Things I hate about the BSA Gold Star 650
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2022
- This really was not the video I hoped to make. I have been a SUPER HUGE fan of the Gold Star 650 since seeing them at Motorcycle Live in 2021. I was told by the CEO himself that he put 10,000km on the development motorcycle to ensure it was a great product. I was SOLD on the brand :)
I headed to my dealer in December 2022 to ride one of the first UK demo Goldies and came back from the ride no longer eager to place a deposit.
To this date of upload, every single influencer has been repeating each other nearly word for word, installing virtues such as 'watchmaker quality' and 'big thumping single'.
Their reviews have elevated this motorcycle to cult status.
What is it really like to ride? I am not posting videos on RUclips for monetization, I derive no income from my social media and I really wanted to buy a Gold Star.
Luckily I am not an influencer, here is my real-world perspective on the BSA I so desperately wanted to purchase until I rode one.
Dont misunderstand this video. I do not HATE the Gold Star, I only feel its RRP is far too high given the issues I have pointed out.
I firmly believe buyers will take their motorcycles home and then spend £££ in correcting flaws in the finish, updating components and keeping their BSA's in immaculate condition by not riding them for fear of early aging.
Some defects noted on this motorcycle which I did not dwell on during this video include, pitting on the chassis, offset passenger foot-peg rails! They didn't even turn up an inner spigot to carry that joint which would ensurer that any shear force at the weld would not snap the welds plus a poor handling characteristic when cornering which makes you feel like the rear has lost traction which most reviewers mention but blame suspension/tyres or 'greasy roads'. When it first happened to me there was no warning and it corrected as quickly as it occurred. Which made me uneasy about trusting the Gold Star in corners.
I can not see myself spending £7,200 (inc OTR fees) for a motorcycle that became overwhelmed by just riding it normally. Every ride I would be waiting for it to happen and the experience unsettled me.
The boot marks on the exhaust are prevalent in nearly ALL of the RUclips videos I have watched and your fav influencers have ignored them. If you don't see the marks you'll see heavy polishing to the exhaust by the dealer where the boot marks used to be.
Surely in this day and age basic things like boots marking exhausts should exist on modern motorcycles. BSA would adjust for it in the 10 years they have developed this motorcycle.
The fuel gauge has a mind of its own. In this video I started with 80 miles range but you will see the gauge showing three bars, then rises to almost full. I found on startup the gauge shows more fuel than you have, then once riding it drops significantly. This will catch most owners as they leave home to commute thinking they have plenty of fuel. Why hasn't anyone reviewing this motorcycle mentioned it?
Also I haven't shown the handling issue I encountered while cornering. I am still awaiting feedback to the video from people much smarter than I as to their opinions on why this exists.
Global demand says the BSA will sell very well indeed. and I wish the company and its new owners the best of luck with their purchases.
I will sit this one out until I see acknowledgement of the handling issue and increased quality control from the manufacturer.
If I bought a Goldie today, each and every time I sat on it I would know both dials on my motorcycle are lying to me. The 10,000 Rpm shown does seem quite daft for a single cylinder, so why did they produce a dial with 3,000 rpm sweep the needle will never reach? The same goes for the speedo. Needle movement over both dials is only two thirds of each dial an utterly pointless exercise.
I am sure that being dismissive of obvious faults, sweeping them under the carpet is something people do when they have spent good money for a product and then don't want the world to know they bought a pup.
I for one know the new owners will praise their BSAs and rightly so. When they take delivery they will be the only people in the world (at this point) to show off the first BSA's in nearly five decades, and the world will look on with adoring eyes.
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Lesson one, put your camera down, hold the fuel cap with your left hand and turn the key with your right hand. It's not hard !
Do me a video guide please 😂
Ok, fuel cap is removed and in left hand. Then how to put fuel in the tank without dribbling fuel on the tank exterior? On my old Honda the fuel cap was hinged so after unlocking it remained attached while open. Then I had two free hands to hold the fuel nozzle and some wipes to catch the dribble while moving the fuel nozzle to/from the tank.
Yeah it might be a good idea to read the manual before doing the video...
Can't open the fuel cap Should this guy be allowed out on his own
I thought everyone knew that these engines don't loosen up for a couple of hundred miles but here you go..!
Yeah, they seem to either dump their oil and trash gearboxes when run in beautifully. BMW Funduro 650 engine from the 90s. A quick google search shows all the stalling issues existed back them.
More like several thousand miles in my experience of modern engines, and had revving them early isn't a way to get the best from modern engines.
Good luck to those who'll have the venture to buy the bike you tested in the video...exceeding 7000 revs on a brand-new big, single-cylinder engine it's not exactly what I'd call a fair treatment, nor am I surprised you couldn't easily overtake the cars in front of you. Never heard of a mysterious thing called 'running in' of engines?
Another thing that is not fair is that the rider on this video is about 150kgr so he killed the half of the horses of this bike....
Modern engines with modern synthetic oil don't need to be run in like they did years ago.
@@sambrooks7862 Rubbish.
@@stevepalmer5670 is it? The last bike I had to run in at about 45 mph was a honda superdream in about 1982, I'm not saying you can thrash the granny out of a new bike straight out of the crate but you don't have to treat them like they're made of bone China.
Don't think bouncing off the rev limiter could be described as "treating it like china" 😅
Wow ... the last part of the video showing the Jawa is a real eye-opener and rather devastating.
Well done for finding the connection !!
I am. It hating on BSA. The day of filming was the day I was supposed to plan a my deposit. I was disappointed with the motorcycle I was given to ride. I was a HUGE fan. No longer. There’s a lot of folk placing deposits not knowing what they are getting. Cheers!
@@MotoTingle I had considered one myself . To be honest the price difference in India factor can also be said of the Royal Enfield models ( which are of course identical bikes) Its the fact the BSA is clearly just a
rehash of an existing model is more damning in my mind , especially one that is a smaller capacity and in
particular with the lack of clarity about the fact . I have just watched a promo video about the Jawa and the
exact same rhetoric about the bike is being used as we heard in the BSA ad's !! ... It all comes across as very
insincere B/S
@@WyreForestBiker I too have noticed the insincerity and product cross over. I’ve met commenters that think it’s a UK manufactured motorcycle and others that tell me I’m wrong as the motorcycle they have ordered is going to be so perfect. It’s not for me right now, I’ll spend my money elsewhere.
I’ve got the Silver Sheen Legacy and it really is not as bad as he’s saying - it’s a decent motorcycle for the money - gets lots of positive comments and is actually really nice to ride
I am really glad your BSA isn’t as bad as this red one. But I’m seeing other owners having oil warning light issues, issues starting, EML lights. All on the FB pages for BSA owners. I truly want one but I’ll give this generation a miss until quality control has better consistency. Sounds like you are one of the lucky ones and long may it last!
I have had my new Goldie since saturday the 4th, I have a collection of 12 bikes , from 73 nortons yamaha xt 500 to BMW GT 1300 , tomorrow I m off to dorking I will ride my favoured bike THE BSA its brilliant
Outstanding! My video is not designed to slag off BSA. It’s just shows the bike I was given.
That's a good honest well researched review I'll certainly be watching more of your reviews
I really wanted to buy a BSA that day. Thanks for your feedback.
Hello Alex, I think since the Interceptor 650 and this new "BSA" are very similar in almost every area comparing them is not like comparing bananas to oranges, right?
Maybe it's is more like comparing red apples to green apples.
But there is one area [the most important one] where they differ, their engines and it may give them also different characters and behavioral feedbacks to their respective riders. I mean, when we think about parallel twins it's easy to conceive an idea of a more "elastic" sort of motor. Like they are more able to be revved towards a higher position on the curve of RPMs and it's good that the ratios on the gear box may allow a more, lets say, spaced gear changes . By contrast, a big single could be interpreted as a "half" of a classic V Twin, being more apt to give out that strong low end torque and its characteristic thump faster than a parallel twin but running out of puff faster aswell. So they [the big singles] don't "like" to be revved too high.
In short, parallel twins tend to be more comfortable geared high and singles tend to feel better geared low. That means that to squeeze some juice out of a single, it's better to work through its gears faster than we would do on a parallel twin.
If you agree [or even if you don't] with what I wrote above, please I'd like to read your comment about it, regarding the character differences of the Interceptor 650 vs the BSA.
Thanks, have a happy new riding year.
Peace from Brazil. ✌
80 miles and you're bouncing it off the rev limiter! and running full throttle 😳
Absolutely . . . 'I'm no engineer' he says, after 20 mins. of being baffled by a simple fuel cap . . .
A poor review; by a whining urbanite with all the mechanical sympathy of a wrecking ball. : )
@@loddude5706 Hi. A commented called Obsidian Mirror says he has exactly the same issues with his Jawa gas cap. Seems I am not alone.
Wonder what the rev limiter cuts in at???
Thats exactly what i thought as well 🤬🤬🤬 and whats this "gas cap" and "fender" wannabe yank speak?
@@loddude5706 Bit harsh but I tend to agree. Maybe put the camara down to open the fuel cap with both hands if you are not sure how it works.
As for your remarks on performance, mmm.?. I think the engine needs running in first..... only 80 miles on the clock.
So performance will increase? Amazing! - You know it wont improve. Its the BMW Funduro engine with 3BHP less, and the Funduro was awful for performance.
A good honest review. Thank you!
Thank you. It’s upset some and for others enlightened them to the quality control issues ignored by the “influencers” that you can now see in their videos after I’ve pointed them out. Let’s hope BSA up their game.
Thank you for this real world review brother, You just made me love my 2022 Rebel 500 even more than I already did!!!👍
Rebel 500 is a cool motorcycle. Enjoy!
@@MotoTingle That BSA is pretty still pretty cool too brother! Enjoy and Happy New year
@@coilstreeservice9398 Happy New Year to you !
Great review! Thanks!
Great job Alex, it's good to see someone actually review this properly rather than the myriad of nodding 'influencers' who will say anything for a few quid.
I, like so many other people had high hopes for BSA. I truly hope these issues are corrected for later models.
A couple of extra things, I believe the wheels are straight off the Jawa Classic (a 42 derivative), and the Jawa 42 just got a seat update in India due to it being well known for it's lack of comfort.
You can tell this video was not planned. I really wanted a BSA, I really did. Thank you for the input on the wheels
I think people need to adjust their expectations based on the pricing. Royal Enfield have got the formula right. This needs to be a bit cheaper to match the quality, or a bit better quality to match the price.
@@NooBiker It's 6 grand. If you want better quality, buy a Triumph for 10 grand.
@@HalfCrazy520it's 7 grand, you can get an Interceptor got 6 though, and it wouldn't be a piece of shit.
How refreshingly honest, love it, keep it up 👍
Hi Ray. Thank you
Love your humor. GREAT review
Yeah, it went over most peoples heads. Haha!
I wonder if the ECU is programmed to redline at 7000 until the first service and end of the break in mileage.
Nope. The ECU is ancient technology from the dark ages. I’ve looked into it because I’ve worked on a few now. Be nice if manufacturers did this though.
good honest review thank you
I’d like BSA to up their game. I’ve helped 9 owners to get warranty repairs that were initially denied. Headlight lenses rolling off down the roads… crazy issues that really shouldn’t exist. So for all the hate I’ve been given for this video, the my don’t see the work I’ve done to help owners. Gets bad when owners on forums are touting “1,500 trouble free miles”, like you’d never have this with any other brand.
When I saw it at the shows it looked like it was a competitor for RE and that seems to be pretty much where it sits. I've no problem with plastic mudguards if they last as they won't rust, but it looks like the rest of the bike might rust around it. For those of us that have grown up hoping that one day we could own a DBD34, this isn't it. I have no problem with lower powered relaxed bikes for a weekend potter but for my money I'd be looking for a couple of year old Triumph Street Twin or T100 instead. Or if I must have new, an RE Interceptor
I have been a HUGE supporter of BSA and their return. Meeting the motorcycle was a wake up call that the hype around it and the "influencer" led sales pitches need to be taken with a pinch of salt. I look forward to seeing owner reviews and given a years riding, lets see how right or wrong I am.
They are called mudgaurds, not fenders, it's a British bike it's the English language, simple as that...
@@jonathanmeehan4057 it’s an Indian motorcycle. There’s nothing British about its manufacture Sir.
@@MotoTingle I hope you guys maintain the same attitude when it comes to the Royal Enfield brand too, that it is an Indian brand, nothing British about it. Seeing RE success nowadays, all Britishers seems to be scampering to claim a stake on RE heritage. Normal British double standards, eh. 😜
@@MotoTingle haha excellent retort sir!
No option for a centre stand is a major omission in my opinion. Cheap finish also very disappointing
I’m seeing influencers completely ignoring the poor finish. I had hoped for a centre stand also. Boot marks on exhausts, we’re in 2022, not the 1970s. I hope to see owner reviews soon. And fingers crossed this is the only motorcycle affected.
No centre stand really , This is now common place on new motor bikes. Personally I would not entertain looking at a bike without one.
@@dinsdalepiranah1189 Most Royal Enfields have a centre stand. In this segment of the market, it would be considered normal to have one.
@@MotoTingle I think most of them just repeat the manufacturers sales pitch. At least you gave it your honest opinion with a very obvious lack of concern for any future love from the dealer/distributor!
Ummm...I'm sure that challenges like opening the fuel filler cap and removing the seat will be fully explained in the owner's handbook! Or perhaps not...
To be fair, I left the file cap bit in the video for a bit of fun. It really happened but I was so bummed with the way the video was going I wanted to have a little laugh at my own expense. Just to lighten the mood. I’d gone to the dealer that day with the intention to place a deposit. No way is it a £7,200 motorcycle. Paint flicking off onto my jacket was a joke.
I'll keep my RE GT 650. I have a one lunger (Yamaha SR400 kick start only). And three other bikes. I'm 70 so I feel blessed. Fun video.
I was the BIGGEST BSA fan, until I rode one. All the hype from influencers is just sales patter. The boot marks on the exhaust is a real joke in 2022. I’d had saved up ready to buy! When paint started flicking off the handlebar mounts onto my jacket I’d had quite enough. SR400 os pretty cool. You’d of great to continue enjoying your Enfield 650 twin. I may end up with one myself and money left over, lots of money. Cheers!
@@MotoTingle MCs are a disease. I've capped it at 2 classics and one adv. I'm officially on the wagon.
@@sscbkr48 I prefer addiction. It’s a rewarding one though
Moto! Look more carefully. This is actually a Mahindra. It wears borrowed BSA tank badges. It weighs 470 lbs. If you are an experienced motorcyclist this last detail is all you need to know.
And not many big singles will rev much passed 7k rpm. You need to change gear to get the torque on a big single or twin. I'm used to singles and twins. I'd love to test this bike myself .
MIne does 8,900rpm but just to me clear, I was not trying to get to 10,000rpm - I am a bit green on doing reviews, I was wondering why 10,000rpm is shown even though it will never be achieved by the motorcycle. Ill try better next time. Let me know how your test ride goes please! Id would like to hear your thoughts.
@@MotoTingle Every vehicle I have ever known has had clocks that go up higher than the vehicle can actually do, both speed and revs. I will concede that the "red line" is usually clearly indicated and that is a definite oversight. But also, I wouldn't expect a big single to be happy revving past 6000RPM. Maybe the reality is that this simply isnt the bike you want it to be.
@@MotoTingle Where does the rev counter stop on your bike?
@@stevepalmer5670 Depends what motorcycle were talking about. I’ve a ten year old 660 that goes to 8,900rpm. Ducati supermono 10,000 rpm, the engine in the BSA 100% felt like a BMW I once owned, lacking in any kind of charm or power. Funduro. Man, I sold that bike three weeks after purchase.
I've always loved the concept of single cylinder thumpers and had a few: Yamaha SR500, Buell Blast 500, Royal Enfield C5. But the motorcycles that I enjoyed riding were twins: Guzzi 750, Buell XB9S, Honda CL175, Electra-Glide. If I were buying today, I'd first take a test ride on a RE 650, Interceptor or Continental.
RE are great
Hi Norm, Have you ever had a look at the Kawasaki W800. If so, what was your take on the bike? Have a great day!!! Illinois, USA
@@larrywade9041 Yes, and I am impressed at the styling and function of it.
Looks like I can save a couple of thousand dollars by buying a RE 350 Classic. A great looking bike, similar performance and a proven track record. The fact that it has taken a few years of teasing us with promises of being ready to sell any day now, yet they have only been able to send out a few examples to the Dealers as demos so far makes me suspicious of the company. The whiff of Norton is in the air. I’ll be holding onto my money for now.
I am also saving my money. I wen to the dealer to buy and the finish was poor. I have been kind in my video. It also has a severe handling flaw which I and others have experienced. I caught it happen to me on video. Subject of another video though. Some serious BSA fan boys on here with personal attacks. I hope we never see a BSA rider die, it needs to be talked about.
Actually this 650 and RE's 350 do not have similar performance. This bike will do about 100 mph and the 350 will be lucky to do much over 70. This bike will run 70 all day long without straining it at all. The 350 runs easily at around 50. Of course in England on the back roads I guess it doesn't matter.
@@adventuredog7848 I do truly love the coming RE classic. Wish I had one.
It's poor made bike royal Enfield is better
I reckon my Suzuki tu250 would give that castrated mule of a BSA a proper go, eh ?
(nice vid, btw)
I like your style !
Subscribed because of this, need more super real reviews like this. There's no real praises sung by other reviewers cause deep down they know of these issues you've spoken of. Need more reviews!
I never wanted to bash it. I have been a BSA supporter, then I went to buy one and was offered this bike. I am now seeing FB posts from owners having cosmetic and electrical issues. How awful for them.
Awful indeed. If you still manage to get a new bike, do have another honest review on it !👍
@@Zandaia You got it. I cant be bought and I wont sell out to anyone.
For those of you taking the piss out of Alex about the fuel cap, as I waited to ride one the mechanic came out to top up the fuel, it took him ages to get it open....with both hands.
As for the rest he's spot on. Build quality is crap, and performance is poor, my fantic caballero 500 is far superior in all aspects
Spot on review Alex 👌
Read this ⬆️ and learn something folks
@stephen baron my fantic caballero cost £6500 from new better at everything the bsa does, and I'm not just being anti bsa, I went on the test ride fully expecting to place a order and was terribly disappointed
Interesting stuff. The engine outer covers would also look better if they were highly polished, instead of just painted. The fake pushrod tunnel on the right side of the cylinder barrell is a little bit silly, but is part of the retro effect I suppose.
Actually, the Jawa 42 you mentioned is a really nice looking bike, it looks like a single cylinder with twin exhaust ports. I didn't know this model of Jawa existed, so I will take a closer look at them later. But, ignoring the different engines, I don't think the Jawa is really the same basic bike or platform as the new Goldstar. Looking closely I see that the fuel tanks are not the same, the side profiles are different. The frames look different too. The tubing differs, and the headstock of the Goldstar sticks out much further from its frames front down tubes, but the Jawas front down tubes are angled and attached very close to its headstock. They do both appear to use a box section swinging arm though.
I think the original BSA 500cc Goldstars had a tacho with a scale up to 8000 RPM, and I think the engine had a safe mechanical limit of about 7000 RPM.
I have a 1971 BSA 500cc single, and the original factory fitted Smiths tacho scale also goes to 10,000 RPM without a red line marked on it, this engine also has a safe mechanical limit of about 7000 RPM, although in reality it would not really be taken beyond 6000.
But the 1971 BSA Goldstar 250 single I own has a factory fitted tacho with a whopping 12,000 RPM scale, again with no red line marked on it. The engine is designed to run at a max of around 8000-8500 RPM, occasionally, so I definitely do not lend the bike to anyone to go for a quick spin, or they could blast the nuts off the engine to destruction.
Hi Alex, thanks for a honest review of the Goldie, having seen a few reviews of this bike I have had that feeling that the bloggers are not telling you everything. Only one other has mentioned some of the quality issues you mentioned. Keep up the honest reviews.
Hi Paul. I went to the dealer to place my deposit. I was offered a ride, which I gladly accepted and I’m thinking “how old is this bike?” Once I saw the ODO I was like “no way”. Truly I had hoped this was the only motorcycle affected but I’ve been message by so many people saying they noticed it too. Influencers have reach, and they’re job is to chase clicks for income. I watched their videos seeing the same flaws my bike had wondering why they didn’t mention them. But I guess now I know. I’d hate to spend £7,200 to find my bike ages before my eyes. I really did want a BSA. Planning to wait until production in the UK. Cause we’d never let this pass by quality control. Either way, a lot of folk will buy just for the badge. And it will sell. Cheers!
@@MotoTingle If it was produced in the UK, the price would be far higher and then it really wouldnt be competetive.
That was me I guess 😁
@@MindfulMotorcyclist what was you 😂
'only one other has mentioned some of the quality issues you mentioned' - that was me. Like you I was BSA fanboy since MC live 2021 days waiting and getting excited for release. I researched and read everything about the bike, and the brand pre-ordered one but then changed my mind just before I was due to make the down payment. Something didn't feel right, the wait and increasing delivery estimates to be honest was worrying me. Did the test ride and well the rest is history, I'm still riding my Chinese middleweight ADV bike 😁
So you're unhappy because the lube flung off the chain hits the right side of the rim and not the left?
Not at all. I just pointed it out. Pales into nothing compared to the poor welding and paint flaking off, did you see the paint on the fuel filler lip?
@@MotoTingle My mistake, I thought that you said at 3.31 ''this would bug me'' I must have misheard, you probably said ''This wouldn't bother me'' . By the way, Missenden flyer seems to rate the BSA highly against his Interceptor that he's owned for two or three years so you should have a look at it, good, sensible balanced review which I think you'll find instructive. No memes in it though.
@@andrewsaville6975 you mean the guy that spent nearly fifteen thousand pounds ruining a Royal Enfield 660 😂 then took the builder to small claims court. He really says the BSA over the Ruined Royal Enfield 😂 I should hope so too. His RE he hates it so much he took the builder to court.
Love this Alex! The most honest vlog ever BUT that’s how it should be. I enjoy watching the so called ‘influencers’ but most of them can only ride in a straight line and worry more about their next long term loan bike than us consumers. Please do this more - not that anyone will lend you a bike now 🤣
Its true, nobodys letting me near a new motorcycle ever again, HaHa! - saying that, nothing new has disappointment me until now
The radiator does give it a classic look, for a model T Ford. 🤨
It's more modern than a Model T. I reckon they nicked a job lot that should have been on Austin Allegro Brit-crap cars.
@@2ndcornets HaHa!
Excellent review i don't think its ever going to be a DBD34 & i love the Austin 7 radiator to 😂
I hope this is the only motorcycle affected. Quality Control was asleep when this one rolled on by. Austin 7, lol
Refreshing to have an honest review thank you. I would even rate this below an RE, from what I see in the last year RE quality is coming up. Time will tell but your points, stickers on engine won’t last with heat over time. It just looks when you dig into it a little cheap
The fit and finish is there with the Chinese low end bikes. The engine is great! I just hope this is the only motorcycle affected with quality. I really hope it is
@@MotoTingle How can you say the engine is great when the whole time of the review it is always not performing as well as you expect it to?
@@ukbiker1631 The engine is the best bit of the entire motorcycle
Same complaint with Royal Enfield 650: What does one do with the gas cap while refueling? My Honda had a hinged cap so no issue there.
Seeing plenty of scratched BSA tanks online as owners drop the caps. What a shame. My 70s CB750 has a little chain holding the cap to the tank.
Interesting review certainly highlighting some issues that a lot of other regular reviewers/ bloggers on RUclips have missed or chosen to egnore so it keeps the door open for further bike demo loans with the dealers or manufacturer🤫🤫🤫
I am very much aware the door is closed to me now. I went to the dealer to purchase but ended up riding a bike that aged as I rode it. I felt sharing it was better than holding it back, watching people buy their dream bike to find its quite different to the 'influencers' have suggested
I'm just wondering if the rev limiter is adjusted up after first service? probably not as it is a low tec bike. Thanks for the review, I'm more tempted by the CB500 range now.
I checked with three dealers. First service is oil and filter only. No ECU plug in. I just had to know. So there’s a third of the dial that can never be used. I didn’t want to red line it, there was no red line shown. I found it randomly during an overtake, never the best place to find a limit
@@MotoTingle Not indicating the red line on the clocks is a bit of an error by the manufacturer. But the dealer should probably have told you a few basics like that - it is undoubtedly in the user handbook. That said, its a low tech big single and brand new. I would have probably tried to keep it under 5000RPM.
How far do you want a 650 single to rev?
@@stevepalmer5670 wrong question. The question should be “Why isn’t the red line marked on the instruments” or “why do the instruments show many more rpm than the motorcycle is capable of” imagine looking 1/3 of your rev sweep and Speedo…
@@stevepalmer5670 The BMW F650 that the BSA engine is derived from had a redline of 7500, and that was almost 30 years ago. meyby they are being a little over protective.
I really enjoyed this video. It’s felt very much like the world has gone a bit BSA nuts with everyone insisting “it’s amazing… clearly built to a budget”
It was always going to be a budget build bike but it is priced too high for what it is. For me the biggest issue from the start is it just doesnt really look quite right. That radiator is hideous! Folk were blinded by the brand but take that BSA badge off the tank and it looks like what it is - a budget water cooled single.
Brilliant truthful video 🙂👍🇬🇧🏍
You seem to have completely missed the point of the new 650 Gold Star, I mean comparing it with your Yammy XT650, they're completely different bikes, what emissions spec was that made to meet? I have a Euro 5 'Fantic 500 Caballero, yes I have to plan my overtakes and go down a couple of gears, but that's all part of the fun of riding it!
I haven’t missed any points at all. The Goldie was and is a lot of trouble to owners that fall fowl of build quality issues. And yea, it’s as flat as a pancake for performance. I didn’t do this video to hate on BSA, I went to buy one, was offered a test ride and this was my thoughts on it. Agreed, emission standards have changed. For me it was the instant realisation just coming out of the dealer that it has so much less power than an XT660 that I needed to mention it. But in no way am I’m expecting the 660 Goldie to wheelie or anything daft. So glad I didn’t buy one blind like most first purchasers did. Did you know there’s a 1.1 version but BSA are not talking about it as they are trying to clear all the first gen bikes
The 10,000 rpm tacho thing is a straight take from the original British Smiths tacho which rarely had a redline marked, and often went to 10k. Those engines didn't have a rev limiter as such, just valve bounce and then blow-up!
Are you sure about what you’ve just said? It’s a Jawa 42 rev counter that hasn’t been altered apart from a BSA logo printed on it. Nice story though.
I still think it's a good-looking bike built on a low budget. The exhaust needs a guard where the boot marks are, perhaps that will happen? More disturbing for me is the misaligned frame welds 1:07 above the exhaust which you've shown on Twitter.
Looking forward to seeing an owner review of one who uses it to commute all year. Long-term durability is the biggest unknown.
I am totally with this. Wanted BSA Gold Star to be the beginning of something great. I have contacted Harris Performance to see if they build the frames or not (attached photos)
@Moto Tingle I just watched another BSA vid from The All Year Motorcyclist and the frame looked the same on that bike.
@@Banditmanuk On no. I really hoped it was limited to just this motorcycle
I counted 5 separate pieces of tube holding the rear foot rest on, poorly welded. Why you would do that I'm not sure.
@@dinsdalepiranah1189 why couldn’t the tube just be bent? It makes no sense to me.
Should be a twin .don't like down pipe.dont like radiator.and fuel tank is not great at the seams looks a bit royal Enfield bullet.for money not bad but I feel interceptor is better bike epically the twin cylinder
So, does it do 100 mph or not?, from what I see on this and other videos, it looks like 85-90 mph might be about all your going to get. I haven't had a bike that won't easily do the ton since I was a spotty teenager, and that was a very long time ago, can't see myself slowing down that much any time soon so a nope from me.
To be fair. I don’t think it does without beating the loving hell out of it. It’s sold by BSA as “a true 100mph motorcycle” I found it at 70mph was out of puff. I’m if you open the throttle nothing happens, it’s all just momentum. I’d expect 80mph but you’ll work hard at maintaining it
I like an honest review. The bike has non of the carryover kudos of the original Goldie. Imagine riding a Goldie back in the day and thinking it wouldn't pull the dick off a chocolate mouse, I don't think so. Any one of REs bargain basement offerings would be a better bike.
I wasn’t into RE that much before. Now I can see the difference RE are back on my radar
Will never forget seeing the rear end squirm when Henry Cole had one on his TV show.
Ah ha! Someone that noticed it’s handling flaw. Watch this space. BSA will recall the rear suspension like that legally absolves them. I’m sure it’s swing arm flex. It happened to me and I thought I was going to die
Thx for the honest review, I keep my T100 for sure. Indeed O...M....G 👍👍
T100 is a really nice motorcycle.
It is not a good looking bike compared to the RE (any model). I'm pretty sure my Kwaka Versys x300 would blow it away (a twin but 1/2 capacity). I think it's a desperate attempt to cash in on the retro trend & only die-hards will buy it. Good vid.
Thank you. It’s got many admirers, I believe the RE looks more “authentic” BSA having a final drive cover in the shape of an old gearbox is a pure styling exercise.
@@MotoTingle Its the big ugly radiator that kills it for me. If RE can make a Euro compliant air cooled engine, there really is no excuse for this monstrosity. What does the BSA bring to the table except that badge?
The handling problem is absolutely caused by the cheap pirelli tires! I don't trust Brazilian tires and I never will. They came on my interceptor 650 and right after I replaced the seat the tires went! No wobble, stopped pulling to the right, absolutely caused by the garbage tires.
I’m convinced there’s swing arm flex also. Seeing a second gen bike in a few weeks that may show signs of strengthening. Let’s see
The clock needles were naf on the NEC bikes over a year ago, they really needed improvment
Gold Star £6,500
Meteor £4.139
Both are full size motorcycles and the Meteor is a single just like the Gold Star, just with a smaller piston yet it's £2361 cheaper?
Think I'll stick with my Interceptor and maybe buy a Meteor for fun.
Agreed. Plus you can’t buy a BSA for £6,500 - It’s £6.800, they add £300 in that £300 extra £165 of that is delivery to the dealership. Who’s ever heard of paying for delivery to your dealer?
@@MotoTingle It is overpriced for sure. Should be a good bit cheaper than the RE 650 if it wants to be a genuine contender for the market beyond BSA badge-fans.
Funny how views of a bike differ. My personal opinion of the one I looked at and rode from Moore Speed Racing in Poole is that it exceeded my expectations. My present bikes are a Kawasaki 650 Versys twin, a custom 70s Honda CB 550 four and two BSA 350cc B31s.
When the Indian BSA was announced I thought that a 650 cc modern single should have the potential for an interesting bike so when they became available for a test ride I took the opportunity.
I was surprised how it pulled so easily and seemed much more than the 45 hp suggested. Gearing was good, throttle response had no issues. Brakes and handling very good. Riding position was fine and I found the seat very comfortable especially compared to my other bikes but did notice the wide seat on my inner thighs when stoped in traffic.
Overtakes were no problem on normal A road traffic and a quick twist to 85 was easy but it’s a naked bike so anything above 70 mph is uncomfortable on any naked bike of any cc.
This bike I thought was superb for the type of riding I’m sure it is aimed at.
Looking round the bike sure you could get picky with odd details but overall for the price point very nice.
I was happy to order one in Highland Green and look forward to what I think will be a great motorcycle.
That is really nice to read. I hope you'll share your ownership experience on youtube as it will be nice to see, all the best. Alex
I also had a test ride on a demo bike. I found it to be a great bike with enough real world performance for me. I particularly enjoyed it's willingness to pull from low revs. I don't understand most of the negativity from the chap on the video, it's as though he has some sort of vendetta against BSA. Bike ordered, can't wait for it to arrive.
@@stuartbeech3875 the guy in the video is me. I went to order my BSA and was offered a test ride. The video is a true depiction of my ride. I really wanted a BSA but however my test bike was, total Friday job
Appears to be built in the same way a lot of English bikes were thrown together. Back when a British bike industry existed. For the price, considering what else is available for the money, not competitive.
I really wanted a BSA, but no longer impressed. There is a long line of folk ready to buy it. I've stepped out of their way
Ok I have an RE Meteor and apart from the top speed being restricted which im sure will be put right by a re map in the fairly near future i have no complaints about welding or overall finish and an occasional clean is enough to keep it looking good, i have no paint issues and the finish is generally tougher than it looks, for less than 4 g’s i have no issue with the very good switch gear
Right now, I’d totally have a RE over a BSA. I’m hoping BSA up their game in the future. Looks like the early adopters of this brand all get poor finish.
Thanks for your review it's what I would look for there's a couple or more things I would change on the bike If I bought one. Maybe I'll wait and see. I was not impressed with the performance. Very nice looking bike but it's got to go when I want it to.
I know its not a race bike. Bit its no "big thumping single". Its calm and mellow. If you've ridden a BMW 650 Funduro, same power delivery, just the BM
My BSA441 Shooting 🌠 will show it 's tail light to that bike any day of the week.
In contrast to the Royal Enfield Interceptor, these appear to be complete trash. Thank you for your honesty.
I was planning to buy a BSA and was offered a test ride. A lot of RUclipsrs did their own and slagged me off saying I have alternative motives. I just wanted to show what I was given.
Laser etched or embossed replacements would "sell like hot cakes". The stickers are disappointing. Maybe I'll go find a Meriden triumph twin instead.
Thanks for being so honest in your review. It’s a pity Mahindra have chosen not to export the Goldstar to Australia because I love thumpers.
You’ll get them next year I’m told. It’s no thumper. The engines from the BMW Funduro and look how many issues that bike had. I’ll get one soon and show you all life with a BSA in all its failings
Can you do a review on interceptor Royalenfield
Noboby mentions whether the silencer can be changed? It looks welded to the exhaust pipe?
True. I talked to two UK exhaust manufacturers and they both intend to make exhausts with no cat
@@MotoTingle Oh well done! Will that therefore have to include the exhaust pipe?
@@lauriebloggs8391 yes, full systems. Watch out for Black Widow and Pipe Werx
@@MotoTingle Will do!! Interesting Stuff!!
Great review good to see some honesty i was thinking about treating myself was going to wait and see what build quality was like after a year. I have bought some Indian parts for my BSA's and the quality was shocking. I think I will just stick to my originals.
Hi Alan, I like you also saved up. I was not expecting world class, well you’ve seen my thoughts and the reality of the quality the “influencers” have led us to believe. I really wanted a BSA. But I’m not desperate for the badge vs poor finish. I’ll spend my money elsewhere
I've spoken to several people in the past who ride enfields, I've commented on the cheap build quality and poor handling etc and they invariably say the same thing, change the shocks, change the tyres, change the air filter. Or alternatively instead of throwing loads of money at it to make it into a different bike just buy a better bike to start with!
No dealers for these in the states. The clutch in my old Enfield took a dump so im looking for another underpowered, overpriced replacement. Tired of being manhandled by my 100hp Harley Nightster. Where are the 441 Victors and 500 gold stars, firebird scramblers, Hornets and lightnings. When you need them? The 500 Gold Star was the greatest bike of its time. Why did they change it?😢 ride safe!
Wont be long till BSA hit stateside. And when they do, I hope you’ll come back and let me know your thoughts! Ride safe!
Ref. the sales figures, the biggest segment of the 2022 Indian market was Hero (the wholly Indian owned Honda subsidiary), although all Japanese companies do have a relatively healthy share...as do Idian companies like TVS, Bajaj and Royal Enfield. As for the new Gold Star, I share your reservations - I certainly wouldn't be willing to fork out £7,200 for one. I run a Benelli Imperiale 400 that, whilst it is of smaller capacity and, admittedly, offers far less outright performance, substantially gives you the same big single riding experience as the Gold Star (as would a Royal Enfield 350 Classic, Meteor or Hunter...or, even more, if you could find a good one, the older RE 500 Classic) -- and that is irrespective of the very considerable price differences!
I'm with you
Hi, good video, after watching this video, I am happy that I restored a 1980 Kawasaki z650 SR recently, it has 62hp inline 4 cylinder, weight is similar, and probably handles similar, really are newer motorcycles of this type any better.
80s Z650 is an epic motorcycle. I just fixed up a 90s Zephyr and it’s really good to ride. Modern motorcycles have environmental restrictions and it really does ruin them.
Them old uns don’t half sup the fuel though. 4 cylinder? Might as well be a car (joke)
@@mattdog1982 I’ve a 70s CB750 and it’s real nice on fuel, lovely to ride and it’s paint Is not falling off even though it’s 45 years old, haha!
Comparing an inline 4 to a big single (of any age) is bit apples and oranges.
I had a 1980 Z650 for about 10 yrs, handled like a piece of shit & had no brakes. Apart from acceleration my RE Interceptor 650 is a better bike in every other way.
The Jawa has the petrol cap in the middle. The Goldstar is offfset to the right. Same tank?
Same tank, yes. Sorry, I should have mentioned the filler hole punched in a different location during construction of the tank. Apologies
@@MotoTingle So really is the same tank. Great video by the way. A bit of honesty at last. I’ve subscribed, cheers.
@@nploates Thanks. I have a lot more video as I’ve been lent the bike again! The dealer agrees that honesty is best
@@MotoTingle Maybe the dealer knows these are in short supply so is hoping you will encourage people to buy something else he stocks instead!
@@ukbiker1631 I was told “it’s only £7k so people don’t mind if it’s good or bad” I was staggered at such an expression.
Great review. You pointed out things that other BSA Gold Star video reviews have not, like the stickers on the engine, the rev limiter and the cheap feel of the buttons. With technology today it doesn't seem like it wouldn't be that hard to laser engrave the 3 guns and BSA on the engine parts. I don't mind the bronze header pipe, especially if that means it won't turn blue. Not a fan of blueing pipes. I see so many modern Triumphs with dark blue headers. Some folks will say if the headers aren't blue it means you're not riding it, but I have a 64 Triumph 650 as my daily rider and the header pipes have not turned blue. They have a little hint of a gold hue near where they go into the engine, but no blue... yet.
Cheers Dave. I’ve had lots of positive feedback and few loons. The stickers are cheap tat. Having BSA embossed would have been far superior. Now they have used stickers, no future batch will get embossed or precious gen owners will be unhappy. It’s an okay motorcycle, very overpriced for what you get. You gotta really want the badge. Like you, the bronzing on the exhaust is nice.
Bronzing like that is usually a sign of stainless steel construction which is a good thing. It doesnt necessarily mean that you wont also get blueing if there is a hot point on the exhaust (usually at the first bend).
Nice looking bike but def pass. Classic 500, sup Meteor yes please.
Totally
The Mirrors simply needed rotating a good few degrees through the vertical plane to make them sit higher. This would likely also allow more adjustment for a better rear view.
I've just test ridden one of these for a good two hours and found it to be a really nice bike for the money.
Whats nice is when I rotated the mirrors they pointed at the sky. The dealer admitted they were incorrectly set. Make sure you do some videos if you buy one. Really want to see them improve!
I had a carb t100 plastic guards, rusting rims, fogging gauges, chain on the righthanside, 140km before reserve, 2nd gear issues, shit suspension and seat and they sold really well...... Ever owned one of these??
I have ridden one but not owned. Fogging Gauges would do my head in. Had this with a Husquvarna Nuda R.
I think I will wait a couple of years until things are sorted out.
I am still seeing posts from new owners in Europe with stalling issues and low oil pressure leading to head rebuilds. How are they still selling bikes that haven’t been updated? It’s beyond me
@@MotoTingle Keeping with traditions from the wsixies and early seventies.
Think i will keep my Interceptor. RE did there homework before releasing the Interceptor I dont think BSA have! Cheers from Australia.
Interceptor is well trusted and as you said RE did their homework. There’s influencers riding this exact same motorcycle as free I rode it, each of them completely missed all the flaws I have pointed out.
I don't think anyone would be trying to remove the fuel cap with one hand.
Not a single person in the whole world. Man, that makes me look so foolish. (Tried it on all my other bikes and all the caps came off nicely) nobody worried about the cracked paint around the mouth of the cap? Just me then. That’s why I didn’t place a deposit that day. To be fair, I left the cap video in to add some humor as the bike was such a let down. I hated editing the video, I disliked the lack of quality control on this motorcycle. £7,200 and I’m looking to spend it elsewhere
@@MotoTingle RE will happily take your money and put a far bigger smile on your face. It will still be flawed - but in a way you can live with.
perhaps you can change the rev limiter once the bikes run in, I change mine from 7,000 revs to 10,000
I did look into this. I contacted four dealers, all of which said no diagnostic work takes place at first service.
Mine has the same problem with the cap . Its being returned to the dealer tomorrow with a gearchange problem . Finish is not good , little bit of salt and the zinc stained on the spokes in minutes .
The grief I got for showing the fuel cap clip was insane. I copped so much hate from people for showing the truth. I don’t hate BSA. My video stands as testament to the bike I was given. I’ve heard of the spoke corrosion issue also I hope your dealer looks after you!
@Moto Tingle Thanks , it's a weird phenomenon isn't it ! People hold a bike up like the holy grail and get well butt hurt if you dare to point out faults .
@@xfire7 Tell me about it. I see anyone on the forums having an issue instantly jumped on by a multitude of owners talking the poster not to tarnish the brand. I may get one in a few years, just something to potter around on. But I’m worried what condition they will be in by then
What`s the point of a 10 K rev counter and 130 MPH speedo? Build quality HMM?Footrest position = crap.Not for me I`m afraid.Henry Cole was not keen,says it all really.
Henry Cole wasn’t as vocal as I am 😂
Performance-wise. Nobody has mentioned that it lacked power when considering it's target market 🤔. I wonder how it compares back-to-back with the Interceptor and if you'd find that lacking too under the same conditions? My local dealer has both RE and the BSA franchises so I'll be able to test both 👍
Excellent. Would love to hear your thoughts after you have ridden both. My take is you have to “work” the BSA much harder than you ever would a RE650. I have ridden both and the handling flaw the BSA has which I will show in another video. Invalidates it as a purchasable motorcycle for me. In this day and age, boots marking exhausts and poor finish are not acceptable. I’d be happy as Larry on a RE650 knowing it’s not going to randomly kick the rear end out from under me. I pray they look to resolve it.
@@MotoTingle yeah boot marks from the soles melting on the exaust is unacceptable today. Reminds me of my 1940s triumph 500 single .
@@rickydee5863 tell me about it. It’s the modern age. Basic stuff like this should be dialled out. But in this case, not
@@MotoTingle yrah haveing seen lots of review on this bike.they missed the msrk for those of us who have owned old school bikes .its kinda sad to see what they put out with the BSA badge .. But hey im not their target market.
@@rickydee5863 same
A different take on the bike I will say 😊. I would say your Yamaha isn’t as constrained by Euro 5 regs and benefits greatly from that. A lot of valid criticisms but are you testing for what it isn’t rather than what it is? I have a fuel cap like that on one of my cars, it is a common enough design and not hard to fathom for most 🙄. It will be very interesting to see if this bike can prove itself with owners in the new year but I suspect we will be well into the summer before we see a lot of high mileage experience. It’s possible they took the revs out to 10k on the clocks to match the relative positions of the needles in 5th? That front wheel mark could of been from a puncture repair maybe. It’s looks great though and I think it will sell if they can actually produce them😮.
I agree with everything you have said.
You actually confirmed all my thoughts after my initial review ;) Well, it looks it's not any better than I said it will... Good that someone said how it really looks like other than all those oh's and ah's ;) chers mate
Cheers. I don’t hate the BSA but influencers shouldn’t tell us somethings good and forget to show us up close with it. Had a lot of folk contact me saying their demo bikes were the same. I hope BSA up their game
@@MotoTingle I don't hate it either. I wish them well and hope one day there'll be another good bike on the market.
@@UncleLongbeard 100%
I own Jawa 42 and I see your bsa goldstar and I noticed many things are same in both bike like fuel cap fuel tank even though seat front forks most of things are similar but BSA looks more attractive
I agree. The new BSA looks great
Gas cap they run on gas ?
My family is from the USA. I am sorry. Seems I am doing a lot of saying sorry recently, lol - everyone's got something that upsets them, TeeHee
Great. We've had all the 'its amazing' reviews from those trying to ingratiate themselves with the manufacturer, now we've started to get the clickbait 'oh no, it's rubbish, watch to the end' reviews. Sigh.
The biggest mistake RUclips ever made was making the dislike count invisible but hey, can't reduce the ad revenue eh? 🙄
My account is not monitized. I didn’t make my video for anything other than I went to buy a BSA. It was supposed to be my purchase day.
@@MotoTingle I apologise in that case for jumping to the wrong conclusion and I'm sorry it didn't turn out as you'd hoped. I had the same experience some years ago when I went for a Tracer900. :(
@@tonyparker7356 it’s a mixed bag. I was as you can tell disappointed with the quality control on this BSA. I’ll be sure to look in on them in the future, see if they have upped their game! Happy New Year.
Got to remember it's a tight engine. It will be down on the power. Aftermarket pipe decat and remap should improve performance to
Great review Al, it’s a bit cheap looking isn’t it? Shame, I was looking forward to the BSA. The build quality looks really bad.
I was there to place a deposit. I’ve followed BSA and been so looking forward to the motorcycle. I hope the issues shown only affect this one machine. I really do.
I don't care if it is based on another bike but from your pictures it looks like about 20% is shared with the Jawa 42 - probably the forks, headlight, electics, wiring loom and speedo, maybe the tank.
The frame is very different. At the front the BSA has an unpleasant curve forward above the radiator where it should be straight tubes. The Jawa engine is sloped forwards - all the cylinder head, crank and gearbox castings look different, The exhaust and capacity are very different from the Jawa, The gas flow and internal architecture may well be similar, obviously the side panels, wheels and exhaust pipes are different.
Pity to waste so much of your review on this point the new BSA "gold star" has as much in common with a Benelli Imperiale, a Royal Enfield himalayan, a Yamaha SR400 etc.
I think it has more Jawa in it than you realise. The engine is not shared as it’s a Rotax unit as used in the BMW 650 Funduro. It’s got so much Jawa in it that my bike ages I front of me as I rode it. Let’s both watch owner videos as they take delivery and put on the miles. I hope everything I have shown is related just to this one motorcycle. Also read the description for flaws I have not included in this video but might in the next… it’s all about educating potential buyers. This is 2022 not 1977
There's the rub! A modern interpretation of an old, fast, temperamental classic bike that is nothing like the original - except at first glance. Thanks for an honest opinion, as I'm probably not the only one who has my doubts. Norton, anyone??
Trading under other company’s names and confidentially continuing to build and sell them under another company’s name shows their business style www.bikewale.com/news/karnataka-hc-restrains-classic-legends-from-using-the-yezdi-name/
7000rpm for a big single is 'poor'? Sorry Alex, this review just shows although you have the Yamaha (great motor, I did a lot of km's on an early Tenere 660 (1990's). You are revving instead of torque surfing, that's what a big single is supposed to be for. That Rotax motor design has proven itself in the BMW & Aprillia singles. The thing I'd agree with you 100% is it looks like it;s a country lane cruiser/scratcher, and torque surfing that 650 single will be rewarding. I've owned a lot of Japanese bikes and regardless of the 'lower power' vibes, thump, slower revving design, I love my Moto Guzzi, it's a perfect back road cruiser/scratcher. The Beezer fits into the 'learner/restricted' licence systems, and i'm sure later on there'll be either easy tuning info, or a higher spec motor in the offing.
As an afterthought... I also have a suzuki C50T as my 'everyday bike' 240kg, 50bhp, 46ft lbs...it would be just like your thoughts on the Beezer, you have to plan overtaking, anything over 70mph you can feel the motor is revving and really, nothing much more to give... you simply adjust your riding to the bikes ability and enjoy it's individual performance.
I love this comment! Thanks for chipping in. I had the 1800cc Suzuki and though it was a great motorcycle to ride. On the BSA front, I get torque surfing, I really do. The Gold Star I rode felt underpowered and the brand new bike I rode was in a very poor state of finish, as many owners have contacted me and exclaimed their issues with fit and finish with no help with warranty. My aim this day was to buy a BSA Gold Star, after I had met this red one, my decision changed. There is also a long list of issues from trapped wiring looms, top end rebuilds due to low oil pressure, gearbox internals replaced, split oil tanks and what were now terming 'swing arm flex' which had had a few owners into tank slappers. So very pleased to see BSA have made some alterations to the headlight lens to alleviate them smashing. I am looking forward to noting any improvements when I visit the BSA stand at the NEC in two weeks.
Maybe i shood start looking for a Original BSA Lightning???
Your rev limiter has extra scope becausr the bike come detuned to meet regulations. Of course performance upgrades and re mapping can be done. You've heard of stage 1,2, 3,4 haven't you?.
I prefer a Monza style fuel cap personally.
I like the look of the BSA over all i think they did a fair job. Its a Ton Up bike im sure with free flowing pipes, A booster enrichner plug and a free flowing air filter by DNA or similar?.
It has handling issues I haven’t included in this video. Give it more power and if you’ve watched my video, we’ll see dangerous results. The chassis/swingarm has flex. Stage 2 will be dangerous.
Il be testing one in January not gonna say much about this review
We’ll see if what you say stacks up
Yes we need both sides of coin
The more experiences on this bike the better
I know people who have tested it and they loved it 😊
Il have a bash at it
All the best for Xmas 🎄
I have subbed to your RUclips channel. Id be interested in your review and opinion! I dont hate the motorcycle. It rides fine. The finish was poor on this one.
No worries thanks
We need as many quirky or non quirky or top notch reviews anyway then at least we know what we’re looking at,
It did sound like you actually liked it I got that 😊
I shall be checking your comments out anyway just in case especially the exhaust and the fuel gauge
Obviously I am a fan of the machine but hey it’s worth checking out 😊😊
Really excellent video as usual. Totally honest but unlikely to endear you to the manufacturer.
They don’t care. It’s a third party Social Media company they use, it’s all preloaded posts so far. I’ve followed BSA from the first moment I saw their motorcycles at Motorcycle Live 2021. I really hope everything I have pointed out is just this motorcycle. Although I just watch some other guy riding this exact bike saying how epic it is. So that’s weird. He’s even got the burnt boot marks on the exhaust and flaking paint. It’s the strange world, influencers. Let’s hope BSA up their game.
Birmingham Small Arms....or...Mahendra? Paint didnt come off new British Beezers in the old days, no plastic. Dont want an indian Harley, Triumph or BSA. might as well buy a Royal Enfield but they're priced like Rolls-Royce s in the states. WOE IS ME!
I believe you. I’ve heard it tile and time again that Indian bikes are big money in the USA. Over here, Royal Enfield are affordable. I’d love to ship some over but container prices are mega!
Center stand option? Doesn't come with one...
Hey bro, great review, you got the chops to bring the straight truth to those who don't want to spend money on the wrong bike!
Hi Drew. If what I rode was from China and was £5,650 everything would be totally fine. But it’s advertised as a premium product with exhausted influencers telling us it’s “watchmaker quality” and “premium”. My jacket has little bits of paint on it. My boots were melted by the exhaust! Haha! Welcome to 2023. Cheers!
So how would you compare it with the Royal enfield interceptor? The influencers say the BSA is better quality but I looked at both in the showroom and still prefer RE
Hi Tim. Personally I would buy a Royal Enfield right now. Mark my words, when the BSAs are made in the UK 🇬🇧 they will have a great fit and finish. But anyone saying paint flaking off onto my jacket as I rode, putting on the frame, misaligned welds, and a very frighting handling issue which I recorded happening and have not added to this video. Influencers are paid by clicks or whatever. Tim, I went to my dealer to buy a Gold ⭐️ and was offered a ride. I’ve bugged this brand up and now regret my decision. I’m a retired motorcycle mechanic. I calculated £1,500 to make rectifications. I guess most owners will be happy with a BSA badge nomatter what quality. I realise my video style isn’t to everyone’s taste but I wasn’t out to knock the BSA. I was out to buy one! And the test ride was below average. Global demand says they will sell like crazy. Time will show unhappy owners uploading videos of poor finish and dealers that are helpless to rectify “cosmetic issues”. In other news, I found a nice RE 650 for £4,500 with 2,500 miles on the clock and it looks like new. I know where my moneys going.
@Moto Tingle Hi thanks it makes me feel better, I picked up my brand new interceptor mid November after a decent test ride, I owned a fzs600 for 5 years but 95% of my previous bikes have been twins. I thought that buying into a bike with half the power would be a huge step down but in reality I'm having a lot more fun. When the BSA was announced I did think I should have waited and test rode one and after watching some videos thought I might have bought the wrong bike but then seeing one in the flesh it looks too much like a cheap Chinese 125 but a bit bigger. Have you test rode the royal enfield yet? I rode both the current 650s and found interceptor seat awful but the continental seat was ok so bought the continental seat for £60 and have perfection
@@timsnaden8937 I had saved up to buy a BSA but 5mins into the ride I started to realise it wasn’t characterful like a RE and the BSA quality is shameful. I now have a RE in my watch list. As far as BSA are concerned, I’ll wait to see if they ever make them in the UK. You just know quality will be night and day, we wouldn’t let that past Quality Control. So I’ll pickup a RE and wait to see if BSA sort themselves out. Lower powered motorcycles are more fun! You are so right on that. I have powerful machines but I can explore them like my 47bhp Yamaha. Plus it’s 10 years old and none of the paint was flaking off onto my jacket, haha! Enjoy your lovely Royal Enfield
Spot on 👍
Cheers. It was not the video I wanted to make. I just rode and talked and became more and more aware the motorcycle was spitting little pieces of paint onto my jacket. To which I gave up thinking about a deposit
Have you been riding long?
Let’s see your Amazing BSA video… I’ll wait.
I have a Jawa 300,the chassis is not what you think, yes it must have shared most of the switch gear and electronics, but the chassis is much bigger in BSA
the chassis is made by royal enfield under the name "Harris" which is not the UK chassis builder
@MotoTingle no Sir, please check and clarify your confusion. Mahindra is building its own chassis separately for Jawa and BSA. They have a huge facility in India where the Chassis are fabricated for Jawa, and it's giving pretty hard time to RE in India.
@@MOTOFLIXGARAGE That explains the poor welding. Check the passenger footpeg tubular mount, made in three pieces and the jig was clearly off as the center piece is mis-aligned. Thanks for the clarification!
@MotoTingle I don't see any such thing in my Jawa. It's a mass-produced bike not a prototype.
@@MOTOFLIXGARAGE I loved the Jawa 2Strokes that made it over here. Really fun motorcycles,
The original Gold Star was a street legal race bike, a horrible thing to commute London's wet streets on (but I had a mate who did just that back in the sixties). This new bike is no race bike, in fact I'm at a loss to know what it's intended for. I'll stick with my RE GT 650 twin, also no race bike but fast enough for me, very smooth and very pretty (but even after removing 23kg of excess weight still too heavy).
23Kg you have removed! That is impressive. I saved like mad to buy a BSA Gold Star, saving everywhere I could. Then went to the dealer to do the deal, got a test ride. Ill buy a Re650 and save money plus not have to deal with a handling issues others and I have experienced but no influencers are mentioning.
If you are realistic about performance and not trying to make unfair comparisons to a modern tech 600/650 jap bike or similar, the RE 650 is a great bike, far better looking IMHO than this BSA and significantly better value. Inevitably, the RE is the BSA's main rival and I really do think that BSA need to lower their prices to a decent bit below the RE 650s if they are going to compete beyond the first few deliveries to buyers who just want the BSA badge.
@@ukbiker1631 I’m compared performance it to a 10+ year old Yamaha 660. That’s got an engine from the 1980s