Datto's First Impressions on Lightfall
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- I have played the campaign in a 3 person team on Legendary difficulty. I have done most of the steps to get the exotic glaive. I have experienced a good amount of Neomuna. I have played Berserker Titan for Strand. I have not messed with mods as much as I want to, nor have I re-built my armor sets. With all that being said, let's talk. Closed Captioning is currently processing, but it's a long video so it may take a while, sorry about that.
Introduction - 0:00
The Actual Launch - 1:23
The Campaign Gameplay - 1:57
The Campaign Story - 9:26
Mod System - 20:08
Strand - 22:22
Loadouts/Guardian Rank/Commendations - 24:25
Conclusion - 26:44
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The disconnect for me is that the whole vex side story on neomuna was the perfect way to get to know the cloudstriders and they just weren't there at all
Wow that’s actually a really good point/idea. I personally was pretty happy with almost everything in the DLC; but after reading that I am bummed we didn’t get something like that.
That should have been the season story and the witness story line should have been expanded more to answer some stuff in the dlc campaign. Would also give more room to better introduce strand in the dlc
Agreed. The Cloudstriders got almost nothing in terms of expanded lore. The fact that Nimbus mentions, AT THE END, that there's only 2 existing Cloudstriders at any given time felt like a slap to the face.
The fact that bungie said strand wont be like stasis as far as unlocking it and then made it the same is kind of a meme
@@Anangrygoose I don't know when you unlocked stasis, but maaaaan, strand is really fucking easy and straight forward to unlock compared to the bullshit "do 500 strikes and kill people in crucible" that stasis pulled.
I like how Datto was a little harsher than usual. It's absolutely needed. Bungies response to us getting no answers was: "Hey, buy the 4 seasons and we'll give em to ya!"
Absolutely insane...
He still so soft. It reeks of self serving cowardice. When Byf goes harder than you, you're baby shid.
@@bannedmann4469Fr bungie needs to understand this is not acceptable
@@bannedmann4469 90% of the complaints are story focused, which is just not his forte? Not sure how he's supposed to roast harder than Byf on stuff he doesnt specialize in
@@DerpsterIV What does he specialize in then? Gameplay? Then he's still too soft, one strike, mid location, terrible boss fight with no real mechanics. Or does he not specialize in anything cause mid is his middle name...
@@bannedmann4469I actually liked the Calus boss fight; at least on legendary solo it was a good challenge.
The weirdest part for me about the whole expansion was how every character seemed to know exactly what was happening except for us; they all knew what the veil was, how it works, what happened at the end, and more. Meanwhile we’re sitting there like “wtf just happened?”
GET TO THE VEIL GET TO THE VEIL! I'm like, this is the first time I've ever heard of the veil.
Yeah dude like did I miss a campaign or season or movie or novel that explains like anything? Cause yall acting like I should know anything and I dont
Our Guardian apparently knows too cause they never asked after it...
More like how every character knows what's going on with the story. The whole campaign flew by but I remember Nimbus saying something in response to what happened in a mission and I was like, "Was he even on comms?? How does he know that, it just happened now and we were the only ones to see it"
So many of them did nothing but watch on the Helm..
The end of the Lightfall campaign is as if in Halo 3 after destroying the last Covenant AA gun in New Mombasa, you get the cutscene with the Prophet of Truth leading his fleet into the Portal to the Ark, and instead of all the missions afterwards, the game just ends and you have to wait another year to know what happens afterwards.
I think Halo 2's ending is more appropriate since it ended on a cliffhanger similar to Lightfall.
@@stevem.9340 no not even close. Please
@@stevem.9340 Halo 2's story was a complete story though. Its plot had a proper structure from beginning to end and it actually earned its cliffhanger.
Lightfall was not in a position to be a chase the MacGuffin story with an utterly pointless plot and ending.
I'd have to agree with Kn_Ant with his comparison to Halo 3 ending abruptly as the covenant disappear into the portal is spot on
Personally I think Lightfall was to the WQ, like how Halo 4 was to Halo 3, meh followup, not good, not bad, just meh.
@@hylianglitchmobber7570 1 of the main complaints for halo 2 was that the ending was rushed and it didn't feel like a complete story tho
now I can finally decide if I hate light fall or not, thanks Datto!
Such an original comment. Yeah! 👍
@bloodlust9984 now I can decide if that was an original comment! Thansk man!
@@hunterlurvey698 now I can decide if I should keep this joke going thanks dude
@@hunterlurvey698 Now I can decide on your decision if it was an original comment.
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@@bloodlust9984 I agree with this guy, this comment is very original. Yeah 👍
The trailers made me feel like this was going to be like mass effect 3. The reapers are here, we've been preparing the galaxy for this moment, stakes couldn't be higher, and everyone in the galaxy knew that. It was serious mode.
Yet aside from the beginning cutscene showing off how powerful the witness is, it just felt like a big nothing burger. It was just, like you said, extremely unfocused.
Also, anyone notice how no one knew what strand was, then out of nowhere, everyone called it strand and started talking about it like it's been a thing forever
Yeah, even the Cloudstriders or Neomuna never got a proper introduction to the characters and they got started using the terms of Neomuna out of nowhere, just became besties with Cloudstriders and we didnt even know what they were except they are big and strong and dies in 10 years.
I was surprised by the lack of Ghost being surprised at things, I thought some voice lines would have them compare the Last City etc
Best way I've felt to describe it is like we're getting the bullet points for a filler arc. Also, there's lots of things that bug me about the story, but why the hell didn't we have a cutscene for entering Neomuna? Perfect opportunity. Have us jump in the Cabal drop pod, and swap to a cinematic where we breach the clouds, cut black, impact, fade in as we pull ourselves out of the pod to see this magnificent city laid out before us as Calus's flagship makes its descent.
Nevermind the fact the shadow legion has units shielded with strand energy before the word is ever spoken
@@Fir7shadow agreed!!! A cutscene would’ve been great
@@oksobasically3278 yeah...Nimbus randomly blurting out that there's only 2 existing Cloudstriders at any given time was such a disappointment. Nimbus and Rohan made it sound like there were striders everywhere defending the city and we were only able to interact with 2 of them. Then a lazy plot insertion to explain why we've only seen those 2 in particular.
I found the first phase of Calus to be an incredible challenge, and then phase 2 broke my spirit as a solo player
no joke spent 2 hours on the first phase and seeing him start the second phase broke me i quit
I read Witherhoard helps. Did you try that? I haven’t got there yet
@@gravity-arbor yea that’s how I beat him I tried like 3 times with witherhoard and it helped a lot
Witherhoard and a GL with explosive light. I just grappled shot and grappled away. Saved my super for tormentors and a little boss damage if I had energy left. Made sure I was generating orbs off the adds in between.
It was easy for me imo, was easier than Savathun fight, the fucking vex training mission final room was ridiculous tho. I could not get thru it until I just cheesed it by standing on the top of the room where hobgoblins spawn.
For the Calus fight I just used Anarchy to tag him while I grappled around the room, and second phase is super easy if you just keep grappling the opposite direction of Calus and just chip him away, the psions dont do too much damage and provide a free Overshield etc
The commendations system may seem kinda dumb but I’ve definitely noticed an increased effort for teammates to revive each other during activities.
I did a raid with my buddies last night since it was the first time since reprised KF that we actually had enough people on at once to raid and handing out commendations at the end was probably the highlight for us. It's a small thing, but being able to hand out meaningless "you did good" awards at the end of something is kinda fun.
Already and exploit.. it's meaningless. Also, I want discomendations too.
@@bannedmann4469 oh no ill be bombed not resing people to steal kills for bounties....
@@bannedmann4469 that would promote bullying.
I've had the complete opposite experience unfortunately. Every time I do the new battlegrounds, nobody is reviving me. They just walk by and I gotta respawn.
"If BYF is commn' out here saying he has no idea what The Veil is, what hope do i have?!" Best quote to sum up my feelings on the story going forward
I was wondering what the veil was during my gameplay. I couldnt figure it out so I thought Id watch Byff’s video to show me what I missed. I was very surprised.
I feel like byf didn’t pay attention
@@A_Cool_Tunafish explain what the veil is to us oh high and mighty
@Mako Shinkai you are absolutely trolling.
I feel like the Veil will be explained within the games lore….like a lot of things have been; this isn’t a new concept.
Lightfall campaign wasn’t as clear cut and straightforward as Witch Queen, but I don’t think it’s nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be.
Every campaign mission after the first I would say “do we get the subclass in this one?” Over and over and over. Constantly checking to see if it had appeared in my subclass slots. During one mission Osiris even says “this is the final training” and I was so happy… only for it to be like the final training before the ACTUAL training. As someone who was more excited for a new subclass than the story this felt HORRIBLE and probably ruined the experience for me :/
exactly, they don't let you inspect your own subclass and prevent you from reading how exactly your abilities and verbs work and then they expect you to use it against the final boss.
Exactly the same thoughts here. Remember that bit halfway through where you find the secret grotto and you have to do all the strand stuff you learned so far? If that wasn't the "this is where you finally get it moment" I don't know what the fuck they were thinking...
Me and My friend were like “so what quest step so we get strand after?” Little did we know 15 wasnt a good guess.
it should of been behind a separate mission unique to each class
yea and then we finally get it by kneeling on a pillow💀
Here’s the thing with Fynch, he literally came into existence not too long ago so he is pretty much a child who just wants friends. Look at his reaction to receiving dawning cookies, that’s why he never bothered me personally. Also WQ introduced maybe the biggest shakeup in destiny’s history with Savathun taking the light and creating her own guardians. The witness wants the traveler, but we’ve met several enemies who’ve wanted the traveler so to me it doesn’t quite feel as much like an “oh shit” moment. Keep in mind I haven’t played the campaign yet, I’m still debating on whether to buy it or not
All ghosts were made around the same time though. Hive ghosts are frustrated that they couldn't find their chosen human/awoken/exo and found it in fallen Hive, they only have a hive-style shell.
SPOILERS REGARDING NIMBUS:
In the Hall of Heroes there's some idle dialogue along the lines that Nimbus was 155 centimetres tall and 50 kg soaking wet before becoming a cloudstrider, which would indicate they were about 12 years old when starting, making them 14 as of their current 2 years on the job.
@@mememasterpogu5637 sounds a bit fucked up to me lol sounds like some trans allegory
@@chapman2001 the fuck did that came from?
Another big difference is that Fynch was actually useful for driving the story of Witch Queen forward, and I really liked his writing and personality.
Don't....I was going to be done with Destiny after last year....and got sucked back in by the same shit they said with Beyond Light "we are gonna make it feel like D1 again! We promise! Yeah!".....it's the same thing as it has been for the last 4 years....a mirroring and reskin of a vaulted planet and they call it 'new'....the story was lackluster as fug....all the weapons are the same ol BS reskin of year 1 weapons ....I thought for sure we would at least get a new public event.....nope ...same old Cabal Drill bullshit with maybe a different heroic boss. I regret my decision. The raid better be something spectacular....that's all I know.
I never run that much for my life in pve until I met the first tormentor, hope they will give us more enemies lile them they really make the fights intense and engaging
Tormentor=😪 boring
@@akatoshmorgul9367not true but if that’s your opinion? Sure
Running that much was just annoying. Like I understand running from the grab attack but the thing’s basic attacks absolutely do too much damage to be fun to fight.
@@James-kv3ll And they’re way too tanky
@@akatoshmorgul9367 cope.
“It’s a tall enough task wrapping up a 10 year saga, but after this showing it’s a taller one” Well said.
Personally, I think the Machine Gun quest line should’ve been apart of the campaign story, taking place right after Rohan’s death, the quest establishes a lot more about Rohan/Nimbus’ relationship, and sets up the veil better as a connection to the Black Heart. Then we have a bit more urgency and it’s power is sliiiightly more tangible.
You are so right. Add that little sprinkle to the story.
Yeah, it also made Nimbus much more sufferable. That post game mission was the first time where i liked them as a character.
@@TelicSyndrome Yeah in the quest they actually were sad about Rohan's death. What an idea eh? Have the character who's mentor just died be sad about it. WHO WOULDA THUNKT IT. Nimbus fucking jokes about Rohan's death like the next mission after he dies. How are you gonna give me all the grief they SHOULD be feeling, IN A POST CAMPAIGN EXOTIC QUEST. Like, what? So yeah it did make Nimbus more sufferable for me as well. In the sense that, I stopped thinking they were a sociopath, because that's what I got from the campaign...
Also sagira’s funeral at the end was great for Osiris’s growth and development
@Moopey I really wanted to like nimbus at first. But I almost couldn't help but feel suspicious of him as the story went on... he just seemed so robotic to me.
Very well put. It didn't blow my mind, but I had a fun time playing. The last mission was so fun.. but I did do the 2 tormentor mission alone and it was SCARY
I heard someone in a raid say Lightfall is the "The last jedi" of destinty and honestly, this is the most accurate description of how it feels
TLJ is good, though, so that makes no sense.
Well if final shape is gonna be rise of skywalker I’ll delete the game rn
@@bcapenaro1991 oh god
@@colinfahey4234 fingers crossed it wont be
@@bcapenaro1991 "tlj was good" explains why Disney has all but abandoned the sequel trilogy in favor of the mandalorian
I think the reason some people (myself included) dislike how the campaign forces you to use strand is because in solo legend, it's basically taking away all your survivability tools and forcing you to use something against your build. Going from playing something tuned for high difficulty solo play like a void hunter or solar titan to the strand versions feels pretty bad if it's just you on the field.
This is why I ignored strand after the first couple of missions
yep. this is how it felt every time
im doing the solo legendary on my next character rn and i’m just realizing how much being forced to use strand soured my initial experience
I had absolutely no issue, but I know my own experience isn't universal. I being able to grapple out when in danger was a big help
Funny enough if youre using Hammer titan and have the Loreley on you still get the sun spot when you are critical and have your barrier. I noticed i wouldve struggled a lot more on parts that forced me to use strand if i didnt have it equipped. (running it solo anyway)
I cackled at your Calus impression “I swear bro, we’re gonna get the veil” to a evil god is just great
Tormentors in Legend Solo are the stuff of nightmares. I felt like the playing field was far more "equal" than it ever was against Lucent hive.
The fact they can suppress us is a nice touch.
Tormentors scare me much more than the lucent hive, despite the knights being able to look at you and kill you instantly.
Lucent hive; if you get hit and don't die, just hide and peek shoot.
Tormentors, you'd better grow eyes in the back of your head boi, cause they will *never* stop chasing dat ass.
Dunno i didnt have problems whit them on legend, but mb its bc my char is decket out with top rols
I found them to be great and threatening enemies right up until I found they get perma stunned by blinding grenades. then they just turn into big targets. if they made them immune to blinding and suspension they would be much scarier.
@@exvex5108 Um? So was I and I don’t recall saying I had problems with them.
The solo experience of the campaign seems in many ways, at least to me, a polar opposite to playing with friends. I found the lightfall legendary difficulty way more forgiving than Witch Queen so I found myself actually enjoying the contents of the mission instead focusing all my attention on solely not dying. The only exception to this was every time strand was a compulsory part of the mission. I find it so bizarre that Datto thought that getting strand in the campaign was the fun parts cause every time it was given to me I felt like a piece of paper waiting to get torn to shreds. That vex training simulation felt like a huge callback to the Witch Queen campaign again where I couldn't enjoy the mission and instead had to focus on solely not dying. Thankfully getting fragments after the campaign solves this and strand becomes pretty fun. As for calus, again another opposite to playing with friends. Soloing him is ridiculous at times especially with the double tormentors during the middle of it. I haven't done the campaign multiplayer but I imagine its a much more fun experience overall.
Yes. I did solo legendary. And hoo. Calus was way harder than capping Savathun largely because I still haven't mastered grappling and would slip up, but also because that nearly empty arena for phase 2 is a pretty brutal agility/dps check.
I swear my progress got killed after my game crashed. I was able to go back into the game with my friend so I thought it was fine. I was able to beat the campaign after all day and THEN I realize my progress didn’t save for those 7 or so hours I had played that day. I was furious. Tried playing myself today and it’s stupidly hard and I hate strand. 7 times out of 10 I’m literally falling off the map using the strand grappling. I don’t like it at all. The gameplay is basically a crazy bullet sponge of a boss and constantly respawn 50 ads every 30 seconds. There’s not one second where I’m not being shot and need to take cover for a full minute, it’s infuriating man.
Playing the campaign on solo, I can assure you Calus phase 2 did not feel like a joke. I guess it's the fact that he has to focus on multiple guardians when you're teamed up, but solo phase 2 felt like a constant struggle to get away and find windows to inch out damage, combined with the constant Psion spawns taking even more of that time. It is very scary when he two-shots you and dying here means you have to slowly chunk his first phase down again.
To me at least calus phase 2 felt shitty for the sole reason that he never did damage to me using his actual swords. He would always swing at me but it was like a phalanx hit and I would get knocked into a wall at Mach 2 and just die.
all you had to do is run around one of the poles and he’d never hit you lol, kinda a joke solo too
I’m not sure how people had a problem with him. Already had Witherhoard equipped and both phases were so embarrassingly easy I thought there must of been something I was missing.
That’s when I had to get two more people on LFG to finish it. I just couldn’t do it anymore after dying like 14 times. Calus broke my mind. I played the whole legendary campaign solo up until that point so I felt like I earned myself some help.
Was literally looking for this. So fucking true. I died like 30 times.
The final boss is no joke by yourself on legendary. Everything in that rooms looks at you and you alone and you have no time to rest. It was pretty rough.
And everything just constantly spawns lol
@@alejandrobagg2591 I found Anarchy to be super good, just tag Calus and focus on movement and ad clear while Anarchy ticks away. Then I just combine with Riptide while I have downtime for more DPS
Titan cheeses the tormentors and lorely gives you resto on strand for some reason suspend on barricade makes them sit there so you can shoot them and if they touch your barricade they won't attack it slows them 1000 percent a titan mission
On Titan it’s a joke how easy it is
I struggled with him a little bit, until I realized I could shoot him with Witherhoard and just constantly swing around the arena. Doesn't even take long, Witherhoard is a goddamn beast. Also, machine guns make short work of Tormentors, plus the grapple melee will stagger them, even on Legendary. Retrofit is an excellent choice, with it's FttC+Target Lock combo.
I did the Campaign solo and it was honestly the best choice I could of ever made. The challenge that the final boss gave me has me there for like an hour and a half but god it felt good when I finally did it. Now doing second character with a friend at its still great fun :)
I believe the radial mast was suppose to be a light-based link to the traveler, which is elaborated on in the mission where we storm callus's ship shortly and then never mentioned again.
The reason the ghost works to establish the link at the end of the campaign is because it is also, a light based link to the traveler.
It feels like a pretty cheap cop-out of an ending and it also raises the question of "what the hell would calus had done if we just didn't show up? Wait for a new one?". lol
Calus’ fight should’ve been similar to his raid boss fight, not just him being a bigger Colossus that changes to a Gladiator. They honestly did him dirty.
It hurts even more because the final fight against Savathun last year was one of the highlights of the campaign, and this campaign's final boss is just damage-healthgate-damage-healthgate-damage
@@paegr savathun final fight was fucking ass what do you mean 🤣🤣🤣 Calus felt way better with the tormentor coming in to fuck shit up
@@paegr There were no healthgates though? He just got a small overshield you can break and a tormentor spawned in. You could completely ignore it all and kill him if you wanted to.
Don't you like reskinned content? that's basically D2 in a nut shell
His first phase is literally a reskinned version of that D1Y1 Strike boss, with a mortar strike mechanic. It even included D1Y1 Strike level of damage spongyness on Legendary. They did Calus dirty by making him like that. Just disappointing.
14:45 “if Byf is coming out here saying he doesn’t know what the veil is, what hope do I have?”
I laughed so hard at this cause SAME DUDE.
Datto, I'm feeling that Infinite Stone analogy. Hit the nail on the head with that one.
Your idea to tweak the grapple to only use a portion of you don’t use the melee follow up makes a lot of sense, I think the state of the game itself is pretty great, it’s just a shame the story didn’t deliver the big moments and feature those we care about the most really at all
Honestly that mission with caitial could be an awesome game mode that bungie should expand on, wave defense. It would be really cool to he defending some important objective, and having us set up our allies in certain areas to fend off hoards of whatever enemies they'd wanna use. Set up some psion or fallen snipers, some legionars or servators acting as support, cabal air support, then the final boss roles around, summon a cabal tank, or fuck it, mithrax or caitial for the finally. That was an awesome feeling, fighting alongside her and her soldiers against overwhelming odds, keeping turrets safe and destroying tanks. They should take advantage of that and make a full blown game mode
This is what gambit should have been. The "gambit" could have been like betting glimmer or other materials on yourself to complete a certain wave or difficulty. Imagine max wave being several champions and mini bosses. My favorite part of gambit is just mowing through the groups of enemies.
Crazy. Maybe they could call it "firefight" or somethin idk
During that whole part i was just thinking a firefight from ODST
@@rangertau lmaaoooooooo
@@SuperLycan13 That would be pretty awesome. And, I think, would be an awesome way to allow players to farm glimmer, legendary shards, and enhancement cores. You can keep the competitive part in that, as long as you complete every wave, you get your rewards, but maybe get a bonus if you complete it faster than the opposing team?
Guardian rank is a flat out miss at this point, especially if it resets each season. They basically removed the "who did more bounties/afk farming" number with "who did more meaningless tasks". I inspected some "veterans" in the tower, one of whom had never done a raid or dungeon (rank 6), and one player with a lifetime triumph score of
Don't worry! When the season ends everyone will be down at level 6 again
Yeah that shit was stupid. Having everyone just be a “veteran” ruined the point of the rank.
Facts guardian rank should be based on doing the challenging activities in the game. You should have a high guardian rank if you have a lot of raid clears or GM clears etc.
Quite literally anyone who didn't start playing fresh in lightfall is automatically rank 6, which is funny as I have a friend who started playing the last 3 days of Season of the Seraph, and they logged on back at rank 6, it was just funny cause he could've used the extra guidance
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Strand Warlock is super fun, especially with the exotic boots. Everything you do is generating explosions and spawning threadlings. Agreed on everything else. Some think WQ was written for Strand since it has a lot of references to strings, thread cutting, etc. that otherwise don't really tie into anything there.
I remember them saying they had to delay Strand because of the work they were having to do to get light 3.0 functional, so that makes sense. Wonder what the Final Shape sub-class that really fits into a sci-fi city is?
@@reganator5000 We’re probably not getting one; this is Bungie we’re talking about here. The empty darkness subclass icons were even removed suggesting that there’s not going to be any more.
@@npc6254 yeah, maybe not, probably depends on their plans for after the final shape. Would probably make sense to, if they still have the idea, postpone it until after the story finale
Tormentors were very well built for solo campaign play. They created the righty amount of friction that I believe they were originally trying to go for with Lucent Hive.
Honestly thought they need some serious adjustment for solo, because the strat seems to be kiting them with their high health pools (along with immunity from DOT and explosions before pauldrons are removed) and keep them at range. You can't really challenge them close because of the "finisher" they can execute and almost kill you even with high resilience as well as suppressing you out of supers and removing jump ability (this is especially punishing when levels almost require double jump or grapple to evade tormentors in the first place). Range attacks are annoying but easy to avoid if you remain mobile, but I never felt like I was enjoying an encounter with Tormentors. I always felt like I was running..... like all the time. Remined me of the Calus fight especially in phase 3.
@@WAR3NUL15T1NN the finisher is easily telegraphed though, and has very clear clues of when it's gonna happen, with the tormentor stopping for the initial animation, glowing red, and even the ingame text warning you. Also the finisher is inmediately stopped when either breaking line of sight, or getting at a height difference.
@@voltus20 Well I don't necessarily think the text indicates the attack it just informs you the tormentor has entered an enraged state which entails more aggressive attacks and the finisher, and sure, the finisher does require close range and line-of-sight. But what about the immunities before enrage? And the void slam attacks that suppress? In terms of everything else I said, it still seems like a significant difference other enemies. I will admit, after fighting them on any other class that wasn't Hunter they are slightly easier (mostly in terms of survivability), but regardless, they aren't really that fun to play. They remind me of unstoppable champions (if you couldn't stun them). Face tank a ton of damage and never stop chasing you. You literally can't back petal and shoot them at the same time safely (when enraged). You have to turn around, find another place to set up and do some minimal amount of damage. Bigger arenas lessen this effect, but you are almost never alone against a Tormentor. I also think new players on normal difficulty or even some fireteams comprised of newer players playing legendary are going to be ill equipped to handle them like veterans can.
@@WAR3NUL15T1NN whenever they are inmune, you have to shoot the pauldrons on their shoulders to both take out their invincibility and deal a ton of damage, then focus fire the glowing part of their chest. If you deal sustained damage to the chest weakspot, they'll stagger and even stop their enrage. It can be tricky to get consistently, but once you get used to the timing, you can just gun them down, especially with linear fusion rifles, as they one shot the pauldrons, and outright kill miniboss Tormentors in 1 mag and a couple shots.
@@voltus20 that's all true but when you're in a small room surrounded by other ads looking to tear you apart with a minimum 15 point difference between you, its difficult enough without being *too* much.
If its grab attack wasn't telegraphed it would just be unfair and you'd literally never be able to stop to breathe.
You completely nailed how I felt about the story. I also don’t give a crap about the vex invading neomuna. We needed more witness/calus and I was excited to see what was gonna happen. But this is just eh. The ending I was like “that’s cool but like what actually happened?” How did we lose? After the calus fight the vanguard goes “we lost, oh no”. Like how did we lose? What did the witness just do? The traveler is still there but now it has some portal into it? Like what?
The Vex and Strand really diluted how the campaign should have been. The missions that didnt involve vex or strand was good imo. Especially third and last mission
I'm pretty sure they threw in the whole vex thing because a lot of people have been clamoring for a vex dungeon and some vex involvement. I wouldn't be surprised if the next dungeon includes some of this vex story in it, but I could be wrong
@Josh it'll probably be raid related considering the strike voicelines and other patrol zone voicelines from a certain character
@@Josh_2992 The Vex trying to make a clone of the Veil is probably important, and they wanted to tie it in for some seasonal content. But it def got in the way of the campaign.
@@Josh_2992 We are. im fairly certain the new raid is gonna be Vex based and the new exotics is literally called "Vex Caliber".
Soloing the last room in Breakneck was the most stress-inducing portion of my life.
The thing with Cayde being unmatched as a comedic relief is that, first of all, he ACTUALLY is funny and when he's not we forgive his bad jokes by how much of a badass he is, he's not some hot headed apprentice, he's our layed back mentor
Datto’s mix of frustration and apathy is such a vibe. It’s what Bungo deserves.
Been there since Shadowkeep - weird to see it hitting the diehards now too
It's just sad I think this is when I hit the delete button permanently just wasted 7 years
@@colinmx.woah this is what made you quit? Weak lmao
@@mot1thom I think because it’s the last 2 DLC’s and we are past this questioning, cliffhangers, and build up when we are in the collapse 2.
Shadow keep had the same problems but it also showed a lot and build up which sadly didn’t do anything until Witch queen
@@colinmx. oh do grow up
The Veil gets one line from Osiris, “it’s a primordial convergence of Light and Shadow.” So an old means to bridge both powers.
The video we’ve all been waiting for
I feel like the Witness used Calus as a bait for us. He had to be at two place at the same time and the way he could do that was through our ghost. Having a big bad guy use his clone army to get there while taunting the guardian was surely the best way to have our ghost get there as he’s following us.
Calus and the Witness give me big bad guy and his lackey vibes.
Got a real strong feeling we’ll be looking back at this as a filler expac, hopefully with some good seasons
Definitely not a filler expansion, this expansion has us killing the final cabal antagonist we could possibly have, and set up final shape. Final shape will likely have us going into the portal the witness created at the end of the campaign and will answer everything from LF. Story was a bit rushed yeah but that doesn’t mean it’s filler, it set up final shape and everything will make sense by then
@Gee 187 bro they explained barley anything in the campaign. We have more questions than anything from the last expansion. They better not drop the ball for the final shape
@@joshlisiecki8702 imagine Final Shape is just Bungie saying that it was all a dream and it restarts at vanilla D1 💀
@@daRealB-Rex I would cry, and never touch the game again, and put it in the part of my brain I forget things. That would legit be a waste of 10 years
@@Gee-bg2rv you could wipe out all the gameplay we just did. Show us the intro cutscene and the final cutscene and we’d be good to go for the final shape. Nothing we just did mattered
Imagine if they turned the rohan and nimbus thing on his head and instead of rohan sacrificing himself, it was nimbus the one that messed up and calus kills him for being careless. That would have exceeded expectations put on the rookie and old guy theme.
Personally I think the warlock subclass is the strongest right now. One melee can easily clear a room if you hang back. You unravel them, you shoot them, the spawn homing needles that reset their un ravel debuff and unravel other enemies, then they send out more needles that cause more needles and so on. Very powerful.
I got this rec’ed by the algorithm. The final shape is out now and its the best turn around for the game in the time that I have played. But i love datto opinions sooo imma relive this.
loved whenever tormentor showed up. felt like how you feel when u get invaded in dark souls. suddenly u just tense up n focus n looking everywhere for your nemesis while he slowly walks towards you with a big weapon spouting terrifying gibberish. i m surprised they didnt used a bleed katana dex build
Now after Byf and Cross, I can finally have a full opinion.
I loved the penultimate battle of the campaign, having an orbital laser was absolutely fun. Easiest I ever killed tormentors 😂😂
If only other main characters had shown up..
The thing that really bothers me about how the wrote Osiris is the fact that they did SO WELL writing him last season. He was obviously the same person, but you could also tell by his dialogue and tone of voice that he was deeply affected by all the stuff that's happened. All of the conversations he had with Ana, Mara, us at the iron temple, and even Eramis did such a good job of showing us how he's been affected by the loss of Sagira. I have no idea what happened but Osiris in lightfall is such a downgrade from what he was like literally less than a week ago.
I bet that lightfall osiris was written first.
@@JMD3M410 Different writers probably.
As a person who played solo throughout the campaign. It really felt harder the witch queen. And I know Datto said that the boss battle wasn’t to difficult however playing it as a solo only like 10 power under the recommended it was really hard. The final boss battle was very intense and it had me learning how to combat everything to calus to the ads to the tormentors, and calus’ ability that forced you to move. It really had me on my toes. If you haven’t played the final battle as a solo you should it really is a different experience than as a team.
Also we’re you mention that calus felt weak, I think that was on purpose. I felt that the witness made in him weak on purpose because he wanting he to be . Throughout the story I felt that th witness was hinting the calus was disposable and that his plan for him was to die, but that’s just my take.
Calus was more terrifying and had more powers in Leviathan raid though..
Tedious is the best word. Bullet sponges in this campaign.
I completely agree with what you said. I did the campaign solo legendary over the course of a few days and it took me a slightly embarrassing number of tries per mission lol. Died to calus so much I had to drop it, make a new build on dim with better stats, and come back the next day. Felt really rewarding to finally beat after all that but then the thing with dinklebot didn’t feel like as big a deal as it should have been
In the witch queen felt like every heavy and special shot count. In this expansion it was run around and spray. I guess light 3.0 made it feel easier too
Thanks Datto! I was getting scared that I might have to form my own opinion on this DLC, when the notification (because I smashed like and subscribe and hit the bell) for this upload came in. Thanks!!
Datto consistently voices thoughts that are closest to my own.
Now i feel more frustrated with the incomplete campaign story 😂 enjoyed the legend run no doubt but more questions at this juncture! Great insights Datto, keep it up!
Tormentors on solo Legendary campaign was terrifying, an unstoppable fast reaper running at me with supressing attacks got me stressing. I'd like to be able to get out of his hook somehow aswell because hook=death.
they do actually drop you if your health pool is large enough to resist the damage for the duration of the attack. found out after i was yoinked in the first mission on a very tanky titan.
There seems to be a bug with them where they will sometimes grab you and then just drop you without starting the damage animation. I've had it happen twice, and I have no idea how to duplicate it.
They reminded me of doom hunters from eternal. Absolutely loved them
It doesnt insta kill, but drains like 80% of your HP. Overshields and healing can outheal it tho(such as Well, not sure about restoration)
I had no problem with them besides the first time fighting one. Retrofit Escapade melts them and then you just finish them.
This is exactly how I felt playing through the story. Glad to know I wasnt the only one confused by what the veil was
this campaign should either have a lot more missions, like close to double if they want to expand all of the things they were trying to tackle at once or break the strand to a lot small side quests of us exploring and the rest of the story being just for the cloudstiders and the veil. hopefully the next campaign will have more missions just so they can answer all of our questions. im really worried -_-
Solo Legendary wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. I did have multiple times during some missions where I would wipe multiple times (skill issue). But over all it wasn't as bad as WQ was. I enjoyed the gameplay of the Campaign. But the overall story left me empty personally. A big case of chase the McGuffin but you never really understand what or why you are chasing it. Love your videos! Thanks for all you do!
For those who are interested, commendation score is given a LOT faster when commending at the end of raids. Doing a few riven and queenswalk clears got me to 900 within the space of about 90 mins. Once you reach rankk 7, rank 8 is... drum roll please..... TIMEGATED by the seasonal activity 'dificulty' and the new raid.
Wow. I hope not all the ranks are timegated so you get rank 11 near the end of the season and then it resets... That would be silly and I'm sure bungie wouldn't have set it up that way
Who cares about Guardian Ranks? 🤣 that and commendations are the most useless thing ever added to the game.
Do raids show damage now without wiping?
@@SwoleakhulTheBlind It's still meant to be a way to show off your skill/experience to other players but when Bungie does stuff like timegate it, it just defeats the only purpose it had in the first place. For people who've played the game for hundreds or thousands of hours, being able to show off a bit is nicer than any loot the game can offer
Well anything past 6 is supposed to measure how much you know about the game this season. That's why it resets each season and surprisingly requires you to do the new stuff. I feel like people are confusing it for an overall rank of your skill when it's actually just a rank of how much you've done this season.
Before even watching, thank you Datto for putting this out so quickly!! With everything going on with the expansion and trying to find enough time to grind for the raid; we appreciate you putting other projects aside to get this out to those who wanted it.
Funny to see how long ago this was. And we just now got told a timy bit what the veil and witness are.
Thankfully they allowed access to all fragments now and THANK GOD, some of them are actually game changers for strand
When hearing the details about Lightfall, I honestly thought the story had a huge theme set up about life and sacrifice. The cloudstriders choose to be protectors and then have a time limit to live. The time they have is dedicated to protecting Neomuna and its people at the literal cost of their lives.
Compare this with the guardians, who were chosen and mind wiped (technically) but we still choose to protect our home.
Then we have Osiris, who was once a guardian and lost his friend and ghost Sagira, when overestimating his enemy.
Now, with these characters, all coming together, at the same time that Neomuna is discovered and invaded, as well as the traveler being attacked, you would think that these ideas would be heavily explored. Destiny has done it before with other themes. I guess I'll have to see what the season story holds
I truly thought for a moment Osiris was going to become the new rookie cloudstrider.
honestly it feels like that’s what they were *trying* to do. but for whatever reasons they completely missed the fucking mark, and it’s a shame.
cause like… the ending of the other exotic MG quest made me almost cry a little, it was really great. and some of the crow-Mara lines in the seasonal content are amazing.
and every time I find something new and interesting and impactful about the post-campaign and seasonal content I ask, once again, how the *FUCK* did they make such a shit campaign story? what happened?
Yeah this is definitely what they were going for and it came through at times but the pacing and direction were just all over the place
The solo legendary experience is pretty excellent imo. Enemies have scaled down health so they aren't as obnoxiously tanky as they are in a 2 or 3 man. The dual tormentor fight is indeed very tense, but super satisfying to nail it.
the bosses felt a little tanky though, maybe just me and not being able to just sit still and shoot them
Nailed that duo tormentor fight first try. My ass was clenched so mf hard
@@mrinferno1571 I mean I literally killed calus before I even ran out of cataclysmic with a couple witherhoard shots sprinkled in. No buff/debuffs were even applied.
I'm glad somebody talked about the fact that all active players were basically immediately put at rank six despite some being far more invested than others. I have about a hundred raid clears, have participated in tons of GMs and dungeons, but I get put at the same rank as some jabroney who plays on Saturdays for three hours.
Working later on dlc release days is still my favorite tip. I’ll get home by the time servers are up, and I’ll usually game into the next day that I take off.
The section about the campaign’s story is absolutely spot on, well done sir
as a man that no longer plays destiny or video games much at all anymore, you manage to be the only video game content i still watch because i still need to have an opinion on this game
I was waiting for this video…
Lmao, I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt that way about the ending. The end cutscene of The Witness opening up the Traveler and then, I think it was Zavala said we lost? I was like, wait, did we? What did I miss? I actually immediately went on RUclips to rewatch the cutscene because I thought I misunderstood it. But no, it didn't help me see how we lost....
One of the most anticipated datto videos of all time
“QUICK, HE’S GONNA GET THEM!”
That killed me for some reason. It’s so accurate.
i loved the tormentors but found their fear factor faded when i realised blinding grenades pema stunned them. if they could make them immune to cc effects or at least just blinds it would make them much more fun to fight imo. I deliberately stopped using cc on them so i could have a more fun experience and it really showed. made them much scarier and much more exhilarating to bring down.
So good dude. Thanks for your awesome content as always.
Thank you!
Despite everyone's complaints about the story being pretty unanimous, I think you phrased it in a way that's different and very important despite still being what everyone's upset about. That key point of "I don't want new things, I want more return on what I'm already invested in" is what I was worried about the moment they revealed this big city we mysteriously have never heard about before. We have a city in peril we want something to happen with already, amidst other things.
A city where it seems they know a shit ton about us and earth not to be surprised by us or the cobal fucking fleet attacking them, they were just like " oh hey sup earth dude, heard you were immortal, that's really neat, now go get the veil
Yes we know all about it. All of us do, yes you know about it to, no no, your character knows what the veil is but you the player.dont
@@mikewillis9537 even better, they also kinda don't know shit about Earth. They called us warlords, that is a loooooong time ago, so if that's all they know us for, they looked back to earth where their actual home is and just said, "eh, screw em."
@@robertpalmer8080 good point
I agree about the accommodations. Starting off at rank 6 felt bad. I was helping a friend of mine who came back to Destiny after years of knots playing and he and I were at the same rank. I thought ranks would be influenced by stuff like so Flawless dungeons and all these ridiculous numbers of raid clears and GMs titles gilding all of that stuff but no. I have to stun some more champions and do another legend law center by myself and without dying. Think the rank system is a bus especially if it resets every season
Felt this way too. Been playing since d1 day 1 but I'm a lowly little 6. I see new lights with blue gear at the same level. I think I liked the seasonal rank better honestly.
it's just another system designed to keep you doing busy work every season, only for it to reset again the next season
Yea, it should have been based on the completion of raids, exotics obtained, etc. Not just do tutorials plus 2 hours of legendary grinding. I'm just sad how it's presented.
@@Erelyn1 of they have it reset I really don't care. I don't need some rank to prove my abilities
@@ChurchofCaboose id agree but as a solo player wait til late in the season on LFG "must be guardian rank 10" like bruh i see it already
Got a lot of ODST vibes when playing campaign. The battle when fighting alongside Caiatl reminded me of the final area in ODST when protecting the Engineer. The music especially, with a lot of the combat tracks sounding like the ODST piece, “The Office Of Naval Intelligence/Skyline”. At least Drums-wise.
I think you hit the nail on the head in regards to buildcrafting. It feels like they took all the imagination and creativity out of it. Yes they moved things to the seasonal artifact and yes that means we’ll have to focus more on that as our means of real builds. But that’s it, builds now completely rely on that. There’s no depth to it outside of WHATS IN THE ARTIFACT THIS SEASON OMG. But who knows, i’m probably just biased because I miss maxing my stats out on my hunter 😂
And with the new seasonal artifact you basically don‘t have to try to incorporate the mods because they‘re already applied by just unlocking them, taking the buildung part completely out of the equation
Solo Legendary was fun, hardest part was being forced to use strand (I want to use it but not in situations where you need high survivability like being 30-50 under light, which strand does not have on Warlock.).
Pros and cons with the campaign but overall I did enjoy it. I'm loving the seasonal activity, I finally get to be the space knight I always wanted to be with a large selection of swords to choose from. I always thought I'd never take my first seal Splintered off but Queensguard is firmly in my sights
For the story, they should've baked strand and veil into the same thing, perhaps the veil reached out to us as new champions to protect it and provided its own version of the light...Strand.
Nimbus and Rohan's design looks awesome. My dudes were lookin clean.
all the narrative progrrss we made during Lightfall felt like the ground another story might cover in a single mission. Witness needs an uplink to the Veil? One outting to try an stop it. the whole time i was like "wtf is going on at the traveler? show me that!!"
Lightfall and Final Shape being split up really shows.
Not sure why this isn't just Season of Neomuna or w/e and they made a more focused story experience. I enjoyed the campaign for the most part but I think there was a problem with scope, they wanted to cram this cool new place / people into it, whereas really, what we wanted is something more concise and grounded in this unreality.
I’ve been waiting this review datto definitely doesn’t disappoint now we just need jez review aswell 😆😆😆
Warlock main here, having a good time. It's taken a while to work out the bumps, but as of this moment I'm working a Monte Carlo/Swarmers build that mostly results in commanding a small platoon of angry green bugs at all times. Haven't gotten the mods quite worked out, but so far it's a good time.
oh boy here we go...datto tell us how to feel!
Why don’t you form your own opinion
@@noahdavis3924 my opinion will be wrong if it doesnt match datto's
@@noahdavis3924 you must be new here
"That was it? That was the end of the campaign? Dude no!"
Perfectly sums up my impression
The grapple cooldown on Hunter is FINE. You just gotta spec into it.
Thank you for the video. I know nothing about Destiny and it's lore, I just got interested when I stumbled into The Witness cutscenes and immediately fell in love with the character's design.
Then, suddenly, I get to know that the Destiny campaign story got a huge backlash from the community, a lot of negative reviews and whatnot. I don't believe such things right off the bat and wanted to really get to understand what all the fuss is about. This video cleared up quite a few things for me. I'm glad to see that there's nothing wrong with The Witness themselves, but rather the other aspects of the Lightfall campaign story.
Nezarec - Lightfall Raid Boss
Xivu - Final Shape Campaign Boss
Witness - Final Shape Raid Boss
Probably 👀
Witness will have to be a campaign boss or something accessible to everyone. Extremely small percentage of people play raids so they won’t exclude 95%+ of the player population for its biggest baddie so farz
@@amorfati4927 it can be like oryx how you defeat him in the campaign and then face him in the raid fr
@@amorfati4927 In all fairness tho the witness is the end to the light and dark saga, the end to years of build up, i think it would be more than reasonable to make the ultimate baddie of all of destiny so far a raid boss. To compromise maybe after the raid day 1 clear there is an optional 1-3 player mission to fight him with less to no mechanics.
The entirety of the Witness/Calus storyline was birthed from an exotic mission. Bungie has several ways to move the story along over seasons.
Getting back into this game after a year in a half
Throughout the campaign I thought that I would just watch a lore video to figure out what the veil was. I guess I’ll have to keep waiting for someone to figure it out
I don't doubt Bungie's ability to make final Shape a satisfying conclusion, because they definitely can, witch queen is proof of that, but I am wondering what went wrong with Lightfall's campaign. For me personally, I felt that strand was too big of a focus and it ended up hurting the story more than benefiting it. I also felt that the campaign was too short. In Witch Queen, we didn't just do all 8 story missions, there were interlude quests like the pools and other things that extended the campaign while also adding onto it in a positive way. In Lightfall, it's pretty much just the story missions and the one strike and that's it. I'm enjoying the party campaign story stuff and activities, but neomuna definitely doesn't feel as exploration worthy as the throne world and certainly isn't as big as the throne would or Europa.
I actually disagree, feedback on past DLC's was pretty set on the fact that people didn't want to do patrols and bounties in the middle of the campaign. Lightfall lets you just buzz through all the campaign missions back to back, minus the strike that's basically just a campaign mission (with campaign levels of lore drops) that they formatted to be replayable. I 100% felt that Lightfall campaign was too short, I took my time exploring and seeing the visual art, and it still only took about 5 hours. TWQ for reference was a 12 hour completion for me, and I run both on contraverse warlock.
And re: patrol space size+activities, we're still in week 1, we still don't have the post raid content. We know there's probably more coming next week too (based on the time gated fragments). I felt that Neomuna's patrol was bigger than Throne World and WAY bigger than Europa, it's just that Neomuna doesn't have that much on the "secondary" zones. Each of the three main areas are massive, but only the current vex invasion zone with the glorified public event feels populated enough to warrant the big space.
I think the expansion feels not only rushed but like it was built to sell Strand as the main attraction rather than story first and look, new subclass! Like the Taken King was.
Beyond Light sold Stasis, but Stasis was explained, it had a purpose to the story and its origin was explained. Strand is Strand as far as I understand it.
Where did it come from?
Why is it there and why do we see it? What is it exactly? Shrug, beats me.
I think Bungie kinda flucked Witch Queen campaign. I hope it wasn’t that and that this is just a hiccup.
The timing of Datto talking about timegated strand and the twab lmfao
Those tormentors on solo legendary actually terrified me and made me panic whenever they got close enough to grab me
I like finishing enemies, I don’t like being the one who dies by a finisher.
His gameplay at the beginning has me in awe at the no performance loss wow
Dude, my Playstation decided it could produce slideshows at that moment.
my biggest gripe of all of lightfall is we didn’t get the naked calus scene as seen in the trailers
Solo Legendary Calus was annoying, but it made you want to master strand to abuse the grapple points in there
Honestly all it did x me was to show me how weak they made my Titan . Last season was FUNNY to play this not so much ….
Not me
I was having such a tough time with him, but most of my deaths were from launching myself off the map. I never truly understood how to effectively grapple, but this fight made it click. SUPER satisfying once you understand the how to direct yourself where you wanna go and how to spin around and shit
I had to switch to arc titan because I kept dying on strand
no it didn't. i avoided it entirely in the last mission and it was piss easy as a void warlock
that dealing damage recharging grenade energy solves all the grapple problems
If yall havent seen it, there are clips out there of the first custscene of the initial battle with the witness and the last cutscene of the campaign spliced together, which makes it seem like it was supposed to be 1 custscene as an intro to completely different story and all we actually got was filler