I absolutely cannot recommend Star Wars Jedi: Survivor (PC Review)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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Jedi Survivor is so much bigger, bolder and more ambitious than its predecessor. By and large it delivers, but the horrendous PC performance utterly ruined this for me. I'm so bummed about it because this is a great game that deserved a better port.
00:00 Intro
04:08 Performance and bugs
13:05 Story and characters
17:12 World design and exploration
23:20 Combat
27:25 Conclusion
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If the settings didn't do much then it's a CPU bound issue, this is usually related to AI or any kind of coding not optimized. Also very present during development, shouldn't be present at launch tho
It's so disappointing that it runs like that, and even more so how if you have a Czech keyboard or comparibly "rare" language keyboard, the game doesn't register your 1-9 keys no matter the layout. But, on the other side, I have to say the game runs completely fine on both my gen 1 Acer Nitro 5 (the 1060 one) and my PC (with 3060 gpu). Pretty stable 30+ FPS, which makes me happy considering my hardware. But the keyboard thing is unforgiveable. It was similar issue in JFO, but at least in JFO switching keyboard layout in Windows to en/US or en/UK worked fine. Jedi Survivor just doesn't register the keys at all.... So purely unplayable unless I go back to Germany and play on German keyboard :/
I played on pc using a keypad. This game is better than the first. It took me about 60 hrs to complete and during all that time I never, not once, experienced lag and I only encountered one bug (bad guy's cape was stretched across the room). It's a magnificent game. Spectacularly beautiful and characters I really cared about. Top 10 all time gaming experiences (minus a sadistic developer on a couple of the force tears minigames). It breaks my heart that so many people are hating on it because it's everything they promised and more. That being said, you need a good computer. But you always need a good computer to play these types of games.
Playing on Jedi Grandmaster and you def right about having to learn certain enemies' move types before even coming close to beating them. Still on my first play-through. Playing on Jedi Master. Having a lot of fun. No real brick walls that stopped me for a while but plenty of challenges. I found Jedi Knight to be a good difficulty for me, it wasn't so easy it became boring or monotonous and it wasn't such a challenge that I got frustrated, although a few of the bosses were particularly difficult. I considered going with Jedi Master at first since I managed to beat the fallen order on Grandmaster with relative ease, but I'm definitely glad I decided against it, at least for my first playthrough. I'll probably go on Master when I try New Journey+ though. I started last night on Jedi Master. It feels pretty good. It's challenging but not super intense. Mostly, it's the groups of 3 or more enemies where you have to play smart. Fun game! Managed to beat the game on Grandmaster and am going through on new game plus on the same difficulty right now! Those DT droids are still my least favorite enemies to come up against, but it seems like they can be staggered if you're aggressive enough and that can open them up to an instant kill animation at about 50% hp. Jedi Master is the perfect balance between difficulty and immersion to me, The Grandmaster one is doable but just less fun, you feel way too fragile. Maybe if Cal's damage output was higher okay, but it feels like hitting enemies with a wooden stick. I just finished a run on Fallen Order on Jedi Master so I felt good about my first survivor play through being on Jedi Knight. It’s about what I expected. Not so challenging that I’m frustrated but not so easy I feel invincible. I found the drop-down from grandmaster to master was surprising, GM was hardcore af, the moment you get surrounded by more than four or five enemies you need to be absolutely perfect with your dodge and parry. Master was a breeze after trying and failing at that lol Played through on Jedi Knight mode just because it felt right since Cal's a knight. It was certainly a grind, but had some pretty satisfying kills. (that's only when the damned game wouldn't crash though) The difficulty is also shown on the HUD. In the bottom left where the d-pad buttons are shown, there is a dot in 1(2 if Grandmaster) of the 4 corners. The lowest starts top left and goes CW from there with Grandmaster having 2 dots top right and bottom left Whenever I’m playing on Grandmaster, I find it much easier to use a defensive stance such as the cross guard of double saber. It really helps prevent your block meter from running out too fast Playing on the higher difficulties I found the double blade stance to be so useful against ranged attacks I feel like for Grandmaster, dual wield and cross guard are gonna be the move. Dual wield for just running around killing enemies, cross guard for those situations where your block is being drained quickly I started with Grandmaster, and personally, I used some of the force powers but it was mostly about picking off your opponents from ranged to melee or from weakest to strongest with lightsaber attacks. I was using duel wield and blaster stances. So glad to hear I’m not alone in wanting to play on the Padawan difficulty. I was playing Jedi Knight, but it wasn’t fun. It was annoying, and I couldn’t seem to get the party right. Padawan lets me not get so involved in the fight and I can step back and learn. 100%, the double blade and cross guard stance were my go-to stances in Grand Master. Cross Guard takes a lot of learning, but once you have it down, it shreds.
My favorite part about a lot of modern releases is that by the time they're playable, they're on sale
It blows my mind that people do pay full price for games nowadays when, like you say they’re on sale in 3 months with far fewer bugs. Gamers have been groomed to accept that this is state of the industry and people seemingly have no issues with it. It’s quite sad.
Right!?!
Being a patient gamer has its perks, everyone can beta test it at full price while we buy it with a good discount and already patched
Hell yeah! Only time I've payed full price for a game was God of War Ragnarok
Fully patched, all DLC included, GOTY edition for 20-30 bucks FTW!!!
As a wise man once said, "When you buy a game on release, you are paying the most amount of money for the worst version of a game."
and yet here we are in the god awful state of the games industry with morons still pre-ordering to get that sweet keychain for their gun pre order bonus garbage.
No one learned from cyberpunk
I pre-ordered re4 and I didn't regret it one bit, there are still good companies out there
You're paying to be an unpaid beta tester
@@PepoX2612 It's only games like RE4 and Dead Space Remake (despite the stuttering, which I managed to mitigate, and VRAM leak) that keep me holding on to being a PC Gamer. I was about to just go buy Jedi Survivor on PS5 (despite me having a 3080 Ti and 5800x3D) - but now I think I am in no great rush, which is sad because it was one of my most anticipated titles of 2023.
The desynced audio happened in Fallen Order for me as well, so nice to see that feature carried over
I beat fallen order shortly before survivor came out and my entire last 2 hours of the game were desynced. I closed my app like many websites said but nothing happened and ended up watching the V**** scene with the voices all fucked up.
I remember when games were properly finished and quality checked before they were released. Good times.
So before patch releases. Back when a game had to be finished before sale..
I hear ya but games are probably a lot different to make these days
Sooo... never?
Lol its like saying. Aah I remember the time I had to wait one month for a certain magazine to release with one review that I wanted to read. Good times.
@@redshift912 oh yeah , so simple... so simple that no devs can re-create GTA 4 , or Half Life 2 , or Halo , or Mass Effect 2 with todays technology . VERY SIMPLE , you can do it too
The way my game froze as cal said “yeah we had uh…technical problems”
same lol, he didn't even say it either the subtitles popped up and it froze before he said it
Lmao that sounds great
Denuvo drm is AGAIN part of the performance problems too
Wow I can’t wait to play the game in 3 years when all the bugs are fixed!
Lmao. Fallen order still has bugs and glitches and loading issues
It’s the same issues with FO when it released. It still has bugs but honestly, the gameplay made up for it imo. That’s why I’m excited to play Survivor once it gets a couple patches.
On gamepass
Lol only PC players are experiencing bugs PS5 has no bugs
and at 1/3 the price!
I have to say, the sort of game design you describe from 20:30 on is the exact kind of thing I have been hoping for more of in modern gaming.
Cosmetic/side content that's treated like respectable gameplay and which stands up on it's own. Things just being fun for their own sake, not just busywork you put up with for rewards and bonuses. Core gameplay that's fun and intuitive enough that it doesn't need to be papered-over with numbers, stats and pointless upgrades (Although, from your combat description, I guess they did not stick the landing on this one).
Still, it is kind of shocking to see this kind of design philosophy from an EA-owned studio. I figured the management would have smothered ideas like these in the crib for being "not monetized enough" and "not psychologically manipulative enough to retain the attention of the lowest denominator" or whatever.
I might pick this up in a year or so, once the performance is hopefully fixed. Here's hoping they don't use the technical problems as an excuse to kill this sort of design in the future.
It's kind of been established that Respawn Entertainment gets to do things somewhat their own way compared to most other EA studios
The interlocking lightsaber on paper has the potential to be one of the coolest morph weapons ever; it's such a shame that they didn't capitalize on that and develop the combat experience more. Switching between 4-5 stances seemlessly depending on your situational needs or to create combos and strings would have been so cool.
They could have looked at Nioh 2 and basically did that.
@@fraundakelmbrilpondaprost90 got to leave some stuff for the next game
It should have been at the very least a post-game unlock like in DMC5. It also would have been better with more delay and multibutton combos. Still though, it's clear they wanted you to master 2 stances at a time, and it goes with Cal still not being a master Jedi.
This. I mainly am so bummed out about this game not reaching what it should have been because one thing, and that is that this game could be fantastic on a CONCEPTUAL level. What I mean by that is like you said with interlocking lightsabers, mixing force abilities with melee combat etc. I think the souls approach was a horrible idea tbh with this game, it’s hard to explain why this games combat feels so bland and repetitive. But I don’t feel like narrowing down every reason why it’s bad, all I’d say is just make the third game so much more fast paced and free flowing, god of war ragnorok is probably the best combat system I’ve ever played, it strikes the perfect balance between very challenging enemy design (although I do have a few gripes with that) and very satisfying and fast paced combat. Jedi 3 or whatever they call it should completely branch off from what it’s done so far imo. It should stop trying to be the Star Wars version of souls, and just be A Star Wars combat game, that is more akin to god of war and other Great combat systems. It’s actually surprising because the combat director/lead was the lead on god of war 3’s combat, which yea I get that those two systems are completely different but I’m surprised how he went from formulating such a satisfying, exhilarating combat experience from that game, to making this buggy, janky, slow, sluggish and boring combat.
This is one of the benefits of having a large backlog. By the time I get around to this game, all the patches will have long since been out.
Agreed. Worked for me with Cyberpunk and No Man's Sky.
@Giritto bruh just described me
Ain't that the truth.
Pretty much my experience with Cyberpunk. I basically got to enjoy it recently because of the anime and I didn't experience most of the bugs that it had on release.
Based take, and its cheaper too
On the brightside, by the time the game is fixed it'll probably be on Game Pass or on sale
W
Yes it will be on EA Play soon
they never fixed fallen order though
@@znubionek Fallen Order runs just fine. I have video of its performance up on my channel on hardware way weaker than what I am currently using. Was playing it at 1440P max settings around 100 fps or higher. Nothing wrong with its performance. Now I have a much stronger CPU Ryzen 5800X3D and a RTX 4070 Ti and it will barely each 60 fps at the same resolution. Fallen Orders performance compared to this games is amazing.
@@RECXFX a year
I watch all your vids but never comment. I gotta say your review style is superb, u clearly put a lot of work into your scripts. No matter the game u do due diligence and know what your talking about. Keep it up mate 👏
I'm glad I played this on console. It had a few frame drops but overall it was a completely playable experience. And I absolutely loved this game. It had me completely hooked from beginning to end. Amazing story and gameplay
So a true iterative sequel, double-down on the bugs, jank and performance issues
Yeah on pc anyway
I have not really gotten bugs im ps5 though.
@@Firebacon1gg yeh in ps5 its great
so I’m good to go on ps5? Or should I wait for a patch or two? My butt still hurts from battlefield
Twice the pride, double the fall.
The lightsaber customization system in the first game was one of the best parts about it. So seeing it return in such an enhanced way, is awesome! I'm so excited to play Survivor in 6-12 months!
I was wondering if they explain where all cals previous parts and crystals went
I’m surprised Bobba fett showed up!
@The Rotten💯 Iirc Deus Ex Mankind Divided did it okay by saying Adam Jensen got abducted or something after the first game while on a mission and had alot of his more advanced augs ripped out and/or damaged. (Been awhile since I played it)
@@xxrocketshark216xx4 I wish we were getting another dues ex. Just to think it got scrapped for avengers
Wait around a month and it'll be better. Trust me. People are blowing the bugs out of proportion. It's not cyberpunk level.
Incredible review, I also purchased and "played" the game on pc on release and the fact that a ton of big name reviewers failed to mention the terrible performance is ridiculous. I love that you review games on more of an average consumer PC
How many of those got it for “free”
It does not have poor performance on every system. They may have been unaware of the issues others were having when they were playing their review copy.
My older system ran things better than people with newer systems. The main problem was that you were systems have a different type of p cores and e cores. And the game for whatever reason didn’t take into account for that. At least at first. It runs great now. But yeah, for whatever reason the game was treating the processor as all the same cores. It wasn’t putting them to power ones.
My sixth generation i7 6700k and 980ti was able to run things on high settings and I wasn’t experiencing anywhere near the FPS drops that people with much stronger machines were experiencing. That’s my guess anyway.
Hi Skill-up. Loved the review, and like you I can confirm that no matter what I do to the settings nothing seems to matter. I didn't have the audio issues that you had, although occasionally you could tell the cutscene wasn't streaming well with a minor hiccup. I'm playing on an I9 9900k, RTX 3080 10GB, 64GB RAM @ 2666Mhz and Audio output through a SoundblasterX Ae-5 dedicated sound card.
I've saw a breakdown of performance showing that the issue is a CPU bottleneck, which may be a bug but it's why changing settings doesn't help. If you take your system and plop a better CPU in it, you should see an improvement but changing setting will still not change the performance. (A better CPU will result in a performance bump but the game still can't utilise the CPU properly and it will still hold the GPU back.)
The patch yesterday helped quite a bit for me. It's still not optimized by any means but playable.
Being a PC player makes me feel like Kevin McCallister when his entire family forgets to bring him on vacation.
Except you paid double or more compared to your siblings
PC players aren’t gamers. You’re a bunch of spec nerds. You don’t care about games you care about how many frames there are.
But they are the master race... their rigs are so much better then those weak consoles...
@@CornOnDeCobb hahahahah brilliant
@@michska53 seems like someones pressed lmao. it aint about their rigs. its about the game being godawfully optimized by the DEVS. lol
The biggest problem with combat is enemies can animation-cancel you but you cant animation-cancel them. So whenever you get an opportunity for a cool move or a combo type move they can just tap you before you get it off and you just take a hit
edit: to the "get good" guys in the replies. Yes, I also play on the hardest difficulty. Yes, this game is easy to abuse the dodge mechanic and it's very easy to time parries. Thats not what I or anyone is complaining about.
So this game needs a poise system like in ER or something like that
@@Omega77232 From playing Fallen Order, I think the combat desperately needs a visual spidey-sense dodge system like in Spider-man. Remember Luke "feeling the force" when Obi-Wan gave him a helmet with an opaque visor for his first training? You're a damn Jedi but in this game you're relying entirely on watching the enemy's animations and trying to get the timing just right for your dodge/parry window and it's not even a very generous window.
Use grab and guy still hits you, feels bad.
So many of the animations look so janky and don't blend into each other, and there's times where Cal has a fucking giant double-bladed lightsaber taking up the entire screen and yet manages to miss enemies that are directly in front of him.
Maybe it's not so bad actually playing it, but seeing these wonky goofy animations made me not wanna play the first game or this one.
Wrong. Get the 2 single blades...problem solved. Also get fucking good lol I'm playing on grand master and have am having an awesome time
Just a question - since you found the combat so easy on the default difficulty, did you ever consider increasing it? Would a higher difficulty have resulted in a better and more indepth combat experience?
Always play single player games like this on the highest difficulty I mean when you grow up playing dark souls...
on grandmaster a single mistake gets you absolutely thrashed
I started on the highest difficulty, but found it incredibly stupid. Most basic shit will one shot you. I turned it down 1 difficulty and since then i am in love
I made some changes to my Nvidia control that helped a ton! also if you download lasso process, disable smt, enable high performance priority for CPU and power management within lasso. In Nvidia control panel:
1. Turn image scaling on within Jedi survival program settings in the manage 3D settings tab.
2. Turn on Multisample for anti aliasing transparency.
3. Set power management to prefer maximum power.
4. Set texture filtering for anisotropic sample to on.
5. Set texture filtering for negative lod bias to allow.
6. Set texture filtering quality to performance.
7. Set texture filtering trilinear optimization to on.
In game settings. I'm running at 2k/1440p
All settings high. No FSR. No RT. On an rtx 3070, and Ryzen-9 5900x. I went from 40fps to 73fps and the picture quality looks better. Don't forget to reset game and system after implantation of new settings.
The cutscenes going all "Otototototototraffick" had me in the gut 😂
They are charging $70 for this kind of shitty quality, oh boy...
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😂 took some hits back there lol
@@RRRRRRRRR33bro it's so wild to me that were paying next gen prices for last gen games..
11:14
This is exactly why I am glad to be far behind in games I want to play. By the time I get to play a new game, it has been out for months.
Tbh, you’re like me but I’m like years behind lol. I usually do this just because I can wait for both the games and hardware prices to drop so upgrading is cheaper. Buying things upfront on release day these days suck ass.
We're literally trained into that mindset after years of this junk, and yeah it would be happening anyways for people like us as we got busier
Yep. Lol. I used to buy games at launch, but it's not 2013 anymore. I'm just now playing Tales of Arise.
Literally no one cares
Most of us PC gamers have such a huge back log of games on our Steam accounts that we can afford to be patient. There's plenty of games I can spend time with until they fix this.
Out of curiosity what OS are you on, W10 or W11? A lot of reviews are rightfully complaining about performance, but there are also those lucky few of us that had no performance issues whatsoever other than the occasional stuttering when DirectX 12 does runtime shader compilation or it loads a new zone. Those stutters for me were rather minor and DID in fact improve after a few updates. The game runs smooth as butter for me now at 1440P on maxed settings (ray tracing off).
For what it's worth I'm on the latest W11, i9 12900F and a RTX 3080. Game's on a average speed nvme SSD.
EA put out a statement that some systems experiencing these performance issues were due to some people using W10 on chipsets specifically tailored for W11, a bit hard to verify since most people - me included - won't necessarily be formatting our PCs just to test performance. But on paper, it makes sense and is not impossible to be the culprit. But naturally people shun anything EA says because gamers these days refuse to do troubleshooting and also utterly refuse to believe that some issue could potentially be on their end. God forbid their precious little computer being anything but flawless.
Personally I wish Respawn would make use of PSO Caching to help alleviate the issue of DX12 compiling shaders at runtime, or maybe they were but it was not working right. Who knows.
How many of the cutscenes did you have to re-sync the audio to use in the transitions? That's what I wanna know lol
Sounds like this'll be a joy to play next year.
Nope, the review is out of date. The Day 1 patch fixed the PC version for me.
@@acurisur so how much is disney/EA paying shills these days?
I can just imagine the problems on consoles that most Gamers will have. I will take a look at radbrad video and see if there's any problems because he is already up to part 3.🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿.
At half the price or less
@@acurisur cope
US$ 69,99 for a broken game... and then they complain about piracy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
🏴☠🦜
It doesn't even deserve to be pirated. It should be boycotted. People continue to put up with this crap.
If piracy is your first thought then maybe they shouldn't fix PC version and just focus on consoles.
@@Dryvlyne plays fine on my PS5
It’s not broken. Cyberpunk was broken. This is simply very un-optimized. Quality mode on ps5 runs well enough. Needs work but hey even naughty dog is releasing crappy pc ports.
What music is playing at 13:10? I can't seem to remember where this theme is from exactly
does this game have ambient occlusion and, if so, did you try turning it off? it has always been the suspect of frame drops for me no matter the game and I have found that most games, even on low settings, have it turned ON by default.
Gotta be honest I'm always looking for a reason to not spend a hundred bucks.
It's always worth it to play a bit older games and wait until the price has dropped, bugs have been fixed and new content released there are so many games to play already.
Same xD
Yup. Thankful for AAA games for making me save $100 at a time multiple times a year.
Time to carry on with the older games backlog.
Rather than buying a game in a bad state on release, I buy 2-4 games for the same total price half a year later. If I bought everything full price, I probably would have had 3-4 times less games than I do.
@@Shajirr_ so true, and if u wait about a year a bunch of these games are given away for free in EGS... Playing games at launch nowadays is pain.
Review was posted 1 minute ago and people in the comments act like they already watched a 30+ min video. RUclips comments in a nutshell.
3min into it & it's all mostly negative & it does not get better by 5min so you that combined with the title tells you what the rest of the review entails.
Ikr
With the performance issues all over the news, the comments are in no way surprising. Its a confirmation.
Jokes on you, I watch videos at 30x speed 🤣
@@dcptiv watch the video u weedbrain
Can anyone explain to me what might be going on when the settings are all changed to like "low settings" and things are turned off and yet nothing changes? How is that even possible? (Not doubting, I can literally see it, I just don't understand it).
Fantastic review! A game should be graded based on how it plays on day 1, not what I could play like in a few months after several patches.
This is a shining example why you don't ever want to pre-order anymore.
Unless it's FromSoftware game. Only one they ever had a really bad port of was Dark Souls 1
@@airdrifter7651 tbf Elden ring was bad for the first month on pc, choppy frames on PCs way higher specs than necessary. Didn't get fixed till the next month.
Complete products. What a concept.
zero problems on console
@@japanesegamergirl1 its because consoles are one spec. You can optimise for one ps5 and it will be the same for all PS5s.
There's so many different pieces of hardware you can have in a PC is so much harder to optimise for those systems.
Not supporting pre-order culture would go a long way to improving the quality of products at launch because developers would have less incentive to rush the product.
It wouldn't entirely resolve the problems, but it would be a great first step to sending a very clear message to the developers and publishers.
People are obviously way too weak-minded for that
Pc is the only one with issues I don’t know how they get console perfect but not pc then they release it
@@monke_man4096 You are obviously wrong. Go watch how it drops to 15 fps on PS5.
I haven't preordered a game since......well...ever. what's the point? It's available to download day one with no limitations in stock. Any preorder bonus is never worth it to me personally and I have been waiting to buy any game for years until its st least 50% off or it ends up free on ps+ because money 😂.
@@shawngaetz8161 Pre-ordering for digital goods betrays what was intended for the overall concept. It was introduced as a means to securing a copy in the event of stock being limited. That issue doesn't exist with digital.
I don’t like the idea of Cal killing mind controlled fauna that he’s done with. At least not as a Jedi. If this game had a dynamic choice system where choices affect the character and ending sure. Such choices should lead you down the dark side. But a Jedi? No. Jedi are supposed to be spiritually attuned with the force with connects all living things. Would’ve been far better if Cal put his hand on the head of whatever creature he controlled and released it from his control.
“The stances lack distinctiveness” I don’t understand that take, each stance has their pros and cons and work better for different situations
Exactly 😂. I'm replaying the game and the blaster stance is so distinct
I absolutely like how your title absolutely gets to the point
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You have my respect for having a dedicated mid range hardware that is representable of most PC rigs now adays for reviewing games
>rtx 2080ti
>mid range
Meanwhile most of bobs on steam play on gtx 1060 or rtx 3060
Lmao
@@zbigniewsmyk It's not mid range, yeah, but it's still closer to the average than what most reviewers use. Besides, a huge number of players on Steam literally just use their PC to play CSGO or DOTA which are not very demanding at all, so the most used GPUs list might not be the perfect representative of the ones who are gonna buy and play AAA titles day 1.
2080ti is far from mid range
Yeah but reviewing a multi-platform game on the most inferior platform is crazy to me.
I get he reviews it on his preferred platform but let's be honest, games are made for console so reviewing on pc this day & age is knowingly asking for an inferior product for 90% of games.
@@TheJacyn313 Games are made for profit, not console. its just a coincidence (and result of PC piracy) that console is the better market, so PC players get shit ports.
Any game made primarily for PC tends to be a better experience, compared to titles back-ported to PC after dev/publisher decided to focus on console.
This has actually aged very well. PC version still crashes constantly and they gave up on the PS5 version. I'm the idiot that bought both thinking they couldn't possibly be that bad...
question about the combat compared tot he first one. Did you play on one of the harder difficulties or easy? because the 1st game had great combat and made use of all the skills when played on the harder difficulty. it felt souls like. but on easy it was boring.
So glad the alpha testing for this game has officially started. Can't wait to play it in a year
at 50% off
Same. I still have to play the first game anyway, so I should play this in a year for about half the price.
@@Globodyne in gamepass ... 15.
Straight like that lol
Doing that with most games but I got it day one on ps5 and have no regrets since it runs great and I will have a blast the next few weeks
Thank you for being the one reviewer that didn’t treat the terrible performance issues like some minor gripe unlike soo many other reviewers for this game apparently.
Skill Up always seems to prioritize performance in his reviews
Mutahar also talked about it
The build on release seems solid, ive had no issues so far and am quite far into it now (been playing non stop since release hour)
@Wade Halvorson Agreed. While the performance on there isn't perfect either, at least its playable and doesn't hinder my experience as bad. I keep hearing that some people can't even get past the title screen on their PCs.
could just not be reviewing on pc, I wish more reviews would be multiplatform!
"This is a video game and we shouldn't overthink it"
Wrong, if we don't, most games will stay bad
Even if it ran perfectly, I’d still hate it. This is 2023 on a next gen console, why is the movement and physics system so archaic and not smooth. Make the jumping and movement better
So basically the game is good….just not for PC😂
Exactly... I am playing this on my PS5 performance literally 0 bugs so far best star wars experience
PC players never learn
@@hia5235 Never learn what ?
Dunno this game looks like something from 2015 in terms of quality.
@@hia5235 Did they ask the studio to make it buggy or what?
It’s crazy though that every game I was hyped for this year I haven’t actually played. Just waiting for fixes somewhere down the line
Hopefully Zelda/Spider Man are goated at launch.
@@carson5090 Sony would move mountains before they let a game launch buggy lol
@@gavo7911well, I suppose as long as it's console first...
Welcome to modern gaming
@@carson5090 Tears of the Kingdom will be one of the greatest games ever released. People will copy it like they do with BOTW. No one should doubt Nintendo tbh, even splatoon 3 had a very smooth launch and that had networking issues to sort out.
Couldn't agree more on the combat and platforming complaints.
I often find myself missing the linear, more focused levels of Fallen Order. In Survivor it feels like every turn is platforming, climbing, swinging, puzzling etc. and it gets exhausting. I'm aware FO was the same way but it wasn't as repetitive with its smaller levels (except the damn slides man I don't miss those). Survivor makes that "on rails" feeling stand out a lot more. There's also a lot of gotcha moments that become predictable. Any time I see a set piece that might break or whatever I just assume I'm gonna fall down a hole or something is gonna throw me off the course. It's a little bit overused.
The combat is pretty much the same. The actual mechanics of it are fine, always have been, but the stances are kind of meh. They don't add enough to really shake things up but there's still more ways to play so whatever. Crossguard is my favorite so far with double (saber staff) being very close behind.
The larger mobs and force resistant enemies are just kind of annoying. It's all doable, I'm not even having trouble, but it can be tedious. Some fights I feel like I either get shot in the back every time drop my guard/swing, or I'm heavily defending/parrying/shooting/pursuing until the ranged nerds are done for and I can clean up the rest. It is easy to get stunlocked if you aren't careful and it sucks. At least the beasts knock you down and it resets combat to neutral.
They give you these long windup moves in every tree but a lot of times you get hit, shot or both while trying to charge them. Which is fine other than the fact that, per the descrpition, a lot of these are meant to be your crowd control/AOE moves. If they were high risk, single target attacks I would feel better about them (crossguard is the only stance I use since I got it so idc that you have to think/time), but I was looking forward to these moves and I've since respecced and spent those points elsewhere. There's so many better ways to dismantle large groups that they aren't worth the effort.
There's definitely stuff from the first game that needed improvement. Unfortunately, they kept in some of those annoyances and favored adding more of them and, well, more of everything. More is great in some aspects and very samey in others. I'm enjoying the game overall but I find myself condemning the same things in Survivor that I did in Fallen Order.
I couldn't agree more about the platforming, puzzling and climbing. More than half of the game are annoying platforming puzzles and the combat encounters are few and far between. You have to jump around like a madman for 20 minutes just to fight some random storm troopers that get knocked off in less than a minute. What a waste.
doest it have denuvo?
I cannot express enough how much I value the authenticity of your reviews.
maybe u should stop being a fanboy
weird that he doesn't recommend this game due to tech issues but praised cyberpunk.
@@kluneberg8952 That's because cyperbunk had the opposite problem of this game. It ran poorly on consoles, but better on pcs. This game runs worse on pc and better on console.
Bro you're saying that this dude who said Doom 2016 was better than Doom Eternal and praised Horizon Forbidden West is authentic? Lmao, im dead 💀
It would be far better if he could discuss performance on consoles, like most reviewers can.
It’s almost like we have to start reviewing AAA games at least a year after release
Honestly that's what the competionist mostly does haha
Or just play on console
@@AKdagr8 why would I? I have a beast of a pc,I would never pay lazy developers any money,because they are not competent enough to make decent pc port.
@@AKdagr8 tbf the game is a stuttery mess on ps5 as well.
that would actually be good for the gaming industry..
I remember that, for example, even Elden Ring had some ( albeit much less than Jedi Survivor ) performance issues ( they were fixed quite fast ). Basically every AAA PC game nowadays has at least some performance issues on release and that's a worrying trend.
"you can only make money as fast as you can sell it" -Random Corporate Overlord
I respect your opinion about the combat, I also need to add that for me personal this combat system is a lot of fun. And I come from the dark souls category of player lol. Anyway, I think they improved the combat significantly compared to the first game. I would love to have the same FO in combat attack that allows you to switch to another stance.
The New Game Plus allows you to skill up the other stances. So you have excitement for that after beating the first run.
Overall this is my game of the year, and never before in Star Wars game history, I felt like a true kick ass Jedi.
Hey, I've noticed and really appreciate the fact you put the specs of which ever hardware on screen to make it easier to visually identify :) I know you've done it for a while, but the sentiment is appreciated every time. Keep up the great work. You're the best gaming news outlet out there in my opinion
Iconic Star Wars lines
"I am your father"
"These aren't the droids you're looking for"
"I have the high ground"
"TOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTOTO-"
an instant classic, iconic before release
just like that guy's hat
You forgot.
"Hello there!"
roger roger
Can't wait for this game to be fully released. The Open beta is tempting. But I want to wait till it's finished.
my rx 580 and ryzen 7 2700x setup from about 5 years ago runs it great. the only issue is the occasional frame drop to like 40 fps(from 60 fps) in high geometry areas. Seems the game is just not very well optimized for higher end setups?
Regarding the stance issue made me wish they went the DMC5 route for combat.
Edit: Dante's stance mechanics specifically
Final Fantasy 16 will solve that
Yeah, I liked Fallen Order a lot but I wish it had combat from The Force Unleashed rather than from Souls games. I guess the same thing applies here but I’ll be sure when I give the new game a try
@@AntonKontsevoi same. Those games are far better
Me personally I like the combat, it has a lot more thought to it then spamming 2 buttons during combat
@@Mr.Scott86 I’d somewhat agree with it. The Force Unleashed combat is more about “how do I kill the enemies in the most stylish and sick way to get as much points as possible” when Fallen Order combats is more like “how do I kill the enemies with the abilities I have”. To each their own, nothing wrong with enjoying any of these approaches to do in game combat.
Just finished the main story on PS5. Only had a handful of frame rate drops throughout the whole game.
It's super refreshing to see a review where someone can outline the numerous benefits and that he loved it, but also refuse to recommend it based on performance. Most reviews would just have chucked it in the trash without outlining each area positively or negatively. Definitely going to sub, and thanks for saving me $60 till this game is fixed.
Funnily enough the game isn't $60, it's actually $70.
“This video is brought to you by nvidia, not that they can help you here.”
Great zinger lol
Cool to see them improve the cosmetic drops from the previous game. Going the whole game only getting poncho and robot skins got pretty old so it's nice they added a lot more to that reward structure
Not to mention that 90% of the ponchos were hideous. I usually just kept the poncho off and wore all black. I did mess with my Lightsaber about a million times, though.
It was fine imo, and the Lightsaber customization was actually really good
@@shacuras8201 it was shit
I've said it before; the video game industry is the only industry that gets away with releasing faulty products with no repercussions. Worse, it's incentivised. I was so pissed to see how many weeks this game was in the most purchased section of Steam before launch, because people keep pre-ordering this shit when there is no reason to. Most of those people, I'm sure, aren't going to refund it (looking through about 300 negative reviews on Steam, I saw three that said the reviewer had received a refund), so EA still ends up with the cash.
This shit isn't going to change if people keep throwing good money at bad products. It needs to stop!
I’ve been playing in ps5 and have experienced no issues. Ig it wasn’t optimized for pc but from experience outside of pc and in console it’s my favorite game this year. I absolutely love it
I love Skill Up because even if I dont always agree with him I find he is the most consistent in his opinions across games that I can always TRUST his opinion.
I usually agree with you but not this time. This review is trash! play it on PS5 and he wont have these issues. But not only that, putting performance issues aside, he is just wrong about the combat and general gameplay loop. Its awesome! I feel like he shat on it way too much
Cyberpunk
I dont even watch this guy, but going through his channel i can tell he is wildly inconsistent and wrong about many games. Place your trust elsewhere, or view it as one of many opinions to consider
@Payton Mollo nope. I finished it 100% and it was awesome every step of the way. How much longer should I play it for?
Bruh my jaw dropped when you showed the audio bug for the cutscenes
Time please?
I laughed out loud.
@@seanbirch 11:13
Game was absolutely great on Xbox on launch day. My only issue was after many hours of playing and traveling between many different planets, the textures will start to blur and the game eventually crashes. This happened only about 5 times throughout my entire experience with the main questline. It gives you quite a bit of forewarning and it's probably caused by using quick resume, so you can save and restart the game pretty easily if you encounter it.
Ah yes, the immortal battle cry of all Jedi warriors: "CHO CHO CHO CHO CHO CHO CHO CHO CHO TRAFFIC!" Now that's podracing.
Thanks for the honest review, 100% on wishlist until a sale now.
It's unfortunate because Fallen Order had the exact same issue regarding cutscenes and audio desync. I never beat the first one because of this issue, and to the point, I tried playing through it again a few weeks ago, the problem still hadn't been patch, and I spent hours scouring forums and RUclips, and in 4 years, nobody had found a reliable fix.
I really love Bode to :) Thanks for a great review Skillup, for me its crazy how good the game can feel when you get into one of those very small inside areas and the fps just goes straight up, its to bad they dropped the ball on this one. Also the very frequent crashes combined with the save system is just terrible, had to redo so much stuff all the times.
Question: has a day zero/one patch ever fixed serious performance issues encountered by reviewers using earlier builds?
Not that I have ever seen or that comes to memory. I don't think there's normally just one thing bogging down performance it's a bunch of things
I doubt it
on a 5800x3d with 4090 at 3440x1440p performance isn't nearly as bad as this review, so they probably pushed a patch a few hours after launch. Still not great though.
nope. Anyone that says "day one patch will fix it" is huffing that copium HARD
Borked pc launches usually take a month at the minimum to start seeing massive faults fixed. This game as big as it is probably won't have alot of those big issues ironed out until around a little over half a year from now by my guess.
Hopefully by that point there will be a decent sale.
Publishers keep forcing hard release dates... and unsurprisingly it keeps not working XD
I can wait for a sale and also mods. My backlog of games is huge and growing.
Playing on Jedi Grandmaster and you def right about having to learn certain enemies' move types before even coming close to beating them. Still on my first play-through. Playing on Jedi Master. Having a lot of fun. No real brick walls that stopped me for a while but plenty of challenges. I found Jedi Knight to be a good difficulty for me, it wasn't so easy it became boring or monotonous and it wasn't such a challenge that I got frustrated, although a few of the bosses were particularly difficult. I considered going with Jedi Master at first since I managed to beat the fallen order on Grandmaster with relative ease, but I'm definitely glad I decided against it, at least for my first playthrough. I'll probably go on Master when I try New Journey+ though. I started last night on Jedi Master. It feels pretty good. It's challenging but not super intense. Mostly, it's the groups of 3 or more enemies where you have to play smart. Fun game! Managed to beat the game on Grandmaster and am going through on new game plus on the same difficulty right now! Those DT droids are still my least favorite enemies to come up against, but it seems like they can be staggered if you're aggressive enough and that can open them up to an instant kill animation at about 50% hp. Jedi Master is the perfect balance between difficulty and immersion to me, The Grandmaster one is doable but just less fun, you feel way too fragile. Maybe if Cal's damage output was higher okay, but it feels like hitting enemies with a wooden stick. I just finished a run on Fallen Order on Jedi Master so I felt good about my first survivor play through being on Jedi Knight. It’s about what I expected. Not so challenging that I’m frustrated but not so easy I feel invincible. I found the drop-down from grandmaster to master was surprising, GM was hardcore af, the moment you get surrounded by more than four or five enemies you need to be absolutely perfect with your dodge and parry. Master was a breeze after trying and failing at that lol Played through on Jedi Knight mode just because it felt right since Cal's a knight. It was certainly a grind, but had some pretty satisfying kills. (that's only when the damned game wouldn't crash though) The difficulty is also shown on the HUD. In the bottom left where the d-pad buttons are shown, there is a dot in 1(2 if Grandmaster) of the 4 corners. The lowest starts top left and goes CW from there with Grandmaster having 2 dots top right and bottom left Whenever I’m playing on Grandmaster, I find it much easier to use a defensive stance such as the cross guard of double saber. It really helps prevent your block meter from running out too fast Playing on the higher difficulties I found the double blade stance to be so useful against ranged attacks I feel like for Grandmaster, dual wield and cross guard are gonna be the move. Dual wield for just running around killing enemies, cross guard for those situations where your block is being drained quickly I started with Grandmaster, and personally, I used some of the force powers but it was mostly about picking off your opponents from ranged to melee or from weakest to strongest with lightsaber attacks. I was using duel wield and blaster stances. So glad to hear I’m not alone in wanting to play on the Padawan difficulty. I was playing Jedi Knight, but it wasn’t fun. It was annoying, and I couldn’t seem to get the party right. Padawan lets me not get so involved in the fight and I can step back and learn. 100%, the double blade and cross guard stance were my go-to stances in Grand Master. Cross Guard takes a lot of learning, but once you have it down, it shreds.
Oh my God. Please use paragraphing in your comments in the future.
The audio stuttering in the cutscenes is apparently caused by the VSync function when turned on - at least according to German publication GameStar you mentioned in your review.
I have v sync turned on and have had no issues. I7 and 3080.
if VSync causes that, the devs should fix it, because VSync doesn't fucking cause that kind of problem, not to mention it's high end pcs. It tells the gpu when to draw a frame, not messing with the audio.
@@swords1717 I doubt it's the problem lol
EA never fails to amaze lmao
😂
You act as if EA are the only one's having issues with porting PC games.
Yea, unfortunately all these new titles being released are awful on performance wise… They shouldn’t be releasing it until they are fixed, but most likely they dont have the final say on it…
@@lalo38th41 nope that's just how you perceive it. EA has consistently released poor pc ports, and they haven't stopped. That fact doesn't mean other publishers don't do the same and it wasn't inferred in op's comment.
EA are greedy
i9-13900k, RTX 4090, 64 GB DDR5 RAM and NVME SSD owner here: It's still not fixed.
I had that audio desync bug in the first game on PC too. It is an issue with their audio engine and they never fixed it so I wouldn't expect them to fix it now.
In Fallen Order there was a near unanimous bug with the cutscenes, the longer you played, an increasingly noticeable audio delay would stockpile. Only a reset would resync the audio
Almost all platforms had a near 15 second delay during one particular cutscene where Cal got a new crystal in an ice cave.
Strange to see that the sequel has weird audio glitches of its own
Reminds me of Dying Light 2. Also had the same audio desync issue and worse, dialogue randomly skipping. Never had that issue in Dying Light 1.
I never experienced that glitch. It sounds like a you thing.
As a PC gamer using a 3070, I truly appreciate the diligence you put into your review in terms of settings testing and attempting to find a stable baseline. I was a fan of the first one and was looking forward to this, however I have big backlog of free stuff to get through as well. MIght wait for some more patches first.
I wouldn't buy it yet on a 3070 the 2080ti is basically the same card but the 3070 has less VRAM.
i got a 3060 game runs great..
😮 Wow! So I have a 4090(Asus Rog Strix OC) and 5950x as well and my experience is completely different! I didn't run into any of the cut scene issues and it ran relatively smooth on 4k with RT on and cranked up to max settings. I was running AMD FidelityFX on quality. I tried it with AMD FidelityFX disabled and though the graphics looked better I did notice the random frame rate drop so decided to turn it back on set to quality. In the very beginning of the game I noticed random frame drops up until around the time I was able to fully control my character. The lowest I've seen my fps while monitoring was 58 and highest 121. It was averaging in the mid 80s. GPU usage was around 65% and CPU about 25%. GPU memory was almost at 12900. 🤔 It's pretty odd that people's experiences with this game is so all over the place even with similar hardware.
Bro, you have almost the best GPU and CPU in the world. Just because you don't have problems does not mean game isn't broken.
@Berkay Mert 🤦🏾♂️ You obviously didn't pay attention to this video. He tested on basically the same build as I have and he had plenty of issues. My point is that the game IS messed up being 2 people with the same type of build have very different experiences with this games stability. Meaning it's not the graphics card nor the CPU that's at fault here. It's their optimization that's the issue.
@@konchuzthawt According to Digital Foundry the game is indeed broken.
See, this review just proves again that you're a genuine brother-in-arms Ralph, one of us. Safest hands in the game at this point. Don't ever change man.
45 min ago EA released the obligatory "We're sorry the game is not up our usual standards".
Unplayable IS the EA standard.
“The game is actually functioning a bit better than we’d aimed for, and we’re terribly sorry for this.”
It's really not up to RESPAWN's standards, but it's well within EA's "quality standard".
It's almost been 2 years and they still cant even push DICE to get 2042 up to snuff, the bar is low.
I guess dead space was alright, but I wouldnt call that game optimized at all.
The only thing unusual about this EA game is that I was considering purchasing it
*was
can you link it
Always rewarding to be a patient gamer these days.
most of these games never even get fixed. Look at fallen order, or elden ring, or dead space, or stray, or ghostwire tokyo, the list REALLY goes on
It is if you have the time and flexibility. Some of us have not
Either way. There is no excuse for products that we pay for to be this poor at launch.
@@iamastrangeloop96 why did u mention elden ring
It was fixed a few days after launch
Well all I know i haven't had many bugs or I have not seen them im on console though not alot of bugs on console.
@@iamastrangeloop96 I don't understand. Those are all good games aside from Ghostwire Tokyo.
Great review only points I'd argue are Respawn being able to do good melee combat because they can do good FPS, that's the mindset Microsoft had when they gave Lionhead studios stupid projects like Fable Journeys and whatever Fable Legends was supposed to be, being good at one form of game design doesn't exactly mean those qualities shift to apply to others. The other point I'd argue for is stances, because, those do actually exist in Star Wars and this being the first game aside from KotoR to actually apply it, and in an actually meaningful way rather than just defensive/offensive is nice. Generally lightsaber masters focused on a single form, like Count Dooku was apparently an incredible master of Form 2, Anakin of Form 6 and Obi-Wan of Form 3. I think it's actually mentioned in the last game that Cal learnt a particular form from his master who learnt it from the actual teacher of the form in the Jedi Temple.
Yet ANOTHER REASON to not buy triple A games on day 1. I play mainly on console so I'm glad Gamefly exists for renting regardless of if these problems were to happen or not. Which I've heard the ps5 version still has some of the same issues.
No one told me I’d be adventuring with Charles Smith again! Also, I love your honesty and the info you share in your reviews. There’s a reason you’re one of the best! Keep it up!
I keep expecting him to say “c’mon, Arthur”
Noshir Dalal is absolutely awesome
Nah this aussie guy tries to be edgy with opinions just because. Gameranx is much better. He lost me with the "swashbuckling adeventure" talking about star wars lol
@@mhutch5082 he lost me at the last of us remake
@@mhutch5082 I definitely am a huge fan of gameranx. They’ve been so consistent with their content for years now!
The performance in the first game completely soured the experience for me. Looks like I will be waiting a long while to play this one.
Strangely enough I had a similar issue with Jedi fallen order on my 5700xt. While playing within the limits of the card performance in that title was fine but I noticed changing graphics settings did little to nothing to help frame rate and only resolution really changed anything. While lowering resolution does do most of the work in helping with frame rates, I was able to make the game look like play doh at 1440p and the frame rate remained the same. Though I had fun with that title and the performance was ok for the most part. Just an odd realization seeing these results.
25:20 I feel like some way to tie in stance switching better is to make intermediary attacks (similar to bloodborne's weapons) and allow for 4 stances to be equipped. For example, I have 1-2 (Right) and (Left) 3-4 binded to left and right respectively. If I attack, and then stance switch by hitting another button, it does a special move. If I switch back, it does the final combo attack as if I just did the normal string. Maybe if I double pressed my left dpad, it'd switch from 2 -> 1, or as an accessibility feature (or hell, a way to equip 6 total stances!), holding the dpad button switches from 3 -> 4 (maybe 3 -> 6 if both hold and double press can somehow work together?) Just throwing some ideas.
I guess I’ll play this in a year or so when it’s hopefully discounted
It will end up up on EA Play/ Game Pass too.
Why not get it for console, I was thinking of getting it today but definitely not for PC as it would be how videogames should be played in my opinion
@@JakeGottfriedStudiosit runs like shit on console too. Performance mode is horrendous
@Jake Gottfried mods too a good reason for pc but the 1st gane ran better on pc then on ps5 for me even on performance mode better just get it for pc if u can
Wait for game pass
They were BRAVE to send you a review code...
is cal x merrin a thing in jedi survivor?
Im curious,what kind of PCs do the developers make these games on? cos if they use what is available to the public,albeit on the higher end,they should be aware of these issues,right?
And if this game runs well on consoles,why not pcs,which are usually more powerful?
20 years ago Jedi Academy and KOTOR was released. Hasn't been the same since...
Rosh penin makes any game better
As an enormous fan of Jedi Academy and Kyle Katarn, this game is vastly better.
The game itself is fantastic, just unlucky that PC is hard to optimise for devs these days
Stuck in the past
Buddy Kotor still isn't fixed lmao
"Runs like my ass after Taco Bell."
Doesn't that mean it runs smooth?
Fluid and violent.
Explosively violent and vaguely painful beforehand as a warning
Means it runs like shit lol where’d you get smooth? You felt their ass before or something? 🤣
"Ohhh hey babe"
Irregular and disgusting.
hey speaking of wild hearts can someone confirm if it's still running poorly?
Did you use Windows 10 or 11 for testing?
Gotham knights purchase made me realise to trust your reviews mate , keep going
Tbh, a blindfolded, unconscious Stevie Wonder could've took one look at that from the jump and knew it was a big nope.😅
@blueblur02 yup u called it, anyone with 2 eyes and half a brain could have seen that game was gunna blow hard chunks
Never pre order
understandable
What gave me a bad vibe about Gotham is ps5 being at 30fps…