The results 📈 of installing the most aggressive cams on my Mustang
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- Опубликовано: 9 апр 2021
- Find out how much horsepower my 4.6 Mustang makes after installing Comp Cams Stage 3 Cams (127600).
After rocking Brenspeed's Detroit Rocker camshafts for almost two years, it was time to upgrade to the most aggressive camshafts available for the 4.6 3-valve Mustang GT. In this video we compare dyno charts, exhaust sound, and race my buddy’s Camaro.
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Anyone that buys underdrive pulleys is a complete idiot. I suggest you learn more. People like you are a joke.
Hey I highly doubt it but do you have the old cams you swapped out not the stocks but the ones that will work with stock springs and stuff ?? I’m just in California and was wondering if you have them and would sell them ?
Gears will make a difference in that race but what gears did the camaro have
The absolute hardest way to almost make 400hp with a 3V 😂😅
lol no doubt
Sure a turbo or sc would be easier but I think the idea was to see how much power he could squeeze out NA. Definitely beats the sound of forced air... and when he does add the twin turbo like he said with all the other mods that thing will be a monster.
Not to mention expensive.
If you got the money, build n/a with turbo future in mind and that turbo won't have to work as hard to make power. A more efficient engine is always better.
@@cumbob words of wisdom 🙌
It pains me how underrated this channel is
This gem just showed up in my recommended. Glad it did. Subbed b4 the video was even over
Might have something to do with the six months between videos. I certainly used his videos as a guide when I first started.
When you use Detroit rocker and comp cams…..you wasted money on cams 2x.
That’s why I don’t watch this channel.
Ford really just dropped the ball with the 3v mustang. It’s such a great looking car too. But 387 wheel for a stroked, heads/cam fbo engine should be the title of a horror movie
Totally agree. The newer Mustang’s are better in every way. Not worth dropping that amount of money just to keep up.
Mustangs suck
@@jimshelton1437 really adding to the conversation now aren’t you.
No kidding! That's a lot of money to spend to get smoked by a bolt on Audi S3.
@@chieppachat9381 Sounds like a 12 year old whining kid. Most likely just lives in a trailer park.
*Unfortunately my buddy sold his Camaro* 😐 But I am in the process of installing a T56 Magnum on the Mustang (which will be the subject of the next Mustang video). After the new 6-speed is installed and the Mustang is retuned, I'll be setting up some races against stock Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 3 Coyote Mustangs, and maybe a stock Camaro SS for good measure. Stay tuned.
crazy how i just came across this video published months ago and was just about to look for the upgrade then to see this update 😓. Taking this opportunity to say that your content is awesome, to the point, well explained and really really fascinating. keep it up
@@aalonbullard9320 thanks Aalon 🙏
387HP
Thats it
My dads olds puts out about 510HP @6000 rpm max
With a 455 blueprint V8 olds
@@issacdaniels942 riveting tale old chap. You do realize the Olds has 150 more cubic inches of displacement right? That’s about equivalent to a 2.5 liter 4 banger.
Almost 400 whp on a 5 liter 3V is pretty impressive. Excited to see what this does with the trans and rear end gear change.
Excited for the update. Definitely gonna subscribe for it.
I like the fact that this isn't just another overkill build and how you're optimizing this car, it's really fun to see
Once i hit the third gear
Him - NOOOOOOOO MONICAAAA !
Lol that make my day !
i always wondered why a lot of people nowadays call each other Monica???
I don't know bro, but it's fun sometimes lol
It was a line from The Fast and The Furious.
“i decided to have the most aggressive cams i can find installed”🤣🤣🤣🤣 idk why its funny asf when he said that
As he's explaining it: Why do you have such long gears? You won't win.
Him: My gears are too long.
Playing the long game. Some cars seem slow, until they can comfortably cruise at 150-170 mph without being in high rpms
I've had a couple sport bikes like this, the gears are so long geez you staying first or second up to about a hundred in the city but on the highway you'll be in third or fourth going 130 at like 4000 (out of 12 😂)
@@lordzeuscannon6400 it's a mustang. Not a Ferrari. Cruise at 170 at low rpm? W-what?
@@user-ty5di3ku6o yeah really lolol. Throw 410s and some drag radials on that bitch. He'd shit on that Camero 0-120
I'm perfectly happy honestly with the 3.55's mine has. Enough to see the needle easily climb after 100mph but still get good gas mileage on highway trips (30mpg).
I’ve never clicked on a video so fast in my life. I love the content
Me too !
Same!
Likewise with so much curiosity
Facts
Same 😂😂
Out of all the subs I have on youtube this is prob the only one I click on right away to watch. Keep up the great work and awesome videos.
hey thanks clint
@Clint Rowland . Agreed .
same here
This the type of video that I just can’t skip 10 seconds, everything is clear and short, straight to the point, won a sub
A few of you have commented that the gear-grinding in 2nd may be due to a worn synchro. Good possibility this is the issue (I'm hoping the old clutch's diaphragm was just weak from abuse). If this is the case, I'll be swapping in a 6-speed. If you have any experience swapping transmissions on S197s, please feel free to reply to this comment. And no, I don't want an auto.
I disagree on the synchro. These S197's use a body mount shifter, and at WOT your engine and trans is twisting, while the shifter is not, since it's mounted to the body. Get a Blowfish Racing V2 shifter bracket and your choice of short shifter. The bracket allows the shifter to mount to the trans, no more grinding gears.
Edit to add, if you have $3500 burning a hole in your pocket, a Tremec T56 Magnum XL should bolt right in. The extended tailshaft housing locates the shifter in the right spot for these cars.
Might look at a bowler t56 magnum XL, as they're made to bolt right up in that car, or possibly the same trans from tick, tick knows how to make a trans hold tons of torque/power. Might also look into either mantic or black magic clutches, and 3.55 or 3.73 gears. I have 3.55s in my 96 and they're great, but I'm also on a 4r70 auto with a high stall converter so down low it acts more like a 3.73 or a 4.10. Just make sure when you go to upgrade things that your future proofing for those turbos or you'll end up spending the same money again to make it hold more when you need it. Also if you're mostly stock suspension look into control arms with poly bushings, it's a world of difference when it comes to putting the power down, poly or solid motor and trans mounts are a good idea too, plus 4link adjustability is great if you know someone with experience setting them up. Just a side note, 3.55s are very steerable but give you a good kick, 3.73s will kill your mileage but have even more down low.
that grinding is 100% the synchro on it's way out the door. swapping the trans from your 3650 to a 6speed (tr6060, t56, stay way from the mt82 garbage), is going to be more of a nightmare than it's worth. If you can get the trans crossmember from an '08 gt500, and the tr6060 in it, it'll be a tad easier. Next, you're going to need a new pilot bearing, new throwout, new slave, etc.
Shifting is a common issue with our transmissions, 2nd to third hard shifts were the worst for me. Was having similar issues with mine and took it into my Ford mechanic and he tested it out, said it was the way they worked and that they are pretty solid transmissions other than this issue. I installed the MGW short throw shifter ( www.mgwshifters.com/shifters/mustangs/102 ) and it made shifting much better. Its highly adjustable, what i like the most about it. Also swapped out the trans fluid with Royal Purple which seemed to help a bit. Here's a link that I book marked awhile back regarding shifting issues: www.allfordmustangs.com/threads/2008-mustang-gt-transmission-synchronizer-problems.116935/
I highly agree with nick on this had the same issue with mine at high rpm on the track I put the blowfish racing bracket and fixed my lock out issue I definitely recommend this mod for our remote body shifters. It also has a drive shaft loop on it so your legal on the strip when you turbo it.
Glad to see someone still messing with their old 3v as I have been for the last 10 years
@BR-P-2001 // No. when the coyote came out and was as responsive to mods as it was, even with the MT trans; most people upgraded to the yote. Dealing with the overhead cams and the 3v takes a lot of patience, time and money. The reward isn’t as satisfying as the 5.0
Jordan from Modular head Shop actually Loves 3vs
@BR-P-2001 // Not that at all... they are just not responsive to mods at all. This guys is thousands of dollars in and still hasn’t cracked 400 Rear. A coyote will do do that with simple intake/tune/exhaust.
@@HorsePlayMotoring I’m sure he does, with $4000 heads lol.
@@smallfry0764 ?
im slowly building my 09 3v and I like watching your videos to see the progress.. and help me make building my motor easier
Very technical approach to "im gonna beat my friends car one day" this is an awesome video format. Subbed. Keep up the great content!! 👍
Inspirational for us 3v owners brother
appreciate the support 🙏
This has definitely been a fun project to watch, and I’m looking forward to how it does with the improvements!
I love this build and the character it has as a 3v. I ended up just going with coyote swap because of how good a platform it is and how easy it is, but a built 3v is still awesome and that car is a beauty. You might consider the epas rack conversion for the lower weight and steering quality to get the most hp/least weight from the drivetrain.
100%! Best mods for S197 cars are GT500 4 pot brembos, wide square tires (I run 275 square on 18×10s), rear control arms for wheel hop issues, 11-14 front LCAs are nice if you don't mind modifying the knuckle a bit, EPAS rack is definitely nice to have. Also if you drive a manual buy an aluminum clutch master cylinder rod end because yours will probably break eventually and you'll be stranded. They're like 10 bucks and can be installed with an Allen wrench in 5 minutes, rather than a $500 trip to the mechanic for a new clutch master clutch just for the rod end
What was your total price for the Coyote swap? Thx
@@Phantom096 it just depends on a lot of factors but bare minimum 10 grand.
Dude I’m so glad that this channel popped up on my feed. I love this model of mustang so much and I’m looking forward to seeing your journey🙏🏼
I appreciate builds like this... it isnt the fastest, but sometimes its fun just to see what you can do. Have your tuner build you a 100 octane tune with a sprinkle of nitromethane.
His compression is so low(9.5:1) he could run 87-91 and be fine. He would just dump so much fuel for a tiny gain in power it would just hurt the wallet. Math is important when building a engine. 12.5:1 would be better for 100 octane. His setup up is a good candidate for boost, but even a boosted engine I would prefer i higher static compression and lower overall boost pressure to achieve numbers. Sounds decent though for such low compression.
@@keva3336 thank you. So few people actually understand octane/ compression. Seems a lot are educated by fast and furious movies rather than hands on.
It’s a very low compression motor built for boost.
3V KING
Still waiting for sally 😭
I used to watch your channel till it got too cringe 3 years ago
@The Man Ik, i have a gt350. I just have a soft spot for 3v engines. I had a 2008 GT ask my first car.
@The Man hes calling four eyes the "3v king". not saying the 3v is the king, because well, we already know that
Nate you were 3V king til this guy came along :) Wish you would've continued that.
This was a very good video.
I'm an old school gear head,
And this video was soo clear that even anyone not interested in this kind of stuff,( like my wife) would still watch this all the way to the end. I liked how you talked aboot the parts and products that you were using and why you were using them.
Good job. Keep up the good work.
I had a 238/243 600 LSA Comp cam for my 6.0 Gto. Never had it tuned. I was younger and the bank got it back lol. But when you started it up after installing it. Man I almost cried. Those cams are hard to beat. Sound drivability and power. It’s all there. Good luck to you bro. Thanks for the video
I was honestly surprised to hear about your rear-end gearing choice for this set up. Can't wait to see how your build runs after increasing the aggressiveness of the ratio
This is such a dope build !!! I love this body style of mustang it screams muscle car !!! Can wait for the next vid !!!!
You do videos better than 99 percent of automotive youtubers I’ve seen. Great job
As a Predominantly Mopar and Chevy guy, I have to say, I love this build, best of luck with the new Clutch and Rear gear, going to be a monster under boost
Best sounding 3v I've ever had the pleasure of listening to
Cams sound sick bro these vids are always so well put together love the editing
thank you brew 🙏
@@Four_Eyes he
I love the flow of your videos, all killer no filler. Subbed
HOLY MOLY! such a clean build man!
Man us 3v appreciate someone dumping there heart soul and savings into one of our cars 💯
Man im starting to see the 3v community is more respectable to each other than even the coyote community.
I love how your videos are concise, factual not bloated with click bait. Thank you.
I love your content and the way you format your videos to make it seem like a story. It's entertaining! Keep it up man.
As far as I know, the 3V 5 speed is a beast of a transmission, and if you're planning on getting a Coyote 6speed I've heard horror stories on the weakness and inability to change gears at high RPM, keep the 5speed IMO. Also, 355 gears were stock on those too, although 373 are a blast to drive on the daily and for enthusiast driving.
I love your channel and I love your mustang keep 'em coming!
Didn't even have to watch it before I hit the like button!
Straight facts bro
same here
Lmao that’s what I was doing as I read this!! 😂
As a fellow 3v'er with a stock TR3650 I can suggest that your 1st - 2nd shift problem may not be your clutch. I went thru multiple options/upgrades (stainless clutch line, new clutch, Blowfish bracket etc.) trying to fix the 1st-2nd and 2nd-3rd high rpm shift lockout (the grinding you felt). It wasn't until I installed the CHE torque limiting brace from the trans to the k member that my issue improved substantially. I know u know what you're doing but I've lived this issue. It's completely frustrating and will only get worse with more power without that brace. Love the channel man.
Does double clutching fix the problem?
@@LionAndALamb I have the same problem but a far different car. My 95 4runner is slow but to get on the freeway I really gotta push the rev limiter to get up to speed on time and I have found that double clutching cuts about a half a second off the grinding which is a lot but not enough to completely get rid of it.
Power up. Take off in 2nd!!!!!
The ultimate source of the gear clashing problem is that the ratio splits in the 3650 are simply too big. When you shift gears, the synchro/blocker rings job is to decrease the speed of the input shaft to match the next higher gear but the inertia of the input is tied directly to the polar moment of the 10.5" clutch disc. The wider the split, the more change in RPM during the shift. The only way to effectively reduce the inertia is to go with a smaller clutch diameter which is why so many performance cars now use a smaller diameter (i.e. 8") multi-disc arrangement. There are now several companies making dual disc clutches for the Mustang which will drastically help the problem.
Not a big fan of mustangs but I've honestly got to respect the build and the dedication to this car. Nicely done man
Ive been watching this build for so long and Im excited for each new short video you put out :)
Damn, no matter how long you’re videos are you make them fly by so quick! Enjoy you’re videos man, 3v goals for sure💯🙌🏼
Good updates! I actually like the idle chop a little better with the comp cams if I'm honest! 3.73 is an excellent choice for your build but it may be too much gear for traction once the turbos hit. Keep the 3.31 on the shelf😁👍👍
yeah these comp cams are p nasty
@BR-P-2001 // Yeah agreed but he's been saying all along he's gonna boost it....
@BR-P-2001 // Totally agree! Such great motors really
Split the difference with 3.55's!
@BR-P-2001 // they really are 😭😂😂
This is the first vid I've seen on this channel, and I subbed within 2 minutes. That's by far the nicest 3v I've ever seen!
Good video man straight to the point, numbers for everything and logical explanations. I don’t have a mustang myself but your build helps me decide mods for my hemi.
Your car and your project are awesome. In an era where electric bars of soap run 10s and 9s with no driver intervention, the acceleration numbers are losing importance. By all means, make the engine as powerful as possible but the experience, the sound, the feel, the driver interaction are way more important now. The 4.6L may be a gen out of date but I’ll be damned if it’s not one of the best sounding engines ever made. BTW, visual mods on your car are perfection. Nicely done.
Im not even a muscle car/v8 guy but this thing is nice and sounds great
The most interesting build on youtube for me. I fucking love the sound of pure raw american muscle cars
agreed
Love seeing the 3V content keep them coming my man 👍🏽
Nice channel! I love the format. Keep ‘em coming!
Excellent information. The sound of this engine with cams is so good. But I am getting older (and lazier), so taking the rpm all the way to 6k to hit peak power is not my idea of fun. A mild preparation and a good turbo will easily yield 400hp and a ton of torque. My 2007 GT was so much fun to drive even with the original engine and flowmasters. However it drove like a 60's truck.
i was so surprised to see this in my sub box this morning. i’m so excited to see how this goes
me too, all mods from here on out are pretty serious business
@@Four_Eyes i wish you the best and am curious to see what the turbos add.
Your videos are so good! Look forward to the next one
The quality of your content is AMAZING!!! I'm hitting the subscribe button.
HES FINALLY BACK !!!!
Nice choice ;)
Glad to hear you are raising redline. Hope you find those extra 14 hp. Great content!
I recently installed ford hot cams in a 2008 gt track car and It was the talk of the shop! Sounded so good, we all preferred the exhaust sound over even the exotics we were working on.
I have a 2019 5.0. I used to have a 4.6. I loved that car. There’s always a faster one, but it’s all about how good you take care of the one you have
The quarterly video I've been waiting for.
My guy I'ma speak on the elephant in the room....it's time for a proper 6-speed swap
hte way ill do it with mine: run the 5 speed until it blows up, then throw the 6 speed from the gt500 on it.
yep, the 5-speed is done. t56 en route...
@@Four_Eyes yea buddy
@@Four_Eyes. You will need an even steeper rear end gear with that
T56 trans unless you are doing a positive displacement blower. I believe that I heard you were doing a turbo setup?
Quality quality and quality. Your videos never disappoint good sir!
Absolutely eargasm, and beautiful build.
Thoese big boy cams ate gonna be moving so much compressed air when you do get the turbos installed 🤘🤘🤘🤘
For that setup I honestly wouldn't go with a 3:73 gear I'd go with a 4:10 or above at least, I have a stock 4.6 2v crown Vic and swapping out the gear to a 4:10 was probably the worst thing I could do for gas mileage but it became alot more fun to drive.
At least 4:10 gear.
rear gears and a set of wheels should be any mustang first mods
3.73 gears is the best all around gear. 4.10's are too steep.
@@divemaster037 yes but for the cam that he is running you would want a steeper gear to complement the cam.
This is such a high quality, easy to watch video!! So much information, great!!
hey thank you jacob ✌
This video came in my Recommended and dude, i love this kind of videos, btw that's a cool mustang
The ONLY creator that I stalk constantly to see if he’s posted lmao
That's the reason I'm back again lol
Oh no, I lowered my compression. Well, guess I'll just slap some turbos on this bad boy. And that is how you solve a problem.
Thats actually how you solve that issue with upgraded heads already. He put comp cams in which only gave him 22 hp i think. So, the only other way to boost compression is turbo or supercharger. Turbos will feed the power a whole lot more efficiently.
A full point of compression should only be about 10 to 15 horsepower from everything I've researched
Dude your car is absolutely beautiful. The 05-09 S197 has always been my favorite body style. A black '05 GT is what got me into cars.
Yo the video format is awesome dont even drive a mustang but the quality is so top notch that thing sounded so good with both cams on there 👌 also making a lot of power for a 3v its nice to see people not giving up on these mustangs I think look great keep it up
Massive respect for this build, I know squeezing that extra bit of hrsprs out of a 3V was a bit of an ordeal. Also definitely the cleanest S-197 I’ve ever seen.
these videos make me want to spend an ungodly amount of money on my mustang
If you do, make sure it’s to a coyote lol
@@Svtarlen Naw, ill stick with a boosted 3v. I prefer it over the coyote sound.
@@Odin3v if you like sound over power than that’s the right choice
@@Svtarlen idc about being fast. Its a street car. I have another mustang for that.
@@Odin3v lol I guess
The idle sound is really great, and also nice clean build man!
Great video straight to the point, subbed
Glad to be early for once
It seems so strange that a 4.6l V8 produces little more power than a stage 3, 1.6l fiesta st. Shows how effective turbos can be.
A lot of big american engines are simply underpowered though, compared to other engines of similar size and year. I was going to comment on torque numbers for big displacement engines, but the current Fiesta ST also has almost 300nm, too.
Meanwhile honda was making 240 hp out of a naturally aspirated 2.0 4banger 😂
Saw this on my YT homepage, never watched you before. Clicked due to the amazing gloss on that paint.
If its taking this long to upload, I can only assume that the next video is gonna be an absolute banger. Cant wait to watch bro!
Great channel. This is the most informative Mustang channel with the least amount of nonsense I've found so far. I've played everything on your page today while working.
thank you very much 🙏
I absolutely love your content and the fact you have everything laid out on a spreadsheet for anyone who wants to look at it I’ve definitely still some of the mods off of it XD
Man I've watched you since the day you started and I'm subscribe to you on 3 accounts now as a 24 year old I hope you realize how truly great your channel is I got my 3v right as you did this is one of the many time I've watched this and all the other 3v content you have provided I can't wait to see your next video
i'm not a big mustang fan, but this mustang is just gorgeous, really appreciate how tasteful the look of it is, great work👍
Wow , video is amazing never clicked a video that fast and actually enjoyed till the end
So detailed I love it! New subscriber
I had the 127550 in my S197 and loved the sound. Your 3V sounds great!
This came up on my recommended feed and man am I happy that it did. Never subbed so fast
I liked your video set up; kept me engaged the whole time. Like your car too.
thanks jb, appreciate it
really like the layout of this video. just simple proper discussion.
I do love that body style! Can't beat that front end with a chin spoiler.
This thing is gonna be a beast. Just came across you're channel. Great content, subscribed!
Bro solid vid! Believe it or not im excited as you are to see that 3V hit 400!
Your videos are amazing bro, looks like a movie 💪🏻
Although just a simulation, I configured super short gear ratios and final gear in a Toyota Yaris in Forza 5 years ago. Stock everything else, I was able to whip around a short, quick turns course against much much more powerful cars. Mechanical advantages are often overlooked. Good luck with the 3.73’s, you’ll love them (and new transmission now, too)
I'm not a mustang guy but I like how you make the video and you talk about everything, keep going.
I really like the channel, very profession and informative
Real nice taste on that mustang mods man, congrats!
First time finding your channel. Super high quality camerawork!+
Love the way it sounds at idle
Almost makes me want to purchase another 3V again!!! That thing sounds amazing.
Dude should have so many followers, your content is awesome!
Cleanest mustang iv seen from that generation, love it.
It may not have the power of the newer muscle but when this mustang started i have to admit that gave me some chills that startup was harmony on the ears.