Yep, it's because of the different wings, the LF Mk IXC has the C type wing. Basically the spitfires had different wing types, they had the A type wing which could hold only 8x .303 browning, the B type wing which could hold 2x Hispano Mk.II with 60 rpg + 4x .303 browning, the C type wing which was essentially universal, allowing for either 8x .303 although that was to my knowledge never used, 2x Hispano Mk.II with 120 rpg + 4x .303 browning or 4x Hispano Mk.II with 120 rpg. The E type wing came around later in the war, allowing for the mounting of the M2 browning .50 and the possible weapon configs for the wings were either 4x Hispano Mk.II with 120 rpg or 2x Hispano Mk II with 135 rpg + 2x M2 browning .50 with 260 rpg. This is also the wing the F Mk XIVe and F Mk XVIIe usez and also the wing the tech tree LF IX uses, as it is a later model than the LF IXc that the plagis is.
@@v3es473 Another FYI: the "e" type wing was originally created to accommodate underwing bombs, because in a "c" type they'd be hanged on the same section of the wing where cannons were situated (and thus the stress on a particular section would be tremendous). That's why in "e" wings the cannons are situated in outer ports instead of inner ones.
Its also has the Tailfin of the MkV, while the tree LF MkIX has the extended Tailfin of HF Spits MK VII/VIII. The Plagis is a fine Plane like it more then the one from the Tree
Thanks for the objective videos Defyn, i love it when you do demonstrations of a plane's capabilites in a consise and honest way. Would be amazing to hear your opinions on some other planes in that way
YP-38 is a warcrime SL printer in AAB if you don't dislike the 37mm (something like 20mms would be way better but it would increase its br). It's a 2.3 plane so it can be used in a 2.0 lineup, which means that it will face reserves pretty much every single battle, and this is a Lignthing.
I think you kinda missed the beauty of what the FR Mk XIV does compared to the normal griffon. The extra roll rate gives you a much easier time getting shots in. The extra speed allows you to keep pace with faster enemies as they try to gain separation or move between furballs. Basically it fixes the two most annoying things about the F Mk XIV at 5.7. At that BR there are very few hold S key fights, few pilots at that BR are that dumb against the spits. Its almost exclusively energy traps from GER + minor nations and boom and zoom from the US. Having more speed going into a fight really helps in both situations. You can use the energy bleed to reverse people like nobodies business. And the loss of the turn and climb isn't enough to give many enemies an advantage they didn't already have before the clipping. The only one that really comes to mind is the Yak 3U. It's one of my best planes. You can ride the griffon engine hard. Run it into orange. A couple minutes back in the white basically resets the overheat. Shutting the rads to zero in a dive turns it into a speeding banshee. The fast fuel burn really helps performance mid game on 20 min fuel. Best of luck! And great content as always!
@@Siddich Actually the clipped wings are very, very slightly faster. Very, very slightly being about 2mph. They should be anywhere from 5-15mph faster depending on the specific Spit variants. Clipped wings have very usable strengths. The issue is that the trade off for those strengths magnifies the weaknesses of the Spitfire design that much more essentially meaning that you can't fly a clipped wing like a traditional Spit at all. That said the clipped wing LF.IX is the best clipped wing by far. You take the only Spit that is at least above average in MER, clip the wings for snappier handling for a slight reduction in turn and MER? Personally I like it.
One thing to consider with the 5.7 spits is that if you play RB you will all most always get the small games with 4 JU-288s and 2 fighters so you will will never actually get to dogfight with them. I love the Plagis spit, but you just don't get good games with it.
As someone who just got the TT LF Mk IX today. This is absolutely true, all the Games ive been having were US and Brit VS Germany (sometimes with Italy). And most of the games were small and consisted of 3-4 288s while only having 2-3 Fighters and 0-1 Strike aircraft (Do 335), while we got 5-6 Fighters xD
I bought the LF long ago. Back then I had no idea how things work and that it sucks. At least I just paid 15€ on sale. 6000GE my ass... that's completely overprized.
In Griffon Spits vs the LF Merlin Spits, no doubt you'll lose in the turnfight. I still enjoy them though, their playstyle imo still fits the meta because of their performance characteristics. The gap between you and the energy fighters is narrowed, so it's harder for people to just run away from you, which can happen a lot for the Merlin Spits. If you think of it more as a hybrid than a turnfighter, I still think you can have great results.
5.7 Griffons are around 10mph faster in level flight than the LF.IX at relevant alts. They trade a crap ton of maneuverability, climb and MER for a small boost in level flight speed 5km and below. It really isn't a good trade off. The only real meaningful performance gain that Griffons provide is 6km+. Ironic that the clipped wing Griffon was a special meant to maximize low alt performance to deal with V-1 flying bombs, specifically in regards to speed, and yet it is barely any faster than the other Griffons.
@@reinbeers5322 Because they could catch them in a dive, they had more Spits than anything else at home squadrons, at least til late 44, and they were the fastest planes that could respond in a pinch. Granted in level flight most Spits couldn't keep up with the V-1s but you don't need to keep up when you just need to catch for long enough to shoot them down. Most early V-1 kills were by Spits.
that spitfire is old on Doof's account, defyn's decal scheme with the double faced shield on the left wingtip, the sword with wings on top of it and the other red shield on the left elevator. What i miss is the half red thingy on the cannon of one of the wings, like on the f4u-4b. Just a tiny detail I saw.
I realy enjoy the YP-38. Flight performance wise it is exactly the same as the P-38E, the only difference are the guns. The guns on the YP-38 are worse, however it is very fun to explode people with the 37mm. As someone who realy enjoys playing P-38s it was a good purchase, however if you are just looking for a good premium plane get the XP-50 instead.
Don't buy any of these unless you already fly the base version excessively, otherwise you'll never fly them. You'll always have something at a better BR or with a better multiplier, seriously people control your spending! Don't let FOMO get you!
the yp38 was kinda just a bonus to the american side of the pacific campaign story wich is no longer on sale. for that campaing + the plane it was worth the money
@@martijn9568 im not talking about that, i'm saying that these premium spitfires look more primitive akin to the mk9 from 4.3 yet they are better than the tree variant lf mk9.
@@kingghidorah8106 That's an old mistake on Gaijin's part. While updating the Spitfires' models, they took all premium LF Mk.IXs and mistakenly gave them an F Mk.IX model (early air intake without a filter, smaller rudder). That's likely just because all premium Mk.IXs have earlier weapons setup (c), unlike the tech-tree LF Mk.IXe
@@MDzmitryI don't even think that's much of a mistake. The F Mk IX in the British tech tree is using the Merlin 61 engine, which is a Spitfire Mk V engine, slapped with a bigger supercharger on top. The other Spitfires you guys are talking about run the Merlin 63, or 66 series engine. These engine were capable of running the new 130 octane fuel (and later 150 octane). The difference seems tiny, but the result is huge. With an increase in horsepower from around 1500 hp to 1700 hp.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
The FR Spit is definitely a downgrade overall, but it is utterly fun to just shit all over people who start cancer rolling the moment a Spit is on their tail.
I want to point this out and I hope to get pinned. People who are still holding onto yer Patrias and 25BMs (or the boat if you weird), you can expect demand to fluctuate due to people buying GE for the vehicles. Mostly price of the vehicle to slightly increase as everyone is selling it at a higher price.
i bought the YP-38 a long time ago and yeah it sucks on realistic but on arcade, even with the innacurate 37mil the other guns do wonders so i mostly use it to intercept enemy bombers specially those that like to climb to the stratosphere i really treat it like if it was an innacurate version of the Me-410 only that instead of safetly sniping bombers from a good range i have to get close and personal with the YP
PLZ do a video on the f4ub i lost a dogfight to a,190 with 3km of altitude more and at 400kph where i fries. to Energy Tramp him also everything outclimbs me even zeros - im climbing with 280kph +wep.
Defyn i really need your help man,So i’ve been grinding USA air and i guess i am pretty new (joined 23 june 2022) but i am struggling a lot on flying and actually getting kills in any of the planes of the P51 series. My average air rb game goes with me climbing and then dying to some random bf109 2000m above me that has indestructible wings when diving down to me causing me to lose over 100k sl to simple repair costs and if i do ever get 1 kill it always get wasted on the game after that on repair costs. (not easy when i cant spend any irl money on this game)I’ve started watching you for a month now and im always trying to improve but its always so difficult and the purpose of this message is if you could make a thourough video about all P51 variants and best ways to fly them (P.S i know this might not be easy for you to make so i would understand but maybe i could play 1 or 2 games with you which might not have a chance of happening and you can help me out)and i would also like to learn how to use the P38s because they seem really good. PLEASE NOTICE MY COMMNET DEFYN
You should have paused the recording and went and got ice cream... Never deny yourself ice cream especially for a dumb YT video you can make any time. Ice cream is always worth it
They aren't boats as they don't lose that much turn rate. They just make a unique trade off that requires a completely different style of play to normal Spits. You try to play them like you would a normal Spit and you will suffer more for it.
Short answer is NO! War thunder is not going to be fun if you start spending money. PLaying and losing is one thing, spending money and losing is way more infuriating.
Games a dumpster fire grind fest. I still watch Defyn's videos because they're entertaining, but WT is and has been trash. I moved on to DCS and you'll never believe this, but when you buy an aircraft you get the aircraft, and all the upgrades and weapons systems...*without grinding*.
Not sure if anyone noticed but tt LF mk9 has 270 cannon rounds compared to 240 on plagis
Yep, it's because of the different wings, the LF Mk IXC has the C type wing. Basically the spitfires had different wing types, they had the A type wing which could hold only 8x .303 browning, the B type wing which could hold 2x Hispano Mk.II with 60 rpg + 4x .303 browning, the C type wing which was essentially universal, allowing for either 8x .303 although that was to my knowledge never used, 2x Hispano Mk.II with 120 rpg + 4x .303 browning or 4x Hispano Mk.II with 120 rpg.
The E type wing came around later in the war, allowing for the mounting of the M2 browning .50 and the possible weapon configs for the wings were either 4x Hispano Mk.II with 120 rpg or 2x Hispano Mk II with 135 rpg + 2x M2 browning .50 with 260 rpg. This is also the wing the F Mk XIVe and F Mk XVIIe usez and also the wing the tech tree LF IX uses, as it is a later model than the LF IXc that the plagis is.
@@v3es473 Another FYI: the "e" type wing was originally created to accommodate underwing bombs, because in a "c" type they'd be hanged on the same section of the wing where cannons were situated (and thus the stress on a particular section would be tremendous).
That's why in "e" wings the cannons are situated in outer ports instead of inner ones.
Its also has the Tailfin of the MkV, while the tree LF MkIX has the extended Tailfin of HF Spits MK VII/VIII.
The Plagis is a fine Plane like it more then the one from the Tree
Thanks for the objective videos Defyn, i love it when you do demonstrations of a plane's capabilites in a consise and honest way. Would be amazing to hear your opinions on some other planes in that way
YP-38 is a warcrime SL printer in AAB if you don't dislike the 37mm (something like 20mms would be way better but it would increase its br). It's a 2.3 plane so it can be used in a 2.0 lineup, which means that it will face reserves pretty much every single battle, and this is a Lignthing.
But that also means you have to play AAB.... no thanks, fuck that.
what's the sl per game look like?
@@TheCadman069 It's way more fun than ARB (especially in terms of props), so I'll take it over ARB anyday.
@@Damian-03x3"Arcade is more fun than RB" - the arcade player
As long as you like it, that's all that matters. @@Damian-03x3
I think you kinda missed the beauty of what the FR Mk XIV does compared to the normal griffon. The extra roll rate gives you a much easier time getting shots in. The extra speed allows you to keep pace with faster enemies as they try to gain separation or move between furballs.
Basically it fixes the two most annoying things about the F Mk XIV at 5.7. At that BR there are very few hold S key fights, few pilots at that BR are that dumb against the spits. Its almost exclusively energy traps from GER + minor nations and boom and zoom from the US. Having more speed going into a fight really helps in both situations. You can use the energy bleed to reverse people like nobodies business.
And the loss of the turn and climb isn't enough to give many enemies an advantage they didn't already have before the clipping. The only one that really comes to mind is the Yak 3U.
It's one of my best planes. You can ride the griffon engine hard. Run it into orange. A couple minutes back in the white basically resets the overheat. Shutting the rads to zero in a dive turns it into a speeding banshee. The fast fuel burn really helps performance mid game on 20 min fuel.
Best of luck! And great content as always!
I agree, i bought it and its great, ability to control fire thanks to better roll rate makes its lethal in most scenarios
Clipped wing Spits are pain
In order to do well, you have to not play a spitfire like a spitfire.
In clipping its wings, they clipped its soul
Which sucks because they're amazing aesthetically. Especially the bare aluminum Mk XVI
@@TeenWithACarrotIDK a spitfire with clipped wings still is not fast and still bleeds energy in a turn…
@@Siddich Actually the clipped wings are very, very slightly faster. Very, very slightly being about 2mph. They should be anywhere from 5-15mph faster depending on the specific Spit variants.
Clipped wings have very usable strengths. The issue is that the trade off for those strengths magnifies the weaknesses of the Spitfire design that much more essentially meaning that you can't fly a clipped wing like a traditional Spit at all. That said the clipped wing LF.IX is the best clipped wing by far. You take the only Spit that is at least above average in MER, clip the wings for snappier handling for a slight reduction in turn and MER? Personally I like it.
One thing to consider with the 5.7 spits is that if you play RB you will all most always get the small games with 4 JU-288s and 2 fighters so you will will never actually get to dogfight with them. I love the Plagis spit, but you just don't get good games with it.
As someone who just got the TT LF Mk IX today. This is absolutely true, all the Games ive been having were US and Brit VS Germany (sometimes with Italy). And most of the games were small and consisted of 3-4 288s while only having 2-3 Fighters and 0-1 Strike aircraft (Do 335), while we got 5-6 Fighters xD
Just FYI clipped wing Spits are marginally faster. They should be 5-15 depending on the variant but are only about 2mph faster.
I bought the LF long ago. Back then I had no idea how things work and that it sucks. At least I just paid 15€ on sale. 6000GE my ass... that's completely overprized.
I appreciate the sacrifice of making a video over getting some ice cream!
In Griffon Spits vs the LF Merlin Spits, no doubt you'll lose in the turnfight. I still enjoy them though, their playstyle imo still fits the meta because of their performance characteristics. The gap between you and the energy fighters is narrowed, so it's harder for people to just run away from you, which can happen a lot for the Merlin Spits. If you think of it more as a hybrid than a turnfighter, I still think you can have great results.
5.7 Griffons are around 10mph faster in level flight than the LF.IX at relevant alts. They trade a crap ton of maneuverability, climb and MER for a small boost in level flight speed 5km and below. It really isn't a good trade off. The only real meaningful performance gain that Griffons provide is 6km+.
Ironic that the clipped wing Griffon was a special meant to maximize low alt performance to deal with V-1 flying bombs, specifically in regards to speed, and yet it is barely any faster than the other Griffons.
@@rainsilent Why would they use relatively slow spitfires for chasing V-1s when the Typhoons, Tempests, and even P-51Bs were all much faster?
@@reinbeers5322 Because they could catch them in a dive, they had more Spits than anything else at home squadrons, at least til late 44, and they were the fastest planes that could respond in a pinch. Granted in level flight most Spits couldn't keep up with the V-1s but you don't need to keep up when you just need to catch for long enough to shoot them down. Most early V-1 kills were by Spits.
Also I should say that the clipped wing for Griffons was mostly done for that. Clipped wings for Merlins was just for LF version Merlins.
that spitfire is old on Doof's account, defyn's decal scheme with the double faced shield on the left wingtip, the sword with wings on top of it and the other red shield on the left elevator. What i miss is the half red thingy on the cannon of one of the wings, like on the f4u-4b.
Just a tiny detail I saw.
I realy enjoy the YP-38.
Flight performance wise it is exactly the same as the P-38E, the only difference are the guns. The guns on the YP-38 are worse, however it is very fun to explode people with the 37mm. As someone who realy enjoys playing P-38s it was a good purchase, however if you are just looking for a good premium plane get the XP-50 instead.
Don't buy any of these unless you already fly the base version excessively, otherwise you'll never fly them. You'll always have something at a better BR or with a better multiplier, seriously people control your spending! Don't let FOMO get you!
the yp38 was kinda just a bonus to the american side of the pacific campaign story wich is no longer on sale. for that campaing + the plane it was worth the money
Aren't those campaigns absolutely dogshit and boring? Not to mention being bugged as well.
Get this man to 100k.
I love my plagis spit, makes me money like crazy
i still don't get why the premium spitfire lf Mk9 on usa and Britain have more climb rate but smaller round vert stab compared to the tree ones
@@kingghidorah8106Because that's not how aerodynamics work😅
@@martijn9568 im not talking about that, i'm saying that these premium spitfires look more primitive akin to the mk9 from 4.3 yet they are better than the tree variant lf mk9.
@@kingghidorah8106 That's an old mistake on Gaijin's part.
While updating the Spitfires' models, they took all premium LF Mk.IXs and mistakenly gave them an F Mk.IX model (early air intake without a filter, smaller rudder). That's likely just because all premium Mk.IXs have earlier weapons setup (c), unlike the tech-tree LF Mk.IXe
@@MDzmitryI don't even think that's much of a mistake. The F Mk IX in the British tech tree is using the Merlin 61 engine, which is a Spitfire Mk V engine, slapped with a bigger supercharger on top.
The other Spitfires you guys are talking about run the Merlin 63, or 66 series engine. These engine were capable of running the new 130 octane fuel (and later 150 octane).
The difference seems tiny, but the result is huge. With an increase in horsepower from around 1500 hp to 1700 hp.
Limited time offer!!! See store for details!!!
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@@aestronom1920 they are limited on and off look at the wiki for more info
Wut?
Should have went for the ice cream man, war thunder can wait
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
Hiya DEFYN, big fan of you and your videos. I can't say the same for your team killing Squad member TOM! I didn't expect that from your squadron. Good luck and keep the videos coming please.
The FR Spit is definitely a downgrade overall, but it is utterly fun to just shit all over people who start cancer rolling the moment a Spit is on their tail.
Should've gone to get the ice cream man
love this video!
I want to point this out and I hope to get pinned.
People who are still holding onto yer Patrias and 25BMs (or the boat if you weird), you can expect demand to fluctuate due to people buying GE for the vehicles. Mostly price of the vehicle to slightly increase as everyone is selling it at a higher price.
Good to know that im not missing a lot from flying the clipped wing spits, are you gonna make a video on the griffon spitfire F Mk-XIV?
I really like the Spit XVI ... but you definitely have to fly it more like a 190 than a Spitty.
the FR MKIVe is still pretty decent in one-circle fights, it just sucks to lose the two-circle performance of the other griphons
Yippeee 38
Lesson of the day: Bully clipped wing Spitfires
DEFYN could you make a video about the MB5 please? i know it isn't the best plane in its BR but maybe you can show us some tips and tricks.
Not the P38 premium I was hoping for . . .
I want P-38K so badly, but everytime it goes for sale I'm broke af and can't afford it lmao
I could have undiagnosed hereditary manic depressive skitzophrenia
skill issue
Man I wish the P38K got put on sale instead of the YP38
1:41 bro you should’ve gotten some money ice cream lol I think any normal person would understand
How much was the YP-38 in this sale? The Pacific pack was sold for $7.50 with 2 weeks of premium and 850 GE
i bought the YP-38 a long time ago and yeah it sucks on realistic but on arcade, even with the innacurate 37mil the other guns do wonders so i mostly use it to intercept enemy bombers specially those that like to climb to the stratosphere i really treat it like if it was an innacurate version of the Me-410 only that instead of safetly sniping bombers from a good range i have to get close and personal with the YP
could you please fly the c205 serie III? Day 62
PLZ do a video on the f4ub i lost a dogfight to a,190 with 3km of altitude more and at 400kph where i fries. to Energy Tramp him also everything outclimbs me even zeros - im climbing with 280kph +wep.
Skill issue, most probably.
Also, watch for older Doof's videos on that plane, they're still relevant, except the cannons damage improved.
Against 190s you just turnfight them lol, stupid easy
Defyn i really need your help man,So i’ve been grinding USA air and i guess i am pretty new (joined 23 june 2022) but i am struggling a lot on flying and actually getting kills in any of the planes of the P51 series. My average air rb game goes with me climbing and then dying to some random bf109 2000m above me that has indestructible wings when diving down to me causing me to lose over 100k sl to simple repair costs and if i do ever get 1 kill it always get wasted on the game after that on repair costs. (not easy when i cant spend any irl money on this game)I’ve started watching you for a month now and im always trying to improve but its always so difficult and the purpose of this message is if you could make a thourough video about all P51 variants and best ways to fly them (P.S i know this might not be easy for you to make so i would understand but maybe i could play 1 or 2 games with you which might not have a chance of happening and you can help me out)and i would also like to learn how to use the P38s because they seem really good. PLEASE NOTICE MY COMMNET DEFYN
1:44 WHAT. DEFYN you fool! Why are you bothering with us plebs when you could have ice cream fresh from the truck! :(
Is it possible to activate some keys for removed steam packs if we buy the key in another site?
Clapp'd weangz
No, because as usual in this game, everything is overpriced.
Spitfire for real mk xive
I love spit on Israel tech tree, it has 40m/s climb rate. Crazy thing
I refuse to play Britain solely for the fact thhat they mostly use 7mm even at Tier 4. Just not worth the pain of doing no damage.
You should have paused the recording and went and got ice cream... Never deny yourself ice cream especially for a dumb YT video you can make any time. Ice cream is always worth it
IP address 38
No ice-cream?
Ha nice you still have ice cream trucks?
Day 37 of asking Defyn to play the yak 30d
One could even say the clipped wing spits are kinda
Boats
They aren't boats as they don't lose that much turn rate. They just make a unique trade off that requires a completely different style of play to normal Spits. You try to play them like you would a normal Spit and you will suffer more for it.
These limited time vehicles are always overpriced for what they are. Never buy these unless you absolutely must have them.
Those Aircrafts are good for beginners
Not for me like an Old players
Disliked for not pausing recording and getting ice cream.
Spit from ohio
🤓🤓🤓🤓🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@DaysterZ ok
Unskippable ads is a pain
Do you have any plans for making video on Spit Mk.24 in the current matchmaker?
Short answer is NO! War thunder is not going to be fun if you start spending money. PLaying and losing is one thing, spending money and losing is way more infuriating.
Games a dumpster fire grind fest. I still watch Defyn's videos because they're entertaining, but WT is and has been trash. I moved on to DCS and you'll never believe this, but when you buy an aircraft you get the aircraft, and all the upgrades and weapons systems...*without grinding*.
cheeseburger