Ported Heads Before & After (measurements + dyno)
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- I finally received my stage 3 ported cylinder heads from Livernois and in this video we go over: what is porting, why it makes a difference, and what kind of power gains we can expect.
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The build is progressing nicely. One of my favorite builds on RUclips
Thanks Alfonso ✌
Been waiting for this vid for a while, instant like
Frrr lol I’ve sent him many messages about his next vid!!! 😂
I love the detail, especially since it is a 3V. These engines are definitely an “underdog” since nobody seems to do much with them. Keep up the good work. I’m excited to see another 3V in northern Nevada!
Thanks Logan. Good content btw, keep it up 👍
Four Eyes thanks man I appreciate it.
could always build the engine and put a blower on it. I think you can get somewhere around 630 horsepower or so if you do it right. I want to do it some day but my father doesn't think it is a good idea. There's been a lot of 3V back in 2005-2006 I can remember with superchargers putting out over 400hp.. it's been doable for quite a long time. And yes, I can afford ~$16,500 upgrades to the engine.
Mine doesn't perform like an 'underdog' and it is still stock. People seem to be spoiled with what is available today and forget how much power you really just need on the street. Not everyone lives on a race track or a 1/4 mile drag strip. At least, I don't and I never will. Also there were already Chevrolet LS V8 powered cars way before the S197 GT came out in 2005 that would outrun it.
wiselink marque yea all the new production cars coming out have an insane amount of HP especially for daily driving.
Just thinking about of all these delicious upgrades hurts my wallet lol
I feel your pain been there already just cams alone for that model probably about 700$ or more the 2v comp cams cost me 600$ just cams
@@linoacuna7230 damn y'all actually finding cams I can't find any in stock
@@driftcat7076 checkout late model restoration I think they now have mopar and dodge parts if that is what u r looking for
@@linoacuna7230 contrary to my name I own a 05 3v but I'm hopeful lol
@@driftcat7076 the 3v with cams sound amazing by the way
Making power isn't cheap, but doing it well is worth doing it right. You're following the right path for sure and will be enjoying the gains you'll have👍
So true! I was thinking the exact same thing!
You’re one of the few people keeping the 3V alive. I’ve been contemplating on saving for dob kit trying to keep it around 500whp for a Decent daily.
Same here - I’m going for a DOB kit for mine as a streetable grocery getter with AC. This’ll be the turn key hot Rod while the rest of the projects come and go
Someone sponsor this man. I been wating for ever , fir new content. This was such a tease 😔
I agree
God damn, I love this build more and more with each upload. Also, thank you for teaching me what ported heads mean and what to expect from 3v's if you get this done.... To go from 325 hp to 400+ is INSANEEEE! With all the new parts you're planning to add as well I wouldn't be surprised to see modern Coyote power coming out of your 3v! Very very cool. I finally picked up my own 3v and it's better than I had ever dreamt.
dang rev that unit to 8k. this thing is coming together so sick
gang gang
I'm a simple man I see 4 eyes drops a vid I hit the like button
Great vid and thanks for measuring port size before/after. Mine measured similar to yours which makes me happy. Can't wait to see how much power the new 5.0L stroker and these heads make 👊👍.
Thanks for all your help with everything 🙏
@@Four_Eyes You are welcome! It's been fun 👊
I look forward to your uploads every 3 months quality content 👌
The legend returns from his rest
lol thanks damian, but i can promise there's no rest
@@Four_Eyes can the lash adjusters be replaced with cam in place using the spring compressor tool?
Edit: I got porting done. All done by hand by someone with many years experience. They did it per my application. Gains we’re 25% average on intake across valve lift range and 48% average on exhaust. Actual cfm gains at .600 were 212 up to 268 intake, 145 up to 212 on exhaust! So it performs between a LS1 and coyote head. Great flow for 4.6L.
OP:
Building one of these too, talking about porting with engine builder right now. Turbo application.
Crazy part is the gains N/A are multiplied under boost. Let's say you gained 75HP N/A, thats worth 150HP at 15psi! Insane!
Just purchased a 08 GT and have been searching RUclips for upgrades. Your channel is by far the best I've found! Keep up the great work!
Dayyyyum dude! Very cool to see this route instead of the typical FI power adder
Clear, concise explanation of your path, a vid well done.
I got my 2020 GT500 9 months ago. Just started a page myself. I admire the work you guys do people think it's easy to just upload a video there's alot of backend work. Keep it up👍
no doubt
I’m finally buying a 3V of my own, and your build is an inspiration to me. I hope to make my car even 1% as cool as yours.
Man, the process you’re using to bring your 3v to the next level is beautiful 👌🏻 my favorite channel for sure! I just picked up a satin silver 2007 GT last month and I’m looking to follow your lead on this, exactly how I would have done it! Nice work man!
Nice! Love Three Valves! What are your plans for it?!
Hell yeah man! Building that motor is definitely the way to go. I'm sure you'll be close to 450-480hp when the motor is finished.
We'll find out 🤞 Always appreciate the oldschool subs, thanks for following the build Sterling.
I have to respect this man's love for the 05-09. His build make me regret getting a coyote.
Every time you put out a video I go do something to my 3v, lol.. Good stuff man, Glad to see some love for the 3v's out there.
If you port head doesnt it mean that you will lose more velocity? Remember when you deleted butterfly valves. If I m right that means you will lose even more low end torque. And putting turbos on top of that instead of somethink that will give you low end torque like supercharger... idk man. My guess is that you will have loads of power at top of the rev range but low end is gonna suck. *Correct if I m wrong*
PS. Love the build either way. Keep up the good work.
Extra displacement will add some more bottom end
@@Beep00p Yeah you are right but how much? you said "some" but will it be enough for money that he spends.
Here's a link to an old article with some dyno numbers comparing stockish 4.6 3v and these stage 3 heads with comp stage 4 cams. Peak torque was higher in the powerband, but their numbers show more torque everywhere. www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mmfp-0812-livernois-motorsports-cylinder-head-upgrade
@@Beep00p Thanks!
In theory what you're saying about flow and velocity is correct. There can be shifts in the powerband. However, there may also be overall gains from increasing the efficiency of the engine. The heads do have higher cfm ratings and larger ports after being reworked, but that doesn't mean they'll lose bottom end (though some can.) There may have been something in the passageways that was technically adding velocity, but overall impeding the combustion process. The initial head architecture and porting work makes a real difference. For example, if someone just takes some heads and opens them up as big as possible they could lose power everywhere, yet only minor port work may result in bigger gains. Blah, blah, blah. Other supporting mods and tuning will also effect the end results and can change them one way or the other significantly, so lots of variables and can't say for certain how this exact combination will work out for him. Just my few cents, who knows! 🤷♂️ I'm excited to see the results myself
Thanks for the information, i will be watching this series closely
This is great dude I just had my full bolt on 3v tuned it's making 341 rwhp...this is goals right here loving the build
Nice. What's all on the car exactly?
@@Four_Eyes I have kooks long tube headers,full straight piped,hot rod cams,ford performance intake manifold,upgraded throttle body,jlt cold air intake with the heat shield,1 piece d/s, 93 tune. Short shifter,light weight flywheel and performance clutch...,
@@Four_Eyes oh and msd coils, I believe that's everything
@@jcub19 Sounds about right, thanks for the detail!
@@Four_Eyes no problem man I really wish I could get my heads ported and built but the way my funds is set up lmaooo well little by little I guess
Always a treat when four eyes uploads! I cant wait to see the final form! Keep up the great content :)
Thank you Jacob
Cant wait for the next upload... Build is getting serious 😯😮
Wouldn't trust the Livernois numbers. They are bad about lying about inflated HP numbers to sell parts. A stock 3v Makes 350bhp on the engine dyno with headers and bare minimum accessory drive. Heads will normally add 30bhp on the engine dyno. Convert to rwhp I say stage 3 heads on your setup will add 25 whp. I say this not to be a dick. Looking forward to seeing the results. It will be hard to decipher the hp gain on these as you will be adding these to a motor with boost as well a drop in CR. The drop in CR will reduce hp by about 10-15 by itself (NA), but won't matter as you will be making too much horsepower when you boost it. Thanks for putting out the great content man!
Make sure you get boost cams in the future. NA cams in a boost motor will make less hp than the stock cams under boost conditions.
These videos make me want to do so much to my 3v but then I remember that im 18 and gotta get my wallet prepped for student loans not down payments on a supercharger 😂
I have an 05 gt I’ve been watching your videos forever I love them, they give me more ideas for mine!
u should budget to get a stroker shortblock and also maybe you should consider getting a meth injection kit and try e85
after watching the full video i realized you went balls to the walls with your engine 💀
Your channel is so great it’s really helping me take notes on how to build my 3v
You went all out dude good to see you back you have done all the research for me.
Always wanted a 5 axis machine 😍! I run two 4 axis a61nx Makino’s for a living. Polishing is very simple to do on your own. A little time and elbow grease and they’d be good 👍🏻. Also polishing the combustion chamber is beneficial! Removing any “sharp” spots so to speak helps with detonation aka spark knock. Therefore eliminating hot spots.
1:56 the dual nikken indexer monster w. the inverted fixture on the A axis.. wow!!
I can’t wait to see this engine back in
love these videos. nice to see someone doing quality 3v videos. these have been really helpful for me and my 3v
Thanks Mark 🙏
Yesss!!! Been waiting to see all those parts go in 😍! I cant wait to see it all done
This was my next step on my fbo 3v build before I went coyote. My build was pretty much identical. Ford racing intake manifold, hot rod cam, headers, TB, jlt cai, tuned, coils, etc. I never dynoed it, but my butt dyno put it close to a stock gen 1 coyote. I went gen 3 and it was a decent jump. Can't wait til you boost it
Can we note how sick that Mustang looks? I usually don't like the 05's but this one is done so right!
Hey thanks Luke ✌
Yeeeesss!! Finally! I've been waiting forever for you to post a video!
Thanks for waiting Chris 🙏
Wow, this build is getting serious. Definitely subbing 🤙
since the engine is going out, how about a new performance dual-disc clutch and a Tremec 6 Speed Manual Transmission? And maybe a new rear end?
288cfm@.500" lift is basically gen 2 coyote. Can easily make over 500 hp n/a with that type of flow. The 190cfm exhaust while not a spectacular number is sufficient. These heads can make power.
YES FINALLY A NEW VIDEO KEEP THEM COMING
Pumped to see this! Love quality Three Valve content! 🏎🚀. Can’t wait to see the entire engine build, it’s gonna be impressive! A lot of people forget that a well-built Three Valve can be a 🚀🚀!!
Can’t wait for this build to be ready I want to see the results 😍😍😍😍😍
I just wanted to say that I love what you are doing! I love it so much infact I am using your channel as blue prints for my 2010 mustang. Keep it up! Can't wait for the next episode!
Thanks Justin ✌
Great video and information and before and after sizing is a great visual specs. This car will be a beast! Can I ask what the heads cost and cost for porting?
He said the heads cost around 1300 don't think he mentioned the portting cost.
Porting was $3k. Do not recommend as it's obviously not cost-effective.
I’m always here for your updates no matter how random lol ❤️
So glad he’s posting again
Big fan of your work. Haven’t seen an update recently, but hope things are working well. BTW, I also have a Tungsten Grey (Saleen Extreme 3V) and decided to build an engine with RGR, who also did port the heads.
Yessss ive been waiting sooo long ! 3v gang 💪
I don't want to know what to expect Brad! I WANT NUMBERS!!!
Currently rebuilding my 2010 Mustang GT 4.6l 3v... Molnar Forged HD rods from mob max, and CP 12 to 1 pistons made for mod max. Factory crank. Ford racing intake, Ford racing cams, factory heads, pypes Coated shorty headers, pypes complete muffler delete exhaust, McLeod race clutch McLeod fly wheel. Tremac T56 6spd, driveshaft shop driveshaft, those are the upgrades. There’s also complete BMR suspension under the car. KONI Yellow adjustables at all four corners with Eibach pro kit springs. SCT tuner. Hoping for approx 460 rwhp
Nice dude 💪
most sick 3v build right now
thanks bruv ✌
CRAP! I went from All Right, that's the head I'm saving for what's it gonna do with the Detriot rockers, to bummer, not gonna find out till I do it myself. This guy just went Waaay past the Coyote swap money.
Hey I’m sure you post a video of you doing it yourself you’ll definitely help out a lot of guys who wonder if ported heads are worth it on a lil 3v
I mean he said from the start he was gonna be building to 1000+ hp. He has a spreadsheet with his mods/ future mods. But honestly, I’m thinking about getting a Paxton blower and pretty much leaving it at that
coyote swap overrated imho. especially concerning that this car never came with one to begin with. I prefer cars with what they came with from the factory and these mods are looking pretty good.
There’s a sense of authenticity to cars that have the same motor and I get that, I think it’s amazing that you can swap a fox and run 10’s NA
Without a doubt though the car is coming along very nicely and will make big power once it’s all done
You can get heads fixed, mill the cam towers down and install cam bearings!
I am very excited to see how much HP you can squeeze out of the 4.6. Nate Ryder said they can only make around 500hp wheel max ( safely ) so I guess we will have to see! 3v LIFE!
That is on a stock bottom end this engine is fully built with cams and ported heads it will make a ton of power probably 1000 wheel with the right turbo.
Bro listen I’m about to be at 700-1000hp on my 3v. You didn’t need ported heads you just need a built engine, tr6060 transmission, and a power adder such as a turbo.
Nice, man. What’s done to your Three Valve?
He’s trying to do an n/a build with his 3v I think
Arge NA Three Valve?! Nice, you don’t see that very often! 👍💪
Arge he’s trying to get to 700 whp.. his plan was to turbo it but I’m not sure anymore
Race Gas Smells Good diamond flat top pistons, Molnar rods, cobra Kellogg crank, on3 turbo kit, 7875 vs racing turbo, custom turbo cams, beehive springs, comp cam limiters, 2 walbro 525 pumps, return style fuel system, fore innovations dual pump hat, dw fuel regulator, upr fuel rails, fic 1440cc injectors, tr6060 swap, aluminum driveshaft, gt500 clutch, mgw shifter, n2mb wot box, orange konis, ffrp lowering springs, gt500 strut hats, j&m upper control arm, etc.
Dude keep up the progress!!! Can’t wait to see the next upload!
Nice to see a video my v6 finally went out saving up to get a wrecked 3v this makes me happy might have to save up a little more and get them after the swap
Mo Powah Babeh!!! Thank god I bought a jeep and not a S197. I was really really thinking of doing a build like this or a used 5.0 with a Whipple and an aftermarket tree mod...
I love your videos, you are one of the youtubers that inspired me to start my RUclips adventure
thanks man 🙏 just keep it up
im excited to see where it ends up at. I would like to do a head to head with your build being that I went the coyote direction. I am now a gen 3 swap car and pushing 426 hp at the wheel from longtubes, intake, and tune.
gen 3 swap? that is dope
Really sharp looking car. Great video!
Thanks Kyle ✌
You broke my heart at 4:42 xD. Keep it cool man, I really like your S197 :)
Can't wait to see the results!
That outro is sick asf🔥
Still love watching the videos and seeing the choices you make. One of the reason I love the video so much is my Mustang is almost exactly like yours - 2007 GT Tungsten Grey. I have done a few new mods since my last comment on one of your videos also. Laguna Seca / Ford Performance Rear Seat Delete / X Brace, TMI front seat reupholster kit (this make them look more like the modern sport bucket while still retaining the original seat frames) and an Edelbrock Stage 2 Supercharger Kit w/ a custom tune from VMP Performance.
I look forward to seeing more video - you do a great job - very enjoyable to watch.
How do you like those reupholstered seats? Good fitment or a bit saggy here and there?
And thanks Cooper ✌
@@Four_Eyes - No fitment was actually excellent but it take about 4 to 5 hours to do and you will need an extra set of hands, my Mustang has the Premium package so it had the factory leather seats - I even moved the factory seat heater over to the new setup.
There is little difference between rough and polished intake ports in terms of max flow. But!! At lower flow rates, such as low-mid RPM or when the valves are just barely off their seats, rough ports have a MUCH better aurflow velocity. The rough texture creates a large boundary layer of still air which progressively collapses as airflow becomes greater. This effectively acts like small ports at low flow regimes, and big ports for high flow. The best of both worlds. The grooves left by a CNC machine are close to ideal, which is why the dark art of manually adding grooves to intake ports has disappeared. That used to be a thing, albeit relatively obscure.
Badass man!! I just picked up a set of used heads from a buddy...im going to port them (my dad taught me how to port when i was a kid) have a valve job done and head surfaces machined. Then im going tk do springs and cams..probably comp stg2 vsr cams. How much was your stroker setup? How long will it be before the motor is back into the car??
My shop said it would take 2-3 weeks, everything should be done by early October at the absolute latest.
Damn i was thinking the same thing about my heads on my 3v be nice to get them ported. But damn those heads u got CLEANNNNNNN OMG cant wait to see everything done.
Looking forward to seeing it all go in.
Like the video before even watching. Excited for another one man!
The 98-08 Lincoln navigator 5.4 heads are 4v DOHC same as the shelby gt500.
Damn, Four Eyes went all in! Imma stick with long tubes, Ford hot rod cams and heads.
I know you're gonna get over 500 rwhp na with that set up Mr. Fantastic. Dr. Doom is gonna be quivering in his boots!
Your my mustang 3 valve hero. I have a beautiful 2008.
Man you make me wanna buy this white 06 3v that's for sale here for 6k and has 102k miles on it
most underrated youtuber!
Great content. Thanks for going into such detail. Please document the motor build as much as possible. I'm wanting to try to rebuild a short block & this my first ohc motor. Theres is not a lot of engine building info on 3v's. I was going to drop in a 393w stroker, but decided to turbo the 4.6 instead.
Thank you, and thanks for watching.
So I have a build sheet here:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hVIZx8W_6PMGEG0bqVcpb3FUmJhsc5FHKiF8nt7t1EM/edit#gid=0
And I'm posting another video in about two weeks that details all the parts I bought for the rebuild.
@@Four_Eyes The build sheet is very helpful. I was hoping to assemble my valve train on the short block in my garage. I'm from the ls world & there just isn't a lot of build info on these 3v's. I'm hoping it's the same as a 2v.
I'd personally have liked to have seen you install the heads on your 4.6 engine. That's what I'm running and would have been interested in the differences you would experience. I'm personally working in a different direction. I'm going to work on the handling end. Springs, shocks, anti-roll (sway) bars, Watts link in the sear suspension, better sway bar end links, higher quality front control arms, and like your GT a 1 piece driveshaft. Oh, an all-aluminum larger radiator just because I hate "modern composite" units. I personally think that 425 - 460hp is a great number but only if it's tractable and useable. I look forward to your future videos. Stay safe & healthy.
Thanks Lincoln. I probably won't track this car as it's my daily. Did everything all at once (heads + stroker kit) to reduce labor costs and time.
Good vid brow ,,keep doing the good work with that 3v , those motors are amazing,I been washing your videos .😎
Saludos desde Tijuana BC México 🤠✌️
FINALLY SOMEONE DOES THIS VIDEO
Love your channel. Great content. I'm thinking of getting a big bore short block from modmax.
I’ve been following you and have done A LOT of what you’ve done to my 07 CS/GT. Can you keep your Detroit Rocker cams on the new heads?? If so I’m gonna order the same heads and have the ported.
I’m ready to see this 3v build👀🔥
For a cylinder head that has two intake valves, those flow numbers look pretty low compared to ported LS3 heads or stock Gen iii Hemi heads.
Hey man, im building up an 05, i love your videos. Im doing comp cams stage 2 cams, and next year definitely gonna look into the kooks headers you have lol. Maybe these heads one day!
See a fellow s197 instant like
I like watching youtube. I like cars. I like watching youtube videos about cars. Your youtube videos about cars feel like I'm watching a really good youtube video, That just so happens to be about cars, which is as good a complement I can give. No offense to scotty Kramer I love his videos but its clear a mechanic made them. That is not clear on these videos. Please keep it up.
Great video, still can’t believe you don’t have more subs
Thanks Dain. Maybe one day.
More posts and he will be there. The video editing is on point.
stop making me wait so long for these vids!!!!!!!! show us more around the build lol
will the maf and map sensors will act and adapt according to the flow and pressure generated by this modification ? Is there a range of values considered standard by the maps in the ECU ?
Here I want to see the dyno result after the porting just to compare the difference between before and after.
Estoy ansioso de ver el siguiente video, ya quiero saber cuantos caballos va a arrojar con esta ultima modificación.
How much was porting? Would've been nice to get a baseline number on the new heads before going all-out on the stroker. Doesn't seem very scientific to throw a bunch of mods in at once. Looking forward to seeing your results.
P.S. Seems similar to method Saleen used on the '07 PJ 'Stang. Should be interesting
It would have been, but good science is expensive and I don't have the funds to double pay for labor and tunes. Regardless, I think 390-405whp is very realistic. Porting was $3k 🤮
Awesome video man. But since your getting the motor taken out and building a 5.0 stroker motor. Realistically I’m assuming your next upload will be next spring won’t it
Dropping off the Mustang at the shop a week from today, so definitely not that long. I also have some other videos planned.