Can Big Hit Sue Fanfic Author? Fanfiction Is Actually Healthy
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In this video, we delve into the topic of fanfiction and whether companies like Big Hit can sue fanfic authors. Discover why fanfiction is actually a healthy outlet for creativity and expression!
I do not like shippers. Friendship shipping is fine but I do not like sexualizing shippers.💜
Blame the whole marketing strategy of Kpop, they encourage shipping & it is them that sexualise the relationship of idols, that lead to fan fiction, plus the other strategy of selling them as "boyfriends" and not allowing them to date, it is literally creating and a obsessive fan culture, where fans think they have a right to dictate what the artist and other fans can or can not do.
I totally agree.. Those are extreme shippers that I can't stand
I think the author is well aware of what she is doing. The fact that her work can potentially bring harm to a real person and she is okay with that already tells you what kind of a person she is. I believe one gets what one gives out. Let fate handle this. Meanwhile let us support and pray always for the well being of our bangtan men, specially for the one being unfairly targeted. That's just my opinion.
I will always be grateful that people like you are using your voice and influence to bring knowledge about these issues.
There are many people in this fandom who have allowed themselves to be influenced by false narratives, such as the relationships of the members with each other, with the company, about their careers and personal lives.
All based on theories and assumptions to fill part of the information that is not revealed to the public, attracting so many hateful comments to real people.
These people need to pay more attention to what they say online because this can cause terrible consequences for the safety and mental health of our boys.
(Sorry for any grammar mistake, English is not my first language. I'm Brazilian. 💚💛)
The assumption is that all readers can distinguish between what is real and what is imagined.
All readers aren't mentally sound or healthy, so they act on the fiction rather than accept the reality. This is where fan fiction can become a bit dangerous.
Fan fiction based on real life persons has to be more careful it doesn’t negatively impact the real person's life.
I believe that citing artistic freedom or business freedoms doesn’t protect us from our responsibility to each other as human beings.
How is that different from television, tv, or video games? There is always a chance someone crazy will be unable to distinguish between reality and fiction. That doesn’t mean no one is ever allowed to make a movie about a serial killer again.
I both agree with you and agree with @sherb. Creators should be mindful to ensure that their products centering real life fantasies are projected as being fantasies, but there is just so much creators can reasonably do. Beyond that, it shouldn't be on the creators, and it shouldn't lead to a ban on smt if some in the audience are not using reasonable discretion abt their product.
Además, intencionalmente creo la controversia sabiendo el odio que existe entre el shippeo, así empezemos por la mentalidad de ella...cuando son personas tan conocidas con fandoms tan controversiales, está atizando una hoguera sabiendo que al final es ella la q va a recoger el dinero de entre las cenizas...por eso no estoy de acuerdo con "su" libro, si al final dice q no está basado en los chicos pues entonces vemos que al final, realmente no tuvo la creatividad para inventar su propia historia, 💁
@@Petoto21 Exactamente, no sé por qué hacen tanta gimnasia mental para defender a una inútil inmadura y codiciosa que fue mucho más allá de escribir fics. No habría escándalo si hubiese limitado sus actividades a compartir su historia online discretamente y sin lucrar con ello. Lo de usar a JM como villano y la influencia de esto en las shippers loquitas ya es otro tema y otro nivel de cringe para debatir.
@sherb9841 The difference is television and video game are known to be fake by the those who consume the material. Fan fiction is the opposite because readers often really believe the relationships are real and that delusion is then exploited.
Healthy?? I don’t think it’s healthy… it is just tolerable imo.. not bc all fanfic are bad, not like tht.., but bc fanfic often can lead to unhealthy obsession/ delusional behaviour.
There's a very simple way to check whether fanfiction (especially the sexualizing ones) is a good or bad thing: replace the names with the names of your boyfriend, partner, parents and your own. And then you see if it's "uncomfortable". Taehyung', JK's or Jimin's mother probably also have an opinion on the topic!
Using BTS as base and excuse to write any fiction is simply parasitising on BTS and making money for your pocket . If you believe you are a writer and you are inspired by BTS ,use that inspiration and use other names but BTS guys names . Otherwise you have a mental issue to be resolved
Even tho I'm not into rps (or even rpf), I do actually see shipping as a healthy way to explore one's own sexuality and preferences. I would just also say there are lines you cannot cross with it.
Ppl should understand that the public figures they see are not ppl they actually know. Shipping is purely fantasy taken from one's own perspective and preferences. So, it is problematic when ppl treat ships as real or when shippers try to force shipping fantasies onto others.
And taking advantage to benefit directly off using real ppl is just not smt I can condone either. Artistic freedom shouldn't shield ppl from taking advantage of others for a one-sided gain.
I read a lot of fanfiction, in fact I found BTS through fanfiction.
After reading several hundreds stories, I caved and looked them up on youtube.
Down I fell...
I'm also a beginner writer, and have written fan fiction for a coulpe of fictive shows and movies, and I find it harder to write about BTS.
The need to be more respectfull since they are real combined with my way of writing makes it harder, but I won't budge on respecting them as real people.
But I have to admit this is the first time I have considered how my fictional stories can influence the readers of them.
With me being as old as I am, it didn't even crossed my mind that some people could take them as factual..
Releasing a popular fan fiction story after only changing the names, and then hashtag the members to attract the delulu shippers shows how little respect she has for BTS.
But how much responibility does we as writers have towards the readers?
Are we responsible for them not knowing the difference between fiction and real life?
Delulu shippers will always find something that "proves" their "thruth"
In Chile there is also an author who published her taekook fanfiction as a book. I would never read it, but I know what it's about and I think it's absolutely unethical for someone to make money using their names like that, and I believe that definitely Big Hit should sue them. Most shippers truly believe their fantasies and don't realise how this harms real people. It is disgusting. And I say it because I'm a reader and a writer who's curious about all genres, so I have tried to read BTS and other kinds of fanfictions and they are always disgusting, I don't have the stomach to read past a few lines. It is pure expression of personal issues and they should be ashamed to even publish on wattpad or even say those things outloud.
As ARMY and a Romance writer, I occasionally peruse BTS fanfic. Some is well-written; most is not. While I don't mind innocently self-serving ships, and happily envision a cup of Tae with SUGA and a Kookie, I find the heated scenarios disturbing and can rarely read past the first few lines.
Resultan grotescas las historias donde los sexualizan y erotizan y no por no tengan derecho a su "propia" vida sexual, es solo q nadie tiene el derecho de usarlos de esa manera
The issue is she purposely used bts characters. Changing their names doesn’t mean that people don’t know who she’s talking about. A sexual fan fiction about real characters especially putting sexual scenarios between group members. And i thought this fan fiction had drawings that look like Jimin, v and jk? She was purposely targeting those 3 characters fan base
Fan fiction using real people is not okay. In China, there were a Fan fiction about two actors and the actors got cancelled because of the Fan fiction.
It was the actors from a popular wuxia drama
So what do you want? For fans not to use their imagination or fantasy regarding their favorite celebrities? That would be policing the creative freedom of others and that's not okay.
Xiao Zhan was the only one to get negatively affected by the controversy, and yet he's still one of the most famous actors around. The main controversy wasn't even about the fanfiction, but the fact that China banned AO3.
I don’t like the idea of FF w them because they are real people not fictional characters
Morals and what is right and wrong is out the door. Yes, you have the right to write it, but the question is, should you. 🤟💜
Fanfics are fine if they are not so nasty .. I absolutely hate shippers its too disgusting .. It says a lot of what are going on in the minds of young people these days 👍
ARMY needs to report BTS fanfiction. Fanfiction about fictional characters, is fine. Stay away from real people! It ruins lives and hurts the idols. I really dislike shipping, especially Taekook, since it has become so hurtful to our three maknaes.😭
OMG are you insane?! FanFICTION Fan. Fiction. Nobody can say what a person can or can't create! If you're going to start with doing that, it's a slippery slope for more things to be banned. Censoring is WRONG period!
For me who is a avid fanfic reader myself.....I dont have an issue with shipping....as long its kept within fandom spaces and dont forcibly pushed onto those as facts in real life into their faces....ship all you want.....
For me...I see BTS members as bros and cringe to even think of them as anything else...but hey if any of them were to be....thats private and also their business.....and who does think like that and ship seriously or for fun..its within their rights as persons with their own opinions...
If other fans hates these fanfics and shipping....just stay away from them....that is why TW tags exist😅....Not because I dont like intimate fanfic about the group I stan doesnt mean others wont...I wont ruin their fun...lol
And some fans seems to foget these are fanfics....fake...not real.....fictional content....hell it can be even a BTS group or member from an alternate universe....but I draw the line of using their IPs in such fictional content for monetary gains.....now the writer could be crossing questionable and legal waters if they go that far....
In my opinion it is not wrong to write fanfiction as long as it stays within the fanfiction space.
Its a manner of expression, sharing your feelings and gaining joy and therapy, finding similar minded persons like you.
The moment you publish it, you are crossing a boundary.
Its not about joy or expressing anymore, it is about money.
If using someone picture, song, music, logo etc. to make money without their permission is called plagiarizing, then using their identity in this manner is also plagiarizing!!!
Fanfic of fictional characters is great, but I draw a hard line at RPF. Would we dare to show these fics to our biases? I don't think so.
It's sick, no matter what. Put your face on it and the character. Might as well go watch the free shows.
I think any fanfics is just weird - if you're exploring relationships, for example, don't involve real people in any way. Invent people in your mind and keep it in your own bedroom and brain.
This comment implies fanfic in general is about real people. It isn't. I could write my own story about Hello Kitty shooting up an Ikea and it'd be fanfiction. Because it's not CANON. It's something I came up with, not Sanrio.
The fact that an a human being who is just LIVING can be targeted by people who believe the fanfic they read is gross. It makes me sad for the rest of us.
I'm agree with all of ur points...fanfic or tv drama some people are bound to get an obsession..bcz they use it as an escapism..that's why maybe kdrama or turkish dramas are famous nowadays..personally i think authors should not include distasteful things in their story that's their responsibility..about Hybe i heard they promote it in a subtle way (maybe for business or more engagement from fans)..
As others have stated fan fiction is that Fiction, it is not there to teach morals, nor right from wrong, it afterall a product of the persons imagination (some people may have questionsable imaginations but in the end it is the authors choice) as a reader/consumer you can either choose to read, like or dislike that choice is yours but the legal disclaimer put at the front stating that the characters have no relationship to the idol, would make it impossible from a legal stand point to take futher action.
Where they can sue would be in those instances where people claim something to be fact or true, such as edited photos that claimed to be real, such as those of Jennie & Taehyung where it was stated they are real and proof of a relationship. In istances like that legal action can & has been taken.
I think we also have to remember that Yoongi admitted that he used to write fan fiction, it is not to be taken seriously, but as entertainment. Some fans are really too "precious" & honestly need to relax.
Hi5 fam agree
With respect to fan fiction and BTS with the creation of the Bangtan Universe there are fictional characters with the same names and appearance of the members. So the line has already been blurred.
It stopped hasn’t it?
There is no sexual relationship in the Bangtan Universe so what line are you talking about .. Taehyung has said he doesn't like those type of things and Jimin faces a lot of hate from people who can't tell the difference between what is real and what is fiction .. its just downright disrespectful to the people they claim to be fans of 👍
The implication that because the group authorized these specific characters based on them to exist makes people profiting off fanfic a-okay is hilarious. You'll never be as bright as you think you are.
I am not sure I totally agree with your statement here. I think fanfic about celebrities can be dangerous because people will buy it and take it seriously. Even if people know it is actually fiction, those false scenarios can still skew how we see the real life person. That seed has been planted. Too many people take fiction as reality already, and adding fanfic to the mix just makes the situation worse.
While I enjoyed hearing about your setup of your fanfic, I wouldn’t read it because I don’t want to be influenced in seeing our boys in a negative light.
Bardzo to przykre, że BTS jest towarem ale to wina nas wszystkich bo wszyscy mamy większą lub mniejszą obsesję na ich punkcie i nie ma tu znaczenia wiek, pochodzenie czy wykształcenie. Nie tylko młode dziewczyny ekscytują się takimi treściami ale co dziwniejsze, gorsze są matki dzieciom, czyli osoby od których wymagało by się jakiejś dojrzałości emocjonalnej. Może to nuda i szukanie podniet? Podobnie jest z deepfakami seksualizującymi chłopaków. Potrzebne są zmiany w prawie bo tego rodzaju twórczości się nie zatrzyma ale każda taka treść winna być opatrzona widocznym napisem lub symbolem FIKCJA a brak takich oznaczeń to kara pieniężna. No i edukacja ludzi tak ja to robisz oraz wyjaśnianie armiom zagranicznym o co chodzi w tych wysyłkach bo odbierane jest to dosłownie, robi się z tego dramaty i złości a to też rodzaj fikcji lub zabawy dla celów marketingowych.
I never understood people who enjoy writing fanfic. And I do not understand people who enjoy reading these fanfictions. For the most part, these fanfictions are either obscenely sexualized or aggressive.
I am unpleasant for the thought that my idols are doused with mud.
I understand why this type of creativity exists, but I do not support.
Well that's your opinion. You don't have to understand fanfiction readers. And fyi, a lot of fanfiction is without any smut at all.
@@shanamoens822 Yes. I understand why this type of creativity exists, but I do not support.
FacFic is FICTION. I read a lot of fanfic that uses the names of real people but know these characters have no connection to those people. Do people who read AU actually think, for example, that JK is really a shapeshifting wolf or Jimin is a fairy? Even if the story is Canon rather than AU...how could one believe that Yoongi a mob leader? The people who cannot differentiate between fiction and reality they have a mental health problem. They need assistance getting back to reality.
Maybe they don't believe fairytale stuff, but they definitely do believe that taekook is real and that jimin is a villain or something. and yes, they need assistance.
Absolutely. FanFic is only fiction and like you, I don't have any problem to differentiate it. I'm surprised this thing's even being brought up as a big issue.
Yes they do need help. But they aren’t getting it and reading fan fiction about real people instead.
This is not specific to fan fiction but I think it should be said:
I have seen some great things since becoming a KPOP fan, some very inspiring acts/actions that make me believe in human good, but I've also been shocked (as an elderly person) at the degree of hate and pathology and condemnation that I've witnessed in fan culture at the same time.
It falls to the person, or family and friends of people who have strong pathologies to intervene before tragedies happen. From across the world I can't do anything. But someone standing right next to a person can make a difference.
Focusing on making global changes in an effort to cover the world with a safe space blanket for all, will not work, it is pie in the sky. Pathologies exist in localities, for example bullying in schools or domestic violence, for the most part that is where interventions must start.
Having mental or moral problems doesn't mean nothing can be done. Reach out for help for yourself. Reach out for help for a friend, or a sibling, as a parent or whoever you are. Having mental health issues is not an excuse for self destructive or heinous acts. You can get better.
Oh mira, que interesante. Ojalá pudieses hacer un análisis de HYBE y el trato hacia V. Acabo de ver que esto se volvió tendencia en X, y lamentablemente no tengo contexto alguno, pero sí quiero saber más al respecto y no se donde encontrar información confiable!!!!
Saludos y gracias por tu arduo apoyo a BTS como siempre!!!
It is hard to hear of any group member being represented negatively.
Real Person fan fiction has been going on forever. It is no big deal, it is imagination. Many people when they were younger imagined marrying their favorite singer or actor. Not much harm in it as long as people do realize it is NOT REAL.
I do think we need to remember that some people can't separate fact from fiction. Is that the problem of a writer exercising imagination, or a reader conflating truth with imagination?
I tend to think of the difference between fan and sasaeng as a good metric.The Extreme is not a good place to go.
I also don't like graphic fan fiction. And as I said above, I don't like members being negatively depicted. I am glad this particular fiction was changed from fan fiction to pure fiction.
I do prefer to read character based fan fiction not real person fan fiction.
You can write as much as you want using real people as a character guide. And you can use their names. You just can't sell for money, which you have stated here on this channel. This writer is moving the goalpost.
“When people hate the idol more than a real criminal, that’s a problem” this reminds me of “UGH“ one of my favorite songs because of the lyrics “I’m raging at the malice-filled rage, I’m raging at the rage that had to die out”
Indeed, BIGHIT does have the legal right to sue. However, the decision to pursue legal action will ultimately hinge on whether it’s worthwhile for the company, as well as its strategic business and financial considerations. This question is highly complex, with numerous variables that require in-depth analysis and answers. Your ability to highlight and summarize the issue is commendable. Well done!
To me it's a case to case kind of thing. Sometimes, fanfiction can be a way for authors to write when they wanna "start" writing. However, what draws the line to me isn't the quality of the writing but the sexe side of the thing. To me, a fanfiction who clearly put an emphasis on sexes scenes isn't good. No matter the scenario, the writing if you're sexualizing reals person it's it... A fantasy... I know it can be hard to admit, but it is.
But if the author can change the names without any problem.... I guess it's another scenario ? It's a really complicated topic lmao... There's many nuances but to me it's really a matter of sexualisation first. Its how I decide wheather an author has good intention or not. If you write about real person while sexualizing them AND you COULD change the names... It's... Weird. And... Maybe bad in a way. I dont know oh my god im so lost
Im guessing a publisher isnt even going to know its about real people. Like 50 shades was originaly a Twilight Fanfiction. Once the names are changed and the plot is not reality how are they supposed to know unless the author tells them?
I have enough to read, so don't partake in this type of stuff. But from the few things I run across (like here), it seems Jimin is always portrayed as the villain. Why is that? Maybe the others are as well & I just haven't run across it. It's just an observation from second hand, or maybe even third hand, contact... just curious 🤔😁
I've been in fandom for over 23years. Back when FF was just starting to get a foothold online. Up until then it only existed in fanzines and letters that were passed around.
Shipping itself is harmless. It is the action of some people forcing their preferences at others that is an issue. Or their anger directed at someone else when they cannot control those around them to do or think the same as they do.
This isn't about FF or peoples preferences in FF.
It is about one person who had the power to ask that the one part of that fandom not attack any members, but chose not to do that. It is about that same one person who lied to fill their own pockets. And in doing so caused a deluge of hate comments aimed towards JM
The person who wrote that book stated that the book had no link to BTS once published and yet they used BTS and BTS sub units names tags plus BTS members images to promote it- proving that to be a lie.
They said they would delete all hate but only deleted hate directed at themselves and zero hate directed at JM and even incited the hate themselves towards JM through the books contents.
People did not call for them to be reported to hybe lightly. Nor out of some fandom war but because of the deluge of hate and the fact this person lied and was filling their pockets using BTS to do so.
So this would include fanfiction where the members are portrayed as heroes to the masses correct? Where they are also portrayed in wholesome feel good stories with platonic familial relationships... these would be included in the restrictions, also correct? I am a curious person, and these were just the questions that arose after watching the post.
To me, all posted fanfic, whether positive or negative, is the self-indulgent cop-out of needy people. By all means, write your fantasies, but keep them to yourself. I have my own dreams; don't need yours.
MH bien pudo sentarse a observar las guerras de los fandoms de BTS😓 y dejar q se despedazaran y acabarán con BTS sin ensuciar su imagen...no se porq es tan difícil apoyar a cada miembro sin ofender o desmerecer a los otros...a BTS lo van aniquilar Pero los propios fandoms de los chicos si siguen estás peleas sin sentido...nos ofuscamos y caemos en sus juegos...la "escritora" esa lo único q hace es aprovechar la imagen de V y explotarla para vender sus libros, y si no somos capaces de dar respeto, tampoco lo podemos exigir....😔
It's important to realize that there is nothing wrong in fantasies, but there's no need to share your fantasies to the world and that sharing to the world can not be for someone's mental health.
In Brasil there is an author that sells bts fanfiction with other names but its bts
Il peut aussi y avoir un intérêt commercial dans la diffusion de ce livre, l'auteur a trouvé la bonne idée de faire la publicité en sachant très bien qu'il, y aura discutions et bien sûr ventes lucrative ,
It used to be that a romance novel was required to have 3 'sex scenes'. They didn't have to be explicit, per se. I wrote a trilogy years ago, but found those scenes tedious, so moved on to fantasy and light horror, but only had 1 from the 1st trilogy published, and 3 teen horror stories published online, before I had a near fatal stroke. Now, I have about 11 or 12 manuscripts that still need editing & 4 that still need to actually be finished, but I really don't know if I'll ever get back into writing again. The stroke kicked so many genetic disorders into gear, as well as leaving me with slightly damaged brain functions, all of which I've struggled to overcome as much as possible for the past 14 years, well... I keep thinking that I need to at least get all those manuscripts finished and edited, in case one of my kids wants to get them published some day. I used to love writing, but now, it seems to be all I can do to crochet for 20min or so. I suppose that, if the manuscripts are meant to be published, I'll be given the energy to at least get them to the proper point of readiness, but who knows. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I won't be watching if that's the title this video is gonna have. The title is low-quality bait that makes you sound like you're prioritizing your hobby over calling out the person in question for her shameless behavior.
Real-person fanfiction is cringe and should not be normalized. You can write it and read it but it should stay where it deserves to stay regardless of quality-underground. It's cringe that this got so big that even BTS might've heard about it. Profiting from real-person fic is shameless; even if you change the names it doesn't change the fact people originally read it thanks to BTS' fame.
I think this is a very selfish and bad take... I normally enjoy your balanced take but it's extremely clear you are biased by you personal pleasure for fan fiction.
Fanfiction mimics colonization in a lot of ways. The real people are puppets being controlled by someone with the power to create a narrative and publishing/editing rooms are not diverse spaces. These stories are akin to how history is written by the conquerors.
It would be really disturbing if certain fanfictions got forbidden. You're limiting someone's creative freedom that way. It's up to the readers to be able to separate reality and fiction.
Jimin is my bias and I don't read any fanfiction that portrays him as a bad person. I don't like it, but I'm not going to forbid that author from writing him in any way she wants. Nor any other person. It's NOT REAL.
There are so many fanfic 😳 tho. Would they try and sue all of them?
I would rather worry about the fans that thinks they own bts and that thinks dating is a scandal and having a life.
most are just online post so maybe it's harder, but the one she mentioned is published into books, sell, and use the member's name to promote it. now that's a problem
What is an Idol? A persona with an online or public persona? Isn't that what idol culture is; creating a persona? And isn't sexuality and shipping a part of that culture, supported both by the companies and the idols themselves? Isn't that what most entertainment boils down too? Couldn't Hybe kill all these ships if they wanted to? And if you look deeper into the phenomenon and history of boys love, you find a reaction to patriarchy. The author wrote a story, is that any different than other media profiting from BTS from clickbait, except she put actual work and creativity into it? Can you structure everything around not triggering the most unstable? Just look at American Politics. I keep seeing parallels between shipping wars and politics. Maybe it's just me.
It's a bit moronic to sue somebody for writing fanfiction. Even if the fanfiction is considered Superior to its Canon source material.
There is wayyyy too much mental health issues in our world and the slightest push can tip a hater over the edge where they act on that hate on their target...this target already receives so much hate already...it's very disgusting and vile to get paid and gain popularity from someones misery! Let's see if Karma will work her magic....🪄💜🇺🇸