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Tough Protein Questions, Answered l Doctor's Farmacy with Mark Hyman, M.D. EP11
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- My guest in this episode of The Doctor’s Farmacy is David Heber MD, PhD. Dr. Heber is the founding director of the UCLA Center for Human Nutrition, a professor of medicine and public health, and the founding chief of the division of clinical nutrition in the department of medicine. Dr. Heber also directs the National Cancer Institute-funded clinical nutrition research unit and the National Institute of Health’s nutrition and obesity training grants at UCLA.
As if that wasn’t enough, Dr. Heber has published hundreds of articles and written 25 book chapters and two professional textbooks. Throughout his distinguished career, Dr. Heber has done primary research in the fields of obesity treatment and prevention, the role of nutrition, and phytochemicals. He’s an extraordinary physician and an inspiration to me.
Tune into this brand new episode of The Doctor’s Farmacy for more!
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Dr. Hyman is a 10 time #1 New York Times bestselling author, family physician and international leader in the field of Functional Medicine. His podcast, The Doctor's Farmacy, is a place for deep conversations about the critical issues of our time in the space of health, wellness, food and politics. New episodes are released every Wednesday here on RUclips, and wherever you listen to podcasts.
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I applaud you Dr. Hyman for bringing on Dr. Heber to your show. Frequently, those who advocate for a particular diet, tend to immerse themselves in an echo chamber full of like minded individuals who largely concur with each other. It speaks to your intellectual integrity that you are willing to bring on someone with somewhat contradictory views to your own.
It’s always good to have a range of viewpoints involved in any important discussion.
@@drmarkhyman Just an excellent job (speaking as an grass fed paleo older guy) with this interview. There are so many intelligent, charismatic doctors/scientists out there with their own contradictory but equally well-articulated agendas, and to have a dialogue that doesn't confuse civilians like me is wonderful. I compare this to your recent interview with high protein advocate Gabrielle Lyon (someone who clearly doesn't believe that climate change is real). All three of you are coming at it from different perspectives, but it's easy to see the common thread - we need more protein and our current meat producing system is killing us in so many ways. That's the key takeaway which you skillfully tease out. But the next step is action. I can afford to buy grass fed, but it's way too expensive for the average person.
That was a very skillful and informative interview. Masterful! Dr Hymen kept him from the politics of meat eating and focused on nutrition. I must say, Dr. Heber is a dynamo. At the introduction he looked like a tired older guy and then he was unleashed. I'll have what he's having.
He says so many things that Dr.Hyman disagrees but he still shows him respect and is courteous. I love all of Dr. Hyman's interviews - because of what he brings to it, esp this interview..
Great example by two professionals of how to discuss topics with civility. Love Dr. Heber's passion. Bet he's a great teacher.
Thanks!
Man this Dr Heber has great energy and is a wealth of info
Love how you Dr. Hyman kept it on topic, friendly and curious.
Thanks!
Much respect to you Dr Hyman. You're a very intelligent and graceful individual. Love your show! Cheers from SocaL USA!
In 2016 I went on a strict Vegan diet. All clean food, about 60 grams of protein per day. I'm a weight lifter who does HIIT cardio and walking. I implemented this Vegan diet to lower my blood pressure and improve my pattern of eating...which was not good at the time. I lost lean muscle mass, and my hair started to shed daily. I looked awful. People told me " whatever you're doing....please stop. You look horrible." It gave me a droopy almost loose skin appearance that I've reduced down since, but not totally gotten rid of just yet....over 2 years later.. The protein was way too low and not of high enough quality....maybe even calories too low as well. Something very strange went on there. My blood pressure was very very slow to drop. After I switched to a version of Dr. Hyman's diet, my blood pressure really dropped. I'm now at 100/60 consistently. Strict Vegan for a weight lifter has got to be done very carefully, if at all. Thank you for the video.
Love this interview! Two amazing docs who share tons of science based health information!
Dr. Heber needs to update his education by learning of the ketogenic diet.
28:08 Wonderful moment of finding middle ground - 'Sugar is addictive..' - One great moment in a fascinating interview of many great moments. Bravo Dr. Hyman for pulling up, checks & balances, on Dr Hebers sometimes all encompassing statements .
The more I listen to you the more I know. Thank you for being there.
Wow!, I am blown away With your interview. Dr Heber is the man to listen to. Brilliant, thank you
He certainly is a smart guy--I’ve learned a lot from him!
He works miracles at UCLA where the brightest and the best reside
Please ask Anthony Williams (medical medium ) to be on your show and discuss the same topics (amount of protein actually needed, macronutrients, which sources of macro & micro nutrients etc... ) He won’t let anyone or organization fund him & control what he can and cannot say. Given he’s a medium for the spirit of health anyone would trust that more. Don’t we all want just want to hear the TRUTH??
Of course we’ve all got the truth in us, no science and research or health gurus needed. But this is the illusion we play in so let’s let ppl like Anthony wake the sleeping up .
I appreciate how you carefully disagreed with this man. I truly believe he believes in what he preaches, but I don't necessarily agree.
We’ve all got our own views based on the context and information we’ve gathered. All we can do is continue to have these ‘healthy’ dialogues and do what we can to learn, grow, and share ;)
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We also have our own views based on our diet and lifestyle. I eat a healthy plant based whole foods diet. I get an adequate amount of protein, vitamins, etc. I don't need to consume processed oils, that includes olive oil, mct oil, coconut oil etc. I eat plenty of nuts, seeds, avocados, and an occasional coconut. I have healthy fats covered. I do eat small amounts of olive oil and organic vegan "butter"(Melt), whole grain breads and pastas in small amounts just because I like them. I get so tired of hearing people say we don't need carbs. Yes we do. Vegetables are carbs. We need carbs to live a healthy, happy long life. The doctor states that vegetables are important, all vegetables are a source of carbs. What we don't need is processed carbs and large amounts of carbs, we also don't need large amounts of proteins or fats.
I am sure you are aware that the inuits(Eskimos) consume small amounts carbs (berries and roots).
I don't know why you kept making the remark about 9 cups of beans. One and a half cups of black beans has 18 grams of protein. Whole grains, whole grain bread and pasta are also good sources of protein. Nuts and seeds also add protein. Vegetables also have protein. Protein adds up quick on a whole foods plant based diet. In fact after I read Valter Longo's book I cut back on my tofu because I was getting too much protein based on his recommendations. I also get plenty of Leucine from oats, beans, legumes, nuts seeds, and even corn and peas. I did try very low carb for several months to experiment. I am much healthier and happier with my carbs. This is my point of view from my personal experience.
And that works for you, i have had stomach issues since i was born, i was worse when not eating Animal products
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We do not need to eat carbohydrates. We need essential fatty acids and essential amino acids. There is no such thing as essential carbohydrates. Fir every 100 grams of complete proteins a person eats the liver generated 64 grams of carbohydrates. Any excess carbohydrates from diet in the blood stream is toxic to blood vessels, organs and other tissues.
Excellent interview - loved the back-and-forth discussions.
“Wait for it, wait for it...”
The conversation takes a turn once they started talking about the myths of dietary fats & cholesterol and not his personal beliefs of vegetarian vs carnivore diets.
But wow, what a rough start. I figured Mark had some reason for uploading this conversation however it was difficult to see why for the first 40 minuets or so.
Dr Heyber is a live wire! Enjoyable, stimulating, and fun.
He does genius work at UCLA
I thought I was beginning to understand a few things about my diet and now I'm somewhat confused. Soy at one time was the best food to eat a while back, and then became not so good because it messed up a woman's hormones. Still not convinced about canola oil (furniture polish) or corn oil. I'm still going to use coconut, olive and avocado oil. This interview was definitely confusing to me.
Wow this guy is hands above any other diet Dr.. Discovered him from Rick Rubin the record producer extraordinaire.. Brush of genius having him on!! Thanks Mark!!
I know it's going to be a great conversation when I start looking for pen and paper for notes! Thank you so much for this excellent information, never stop!
What a great interview and what an enthusiastic guest!!! love it. thanks so much
Excellent! Dr. Hyman, your books have helped me to live s healthy lifestyle and identify my body’s dislike of wheat!!! Thank you both. I am going to listen to this podcast again!!!
Whey is as bad as dairy. Love how Dr. Hyman disagrees but stays respectful and on point. Great conversation.
Great interview Mark, some very useful insights about the importance and type of protein, a macro nutrient of the utmost importance. Great historical perspective from Dr Heber, what an encyclopedia of knowledge he is
Keep up the good work and look forward to the next episode of the Doctors Farmacy
He certainly is--he has taught me so much!
I ate a high carb, vegan diet and wound up with a host of health problems, including numerous food intolerances.
This left me with way more questions than it answered...
Agreed!
It’s rare that I need to slow down a video so I can take it all in.... so thank you for keeping it on topic.
Love the interview- informative and thought provoking! Thanks for questioning the carb intake on 9 cups of beans!😂
Haha glad I could help :)
This is an incredible episode! Thank you so much!
Another great interview and making sure you got your point across about fat and the Ketogenic experience. Good challenge on the protein remarks. By the way your FOOD book you wrote is excellent and everyone on America well no everyone in the world needs to read it.
Jim Battaglia Which book are you talking about Jim. I think all his books are about food.
Thank you!
Kathleen Smith his recent book titled “Food”.
At around the 41 minute mark, Heber claims that the corn oil industry was a by-product of the feed industry. He's has everything completely backwards. The soy /corn crushing industries preceding using meal and starch feed industries by about 20 years. The real question was what to do with the by-products of the oil industries. The solution was to feed the left over soy meal to chickens, and the starches from corn kernels to cattle. One thing too with feedlot cattle, these animals spend the first 1/2 to 2/3 of their lives on grasses. Then when they get to the feedlots they are "back grounded" primarily on roughages (meaning green plants like leftover corn stalks) to transition the cattle to "concentrates" which are the starches from corn kernels and often includes DDG ...distilled grains from ethanol production. So it's during the last 4 to 5 weeks before being harvested that cattle are fed primarily corn starches (concentrates). This does change the 6 o 3 ratios for the worse. Though cattle really don't have much of either.
Great information. Loved this one!
Love love love this video so much!!!!! One of my favorite and Dr Heber is so awesome to listen to. I’ve also had this questions of how to get enough protein without overloading carbs without animal protein so thought it was pretty cool Dr Hyman brought it up
Hey Doc, forget about sat fat and cholesterol in meat. Check out how carnitine converts to tmao leading to cardio vascular problems, and how the molecule neu5gc (found in meat, not vegetable matter) can lead to cancer. Colin Campbell showed that only very low levels of meat consumption may be safe. I teach my kids to treat meat as a condiment or an occasional treat.
Another great dialog. I've always promoted the low glycemic index diet for my patients - higher healthy fats and proteins, and very low sugars/refined carbs. I see the positive effects in my patients all the time. I read "The China Study" (and watched the documentary "Forks over Knives" that it inspired) and that kind of threw me off a bit. Any thoughts on that book?
Great interview! Thank u for adding context and clarifying terms
Dr. Heber highly encouraged the use of soy protein as a way to get adequate amounts in one's diet. As a perimenopausal woman, who is estrogen dominate, I was actually warned by my MD NOT to consume soy in any form, as it can increase cancer risk.
What about carnitine and choline? not touched on at all ....?
This doctor needs to get his information updated.
Great conversation. Looks like Dr. Heber could benefit from a low carb diet.
Shred Boise yeah that is kinda weird right? He led Rick Rubin’s 130 lb weight loss, plus runs a weight loss clinic with proven results, why isn’t he svelte?
The man tits are a direct result of the soy.
Would love Dr Heber to create an ideal meal plan for babies, toddlers and growing children. Information given on show is amazing for adults but am wondering if same rules apply for younger population. thank you for your wisdom and guidance!
Is that the same Ancel Keys who made us obese with his cholesterol myth? Discredited in the first few minutes.
Yes.
Hippocrates was the OG and many naturopaths have been the OG's when it comes to using food as medicine.
A lot of great information! Some differences of opinion but plenty of common ground to build upon. Thank you for the great dialogue.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
All those isolated plant proteins are hyper-processed more often than not from plants from industrial farms. Some of the processing methods to "defat", "dephytate" and remove fiber are pretty bad. Some aren't as bad. So you really have to know how the proteins are isolated. More often than not the people selling such protein isolates can't tell you how the proteins are isolated, where or how the sourced plants are grown, or what the exact amino acid compositions of the proteins are. So a lot of these plant proteins are very bad for your health and the environment . Here's something I wrote on this subject: A Tale of Two Expos lachefnet.wordpress.com/2018/03/31/a-tale-of-two-expos/ Also kind of strange Herber was going on and on about Omega 6's and doesn't seem to realize that all those soy isolated proteins are very large sources for Omega 6's.
Not sweating is a good thing? From low carb. Good luck with that.
Was excited when i read the topic and disappointed after listening to the content. A very old school approach!!! He needs to be updated on his knowledge....
Dr Hayam,
I want to take this his opportunity to say thank you for your guests, podcasts and all the knowledge youre sharing. Your books have brought so much knowledge include your website and since came across you I'm always on fire to learn more about diseases, illnesses, obesity, diabetes as fitness is not more important than understanding causes of people to be obese or have body inflammation. Agree or disagree with your guests, there's always something new to learn or see in different view from you, your guests.
As personal trainer I learned a lot about health, supplements, nutrition, exercises, what works, what to avoid, what doesn't work and more than anything how to interpret nutrition information. I'm so grateful for this podcast and honestly lot of people can change the health just from listening to your guests.
I love you Dr Mark Haymanband God bless.
...brain switches from glucose burning to ketogenic after a while... (paraphrase roughly). How long does that take?? I didn't notice anything but the lifting of the 'brain fog'!
Seems Dr. Heber hasn't totally let go of 'fat is automatically bad' mode yet.
I thought the concept of having to combine foods to complete proteins was debunked!?!?!?!?
Beth Rini Scott Yes, if your are able to eat enough whole foods and enough plant based calories. All plants contain all amino acids but not in the same amount. So it makes sense to „combine“ plants & their different protein content to create a good profile. And soy has a good and concentrated protein one but comes with fat & calories. So combine it e.g. with lentils or beans & a lot of greens and voila!
"well, let's suppose that the animals were all grass fed and well treated and allowed to roam free...would it be healthy to eat them then? " "Absolutely!" The foregoing dialogue is an example of why Shaw used to say that Earth was the prison ship of the universe.
A very interesting interview thus far. I am a little over 13 minutes in. Dr. Heber brings some interesting dialogue into the conversation so far, some things that I do not necessarily agree with but neither do I really oppose. That is except for Dr. Heber saying that protein is more satiating than fat. Now, perhaps I have not consumed the most amino acid complete, satiating protein heavy diet before but from personal experience I can say that a fat heavy (ketogenic) diet is extraordinarily satiating.
Edit: I want to add. I am a bit surprised that Dr. Heber is very confident here without considering the possibility that fat is potentially more satiating. Dr. Mark Hyman even questioned Dr. Heber directly saying that was something that was taught in medical school. I appreciate Dr. Hyman's openness and carefulness here.
I just wanted to thank Dr. Mark Hyman for your RUclips channel. I found you through Dave Asprey's network. It gives me joy that there are medical doctors like you and other "gamechangers". Without people like you, I would be in a much worse state of well being now. Although I am in my early 20s I was doing pretty darn bad gut inflammation and brain inflammation wise up until a few months ago. People like you have motivated me to one day be able to be a medical doctor and be instrumental in furthering medical research, technology and patient well being. I am currently studying for my MCAT and am overjoyed when I think that one day I can be like you and the countless other gamechangers in the medical field!
Watched 3 times, loved the debate
Glad you enjoyed it so much!
Is there a way of reducing high protein levels? Is someone with high protein levels meant to avoid protein. I was trying to adopt more protein albeit plant/animal based and reduce carbs but now i was given this news and im confused as to what i should be eating and taking to reduce the protein levels. Thanks
There is very little this speaker has learned that he has forgotten. He has the facts.
Loved it as usual!! I want to listen again!
I love that you enjoyed it so much!
I am wondering what exactly is this inflammation in the various parts of the body you are talking about all the time? Can smb explain this please? Thanks.
The physiques, in this case, tell the story
This was one teeth grinding episode, but Hyman handle it with grace as usual.
Cattle are on grass tell they are around 800 lbs then put in feedyards and fed 70 percent alfalfa 30 percent corn.
I disagree with him on the argument that collagens are poor source of protein!!! What was he talking about??? And more of plants proteins from grains, beans??? I was a vegetarian for 5 years, and I was a typical skinny fat, my hair and skin were dry and dull. Now 15 years on, my skin is much better than when I was 20s, and my energy and mental clarity are better than ever, been doing keto and IF, long fast for the last 11 months. Thanks!
:-)
Aren't you anymore vegetarian?
As a woman who has had fibroids (linked to estrogen dominance) I'm curious about the heavy emphasis on soy. I try my best to avoid phyto estrogens and pseudo estrogens. Out of curiosity I wonder if has any other recommendations for vegans/vegetarians to get their "complete" protein? I'm not vegan nor vegetarian I just know that soy isn't an option for many people for many reasons.
Love it 🔥
Please do a pod cast with Cole Robinson of the Snake diet with a focus on a fasting focused lifestyle using electrolyte water.
This doctor doesn’t look too thin himself
Never take dietary advice from somebody that doesn't have a better body composition than you.
I disagree.
I’m here because what he did with Rick Rubin. The man knows how to get results
This was a challenging interview since I think much of his beliefs are outdated and conflict with the results of his plan as evidence at any mall in America. I did listen and somehow felt some sort of overarching spiritual dogma (unspoken) in his beliefs
He is involved in Herbalife and looking at his diet books a huge part of the obesity epidemic with fat free snackwells and high carbs at the center. I do appreciate learning where I got off course 30yrs ago...a blast from the past! When I visited Asia, soy was a condiment and duck & fish the center of the diet.
I'm confused now, bc some doc says Soy is bad for you!?
I found this talk a bit hard to follow to be honest. I'm not a native speaker, so that might be the reason. But it also seemed that (despite Dr Hyman's facilitation skills) the talk was a bit chaotic and it was hard to really focus on the main points.
You heard correctly. Heber made his claims confusing on purpose. He is an clearly trying to prop up a failing plant-based worldview despite his awareness of science that contradicts much of that nonsense. Throughout the interview, he tries to "acknowledge" the science while suggesting that it shouldn't impact the way people think & behave.
Take a close look at the 2 of them in the video, ........who would you take dietary advice from?
“ ITS PEOPLE!”
for myself fat has a more satisfying long affect on me, I can go many hours without feeling hungry, protein fills me up faster than fat but it doesn’t keep me satisfied as long as fat does.
I just couldn't listen past about 12 minutes.....
Cathy Woofter Kathy it gets better as it goes deeper into the interview
I see a heavy guy telling a lean guy how to eat to be healthy
To conclude man tits come from soy intake.
Fat has 9 calories and protein has 4, so fat is more satiating than protein.
The fat that is bad in processed foods are the vegetable oils. Only olive oil, and coconut oil are acceptable.
Carbs are not the problem if they are not processed, like greens and vegetables, the problem is that people eat processed carbs like flour and sucrose. Even fruits are fine as long as they are not processed.
It is fat, not protein, that sates. (Period)
Onward.
maybe he takes feeling bloated for sated. Agree with him, when I'm bloated with too much protein, I can't eat anymore
Take a protein shake vs coconut oil and see which one drives away hungry. Protein works ok but Coconut oil does it way better.
@@panzerfaust375 coconut oil makes me sick and not want to eat but who wants to feel like that?
That Dr. Hyman did not know fat is the most satiating macronutrient is sad. I'm not blaming him, just an example of even an intelligent, involved person can miss the memo. Not only is protein more satiating, but due to the thermal effect of food, almost one calorie in four is used up in it's metabolism. Free calories!
soy is a great source of high quality protein...too bad it is so hard to digest. No matter how you prepare it, it is still hard to digest. Of course, IMHO.
How does soy affect testosterone?
Why do you ever have Dr. Klinghardt on your show???????
Why Don’t you ever have Dr. Klinghardt on your show???????
Unfortunately he talks soooo fast it’s hard to get half the information he’s conveying! Other than that, he’s definitely a wealth of information.
You can turn down the speed of the video.
The Tech thank you!! Thought audible was only ap I could do that in. Yay!!!
Of course :) Enjoy!
Dr. Heber knows so much, I think he’s excited to share it all!
Very confusing.
If Mr Heber's recommendations towards plant protein are sound why is he obese?
Do as I say, not do as I do.
Yessssssss !! Clone him!!!!! Please!
This person is so biased, he tried to say that high protein is bad for the kidneys, thankfully the interviewer pointed out that it's only true if you already have kidney damage, which the person had to admit,
WOW!! I LIKE THIS GUY..😜
The good Dr needs to bone up on Allan Savory work. most cattle are grazed on land that can't grow crops. As far as cow's methane output, it is small to the permafrost melting. Sorry for the pun a fart in the wind. Good to hear other opinions. I was a Vegan for 2 years it was so hard to feel good, and keep the weight off. To damn much work
This guy is nuts. So we evolved by blending the right proteins and the right ratio with plant based protein. Riiiiiiight. No, we just ate meat.
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Right? Leave it to a ideologically driven professor to over complicate things and confuse everyone. This guy was just a bag of self contradictions
Why would he be a proponent of plant proteins when by his own admission, "it requires a scientist to do it right?" And then there are all those "tag along" carbs.
The less plant matter I eat, the better I feel, the easier it is to lose weight. About all I eat from the plant kingdom are salsas, green chile stew, and a bit of bread.
Heber is against meat protein, but acknowledges that vegan diet can lead to loss of lean mass? Isn't easier to just eat meat than it is to figure out how to combine plant proteins adequately?
Peter W. Dunn It is easier to get protein from meat - if you are willing to take all the questionable effects that comes with it too. As Dr. Heber pointed out it takes a bit of effort to create a healthy portfolio and not exceed your calorie budget at the same time but it is not rocket science. And there are also minerals and vitamins and phytonutrients we need which comes from plants. Even with meat in your diet people are well adviced to have close look on their food profile.
@@Test-eb9bj Questionable effects? People are turning in large numbers to all meat diets and getting rid of their questionable effects. Let's not blame meat for problems caused by eating plants.
The Minnesota Project (Ancel Keys' experiment in human starvation) was actually a very carefully done experiment with some really interesting results, not nearly as cack-handed and dishonest as the Seven Countries survey.
Geez, I really can't believe this. Dr Heber is not exactly a slim an trim man. Is the diet he speaks of the diet he follows? When does the body have a rest in regards to not eating? His diet sounds like you can never stop eating enough.....................yikes!
Of course he does, he's over fat because he's ingesting a boat load of extra calories with all his beans and rice.
7 servings a day , forced diabetes ?
Otherwise, very interesting. Dr. Heber knows his shit. :-)
This was really interesting. Took some good notes but would like a follow up on proteins. I would enjoy putting more grains and beans in my diet but don’t want the carbs. Just listened to another doctor who was down on protein consumption.......I’m a bit confused.
Thanks for tuning in!
I think I'm going to let this doctor eat his fruits and veggies. I'm definitely going to continue to get my protein from meat. Who wants to deal with all those ratios between the different plant foods in order to come up with what you need ... and I'm not even going to get into the antinutrients in all those "healthy" plants.
Dr. Heber also needs to update his view on soy products. GMO yum.
he called him an OG xD
This man talked way to fast and seemed to have trouble focusing on answering the questions. Please cover kidney disease and low carb. diets