Destiny 2: Lightfall - Review
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Destiny is a better game than Lightfall presents it to be. Given how much momentum Destiny has gained over the past few years, Lightfall feels like a sudden stop that brings us back to the unevenness of the franchise’s past; a past we all hoped we had left behind long ago.
00:00 Intro
05:06 Campaign
20:05 Strand
25:20 Neomuna
30:09 Sandbox and Systems
41:16 Playlists
47:24 Root of Nightmares
53:00 Conclusion
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Under 1 hour huh shill up?
Lmao rename the last city to just city
Your so right about the expansion I come back for every expansion witch queen got me playing like it was d1 again but im already done with lightfall and moved on
Jesus man... "The virtues of lightfall outweigh it's shortcomings"
This sentence affects your credability of reviews for any Destiny content left to release. You are biased because you're up Destiny's bumhole. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR BUNGIE. They are hopeless at this point.
Get your ass back in time and look at what an expansion for Destiny used to be! It's not even funny. This game is a scam. The most expensive expansion ever released and it has the least content, and it's not even close, it's so far behind anything else ever released. The vast majority disagree with you, that's why it sits at mostly negative on Steam.
How can you possibly stand up for this? You're part of the problem. If folks like you didn't give them a pass for shit like this then maybe we'd actually get good expansions.
I'm disappointed man... IGN were right about the 5/10. At least they don't have the wool over their eyes.
I would bet $100 that you're only being this kind so you don't get your special access to Bungie's previews revoked.
God damn it, why do people let Bungie fuck us over and over time and time again. When will people realise that this sad battle pass piece of piss is just a mockery of what Destiny used to be and stand for?
Even if you do criticise the failures, to say something like that is just mind boggling. You're a smart guy Ralph, I know deep in your heart you don't actually believe that sentence. It's denial.
I hope you wake up one day and realise the Bungie execs should be going to trial for how the murdered this game.
Bungie are the antithesis of "respect your fans"
And you, Ralph, got absolutely disrespected and you take it like an abusive relationship.
I hope you manage to get out of it one day.
All the best,
Dizzy
You, like many others, are being disingenuous when assessing lightfall. What people want to know is whether the expansion is worth the price tag, the largest attached to a Destiny expansion to date. Yet you include the QoL changes in your assessment, and as a positive to overcome the negative areas. The problem is that people are not paying for those QoL changes. They are free for all players. If you are assessing LF, assess the content people are paying for. The seasonal content and free QoL changes like load outs, mod system, sandbox tuning, etc are an aside. They happen at the same time but are not part of the price tag. Which by the way is why Lightfall gets and deserves such negative ratings. The price for amount and quality of content is sub par.
The conclusion of the Lightfall campaign was “come back next year”
A lot of gamers won't do that. At some point enough is enough 🤷🏼♂️
@@flashmasterp.2685 Destiny is currently in one of the best states it's been in, so very odd to hear opinions like this still.
@@cjspeed01 LOL
@@cjspeed01hahahahahahahahaha….oh wait you’re serious? Lemme laugh even harder! HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA
@@cjspeed01 it's in it's BEST state? Lol that's sad
The worst part about the story was that after the final story mission for season of the seraph when you talk to Ikora she was visibly disturbed by the traveler attempting to leave and shakily told you to "go talk to your loved ones if you have any because this may be the last time you get to see them". But when we apparently "lost" she is unsettlingly calm and all oh well at least we still got the city. What the fuck happened to the writing within those 2 weeks between abhorrent imperative and lightfall
Because just like us, they don't know what's going on, Osiris was even surprised that the Witness doesn't care about us
@@GreekMania Then they should have expressed this confusion on an appropriate level. Zavala and Ikora acted like they lost a somewhat close guardian tbh ^^
It's very clear that the seasonal writers and main expansion writers are separate teams
People keep acting/responding like it's the narrative team that directs the game and where it goes/what happens. No. The narrative team has the unfortunate job of trying to cobble together some semblance of a coherent script out of directions/instructions/orders from the game managers (quite calling them Devs). You know how professional writers deal with this shit? They don't. They have professional editors to follow/proofread/critique/suggest/edit/keep on task the writer. Because shitty writing sells no/few books. Now think to yourself...does Bungie actually employ a professional editor?
They have a team for each season and expansion. They create them independently of each other, which leads to the spikes in seasonal quality.
After beating Lightfall with a friend who had just got back into d2 after a 2 year break we decided to go and do witch queen the next day and we were both floored at how much better Witch Queen was. not only in terms of story but also in terms of level design, quest steps, new characters/development of existing characters its nuts how much of a leap down Lightfall was.
my friend and i got back into d2 shortly before witch queen dropped after having stopped playing since the game launched. we've been playing lightfall together as well and we're doing a battlegrounds playlist and a WQ battlegrounds came up. we both immediately commented on how the WQ mission overall felt higher quality than the lightfall stuff we had just finished.
It's clear Bungie doesn't know what they're doing. Each expansion has been trying to one up Taken King
@@KingShibe That is still my favorite expansion of destiny and may also be my favorite expansion of anything
As a new light myself (played d1 heavily all the way through along with d2 release through to forsaken and decided to take a break) I never stopped keeping up with the story. I just want to add that this negative take on the game by regular players is also effecting the way new players and returning players view the game. Quite a few strikes I’m in, I’ll get singled out by someone doing exceptionally well. Just for not getting as many kills or dying a few more times than them. They won’t revive me but will the other player or will just shoot at me while I’m trying my best to kill enemies. I get the frustration with the state of the game but try not to take it out on the new lights! 😅👌
@@peeko_luxx2873 its unfortunate that happens to you, it seems counter intuitive to me to flame people for doing not so well when the entire point is you're working together to hopefully get it done quicker
For me it is genuinely just the price. Lightfall is the most expensive DLC in AGES, and it feels like one of the smallest major updates we've ever gotten. Witch Queen had a lot content and a great story to soften the $80 blow. Lightfall has none of that to soften its $100 price tag. It is the first time I've felt buyers remorse from a Destiny DLC.
None of these reviews care about price tag it's never mentioned because they get these games for free or it costs them absolutely next to nothing so they think it's OK
@@gamerguru2924 Kind of like most reviewers and hardware/PC performance... "works great on the 3090" and I'm thinking "well I hope so, but what about something affordable?".
In addition, bungie has more money than ever, they aren’t working from home and Covid has largely been over for a long time, they had more good faith from the community and they’ve had years and years to find their stride after leaving activision. There’s always been a bit of an excuse for bungie, but right now they have it going so well for them and they decide to squander all of the community goodwill and milk us for cash for one of the most meager expansions ever seen.
Bro? It’s literally 40$ that’s including the season. Did you even check the description on the purchases????? 100$ is for the yearly pass which is not needed since you can purchase as you go or skip a season if it’s shit
@@lukeX2m Honestly that sounds horrible... $100 for a "yearly pass"? Shouldn't the expansion itself be the yearly pass? An expansion with "optional" content that inflates the cost to $100 is truly absurd for most players. Definitely feels like a money racket
for me, the scene in LOTR where Faramir asks his father if he wishes Boromir had lived and he had died. it is what I feel about Nimbus and Rohan.
Nimbus: 'If I should return, think better of me fanbase'
Fanbase: 'That would depend on the manner of your return...'
lol good comparison
@@ripvanwinkle6557BARS
Agreed. If you swap the two, not only does the story become more compelling, because we would have a true dillema and Rohan's time is nearing his end, but we also don't have a goofy character. I liked Rohan.
@@leroyrodgers6089 and Rohan had that salt and pepper beard and jaw line
The biggest sin for me is that this is the single most expensive expansion yet, priced at least at 50 to 100 dollars depending on the version, and it's also the most bare bones of the major yearly releases. One strike, one empty patrol location, a number of reskinned weapons, one subclass, one raid, and a story mode that, by Bungie's own admission, isn't actually finished and will be fleshed out in--you guessed it--paid for seasonal content over the course of the next year. So, what, 50 bucks doesn't even net you a complete story with a coherent plot? Remember when Taken King had 8 new Crucible maps, 4 new strikes, over 20 new exotics, 26 story missions, new subclasses for all 3 classes, a new location that introduced enticing new world mechanics, and an overall improvement to the game's background systems? That was 40 dollars. Now 50 dollars gets you a percent of a percent of that much content, and an absolutely glacial patch team; it's been over a year since Bungie said they'd look into the frame rate affecting gameplay and it's worse than ever.
This is all in light of the recent GDC presentation Bungie gave wherein they fully admitted to designing Destiny as a minimally viable product that is purpose built to condition players to expect less for more year on year, and it's a trend that's held since Shadowkeep and it's subsequent expansions started forcing players to buy more and more content that used to come bundled with a 40 dollar price tag. They did at one point say we shouldn't expect expansions on the level of Forsaken again, but this is insane; there's barely anything in here and that so many people are cool with it that would otherwise rightfully be angry tells me that Bungie's Pavlovian conditioning is working.
i want off mr's bungie's wild ride
Well said. They're asking for more and delivering far less. They have completely ignored 66% of what THEY themselves refer to as'the core playlists'. That and all the reskinned loot is a slap in the face. Not forgetting reusing all the vex Season of the Splicer map packs. Im fully convinced they only wrote the Vex into the storyline so it would save them time making totally new locations. I don't have an issue with them reskinning some loot, or reissuing some old classics amongst the new seasonal loot to pad it out a bit (for 10 dollars/euros thats fine). That should NEVER happen in the comet DLC however where they are charging top dollar.
Most Destiny players (me included) are to addicted to the Game. Or It is like this toxic Girlfriend you have who you can have good times with but actualy treats you very bad. They really lost me with this expansion...
For the price point it doesn’t offer much.
That and they repackaged D1 as free 2 play in D2. Like why would I get back into a game I’ve literally payed and played before. The removal of content I payed good money for makes me not want to spend money again. I love Destiny and the gameplay but they wont get my money with business tactics like that.
The Strand shields on enemies actually make sense, because it doesn't mean that they have Strand abilities, it means they have a *weakness* against Strand. Their shields were made resistant against all elements *except* Strand because Calus didn't expect us to wield this new unknown power.
That doesn’t make sense though because the shield is still made out of strand
Isn't the idea of the shields that you are overloading them which is why the matching color works as well as it exploding when matched.
It's made of strand that's why it's green.
@@AidenAlias i don't know, who told you that idea?
I do think this expansion is the nail in the coffin for bringing in new players. After just playing for free, I got the Witch Queen BECAUSE I had faith that Bungie were confident and were providing well. To any outsider this stumble just further solidifies that Bungie are always tripping over for every stride they make.
Hopefully after the saga is done, they can build something accessible.
Lmao. The entirety of destiny is the light vs dark. Thats just copium. What makes you think they can make a better story when their side stories are just as terrible? Its not about the content, its the execution. And they will over their own feet light vs darkness story or not.
@@teamsabre4 if you think that the main campaign of the witch queen, or any of the seasons in witch queen were poorly written, you must be high af, the only problem I could see is the way they are presented, but the writing itself is solid
As a new player about a year ago I was completely lost, and this feels even worse. Anyone who says the new player experience isn’t bad is a clown. I’m just gonna wait for d3 or something similar for a fresh start, because I’m out of patience for this game
@@WrathofArchon The Witch Queen is OK. It's nowhere near as great as the fans make it look. The same way they completely overrated Forsaken and it's pathetic "campaign", that consisted of killing 5 bosses that looked alike and had no character development at all. It had no plot.
Even though the setup for TWQ was good, what you call "execution" was still lacking. And in video game storytelling, execution matters perhaps even more than good writing itself. If you can't present you story in a way the public can engage with, it's pretty much the same as having all the lore in a book. It's like saying a movie has a great writing, but it's poorly shot, directed and acted.
What Destiny calls a campaign is a bunch of isolated missions that constantly break immersion, instead of a cohesive narrative. Main missions feel like secondary quests, forcing players to "kill 50 enemies and collect 50 bullshit items". Repeating the same paths and rooms. All of them consist of: teleporting to somewhere - following a path so linear it feels like a Crash Bandicoot level - kill a bunch of generic enemies - Kill a generic boss - grab a macguffin - get teleported out - get another loading screen to present this macguffin to a NPC that stands still and do nothing for the entirety of the campaign. Rinse and repeat.
@@CringeLord0119 The Destiny community don't care about new players. They were OK with Bungie removing locations and campaigns, basically because, they themselves have already played it. Them Bungie ads a shitty intro quest line and Beyond Light campaign that was painful.
"The only thing we have to break here is you".
The guy in the video calls this A tier campaign.
Great review. I feel the OST wasn’t given enough credit. Bungie and Salvatori really delivered for this instalment and I’m sure the final shape will sound equally excellent.
i have seen near universal acclaim for the music and audio department since launch, which is nothing new. the art teams (visual and auditory) always kill it in destiny
Salvatori absolutely carrying ngl. Softened the blow of some disappointing encounters and such. Like man say what you will about Roots difficulty but squaring up on Nezarec while the choir swells is kickass.
Helps I was running Stronghold Lament and taking a traditional MMO tank role by being dedicated aggro holder. Parrying his blows and being the wall for my team with the kickass encounter theme was near euphoric.
@@draysmusicalshtposts6340 If not for Salvatori and the art team, I'd have abandoned Destiny 2 in Shadowkeep. Funnily enough, it was also when I came back after leaving before RoI. Lightfall is a mess. Pretty to look at, beautifully musical, but a tone-deaf mess in story and some gameplay aspects (Threadrunner SUCKS. Everything it does, I can do better as Revenant or Nightstalker)
The music is AWESOME. That main Lightfall theme and all its variations just sticks in my head all the time, I love it.
Yes audio and music is fantastic
I think Lightfall is passable, but considering the performance the team showed with witch queen, I find it to be comparatively a failure. I’ve really lost trust in the management at bungie for pushing this one out before it was done
Yeah, Lightfall was meant to be the “but wait, there’s more!” moment to follow WQ for me.
same thoughts. for a live service, its the least of my expectations, unfortunately.
I really enjoyed WQ. I have barely played D2 last year and was kinda looking to get back into it with Lightfall. But considering the reception and its price I'm gona hold off.
The expansion itself is good. Stop complaining. “I lost trust in the devs.” So dumb.
the more i play it the more disappointed i feel. much of it like the weird range in difficulty and story does not feel like intentional design but of a rushed development team trying to cobble an extension to a live service product together last minute. like i love the idea of greater base difficulty, but this feels more like a bug than the tightly honed bungie gameplay we've come to expect.
every time i get one shot by a thresher at 10 over the activity of light level makes me wonder what the hell is going on.
Your overall sympathy to Destiny reinforces my idea that everyone has their live service game they'll die defending, even great critics!
i can agree that this definitely was a lot lighter on criticism than i've heard from others but i thought it was interesting to hear what he thought of it, he offered some new takes and highlighted some trade offs that he thought were worth it, like the movement away from strikes and playlist activities.
He even started already saying " It's not thaaaat bad, guys!" while refering to the current discourse.
Stuff like this is pretty common. No one is 100% reliable and you should always be consciously using your brain to at least some extent.
Liking something goes a long way so what
@@BrainWasherAttendentWhen you’re a game reviewer and you critique other games for predatory micro-transactions but then praise and fawn those same elements in the game you love. It’s not a good look.
@@ExtraRaven_ Oh I absolutely agree. Ralph never just throws his hands up, even when he's apologetic he's honest. I appreciate his coverage of this game because it's in-depth and clearly personal.
I just think it's important to note he - like ANY other person - has a vested interest in something being good, in not being a waste of time.
I think Guardians of the Galaxy did an amazing job of introducing a new villain and conveying to the player that this is a threat, a huge threat. It was a point in the campaign where I genuinely felt hopeless and did not know how the characters were gonna make it out of their situation. Amazing writing.
I don't play Destiny, but I've watched every Destiny video on skill up multiple times, and was looking forward to this since I heard about it.
Remember the boat analogue intros?
Same.
Question - Why do you watch them multiple times if you don't play? What is it about SkillUp's Destiny videos that interest you despite not being interested in the game itself?
should try if given a chance since its ftp, great experience.
@@ProfessuhLemon Parasocial relationship
I honestly think story line wise swapping the story of the Seasonal campaign with the story campaign would have really improved the experience
I think that's why they sold the season with the DLC, however I agree why put key characters in the main DLC opening cutscene to never see them? If Lightfall had you on Earth after the main events of the DLC of Neptune, different characters could react to Strand and we could see it appear across the planets and in certain parts of pve e.g. strikes for everyone to use for a short time.
For example, in the opening cutscene Amanda is presumed dead. If we went through the DLC to then find her alive, it would be more impactful than just part of a seasonal story.
From what I see this game has a bad story Not even they don't know what to do with it 🤣😂
@@_ghostly_ I think characters appeared in that cutscene but not the game because Lightfall was cobbled together. Originally Bungie was making Beyond Light - Witch Queen - Lightfall, but they decided to make one more expansion in the Final Shape, so it looks like they moved all of the original Lightfall content to Final Shape. A good hint towards this is that if you splice together the opening and closing cutscenes in Lightfall they appear to have originally been one cutscene
@@iulixMAXgames exactly. a lot of things in the story go unexplained and they still want to act like its a story driven experience. no one who plays looter shooters wants an absolutely story driven experience. i would take the story that "we are guardians protecting earth from invading alien species and factions with our power of the light given to us by the traveler" and have every expansion be its own self-contained story of facing a certain faction vs it being a continuing storyline that has to end. because with it being the storyline, as you can already see, a lot of older content has either been completely removed from the game or are so easy and offer absolutely no rewards that there is no point in doing them. if the expansions were their own self-contained story, the old content could still stay relevant while still maintaining difficulty and keeping a huge arsenal of weapons and gear. but no. this game is live service hell. mostly everything from more than 2 expansions ago is completely irrelevant and we keep getting a shrinking pool of content to enjoy. and i still don't understand how destiny is about fighting off a universe full of space factions and the darkness yet there are only 4-5 actual enemy factions. how about expanding and adding more enemy factions with new mechanics instead of just throwing like 1 new mechanic on an old faction? there is a whole universe that we haven't even explored outside of the solar system except for a few planets. yet they keep using already existing planets instead of just coming up with planets themselves, which would give them more options and diversity to work with. its just all so confusing that im surprised this is still coming from the company that made the best halo games.
That's not entirely true sometimes the story really shines sometimes it's underwhelming and confusing I suppose it's the nature of a live game that tells a drawn out story over a decades worth of expansions
My thoughts 30 seconds in: "Oh god he likes it."
Calus deserved a third phase in his nightmare realm. It's so disappointing the lack of callbacks to the original Leviathan raid.
It truly feels like a disservice, dude deserved a bit more love.
Hour long Lightfall Review from Skillup. Straps in for a good time.
Man I loved bungie’s halo. I’ve wanted to love destiny since the first game came out. You said something in this review that perfected captures why I can’t. “… a more positive sentiment now. But only for those that stuck with it.”
It seems like that’s the case with 75% of the stuff they’ve put out for destiny. I don’t want to have to spend hours digging to get to the good stuff and as much as the world of destiny interests me, I just can’t crack that hard shell. Especially now that I’ve been away from the game for years.
I was the same way. Destiny 1 was the last game I preordered. It was so bad it changed my life forever.
@@ebenezerspludge8369 I miss playing bungie shooters and I’m excited for them to finish destiny just so I can give them another chance with their next game. But I’ll never pre order anything again either.
@@Pumba424 Yeah, I think Bungie will just do another Destiny since they are making so much money on it. I hope they try something different, but I doubt it.
Destiny is so far from halo tho. At this point it’s an fps, co-op, mmo. It’s ONLY fun with friends and if you’re not into mmo games at all you’re never going to like destiny. That’s just the kind of game it is. You kinda just have to enjoy the gameplay to a certain level to get into the game otherwise its not enough to stick with it.
@@lukebent7317 you really think that this is just a matter of genre?
Destiny cope is a helluva drug
The mission design for the DLC was medicore compared to what Witch Queen offered. Barely any mission is really memorable except for the final one. When I think of the missions i'm like "there is that tank one, oh and the first one, and the one in Calus' ship" and thats it.
Honestly, I think the issue with the campaign is that Bungie has failed to leverage the underlying philosophical questions they are posing with each expansion.
Beyond Light: If we wield Darkness, what does that mean for our righteousness?
Witch Queen: If being chosen by Ghosts isn't some sign that we are a sort of holy warrior of the light raised to defend mankind as we thought, than what exactly are we? Leaning on adoption of darkness in BL, we now have two sides in a conflict that used to be light vs dark both using light and dark.
There are a number of directions they could have taken with Lightfall following this line of questions. But instead we got suprise new human city, you weren't the last but despite the Last City filling with a larger and more diverse population, we have two dudes. Also, our plot is basically get new darkness ability and defend the "veil".
We are playing out a conflict between good and evil where I don't know what either side is fighting for. What does The Witness want? Not sure, could make guesses but it's not really clear in game. What does the traveller want? No clue, we learned in WQ that it's light blessing is not reserved for us so we can't really say it's on our side.
There is so much interesting content in this game that has either been ignored (the entire pocket universe of Awoken and there true storyline is unknown to casual players as example). It sucks to see them go down this route and just fumble it.
SkillUp, I would challenge you to consider that Neomuna was NEVER designed around strand. Instead, look at the throne world and the "deep sight" platforms. I would suggest that deep sight was a fix for the environment they made for strand.
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Strand was not made for the Witch Queen as they were reworking old subclasses. But even if we exclude this fact, and take on the only argument, they say, "the location is ideal for Strand": in this case, we can say that strand should have appeared in TTK at all, because with invisible platforms at that time it would "fit perfectly."
And I don't see the point for further speculation, because both DLCs, how to say so... have already been released?
@@DanKitagawa Joe Blackburn confirmed that new subclass was in development before the Witch Queen and they had to postpone it
@@JadeGreenCanary Can't find this information anywhere
@@DanKitagawa look harder, its a fact they pushed back the 3rd subclass from witch queen
@@JadeGreenCanary I believe I remember him saying that in one of the interviews about Witch Queen but I can't remember exactly where he said it. I do know he said for a fact that he and the team were more concerned about the Light subclasses first before putting out another Darkness class.
I’ll be real: Neomyna gives me slight New Mombasa vibes with the Shadow Legion patrols and you getting into impromptu firefights with them, it’s neat.
Dude, I swear to God me and a buddy thought the exact same thing
What is New Mombasa?
@@markmurex6559 the city in Halo 3 ODST
nowhere near as much charisma as new mombasa had. geometry is way too basic and bland in neomuna they just slapped bright colors on it
What the heck i thought the same
They really got away with charging $100 for this.
Played the first couple years or so and I loved the grind and everything about the game back then. I don't think I could ever jump back into it now with time constraints but love watching your content anyways!
I'm going to watch this entire hour because I find this relationship fascinating, between a predatory live service game and an otherwise fantastic reviewer who happens to be addicted to it.
Basically, me too
Truly fascinating. Really value SkillUp’s opinions on every other game, but with his Destiny reviews I’m immensely entertained hearing all the logic hoops he jumps through to convince us it’s a good game haha. (Production quality being top notch doesn’t hurt either!)
ETA: one thing I will always appreciate about Destiny though is the lore, and I will say these vids gets me itching for some lore deep dives on a regular basis.
@@osmiumwraith6552 I haven't watched the video all the way through at the time of writing this but I find it so f-ing hilarious how disingenuous Skill Up is really sounding when talking about how mad people are about the difficulty changes and everything with his justification of, "Well, I don't feel the difference so it must be fine." I like Skill Up on most of his reviews but this one is a situation where he's somehow more addicted to D2 than I am and he's sounding not much different from one of those, "Sounds like a skill issue," type people I despise so much.
I doubt either of us needs to be a world class chef to understand adding 30 different spices and sauces to a steak makes it very difficult to figure out why the steak tastes bad.
I was holding off on lightfall due to disappointing seasons last year (the pirate one was where I stopped even though I had full year pass)… was thinking about just getting lightfall expansion with no season passes but doesn’t look like it’s worth it. Thanks for the review :)
You’re so lucky. Wish I bought the standard edition and waited a bit to see if the seasons are worth or not but I got too excited bcuz of how fkn good bungie’s marketing techniques is so I just went and wasted my money on the seasonal pass. Hopefully it does get better😞
did you miss out on season of Seraph?
@@luk4aaaa I did.. it looked good but even though I had access I skipped it as I found the other seasons so pointless / repetitive. I guess you only know it’s good towards the end of the season unfortunately!
@@dave123443210 damn that sucks. Yeah the season was great with 3 really good craftable weapons (Ikelos smg, fire and forget, the void machine gun 900rpm) and also good content. Hope you find some fun in the game again tho!
good review, but as someone who luckily managed to snap out of D2, one of the main problems I still see about it is the whole consoomerisim of the fanbase. Nowhere in this 1 hour long video the price for this expansion is mentioned (it's 50 bucks for anyone who is curious, i looked it up)
yep.
He doesn't mention it because he's a corporate clown.
I think the raid might have been developed with the in game lfg in mind, an experience designed for people that might finally give end game content the chance and not be overwhelmed.
The sweaties have hard mode anyway.
See the flaw in this argument is that this is LIGHTFALL'S raid.
Our civilization is on the brink of destruction and our god is under attack.
We have already lost the first battle in the campaign and now we're bringing the fight to one of their flagships.
We are fighting someone heralded as the god of pain, a living legend from our allies and enemies alike. All inside of a pyramid ship.
If you wanted a tutorial raid, bring back Crotas end. He'll VoG is an amazing place for raiders to start. But if they actually thought that Lightfall was a good place to put a training wheel raid then I believe we're in for a rough ride come final shape.
VoG is literally public event : the raid. It's right there free for all and is the quintessential beginner raid. We do not need more beginner raids. New players do not buy the $100 expansion that keep Bungie's light on. Raid is pinnacle content & players should strive to overcome their challenge & complete it. It should not be the other way around where the raid is aspiring to be as dumbed down as possible to let as many people in. People should have to be serious to complete a raid, it should not be a joke that anyone can do like RoN is.
They could easily downgrade one of the older raids and even make it a part of "gateway quest for newcomers" to introduce them do raiding.
Instead they created the laziest NEW raid possible when you are rewarded for ignoring half of mechanics.
This is level of content that we used to get from dungeons...
Chances are the Orignal raid got stuffed into Final Shape with everything else, so they pulled this out of their ass as fast as they could. Little time to design semi complicated mechanics.
Congrats on making a Destiny retrospective documentary out of an expansion review. Genuinely great work.
You havent even watched half the video 💀
@@Bullzi009 wut? I watched the whole thing. He covered how each section has evolved over time, from Subclasses, to story, to PvP, to mods, etc. What are you talking about?
With destiny 2 I feel like we always waiting, waiting for something new and great and it never happens
But I still love this game and keep playing lol
Great review! Superb job of highlighting pain points and extolling appropriately.
My Short term immediate fix: commendations/ranks
Long term: delete gambit, fix power paradigm for raids and other content, and give some love to strike and crucible playlists
The boat hit a bit of a small iceberg. Not enough to sink it, but enough to cause pause to check on the state of the ship.
apt comparison
That's a great comparison and let me add further to it: When people went to look at the state of the ship, they found that there's quite a few dents that could very quickly cause a massive leak and Bungie is ordering people to fix it with duct tape and plywood on a metal ship. Might work for the time being but you might need to rip out that chunk of the ship and replace it next time you get to a seaport.
I always watch these videos with a soft hope that it will get me into the game, but sadly it continues to show that it isn't great if you haven't been playing the whole time. Thorn will forever be my favourite firearm in any game and I remember it fondly from my Destiny 1 days.
Fr, even Warframe which is also difficult af to get into was far easier and better to start than D2
If you're looking for an MMO experience but are bored of traditional MMOs then destiny is easily one of the best.
If you're looking for a shooter looter, keep looking.
You need the right expectations when going into destiny. It is one of the very few successful live service games that isn't a branded as an MMO (even though it is one), and that alone should tell you how good it can be, being successful in a field where almost every live service game dies. But you need to go in with the mindset that it will be a grind, and it's supposed to be a social MMO experience, and you don't play an MMO for the story.
Ace of Spades babyyyy
Thorn is pretty cool tho
@@christopherlyndsay8611 Fucking EVE is easier to get into than D2. Bungie literally gives new players 10 minutes of tutorial and drops them into orbit with dozens of options and practically zero guidance. Even returning players like myself feel overwhelmed. I tried getting into back the game with Witch Queen but even after dozens of hours I felt like my item level was extremely hard to increase even though I was well below the minimum for the latest content (that I'd paid for). Hell, I still don't know how I'm supposed to get to the late/end-game content.
@@MyNameIsSalo Really, really bad take. That's just a way of trying to explain away the game not being fun. I had over 1200 hours in Destiny 2 before I had had enough of how grindy it became. I'm aware that the grind is necessary, but the amount of it in Destiny 2 is excessive.
Re the commendation screen, when looking at the breakdown table page you can click on the little star to the left of their name to commend them without having to go back to the player summary screen.
37:52 awesome detail of ehen he said disconnecting and then the windows disconnected sound plays
SkillUp: releases 15 minute review for completely new game
Also SkillUp: does an entire feature length review for one regular expansion for a game that's been out for years
That’s the power of Destiny 😎
That's why they call him ShillUp, I guess :)
I wish they would make a “master chief collection" of destiny. D1 all the way to the end of this. Everything vaulted to the end. With less grinding, just to roll through the entire story end to end. I’ve missed so much, but I know I can’t replay what ive missed, so it’s hard for me to jump into new.
As someone who's wanted to jump into Warframe, I feel that sentiment so much. There should be something that allows people to play the story end to end and let people feel like they're a part of the game, not just someone who jumped in and has little context to what's going on.
Wanted to know your thoughts about changes to the crafting system, surprised you didn't mention it in this review
Truly the first strand-type game
This DLC has made me realise that bungies best work has almost always had the Hive involved, i.e. taken King and witch queen.
Why that is I'm not sure, I think potentially because the big boss Hive have voice actors (and REALLY good ones)? I also think the Hive are just a really really interesting race to have as adverseries- was hoping the witness would have joined the hive in being a really cool villain but we just weren't given enough to chew on after the opening cinematic unfortunately.
Nope just the coincidence. Forsaken was not hive related and it was the best expansion we ever got and probably ever will..
RON is genuinely the first time I think the raid team didnt live up to the expectations. On the other side, the art team completly pop off, like holy fuck, RON is the most unique/beatiful place I've ever seen
I took a screenshot because I loved it so much.
Yeah mechanically the raid feels very undercooked in certain encounters. Like in the first two encounters only two people have actual roles while in the third encounter more people have roles the roles themselves are so simple that it still feels unsatisfying. Then in the final boss encounter you have 2 people doing mechanics again while another player just shoots Nez a couple times
It seems like it was originally a dungeon that got repurposed for a raid
Yeah but everyone has perfect and overpowered guns now. We can sunset them if you guys want it harder for you again to put you on an equal footing with casuals or new players.
@@Riavan I play only during expansions, what do you mean perfect guns? I had random guns and I didnt die to normal ads once. God rolls make no diference unless its dps checks or really chunky health barrs (of wich there is none in this raid). So even if you sunset "overpowered weapons" this raid would still be easy when it comes to combat
Nothing in this review makes me interested in returning to this game. Nevertheless, TY for doing it. Your work, dedication and passion come through every time. I am grateful for it. :)
It's not worth it.
The strikes and crucible playlist were the heart of Destiny 1s loop for me personally and seeing it be taken out back and shot gives me that uneasy feeling. Running home for weekly reset and grinding strikes and nightfall was just really great.
God in destiny 1 those were just such…unambiguous joy. I’ve never felt anything like the fluid chaos of destiny 1’s crucible playlist
Strikes were my favorite part of destiny
By the end of destiny 1 everyone was sick of the vanguard playlist and saying this same stuff 😂 the nostalgia goggles are insane. We were only in strikes more often because it was one of like three things to do
@@aeneas116116the strike playlist now is significantly more fun than it was back then. Are you serious? Take off the nostalgia goggles
Yea the greatest day of gaming in my life was when I escaped D2 immediately before it went f2p. It's such a husk of its former self. And as of now a lot of the hard-core clan member I was apart of has finally realized too. Game sucks ass
No matter how an expansion is I always love to see a Skillup D2 review
Nails it at 4:20 (nice) I wanted to be able to take Witch Queen and Lightfall and say, “See? This is what you are missing! Two fantastic stories releasing one year apart, don’t tell me Destiny sucks!”
But I’m left with, “yeah, it’s not great, but other things have released worse for more money than $40-$50”
Edit 2: 27:27 I feel like it’s worth mentioning that Neomuna is “technically” the first location we can access our vault in-game without a loading screen. Sure it’s essentially a social space, but it’s quicker to get to than the HELM or tower. My theory is that this is a test for a future update/release for either a Steam Deck or cloud-based mobile version of Destiny 2 specifically so people don’t have to switch back and forth between apps.
i havent touched destiny since Y5S3 and seeing the disappointment with lightfall's campaign the last bits of my desire to play the ame have now gone up in smoke. if lightfall was as good as witch queen i def wouldve picked up atleast the base dlc, but looks like its a waste of money
@@DSkulle1 same, case here. i was eager returning back.
I have 6000+ hours from D1 Alpha all the way to D2 Witch Queen...Destiny absolutely is a very nothing repetitive game that can suck at it's lowest and at it's highest makes you love singular moments in the game, but overall, it's just meh and for the money it costs to go from D1 Alpha to D2 Witch Queen, I'd of rather spend that money on 10 new, different games than the experiences I've had through Destiny, which again sucks that I can put $500+ into 1 game, 6000 hours and feel like I'd rather put that money into 10 random titles instead and get more out of that than Destiny, that's not a "see what your missing" game, its a warning not to invest.
@@CB-lw7ty Same type of story here with me starting in the D1 beta because 1 of my friends happened to get a code to the beta they could share with someone else and they gave it to me. Lightfall has really kicked the rest of any desire I had to play it because it's equivalent to them adding 30 different spices and sauces to the steak and not knowing why the steak tastes bad. I don't think either of us need to be world class chefs to know why that's a problem.
It also doesn't help that my usual raid team is so dysfunctional and everything anyways that we're constantly low manning raids and it makes all of the raids I do outright unenjoyable. Too much stress having to worry about if I have enough damage and never feeling like I have enough damage just because I don't use starfire protocol warlock.
My answer at this point with D2 is, "Why worry about not having enough damage and stress mysefl out in that regard when I could not play the game anymore?" I may love the basic gameplay and everything of D2 but Bungie is constantly making it hard for me to really play the game the way *I* want to play.
Maybe a important point to look at are the lightfall weapons are all reskinned weapons from previous expansions. Yet despite that, they increased the pricing of the expansion.
I'm pretty sure Nezarec was supposed to be able to hit you on plates, hence his lower health. I suspect you're supposed to hit him while running from him, but the pathing is either broken or not up to par
So happy to see this is an hour. I don’t even play Destiny but I love the way Skill Up breaks things down, especially things he’s passionate about.
Same here lol
An hour of excellent entertainment? Sign me up!
I love to do food videos while smoking weed on my RUclips channel, to cure people’s boredom 💀
for an hr vid, yea.
Yeah same. I don't play Destiny but I love watching his Destiny videos. They're very well made and I at least get to enjoy the pretty graphics and artstyle.
Same. I have always been fascinated by this game but as Ralph has mentioned many times, in its current state it's not newbie friendly. So I am not touching it again.
But I still love listening to Ralph talk about a game that he is so passionate about and I think we are all our fans of how brilliantly he breaks things down.
So I always look forward to his Destiny Reviews. It's fun to learn about the game's current state vicariously through his reviews.
Nimbus is the Jar Jar Binks of the Destiny universe. Congrats Bungie, you did what no one wanted ever.
Love your level headed review, keep it up!
I agree with most of your video. The concept of Gambit has hope...not much mind you. I think overall you hit it all on the money. I always look forward to your takes on Destiny
I enjoy your thorough reviews, and insights on game development that I watched a 1hr review on a game I don't play, or plan to play. I'm here just for the excellence you bring to the table.
I'm here for the same. Never played the game, never will. At this point I'm just on his journey
🤡
@@JaradDeLorenzo 🤡🤡
When I imagine the Destiny 2 development process, I see a wall full of colourful post-it notes with interconnecting strings and timelines leading up to the end of the Light vs Darkness saga. After the reception of Beyond Light, I feel like there was a major re-shuffling of these notes in order to accommodate player feedback on the game systems and also close out the multifaceted story in a satisfactory way. Lightfall is a victim of this shuffle because it introduces so many quality of life changes, closes the story arc of two of the biggest villains (Calus and Nezarec), but ultimately leaves the main story arc on a huge cliffhanger. Similar to TV Shows like X-Files and LOST, they've answered a bunch of questions but left us with many more. It's a live service game though, so there's always time to patch and course correct before the finale. Despite feeling kinda bereft at the end of Lightfall, I'm intrigued and optimistic about the future seasons and Final Shape.
imagine telling someone from 2007 that bungie's weak point is pvp
And story… how could you not mention that?
I just feel like I’ve done all of this, thousands of times already, since 2014.
There is nowhere near enough “new” in this expansion to bring me back.
I'm currently enjoying my time with Lightfall, but I agree that the story fell short of expectations after how good Witch Queen's story was. While I'm looking forward to seeing how the story unfolds through the seasonal content, I'm a bit annoyed that we we have to rely on it to fill holes and answer questions that could've easily been brought up, or even just mentioned, in the main campaign (the Veil being the main thing, followed by why everyone thinks the Traveler is "gone").
for me, it's the price tag. You can't tell me that this expansion is worth nearly as much as a AAA title, and that's not including the annual pass, and forget it if you're a new player trying to pick up the game for the first time.
The monument for Cayde is a nod at the fact that - they killed him off as a sign that the serious stuff was coming….
Then we got nimbus.
I will grant that the raid feels simple and easy to everyone I talk to.
I have not been able to find a fireteam of 6 people without one or more people who sound intelligent enough to hear them, but in gameplay prove that they have less than no game literacy, people that are, you can only hope, willfully - not just ignorant, but checked out. I'm terrified of being one of those people.
And that's how you spend 90+ minutes on the 2nd encounter letting a stranger try to complete the dark side of the puzzle through 20+ attempts. On Normal mode. I don't know how you keep going. I stopped wasting people's time when I tried to learn after less than 10 tries, knowing I can always try again another day.
This raid radicalized me against giving *any* raid group more than 90 minutes of my time. I have been very patient with peers and strangers for years, paying forward the time invested in me - but from now on? if anyone wants a clear from me, we do it in 90 minutes or less, and I'll LFG on my own time to finish up.
I quit destiny quite a while ago but ive always kept up with the game through my friends who play it, and through these videos.
I really miss Destiny but I think i moved on from it for good.
Destiny has so much promise and potential for amazing gameplay and story but we are nearly a decade in at this point, and its still just promise and potential
Thanks a lot man your Destiny Reviews are part of my personal highlights for the year of Destiny ^^. I also like how you really have a good grasp and observation on game design generally when speaking about destiny an expertise you don't really see anywhere else within the community imo :).
Skill up, I really like your writing. Thank you for it and also the time and effort you spend on your reviews.
The in-game lfg system was never meant to release with lightfall, when they annoucned it they said it would be coming the same year and lightfall and that they hope to have it out before the reprised raid this year. However, it has now been delayed to the season after that raid
I recently started playing this game for the first and I was so confused with the mission layout. I still have no idea what the main quest is, if there even is one. And after watching this video, I realize I played part of lightfall thinking it was the main quest line
As a fellow closeted destiny player, I always appreciate your reviews. Thank you for speaking on behalf of us, shillup
Is there some kind of inside joke that I'm missing? I've seen people use "shillup" ironically and unironically, and then there's times like this where it just seems like a spelling mistake with no punchline lmao. It's way too common to be a coincidence, and I feel like I'm going crazy everytime I see it.
@@genericgamer2836 haha yeah sorry he calls himself this frequently in his 'this week in gaming' videos. Just a joke, he's not really a shill 😁
@Cody Ah I see, thought I was going crazy lol
On the “suspend vs freeze” argument, I have to mention that freeze works on boss targets and adds a lot of extra damage while suspend does nothing to bosses.
Also, on the legendary weapon thing, it takes 4 headshots from a 120 hand cannon to kill a regular cabal on Neomuna. That’s too many imo
Suspend does a burst of damage to bosses and can proc fragments and aspects, but I prefer stasis as well
The hopelessly enthralled and huffing copium bit is so very accurate now. Y'all will take anything bungie gives while taking in that Hopium. Same way it was for world of warcraft
There's nothing wrong with lightfall lmao. Not every DLC needs a banger campaign, some of us like other stuff 💀I care a lot more about the gameplay and activities than the story.
@@blackmamba3060 It needs to be a banger when it costs that much, stop shilling for Bungie. Even Bungie doesn't shill for itself anymore.
@@fish5645 How is it shilling, some of us just don't care about the campaign. Everyone is enamored with witch queen but witch queen post launch had very little content outside the campaign.
@@blackmamba3060 "There's nothing wrong with lightfall"
Mostly negative on Steam. Hm.
I just want to say thank you for being a destiny player that understands some of the raids are convaluted and that at the same time that doesn't mean they are bad.
I feel like everyone hates the raids and strikes. They only play them to get better gear to play them again. But when I talk to people that have completed any raid they never describe it as a “fun” experience. I even argued with someone who ultimately admitted they only play to get better gear to play to get better gear….and that the journey wasn’t any fun.
Man, I really want to try out a raid someday. It looks like so much fun but I don't have friends that play destiny and the absence of matchmaking for more than half of the content sucks
@SpaceBird what are LFGs?
Get discord, get on destiny 2 LFG, put in the raid chat its your “1st run willing to learn”
@@Tallmedicbro thank you for letting me know
Same here. Also, I'm too old to be doing all of that.
@@markmurex6559 i have a 24 hour call job and I have extremely unpredictable hours. If I got time you have time, even with age:)). Takes a few clicks and you are good to go!
Ahhh, it's this time again. When I've still never even played Destiny nor Destiny 2, but here I am, watching an hour long video by our man Ralph on it and I don't even know why. That's how good the content is.
I like the difficulty change generally, they just cranked the dial a bit too hard IMO. Strikes and patrols might feel a bit better as -5 or -10 rather than -15, and legendary difficulty was fine at the pinnacle cap rather than 20 over it. For example, why is there a 60 level difference btwn hero and legend nightfalls, and only 10 btwn legend and master?
Awesome as always. Great stuff.
Looking forward to this review. Need this meeting to end then I'm on it.
I guess it's a hot take but I was underwhelmed with strand, sure it's honestly broken on titan being able to suspend a whole room but that to me just takes away from combat and makes everything boring, again just to me I guess.
Everything else spot on as usual great vid!
@SpaceBird I totally understand and I know it can be strong I just don't think it offers something we don't have, ultimately the only new gameplay loop is a grapple with little to no advanced movement tech which allows almost no "mastery", unless there's something I haven't seen yet.
As a bonk hammer main I just feel underwhelmed by it. I know subclasses are supposed to be balanced between each other but other than a mediocre grapple and a boring suspend it kinda lacks personality for me?
I loved stasis titan so his speech about it brought a tear to my damn eyes now that I see how far it's fallen, because stasis changed up how the game was played substantially especially on titan, strand just lacks that imo. You can argue that has to do with how broken it was at launch which allows rose tinted glasses but that's the appeal about new stuff yknow.
@SpaceBird I will say I built away from the grapple as I felt it was extremely underwhelming so maybe that drained my fun, combo with the legend campaign experience and just not having fun with strand there I might say I'm being unfair, after trying it out for a couple days I just never got anything to stick in terms of fun, I'll see what I can do with 1-2 punch as I haven't tried that, I did try using my own weapons + a couple other loadouts I saw people taking about online so the cohesion probably wasn't strong.
I might also just be comparing it to solar too hard where it's supposed to be different not better. I can say I've built more into suspending than melee so that probably didn't help.
Thanks for ideas I'll try em out, I really do wanna love strand as much as I love stasis
Final Shape in less than 2 weeks and I’m all in on pre ordering that final SkillUp review.
The thing that killed lightfall was the marketing. We were marketed on this big story the big climax.. us losing. And we.. lost.. I think? We were also told neomuna was going to be this epic lively space which it isn't.. we were also marketed grappling hooks which yea we can grapple.. if you wanna wait like a minute between each grapple
Edit : if we were told that they needed more time to end the story so this story won't be on the same level as the juicy witch queen story, but this expansion focuses on many QoL improvements and gameplay improvements, then bungie wouldn't be in this situation they're in now where the threat of Sony taking over is looking more and more likely
If Nimbus finally cracks under pressure at one point and make the ultimate sacrifice I can see the story being pretty decent.
And have Rohan be a second Osiris in the story(desperate for another chance at raising a successor - he looks to the Guardian).
It still frustrates me how much better it could have been for both characters' arcs if Nimbus had gotten serious and sacrificed himself instead of Rohan, leaving Rohan to mentor Osiris in the way of the Cloud Striders.
@@Pattamatt1998 Yeah, instead he's made a douchebag for insulting Caiatl and her dad who just died. I can't imagine anyone wanting him to return in any future content.
It's nice to have a more mainstream reviewer that actually plays destiny quite a lot, you really hit the nail on the head with this video.
As a person who EXCLUSIVELY played gambit during my several years of playing Destiny 2, it greatly upsets me to hear how fallen off it has become.
Also, I'm a little peeved that you would just say "get rid of it" instead "make it better". That game mode was the ONLY good thing about PvP. I absolutely loved it. And I wish more shooters had interesting PvEvP game modes like it.
there is a tiny USB DISCONNECT windows sound effect when Shillup talks about disconnecting at 37:50. weldone!
I started playing with the Witch Queen coming out but the biggest thing that held me back, was that I didn't know the story. I swear you'd do such a great job at recapping the expansions for everyone to catch up. I could get used to the systems that are employed but I'm so lost on story lmao
That's because 99% of the story is not in the game anymore you have no choice but to watch hours worth of RUclips videos to have context on what's going on
The story is a disjointed mess. Always was.
@@mariobadia4553 it's pretty sad to see how badly the story has even affected by these choices. It's a silly way to keep people out. Which is why I say he could it butis it worth it? Probably not. It's the main thing that keeps me away.
@@markmurex6559 The messiest I've seen. I've had a friend try and catch me up but holy shit.
@@grimstirr just look at the timeline tab, it litterally tells you what happened in each dlc and season
Thanks for the review. I have been waiting for this. I have been playing Destiny 2 since launch. However, I took a break about 6 months ago. I miss playing Destiny, and I think it's time to jump in.
Side note. I am still waiting for Sekiro review ❤️
FYI you can commend players from the Full Results page, just click the star in the left-most column. the nice thing about this is you can commend players on the opposite team in crucible too. but yes, overall tying progression to commendations is a major misstep..
These Destiny reviews are always your best. The passion shows.
Absolutely love the professionalism of your reviews, best game journalist on RUclips without doubt! Keep it up Ralph!
For old solo players returning it was a horrible experience.
Bungie are too busy smelling their own farts and can't see the forest through the trees.
Edit: seriously as someone who gave up on Destiny 2 at its launch how am I meant to enjoy all these stories you are going on about? I can't find shit other than maybe the last 2 expansion which seem.. a bit boring to be honest.
Yep, new player experience is the same. Fucking hate it. It’s just horrible unfocused grind.
shoutout to the addition of the windows disconnect sound effect when you mention disconnecting commendations from guardian ranks
As a player who no lifed Destiny 1 and played D2 up to Forsaken, after watching this review I can firmly say I will never return to Destiny, which truly breaks my heart. When seasonal content was announced and content I had payed money for was vaulted, I was sure I wouldn't return until a DLC dropped that really swung for the fences. Lightfall seemed to be that DLC, and I was sure I'd finally have a reason to come back, but it seems like it would only disappoint me. I honestly feel like Bungie has left players like me behind in their quest to "feed the whales," so to speak. I greatly appreciate your detailed, honest, and well researched review. As it has happened many times, your work has saved me a lot of money and trouble, and I look forward to the next one!
The campaign story is incredibly mid, but all the QoL stuff is great and I think the seasonal quest lines this year will be solid. Although it made me wonder, when the final shape comes out, will everything be wrapped up in that expansions story? Or will we have to go through the 4 seasons of story arcs? Or could the seasonal story arcs lead to the next chapter of destiny l?
Remember, QOL features came out for everyone and not just dlc holders.
QoL isnt expansion specific and shouldnt be included in the expansion review imo.
@@porcin3proph3t4 No but it should be taken into account considering that stuff takes away dev time that could be used on the expansion. And even then, Lightfall isn’t even that bad .
I sincerely hope they stretch out the story over at least 2 permanently added seasons that culminate in a midyear raid that blows us all away. The last 1 or 2 seasons would be wrap up/aftermath as well as setup for the next adventure.
@@Sypitz 30:24
You’re giving a lot of credit to the expansion that came from the free update. I think it’s important to separate the two.
Yeah but the free updates are best enjoyed with the expansion, and the season is free.
I wanna see a hotswap (during the action) between your set light subclass and your set darkness subclass.
If the traveller is gone, how have the guardians kept their powers?
I've never completed a raid before. This makes me fancy a run
The theory that ron was a Dungeon but converted on the Raid makes so much sense
I agree with almost every minute point made in this video. It's obvious that Skill has a deep understanding of the game and the criticisms come from a place of 'wanting the game to be better'.
Excellent review.
Go see his paid review he did for cyberpunk lol
@@cynicalPixels what the hell does that have to do with the OPs comment?
Yo Skillup. I dropped D2 after I had grinded my head off during the launch. I felt there wasn't enough change between D1 and D2 to play any further. I've seen a bunch of Lightfall media and am now pretty interested. I have a problem however. Do I need to buy every dlc to play lightfall? or can I just buy Lightfall and go straight to that? I won't mind buying previous dlcs like Witch Queen but everything is a pretty steep ask.
On the topic of matchmaking, I'm kinda wondering how the new player-veteran player interactions go in terms of making parties. In a lot of MMO-style games, matchmaking is available for higher-level content. Players rarely use the queue system though due to vets not wanting to have their runs slowed down by new players with lower level gear/lack of experience.
Assuming Destiny 2 has similar situations with regards to the new player-veteran player stuff, Bungie might need to implement an incentive system to promote matchmaking when it does eventually come out.
I do know that Bungie is not aiming to add matchmaking for high end content like raids and nightfalls, just an LFG service. The issue of randoms with different goals getting put together is mitigated by just having a post specifying what is happening(sherpa run, kwtd quick run, challenge run, checkpoint farm). People already engage with all of these posts in existing LFG discord servers, and I'm hoping that translates to the wider community when it's made more accessible in future seasons.
The problem I have with Destiny, isn't this expansion or it's shortcomings. It's that we are always waiting for Bungie to "get it" and make something incredible and they never do.
We are still doing patrols? Really? Why? Why is that still an endgame activity. The "just you wait!" story telling is bad and they've been saying "oh just wait tell the REAL bad guy gets here!" for almost 7 years now.
They don't know what they are doing, they never have. Destiny is a great feeling shooter that they have never figured out how to make a whole game around and they aren't going to.
Yep.
I don't know man I think they really succeeded with the story in WQ, jumping the shark with Lightfall doesn't necessarily mean Bungie doesn't have the capabilities of telling a good story. It just means they shit the bed with this expansion, doesn't necessarily mean they can't return to telling good stories like they did with WQ. I don't know how they messed up Lightfall this much though that's beyond me.
@@yigzi4623 On the story side of them messing up Lightfall, the best theory I've heard is Final Shape and Lightfall were supposed to 1 big DLC and Bungie decided to split the baby (metaphorically) and rush Lightfall out for money. On the game play side, that part's simple: "You don't need to be a world class chef to know adding 30 different spices and stuff to a steak makes it hard to pin down what exactly made steak taste bad or good."
I played Destiny for its story, world and lore. Never have I felt more connected to the world, to my avatar as I did here. I had my Warlock, my subclass favourite, and then I went into. core playlist, secret missions, raids ets. I have covered every section of it before, and kept playing. At the end of last year I took a look at the game: I didn't connect with subclasses 3.0, core playlists are a shell of what they were, when it comes to seasonal content, while there is quality and quantity there, it often ends up feeling played out as we have grinded it out 1000000x over the course of a season, so when Battlegroudns join the playlist, I often groan I see them again. And now the narrative failures of this expansion. Bungie has stated that the Veil thing will be expanded upon during seasons and additions to Lightfall itself over the year. But that STILL doesn't mean. this was good and moving it to the part of the game I no longer enjoy won't bring me back. Destiny of yore had its fare share of problems, but I felt connected to it. This version of the game however feels like a railroad experience I do not want to be a part of. Play the season or nothing at all.
There are ppl out there who will enjoy this stuff, and honestly good for them/you, but I moved on. I check out reviews, I check out the lore and cutscenes, but other than that... Nope I'm out.
New players can't even enjoy the story because Bungie removed it from the game
@@mariobadia4553 Destiny guy shoots bad guys and saves the world type of story nowadays
Couldn't agree more. I'm an OG Destiny player and finally stepped away at the end of Nov & uninstalled it. I feel like Bungie has literally sold out. They could have ended this saga by now. Originally there wasn't supposed to be another expansion after Lightfall.
Bungie has dragged the franchise out way more than necessary, just like many TV series outlive their welcome. I think anyone that's still hanging on expecting they will get a satisfactory conclusion to this saga I think is going to end up sorely disappointed. Their sole job is to keep ppl hooked like drug addicts & make money.
It should be noted that Bungie does not announce in patch notes when they're updating the New Light experience. The Cosmodrome got changes to a few Lost Sectors with Witch Queen that went completely unnoticed by the general public, and even hardcore players probably only noticed the ramp leading up to that one LS near where the spider tank spawns. Similar to WQ, Lightfall DID see an update to the New Light experience, with the "Guardian Rises" quest being overhauled to include tutorials on how Aspects and Fragments work, as well as how each individual ability type works, while trickling those features through new sub-missions and tutorials that keep the player from being overwhelmed by how much there is going on in buildcrafting. It's still not perfect, but combined with the new Guardian Ranks structure DOES do a lot to help make the case that New Light onboarding is not anywhere near as bad as it was a few months ago.
I just wish Bungie would MENTION THESE THINGS in the patch notes, so I can tell my friends "Yeah, there's an actual tutorial now".
Still, the worst thing is still there, kidnapping new lights when they log back in and putting them right into the seasonal content/campaign. You have no idea what happens, you cannot possibly understand the story, and even if you finish the mission you are then greeted by a paywall. If you didn't plan on getting into D2, I bet 90% of people would just quit the game after the third out-of-context cutscene being thrown in their face.