Be easy to balance it by just making it historically accurate. The rockets weren't proxy fused and were ridiculously bad. Look up the 'Battle of Palmdale' where a F-89D at near point blank range failed to shoot down a drone hellcat and instead set large parts of the countryside on fire. Their war service record was more a sad joke as the poor pilots stuck in them were essentially just there to be shot at.
@@dsdy1205 removing long boi tiger 2 and panther 2 Gaijin : oh it's historically inaccurate The plane that even a failed abortion failure of a dude can get an ace. Gaijin : ouuuoo, it's good as it is ouiisis, give proxi rockets and make the rockets pods super tankiiiiiiiiiii, this is the Most BalENCeD one we madeeee. Dojfjdidk
F-89Ds failed to intercept broken drone F6F because their radar was malfunctioning. Pilots had to shoot at the F6F only relying on their instincts because their radar was their gunsight of the aircraft. Auto-ripple fire via its radar and fire control system was normal protocol of F-89Ds but at that time, those pilots were unlucky.
@@dmdj8588 The E-6 radar not working was not a one off thing. Even the last gen E-9's were trash. The F-89D's chief contribution to US Defense were as a paper tiger deterent to Russian bombers who would have been surprised at how easy they were to shrug off. U.S. Should have gone with the XF-87...I bet some US Generals retired into riches after prioritizing their own retirement gold over the clear preference of the actual pilots. But to your point, no they were not unlucky in a normal sense except in drawing a pilot slot on a F-89 on any model.
I find it funny how their reasoning for that was that War Thunder is supposed to be about “historical vehicles” but the entire Russian tech tree is filled with experimental vehicles and prototypes
@@frozenturtl827 yes, my point was more along the lines of there being so many prototypes and experimental vehicles in the game that Gaijin’s reasoning was ridiculous
I forgot these things existed so I went headon with one in a 262, thinking easy kill... Then the air around my plane started exploding and I was on fire....
F89D is the best definition of pay to win. As a Gaijin partner i think you can change your nick constantly like Phlydaily do in order to become incognito and avoid this kind of situation.
Dude, I got this basically on accident in the sale without knowing anything about it. I am a shit Air RB pilot (learning a lot on your channel btw so thanks!). I got so many kills in this it's disgusting. Got an Ace in like my third game. An believe me, an Ace for me would be quite an achievement in any other plane. If you meet people who know what they are doing you are fu**ed but my god ...
Real talk now How come this (premium) has proximity fuzes on rockets it never used But J32B Lansen and J35 Draken dont have the proximity fuze on the 75mm jrak, that was considered the main armament as the early aim9b was considered ineffective
Yeah, and they removed they also removed the Maus because "it doesn't fit the gameplay". I guess the gameplay consists of overpowered premiums now so they're technically correct.
@@AttiliusRex ok. Ja det är lite dumt av dem att inte lägga till det som användes primärt på ett plan. Det är ju inte så att de skulle vara op med tanke på hastigheterna som man flyger i med draken och att man inte har så mycket ammo. Jag ser ingen anledning varför de inte skulle göra det förutom att de är lat.
@@piscessoedroen That isn't even limited to American teams, the combined German, Russian and Swedish teams will happily turn fight Zeroes. Despite knowing that there are Japanese planes on the enemy team. They all just get sucked into a furrball as fast as possible and lose their big brain on the way. When finally the Zeroes arrive they are turn turn fighting on the deck, without knowing what's above them, ready to engage them.
if you want to move it up it should be buffed. Planes like sea hawk can easy kill it. svedish boys are way too much for this plane. Everything faster has really high chances to destroy it.
@@torvamessor3059 I play this plane much and I think this plane in current war thunder state is impossible to balance and don't destroy it. It's my favorite plane and maybe Im saying that because I don't want to lose my toy but. In current state every plane is better than f89 in its own way. Every jet can do tighter twist. You need to be fast in f89d to stay alive but you can't change your direction when you are too fast so every plane that will be cautious enough can be pretty dangerous. Good player even in me262 can put me in really harsh situation. Just go under f89d, fly low. F89d is getting altitude by itself so it's always higher than other jets but when someone is going lower than me I'm ignoring him because It's impossible to attack him.
@@TapczanZaglady ok for the record i usually do stay low but every time i do guess what ......a f89d comes out of nowhere and uses its BS proxy rockets to kill me.....i go high a get either dived on or climbed up to by a f89d and killed by its proxy rockets.......i stay at the same altitude and pull the same manuevers as the mig9 and french jet in the last clip of this vid guess what happens *gasp* im still killed by proxy fusing rockets of a f89ds. i would absolutely LOVE to see the f89d completely nerfed into the ground to the point where it is unusable and if it means put it at a br where it cant club anymore so be it
@@torvamessor3059 I have same problem with invisible svedish planes. Just dont fly straight. F89d is hard to use and on uptier its almost impossible to do anything,
@@piscessoedroen I'm currently grinding the usa tree cuz im furious to see ppl complain about russia right now. Im at the F84B. It is an avarage to bad plane, but if its played right it can succeed like everything else. Noone gave a flying duck about the mig 21f13 vs the f4C, when that was indeed the case of bad balance. And now that the BiS is slightly better or should i say easier to play, they are outraged that they cant just randomly shoot 8 missiles score 2 kills and call it a day.
I faced this thing in my P51H.... he chased down and killed all my jet teammates, as the lone prop all I could do was watch as he turned towards me and shot all those rockets at me in a head on that I was forced to take.
If they gave it proxy fuse rockets too... then I'd say avoid it. Otherwise, it is just a larger heavier F-80 with an afterburner, 6× M3 50 cals and a small radar.
The sea venom is fairly competitive with these guys, and I find myself being able to down at least 2 f89s if I’m smart, but it is still a problem and I see many of my teammates get Absolutley swarmed by 5 of them in a furball
@@piscessoedroen He prolly got the bis earlier but enjoys playing the mig17. Then the mig17 gets blasted out of the skies by harriers, which in turn get blasted out of the sky by his bis
@@piscessoedroen yeah I was at mig15 in ussr tech tree when bis was announced got 15bis and used it to research la15 and 200 and 17 then I used 17 to grind 19pt before gr1 was added but had to grind f13 and SMT while getting assraamed and then SMT to grind Bis one thing that was pretty stupid it took half the RP to bis to get r60s for the SMT... This was with playing for about 3-4 hours a night with a premium account
@@prestonang8216 i was researching the f13 with the mig17 when gr1 was added but I did enjoy flying it (and can now enjoy again) which is why I chose to fly it instead of the 19pt but yes now gr1s go bye bye
My problem with them is i was running from one. He shot low i saw that and went up. Dodged them. Then he shit high. I saw that and had no option: Go straight he'll hit. Try dive they'll hit before i got down. Go up he'll hit. Turn? The spread means he'll still hit
Btw, on the second battle, your vehicle texture dropped to literally lower than low textures. Any way on how to fix this? Because now I know that its not only me who has this bug
But you understand that this thing destroys the entire br right? It Would be betther if 1 plane was bad then an entire br I can kill like 2 of These with my Sea Meteor but that only because most f86d players are Bad AF if they Play that Thing right it is legit godmode but imagine getting into jets to get killed by an invisible Missile from 2km away by something you cant fight because you dont know how
@@Jonas-uw2jr BR balancing is definitely a tough job. The Scorpions might be an example of planes that are tricky to balance, but almost every jet after 6.7 runs into that issue.
There's no 8.7 BR in an aircraft that just uses speed to turn heads repeatedly. BR should be more finely divided, but it won't change because gaijin is more concerned with matching speed.
This thing along with the F-89B are just so dirty, I feel guilty playing the Scorpions because I can shut my brain off and literally dont need to think and I can still carry games with 3-4 kills ez. 6.7 props like Tigercats and Spit Mk24s stand absolutely no chance, even Tu-4s are pretty much powerless. However, as you said, at an 8.0 uptier its not terrible, but once you get to 8.3 or 8.7, it really begins to suffer, especially when you come across something like an A-4 or G.91R/4, which can dunk on you in terms of performance and have missiles that you cant really effectively evade, so youre kinda screwed.
@@Qdiglet Me too, the spit mk24 was 6.3 back in the day. Also i face the f-89 in my 7.0 b-29 sometimes if the matchmaking is particularly harsh and I end up with mixed teams
you should check out the mig 19pt after the new power update, i just bought mine and im having fun but there is no chance for me to fight against F4s and when i get downtiers i get to fight with/against harrier gr1s, if i fight against them my team gets obliterated and im left alone, and if i fight with them all my possible kills get stolen/taken before i can land a hit.
Bro you can fly circles around f4s so fucking easy they’re bricks you have the best mid range energy retention, if anyone gets on your 6 at top tier full pull horizontally till they pull off they can’t keep up with it even if you pass out keep pulling, 19 excels late game and in turn fights f4s and other 10.7 will lose all their energy after 2-3 circles doing full pull will make them bleed faster cause they’ll have to as well and it’s usually easy pickens you may have to spiral climb with mirage/j35 since they can get their nose around so quick but you can still beat them you kinda have to play like a bottom feeder to do good go for people who are slow/ not paying attention and try to bait lone people into dogfights, for down tiers just spiral climb and energy trap anyone and stay at least 2km away from gr1s nose Here’s a couple vids to help you Loen debr dog fighter ruclips.net/video/aMUZDIpPmik/видео.html Shadowlink 6 kills in 1.99 ruclips.net/video/jkIj3JefD08/видео.html Whooptiedo mig19 is still king for now 1.95 ruclips.net/video/ROuQ5QM2U-g/видео.html
the only thing that has ever killed me while i was grinding the 229 and 262 was the F89D, thing should either gets its historic rockets and not the prox, or get moved to 8.7, something with an afterburner at 7.3 and 7.7 fighting early jets is mega unfun
I got like 5 ace games in a row with this thing a week ago but I don't necessarily think because its a good plane, more so that people are just absolutely dumb when it comes to fighting this thing. The amount of people who head on it and fly in a straight line with it behind them is insane. The maneuverability is god awful and as soon as it gets any slight scrape to it, the flight model melts and it becomes a flying boat
Defyn just bullying people again like that poor He 51 0:11 x) But seriously it is quite of a problem, especially now after Christmas where everybody got money and spams the matches with these death machines. Overstrained servers and terrible sync make it even worse...
Really struggling fighting entire teams of these in my Meteor. They climb better and are faster, and don't even need to hit me to kill me. Meanwhile hispanos just get 'hit' in return.
Something to note is that your hispano hits actually works againts these planes, and every blacked plane segment is another 25% acceleration reduce and those 25% goes to the chances of this thing not turning and even spinning And that's only on the B model, the severity of damage is doubled on the D model
Even againts 8.3 jets this thing definitely won't win, it would always be like that swift 1v1 battle in the video, only waiting for people to do dumb stuff (yes, not mistake but dumb stuff, that's how unreliable this thing)
@@B52Stratofortress1 then do something about it lol. I don't get why ppl just complain and complain without even trying to figure out what you can do to defend yourself. I get your point with the tu 4 and with the IL 28 but the Canberra can easily do smth about this plane
This is more painful because, jokes aside, as a french, i am naturally an big fan of french fighters : - Some foreign planes are so broken and they shouldn’t be - Most of great french fighters were awesome and they’re just garbages in the game. Having most of your country’s plane tech tree being so bad and fucked up, yet it shouldn’t be, and seeing on the other side some planes that everyone knows in réal life they were absolute crap, killing the fun of everyone in each match, this makes me really mad…
The B version is better since it has the same-ish gun power as the m61 vulcan, difference is the slower firerate but there's 6 of them in the nose soooo...
If i have a teamm8 flying this And He types "ez" in all chat i am executing him on the f*cking spot, even got myself secondary account so i dont Care About Getting banned 😂🤣
Had one of these ass hats crash to deny my kill of him with AA-20.. Fired one in head on about 9 km of him, wishing he wouldn't spot it coming. But he did, and started complaining of me using these no skill pay2win rockets! Then he dove down and crashed so i wouldn't kill him with second one :DD
Why yes, I do fly the Jew Vautour. Helps with my suicidal tendencies. I just habitually smash into the ground every time I see an AIM-9J/P or the occasional R-60 fired at me. 10/10 will spend my gaijin coins on unflyable trash again.
i am terrible at air RB and even i can do kind of OK ish in this thing (one kill per game maybe two sometimes). so ya in the hands of competent players this thing is OP and needs to go up in BR. premium stuff should always be ether worse than the tecktree equivalent. or at a higher BR than its tecktree equivalent. or something silly and fun. what they should not do is take over the game.
I only playing one nation. When I playing as Me262 and F89D coming I can't do much. If I turn thats mean he will on my tail and give me some rocket. If I head on with F89D thats mean I dead too cuz rocket. If I trying to rach him, F89D too fast for Me262. I was frustated cuz this Jet.
Bit unrelated, but Ive been trying to play my Swift F7 and almost every match is an uptier against the US. USA 9.7 is probably the most disgusting bunch of planes in the game. Every single american plane is consistanly better than my team... F11, A7, F100, Harriers etc. My team just gets obliterated in 2 minutes and im losing the will to get the phantom FG1
The F89D isnt OP at all. All the kills you see in most videos like these are more easily obtainable in the F89B variant you much purchase before the D. Its kind of crazy the 89D gets all this hype as OP when the ridiculous ROF guns on the F89B are more accurate, kill faster, easier, and never run out of ammo. Oh you got down tiered one time and fought props! It must be OP! Its the same as when you queue with a new friend in 2.7 or 3.0 and all of a sudden your facing 4.0s and 4.3s. There is nothing different about the power creep. Its just matchmaking putting you on the other end of things. It happens. Most of the time when I queue in my F89's its against other jets, sometimes with missiles. In that environment no F89 variant is king. It just happens to be in a tier thats in the middle of props and jets. So of course its going to fight props from time to time, however that said even a basic Sabre will make these planes feel like a mig 9 in comparison. Also when it does get tiered correctly its on the edge of the jet tier. Which means people usually have 1 or 2 really bad jets like F80's or Mig9's, and when they die, they swap to their best prop(in arcade which i feel is the mode that causes all this F89D hate). So these jets will likely see more props than most for that reason. The F89B is better in every way. It just doesnt shoot rockets so it doesnt have the mystic cool factor, but in reality anything you done with the F89D could have been done easier, faster, better, and more accurate with the F89B. If im going into Realistic and had to choose between the F89B and D, i'd choose the B variant every single time. No questions asked. If I am mememing in arcade, I will take my F89D because its arcade...its a meme in itself.
They're both stupid for the BR the weapons aren't the real problem the energy they have over 7.3 and lower is. The D is just a nuisance in 8.0+ planes and that's about it same goes for the B The B is more effective yes, but the D is just bullshit because you can't see the rockets anymore and they over perform to a stupid degree. But you're right, most people complaining about these planes are people like that swift f7 or people just commiting in headons with it
It def. Isn't op but it's pretty good because most ppl who fight and complain about this thing loose their brain on the runway while taking off and then play more braindead as the average freeaboo out there. Is it my fault if you die to me if you do a full commit head-on? No because you are stupid enough to do a head on with it. Is it my fault if you play so dumb that I can somehow manage to win a turn fight against you? No because you dont think while you play! Srsly everybody in a 7.0 or above jet can easily deal with both of the scorpions. But most people sit on their but and cry about it being op after they played like they don't have any braincells at all.
They should delete F-89D and replace it with F-89H which did not have FFARs and could carry up to 6 AIM-4 Falcon missiles. Move it to 8.0 or 8.3, make wings more durable and I’m sure everybody would be happy.
This thing should just be nerfed to shit and left to die. It has had its time in the sun, and it makes playing anything that isnt america a pain at that BR.
Be easy to balance it by just making it historically accurate. The rockets weren't proxy fused and were ridiculously bad. Look up the 'Battle of Palmdale' where a F-89D at near point blank range failed to shoot down a drone hellcat and instead set large parts of the countryside on fire. Their war service record was more a sad joke as the poor pilots stuck in them were essentially just there to be shot at.
The Zeroth Law of Gaijindynamics: Historians need not apply.
@@dsdy1205 removing long boi tiger 2 and panther 2
Gaijin : oh it's historically inaccurate
The plane that even a failed abortion failure of a dude can get an ace.
Gaijin : ouuuoo, it's good as it is ouiisis, give proxi rockets and make the rockets pods super tankiiiiiiiiiii, this is the Most BalENCeD one we madeeee. Dojfjdidk
they planned to use it with FUCKIN' NUCLEAR AAM ROCKET! I think u should happy with these rockets :D
F-89Ds failed to intercept broken drone F6F because their radar was malfunctioning. Pilots had to shoot at the F6F only relying on their instincts because their radar was their gunsight of the aircraft. Auto-ripple fire via its radar and fire control system was normal protocol of F-89Ds but at that time, those pilots were unlucky.
@@dmdj8588 The E-6 radar not working was not a one off thing. Even the last gen E-9's were trash. The F-89D's chief contribution to US Defense were as a paper tiger deterent to Russian bombers who would have been surprised at how easy they were to shrug off. U.S. Should have gone with the XF-87...I bet some US Generals retired into riches after prioritizing their own retirement gold over the clear preference of the actual pilots. But to your point, no they were not unlucky in a normal sense except in drawing a pilot slot on a F-89 on any model.
Gaijin: "We removed the Maus because it doesn't fit the gameplay"
Also Gaijin, literally in the same update: *_adds the F89D_*
I find it funny how their reasoning for that was that War Thunder is supposed to be about “historical vehicles” but the entire Russian tech tree is filled with experimental vehicles and prototypes
@@jordancarmichael7901 So is the US tech tree
@@dagreenbolt9169 also true lol, either way Gaijin has some interesting motives 😂
@@jordancarmichael7901 have you seen Germanies lol
@@frozenturtl827 yes, my point was more along the lines of there being so many prototypes and experimental vehicles in the game that Gaijin’s reasoning was ridiculous
I forgot these things existed so I went headon with one in a 262, thinking easy kill...
Then the air around my plane started exploding and I was on fire....
Lmfao, love to see it
@@DEFYN haha F you
Very fun to fight 4 of these in my Spitfire Mk 24.
I’ve killed a few in my spit, just gotta dive on them from alt
@@eliasa.5408 I spaded it in 7.7 games. You can kill them but no prop should face 7.3-7.7 jets imo. Tbh I believe 6.7 should be a br cap.
Laughs in Meteor.
@@imainhunter Sarcastic. Not fun to fight jets at all.
@@spray916 Spit not supposed to be at this BR
"Congratulations" 0:59
I want a feature where the guy says "fuck you" when you kill someone with that bitch of a plane
Rip speed is about 915 IAS on sea level
Ty ty I needed to know how to kill myself effectively so the enemy team can have fun too lmao
Ayo smigol
you know how to dont reach rip speed?; use airbreaks or dont go full afterburner 24/7
F89D is the best definition of pay to win.
As a Gaijin partner i think you can change your nick constantly like Phlydaily do in order to become incognito and avoid this kind of situation.
Laughs in harriers
@@joshuawh894 laughs in 10.0 by now
@@jhonatanjohnson7769laughs in 12.3 F-16C
@@hmkjuygj7tlaughs in 13.7 F-15E
It's like the fliegerfaust from BF5, except it has wings and an engine...
Dude, I got this basically on accident in the sale without knowing anything about it. I am a shit Air RB pilot (learning a lot on your channel btw so thanks!). I got so many kills in this it's disgusting. Got an Ace in like my third game. An believe me, an Ace for me would be quite an achievement in any other plane. If you meet people who know what they are doing you are fu**ed but my god ...
Did you set the gun targeting or rocket activation to anything specific? Never used a rocket plane before
@@SouthPaw107 oh it explodes in proximity.. yeah
@@SouthPaw107most rocket planes don’t have a working prox fuse
Real talk now
How come this (premium) has proximity fuzes on rockets it never used
But J32B Lansen and J35 Draken dont have the proximity fuze on the 75mm jrak, that was considered the main armament as the early aim9b was considered ineffective
Yeah, and they removed they also removed the Maus because "it doesn't fit the gameplay". I guess the gameplay consists of overpowered premiums now so they're technically correct.
@@rundabjorn345 vi har aldrig haft jrak i war thunder, bara srak varianten
@@AttiliusRex ok. Ja det är lite dumt av dem att inte lägga till det som användes primärt på ett plan. Det är ju inte så att de skulle vara op med tanke på hastigheterna som man flyger i med draken och att man inte har så mycket ammo. Jag ser ingen anledning varför de inte skulle göra det förutom att de är lat.
@@rundabjorn345 tror de vill sälja F89 premiums. Hade sverige haft jrak hade ingen brytt sig om F89
@@AttiliusRex sant
it's been like a year and they STILL commit headons with F-89D...
Wonder how many years it would take for usa pilots to stop turnfighting british jets and sk60s
@@piscessoedroen That isn't even limited to American teams, the combined German, Russian and Swedish teams will happily turn fight Zeroes. Despite knowing that there are Japanese planes on the enemy team. They all just get sucked into a furrball as fast as possible and lose their big brain on the way. When finally the Zeroes arrive they are turn turn fighting on the deck, without knowing what's above them, ready to engage them.
It has been exactly 2 years since this video was published, and I can confirm, they're still headoning F-89Ds
Get the D if the T160's on the B are a little too challenging for you to use.
If you suck use the D,you cant suck in it
harrier gr1 now 10.0 ... but for a LONG TIME this thing need a better BR too
if you want to move it up it should be buffed. Planes like sea hawk can easy kill it. svedish boys are way too much for this plane. Everything faster has really high chances to destroy it.
@@TapczanZaglady personally it wouldnt need to be buffed at all if it gets moved up in br-it would be much more balanced if it is moved up as is
@@torvamessor3059 I play this plane much and I think this plane in current war thunder state is impossible to balance and don't destroy it. It's my favorite plane and maybe Im saying that because I don't want to lose my toy but. In current state every plane is better than f89 in its own way. Every jet can do tighter twist. You need to be fast in f89d to stay alive but you can't change your direction when you are too fast so every plane that will be cautious enough can be pretty dangerous. Good player even in me262 can put me in really harsh situation. Just go under f89d, fly low. F89d is getting altitude by itself so it's always higher than other jets but when someone is going lower than me I'm ignoring him because It's impossible to attack him.
@@TapczanZaglady ok for the record i usually do stay low but every time i do guess what ......a f89d comes out of nowhere and uses its BS proxy rockets to kill me.....i go high a get either dived on or climbed up to by a f89d and killed by its proxy rockets.......i stay at the same altitude and pull the same manuevers as the mig9 and french jet in the last clip of this vid guess what happens *gasp* im still killed by proxy fusing rockets of a f89ds. i would absolutely LOVE to see the f89d completely nerfed into the ground to the point where it is unusable and if it means put it at a br where it cant club anymore so be it
@@torvamessor3059 I have same problem with invisible svedish planes. Just dont fly straight. F89d is hard to use and on uptier its almost impossible to do anything,
I'm embarassed to admit that a majority F89 team is the only reliable predictor of success I've discovered in my Jet RB career thus far
That and a team full of MIG-21s.
@@Liverpool2102MHB thats actually the f4's fault.
@@nazgod11 lol right they’ve been allowed to play like braindead toddlers for too long
Fr the 7.0-8.0 usa teams are braindead players forced to fight with average planes
@@piscessoedroen I'm currently grinding the usa tree cuz im furious to see ppl complain about russia right now. Im at the F84B. It is an avarage to bad plane, but if its played right it can succeed like everything else. Noone gave a flying duck about the mig 21f13 vs the f4C, when that was indeed the case of bad balance. And now that the BiS is slightly better or should i say easier to play, they are outraged that they cant just randomly shoot 8 missiles score 2 kills and call it a day.
Chads will use the non-proximity rockets)))
When I’m playing a match in my Swift I usually kill 2 of these in a match. There’s almost always at least 2 on my team :D
0:12 That's the second He51 I've seen in Defyn's jet matches.
The most annoying plane. Its the R3 of the sky.
if you can be outurned by this thing at low speed, you're doing something wrong
From my experience whenever they are on my team they just die but if they're on the enemy team everyone gets destroyed by them lol
Love facing it with 6.7 A21RB
I remember getting my first jet which was an me262 and just kept getting slaughtered by F89Ds and I ended up grinding jets in the He162
I faced this thing in my P51H.... he chased down and killed all my jet teammates, as the lone prop all I could do was watch as he turned towards me and shot all those rockets at me in a head on that I was forced to take.
Yes this thing is very OP in the right hands, but the amount of sparks is insane
The proxy don't do any damage except when you almost get a direct hit on your target
The F-89B I find to be far more balanced than the D modification. Love mine.
Damn this thing looks like a lot of fun good I got gl
I own the first one.. 11 kills to 1 death (death was to me ripping) and got a 100% win rate
How in the hell do you aim so good with those rockets. Unreal
I expect this is sarcastic but in the case it's not
They kinda explode when you shoot them close enough, don't really have to aim that much
hey look ma, it's me! 12:25
Damn me too
Excellent vids as always!
When they add the F-94 that'll be interesting...
If they gave it proxy fuse rockets too... then I'd say avoid it. Otherwise, it is just a larger heavier F-80 with an afterburner, 6× M3 50 cals and a small radar.
The sea venom is fairly competitive with these guys, and I find myself being able to down at least 2 f89s if I’m smart, but it is still a problem and I see many of my teammates get Absolutley swarmed by 5 of them in a furball
The problem in 9.0-10.7 are the harriers. In my opinion they’re a bit op
Anytime I see a harrier in my bis I make a point of killing him as payback for my suffering in the mig17
@@FRDOMFGTHR damn you went from mig17 to bis with harriers around that fast?
@@piscessoedroen
He prolly got the bis earlier but enjoys playing the mig17. Then the mig17 gets blasted out of the skies by harriers, which in turn get blasted out of the sky by his bis
@@piscessoedroen yeah I was at mig15 in ussr tech tree when bis was announced got 15bis and used it to research la15 and 200 and 17 then I used 17 to grind 19pt before gr1 was added but had to grind f13 and SMT while getting assraamed and then SMT to grind Bis one thing that was pretty stupid it took half the RP to bis to get r60s for the SMT... This was with playing for about 3-4 hours a night with a premium account
@@prestonang8216 i was researching the f13 with the mig17 when gr1 was added but I did enjoy flying it (and can now enjoy again) which is why I chose to fly it instead of the 19pt but yes now gr1s go bye bye
3:38 Well delfyn, look at the Battle of Palmdale, you will laugh a bit and also have your answer :D
My problem with them is i was running from one. He shot low i saw that and went up. Dodged them. Then he shit high. I saw that and had no option: Go straight he'll hit. Try dive they'll hit before i got down. Go up he'll hit. Turn? The spread means he'll still hit
I once made it rip with my Ar 234 B-2. I think it rips around 950km/h and the arado at 1000.
The planes that can fuck it up F84, Arado , Meateor ,Seahawks,me163
14:45 XDDD, yeah, chase the youtuber haha funni if I kill him I'll be famous :DDD
lmao
Love your vids mate, keep up the good work!
We don't do that here
Btw, on the second battle, your vehicle texture dropped to literally lower than low textures. Any way on how to fix this? Because now I know that its not only me who has this bug
No clue, if i find out il let you know
My me262 C1 has less power WITH the Rocket Boost enabled. And the f89 just oneshots everything and has the power to pick the engagements
The best counter to the f89 is the f84g. I just love out manoeuvring and out climbing/ speeding f89.
The F84G is a good plane, just find it too pasive when flying defensively.
Yeah right. Good luck fighting one when 97 more are behind you
89 turns and climb better
Are you sure I always out-run them ?
DFNYN: This plane should go up because it easily kills 6.7's. Also DEFYN: 8.3's can easily kill this plane.
But you understand that this thing destroys the entire br right?
It Would be betther if 1 plane was bad then an entire br
I can kill like 2 of These with my Sea Meteor but that only because most f86d players are Bad AF if they Play that Thing right it is legit godmode
but imagine getting into jets to get killed by an invisible Missile from 2km away by something you cant fight because you dont know how
@@Jonas-uw2jr BR balancing is definitely a tough job. The Scorpions might be an example of planes that are tricky to balance, but almost every jet after 6.7 runs into that issue.
Can you cover the SK60/SAAB 105? I feel they are more of a problem than the F-89 at the moment
I did last week
The 105 is dogshit and the sk60s are good but easy to counter
@@DEFYN sorry didn’t see
It's fine lol
There's no 8.7 BR in an aircraft that just uses speed to turn heads repeatedly.
BR should be more finely divided, but it won't change because gaijin is more concerned with matching speed.
"concerned with matching speed"
*Lightning f.6 and f104 (used to be) at 9.7 while the 9.7 -10.0 br separation still exist
@@piscessoedroen I made a stupid mistake because I didn't get enough sleep, sorry, I'll fix it.
If you don’t head on a D or are self aware they are pretty easy to dodge
This thing along with the F-89B are just so dirty, I feel guilty playing the Scorpions because I can shut my brain off and literally dont need to think and I can still carry games with 3-4 kills ez. 6.7 props like Tigercats and Spit Mk24s stand absolutely no chance, even Tu-4s are pretty much powerless. However, as you said, at an 8.0 uptier its not terrible, but once you get to 8.3 or 8.7, it really begins to suffer, especially when you come across something like an A-4 or G.91R/4, which can dunk on you in terms of performance and have missiles that you cant really effectively evade, so youre kinda screwed.
Oh how I wish the Tigercat was still 6.0 😭
@@Qdiglet Me too, the spit mk24 was 6.3 back in the day. Also i face the f-89 in my 7.0 b-29 sometimes if the matchmaking is particularly harsh and I end up with mixed teams
i didnt know this thing have afterburner
So wish defyn streamed
you should check out the mig 19pt after the new power update, i just bought mine and im having fun but there is no chance for me to fight against F4s and when i get downtiers i get to fight with/against harrier gr1s, if i fight against them my team gets obliterated and im left alone, and if i fight with them all my possible kills get stolen/taken before i can land a hit.
Bro you can fly circles around f4s so fucking easy they’re bricks you have the best mid range energy retention, if anyone gets on your 6 at top tier full pull horizontally till they pull off they can’t keep up with it even if you pass out keep pulling, 19 excels late game and in turn fights f4s and other 10.7 will lose all their energy after 2-3 circles doing full pull will make them bleed faster cause they’ll have to as well and it’s usually easy pickens you may have to spiral climb with mirage/j35 since they can get their nose around so quick but you can still beat them you kinda have to play like a bottom feeder to do good go for people who are slow/ not paying attention and try to bait lone people into dogfights, for down tiers just spiral climb and energy trap anyone and stay at least 2km away from gr1s nose
Here’s a couple vids to help you
Loen debr dog fighter ruclips.net/video/aMUZDIpPmik/видео.html
Shadowlink 6 kills in 1.99 ruclips.net/video/jkIj3JefD08/видео.html
Whooptiedo mig19 is still king for now 1.95 ruclips.net/video/ROuQ5QM2U-g/видео.html
@@FRDOMFGTHR Thank you!
the only thing that has ever killed me while i was grinding the 229 and 262 was the F89D, thing should either gets its historic rockets and not the prox, or get moved to 8.7, something with an afterburner at 7.3 and 7.7 fighting early jets is mega unfun
What? Did someone expect gaijin to nerf an obvious cash-mashine?
nice intro
The 3 most annoying plane in the game
3?
Think he meant third
@@jameschristoffersen238 no, its so annoying it takes the first 3 places
@F22 Rapt not anymore
@F22 Rapt now 10.0
I can’t believe you’ve done this
I'll fucking do it again
I got like 5 ace games in a row with this thing a week ago but I don't necessarily think because its a good plane, more so that people are just absolutely dumb when it comes to fighting this thing. The amount of people who head on it and fly in a straight line with it behind them is insane. The maneuverability is god awful and as soon as it gets any slight scrape to it, the flight model melts and it becomes a flying boat
Yeah it's basically plays like the sk60, you can always count on your enemy to play your games
How do you get 12k SL per kill, i only get like 2-4K (at br 8.3)
It's a premium plane and i run premium
Other than that idk, i never look at SL
@@DEFYN so do I... wierd¯\_(ツ)_/¯
can you make another video on this plane now
Defyn what plane was that when you made the f89b wing rip?
MiG-9L
@@DEFYN thanks
Dope intro nice video
Defyn just bullying people again like that poor He 51 0:11 x)
But seriously it is quite of a problem, especially now after Christmas where everybody got money and spams the matches with these death machines. Overstrained servers and terrible sync make it even worse...
the pain...
Really struggling fighting entire teams of these in my Meteor. They climb better and are faster, and don't even need to hit me to kill me. Meanwhile hispanos just get 'hit' in return.
Yeah this thing doesn't die either, just a fun police plane
Something to note is that your hispano hits actually works againts these planes, and every blacked plane segment is another 25% acceleration reduce and those 25% goes to the chances of this thing not turning and even spinning
And that's only on the B model, the severity of damage is doubled on the D model
8.7 maybe,I really can't imagine where to put it.
Just remove it
Even againts 8.3 jets this thing definitely won't win, it would always be like that swift 1v1 battle in the video, only waiting for people to do dumb stuff (yes, not mistake but dumb stuff, that's how unreliable this thing)
LMAO 13:35. Best joke of this month))
This thing eats defenseless bombers alive. It should never face Il-28s, Tu-4s or Canberras
Wait did you call a Canberra or a IL 28 "defenseless"? I don't think you really know what these things are capable of doing.
@@yingundjan.strkstrm I'm a bomber main. I'm intimately familiar with getting raped by F-89s
@@B52Stratofortress1 then do something about it lol. I don't get why ppl just complain and complain without even trying to figure out what you can do to defend yourself. I get your point with the tu 4 and with the IL 28 but the Canberra can easily do smth about this plane
Sick vid dude
Sick vid dude
@@vouslakii Shut up furry
@@sniff8565 I’m not a furry
@@vouslakii YES U AREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Do you need to set the gun targeting distance or rocket activation settings to anything specific?
isnt there a lead indicator?
This is more painful because, jokes aside, as a french, i am naturally an big fan of french fighters :
- Some foreign planes are so broken and they shouldn’t be
- Most of great french fighters were awesome and they’re just garbages in the game.
Having most of your country’s plane tech tree being so bad and fucked up, yet it shouldn’t be, and seeing on the other side some planes that everyone knows in réal life they were absolute crap, killing the fun of everyone in each match, this makes me really mad…
Why you wanna remove the only plane Napalmratte can play ?
Anyone know is the D variant is good at CAS at Ground RB?
The B version is better since it has the same-ish gun power as the m61 vulcan, difference is the slower firerate but there's 6 of them in the nose soooo...
@@piscessoedroen Yeah I have the B variant. It's a beast on CAS, I think I wouldn't bother with D because B seems to perform better on both roles
89B is better at CAS imo, just vaporise people with that many shells
If i have a teamm8 flying this And He types "ez" in all chat i am executing him on the f*cking spot, even got myself secondary account so i dont Care About Getting banned 😂🤣
Had one of these ass hats crash to deny my kill of him with AA-20..
Fired one in head on about 9 km of him, wishing he wouldn't spot it coming. But he did, and started complaining of me using these no skill pay2win rockets! Then he dove down and crashed so i wouldn't kill him with second one :DD
If you shoot a rocket when the target is too close, do you get damaged as well?
probably not, as pay to win as this thing is
As a low tier pilot. When would you suggest to move to RB from AB?
about 2.3-2.7 is probably your best bet
Why yes, I do fly the Jew Vautour. Helps with my suicidal tendencies. I just habitually smash into the ground every time I see an AIM-9J/P or the occasional R-60 fired at me. 10/10 will spend my gaijin coins on unflyable trash again.
It used to be good, but Gaijin.
The swift you fought is right those rockets came no where near him proximity or not that shouldnt have done anything those rockets really are bs
Wait are those proxy rockets?
sadly yes... Suffering
@@finn7750 it's overrated I have it
Well it is a premium jet, and ir sucks in a lot of things, so the rockets balance a little that.
i am terrible at air RB and even i can do kind of OK ish in this thing (one kill per game maybe two sometimes). so ya in the hands of competent players this thing is OP and needs to go up in BR. premium stuff should always be ether worse than the tecktree equivalent. or at a higher BR than its tecktree equivalent. or something silly and fun. what they should not do is take over the game.
Please make a video on F9F-8
Hi Defyn,
Did is possible some how get our logo in a game? By the way have you tried to play on Ps4? ( I playing on Ps4)
As a SAAB 105OE I save my aim9B just for these suckers.
I only playing one nation. When I playing as Me262 and F89D coming I can't do much. If I turn thats mean he will on my tail and give me some rocket. If I head on with F89D thats mean I dead too cuz rocket. If I trying to rach him, F89D too fast for Me262. I was frustated cuz this Jet.
Well, at leas the Harrier Gr.1 is 10.0 now so it’s one less cancer plane ruining its br
I’ve only died once or twice to an F-89D since they came out so I don’t think they’re too OP, I think the F-89B is better with those 20mm shredders
Bit unrelated, but Ive been trying to play my Swift F7 and almost every match is an uptier against the US. USA 9.7 is probably the most disgusting bunch of planes in the game. Every single american plane is consistanly better than my team... F11, A7, F100, Harriers etc. My team just gets obliterated in 2 minutes and im losing the will to get the phantom FG1
Honestly I think the F-89B is *okay*...Wouldn't mind it being 8.0 though. The F-89D is just pure bullshit lmao
The B is alright, but 6.7s shouldn't see it. Well other than the kikka anyway
@@DEFYN True...Kikka should be 7.0 anyways.
The F89D isnt OP at all. All the kills you see in most videos like these are more easily obtainable in the F89B variant you much purchase before the D. Its kind of crazy the 89D gets all this hype as OP when the ridiculous ROF guns on the F89B are more accurate, kill faster, easier, and never run out of ammo. Oh you got down tiered one time and fought props! It must be OP! Its the same as when you queue with a new friend in 2.7 or 3.0 and all of a sudden your facing 4.0s and 4.3s. There is nothing different about the power creep. Its just matchmaking putting you on the other end of things. It happens. Most of the time when I queue in my F89's its against other jets, sometimes with missiles. In that environment no F89 variant is king. It just happens to be in a tier thats in the middle of props and jets. So of course its going to fight props from time to time, however that said even a basic Sabre will make these planes feel like a mig 9 in comparison.
Also when it does get tiered correctly its on the edge of the jet tier. Which means people usually have 1 or 2 really bad jets like F80's or Mig9's, and when they die, they swap to their best prop(in arcade which i feel is the mode that causes all this F89D hate). So these jets will likely see more props than most for that reason. The F89B is better in every way. It just doesnt shoot rockets so it doesnt have the mystic cool factor, but in reality anything you done with the F89D could have been done easier, faster, better, and more accurate with the F89B. If im going into Realistic and had to choose between the F89B and D, i'd choose the B variant every single time. No questions asked. If I am mememing in arcade, I will take my F89D because its arcade...its a meme in itself.
They're both stupid for the BR the weapons aren't the real problem the energy they have over 7.3 and lower is.
The D is just a nuisance in 8.0+ planes and that's about it same goes for the B
The B is more effective yes, but the D is just bullshit because you can't see the rockets anymore and they over perform to a stupid degree.
But you're right, most people complaining about these planes are people like that swift f7 or people just commiting in headons with it
I'm to lazy to read this comment
TLDR you’re a giga dumbass
F89 B and D variant is beast at 7.7 ok fight 8.0 but dead plane when face 8.3 and 8.7, unless you face dumb pilot who just full commit headon you
Why do these planes have proxy fuses on their rockets? Historical accuracy is beyond shit at this point.
You pay 60 Bucks, thats why
Its easy, i have payed to grind the hole american tree in 2 weeks and not in 6 months
It def. Isn't op but it's pretty good because most ppl who fight and complain about this thing loose their brain on the runway while taking off and then play more braindead as the average freeaboo out there. Is it my fault if you die to me if you do a full commit head-on? No because you are stupid enough to do a head on with it. Is it my fault if you play so dumb that I can somehow manage to win a turn fight against you? No because you dont think while you play!
Srsly everybody in a 7.0 or above jet can easily deal with both of the scorpions. But most people sit on their but and cry about it being op after they played like they don't have any braincells at all.
pretty good doesn't even describe it
As cancer as it isz the doind you get when spamming rockets just hits different
those are just rocket guns
So the complaint is that it has its proper weapon system?
except that they didn't work like that in the slightest
They should delete F-89D and replace it with F-89H which did not have FFARs and could carry up to 6 AIM-4 Falcon missiles. Move it to 8.0 or 8.3, make wings more durable and I’m sure everybody would be happy.
pAy To WiN
Hey im in the vid O O F
Prequel harrier cancer!
This thing should just be nerfed to shit and left to die. It has had its time in the sun, and it makes playing anything that isnt america a pain at that BR.