing after another. It shouldn't be like this in 2024. Get it running and flog it. Take the hit and move on.
1977 Queens Jubilee Bonnie. Same problem and when I stripped the wiring back there was a joint of three wires the were soldered when the builder at Meriden must have still been under the influence of the previous nights mushrooms. The whole bike was without doubt the worst made bike I have ever owned. My brother had a ‘74 right sight shift, disc front brake Bonnie that escaped during the sit in. That bike was superb. Fast, smooth, responsive and a joy to have.
@@rustyrims05 Blimey, that’s some variation. I wonder what happened over the years?
@ I think they thought people would put them in glass cases as an investment. I expected mine to be better than my bruvs 650…. What a let down.
I feel sorry for you for taking the plunge and I admire your staunch attitude.
I hope you fix it or get it sorted under warranty.
I looked at these bikes because I’v heared the horror stories but I want a bike to pull my sidecar. I’ve got old Brits and Guzzis, even a Hardley Sportster but I’d like to have a go at the new Beeza. I’m no stranger to spannering.
Blimey, my '79 Bonnie was fantastic. You get a good one and they are very good, but it also seems you get a bad one and it's just keeps suffering. I had a problematic 650 earlier on but stripped it and checked it out, turned out the oil ways were blocked inside the crank. It ran great after that, at least until someone stole it. 😥
@@DirkGentley42 my Bonnie was just badly made. The final f up was while having a spirited ride, I slotted into top gear and there was a big bang. The sleeve gear decided not to play and I ended up with the worlds first Triumph Bonnie horizontally split crankcases. Rebuilt it but I couldn’t bear to ride the pile of poo anymore. Plus side was I got a really good price for it.
It's a good job bsa don't make airplanes 😂😮, hope you get it sorted 👍🇬🇧🏍
Valid point 😂
Emberer C390 Millennium is an Indian version of a joint venture by Mahindra. This company owns BSA, one of the world's largest car and tractor manufacturers.
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I commend your attitude.
I didn't buy a new Harley for this reason.
I would want it to be spot on and it wouldn't be.
I chose to buy the best 25 year old example and put another £3k into it.
Still half the price of new. I have FXDL clockmaker edition.
Did 10 years in electronics and a diploma in horology.
We need to set up skills share,RUclips is great but making it look easy is also a skill.
I’m seeing vintage BSA owners enjoying their motorcycles. My modern one… I can’t wait to sell it on
@MotoTingle To be fair parts hunting satisfies something primal.
It's a challenge but you have to believe that part is out there before you start.
@@theodavies8754 I’ve heard about this, soon to be experiencing it
My 08 speed triple had developed a broken wire just with years off use ,,had my LHS switch gear going off ,, after I'd changed the horn twice 😢,, but on a new motorbike bit poor,,but it's a nice looking bike,, hope it gets fixed soon,, doesn't dull your enjoyment,, ☺️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️ from northern Ireland bit off thin rubber on the loom at the tight spot after it's fixed,,no chaffing,,??
Made by Luc As Jo, from Hangzhou. There are some things that should never be copied.
had the same problem BMW gs broken wire at steering head
Yeah this guy shops for the cheapest deal which can't be true and it wasn't of course.
The bare wire is probably linked to the ignition switch ,touches the frame and acts like a kill switch but doesnt blow any fuse .
100% 🎉
Happens on the Suzuki GSF600 Bandit as well.
Nice video Sir. It's such a shame that what could be potentially a nice motorcycle is spoilt by such poor build quality. Good luck with it.
It is a shame. Just needs a loom and then I can ride it safely
This even not selling well in India. Haven't seen single one on road yet. Everyone buys Interceptor or any other RE 650.
Hi again Alex
Keep going !! 3.6k + views and counting.
All for the cost of supplying and fitting one , lousy loom.
Whoever is refusing your warrenty request needs to be exposed.
With the reports of the volumes of bike dealers going to the wall,
they should be falling over themselves to make you happy.
This saga is infuriating me.
If this were my project to fix, I would be looking to make a sub loom, from the non flexing portion of the loom into the headlight.
You would need the continuous flex wiring spec and a calibrated crimp tool for the pins etc,
PS I bought a RE this year, and didnt evdn take it back for the first service , such is my disgust of the general motor trade
that I wouldn't even give them a chance to mess it up.
Regards MikeN
@@michaelnicholson5218 Thanks, I’m with you. It’s dreadful that a fault like this does deserve communication from BSA. Instead they stay silent and authorised a repair instead of replacement. I asked for a replacement loom, denied 48hours later. Wait till you see the repair… You wouldn’t buy the bike if you knew it was there.
I can see it now _ a chop block and tape up., if I'm not mistaken.
Just what you would get on any street corner in India.
I've been there, so many times _ believe me !!!
A get you home repair, but not a long term solution, and definitely not a European or Far East manufacturers response
They have so, so much to learn.
But in defence, it's a country which is very much a " make do and mend" mentality.
It's in their mindset.
RE have seen the light, that's one reason why they are cleaning up,
My advice is: you will never be happy with the product _ due to this experience,
Take the hit and get rid of the bike and the stress.
PS No __ I wouldn't buy it unless I planned to rebuild it.
@ agreed, I’d never want a customer of my workshop to experience this unless it was a temporary repair
@@MotoTingle Just a bit of background so you understand my thought train.
I worked in India and the Far East in engineering ( this is only engineering after all ) for more than 20 years, in particular China.
India was BY FAR the most demanding.
They want the absolute best, but want to pay the least.
Conversely, they want to supply the least for the highest price.
They are the best business people I ever met.
The country is still a place of "contrast" at every level and every westerner should visit there, to
appreciate the differences to the West, this is where WE could learn from them.
Ruthless.
To BSA India your videos are probably an insult __ if I'm honest.
This is probably why you have got the response you have.
They are so rich and powerful in their market they dont care about the singular customer, only their image counts.
You probably will not win this one, you can only cause them product confidence damage.
Hope this helps with the stress levels
Rgds MikeN
@ Image. That’s it!
That looks slack compared to the looms on some of the new Triumphs, not a millimetre of spare copper!
Sherlock Holmes has nothing on you. :) Surely if you wrap some really really heavy duty insulation tape around the loom, where it is touching the frame it would solve the issue? (At least temporarily). Also I would touch up the area with paint on the frame where it has been arcing.
It’s under warranty and I was warned in no way to patch or modify it before the dealer could take a look
This is a bit of a shame, as i really like the look of the Goldstar, i had considered looking at one, especially as they are £5000 new..
It’s a game of Roulette. If you do choose to play, I hope you get a good one my friend
Trade it in. And get a royal enfield 650 interceptor you'll never look back
Unless the rectifier pops, given it's location under the rear of the engine 😜
@@kevindarkstar My Interceptor is 5 1/2 years old - no electrical issues & still on the original battery.
Well only a few years ago (2019 from memory) even the display interceptors on EICMA (milan) had rusty welds painted with silver paint to cover up bad production practices….. seen quite a few.. not meant as a rant on Enfield, but they are not perfect by definition. But hey, who likes perfect 😊
@@motolab.EuropeanMotorcycles My 2019 Interceptor had a silver paint applied to the welds on the exhaust system. It polishes off without too much elbow grease & no rust has appeared on the welds subsequently - certainly wasn't applied to cover any rust at manufacture. I generally find the Interceptor to be reasonably well finished, with only the unsealed polished aluminium castings requiring regular polishing to keep up to them. But a coat of a ceramic sealant has reduced that chore to once or twice a year now.. Paint is an a par with the Honda NC750S I p/xed for the RE.
What an easy fix to get worked up over on a $2500 bike😂
This is definitely not from some backyard mechanic.
Unless he shortened and replugged a ton of connectors.
Is the bike still under warranty
@@camy1956 Yes! Because of my videos BSA have no interest. None! I think the deal is, I remove them then we can talk. No, no, no
Lesson learned, go straight to your Yamaha dealer do not pass go & do not collect £200😂
I do love a well built motorcycle
Never had any issues with the bth magneto letting me down on my B31 in 40 years of ownership 😂😂😂😂
Christmas 🎄is Looming✌🏻‼️🤣
What you need is a different bike this just has to many problems going for it.
Sure feels that way but look, ive 3 years left of the "Trouble Free Warranty" what could possibly go wrong? Lol
Lots by the look of things, cut your losses and get a classic 650.
yes, get an Italian motorcycle , never get electrical problems with them !!
A piece of wood will do it behind the loom. 😅
Broken wires at head stem. Old story, Ho-hum!
Where was the bike built. There,s your answer
You would think they fixed by now
What's wrong with your motorbike? It has all possible defects available. Mine, 2024 model, has not had a simple problem.
Its issues during construction I believe. Not faults that have randomly occurred. BSA are no help.
Now all brands and dealers are really struggling. I contacted Lukas because I never got a letter for the health check and confirmed that mine had it done. Bought in August. I read that early models in factory at COVID times had supplies issues from providers. RE also have fuse problems. At least our motorcycles have not a 1.2 Pure tech engine from PSA. Our Rotax engines are very simple and can be fixed with a clip, a rubber, cello tape and bit of help from McGyver
@ wet belts, done a few of them.
It's Haunted!
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How can they look at that and say there is no problem? 😂
@@paulbudford it’s driving the fault underground. People have become afraid to talk about it. Three emails this morning from owners with my issue. I’ve offered advice to each one.
@MotoTingle you are a bad influence. All these people seriously modified their wiring looms because of you. We have it on good authority! 😂
Why did you think the problem was there before you turned the steering. Did you already know this? Sell it, the modern BSA are not a match on RE
In a previous video I was riding along and the bike shut down at 45Mph, gave me a proper scare I can tell you, at the side of the road in the rain I show the issue and had to get recovery.
Yes.
Get a free loom update from Bsa.
Just give up and ride that Honda 750 in the background. A much better bike by far. I bet the electrics work and are untouched!
@@rogerbeadle3485 The wiring on the Honda is perfection
Just like the old bsa load of shite
@ john hayes : my 1935 bsa M35-11 is still on its original wiring (braided and lacquered cotton, really!) and everything still works like a charm…. I have quite a few original BSA’s, even a 1972 B50 also still on its original wiring loom… the reputation you are referring to, you can not blame the BSA factory for tbh… For problems only a few miles from new in this case, is another story though..
Well 800 miles and 2500 it is a used bike regardless. Maybe a lemon but most of them are turning out to be reliable.
@@deltabluesdavidraye it’s long delays in getting parts, like looms that is a shame. But I agree, things are changing
that is a bit shi7 - at least they can sort it easily based on your video
Awful design. Such a tight bend/unbend, locked in place and unable to move. Good practice ought to have a section following the head-stock up/down, to give a gentle twisting action over a decent length of loom so as not to work-harden or chaff the system. This is basic stuff FFS!
5 minutes s t r e c h e d out to 17🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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that’s shit way too tight
Let's be honest, it is a BSA in name only, the current plethora of "motorbikes" oozing from the Indian sub-continent have no connection whatsoever to the heritage of a once great British manufacturer. In the UK these examples of cachu appear to be aimed at the old timers trying to jump on the heritage bandwagon and relive their youth oogling at bikes bike they could never afford at the time. It will all end in tears. If a BSA badge was stuck on a donkey's backside it will still be an donkey......eeh awh!
I dont want to worry you, but thats not a chassis, its a frame !
Instead of fiddling with the loom get it fixed on warranty and stop being boring
I’d love to
They are obviously a crappy company to send it out like that
@@paulpaintshop103 Be nice of them to replace the loom but not happening...
@@MotoTingle TBH I'd rather have an Enfield twin myself, at least they are a known quantity
@ They are well loved by owners and supported by the manufacturer