I would like to express my sincere gratitude for everyone's valuable feedback. I have received considerable criticism from BSA owner groups regarding the documentation of my ownership experience. It seems purchasing a 12-month-old motorcycle with 800 miles, which subsequently experienced fluid leaks and wiring faults at 45 mph, has made me feel somewhat marginalised. Documenting and discussing these issues openly online has not been well received. Unfortunately, I have not received any support from BSA or Lukas Distribution.
@@MotoTingle sorry to read this. Like I said above about my Norton. My comments on a forum were seen by a Norton employee and I was contacted by Norton to resolve the issue. Can't fault them. BSA should be taking a leaf out of their book
that's why im a honda fan, i want performance, reliability and to keep the residual as best i can - i don't nostalgia for any old motorbike or resurrected brand name, id never buy a BSA, RE or any other of the so called 'modern classics', and if i wanted a warts and all experience including waiting by the roadside, id just buy an old original one, at least they're interesting lol. GL
I respect your honesty and willingness to tell it how it is. There are far too many "Influencers" who refuse to give anything but praise for every bike they review often reciting the " all modern bikes are reliable " mantra , and arrogantly suggesting people who are not convinced by Indian and Chinese bikes are some kind of xenophobic dinosaur. I test rode the BSA shortly after it was released and enjoyed it , but certain aspects of the finish and stories I was hearing about the company concerned me so I decided it wasn't for me.... The dealer dumped the brand less than 12 months later.
This is all an owners perspective. I’m a motorcycle mechanic and using the same warranty system any owner has to. It’s been a tragic experience that most can’t/wont talk about. “Watchmaker quality” and “the gold standard” are used frequently. Oh, I’m seeing 2024 bikes getting top end rebuilds due to poor machining on the heads. Influencers: “all problems are fixed” 😂
It’s a cheap poorly built Indian bike with an off the shelf name plate. I’ve been riding Japan’s bikes for over 40 years and not had any of these problems. Thumbs up for the honesty of this video. Respect and good luck.
Cheers, I’m a mechanic that’s been collecting bikes for years, all of them I love apart from one. It’s been a bloomin awful experience, hateful owners, terrible service from Lukas Distribution and here I am waiting five weeks just to get it into a workshop, let alone get warranty approved. Cheers!
I worked on japanese bikes and everyone had problems honda 360 destroyed cams poor oil circulation hondas replacement parts same problem funny how people are so against the Indian made bsa yet love the Indian made triumph 400 which has plenty of problems switching of the engine when people are riding it my last two bonnevilles made in thailand the great English made bsa is gone only problem with mine is the name gold it means nothing to me it will be covered up soon by a made in India decal
Thank you for your honesty, sir. Ever since I saw the black phantom model, I’m lusting for one. The Black Phantom model is the most beautiful and handsome machine I’ve seen available today. But thanks to honest people like you I’ll wait a bit and learn more about this machine. Currently a W-650 owner. The “W” stands for ……. WONDERFUL !!!
When there was talk of bringing back the brand I was really keen to get one (I have a 1960 BSA A7SS which I bought secondhand in 1967) especially as they were trying to get out a new single cylinder bike looking like the old Gold Star. Luckily there doesn't seem to be any BSA dealers in my part of Spain so getting older and weaker I traded in my 2017 T120 Bonneville for a Royal Enfield 350 Classic. Yes it's slow but it ticks almost all the boxes for me. Thank you for telling me about all the troubles with the 'Gold Stars' I won't be looking at them the same again.
I talked with the Director of BSA. He regaled me with R&D stories and I totally believed it would be a quality product. The 2024 models have machining issues on the heads so plenty of top end rebuilds going on while influencers are “all problems are sorted” 😂 - my videos are real ownership experience. Check this out, I had my 2024 health check. And had to Trailer my BSA home as it somehow suffered a battery failure overnight. What! Editing the video right now
Like you my dad had a BSA back in the day, he also had a Bullet, and I loved the fact I could now get a new BSA. You just clinched it for Royal Enfield. Thank you for your advice.
Royal Enfield owners all seem really nice, this BSA lot, if you have an issue they disown you. You should see the FB Groups, any mention or question of a fault and your out the door. Enjoy your RE!
Its a real shame that some of these bikes have had issues. There are a lot of us who have had no issues and love the bike. Mine was one of the first batch in the UK. I’ve toured with mine in all conditions and it’s never missed a beat. The resale value is not a good indicator of confidence in the brand, but if you look on other forums for new models, every brand has some initial niggles and its how the dealers support their customers in the early stages. There are some very good BSA dealers in the UK. Mine’s a keeper!
@@juliecharlton5182 Agreed, if you are near and have a good dealer you’re in luck. I have waited five weeks just to get my bike in. BSA/Lukas have offered zero assistance. I agree, residual prices show peoples confidence in the brand. How are BSA to improve? They can’t even trace the shifts that build the Friday bikes as they are not working to ISO standards, later this year they are implementing a barcode system for parts, woohoo! Probably to help prevent thefts internally. I’ve been watching the socials of the staff at the factory and it’s a real eye opener
@@marksimpson4363 Need to do better on my audio. Thanks. Seeing a few die hard BSA influencers changing to other brands. Had their bikes for a few months, yet raved about them in videos 😂 yeah, I’m unlikely to sell on a brilliant machine.
I bought a Norton. I had an issue and within 2 days I had Norton on the phone, they collected the bike and took it to the dealer, repaired it and returned it within a week and gave me the number to call with any future issues.
However there’s a number of owners on the Norton forum who’ve had a miserable time with faults and lack of interest shown towards fixing them. I was genuinely interested in a Norton myself but there’s way too many going wrong. Your 2 day problem sounds about right.
Luckily you. I unfortunately bought a 2012 961 four years ago. It broke down 9 months later and has been with the dealer ever since as they can't seem to fix the problem.
Stuart Fillingham on YT. I came to his channel regarding Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 content. Lots of good stuff. I bought one. Love the Interceptor. Now he has a BSA G.S. Hmmmm. I don't agree with his view of it at all. I have actually met an unhappy owner of a BSA. So, this honest review was super to watch due to the honesty and great presentation. Thank you Alex !
He really doesnt like me. Wasnt he telling people not to buy a BSA then bought one? - I am after a classic BSA so when this one brakes down ill bring out the classic, Haha! an A10 is the aim.
@@MotoTingle "Aye Up" well I am sorry your dream turned into a nightmare. Think I'd stuff their terrible warranty, take the headlight etc off to find the loom pulling fault, video off it all to help others out and ride the damn thing ! I also have an R.E. 2003 Army Bullet 500cc. Had it since 2007 ( picked up with 400 miles on it). Cast iron barrel, right foot change. Twin leading shoe front brake. Known as "Harry" ( Enfield). My 'British' bike. Love it too but one has to fiddle with it being 'Old Skool' design !!!
There's an old saying " Never buy the first iteration of any bike" This should applies doubly to a New Marque. I thought that Post air head BMW bikes were bad in this respect with marketing overriding good engineering practice mostly driven by the car division. At least the BSA didn't cost £20k. While the depreciation is a high percentage of the sum paid and it's annoying, fix the problems even if it invalidates " the warranty" and ride the bike for years to get value. Depreciation only affects you when you sell early.
I don't get why people buy a new bike that looks like it was built in the 60's when for the same or less money you could have the real thing and all the class that goes with it.
At the time of release of the modern BSA, it disrupted pricing of vintage ones. Prices plummeted. Two years on, I am now seeing vintage BSA’s trading at very healthy money and the modern one discounted to £4,995 RRP - oldies I talked to wanted maintenance free, no kick start and as easy experience. Myself I’m not old, old 😂 but I didn’t realise modern motorcycles could have such issues. Now I can’t sell it. It’s just ridiculous
Tell me where you've seen a 1960's Gold Star for £5k in the last twenty years. I did own one of the original DBD34s and believe me it was the most inconvenient bike I ever owned.
Rubbish, if you think that you can buy a genuine BSA Gold Star for the same price as the Indian made doppelgängers let me know where they are and I’ll buy all of them.
Thank you for producing this Vlog and although I am not interested in owning a Gold Star, I am really pleased you made this video which for me highlights how fake a lot of other Vloggers are. I think it was very brave of you go be so honest and I can probably guess the names of the other Vloggers you are referring to. Due to your honesty I will be following your channel more often. Once again thank you for posting this content, great work mate.
@@nosek1d it’s not been easy, I got zero help from BSA, Zero. They don’t even have a factory that can track back which bikes are affected to which shift built them. No way I just bought a random bike that just happens to be bad. No way. I should buy a lotto ticket I’m that lucky. Cheers!
@@MotoTingle A local dealer tried to sell me one, and I must admit, I was taken by the looks, but I'm glad I stuck with a well established Japanese brand. Good luck with your Goldie.
@@barriewilliams4526 I should have bought a Kawasaki W800, but EVERYONE told me the problems were all fixed with BSA Gold Stars, all the owners groups and influencers, so I gave it a go, full of regret...
Not really riding motorcycles from 1970 90cc to1400cc few back problems so along with the bsa I bou a yamaha tricity 300 yamaha quality dead on 20 miles on it every frame weld was rusty 100 miles a dangerous fault in the stand assist put it along with every one sold of the road three attempts by yamaha to fix the fault which caused some deaths across the world took a year before it was sorted so let's no pretend it's only bsa that has problems
Hi sorry that you’re having problems with your Goldstar , by watching your video I can see that yours hasn’t had the recall to the the head light bowl , when you turn the stearing the loam is to tight . One thing I would recommend before purchasing a second hand goldstar is that it’s had all the upgrades. I do believe that some of the BSA dealers do not give a good service your bike should not of been sold before it had been updated. I can recommend a dealer in Devon that actually cares and that is Bridge Garage Exeter. The Earlier the engine number the less chance the updates have been done (the engine number is stamped below the gearbox casting ). I have a few bikes on the road Triumph t100, HD softail and the BSA and I love the bike it’s got so much character and is so much fun to ride . If I can be of any help then contact me .Alec
Me too! He had me convinced it would be a British built motorcycle. But it’s made in a Jawa factory with appalling quality control. I heard the director is seeking funding for a UK factory, Mahindra won’t foot the bill. They can’t even trace bad batches as they don’t use a barcode or any system that helps them identify which shift made what bikes
Thank you! I've owned several big singles and was very interested in this bike but will now avoid the BSA like the plague, I'll take my chances on the Mash 650 classic.
@@paulblackfield473 You’ll find influencers telling you it’s a fantastic product. And everyone’s going to have different experiences. For me it’s how issues are handled, how dealers are assisted with parts and payment for warranty work. I might go checkout some Mash 650 videos now, Cheers!
Unless you have a lot of money, ALWAYS BUY 2ND HAND. I tried one today at the dealer near Barcelona on some moutain twisties (pretry spirited knee out cornering) and a bit of motorway and I want it. Brilliant engine and handing. Got it up to 160KPH. Blows the RE Classic 350 out of the water. It's got 2000kms on the clock. It cut out a few times at traffic lights and the there was something slightly out with the clutch lever/cable. So, you're right. Issues need to be sorted. The Legacy is nice but the tank should be totally chrome, so my pick is the cheaper Dawn with the black stripe. BSA Spain have this model at 4499 euros + 300euros registration costs. 4799€. Discounted by about 800€ UNTIL END OF NOVEMBER, however, I'm gambling on the price staying the same. So will not take the bait. There are NO 2ND HAND BSAs in Spain right now!!!! But they are being sold in small numbers, so I'll wait for a desperate seller some time next year. My view is that at 5k€ these are a brilliant price quality ratio and for 2200£ even with probs that's excellent value, cause it's a fabulous bike. I filmed and checked it over carefully. Lovely styling, love the clocks, switchgear is usual quality, paint and finishing OK FOR THE PRICE. I hope they have fixes for the bike. I asked the mechanic if he'd taken a course in BSA mechanics and he said no, they send info and videos from Madrid !! Yep, so quality servicing, knowledge and parts is also a worry. Next year the saleman confirmed that there's a BSA Scrambler coming and more investment in the brand. So, buy 2nd hand and Buyer Beware and forewarned and you have the best British fake classic available. So excited... and I just can't hide it... I know I know... 🎉😂😅
@@MotoTingle the weather is one of the big reasons I'm here , low 20s in November, the bike season is just beginning 👌 🙌 👍🏼 let's hope the quality on the Scrambler is better 😬
A 650 single blows a 350 single out of the water? Well I'd really hope so.... However, as many of us found out riding old British bikes last century, a 650 twin is a much better option than a big single. Smoother. faster. easier.
@@darkdestroyer6634 Once you choose the amount of power you need, and I'm at the stage that less than 50CV is fine, it's a case of which bike do you like best, personally. I'd also be happy with a 650 twin, but I think I'm as fickle as the next person, and once I have the power I need it would be down to comfort, and looks .... 1st world problems I admit.
@SamWaide-t6r It's called balance. Some people have positive experiences and some have negative ones. It is equally valid that both sides are published.
Good, honest review. I've seen others mention the poor finishing, but I was not aware of other problems. For me a Royal Enfield is more authentic with their genuine heritage, build quality nowadays is excellent and dealer service too, been an owner for almost 2 years no issues. I also could not get past the fake cooling fins and radiator on the BSA!
@@M15TERx Thanks. I’ve an update video being edited. I’ve been accused of making a video for clicks but all that’s happened is it’s real, it’s what’s happening and it’s true, nobody can control the RUclips algorithm, it’s my experience of ownership and I stand by it. I’d BSA looked after their owners the owners would be counting “trouble free miles” 😂
@@RedfordBaron I think mines worth £1.950 to be fair. It’s two things, Zero help from BSA and the owners who are “I’m alright Jack”. I’ve noticed two of the top influencers have let their BSA’s go. Rhumors are they had issues but carried on promoting for views. Shame they wouldn’t tell the truth. I’d respect them more
Mine went back after 6 months and just a week after the first 500 mile service Constantly cutting out , fuel pouring over exhaust and plug I got £4K back against another brand . Took the hit on the loss of money but when you look what 12 month old are fetching I’m happy to be rid.
Yes, I’ve seen videos of petrol pouring over coil packs and more horrors. If they only got Quality Control right, we’d all be enjoying our BSA’s - Noticed three RUclipsrs suddenly changing to Triumph from BSA after what I can tell was about five months ownership, they have the bikes glowing reviews too. I wonder if they even paid for the bikes as none of them mentioned any kind of depreciation
The first owner presumably didn't get the full £2200 for it either! A major red flag for me would be that he was prepared to walk away from ownership with a loss of at least £5000..
I went to buy one in NZ dealer would no trade my 1987 gb400 at any price, so went to dealer who traded my bike on a 2022 Honda shadow - got the feeling I dodged a bullett
But that's why you only paid just over 2 grand for it. Forget the warranty, fix it yourself and enjoy the bike you always wanted. Doesn't sound like the warranty is worth a damn anyway.
Have to agree with you, if the price paid is so low, the question has to be why? For that money, if you actually like the bike and when it’s running the ride is enjoyable, part of ownership is getting to know the machine and understanding how it should work and if it isn’t, swinging a spanner. I bought a Chinese motorcycle unseen, for not a great deal of money at all but had done some research on the model and the company and wearing my pessimistic hat went to the dealer to collect thinking “what have I done!!!?” Longs story cut short. Back at my garage. Stripped the thing, put grease where grease should be and rode it……absolutely enjoyed riding a big thumper again after many years of twins and multi’s. Now traded it in for another of the same brand but I actually made a small profit but because I bought new and it’s Chinese I know it’s value will drop like a lead weight. Providing it doesn’t fail, I will keep it for another three years when I doubt very much if I will get an affordable insurance premium it it ride it or my other Japanese bike due to my age. The point of this is? The BSA Gold Star was a dream purchase for practically nothing, therefore you made a punt, knowing there was a risk and now you’re capitalising on that error by producing a video to support your channel and future income stream. You can’t have it all ways. It’s as if you are pleased things have gone astray and able to capitalise on your misfortune. Many producers of YT videos run short of new material and produce anything at any time for whatever reason and I’m suspecting this is possibly one of those. I bought the first Chinese motorcycle on the understanding that I may have bought the proverbial pup!!!! I was prepared to lose some or all of the money but my eyes were open at all times and if nothing else it would give me something to play with in the garage. Happily all went well but the future may be different with the new bike but that is life. You are the author of your own destiny.
@@andycapp8843 Owners have said to me "I dont care if its depreciated, I am happy with it!" which is a BIGGEST lie anyone can tell themselves. You buy a Watch or a House or a Car and it looses most of its value in 12 months, whats the point? SHould have bought a Casio not a Fake Rolex
@@MotoTingle The biggest self administrated lie is to buy a motorcycle thinking it will be an investment at best and depreciation minimal at worst. Look at the industry, it’s in decline, youngsters struggle to either get motivated into get cold and wet for fun when they can sit in an air conditioned box and the cost, not forgetting todays yoof will want bells and whistles. Illogical to compare a house or watch for instance as motorcycles as property and a genuine Rolex rarely if ever depreciates whereas motorcycles most definitely have and will do in the future. You cannot roll up to the Greasy Spoon on a Rolex or semi detached des res take a picture and send it to everyone on the table with you and then forward to FB to all and sundry. There will be major changes in the motorcycle industry in the very near future as older riders take their final ride and costs continue to rise, when the majority on average incomes feel the squeeze and release some or all of their collection. The Chinese and Indian manufacturers will enjoy a short term opportunity to capitalise on this with only the fittest being able to survive…..and they will. Dealers are closing, profit margins are slim, quality mechanics are as rare as hens teeth, the internet will strangle itself through its own success with many on line traders collapsing. Witness the NEC Bike Show last November…..you could walk around, look at the stands, without the fight of yesteryear with many of the usual traders absent…..one guy was selling settees, that is how desperate the organisers must be to sell their displays. Bikes bought in the blast 5 years will never become classics, they’re out dated now being computers with wheels. All is not doom and gloom however, riders/owners have to change their outlook and accept their pride and joy is a (rapidly) depreciating asset, ride the things, learn how to fix and service, budget carefully and accept it as a barely affordable luxury….for many. Keep the big round rubbery things south, enjoy the full English and help the industry survive.
Like you my dad had a bsa gold star and back then he said BSA stands for Best Shoved Along !!. I'm after a second bike and would love a triumph 400 x but no, promblems are beginning to surface on them so I'm going for a honda cl 500 to go with my tracer 9. All that said I hope you get your bike sorted and get to enjoy riding it and thanks for a great vid
It's a real shame that yours still isn't fixed as it is a cracking bike. I reckon your best bet is to fix it yourself. It's either the loom routing putting stress on a connector in the headlight bowl as you turn the bars to the left, or less likely on such a new bike, a broken wire in the loom at the headstock bend. Taking it apart and carefully investigating won't affect your warranty, so it's worth a shot surely.
@@davemonday5381 Never say never. There seems to be an ownership path the the “influencer” community recommend. Which is to buy from an approved dealer. If you buy second user you become an outcast, just like me. I’ve been lanes a BSA hater and worse. It’s a wonderful ownership community. If you toe the line and say nice things they will leave you alone, show ANY issues or ask questions about an issue and they’ll jump on you like a ton of bricks. Goto the RE communities and it’s a very different atmosphere. Very welcoming and happy to see issues and help other owners with them.
I have been a big BSA fan for decades but would rather have my old Honda XBR500 than one of these. They remind me of the toy motorbikes on merry-go-rounds.
It’s not just BSA, any new bike is undergoing massive depreciation at the moment because bikes in general just aren’t selling. You only have to look at all the offers available trying to tempt you to buy a new bike. Large motorcycle dealers are closing down everywhere because there aren’t the sales to maintain their flashy chrome showrooms.
When I saw one in the flesh so to speak I thought they are not a patch on a Royal Enfield. Cheap plastic parts all over it. The exhaust was not even properly finished off. Its a shame really as I did really fancy one. Nice video :)
The largest factor contributing to the new Gold Star's depreciation is that the company have drastically reduced the official basic retail price of the new bikes. Royal Enfield 650 twins have also suffered a dive in used bike values since RE ditched their original importers/distributors (MotoGB), who then heavily discounted existing stock (but not as drastically as BSA's new bike price drop)… Of course this is of no matter to those of us with no intention of selling. My Interceptor (bought new in 2019) is still the best £5500 I've ever spent.
@@ChrisParrett-qo4sx I agree. Royal Enfield are making some bold changes but they have a lovely customer base, the riders are friendly toward each other, you buy a BSA and unless your telling the world it’s the best bike ever, your shunned by other owners, kicked out of groups by admins, you either town the line with BSA or reap the distain. Me, I wanted a BSA so much. I’ve bought £750 bikes and covered miles, been keen to post them on my media for friends and family. Owning a BSA, it’s missing from everything but RUclips. I feel if I had RE and went to my dealer with issues I’d be dealt with and it would be well underway.
@@MotoTingle Had my RE Interceptor here in Australia for over 4 years. Absolutely no issues at all. After riding Jap bikes for 50 years i am so impressed with RE.
Admirable to see this, motorcycles shouldn't turn into lucky beans under warranty, but not just BSA. I've lost so much money on MV Agusta Aprillia, Guzzi and Norton to name but a few. We are seeing the end of motorcycling , dealerships in disarray cos they have flawed business models and are over leveraged. Very good video makes ya think
@@stevenbrownlee2875 I agree with you, having seen friends buy into brands that then don’t support production flaws. I was offered an MV but gave it a pass, nice modern machine but boy did the owner have a bad time. For me it was the “influencer” community all calling out that the brand was good and all issues were fixed. So I did my best to buy a good one, but more than this, when the manufacturer isn’t interested. That’s when you realise you’ve made a HUGE mistake. If you sing their praises they reward and treat you, if you should any signs of issues, your on your own. For me, even though it’s clear my bike needs a loom, they decided I’m not worth of one because of my videos, upcoming video being edited…
Had my Enfield for 2 years . Aircooled simple lump and done all my own servicing from new. £300 quote for the first service ? Oil change and tappets check ? F off it took 90 minutes in my garage. Not worried about the 3 year warrantee one bit.
£300, man that’s painful. I have it thought as to look into the repair, given how young the motorcycle is and seeing a few horror stories I decided to go through warranty rather than risk loosing warranty, and then suffering a gearbox or top end issue and having no comeback. I know dealers have to pay their valued staff a wage and overheads, I know one of my local dealers is close to £100 per hour. And I bet the mechanic is only on £15ph, well done for taking charge and looking after your Enfield
I nearly ordered and paid up front for one of these machines. Then thought I'd wait a while to see what would happen with quality and warranty claims etc. Luckily I found a RE euro4 second hand 4000 Km give or take on it, €4500. I've put 3000 trouble free summer Km on it. So far so good.
It’s roulette. And impossible for BSA to trace I’m guessing or they’d pull affected machines from sale for rectification. Instead they are sold and the towers have to discover is they are affected or not.
This is interesting, Stuart Fillingham has just bought one, it will kill them if he has problems he has big viewer numbers. I suspected it was too good to be true.
Fillingham's a twat of the First Order. If I sent him a turd in the post, with a label that said "This is a Royal Enfield", he'd kiss it, and probably try to wear it. If Triumph sent him a gold bar, he'd complain it wasn't a platinum one. His channel is unviewable, unless you've got the kind of low IQ that voted "Reform".
I would suggest the warranty is worthless. I bought a 25 year old Harley that happened to be at a used bike dealer. They wanted to sell me a warranty, I said it's not worth the paper it's written on. I wouldn't buy something I couldn't fix. I had a GSXR750j that had a wiring fault, I'd forgotten about it, ground wire to the kill switch meant it cut out on right turn. Frustrating because it would start at the roadside but cut out as I tried to pull back out.
A respected dealership in England I know of has cancelled its BSA franchise because of the number of warranty claims. Basically, the 'Gold Star' is crap. Love and peace.
@@dayvidmathews1182 I am fairly confident about my knowledge of history and I can write a post that actually makes sense in the English language. I don't understand what point you are trying to make here. Sure, the BSA/NVT group went bust years ago and they certainly made their fair share of unreliable bikes. I was commenting on the India-made BSA revival of the 650 Gold Star. Because of so many warranty claims and because it is something of a 'niche' bike' are contributary factors explaining why many dealers won't take this bike in part-exchange. If you have one of these bikes and it works for you, then I'm glad. But I think the new BSA company has some homework to do. Love and peace.
Tracking down and repairing a dodgy wiring problem that is obviously involving power to/from the ignition switch should not be a very difficult thing to do one's self. That is what I would do, thus readily/quickly achieving a perfectly running motorcycle.
@@TheSkeptic-lz2cc Invalidates my warranty. So if you look to the future, gearbox issue maybe, no warranty. I’d be safer not to touch any defects right now
@@MotoTingle Since the dealer won't fix it you have a very big and heavy paperweight. Personally I would just fix it myself and if that invalidates tranny warranty then to h*ll with BSA. If the bike is any good you shouldn't have major problems.
@@TheSkeptic-lz2cc They kindly told me the hate BSA have for me in daring to make my videos. So no new loom for me. Well I’ll just stick to the facts and let the people decide. You know the dealership ain’t the issue here, they are as helpful as they can be. Wait till you see what I got as a patch job. Oh, it’s a mess. But saying that I still had to trailer it home. Let’s see what y’all think in an upcoming video
A nice dose of the reality of buying a new BSA. It would scare me to think of losing the amount of cash your bikes former owner lost. Over 8 years ago, I bought my MT10 for a smidge under 10K new. I've done 40,000 trouble-free miles in that time. The bike is still probably worth 4K??, so its cost me under £1000/year depreciation doing 5,000 miles a year. Lets not add in the petrol cost 😳
I enjoyed your latest bike show video. My local BSA dealer have modes the BSA display to the second hand bikes section outside of the main showroom, they are the only dealer in my county, once they give up BSA my bike will be worth even less 😂 - I think it’s about to become my winter bike.
Lovely bike, the MT 10. I downsized to an MT 03 after having numerous issues with one of the first 900 Triumph Street Twins. P.S, love your channel, only just found it and subbed instantly. Thanks for the info regarding Richard's send off. Spoken to him many times at Huggys bike meets. He was a lovely bloke and a sad loss to the biking community.
@user-rf9me7xm1w Thanks for the sub. I was going to go up to Huggys one day, it was Richard who told me about the place. Hopefully, we will see you Friday morning for his send off. Sad times
I had the same issue with an 18 plate Triumph Street Cup wiring loom,i was told the loom was too tight and it chaffed around the head stock.Needless to say i went back to Japanese.
I had the same issue with my 2016 street twin. It went straight back the dealer when delivered who bodged the repair. It lasted for a month and went back again and they also fitted the recall bracket which was supposed to tidy the loom around the headstock. After that, the electrical system was a lottery regarding what would work and what would not. Really exciting, sometimes I had indicators, sometimes, a horn and occasionally nothing at all. I swapped it for a Yamaha, no issues now, fantastic bike, lighter, faster and wahoo, everything works.
A brand new one at the new "lower" RRP of £4600 would be a great buy, "providing" this wiring issue has been sorted. At the price you paid for your bike, be patient, get the issue fixed (Under warranty) and you will be quids in, I feel sorry for anyone who bought theirs two years ago at "full" price. I love the legacy edition with the chrome finish.
Hi .... I had an identical electrical issue years ago with a Honda 550 four. It ended up being that when the wiring loom was stretched around the headstock when the bars moved the wires pulled on the sprung loaded electrical connections in the block under the ignition switch and stopped the connections. Power would return when the bars were straight. Hope this helps narrow down the problem
I bought a 2023 Kawasaki KLR650 on sale for US $5800, ($6900 regular price) and its fair market value right now is $6525 according to Kelly Blue Book. The KLR and Gold Star have very similar measurements and identical displacements but the BSA is not listed by KBB so as a stand in for the Gold Star the Royal Enfield 650 interceptor is listed and it's FMV for a used but well kept 2023 yr model is $4560 ($6149 regular price). In one year the KLR depreciated 5% and the RE depreciated 25% and I bet the BSA fairs worse than the RE. As for reliability I do not own a RE but this is my third KLR, I have owned one of each generation and put over 100K combined miles on the three with zero troubles.
@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain I’m stuck with mine also, just a shame Lukas Distribution and BSA wouldn’t assist with my loom fault. Finding I’m mot alone, a guy had his two weeks old late month, now losing engine oil. I thought the build issues were over? Clearly not
@MotoTingle I'm surprised by Lukas as they were really good with me with the cutting out issue....did you buy privately? Also the loom around the headstock issue is well known (mine had a new loom and a new engine before i bought it) what reason do Lukas give for not assisting you?
@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain They didn’t provide a reason. So I waited 5 weeks to get into a dealer and opted for a loom repair rather than a three month wait for a loom. Everyone said the loom issue didn’t exist on anyone else’s BSA. Like you it’s well well documented. I did buy second hand but 12 months old and 800 miles on it. Which shouldn’t leave an owner out in the cold just because I didn’t go to a dealer. It’s a shame.
@@MotoTingle Buying the first run of any new model always is a gamble. In 2016 I had a brand new Triumph T120 Black, one of the first batch. The wiring loom on that was way too tight around the headstock when I turned the bars to the right, the clocks misted up badly, the front wheel was badly spoked. I put up with it for a short while then just got rid because it spoilt the whole thing for me. You are in a similar position sadly. If you hang in and get the thing sorted you’ve still had a massive bargain of a bike.
About 25 yrs ago I bought a BMW 1100 RS . Found I couldn't live with it as a commuter so tried to trade it. The dealer looked up its value and the depreciation was horrific. Even the dealer was surprised. So I'm not sure that depreciation is a reflection of the quantity of the product. It's more about the size of it's potential market. If you like it, buy it, ride it.
@@bitey6709 I agree with you, some bikes drop horrifically in value, others do not. I traded a two year old Yamaha and lost £1,500 on what I paid. It seems quality counts for dealers and buyers
I bought an Interceptor this year because ..... nostalgia... It has minor rust spots on the exhaust and the clocks are misting up in the cold. Minor problems I know but 2 more problems than my 2011 Tiger 800 has had in 13 years ( yeah, ok, the Tiger header pipes have some rust). Triumphs are expensive, but the quality is undeniable.
Mate, I think you can service your own bike without effecting the warranty, as long as you sign the service book. I remember looking into that myself and legally you can, UK might be different but worth looking into. Good luck.
The exemption doesn’t cover motorcycles in the UK. I’m trade so I know this when anyone comes near me with a bike under warranty asking for service parts. I will fix it myself but seems mad as it’s under warranty
I've had lots of bikes in the last 50 years. As examples of reliability...Kawasaki zx14 2006. Bought new kept for 15 years. 70,000 KMs. No issue. 300 km/h machine on low quality West Aussie country roads including dirt. Current bike is 1200 Thruxton. Bought with 2300kms a 18 months ago. Done 20,000 . Spent $2000 on fixing electrical issues. Lovely bike customised, especially front forks seat and gearing, ($1000), as it did not cope with wide open low quality WA country roads and gravel. As for depreciation, one example of "too much money", a RUclipsr from Suffolk, sold his as new T100 because it needed new tyres and a service and bought the latest T100....Still one man's loss is another man's gain. It's not a Beeza, it's a simulation, "paper roses paper roses "tune in background. Even the Revived Norton appears to still be a prototype. Royal Enfield...? A mate bought a $12000 2022 650 for $9000. Rode my 1200 Triumph, traded the RE after 6 months of ownership for $7000 and bought a 900 Thruxton for $8000. I recently sold a top condition 1900 Yamaha for $12000 after 4 years of ownership after paying $11000 for it. Some bikes become icons and I believe one icon is the 1200 Thruxton. Get one and you won't worry about the electrical issues.
loooks like you got a bargain , I rode the BSA soon after launch , but decided to stick with my Interceptor , 6500 trouble free miles , luv its limitations , not to fast , but fast enough , also have the scram , and early himalayon , again probably worth nothing due to new models surpassing them for demand , all the very best on your quest for repairs .
Went to Bridge Motorcycles earlier this week - a new 650 for £4999 - and it's relegated to the second hand section of the store. I was tempted previously but it seems to be a bike to avoid at all cost.
@@aceofspades5786I called GT and was told “we have stepped away from BSA” - GT Plymouth build race bikes, repair Ducatis and old Hondas, they have lathes and well trained mechanics. Yet they’ve stepped away from BSA, that’s saying a lot to me
So sorry to hear that… I was hoping they would make their way to the US but now, not so much… I started riding with a Suzuki Savage 650 single (1986…) and I was looking forward to the retro experience with a 650 single, now there is no way I would get one. I have a Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650 and I’ve had zero problems with it, fit and finish is so much better than the INT650 I had a few years ago and I love the parallel twin. I was hoping to add the BSA at some point, oh well… I hope they get it sorted soon.
@@michaelpratt5160 BSA are coming to the USA. And they’ll be marketed as a British Motorcycle. The influencers will rejoice at its rebirth and they’ll all announce the issues with build quality are over. Like you, I’m used to riding trouble free motorcycles, getting zero support from the manufacturer was a huge shock to me. I’d like to sell this bike and be done with it but nobody wants a bike with a broken loom
my T120 2016 model 2 weeks into ownership i needed a new wiring loom luckily for me i had brought from a dealer i dread to think how much that would have cost me my problem was the loom was too tight around the headstock so on turning the bars as you do caused 'issues' ! . i also have a BSA my first big bike i brought when i was 18 an A10 Road Rocket 57 with a 62 super rocket engine . good luck
@@Richard-pe4cx A10 is a superb motorcycle. Glad Triumph replaced your loom. I’m not being offered a new loom, I’ll do an update video on what I did get… It’s not good.
Wire harness issues, common to Triumphs also. You can replace the harness $$$. That will Probably fix the issue but it is Not an improved part, and a repeat of the issue is more when then if.
@@donaldhipple4921 it’s not available to purchase as in back order, your right it close to one thousand pounds £. The issue was during installation at the factory, I’ll do a follow up video to show everyone
l cant help thinking that those who wanted that classic bike feel would have been better off with the real thing...Sure, you would have needed to do a bit of spanner work, maintenance etc...but thats part of the appeal of ownership....l built a 650cc Triumph 'Bonnie''powered Triton in the late nineties. New, and old/new stock to fettle her. the only real problem was a 'duff' magneto that was remedied by a specialist repairer....after which the bike ran perfectly. Had the added advantage it was already a classic so had lost most of its depreciation long ago.....
I'm truly sorry for you Guys, being a skinflint/farmer I have always waited for a long time just to see what the repair bills will be and I have only just bought my first Kawasaki, because terrified of costly failures! All the best pinning down the BSA CEO by the ( redacted for reasons of bodily sensitivities! )
Hey, I appreciate you checking out my videos. It’s a motorcycle I really wanted and now I want it sold. Nobody wants to buy a wiring loom damaged BSA 😢 - enjoy your well engineered Kawasaki
Pretty much all the same for Chinese bikes, Voge, CFMoto, Benelli and even worse for Zongsheng, QJ, Motomorini… they looks awesome when new but shows age faster. You can buy them but need to sell them before warranty ends. Got burned with one of them. Never again or maybe in 10 years. Anyway if you love it you end loving its flaws. Better if you can afford to keep it as a secondary bike. Thanks for the honest review 🫡 ride safe
Agreed, these bikes are banned from our workshops for a reason. That being "if you touch it, you own it", and they combe back a week later "since you worked on my bike, something elsewhere broke and its your fault", thus we had to ban them.
Such a shame! To me, the new Gold stars look really good, promising another classic looking bike but with modern refinement and reliability. Now, it seems that it’s all gone horribly wrong. It doesn’t seem to be the basic design, but a question of quality control and customer support; two things which in this day and age should not be an issue for any company doing business internationally. At this rate, even if the company does get the issues sorted, it may well be a case of too late, the buying public will have lost confidence in the product. Once that happens, it’s all over.
I was super excited about their return and just had to have one. I waited two years to pick one up and it’s been a poor ownership experience. Seems I am mot alone given the amount of emails from owners telling me they sold theirs due to issues and the recent price drop. I’m looking to fix mine up and sell it on.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Honest podcast, the motorbike industry is showing signs of implosion and it’s not over yet. Kawasaki Colchester is up for sale, lots of other motorcycle businesses have either closed down or thinking of throwing-in the towel. Just my opinion, you should do the repair yourself in the long-run it will probably turnout cheaper that way, just accept it for what it is and move-on. Motorcycles are going to devalue in 2025, so if you have a small collection as I have, I tend to put the value on them with the amount of time I share with them rather than on the actual bikes themselves…… Best wishes.🦉🇬🇧🏴🏍️🕊
Interesting video and it confirms my initial feelings about these bikes. Sorry to have to say that RUclips reviewers/influencers are responsible for the hype generated when they were launched and they have failed to live up to expectations. I live in New Zealand and I don't think these cursed machines ever made it to our shores so I would think that this is an almost exclusively UK problem. I hope that once you get your bike running it gives you many trouble free miles, but sadly, I somehow doubt it will, at least you didn't pay to much for it, so there is that.
A commenter hinted that a few influencers were loaned bikes. I’ll dig deeper as the names given to me all now have Triumphs, which is a funny twist, making out bikes are fab but not actually buying them either their own money. I’ll dig deeper. Anyways I was offered £1,950 for mine if I get it fixed, so I’m loosing money on it as I paid £2.200 - it doesn’t feel like I hit a good deal
I bought the legacy version last year for £7,300 I traded it in after 2 months for a new triumph I managed to get £6,000 for it Mine used too cut out on occasions that’s why I sold it
It’s not just bsa prices, trade in any 1yr old bike and you will lose around 50%, try to sell private and you might lose more. Too many bikes and not enough riders therefore supply is massively outstripping demand.
@@Trevster65 Although, some brands are faring better than others. Yamaha, BMW have strong sales, low depreciation. I hate all this theory that the UK motorcycle industry is going under. What I am seeing is manufacturers treating dealerships badly. Forcing them to invest tens of thousands in front of house there’s and forcing dealers to buy bikes that just don’t sell well. My friend just had ten bikes delivered he did not order and now has to sell in order to access the bikes he really wants. Plus manufacturers opting for solus no multi franchise dealerships isn’t helping. I’d like to go to a motorcycle shop, not a shop that also sells quads and jet skis 😂
I so wanted this bike had a test ride, couldn’t get on with the clocks being at a strange angle, just couldn’t gel with bike, went to dealers only couple of weeks ago and brand. New down to 5k.
Despite all of this, i too want a red bsa goldstar. My grandads last bike was a red bsa a10, and i have two classic bsas. And a new goldstar will complete my collection nicely.
I test rode one when they first launch and on a twenty or so mile test ride I came away reasonably impressed and wrote a review to that effect. However I preferred the RE650 I had also ridden and have one of those. Looks like I have dodged a bullet if you don't mind the pun. I hope you get your bike sorted and start to some enjoyment out of it
I talked a mate out of buying one on performance figures alone. I dubbed them "Old mans rose tinted specs bike", I'm 61 lol. Indian ones aren't a patch on the original on finish, let alone performance
Yeah, you should see the owners. All falling over themselves owning a BSA. Then the cries of hopelessness when faults occur. To be fair, I wanted one. But didn’t realise it’s not built like other bikes, quality components to a point, let down by poor quality control. And the influencers will say “all the problems are fixed”, I feel they are being told this like it’s a real truth. I’ll do a few more videos then I’ll try and sell this bike on, I’d really hate to sell a bad bike to someone though, it just ain’t a Good thing to do
@@MotoTingle The Bonneville, Daytona, Blue Star, Silver star, Gold Star all earned their badges. They were road burners of their day. With the exception of the (Hinckley) Daytona, The new Bonnie and Goldie don't come anywhere close. I think I'd rather have the W650 or 800 as, by modern standards it's low on BHP, but it makes no pretences to previous glory
I bought my Midnight black GoldStar on the 1st March 2023 for £6800 + otr making £7100 then I replaced the poor rear shocks with upgraded ones from tec for £88. My first service was an offer deal of £100. Due to a heart attack in May this year I've hardly used it and now have 675 miles on the cloc Tried a 9k Honda last month and was offered £2600 in p/ex, on a Yamaha i was offered 3 grand. The distributor i bought it from gave up selling them in January so he wasn't interested and the new Distributor didn't even answer my e-mail when i I asked about a Kawasaki they had. To add insult to injury i put it into ' we buy any bike's ' website and they told me they weren't interested in a BSA as well. The bikes OK it's BSA that are shot.
I totaly feel for oyu and FULLY AGREE> BSA and Lukas Distrubution havent lifted a finger to assit me with these faults. It should NEVER have been this way, BSA has superb investment and its being run by people that feel butt hurt that we the owners speak out with issues. Dealers know their trade, if they cant make money they are not interested, my local dealer says 80% of BSA's have returned for warranty work. Yes the infuencers are telling us life is good. - BSA will never see this but if they did id beg them to improve customer relations and step up to help owners. Valus would then increase as confidence is restored. - Truth is, they can not even trace who built what bike at the factory, later this year they are implimenting a barcoded system for parts. The issue isnt the parts! its the people making the bikes!
I've had enough of BSA and although I've lost a load of money I've today negotiated a deal for Kawasaki Eliminator 500. It's an ex demo bike with just 29 miles so that's limited my loss.
This is an interesting and excellent review of the current state of affairs….. Festival, I’m not suggesting for one minute that Royal Enfield are faultless or sometimes have their problems, every motorcycle does even if it’s a weird quirk that we’re okay to live with…. when it boils right down to it it isn’t so much the mechanics of the motorcycle. It’s the regime that built the regime of the company from what I can see from a number of these reports is that a) They wanted to get onto the nostalgic machine Sales idea and let’s be honest. It’s a great idea to start with….b) Being one of the biggest manufacturers of motorcycles, they are not in a rush to provide other motorcycles in the fleet to build the brand. C) more importantly BSA manufacturing don’t seem to have good control on quality control, after care service, parts control…. all of these are the backbone of good manufacturing and when you get it wrong, we blame the machine but actually it’s the manufacturer…. Because if I had a decent management and a decent process of due diligence and care everybody would be rejoicing…. Worst still, mud really sticks and so early on in this marques life there’s a whole mess stuck to it and it will take such a long time to clear that. Whilst I love the idea of a 650 single BSA and they do look lovely touching the nostalgic part of me when I used to own a 650 twin BSA…. Right here right now wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole…..
Hi I was really looking g forward to the release of the goldstar after so long a time of putting the launch day off and now I am put off other than poor finish and electrical issues what else do they suffer from. As you paid so little for it is it not worth doing the repairs your self and forgo the warranty or is it a matter of principle
They are coming to the USA, you’ll want to pull the tank off and reseating its loom the wiring loom at first instance. If it feels tight at the headstock, run away…
Shame isn’t it, it started with such enthusiasm, I test rode one and it was OK really, the rear shocks had no damping and pulling away in 1st it felt electronically limited to me, but once underway it was quite stompy and good fun, all bikes in the UK seem to be taking a hit value wise but when it’s possible to buy a brand new BSA for £4600 that decimates the value of older second hand ones, I might have one at some point when they are down to £1500 ish, or in other words “banger money” next summer?
I’ve been offered £1,950 for mine on the assurance I get it fixed, so I’m loosing money and commenters are telling me it’s cheap? Sooner I get this painful bike out of my life the better. In other news, I saw thee BSA influencers suddenly all buy Triumphs, now I assumed they had all sold their bikes but a commenter hinted they were long term loans. Blaggers! Might dig deeper and do an expose video on them
@@MotoTingle I have to say I’ve become a big fan of Triumph myself, I’ve had a 1200 Thruxton for about 5 years and it’s been terrific, I recently purchased a 1200X scrambler and to me it’s the most enjoyable bike I’ve ever ridden (and I’ve had over 70 bikes), yes they cost a lot more than BSA’s or Enfields but it’s probably a case of “you get what you pay for”, luckily you didn’t pay much for your BSA and once it’s fixed who knows you might enjoy it?, although sometimes once a relationship with a bike is soured it sort of stays that way 🤔, anyway good luck with it 👍
I had an A65T Thunderbolt and can confirm your alternate acronym interpretation. But when it ran, it was fun. Eventually switched to a Yamaha XS2 and never regretted the move. Wish I still had it but it was traded in for a BMW R90S, which I still have.
Here we offer the first three services free of charge. Usually until you reach 10, 000km. Would a dealer in the UK get in trouble if they did they? Why don’t they?
Shocking…. but sadly, not surprising. I’d forget about the warranty and just fix it! Order the parts you need from anybody else But the dealer you bought it from! Or buy a T100 / T120.
@@TheGreatestBeyonder That’s my issue, if I touch it they’ll pull the non existing warranty from me. Should it have a head gasket (very common) or gearbox fault, I’ll be left with no help. To be fair, they are not helping… 😂
You lose the VAT at twenty percent and the dealers profit on the new sale to start with then probably fifteen percent depreciation, the first year is always the most and matket preception, so around forty to fifty percent in this case. As in all purchases, buyer beware.
Have you tried we buy any bike and similar websites just for a laugh apparently there’s people daft enough to sell there bikes this way. But they will give you a up to date industry valuation. Good luck with the bike like you say because of the warranty you daren’t fix it even if you can and broken wires on a low mileage 12 months old bike is absolutely un heard of. I have 50/60 year old bike and that’s not a issue people need to start talking biking bikes back to the dealerships they came from with a solicitors letter demanding a repair within 7 days or a total refund. I bet they opt for a repair. Just saying. And thanks I was going to buy one for my wife. So if I had and it broke, I’d be living off dry pot noodles till it was fixed. So you’re a life saver.
@@davemonday5381 It’s the community also, you buy into a brand and everything fin with BSA until you have an issue. One chap bought an OEM pillion grab handle which doesn’t fit the Gold Star 😂 and he was made to feel like skum. So if you do buy one, aim to be a loaner, don’t ever discuss any issues, lol. I will sell mine once it’s fixed up, no way would I want to hand it over to anyone with faults. In other news I had the health check, had to trailer the bike away from the health check as its batter went in okay and came out dead. Honestly you couldn’t make this stuff up
Only thing BSA about them is the badge , you know where they are built , you know you are going to get trouble . Almost no R&D done on the bikes before world market sales , traded as if they were an established company , they arnt . our local dealer sold 10 , got ten back , they were sent a new bike to use for spares to get them going again...... spares wernt or arnt available , and still arnt . the spares bike or whats left of it is on an auction site ( TSW) for £280 .Sad , could have been so good . the bikes themselves look amazing !!!
Link me! I need parts for my bike! - Yeah, a dealer I’m friends with has 80% warranty on BSA’s and the margin on sale so 10% but they are a few months away from letting BSA go as they’ve sold them to very old boy in town.
I have seen one here in south Florida at a bike show. Big mistake as two booths down was a true original. The original was beautiful, the new one not so much.
Happy to say that I once owned a genuine original 1960s 650 Rocket Goldie with the RRT2 box etc and it was a red one too!. All genuine numbers etc. Sad to say that I sold it back in 1973 when I emigrated to Australia. But even more sad is that I was tempted to buy this current 2024 Rocket Goldie and ship it to Oz. I'm so glad I didn't. What a shame this potentially magnificent machine is such a failure. But I've had the privilege to own & ride the best of BSA so I count myself lucky. When you've had the best, don't bother with the rest?
I paid 5500 new so not too bad but traded for 2900. I was having cutting out issues. Re mapped twice. Still the same . After 3rd trip into dealer I cut my losses and got a honda. I liked the bike a lot but the way it was going it was.nt ever going to get fixed and dealers selling cheap. Shame but the cut out was dangerous in certain situations. Final straw was chap in dealers saying if you are going to trade it Don.t bring it here. 😮
Yes! mine died at 45mph in a 60 limit. Everything went dead. Now it needs a loom or loom repair. Local dealer doesnt want in it PX either, I thought id offer it against a Yamaha MT09 and the dealer said NO.
Well, I said it out loud when I saw this bike on NEC for the first time that it's not good. Well, it is interesting and has some potential and I would love to own retro 650 single with modern quality, but the Mahindra is not the one. For sure it's not finished product. So for now I will stick to my W800...
I don’t own a BSA. I do like the look of the modern retro styling and there are several out there. There is a lot of negativity about the Goldstar on this review, mostly people saying they are not very good but with no actual explanation why? The MCN review is quite positive about the Goldstar, but the review does highlight a few issues (is there such thing as a perfect bike?). In my (some might say naive) view the bike looks good. The engine is tried and tested over a long period of time? Can anyone tell me with certainty and evidence, what is wrong with the Goldstar?
What's wrong is multifactorial. Most important is build quality, they have issues. Second is support, I received NONE, ZERO, NADDA. You would imagine having warranty would get any issues resolved but not with my experience. Bennetts did a review and BSA wanted nothing more to so with them, they mentioned picking paint off the fuel tank, which EVERY other reporter turned a blind-eye to. They are made in a Jawa factory that doesn't have any working quality control, so BSA can not trace bad batches back to the crew that made them. Influencers will tell you everything is great now (I am sure you've seen the videos). So, how did mine slip through the net? Went to a local dealer and two out of the four motorcycles for sale have the same loom issue my motorcycle has! I know exactly what to look for now and showed it to a huge BSA fan who I met up with, his bike luckily was not affected. Its like roulette. You gamble the bike you are buying is any good. Its 2024, we should just be able to buy working motorcycles.
Gutted for you mate you are a genuine guy! I feel the same way about Hinckley Triumphs I am an older biker into my sixties had Triumphs all my life the original ones although they had niggling little faults were made with quality parts, I loath turning up at the Triumph owners club with the now Thailand made products, these are not made with care or passion, they like your BSA are spread sheet motorcycles ripping off the names of the classic machines of yesterday, these are not motorcycles for riding they are for parking up and avoiding, buy Japanese if you want new always! Or the genuine stuff if you want BSA Triumphs and Like you will totally avoid disappointment fact ,
I have a 2020 Speed Twin 1200. Great bike, good finish and attention to detail. Wonderful engine and I've not had a single problem. I owned 2 Bonnevilles and a Commando in the 70s, really enjoyed them but times have moved on my new Triumph is a million times better in every way.😂😂
Yup, my Benelli Imperiale, two years old 3k miles, dealer wouldn't even px it. At least it was cheap and is reliable so far. Won't be buying from them again tho'
They really are authentic in every way. Real BSAs were always an ‘enthusiasts’ bike. You were either a time served mechanic or you wanted to become one. I loved them, but then again I also loved my spanners….
@@-old-school-motorcyclesltd I’ll fix it myself after it’s “Health Check” where I had to trailer it away 😂 crazy but true. Will aim to do an update video with all the gossip next week
I was always a bit miffed they weren't imported to Australia. Now I think that's not such a bad thing. I hope Mahindra gets behind the brand & works through the problems. The scrambler version looked good, but is it too late? For the people who own these bikes I hope it isn't.
@@Free_Ranger_CT110 You’ll get them soon enough. Enjoy! Just watch out for loom issues, top end rebuilds and nonsense from influencers telling you they are the “gold standard”. Everyone talks like the problem are over, I’ve had three emails from owners today which have issues. Here’s an easy one, the batteries, if you check the owners videos, they eat batteries. Yuasa being a top level battery too.
@@Free_Ranger_CT110 But it might be a good one. You’ll be missing out 😂 It’s a game of Roulette for sure. When we have influencers telling us what’s good and what’s bad, instead of the press. Red Flag 🚩
I would like to express my sincere gratitude for everyone's valuable feedback. I have received considerable criticism from BSA owner groups regarding the documentation of my ownership experience. It seems purchasing a 12-month-old motorcycle with 800 miles, which subsequently experienced fluid leaks and wiring faults at 45 mph, has made me feel somewhat marginalised. Documenting and discussing these issues openly online has not been well received. Unfortunately, I have not received any support from BSA or Lukas Distribution.
@@MotoTingle sorry to read this. Like I said above about my Norton. My comments on a forum were seen by a Norton employee and I was contacted by Norton to resolve the issue. Can't fault them. BSA should be taking a leaf out of their book
Contact bill Nelson, pro for bsa owners club, he thinks that they are a good bike!
@@movieknifedude3265 I too have a Norton 961 and love it.
However the Nortons are blatantly far superior in quality as is reflected by the price.
that's why im a honda fan, i want performance, reliability and to keep the residual as best i can - i don't nostalgia for any old motorbike or resurrected brand name, id never buy a BSA, RE or any other of the so called 'modern classics', and if i wanted a warts and all experience including waiting by the roadside, id just buy an old original one, at least they're interesting lol. GL
@@Bob-ts2tu I’ve always fancied a Kawasaki W800
I respect your honesty and willingness to tell it how it is. There are far too many "Influencers" who refuse to give anything but praise for every bike they review often reciting the " all modern bikes are reliable " mantra , and arrogantly suggesting people who are not convinced by Indian and Chinese bikes are some kind of xenophobic dinosaur.
I test rode the BSA shortly after it was released and enjoyed it , but certain aspects of the finish and stories I was hearing about the company concerned me so I decided it wasn't for me.... The dealer dumped the brand less than 12 months later.
This is all an owners perspective. I’m a motorcycle mechanic and using the same warranty system any owner has to. It’s been a tragic experience that most can’t/wont talk about. “Watchmaker quality” and “the gold standard” are used frequently. Oh, I’m seeing 2024 bikes getting top end rebuilds due to poor machining on the heads. Influencers: “all problems are fixed” 😂
STUART FILLINGHAM FOR INSTANCE......what a ##ick.
@@WyreForestBiker has Uncle Fillingham still got his? He told everyone not to buy one.... Then bought one himself!
@@Trev350 he most certainly has, and loves it!....like I do
@@Trev350. Iv’e read comments about him on Reddit, say no more.
It’s a cheap poorly built Indian bike with an off the shelf name plate. I’ve been riding Japan’s bikes for over 40 years and not had any of these problems. Thumbs up for the honesty of this video. Respect and good luck.
Cheers, I’m a mechanic that’s been collecting bikes for years, all of them I love apart from one. It’s been a bloomin awful experience, hateful owners, terrible service from Lukas Distribution and here I am waiting five weeks just to get it into a workshop, let alone get warranty approved. Cheers!
Spot on Warren slapping a tank badge of a previously Iconic manufacturer on third rate motorcycles doesn't turn the sow into a silk purse.
@@rekzkat Double Sided tape holds my tank badge on. Ask me how I know... Cause one side came off
I worked on japanese bikes and everyone had problems honda 360 destroyed cams poor oil circulation hondas replacement parts same problem funny how people are so against the Indian made bsa yet love the Indian made triumph 400 which has plenty of problems switching of the engine when people are riding it my last two bonnevilles made in thailand the great English made bsa is gone only problem with mine is the name gold it means nothing to me it will be covered up soon by a made in India decal
problem is jap bikes have 0%claas.
Thank you for your honesty, sir. Ever since I saw the black phantom model, I’m lusting for one. The Black Phantom model is the most beautiful and handsome machine I’ve seen available today. But thanks to honest people like you I’ll wait a bit and learn more about this machine. Currently a W-650 owner.
The “W” stands for …….
WONDERFUL !!!
Id live a W800 with the bevel cam gear. Yes, influencers will tell you plenty of things, just not the reality of ownership. So here I am
W is definitely wonderful I have had my w650 for 19 years absolutely brilliant bike.
When there was talk of bringing back the brand I was really keen to get one (I have a 1960 BSA A7SS which I bought secondhand in 1967) especially as they were trying to get out a new single cylinder bike looking like the old Gold Star.
Luckily there doesn't seem to be any BSA dealers in my part of Spain so getting older and weaker I traded in my 2017 T120 Bonneville for a Royal Enfield 350 Classic. Yes it's slow but it ticks almost all the boxes for me.
Thank you for telling me about all the troubles with the 'Gold Stars' I won't be looking at them the same again.
I talked with the Director of BSA. He regaled me with R&D stories and I totally believed it would be a quality product. The 2024 models have machining issues on the heads so plenty of top end rebuilds going on while influencers are “all problems are sorted” 😂 - my videos are real ownership experience. Check this out, I had my 2024 health check. And had to Trailer my BSA home as it somehow suffered a battery failure overnight. What! Editing the video right now
@@bsabiker-d7z your loss my gain
Like you my dad had a BSA back in the day, he also had a Bullet, and I loved the fact I could now get a new BSA.
You just clinched it for Royal Enfield.
Thank you for your advice.
Royal Enfield owners all seem really nice, this BSA lot, if you have an issue they disown you. You should see the FB Groups, any mention or question of a fault and your out the door. Enjoy your RE!
All old bikes overpriced
Its a real shame that some of these bikes have had issues. There are a lot of us who have had no issues and love the bike. Mine was one of the first batch in the UK. I’ve toured with mine in all conditions and it’s never missed a beat. The resale value is not a good indicator of confidence in the brand, but if you look on other forums for new models, every brand has some initial niggles and its how the dealers support their customers in the early stages. There are some very good BSA dealers in the UK. Mine’s a keeper!
@@juliecharlton5182 Agreed, if you are near and have a good dealer you’re in luck. I have waited five weeks just to get my bike in. BSA/Lukas have offered zero assistance. I agree, residual prices show peoples confidence in the brand. How are BSA to improve? They can’t even trace the shifts that build the Friday bikes as they are not working to ISO standards, later this year they are implementing a barcode system for parts, woohoo! Probably to help prevent thefts internally. I’ve been watching the socials of the staff at the factory and it’s a real eye opener
I love mine, no problem
We all want a bargain, no way are these that cheap….
@@juliecharlton5182 well said....no issues with mine either...you can visit Ducati, BMW etc forums and they are filled with moaning owners
Mr Tingle strikes again with brutal honesty and facts, nice one Alex 👍
@@marksimpson4363 Need to do better on my audio. Thanks. Seeing a few die hard BSA influencers changing to other brands. Had their bikes for a few months, yet raved about them in videos 😂 yeah, I’m unlikely to sell on a brilliant machine.
Sorry to hear all this, no biker wants that. Fingers crossed for you it gets sorted soon
Yes, its a real shame, Thank you.
I bought a Norton. I had an issue and within 2 days I had Norton on the phone, they collected the bike and took it to the dealer, repaired it and returned it within a week and gave me the number to call with any future issues.
@@movieknifedude3265 quality! For me BSA and Lukas Distribution left me to rot.
However there’s a number of owners on the Norton forum who’ve had a miserable time with faults and lack of interest shown towards fixing them. I was genuinely interested in a Norton myself but there’s way too many going wrong. Your 2 day problem sounds about right.
Luckily you. I unfortunately bought a 2012 961 four years ago. It broke down 9 months later and has been with the dealer ever since as they can't seem to fix the problem.
@@rochmel1409 Nooooooooooo
@@rochmel1409 that's a Garner bike
Stuart Fillingham on YT. I came to his channel regarding Royal Enfield Interceptor 650 content. Lots of good stuff. I bought one. Love the Interceptor. Now he has a BSA G.S. Hmmmm. I don't agree with his view of it at all. I have actually met an unhappy owner of a BSA. So, this honest review was super to watch due to the honesty and great presentation. Thank you Alex !
He really doesnt like me. Wasnt he telling people not to buy a BSA then bought one? - I am after a classic BSA so when this one brakes down ill bring out the classic, Haha! an A10 is the aim.
@@MotoTingle "Aye Up" well I am sorry your dream turned into a nightmare. Think I'd stuff their terrible warranty, take the headlight etc off to find the loom pulling fault, video off it all to help others out and ride the damn thing !
I also have an R.E. 2003 Army Bullet 500cc. Had it since 2007 ( picked up with 400 miles on it). Cast iron barrel, right foot change. Twin leading shoe front brake. Known as "Harry" ( Enfield). My 'British' bike. Love it too but one has to fiddle with it being 'Old Skool' design !!!
There's an old saying " Never buy the first iteration of any bike"
This should applies doubly to a New Marque.
I thought that Post air head BMW bikes were bad in this respect with marketing overriding good engineering practice mostly driven by the car division.
At least the BSA didn't cost £20k. While the depreciation is a high percentage of the sum paid and it's annoying, fix the problems even if it invalidates " the warranty" and ride the bike for years to get value. Depreciation only affects you when you sell early.
Yeah, nobodys going to buy mine, upcoming videos will show you more
I don't get why people buy a new bike that looks like it was built in the 60's when for the same or less money you could have the real thing and all the class that goes with it.
At the time of release of the modern BSA, it disrupted pricing of vintage ones. Prices plummeted. Two years on, I am now seeing vintage BSA’s trading at very healthy money and the modern one discounted to £4,995 RRP - oldies I talked to wanted maintenance free, no kick start and as easy experience. Myself I’m not old, old 😂 but I didn’t realise modern motorcycles could have such issues. Now I can’t sell it. It’s just ridiculous
Because people want to ride and not tinker.
Tell me where you've seen a 1960's Gold Star for £5k in the last twenty years. I did own one of the original DBD34s and believe me it was the most inconvenient bike I ever owned.
@@arthurramm8664
Who said it had to be a gold star?
Bit of a leap there.
Rubbish, if you think that you can buy a genuine BSA Gold Star for the same price as the Indian made doppelgängers let me know where they are and I’ll buy all of them.
Thank you for producing this Vlog and although I am not interested in owning a Gold Star, I am really pleased you made this video which for me highlights how fake a lot of other Vloggers are. I think it was very brave of you go be so honest and I can probably guess the names of the other Vloggers you are referring to. Due to your honesty I will be following your channel more often. Once again thank you for posting this content, great work mate.
@@nosek1d it’s not been easy, I got zero help from BSA, Zero. They don’t even have a factory that can track back which bikes are affected to which shift built them. No way I just bought a random bike that just happens to be bad. No way. I should buy a lotto ticket I’m that lucky. Cheers!
@@MotoTingleI wish you the best of luck with getting it to where you will be happy.
@@nosek1d Cheers!
Wife's 2019 Honda Rebel, 24,500 miles, zero issues! My 2021Yamaha, MTO 7,750 miles, zero issues!
Sort of says it all......
Swap! 😂😂😂 I believed the director of BSA when he told me stories on R&D that it would be a quality product.
@@MotoTingle A local dealer tried to sell me one, and I must admit, I was taken by the looks, but I'm glad I stuck with a well established Japanese brand. Good luck with your Goldie.
@@barriewilliams4526 I should have bought a Kawasaki W800, but EVERYONE told me the problems were all fixed with BSA Gold Stars, all the owners groups and influencers, so I gave it a go, full of regret...
Not really riding motorcycles from 1970 90cc to1400cc few back problems so along with the bsa I bou a yamaha tricity 300 yamaha quality dead on 20 miles on it every frame weld was rusty 100 miles a dangerous fault in the stand assist put it along with every one sold of the road three attempts by yamaha to fix the fault which caused some deaths across the world took a year before it was sorted so let's no pretend it's only bsa that has problems
A lot of Jap bikes have poor quality voltage regulators that don't last unless you put fan and heat sink on.
Hi sorry that you’re having problems with your Goldstar , by watching your video I can see that yours hasn’t had the recall to the the head light bowl , when you turn the stearing the loam is to tight . One thing I would recommend before purchasing a second hand goldstar is that it’s had all the upgrades. I do believe that some of the BSA dealers do not give a good service your bike should not of been sold before it had been updated. I can recommend a dealer in Devon that actually cares and that is Bridge Garage Exeter. The
Earlier the engine number the less chance the updates have been done (the engine number is stamped below the gearbox casting ). I have a few bikes on the road Triumph t100, HD softail and the BSA and I love the bike it’s got so much character and is so much fun to ride . If I can be of any help then contact me .Alec
I remember looking forwards to seeing the new BSA especially when the CEO said that they wanted to start building them in the Uk.
Me too! He had me convinced it would be a British built motorcycle. But it’s made in a Jawa factory with appalling quality control. I heard the director is seeking funding for a UK factory, Mahindra won’t foot the bill. They can’t even trace bad batches as they don’t use a barcode or any system that helps them identify which shift made what bikes
Thank you! I've owned several big singles and was very interested in this bike but will now avoid the BSA like the plague, I'll take my chances on the Mash 650 classic.
@@paulblackfield473 You’ll find influencers telling you it’s a fantastic product. And everyone’s going to have different experiences. For me it’s how issues are handled, how dealers are assisted with parts and payment for warranty work. I might go checkout some Mash 650 videos now, Cheers!
I know two guys with Royal Enfield Meteor 350s... One currently at 26,000 miles, one at 30,000 miles. Zero issues on both. Enough said.
Your making me jealous 😢
The J platform Enfields are becoming legends. My Meteor 350 is now my go to bike, I’d confidently ride it anywhere.
Unless you have a lot of money, ALWAYS BUY 2ND HAND. I tried one today at the dealer near Barcelona on some moutain twisties (pretry spirited knee out cornering) and a bit of motorway and I want it. Brilliant engine and handing. Got it up to 160KPH. Blows the RE Classic 350 out of the water. It's got 2000kms on the clock. It cut out a few times at traffic lights and the there was something slightly out with the clutch lever/cable. So, you're right. Issues need to be sorted. The Legacy is nice but the tank should be totally chrome, so my pick is the cheaper Dawn with the black stripe. BSA Spain have this model at 4499 euros + 300euros registration costs. 4799€. Discounted by about 800€ UNTIL END OF NOVEMBER, however, I'm gambling on the price staying the same. So will not take the bait. There are NO 2ND HAND BSAs in Spain right now!!!! But they are being sold in small numbers, so I'll wait for a desperate seller some time next year. My view is that at 5k€ these are a brilliant price quality ratio and for 2200£ even with probs that's excellent value, cause it's a fabulous bike. I filmed and checked it over carefully. Lovely styling, love the clocks, switchgear is usual quality, paint and finishing OK FOR THE PRICE. I hope they have fixes for the bike. I asked the mechanic if he'd taken a course in BSA mechanics and he said no, they send info and videos from Madrid !! Yep, so quality servicing, knowledge and parts is also a worry. Next year the saleman confirmed that there's a BSA Scrambler coming and more investment in the brand. So, buy 2nd hand and Buyer Beware and forewarned and you have the best British fake classic available. So excited... and I just can't hide it... I know I know... 🎉😂😅
The scrambler is going to be a big hit for sure. Good prices too. Plus your weather is far superior to ours. Viva la Espana!
@@MotoTingle the weather is one of the big reasons I'm here , low 20s in November, the bike season is just beginning 👌 🙌 👍🏼 let's hope the quality on the Scrambler is better 😬
A 650 single blows a 350 single out of the water?
Well I'd really hope so....
However, as many of us found out riding old British bikes last century, a 650 twin is a much better option than a big single. Smoother. faster. easier.
@@darkdestroyer6634 Once you choose the amount of power you need, and I'm at the stage that less than 50CV is fine, it's a case of which bike do you like best, personally. I'd also be happy with a 650 twin, but I think I'm as fickle as the next person, and once I have the power I need it would be down to comfort, and looks .... 1st world problems I admit.
Well, two things really. They are not 'BSA' and they are shite.
Nail on the head mate. Saying that, the BSA is a nail. I had a dealer almost begging to buy one. I walked out and bought a RE Interceptor instead.
Mahindra shite actually!🤣
I said it was nasty from day one.
BSA ….bring spanners along. 😂
@SamWaide-t6r It's called balance. Some people have positive experiences and some have negative ones. It is equally valid that both sides are published.
Well, sorry for your trouble. I bought an RE. Never missed a beat. Really fancied a BSA but thought 650 single is a speedway engine.
Good, honest review. I've seen others mention the poor finishing, but I was not aware of other problems. For me a Royal Enfield is more authentic with their genuine heritage, build quality nowadays is excellent and dealer service too, been an owner for almost 2 years no issues. I also could not get past the fake cooling fins and radiator on the BSA!
@@M15TERx Thanks. I’ve an update video being edited. I’ve been accused of making a video for clicks but all that’s happened is it’s real, it’s what’s happening and it’s true, nobody can control the RUclips algorithm, it’s my experience of ownership and I stand by it. I’d BSA looked after their owners the owners would be counting “trouble free miles” 😂
Enfields arnt holding money either
I thought this would happen with prices I've been tempted but been following your progress and I'm not so sure now even at £2200
@@RedfordBaron I think mines worth £1.950 to be fair. It’s two things, Zero help from BSA and the owners who are “I’m alright Jack”. I’ve noticed two of the top influencers have let their BSA’s go. Rhumors are they had issues but carried on promoting for views. Shame they wouldn’t tell the truth. I’d respect them more
Mine went back after 6 months and just a week after the first 500 mile service
Constantly cutting out , fuel pouring over exhaust and plug
I got £4K back against another brand . Took the hit on the loss of money but when you look what 12 month old are fetching I’m happy to be rid.
Yes, I’ve seen videos of petrol pouring over coil packs and more horrors. If they only got Quality Control right, we’d all be enjoying our BSA’s - Noticed three RUclipsrs suddenly changing to Triumph from BSA after what I can tell was about five months ownership, they have the bikes glowing reviews too. I wonder if they even paid for the bikes as none of them mentioned any kind of depreciation
The first owner presumably didn't get the full £2200 for it either! A major red flag for me would be that he was prepared to walk away from ownership with a loss of at least £5000..
He got the full asking price of £2,200 - Its not a red flag if you can but at £3,000 from dealers
I went to buy one in NZ dealer would no trade my 1987 gb400 at any price, so went to dealer who traded my bike on a 2022 Honda shadow - got the feeling I dodged a bullett
But that's why you only paid just over 2 grand for it. Forget the warranty, fix it yourself and enjoy the bike you always wanted. Doesn't sound like the warranty is worth a damn anyway.
@@caahacky Agreed, supposed to be a worry free 4 years, erm… 😂
Have to agree with you, if the price paid is so low, the question has to be why? For that money, if you actually like the bike and when it’s running the ride is enjoyable, part of ownership is getting to know the machine and understanding how it should work and if it isn’t, swinging a spanner.
I bought a Chinese motorcycle unseen, for not a great deal of money at all but had done some research on the model and the company and wearing my pessimistic hat went to the dealer to collect thinking “what have I done!!!?”
Longs story cut short. Back at my garage. Stripped the thing, put grease where grease should be and rode it……absolutely enjoyed riding a big thumper again after many years of twins and multi’s. Now traded it in for another of the same brand but I actually made a small profit but because I bought new and it’s Chinese I know it’s value will drop like a lead weight. Providing it doesn’t fail, I will keep it for another three years when I doubt very much if I will get an affordable insurance premium it it ride it or my other Japanese bike due to my age.
The point of this is? The BSA Gold Star was a dream purchase for practically nothing, therefore you made a punt, knowing there was a risk and now you’re capitalising on that error by producing a video to support your channel and future income stream. You can’t have it all ways. It’s as if you are pleased things have gone astray and able to capitalise on your misfortune.
Many producers of YT videos run short of new material and produce anything at any time for whatever reason and I’m suspecting this is possibly one of those.
I bought the first Chinese motorcycle on the understanding that I may have bought the proverbial pup!!!! I was prepared to lose some or all of the money but my eyes were open at all times and if nothing else it would give me something to play with in the garage. Happily all went well but the future may be different with the new bike but that is life.
You are the author of your own destiny.
@@andycapp8843 Owners have said to me "I dont care if its depreciated, I am happy with it!" which is a BIGGEST lie anyone can tell themselves. You buy a Watch or a House or a Car and it looses most of its value in 12 months, whats the point? SHould have bought a Casio not a Fake Rolex
@@MotoTingle The biggest self administrated lie is to buy a motorcycle thinking it will be an investment at best and depreciation minimal at worst. Look at the industry, it’s in decline, youngsters struggle to either get motivated into get cold and wet for fun when they can sit in an air conditioned box and the cost, not forgetting todays yoof will want bells and whistles. Illogical to compare a house or watch for instance as motorcycles as property and a genuine Rolex rarely if ever depreciates whereas motorcycles most definitely have and will do in the future.
You cannot roll up to the Greasy Spoon on a Rolex or semi detached des res take a picture and send it to everyone on the table with you and then forward to FB to all and sundry.
There will be major changes in the motorcycle industry in the very near future as older riders take their final ride and costs continue to rise, when the majority on average incomes feel the squeeze and release some or all of their collection.
The Chinese and Indian manufacturers will enjoy a short term opportunity to capitalise on this with only the fittest being able to survive…..and they will.
Dealers are closing, profit margins are slim, quality mechanics are as rare as hens teeth, the internet will strangle itself through its own success with many on line traders collapsing.
Witness the NEC Bike Show last November…..you could walk around, look at the stands, without the fight of yesteryear with many of the usual traders absent…..one guy was selling settees, that is how desperate the organisers must be to sell their displays.
Bikes bought in the blast 5 years will never become classics, they’re out dated now being computers with wheels.
All is not doom and gloom however, riders/owners have to change their outlook and accept their pride and joy is a (rapidly) depreciating asset, ride the things, learn how to fix and service, budget carefully and accept it as a barely affordable luxury….for many.
Keep the big round rubbery things south, enjoy the full English and help the industry survive.
Exactly what I would do.
Like you my dad had a bsa gold star and back then he said BSA stands for Best Shoved Along !!. I'm after a second bike and would love a triumph 400 x but no, promblems are beginning to surface on them so I'm going for a honda cl 500 to go with my tracer 9. All that said I hope you get your bike sorted and get to enjoy riding it and thanks for a great vid
I do like a CL, owners rave about them and the fuel economy is great. I like the single sided bags too, just helps set them apart
It's a real shame that yours still isn't fixed as it is a cracking bike. I reckon your best bet is to fix it yourself. It's either the loom routing putting stress on a connector in the headlight bowl as you turn the bars to the left, or less likely on such a new bike, a broken wire in the loom at the headstock bend. Taking it apart and carefully investigating won't affect your warranty, so it's worth a shot surely.
I just didnt want to invaluidate the warranty, ill do a video on it to show everyone
@@MotoTingle Warranty doesn't sound like it's worth bothering with.
Well you’ve saved me some money I’ll be giving the gold star an mis now thank you for that.
@@davemonday5381 Never say never. There seems to be an ownership path the the “influencer” community recommend. Which is to buy from an approved dealer. If you buy second user you become an outcast, just like me. I’ve been lanes a BSA hater and worse. It’s a wonderful ownership community. If you toe the line and say nice things they will leave you alone, show ANY issues or ask questions about an issue and they’ll jump on you like a ton of bricks. Goto the RE communities and it’s a very different atmosphere. Very welcoming and happy to see issues and help other owners with them.
I have been a big BSA fan for decades but would rather have my old Honda XBR500 than one of these. They remind me of the toy motorbikes on merry-go-rounds.
Wait till you see my wiring looooooooom, stretched.... New video on it soon
Indian workmanship! My Japanese 50cc 2 stroke scooter, 37,000 kilometres, no issues. My Kawasaki W800 23,000 miles no issues
It’s not just BSA, any new bike is undergoing massive depreciation at the moment because bikes in general just aren’t selling. You only have to look at all the offers available trying to tempt you to buy a new bike. Large motorcycle dealers are closing down everywhere because there aren’t the sales to maintain their flashy chrome showrooms.
Yes, and people are only just finding out like it’s a shock. Dealers I know have been struggling since covid and have struggled on then collapsed
When I saw one in the flesh so to speak I thought they are not a patch on a Royal Enfield. Cheap plastic parts all over it. The exhaust was not even properly finished off. Its a shame really as I did really fancy one. Nice video :)
@@thehaggiscatcher I’m disappointed with mine, I’ve had more use when buying £750 bangers than a nearly new bike
The largest factor contributing to the new Gold Star's depreciation is that the company have drastically reduced the official basic retail price of the new bikes.
Royal Enfield 650 twins have also suffered a dive in used bike values since RE ditched their original importers/distributors (MotoGB), who then heavily discounted existing stock (but not as drastically as BSA's new bike price drop)… Of course this is of no matter to those of us with no intention of selling. My Interceptor (bought new in 2019) is still the best £5500 I've ever spent.
@@ChrisParrett-qo4sx I agree. Royal Enfield are making some bold changes but they have a lovely customer base, the riders are friendly toward each other, you buy a BSA and unless your telling the world it’s the best bike ever, your shunned by other owners, kicked out of groups by admins, you either town the line with BSA or reap the distain. Me, I wanted a BSA so much. I’ve bought £750 bikes and covered miles, been keen to post them on my media for friends and family. Owning a BSA, it’s missing from everything but RUclips. I feel if I had RE and went to my dealer with issues I’d be dealt with and it would be well underway.
@@MotoTingle Had my RE Interceptor here in Australia for over 4 years. Absolutely no issues at all. After riding Jap bikes for 50 years i am so impressed with RE.
Admirable to see this, motorcycles shouldn't turn into lucky beans under warranty, but not just BSA. I've lost so much money on MV Agusta Aprillia, Guzzi and Norton to name but a few. We are seeing the end of motorcycling , dealerships in disarray cos they have flawed business models and are over leveraged. Very good video makes ya think
@@stevenbrownlee2875 I agree with you, having seen friends buy into brands that then don’t support production flaws. I was offered an MV but gave it a pass, nice modern machine but boy did the owner have a bad time. For me it was the “influencer” community all calling out that the brand was good and all issues were fixed. So I did my best to buy a good one, but more than this, when the manufacturer isn’t interested. That’s when you realise you’ve made a HUGE mistake. If you sing their praises they reward and treat you, if you should any signs of issues, your on your own. For me, even though it’s clear my bike needs a loom, they decided I’m not worth of one because of my videos, upcoming video being edited…
Had my Enfield for 2 years .
Aircooled simple lump and done all my own servicing from new.
£300 quote for the first service ?
Oil change and tappets check ?
F off it took 90 minutes in my garage.
Not worried about the 3 year warrantee one bit.
£300, man that’s painful. I have it thought as to look into the repair, given how young the motorcycle is and seeing a few horror stories I decided to go through warranty rather than risk loosing warranty, and then suffering a gearbox or top end issue and having no comeback. I know dealers have to pay their valued staff a wage and overheads, I know one of my local dealers is close to £100 per hour. And I bet the mechanic is only on £15ph, well done for taking charge and looking after your Enfield
I nearly ordered and paid up front for one of these machines. Then thought I'd wait a while to see what would happen with quality and warranty claims etc. Luckily I found a RE euro4 second hand 4000 Km give or take on it, €4500. I've put 3000 trouble free summer Km on it. So far so good.
It’s roulette. And impossible for BSA to trace I’m guessing or they’d pull affected machines from sale for rectification. Instead they are sold and the towers have to discover is they are affected or not.
This is interesting, Stuart Fillingham has just bought one, it will kill them if he has problems he has big viewer numbers. I suspected it was too good to be true.
@@anthonyprice5596 I’ve seen a few of the top influencers who rode BSA’s change to other brands now. With no mention of why.
Fillingham's a twat of the First Order. If I sent him a turd in the post, with a label that said "This is a Royal Enfield", he'd kiss it, and probably try to wear it.
If Triumph sent him a gold bar, he'd complain it wasn't a platinum one.
His channel is unviewable, unless you've got the kind of low IQ that voted "Reform".
cos of his 'name', did they give it to him!!!
Bingley Wheeler also just bought one
He doesn't influence me.
I would suggest the warranty is worthless.
I bought a 25 year old Harley that happened to be at a used bike dealer.
They wanted to sell me a warranty, I said it's not worth the paper it's written on.
I wouldn't buy something I couldn't fix.
I had a GSXR750j that had a wiring fault, I'd forgotten about it, ground wire to the kill switch meant it cut out on right turn.
Frustrating because it would start at the roadside but cut out as I tried to pull back out.
A respected dealership in England I know of has cancelled its BSA franchise because of the number of warranty claims. Basically, the 'Gold Star' is crap.
Love and peace.
@daweshorizon your wrong, of course. They cancel like the bsa bosses did in 1972 ! Hay ho, you dont learn from history 😟
@@dayvidmathews1182
I am fairly confident about my knowledge of history and I can write a post that actually makes sense in the English language. I don't understand what point you are trying to make here.
Sure, the BSA/NVT group went bust years ago and they certainly made their fair share of unreliable bikes.
I was commenting on the India-made BSA revival of the 650 Gold Star. Because of so many warranty claims and because it is something of a 'niche' bike' are contributary factors explaining why many dealers won't take this bike in part-exchange.
If you have one of these bikes and it works for you, then I'm glad. But I think the new BSA company has some homework to do.
Love and peace.
Tracking down and repairing a dodgy wiring problem that is obviously involving power to/from the ignition switch should not be a very difficult thing to do one's self. That is what I would do, thus readily/quickly achieving a perfectly running motorcycle.
@@TheSkeptic-lz2cc Invalidates my warranty. So if you look to the future, gearbox issue maybe, no warranty. I’d be safer not to touch any defects right now
@@MotoTingle Since the dealer won't fix it you have a very big and heavy paperweight. Personally I would just fix it myself and if that invalidates tranny warranty then to h*ll with BSA. If the bike is any good you shouldn't have major problems.
@@TheSkeptic-lz2cc They kindly told me the hate BSA have for me in daring to make my videos. So no new loom for me. Well I’ll just stick to the facts and let the people decide. You know the dealership ain’t the issue here, they are as helpful as they can be. Wait till you see what I got as a patch job. Oh, it’s a mess. But saying that I still had to trailer it home. Let’s see what y’all think in an upcoming video
A nice dose of the reality of buying a new BSA.
It would scare me to think of losing the amount of cash your bikes former owner lost.
Over 8 years ago, I bought my MT10 for a smidge under 10K new. I've done 40,000 trouble-free miles in that time. The bike is still probably worth 4K??, so its cost me under £1000/year depreciation doing 5,000 miles a year.
Lets not add in the petrol cost 😳
I enjoyed your latest bike show video. My local BSA dealer have modes the BSA display to the second hand bikes section outside of the main showroom, they are the only dealer in my county, once they give up BSA my bike will be worth even less 😂 - I think it’s about to become my winter bike.
Lovely bike, the MT 10. I downsized to an MT 03 after having numerous issues with one of the first 900 Triumph Street Twins. P.S, love your channel, only just found it and subbed instantly. Thanks for the info regarding Richard's send off. Spoken to him many times at Huggys bike meets. He was a lovely bloke and a sad loss to the biking community.
@user-rf9me7xm1w Thanks for the sub. I was going to go up to Huggys one day, it was Richard who told me about the place. Hopefully, we will see you Friday morning for his send off. Sad times
I had the same issue with an 18 plate Triumph Street Cup wiring loom,i was told the loom was too tight and it chaffed around the head stock.Needless to say i went back to Japanese.
Crazy how such poor quality is acceptable. Doesn’t anyone at these companies take responsibility?
I had the same issue with my 2016 street twin. It went straight back the dealer when delivered who bodged the repair. It lasted for a month and went back again and they also fitted the recall bracket which was supposed to tidy the loom around the headstock. After that, the electrical system was a lottery regarding what would work and what would not. Really exciting, sometimes I had indicators, sometimes, a horn and occasionally nothing at all. I swapped it for a Yamaha, no issues now, fantastic bike, lighter, faster and wahoo, everything works.
@@user-rf9me7xm1w I have Yamahas and know the joy of a working motorcycle.
The photo you showed picking up your bike says it all. The connection with the city, of that 'BSA' motorcycle, is less than Miss Birmingham.
A brand new one at the new "lower" RRP of £4600 would be a great buy, "providing" this wiring issue has been sorted. At the price you paid for your bike, be patient, get the issue fixed (Under warranty) and you will be quids in, I feel sorry for anyone who bought theirs two years ago at "full" price. I love the legacy edition with the chrome finish.
Yes! Legacy for me too. I just bed on Red and lost 😂
Plastic chrome unfortunately
Hi .... I had an identical electrical issue years ago with a Honda 550 four. It ended up being that when the wiring loom was stretched around the headstock when the bars moved the wires pulled on the sprung loaded electrical connections in the block under the ignition switch and stopped the connections. Power would return when the bars were straight. Hope this helps narrow down the problem
@@richardjames2775 yep, that’s the issue!
I bought a 2023 Kawasaki KLR650 on sale for US $5800, ($6900 regular price) and its fair market value right now is $6525 according to Kelly Blue Book. The KLR and Gold Star have very similar measurements and identical displacements but the BSA is not listed by KBB so as a stand in for the Gold Star the Royal Enfield 650 interceptor is listed and it's FMV for a used but well kept 2023 yr model is $4560 ($6149 regular price). In one year the KLR depreciated 5% and the RE depreciated 25% and I bet the BSA fairs worse than the RE. As for reliability I do not own a RE but this is my third KLR, I have owned one of each generation and put over 100K combined miles on the three with zero troubles.
@@KLRJUNE I love a well engineered motorcycle too
Won't bother me I'm not planning on selling mine...love it too much
@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain I’m stuck with mine also, just a shame Lukas Distribution and BSA wouldn’t assist with my loom fault. Finding I’m mot alone, a guy had his two weeks old late month, now losing engine oil. I thought the build issues were over? Clearly not
@MotoTingle I'm surprised by Lukas as they were really good with me with the cutting out issue....did you buy privately? Also the loom around the headstock issue is well known (mine had a new loom and a new engine before i bought it) what reason do Lukas give for not assisting you?
@@SameSh1tDifferentDrain They didn’t provide a reason. So I waited 5 weeks to get into a dealer and opted for a loom repair rather than a three month wait for a loom. Everyone said the loom issue didn’t exist on anyone else’s BSA. Like you it’s well well documented. I did buy second hand but 12 months old and 800 miles on it. Which shouldn’t leave an owner out in the cold just because I didn’t go to a dealer. It’s a shame.
@@MotoTingle Buying the first run of any new model always is a gamble. In 2016 I had a brand new Triumph T120 Black, one of the first batch. The wiring loom on that was way too tight around the headstock when I turned the bars to the right, the clocks misted up badly, the front wheel was badly spoked. I put up with it for a short while then just got rid because it spoilt the whole thing for me. You are in a similar position sadly. If you hang in and get the thing sorted you’ve still had a massive bargain of a bike.
@@jfro5867 and that’s the thing, my bikes third or fourth batch to enter UK 🇬🇧 they made no effort to improve, which is a shame.
About 25 yrs ago I bought a BMW 1100 RS . Found I couldn't live with it as a commuter so tried to trade it. The dealer looked up its value and the depreciation was horrific. Even the dealer was surprised. So I'm not sure that depreciation is a reflection of the quantity of the product. It's more about the size of it's potential market. If you like it, buy it, ride it.
@@bitey6709 I agree with you, some bikes drop horrifically in value, others do not. I traded a two year old Yamaha and lost £1,500 on what I paid. It seems quality counts for dealers and buyers
I bought an Interceptor this year because ..... nostalgia...
It has minor rust spots on the exhaust and the clocks are misting up in the cold. Minor problems I know but 2 more problems than my 2011 Tiger 800 has had in 13 years ( yeah, ok, the Tiger header pipes have some rust). Triumphs are expensive, but the quality is undeniable.
Quality is the key
@@Rosbif06600 i have the clocks misting up too on a cold morning
Mate, I think you can service your own bike without effecting the warranty, as long as you sign the service book.
I remember looking into that myself and legally you can, UK might be different but worth looking into.
Good luck.
The exemption doesn’t cover motorcycles in the UK. I’m trade so I know this when anyone comes near me with a bike under warranty asking for service parts. I will fix it myself but seems mad as it’s under warranty
I've had lots of bikes in the last 50 years.
As examples of reliability...Kawasaki zx14 2006. Bought new kept for 15 years. 70,000 KMs. No issue. 300 km/h machine on low quality West Aussie country roads including dirt.
Current bike is 1200 Thruxton.
Bought with 2300kms a 18 months ago. Done 20,000 . Spent $2000 on fixing electrical issues. Lovely bike customised, especially front forks seat and gearing, ($1000), as it did not cope with wide open low quality WA country roads and gravel.
As for depreciation, one example of "too much money", a RUclipsr from Suffolk, sold his as new T100 because it needed new tyres and a service and bought the latest T100....Still one man's loss is another man's gain.
It's not a Beeza, it's a simulation, "paper roses paper roses "tune in background.
Even the Revived Norton appears to still be a prototype.
Royal Enfield...? A mate bought a $12000 2022 650 for $9000. Rode my 1200 Triumph, traded the RE after 6 months of ownership for $7000 and bought a 900 Thruxton for $8000.
I recently sold a top condition 1900 Yamaha for $12000 after 4 years of ownership after paying $11000 for it.
Some bikes become icons and I believe one icon is the 1200 Thruxton.
Get one and you won't worry about the electrical issues.
Yeah mate .wa roads are a bit harsh on bikes. Was on the Northam to Spencer's brook today. Nice ride.
loooks like you got a bargain , I rode the BSA soon after launch , but decided to stick with my Interceptor , 6500 trouble free miles , luv its limitations , not to fast , but fast enough , also have the scram , and early himalayon , again probably worth nothing due to new models surpassing them for demand , all the very best on your quest for repairs .
Yeah, well get it all fixed up. I do fancy a W800 to be fair, maybe one day...
Went to Bridge Motorcycles earlier this week - a new 650 for £4999 - and it's relegated to the second hand section of the store. I was tempted previously but it seems to be a bike to avoid at all cost.
GT in Plymouth had £800 off a line of them a few months ago. Has been a flop. If they stop importing can you get spares.
@@aceofspades5786I called GT and was told “we have stepped away from BSA” - GT Plymouth build race bikes, repair Ducatis and old Hondas, they have lathes and well trained mechanics. Yet they’ve stepped away from BSA, that’s saying a lot to me
I noticed this also, I looked at the bikes on sale, two had the same exact loom issue mine has! And two others did not.
I never loose money on any vehicles I buy. I have been known to lose loads.
So sorry to hear that… I was hoping they would make their way to the US but now, not so much… I started riding with a Suzuki Savage 650 single (1986…) and I was looking forward to the retro experience with a 650 single, now there is no way I would get one. I have a Royal Enfield Super Meteor 650 and I’ve had zero problems with it, fit and finish is so much better than the INT650 I had a few years ago and I love the parallel twin. I was hoping to add the BSA at some point, oh well… I hope they get it sorted soon.
@@michaelpratt5160 BSA are coming to the USA. And they’ll be marketed as a British Motorcycle. The influencers will rejoice at its rebirth and they’ll all announce the issues with build quality are over. Like you, I’m used to riding trouble free motorcycles, getting zero support from the manufacturer was a huge shock to me. I’d like to sell this bike and be done with it but nobody wants a bike with a broken loom
my T120 2016 model 2 weeks into ownership i needed a new wiring loom luckily for me i had brought from a dealer i dread to think how much that would have cost me my problem was the loom was too tight around the headstock so on turning the bars as you do caused 'issues' ! . i also have a BSA my first big bike i brought when i was 18 an A10 Road Rocket 57 with a 62 super rocket engine . good luck
@@Richard-pe4cx A10 is a superb motorcycle. Glad Triumph replaced your loom. I’m not being offered a new loom, I’ll do an update video on what I did get… It’s not good.
Wire harness issues, common to Triumphs also. You can replace the harness $$$. That will Probably fix the issue but it is Not an improved part, and a repeat of the issue is more when then if.
@@donaldhipple4921 it’s not available to purchase as in back order, your right it close to one thousand pounds £. The issue was during installation at the factory, I’ll do a follow up video to show everyone
l cant help thinking that those who wanted that classic bike feel would have been better off with the real thing...Sure, you would have needed to do a bit of spanner work, maintenance etc...but thats part of the appeal of ownership....l built a 650cc Triumph 'Bonnie''powered Triton in the late nineties. New, and old/new stock to fettle her. the only real problem was a 'duff' magneto that was remedied by a specialist repairer....after which the bike ran perfectly. Had the added advantage it was already a classic so had lost most of its depreciation long ago.....
Great news for people that buy used bikes and actually ride them.
I'm truly sorry for you Guys, being a skinflint/farmer I have always waited for a long time just to see what the repair bills will be and I have only just bought my first Kawasaki, because terrified of costly failures! All the best pinning down the BSA CEO by the ( redacted for reasons of bodily sensitivities! )
Hey, I appreciate you checking out my videos. It’s a motorcycle I really wanted and now I want it sold. Nobody wants to buy a wiring loom damaged BSA 😢 - enjoy your well engineered Kawasaki
Pretty much all the same for Chinese bikes, Voge, CFMoto, Benelli and even worse for Zongsheng, QJ, Motomorini… they looks awesome when new but shows age faster. You can buy them but need to sell them before warranty ends.
Got burned with one of them. Never again or maybe in 10 years.
Anyway if you love it you end loving its flaws. Better if you can afford to keep it as a secondary bike.
Thanks for the honest review 🫡 ride safe
Agreed, these bikes are banned from our workshops for a reason. That being "if you touch it, you own it", and they combe back a week later "since you worked on my bike, something elsewhere broke and its your fault", thus we had to ban them.
Such a shame! To me, the new Gold stars look really good, promising another classic looking bike but with modern refinement and reliability. Now, it seems that it’s all gone horribly wrong. It doesn’t seem to be the basic design, but a question of quality control and customer support; two things which in this day and age should not be an issue for any company doing business internationally.
At this rate, even if the company does get the issues sorted, it may well be a case of too late, the buying public will have lost confidence in the product. Once that happens, it’s all over.
I was super excited about their return and just had to have one. I waited two years to pick one up and it’s been a poor ownership experience. Seems I am mot alone given the amount of emails from owners telling me they sold theirs due to issues and the recent price drop. I’m looking to fix mine up and sell it on.
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Honest podcast, the motorbike industry is showing signs of implosion and it’s not over yet. Kawasaki Colchester is up for sale, lots of other motorcycle businesses have either closed down or thinking of throwing-in the towel.
Just my opinion, you should do the repair yourself in the long-run it will probably turnout cheaper that way, just accept it for what it is and move-on. Motorcycles are going to devalue in 2025, so if you have a small collection as I have, I tend to put the value on them with the amount of time I share with them rather than on the actual bikes themselves…… Best wishes.🦉🇬🇧🏴🏍️🕊
Interesting video and it confirms my initial feelings about these bikes. Sorry to have to say that RUclips reviewers/influencers are responsible for the hype generated when they were launched and they have failed to live up to expectations. I live in New Zealand and I don't think these cursed machines ever made it to our shores so I would think that this is an almost exclusively UK problem. I hope that once you get your bike running it gives you many trouble free miles, but sadly, I somehow doubt it will, at least you didn't pay to much for it, so there is that.
A commenter hinted that a few influencers were loaned bikes. I’ll dig deeper as the names given to me all now have Triumphs, which is a funny twist, making out bikes are fab but not actually buying them either their own money. I’ll dig deeper. Anyways I was offered £1,950 for mine if I get it fixed, so I’m loosing money on it as I paid £2.200 - it doesn’t feel like I hit a good deal
I bought the legacy version last year for £7,300 I traded it in after 2 months for a new triumph I managed to get £6,000 for it
Mine used too cut out on occasions that’s why I sold it
You know how they fixed the cutting out? By increasing the tick over 😂 mine his 2,000rpm on occasion and I’m like “I’m not even touching the throttle”
It’s not just bsa prices, trade in any 1yr old bike and you will lose around 50%, try to sell private and you might lose more. Too many bikes and not enough riders therefore supply is massively outstripping demand.
@@Trevster65 Although, some brands are faring better than others. Yamaha, BMW have strong sales, low depreciation. I hate all this theory that the UK motorcycle industry is going under. What I am seeing is manufacturers treating dealerships badly. Forcing them to invest tens of thousands in front of house there’s and forcing dealers to buy bikes that just don’t sell well. My friend just had ten bikes delivered he did not order and now has to sell in order to access the bikes he really wants. Plus manufacturers opting for solus no multi franchise dealerships isn’t helping. I’d like to go to a motorcycle shop, not a shop that also sells quads and jet skis 😂
Wow was not aware of practices like this, let’s hope it improves.
@@Trevster65 it’s all going solus dealerships. Five years from now finding a multi franchise will be few and far between.
I so wanted this bike had a test ride, couldn’t get on with the clocks being at a strange angle, just couldn’t gel with bike, went to dealers only couple of weeks ago and brand. New down to 5k.
The clocks are from a Jawa 42. Influencers will tell you “they were specially created for the Gold Star”
Despite all of this, i too want a red bsa goldstar. My grandads last bike was a red bsa a10, and i have two classic bsas. And a new goldstar will complete my collection nicely.
@@chrisdowns3725 Time to roll the ball in the roulette wheel of modern BSA ownership, I hope you get a good one ☝️
I test rode one when they first launch and on a twenty or so mile test ride I came away reasonably impressed and wrote a review to that effect. However I preferred the RE650 I had also ridden and have one of those. Looks like I have dodged a bullet if you don't mind the pun. I hope you get your bike sorted and start to some enjoyment out of it
I talked a mate out of buying one on performance figures alone. I dubbed them "Old mans rose tinted specs bike", I'm 61 lol. Indian ones aren't a patch on the original on finish, let alone performance
Yeah, you should see the owners. All falling over themselves owning a BSA. Then the cries of hopelessness when faults occur. To be fair, I wanted one. But didn’t realise it’s not built like other bikes, quality components to a point, let down by poor quality control. And the influencers will say “all the problems are fixed”, I feel they are being told this like it’s a real truth. I’ll do a few more videos then I’ll try and sell this bike on, I’d really hate to sell a bad bike to someone though, it just ain’t a Good thing to do
@@MotoTingle The Bonneville, Daytona, Blue Star, Silver star, Gold Star all earned their badges. They were road burners of their day. With the exception of the (Hinckley) Daytona, The new Bonnie and Goldie don't come anywhere close. I think I'd rather have the W650 or 800 as, by modern standards it's low on BHP, but it makes no pretences to previous glory
@@750triton Kawasaki W800 with bevel cam drive for me please
I bought my Midnight black GoldStar on the 1st March 2023 for £6800 + otr making £7100 then I replaced the poor rear shocks with upgraded ones from tec for £88. My first service was an offer deal of £100. Due to a heart attack in May this year I've hardly used it and now have 675 miles on the cloc Tried a 9k Honda last month and was offered £2600 in p/ex, on a Yamaha i was offered 3 grand. The distributor i bought it from gave up selling them in January so he wasn't interested and the new Distributor didn't even answer my e-mail when i I asked about a Kawasaki they had. To add insult to injury i put it into ' we buy any bike's ' website and they told me they weren't interested in a BSA as well. The bikes OK it's BSA that are shot.
I totaly feel for oyu and FULLY AGREE> BSA and Lukas Distrubution havent lifted a finger to assit me with these faults. It should NEVER have been this way, BSA has superb investment and its being run by people that feel butt hurt that we the owners speak out with issues. Dealers know their trade, if they cant make money they are not interested, my local dealer says 80% of BSA's have returned for warranty work. Yes the infuencers are telling us life is good. - BSA will never see this but if they did id beg them to improve customer relations and step up to help owners. Valus would then increase as confidence is restored. - Truth is, they can not even trace who built what bike at the factory, later this year they are implimenting a barcoded system for parts. The issue isnt the parts! its the people making the bikes!
I've had enough of BSA and although I've lost a load of money I've today negotiated a deal for Kawasaki Eliminator 500. It's an ex demo bike with just 29 miles so that's limited my loss.
@@ianhalliwell8604 Kawasaki are well engineered, I had a Z1000SX from new, 30,000+ miles and not a single issue
This is an interesting and excellent review of the current state of affairs….. Festival, I’m not suggesting for one minute that Royal Enfield are faultless or sometimes have their problems, every motorcycle does even if it’s a weird quirk that we’re okay to live with…. when it boils right down to it it isn’t so much the mechanics of the motorcycle. It’s the regime that built the regime of the company from what I can see from a number of these reports is that a) They wanted to get onto the nostalgic machine Sales idea and let’s be honest. It’s a great idea to start with….b) Being one of the biggest manufacturers of motorcycles, they are not in a rush to provide other motorcycles in the fleet to build the brand. C) more importantly BSA manufacturing don’t seem to have good control on quality control, after care service, parts control…. all of these are the backbone of good manufacturing and when you get it wrong, we blame the machine but actually it’s the manufacturer…. Because if I had a decent management and a decent process of due diligence and care everybody would be rejoicing….
Worst still, mud really sticks and so early on in this marques life there’s a whole mess stuck to it and it will take such a long time to clear that.
Whilst I love the idea of a 650 single BSA and they do look lovely touching the nostalgic part of me when I used to own a 650 twin BSA…. Right here right now wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole…..
I was duped by Influencers and owners who are all screaming "all issues are now resolved". Liars!
thks for heads up.i was gonna buy one.but not now
Hi
I was really looking g forward to the release of the goldstar after so long a time of putting the launch day off and now I am put off other than poor finish and electrical issues what else do they suffer from. As you paid so little for it is it not worth doing the repairs your self and forgo the warranty or is it a matter of principle
It’s not a bargain when others sell at £2.500 fully working. I’ve been offered £1,950 if I fix it. So it’s a loose loose for me 😢
I wish they were in the USA so I could buy a lightly used one for $2,000. Also, my 2010 BMW 1200GS has over 100,000 trouble free miles on it.
They are coming to the USA, you’ll want to pull the tank off and reseating its loom the wiring loom at first instance. If it feels tight at the headstock, run away…
Shame isn’t it, it started with such enthusiasm, I test rode one and it was OK really, the rear shocks had no damping and pulling away in 1st it felt electronically limited to me, but once underway it was quite stompy and good fun, all bikes in the UK seem to be taking a hit value wise but when it’s possible to buy a brand new BSA for £4600 that decimates the value of older second hand ones, I might have one at some point when they are down to £1500 ish, or in other words “banger money” next summer?
I’ve been offered £1,950 for mine on the assurance I get it fixed, so I’m loosing money and commenters are telling me it’s cheap? Sooner I get this painful bike out of my life the better. In other news, I saw thee BSA influencers suddenly all buy Triumphs, now I assumed they had all sold their bikes but a commenter hinted they were long term loans. Blaggers! Might dig deeper and do an expose video on them
@@MotoTingle I have to say I’ve become a big fan of Triumph myself, I’ve had a 1200 Thruxton for about 5 years and it’s been terrific, I recently purchased a 1200X scrambler and to me it’s the most enjoyable bike I’ve ever ridden (and I’ve had over 70 bikes), yes they cost a lot more than BSA’s or Enfields but it’s probably a case of “you get what you pay for”, luckily you didn’t pay much for your BSA and once it’s fixed who knows you might enjoy it?, although sometimes once a relationship with a bike is soured it sort of stays that way 🤔, anyway good luck with it 👍
@@1234567marks I love your upbeat attitude! Let’s see
I had a BSA A65L aka 650 Lightning. We always said BSA stood for "Bastard Stopped Again".
@@flat6fever680 aww! 😂
I had an A65T Thunderbolt and can confirm your alternate acronym interpretation. But when it ran, it was fun. Eventually switched to a Yamaha XS2 and never regretted the move. Wish I still had it but it was traded in for a BMW R90S, which I still have.
Here we offer the first three services free of charge. Usually until you reach 10, 000km.
Would a dealer in the UK get in trouble if they did they? Why don’t they?
Thats Amazing!
@@MotoTingle I just sent you an email on out BSA situation.
Shocking…. but sadly, not surprising. I’d forget about the warranty and just fix it! Order the parts you need from anybody else But the dealer you bought it from! Or buy a T100 / T120.
@@TheGreatestBeyonder That’s my issue, if I touch it they’ll pull the non existing warranty from me. Should it have a head gasket (very common) or gearbox fault, I’ll be left with no help. To be fair, they are not helping… 😂
You lose the VAT at twenty percent and the dealers profit on the new sale to start with then probably fifteen percent depreciation, the first year is always the most and matket preception, so around forty to fifty percent in this case. As in all purchases, buyer beware.
It's not just BSA though that has lost a lot of money. I know someone who traded in a Suzuki GSX 8. And got about half the new list price.
Wow! That’s gotta hurt
Have you tried we buy any bike and similar websites just for a laugh apparently there’s people daft enough to sell there bikes this way. But they will give you a up to date industry valuation. Good luck with the bike like you say because of the warranty you daren’t fix it even if you can and broken wires on a low mileage 12 months old bike is absolutely un heard of. I have 50/60 year old bike and that’s not a issue people need to start talking biking bikes back to the dealerships they came from with a solicitors letter demanding a repair within 7 days or a total refund. I bet they opt for a repair.
Just saying. And thanks I was going to buy one for my wife. So if I had and it broke, I’d be living off dry pot noodles till it was fixed. So you’re a life saver.
@@davemonday5381 It’s the community also, you buy into a brand and everything fin with BSA until you have an issue. One chap bought an OEM pillion grab handle which doesn’t fit the Gold Star 😂 and he was made to feel like skum. So if you do buy one, aim to be a loaner, don’t ever discuss any issues, lol. I will sell mine once it’s fixed up, no way would I want to hand it over to anyone with faults. In other news I had the health check, had to trailer the bike away from the health check as its batter went in okay and came out dead. Honestly you couldn’t make this stuff up
Only thing BSA about them is the badge , you know where they are built , you know you are going to get trouble . Almost no R&D done on the bikes before world market sales , traded as if they were an established company , they arnt . our local dealer sold 10 , got ten back , they were sent a new bike to use for spares to get them going again...... spares wernt or arnt available , and still arnt . the spares bike or whats left of it is on an auction site ( TSW) for £280 .Sad , could have been so good . the bikes themselves look amazing !!!
Link me! I need parts for my bike! - Yeah, a dealer I’m friends with has 80% warranty on BSA’s and the margin on sale so 10% but they are a few months away from letting BSA go as they’ve sold them to very old boy in town.
I have seen one here in south Florida at a bike show. Big mistake as two booths down was a true original. The original was beautiful, the new one not so much.
@@frankbutaric3565 its difficult to recreate the past, given emissions laws and standards on pedestrian impacts. The original is gorgeous.
412 trouble free miles ... then there was trouble !
Fix or repair daily (or more often if needed).
@@dancooper3806 Haha!
Happy to say that I once owned a genuine original 1960s 650 Rocket Goldie with the RRT2 box etc and it was a red one too!. All genuine numbers etc. Sad to say that I sold it back in 1973 when I emigrated to Australia. But even more sad is that I was tempted to buy this current 2024 Rocket Goldie and ship it to Oz. I'm so glad I didn't. What a shame this potentially magnificent machine is such a failure. But I've had the privilege to own & ride the best of BSA so I count myself lucky. When you've had the best, don't bother with the rest?
@@chrisstewart8259 I’d love an original, such a wonderful story
I paid 5500 new so not too bad but traded for 2900. I was having cutting out issues. Re mapped twice. Still the same . After 3rd trip into dealer I cut my losses and got a honda. I liked the bike a lot but the way it was going it was.nt ever going to get fixed and dealers selling cheap. Shame but the cut out was dangerous in certain situations. Final straw was chap in dealers saying if you are going to trade it Don.t bring it here. 😮
Yes! mine died at 45mph in a 60 limit. Everything went dead. Now it needs a loom or loom repair. Local dealer doesnt want in it PX either, I thought id offer it against a Yamaha MT09 and the dealer said NO.
Well, I said it out loud when I saw this bike on NEC for the first time that it's not good. Well, it is interesting and has some potential and I would love to own retro 650 single with modern quality, but the Mahindra is not the one. For sure it's not finished product. So for now I will stick to my W800...
@@UncleLongbeard W800 bevel drive cams! 👍
@@MotoTingle it is lovely but so is the single cylinder engine ;)
I don’t own a BSA. I do like the look of the modern retro styling and there are several out there. There is a lot of negativity about the Goldstar on this review, mostly people saying they are not very good but with no actual explanation why? The MCN review is quite positive about the Goldstar, but the review does highlight a few issues (is there such thing as a perfect bike?). In my (some might say naive) view the bike looks good. The engine is tried and tested over a long period of time? Can anyone tell me with certainty and evidence, what is wrong with the Goldstar?
What's wrong is multifactorial. Most important is build quality, they have issues. Second is support, I received NONE, ZERO, NADDA. You would imagine having warranty would get any issues resolved but not with my experience. Bennetts did a review and BSA wanted nothing more to so with them, they mentioned picking paint off the fuel tank, which EVERY other reporter turned a blind-eye to. They are made in a Jawa factory that doesn't have any working quality control, so BSA can not trace bad batches back to the crew that made them. Influencers will tell you everything is great now (I am sure you've seen the videos). So, how did mine slip through the net? Went to a local dealer and two out of the four motorcycles for sale have the same loom issue my motorcycle has! I know exactly what to look for now and showed it to a huge BSA fan who I met up with, his bike luckily was not affected. Its like roulette. You gamble the bike you are buying is any good. Its 2024, we should just be able to buy working motorcycles.
@@MotoTingle thanks for your quick and thorough response. I’ve learned a lot from it.
@@kevintracey4644 A pleasure. I do not hate BSA. I am just showing my experience of ownership.
Gutted for you mate you are a genuine guy! I feel the same way about Hinckley Triumphs I am an older biker into my sixties had Triumphs all my life the original ones although they had niggling little faults were made with
quality parts, I loath turning up at the Triumph owners club with the now Thailand made products, these are not made with care or passion, they like your BSA are spread sheet motorcycles ripping off the names of the classic machines of yesterday, these are not motorcycles for riding they are for parking up and avoiding, buy Japanese if you want new always! Or the genuine stuff if you want BSA Triumphs and
Like you will totally avoid disappointment fact ,
I have a 2020 Speed Twin 1200. Great bike, good finish and attention to detail. Wonderful engine and I've not had a single problem. I owned 2 Bonnevilles and a Commando in the 70s, really enjoyed them but times have moved on my new Triumph is a million times better in every way.😂😂
Yup, my Benelli Imperiale, two years old 3k miles, dealer wouldn't even px it. At least it was cheap and is reliable so far. Won't be buying from them again tho'
Thats a good looking bike too
Darcy bike currently back on Fleabay, £3300-reserve not met.
@@iantobanter9546 I think I saw it hit £3,600 once and reserve not met, then re-listed. Its a one off
They really are authentic in every way. Real BSAs were always an ‘enthusiasts’ bike. You were either a time served mechanic or you wanted to become one. I loved them, but then again I also loved my spanners….
@@jackhargreaves1911 Luckily, that’s what I do too
Hope you’ve got it sorted
Oooh I do enjoy reading the haters comments 😂😂😂😂
Mines still running nicely young man 💯💯😊😊
@@-old-school-motorcyclesltd I’ll fix it myself after it’s “Health Check” where I had to trailer it away 😂 crazy but true. Will aim to do an update video with all the gossip next week
@@MotoTingle
Don’t sound very healthy to me then lol 😂
Oh dear 😅 🥲
@@-old-school-motorcyclesltd Tell me about it.
I was always a bit miffed they weren't imported to Australia. Now I think that's not such a bad thing. I hope Mahindra gets behind the brand & works through the problems. The scrambler version looked good, but is it too late? For the people who own these bikes I hope it isn't.
@@Free_Ranger_CT110 You’ll get them soon enough. Enjoy! Just watch out for loom issues, top end rebuilds and nonsense from influencers telling you they are the “gold standard”. Everyone talks like the problem are over, I’ve had three emails from owners today which have issues. Here’s an easy one, the batteries, if you check the owners videos, they eat batteries. Yuasa being a top level battery too.
@@MotoTingle I won't be buying one mate!
@@Free_Ranger_CT110 But it might be a good one. You’ll be missing out 😂 It’s a game of Roulette for sure. When we have influencers telling us what’s good and what’s bad, instead of the press. Red Flag 🚩
Jawa and Yezdi have well documented QC issues
Should have bought a Honda ! Mine is 12 years old now, with no issues. Same with my Kawasaki 900 RS SE.
Well engineered motorcycles