The 400 Meter Debate | Tony Holler vs. Ryan Banta (Part 3)
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Today's video is the conclusion (part 3) of a debate between Tony Holler and Ryan Banta on how to coach and train athletes for the 400m and become a better sprinter in the process. Part 1 and 2 can be found below:
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"Only dead fish swim with the current."
Thanks for watching, and I'll see you on the next one!
Both you guys have great ideas, but most of all have respectful dialog from very different vantage points...a very rare thing these days. Thanks!
That’s a terrific compliment. Thank you.
@@coachtonyholler You are quite welcome. To expand a bit, I will say that while I lean in the political direction of one of you, I prefer the training program of the other, and I feel 100% unconflicted about that ;)
@@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 You are not a democratic socialist? 😉
@@coachtonyholler Let's focus on the positive: I, like both of you, am also an "out of the box" thinker :) Kum-bay-f-ing-yah, baby!
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Great series. I'm a track coach in northern California. Just made 40 last year and this is my 18th year coaching. Salute to all of you, especially you Tony
Thank you!
@@coachtonyholler Do you believe in "peaking"?
Me and my son had a great session Wednesday. He ran a 1.02 10m fly and I managed a 1.10 at 43yo (feeling it now 😆) Matthew 21.93mph me 20.33mph.
Got another 3x30m tomo I'm so looking forward to it.
His first races are on Tuesday at an open he's running the 100m and 400m (not run any lactic sessions yet want him to last until september). But his favourite event is the 200m.
I am recording it and posting to you tube.
FTC is across the pond now 👍
Thanks mate!
@@coachtonyholler Matt ran a 3.13 30m fly today last 10m timed at 1.00 - 3 times were very consistent 3.18, 3.13 and 3.15 I`m amazed how quickly he has responded to the training.
He was 3.3`s when we started to freelap time them.
Meeting tomo 100m and 400m. Get some base times to work from.
Hey Tony,
It was great to see the different philosophies of successful coaches here, really a big eye-opener. This is Vinny, I left a comment on another one of your videos. I'm a former Division I All-American sprint swimmer and I now do track as a hobby at 27. I'm implementing more and more of your training and general principals into my own regimen and am seeing a lot of results through experimentation, trial and error. The two sports (swimming and track) are so similar on the surface, yet so different when you really get down to elite-level preparation. I'd love to do a video/webinar conference with you and share what I've learned through the two sports and how Feed the cats has helped me improve the last few months. Let me know if you have an opening and best of luck this spring with your season!
Sure, I would like that!
@@coachtonyholler Great! Wednesday or Thursday good for you this coming week? I’m Taking off work Wednesday through Saturday this week to visit some family and will have some free time.
@@vtafuto77 Wednesday and Thursday both work. I have practice at 2:00 Thursday. Wednesday wide open. 630-849-8294
I've built my training plan based off both of Vince, ,Ryan and Tony's materials. I use Tony's speed training methods with my younger kids and it works. Our speed and GSSE sessions are based of 6 - 23 seconds sprints and wicket. All the kids are different but they received the same work physically.
Great stuff. Banta has an incredible mind and I applaud him for his system, as results are results. However, I don't see how Tony's method of training kids for the 400 would be suboptimal for someone with the "wrong" genetics or personality type. I say this because the vast majority of kids like playing and chasing one another in fast, short spurts, AKA FTC type "natural" training. I don't think many little kids naturally like long, slow, drawn out exercise like tempo runs or running miles (maybe it's their attention span)
Cats don’t jog! 🙂
Thanks for the positive words. We dont run miles with sprinters. But loads can eventually accumulate over the totally of all the modalities
Low equipment, low modalities, but lots of competition and lots of going fast often….Jamaica is comparatively spartan next the USA but look at their sprint dominance
Tony, why are you not a Master's sprinter? You used to be a beast 400m runner and now have the recipe to love and excel in track! USATF is calling your name haha
I’m 63.
Great stuff!
Ryan is passionate but really complicated I think...either way, such a great discussion!
Ryan is a good coach and good guy. But, are very different.
I'm a 9th grade 400m runner last year in 8th grade I ran a 59.64 but I'm trying to get to 55 to 56 this year any tips my fastest 200m split time for my 400 was 24.5 last year.
If you can split 24.5 in the first 200, you should absolutely be able to split no worse than 27.5 in the 2nd 200 for an overall time of 52.0.
Great video Coach. Prior to a speed day or x-factor day, do your kids do any stretching before or after those workouts?
No stretching. Stretched rubber bands don't shoot as far.
I love a good debate where no hard feeling are caused after. As a track coach, I'm so sick of people being offended if they don't get what they want or if they don't agree. BTW, I love the ideas, but I'm team Tony haha
Thanks Tyson!
What would coaches want 400m athletes to do over the summer? For those willing to do workouts, technique work, lifting, etc. over break.
Singular focus on improving max speed and power. If competing, need to mix in lactate work. However, lactate work interferes with speed gains. We see the biggest speed gains when we aren’t concerned with sprint capacity and acidosis tolerance.
@@coachtonyholler I see. So you would recommend solely doing speed workouts on the track? Or mix in lifting for power/explosiveness in addition to running? (not competing over summer) Thanks for the response!
@@AndrewPick6 Speed and X-Factor 45-60 minutes. Follow it with the weight room on same day. Keep changing up the speed metrics. If not competing, do a lactate workout every 2-3 weeks.
@@coachtonyholler Got it. Thank you!
Sir what to do if l have to run 200 m and 400m in season and it is 1 month away , I followed your off season training schedule but now I don't have a track , I did my off season training in a small grass park , what to do now in the absence of a track
A month before competing in the 200 and 400, you need to incorporate one lactate workout per week... 23 second drill is a great place to start.
@@coachtonyholler thank you sir
My daughter is 13 and PR is 13.55 in 100m 1:04.95 in 400m
We want to get her to :57 this season. What 100m mark do you think that will take?
13.0 in 100m, 26.0 in 200 is required to run 56-57. trackfootballconsortium.com/the-4x4-team-predictor/
@@coachtonyholler thanks! As she approaches 13 flat what workouts recommended to sprint further? Your lactate workouts?
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Coach is this even applicable to college athletes
Sure it is.
@@coachtonyholler 👍👍
Coach can i do 100m and 400m at meet instead of 200m and 400m
Why not?
@@coachtonyholler thank you for the proper guidance
@37:43 2000m of Special speed endurance II? and maintaining the quality? HOW?
This blows my mind too!
@@coachtonyholler maybe his definition of SSE II is different?
@@jujumen Correct. Or it may be that he was taught differently. If you take USATF certification courses, you start using terms like SSE II like it’s gospel. I’ve never taken those courses and have never typed SSE II until just now! 🙂
@@coachtonyholler 😀 Terminologies are good for communication provided the definitions are agreed upon. I'm sure regardless of what anyone was taught once you get out there and watch your athletes get run into the ground doing 2000m of speed endurance 1 or 2 you will have to realize you got something wrong. Even 900m of speed work maintaining quality seems like a big stretch. If ! get 300m - 400m of speed work (40m - 60m... 30m flys etc ) out my athletes (after prep acc and wickets) I'll count that as a solid exceptional day. BUT 900m of speed work? I have to see it to believe it!
@@jujumen I think that point was made. If people could see how my kids run 3x200 and how teams do 2000m of work, people would see two totally different things.
Back in high school I was never that good in the 400...maybe because I didn't know how to run it
It’s hard to teach someone to run the 400 with words. The 4x4 predictors teach “fast and loose” sprint efficiency. They also teach our the body’s biochemistry to thrive in spite of the pollution of glycolysis (acidosis).
My pb was 55.9-56.1.....I was the fastest in the 200...22.9.....my team mates was good in the 400...50.-53....but none could run the 200...they all ran 24-25...
Never understood why
@@donnelleeustache4549 If you ran 22.9 in 200, with proper training, you should have 49.8 in 400m.
Thanks for the reply.....IL keep in touch with you for now on
Can you help me with my 400 times
The two-word answer "GET FAST". (then do 23 second drill or 4x4 predictors once a week if you only have one meet). If over-scheduled, be patient and let meets train you to sprint farther. Whatever you do, don't sacrifice speed and try to "get in shape".
@@coachtonyholler how do you get kids in shape who are not in shape when they come to you? Do you find focussing only on speed gets them in shape or do you do other things with them? Thanks
@@DM-jt4rh if kids are SLOW, “in-shape” doesn’t matter.
Train speed and stack anaerobic work for aerobic benefit.