Click link below and then use code Matt60 at checkout to save and extra $60 on either ebike. alnk.to/bEizwPk - Velotric T1 ST Plus (cheaper) alnk.to/44VZlKW - Velotric T1
A couple weeks ago I picked up the Thunder 1 ST. I was on the fence if I should splurge and get the Regular Thunder 1 but right now for a difference of 500 dollars I couldn’t justify it. The ST doesn’t have the app but that’s totally fine. Having the info there isn’t going to change the way I ride or how I go about my day. Also the range is probably much closer in reality from one bike to the other. I’ve done 20 mile bike rides (Mostly on eco and normal with the exception for some small hills in turbo) and I’ve never gone off of 4 out of 4 bars for battery. It’s also plenty fast enough for the bike trails I take it on. Unlocked mine and it goes to 25 no problem. (The bike doesn’t feel like it hits a brick wall at 25 I just would have to put in a lot more effort to get to 27+. My wife’s Aventon Pace 500.3 feels like you hit a hard limit at 28 so for cruising realistically you’d be at 27ish.) The motor is whisper silent and smooth. The bike being so light weight going anywhere from 15-20 mph cruising is just so effortless you don’t need a throttle at all on this bike tbh. My only complaint is the bike scratches so easy when locking it up at a bike rack. The paint could be much more robust in my opinion and what would that cost in total maybe 50 bucks more? Also the headlight could be a tad brighter but the auto headlight is cool and works well. The simplicity of this bike is what makes it so great! At $1240 with the sale and the $60 off referral promo code there is literally nothing that competes directly with this bike. Other bikes are fixed gear or belt driven with a smaller 250 motor. This bike has the flexibility of riding the streets or gravel roads and trails. Over all color me impressed!
I just got the ST for $999! I'm a 5'6" woman and got the small - glad I did! I've only had it a few days but am already really enjoying it! I was able to put it together myself with the help of the videos they provided. It fits on my regular Saris bones bike rack, as it weighs the same as my regular 21-speed bike. I wanted a lighter bike for this reason (the bike rack) and overall manageability for a single person. I get plenty of oomph from the pedal assist without a throttle. I appreciate that it has hydraulic brakes (though its light enough it may not have needed them) and torque sensor. I got a different phone holder (a pouch with a clear cover, so the phone is safe in the rain) and bought a rear view mirror from the same website (Temu) as the phone pouch. It does have Presta valves on the tires so I had to get a bike pump that can accomodate them, as well as a small tire gauge for portability. I find the more you pedal, the more assist you get. So far so good!!
I really like the style of your reviews! They have all the important details and are still relaxed and entertaining. Your standard 20% grade test is helpful too. BTW, for the T1's 45 Nm motor to climb that hill, you would need to weigh less than 110 lbs (yeah, me neither). But it should be able to carry your 200 lbs up a 12% grade without slowing down. I pick up my T1 ST from a local dealer tomorrow.
Your channel has been very informative. Must be nice living is Los Santos! I just ordered the T1ST. Thanks for the coupon code, they gave me your discount in addition to the sale price of 999.00. very nice!
I have the ST and I’m 255 lbs and that thing flies when I pedal! It was such a great feeling to keep up with my cycling group for a 20 mile ride and at the same time get a good workout by turning the bike to a setting that you need ❤❤❤ I love my bike! I was about to buy a Trek FX +2 and this thing destroyed the Trek 😂
Cooldadyo: Thanks for posting the above. I rode a Trek FX+2 & really liked it, especially that fact that it just had 3 PAS. On other Ebikes I have ridden the 1st two PAS seem pointless. I have yet to find a ST locally to test ride so I on hold for the time being. Could you elaborate why you feel that ST destroys the FX+2 (the price of the ST is certainly a starting point...) ?
This was super helpful. I Just did a test ride last week on the Velotric T1 ST and loved writing it and for the past few days I have been researching the differences between the two. At first I was leaning towards the T1, but the differences you pointed out in your video have made me decide that the best bike for us, we're going to buy two of them, is the T1ST.
Beware of Velotric. I got my Discover 1 in October of 2022 and it was great… for six months. Started failing all over the place and even under warranty their customer service refused to help. Switched to another brand and am so happy.
Good review, covers all you need to know and makes me want to go for a ride. Getting back into riding after retirement and using a 1970's Schwinn Varsity (44 lb) as a reference. An Aventon Soltera looked good but this looks better, if a little more expensive. The RUclips vid on battery replacement looks a little challenging but doable.
Just ordered the ST last night with your code MATT60. Thanks for the discount and reviews! I truly appreciate the time you put into these. Can’t wait till my bike is delivered in a week!
I'm 6-2 and a half so I bought the T1 large. It's a cool bike but not a confortable fit. I also bought the Orange ST in medium, a much better fit! The T1 is NOT a bike for a tall person, the STin medium is much better suited for a taller person. I also changed the handle bar out on the T1 to give me some rise. In the end the orange ST bike is still more comfortable.
it's a small and niche audience cross shopping these two bikes, but I also know it's difficult to understand the differences watching a single review of either bike or looking at the spec sheets on their website and the point of this channel is to deliver good info so everyone can get the right bike for them ⚡️ 🤙 happy riding!
I got the thunder 1, loving it. There are times I would like a more relaxed riding position though. Also, I don't have apple, so that was a factor. Great video!
Basically like all E bikes. I researched about 20 brands and there’s only about four of those brands you can get in Canada. So you can try to buy on the US website but you’ll pay a lot for shipping and who knows what the hell you’ll pay in duty.
Was almost dead set on the T1. Being 6’2 and commuting in very hilly areas I’m almost now considering the ST. Seems like it’s a more enjoyable ride. I’ve heard from others that they experience motor surge.
On occasion there are very brief moments of motor surge like a split second. By no means does it feel like it’s gonna get away from you and send you flying but it’s a little annoying at lower speeds. It seems to always happen when I’m moving the position of my pedals as I turn or something and it thinks I’m trying to start jogging on the bike then quickly shuts off the motor. This event lasts less than a half second literally and has never seemed unsafe to me. I’ve ridden cadence sensors that are WAYYYYYY WORSE.
The surge is like 1-2 sec, and nothing terrible. I had the ST for a month now and over 200 miles. It's usually after you pedal hard and stop; if you hit the brakes, you will still stop. It's also less common in Eco mode, which I spent 99% of the time on. It's a class 1 e-bike; you'll need to put work into it to have fun.
@whaws Did you purchase either of the T1 or T1-ST? If the T1-ST how do you find the fit for your height? I’m considering both for the same reason. I like having full leg extension and enough of a reach to the bars to not feel cramped. Perhaps if needed a longer seat post and handlebar stem might customize the fit for the ST at a minimal expense.
Bought the T1 and I wish I had done a little more study. The Bike works well burt the App lets it down. I am discovering that the App issue is not unique to me or my Android phone. I challenge to go back and check the App reliability. Too many people are having issues and Velotric is unresponsive with a fix solution. I think the App is doing way more than it should on the phone and continuously loses pairing in with the bike in the middle of a ride session. The GPS continues to work but the telemetry of your ride session is lost when it loses pairing. However the phone stays connected in Bluetooth settings. Do another video on the App reliability. I am willing to bet you had issues with the T1 and the Velotric App but just thought it was a glitch.
Great comparison video! I decided on getting one of these largely based on you’re previous videos for these ebikes, and had decided to go with the T1 despite the higher price. BUT then they dropped the price on the ST by another $100 in a flash sale, making the price difference too much for me to ignore for the extra features. So I ordered the ST earlier this week using your discount code and it should arrive this weekend. This video makes me think the ST will be a better fit for me. Thanks for these videos!
I like the frame geometry ST because it looks lower on the top tube. I hate having not much room between the top tube and my crotch. Makes mounting and dismounting easier.
Question: What's the best ebike lcd display in your opinion? Not much for screen comparisons out there. I really want voltage and wattage info on the screen!
So, I understand that the Thunder 1 has a 40T chainring while the ST has a 42T. Did you notice a difference between the 2 bikes directly attributable to the difference in that spec? I live in a relatively flat area and was thinking of upgrading my ordered Thunder 1 to a 44T and I thought you might have an opinion of the tradeoffs on that type of modification. TIA!
I have to admit I’m embarrassed to have missed this difference in my comparison, if there is a different getting the difference is so minimal I didn’t even notice while comparing them side by side
I’m wanting just a simple inexpensive trail bike for concrete riding mainly on bike trails in the big cities of Texas. What would be your recommendation of an ST with gears vs a Ride1up v2 gravel addition 1 gear?
Very nice looking bikes but I don't like torque sensors because you have to keep the amount of effort from yourself high to keep the bike moving fast which isn't the reason I got into ebikes. Cadence is better as you can put however much effort in or even ghost pedal and it still assists at full power.
I don’t recall exactly but you can always swap the front big gear to a larger one to reduce your cadence at high speed. This is super cheap and easy to do
Sounds like the Velotric T1 ST is the best for casual riders.. the question is, how does it compare against it's cheaper cousin the Velotric Discover 1? Any thoughts on other budget ebikes.. BanditBikes UXT / ForeRunner , Aventon Level 2, Soltera.2 , or Gravel Roadster v2?
I’ve been looking for a really lightweight bible ebike. Really enjoyed this review, I ended up purchasing one through my local bike shop, but I really appreciate your breakdown on the differences between the models beyond the app! Great content!
Not sure why you consider it so unlikely one's bike might be stolen...it's basically guaranteed here in Eugene, OR. You basically just make bike harder to steal than those around it, or just never leave it alone : (
That's a Kaws (Brian Donnelly, AKA "KAWS") sculpture at 12:13 to 12:20 or so; entitled "BFF". But yes, a great bike review. Thanks again. These Velotrics are very elegant and clean in appearance.
Click link below and then use code Matt60 at checkout to save and extra $60 on either ebike.
alnk.to/bEizwPk - Velotric T1 ST Plus (cheaper)
alnk.to/44VZlKW - Velotric T1
A couple weeks ago I picked up the Thunder 1 ST. I was on the fence if I should splurge and get the Regular Thunder 1 but right now for a difference of 500 dollars I couldn’t justify it. The ST doesn’t have the app but that’s totally fine. Having the info there isn’t going to change the way I ride or how I go about my day. Also the range is probably much closer in reality from one bike to the other. I’ve done 20 mile bike rides (Mostly on eco and normal with the exception for some small hills in turbo) and I’ve never gone off of 4 out of 4 bars for battery. It’s also plenty fast enough for the bike trails I take it on. Unlocked mine and it goes to 25 no problem. (The bike doesn’t feel like it hits a brick wall at 25 I just would have to put in a lot more effort to get to 27+. My wife’s Aventon Pace 500.3 feels like you hit a hard limit at 28 so for cruising realistically you’d be at 27ish.) The motor is whisper silent and smooth. The bike being so light weight going anywhere from 15-20 mph cruising is just so effortless you don’t need a throttle at all on this bike tbh. My only complaint is the bike scratches so easy when locking it up at a bike rack. The paint could be much more robust in my opinion and what would that cost in total maybe 50 bucks more? Also the headlight could be a tad brighter but the auto headlight is cool and works well. The simplicity of this bike is what makes it so great! At $1240 with the sale and the $60 off referral promo code there is literally nothing that competes directly with this bike. Other bikes are fixed gear or belt driven with a smaller 250 motor. This bike has the flexibility of riding the streets or gravel roads and trails.
Over all color me impressed!
I just got the ST for $999! I'm a 5'6" woman and got the small - glad I did! I've only had it a few days but am already really enjoying it! I was able to put it together myself with the help of the videos they provided. It fits on my regular Saris bones bike rack, as it weighs the same as my regular 21-speed bike. I wanted a lighter bike for this reason (the bike rack) and overall manageability for a single person. I get plenty of oomph from the pedal assist without a throttle. I appreciate that it has hydraulic brakes (though its light enough it may not have needed them) and torque sensor. I got a different phone holder (a pouch with a clear cover, so the phone is safe in the rain) and bought a rear view mirror from the same website (Temu) as the phone pouch. It does have Presta valves on the tires so I had to get a bike pump that can accomodate them, as well as a small tire gauge for portability. I find the more you pedal, the more assist you get. So far so good!!
@@darlin5167how does the torque sensor feel, does it feel natural
@@ShouldaWaved there is a very slight surge when you go from no power to the first level of assist. Something to get used to but not a dealbreaker.
I really like the style of your reviews! They have all the important details and are still relaxed and entertaining. Your standard 20% grade test is helpful too. BTW, for the T1's 45 Nm motor to climb that hill, you would need to weigh less than 110 lbs (yeah, me neither). But it should be able to carry your 200 lbs up a 12% grade without slowing down.
I pick up my T1 ST from a local dealer tomorrow.
Your channel has been very informative. Must be nice living is Los Santos! I just ordered the T1ST. Thanks for the coupon code, they gave me your discount in addition to the sale price of 999.00. very nice!
I have the ST and I’m 255 lbs and that thing flies when I pedal! It was such a great feeling to keep up with my cycling group for a 20 mile ride and at the same time get a good workout by turning the bike to a setting that you need ❤❤❤ I love my bike! I was about to buy a Trek FX +2 and this thing destroyed the Trek 😂
Cooldadyo: Thanks for posting the above. I rode a Trek FX+2 & really liked it, especially that fact that it just had 3 PAS. On other Ebikes I have ridden the 1st two PAS seem pointless.
I have yet to find a ST locally to test ride so I on hold for the time being. Could you elaborate why you feel that ST destroys the FX+2 (the price of the ST is certainly a starting point...) ?
enjoy these lightweight ebike reviews. keep up the good work!
This was super helpful. I Just did a test ride last week on the Velotric T1 ST and loved writing it and for the past few days I have been researching the differences between the two. At first I was leaning towards the T1, but the differences you pointed out in your video have made me decide that the best bike for us, we're going to buy two of them, is the T1ST.
Beware of Velotric. I got my Discover 1 in October of 2022 and it was great… for six months. Started failing all over the place and even under warranty their customer service refused to help.
Switched to another brand and am so happy.
What other bike is 37 pounds,and electric
Love the vid. Unfortunately I ordered the T1just for the gray black color. Just wish the ST came in the same color.
T1 have that cool look also the color 😍
thanks for this comparison. I will definitely consider one of these. I would like to ride them before I made a decision
Good review, covers all you need to know and makes me want to go for a ride. Getting back into riding after retirement and using a 1970's Schwinn Varsity (44 lb) as a reference. An Aventon Soltera looked good but this looks better, if a little more expensive. The RUclips vid on battery replacement looks a little challenging but doable.
Just ordered the ST last night with your code MATT60. Thanks for the discount and reviews! I truly appreciate the time you put into these. Can’t wait till my bike is delivered in a week!
I'm 6-2 and a half so I bought the T1 large. It's a cool bike but not a confortable fit. I also bought the Orange ST in medium, a much better fit! The T1 is NOT a bike for a tall person, the STin medium is much better suited for a taller person. I also changed the handle bar out on the T1 to give me some rise. In the end the orange ST bike is still more comfortable.
Thank you for the comparison. This was very detailed. I too would choose the ST as it’s more comfortable, and provides the same speed.
Another very well put together video with awesome Info. Thank you for all the work you put in on your videos.
it's a small and niche audience cross shopping these two bikes, but I also know it's difficult to understand the differences watching a single review of either bike or looking at the spec sheets on their website and the point of this channel is to deliver good info so everyone can get the right bike for them ⚡️ 🤙 happy riding!
@@TailHappyTV Your channel has been crucial In my endeavor to find a bike and start my journey. Thank You again.
Amen! Love this guy
I got the thunder 1, loving it. There are times I would like a more relaxed riding position though. Also, I don't have apple, so that was a factor. Great video!
You can always get riser bars for comfort
@@ianmangham4570 good point. I'll have to look into that
There's an Android app for the Thunder 1.
@@stimpy1414 yup, it works well
I think cadence sensor bikes should have a slider for the assist levels with 5 detent positions.
If you ever review the Ristretto 512 e-bikes I swear I’ll be the first to watch
I don’t understand why Velotric hasn’t started selling their bikes in Canada. We can’t buy them here.
😭
@@SilverWatcher.The company is dying
Basically like all E bikes. I researched about 20 brands and there’s only about four of those brands you can get in Canada. So you can try to buy on the US website but you’ll pay a lot for shipping and who knows what the hell you’ll pay in duty.
Just pick up at the border, I’ve bought two Velotric already.
@@a395205700 Great idea. Except I’m an 8 hour drive from the border.
Was almost dead set on the T1. Being 6’2 and commuting in very hilly areas I’m almost now considering the ST. Seems like it’s a more enjoyable ride. I’ve heard from others that they experience motor surge.
On occasion there are very brief moments of motor surge like a split second. By no means does it feel like it’s gonna get away from you and send you flying but it’s a little annoying at lower speeds. It seems to always happen when I’m moving the position of my pedals as I turn or something and it thinks I’m trying to start jogging on the bike then quickly shuts off the motor. This event lasts less than a half second literally and has never seemed unsafe to me. I’ve ridden cadence sensors that are WAYYYYYY WORSE.
The surge is like 1-2 sec, and nothing terrible. I had the ST for a month now and over 200 miles. It's usually after you pedal hard and stop; if you hit the brakes, you will still stop. It's also less common in Eco mode, which I spent 99% of the time on.
It's a class 1 e-bike; you'll need to put work into it to have fun.
@whaws Did you purchase either of the T1 or T1-ST? If the T1-ST how do you find the fit for your height? I’m considering both for the same reason. I like having full leg extension and enough of a reach to the bars to not feel cramped. Perhaps if needed a longer seat post and handlebar stem might customize the fit for the ST at a minimal expense.
Bought the T1 and I wish I had done a little more study. The Bike works well burt the App lets it down. I am discovering that the App issue is not unique to me or my Android phone.
I challenge to go back and check the App reliability. Too many people are having issues and Velotric is unresponsive with a fix solution. I think the App is doing way more than it should on the phone and continuously loses pairing in with the bike in the middle of a ride session. The GPS continues to work but the telemetry of your ride session is lost when it loses pairing. However the phone stays connected in Bluetooth settings. Do another video on the App reliability. I am willing to bet you had issues with the T1 and the Velotric App but just thought it was a glitch.
Great comparison video! I decided on getting one of these largely based on you’re previous videos for these ebikes, and had decided to go with the T1 despite the higher price. BUT then they dropped the price on the ST by another $100 in a flash sale, making the price difference too much for me to ignore for the extra features. So I ordered the ST earlier this week using your discount code and it should arrive this weekend.
This video makes me think the ST will be a better fit for me. Thanks for these videos!
I like the frame geometry ST because it looks lower on the top tube. I hate having not much room between the top tube and my crotch. Makes mounting and dismounting easier.
Isn't there a throttle mode only without pedaling? You always do a speed test without pedaling.
Very helpful
Question: What's the best ebike lcd display in your opinion?
Not much for screen comparisons out there. I really want voltage and wattage info on the screen!
The T1 comes in a large frame. I would've thought you would have preferred that size over the ST being limited to the med frame.
That was my problem with the ST but i just the T1 ST plus came out with a large frame size
On the t1, once the bike is all set up, do you have to have the app on to still change ride modes?
Would the Blue T1 make it to the Hollywood sign? Id love to see that video to see how it handles that distance and the hills.
I think it would do it just fine, it is geared properly to climb and the motor is strong enough.
Just out of curiosity, which product caused that black skid mark on your floor?
Can you review the Ridstar Ebike or the HAPPYRUN Ebike?
avalon playa vista gps immage lolll
So, I understand that the Thunder 1 has a 40T chainring while the ST has a 42T. Did you notice a difference between the 2 bikes directly attributable to the difference in that spec? I live in a relatively flat area and was thinking of upgrading my ordered Thunder 1 to a 44T and I thought you might have an opinion of the tradeoffs on that type of modification. TIA!
I have to admit I’m embarrassed to have missed this difference in my comparison, if there is a different getting the difference is so minimal I didn’t even notice while comparing them side by side
what do you even do with all these e-bikes
great review thanks man ....peace out
I’m wanting just a simple inexpensive trail bike for concrete riding mainly on bike trails in the big cities of Texas. What would be your recommendation of an ST with gears vs a Ride1up v2 gravel addition 1 gear?
I'm wondering this as well
Is there a similar minimalist type ebike but with a larger motor and twist throttle?
By adding a throttle and larger motor you are....no longer minimalist. So the answer is no.
You knew what he meant. @@susanlea7759
Very nice looking bikes but I don't like torque sensors because you have to keep the amount of effort from yourself high to keep the bike moving fast which isn't the reason I got into ebikes. Cadence is better as you can put however much effort in or even ghost pedal and it still assists at full power.
Don't buy this nightmare of a bike. STAY AWAY
What's wrong with it
I would change the seat and my handlebars anyway I always do to make the bike comfortable for me 😊
Can you tell about this torque sensor setting how much foot RPM (cadence) when you reach 25MPH. Hopefully you can share that number for us. Thanks.
I don’t recall exactly but you can always swap the front big gear to a larger one to reduce your cadence at high speed. This is super cheap and easy to do
Also do you have a Link to the Lock you use??
Looks like Abus folding bike lock. Maybe Granit X model. I use a similar one called FoldyLock Forever.
Sounds like the Velotric T1 ST is the best for casual riders.. the question is, how does it compare against it's cheaper cousin the Velotric Discover 1?
Any thoughts on other budget ebikes.. BanditBikes UXT / ForeRunner , Aventon Level 2, Soltera.2 , or Gravel Roadster v2?
Looks the velotric offers the ST plus now, which has a large size.
I’ve been looking for a really lightweight bible ebike. Really enjoyed this review, I ended up purchasing one through my local bike shop, but I really appreciate your breakdown on the differences between the models beyond the app! Great content!
Not sure why you consider it so unlikely one's bike might be stolen...it's basically guaranteed here in Eugene, OR. You basically just make bike harder to steal than those around it, or just never leave it alone : (
That's a Kaws (Brian Donnelly, AKA "KAWS") sculpture at 12:13 to 12:20 or so; entitled "BFF". But yes, a great bike review. Thanks again. These Velotrics are very elegant and clean in appearance.
What do you do with the extra bikes, do you sell them? For less
I would never lock a bike to a wooden sign that could just be lifted or cut. 2 bikes stolen and luckily they were cheap regular bikes.
I have the T1ST, and it is a great fitness bike. A little speed demon, it is.
Is the T1 ST Medium too small for a 6'1 male in your opinion?
Great to see side by side like this.
hey! love the channel! im thinking about getting the raev bullet ebike. could you do a review on that! thanks. keep up the good work😊
Thanks 🙏 I should be getting there newest model, the GTX, in September
that would be nice! could you do the bullet too? just the normal one because the other ones are a little bit out of my budget 😅
The red bike a step through? Hardly.