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$200 used Craigslist gaming PC FAIL: This PC SUCKS!
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2020
- In this follow-up video, I get the AMD RX 570 to work with the sub $200 used Craigslist gaming PC, but it is still a fail. I clearly suck at buying used gaming PCs from Craigslist.
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I love the beginning: "I hate this PC" haha
Hahaha!! It really is the worst. :P
The King has arrived
Ah yes I see that the two kings of Rome have arrived you could say.
am3 8100 and below sucked only 8300 - 9570 worked fine
RandomGaminginHD yo big fan keep up that work and keep posting that good good cheers
"They've only ever done one BIOS for this mothboard."
I literally LOL'd.
I bet you the reason that the RX 570 has heavier weight drivers then the RX 560 which is why the 570 gets worse performance then the 560 in gtz V
@@Raven10241 GTX 560, not RX 560.
@@Raven10241 grand theft zuto v
880GM-UD2H be like:
bruh it took me 5 revisions to support FX alone
from what i can tell that is the same board i have in my first ever pc! mine hasnt had any issues for over 10 years now with my phenom II x4 925 & xfx r7 260x though i think what finaly killed it for me as my daily was the pcie 16x slot going bad but i havent confermend that yet. Still have that old beast and it fires up still 12 years later!
"most stable bios ever"
damn gigabyte really released the bios and said "aye first try babyyy"
Dawid: "i suck at used budget gaming pcs"
Broke people: (Y) Shame
I love your analogies: "little greasepan PC" "driptray" LOL
Please never change that intro :)
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Dawid Does Tech Stuff Look for the revision, since the board says AM3+ and not AM3, pretty sure it's a Rev 3.1 which DOES have BIOS update, first release FA, latest is FC
www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-M68MT-S2-rev-31/support#support-dl-bios
If it's on the first, maybe check RX570 compatibility and performance with FC
Man, you have a good obvservation.
Slap some cheapo heatsinks on the vrms with thermalpads and maybe a fan blowing air to the heatsinks and northbridge, maybe that improves thermals and performance.
Doubt it,you can't polish a turd
I had to put a fan on the chipset on my old 8350 system. 970 chipset.
I put raspberry pi heatsinks on my old 1090t's VRM
I slapped heat sinks with thermal glue on an overheating fire TV and got more performance in emulation so this is a good idea
That was my comment in the last Video, Dawid should rotate the CPU Cooler 180 so that the Extra Fins are over the VRM not the RAM, then the CPU Cooler Fan will be blowing onto the VRM too
Yes! I would love to see this system with a better motherboard. Im almost completely certain its that gigabyte board causing problems. How is that board supporting an FX cpu when it came out before FX and without bios updates....
>>How is that board supporting...
Barely, apparently.
@@Dark.Shingo Well yeah obviously but how does it boot with it installed :P Mr funny ^^
@@Forfaxify I'm thinking the architecture is similar enough for it to work, but seeing the performance and the lack of bios updates tells me it's not optimized as it should be. I'm thinking that maybe there's a custom fix in one of those Russian forums around, but honestly would be less hassle to get a better mobo at this point.
Also, try the veal! I'll be here all week.
Only needs one BIOS brah
@@Dark.Shingo Look closelier to the video, here- 7:53 , near ram slots, the board clearly says am3+ which means that it is a newer revision of this board. What my question is is how on earth he managed to flash that rev1.3 bios onto that.
about the "it runs better with the older, weaker GPU in it!"
well, I don't have a solution but at least a theory.
My brother and I made ourselves 2 pretty identical gamin PC in the early 2010s (I can't believe I said that by the way, I feel old now). I had more cash at hand than him, but we ended buying the same CPU, RAM and storage configuration (namely a Core i5 2500 (non K), 8GB of 1600MHz DDR3 RAM and a 128GB SSD + dual 500GB HDD combo). the only parts that differed from a build to another were : Case, cooler, motherboard, and... you guessed it, the GPU. I took a big'ol GTX 570 from Palit and he took a GTX 550Ti from EVGA.
The "I had more cash than him" trend continued over the years, with me upgrading some components (getting a better cooler, switching my GTX 570 to a GTX 1060 when the Pascal GPUs came out etc). He never bothered looking into changing anything in his PC, because 1: he had no real money to put on the table for it and 2: His PC did fill his gaming needs, so no point to upgrade.
The GTX 1060 I bought was a crappy very entry level card, and one of the MOSFETs on the PCB ended up exploding (litterally, I saw and explosion occur in my PC) and since I was planning to build a brand new PC soon, I decided to go with a GTX 1050 on which I had a good deal on, to wait for the new PC.
I ordered the new parts something like 2 months later, and I figured... My brother is still playing Borderlands 2 on his old GTX 550TI... in 2019 !!! that can't be, I'll give him my old PC, which is the same, except a better mobo, better cooling and a better GPU (not by far, but still).
And I didn't believed it back then, but surprisingly enough, Borderlands 2 ran better (When I say better, I mean CONSIDERABLY better) on the old GTX 550Ti than on the much newer GTX 1050 that had much faster chip and more VRAM. I still can't explain it to this day, cause otherwise the CPU, RAM configuration were similar to his old system.
My theory back then was that the game he was playing on was better optimized for older GPU achitechtures, but seeing your video, the problem occur in GTA 5, which is not a very old title. My theory now is that in *SOME GAMES* your CPU now remembers that he was optimized for older hardware and then proceeds to find more performance out of a blackhole or something. The weird part is that it occurs only in some games, but not all of them. My brother wanted to play The Witcher 3, and it was playable with the 1050, but far from it with the 550Ti
(kind of a long one I know. Also don't worry, he does have a modern PC with a real GPU now)
I read somewhere that Borderlands 2 performs best on gtx 5 and 6 series cards due to optimisation. I got really disappointed when I experienced severe frame drops in busy areas on my 1060.
@@oil_moon well, my first theory was correct then ! Now we must dig into Rockstar's engine to see with which hardware it's been optimized for...
matthieu zglurg Might be GTX 6 series and maybe GT 9800 and lower
GTA 5 sucks on radeon as well, for some reason it does twice as well on a 1050 as an rx 580. It seems to really favor team green and i’m really not sure why.
@@amyfranchuk6704 different algorithms that the game designers can put in to run better on different graphics cards. Some games work better on Nvidia, some on AMD. It's usually a money thing that causes that (Nvidia throws Rockstar some cash to make GTA 5 run better on Nvidia hardware, likely to subconsciously boost GPU sales or something to that effect).
That wallpaper on your “hated” pc is awesome lol
“Stubbornly holding onto its ideological differences.” 🤣
Great content! Keep on with the good work!
Since it was so hard to get it to play nice with an AMD GPU and it even then it still performed better with the included GTX 560, it would have been interesting to see how it would do paired with a more powerful Nvidia card, like a 780 or a 970 or something.
So entertaining!! 💕 your videos. Can’t wait for the next one.
Amazed the motherboard hasn’t blown up with any level of OC on the faildozer.
This video shows pairing the correct parts together is always the way!
Sounds like it was VRM throttling, though its doing wierd used computer things. Disabling two cores should have helped, As you said that motherboard was terrible. THere is two revisions of the board, surprised you had the 1.3. the 3.1 revision had three bios updates.
it just needs some TechYesLovin' lol
Good work lad love what you do keep doing what you love peace✌️
LOL, same thing happened to me back in the day with my FX6300, went from a R9 280 OC (the sapphire one) to a RX 480 Nitro+ 8gb and somehow I got worst performance on several games, did the same check and noticed the GPU usage was up and down like crazy... later on ditched that 6300 to get a Ryzen and all my problems solved haha
All the other Tech tubers get the latest and greatest, while Dawid goes slowly insane.
LOL That wallpaper on the background at 0:25 is my new wallpaper.....thank u for it :)
The provocative touching of the water block cracks me up every time
Anecdotally I had an FX 8350. Moved to a Ryzen 7 1700X with the same GPU and got double the performance in games. R9 390!
I love your editing.
Did you try the Display Driver Uninstaller utility? Sounds like that might even help now, in terms of getting some driver crud off of the system and out of your registry. It is amazing the things that get left behind in your registry that can end up causing all kinds of hinky problems in your system. Just a thought, and could still resolve issues even now - if you still have the system, of course.
That is a good suggestion. DDU wipe is usually my first go to for any problems. Unfortunately it didn't work in this case, but it fixes a huge amount of problems.
Probably a long shot but what about trying an Nvidia graphics card with it. The performance issues could still be related to the AMD drivers.
I agree, maybe a DDU would've helped and maybe then the AMD BIOS patcher wouldn't be needed
Not drivers, but the fact that DX11 is a bad API for open world games with many drawcalls.
Dawid puts himself through all of this so we don't have to - and I find it entertaining. These potato PCs are hilarious. :)
I'm trying to figure out how I came across your channel...no clue
You make such great content.
Awesome glad to see my suggestion of driver signer worked! Too bad the mobo is still a pile of suck!
It would be interesting to see if the performance actually improves with a Phenom II X6 or a CPU that fits the VRM performance better. Lett frame drops maybe better stability.
Do the motherboard thing! It would be interesting to see if it makes a difference 🙂
Great vid, I recently delved back into the FX world myself with a fx8350. It came out when 8 cores weren't needed and with a very slow single core performance. I find until you overclock them to at least 4.2ghz, ideally 4.5ghz the performance is very bad. When looking at an FX build I'm nearly more concerned with the motherboard and cooler as they give the best indication for overclocking potential. I wouldn't have gone for my FX but it was on a very good motherboard, had a Corsair aio liquid cooler and was from a friend who I trusted to have looked after it. Overclocked the FX to 4.5 GHz and while I wouldn't put a GPU much more powerful than a gtx 970 or an rx580 in it, it does well for the price.
For your $200 challenge, I'd go for an i5 (or i7 if your could find it for cheap) 4th gen (lots of prebuilds going cheap with those) and an rx480 or rx570, maybe even an 1050ti if the pre build has a bad power supply (but performance would take a hit with the 1050ti).
Great series, looking forward to seeing what else you get up to in your quest !
Yeah, this was a mobo meant for an office PC with a dual core or maybe a lower clocked quad-core at most. The person who put the "8-core" first gen Faildozer in really didn't know what they were doing...or wanted to start a fire...
Lmao an FX 8120 isn't even worth your time. You can get a full X58 rig that smashes this in performance. I got an i7 920 and a Hyper 212 Evo for $20, a Dell T3500 motherboard for $15, 12 GB of 1333 DDR3 for $15, a $10 PC case at a thrift store, waited for an EVGA Wednesday sale for a PSU, a GTX 970 for $90 off FB marketplace, and a $30 SSD. I spent no more than $210, on this entire build. RAM and CPU are overclocked to 1600Mhz and 4.0Ghz respectively. Left the 970 at stock speeds and this thing absolutely rocks. Price to performance is second to none.
This is my first time realizing your channel name isn’t David Does Tech Stuff
Dawid is close to David.
Me: That was a bit of an overdramatic intro...
Dawid: After that overdramatic intro...
Me: Oh, he knows. Good, good.
0:45 😂 I JUST CAN’T! 😂
I'm by no means an expert, but I have bought parts and built/sold over 30 PC's in the Vancouver area over the last 18 months. Haven't done much since COVID but sort of looking to get back into it. Can share potential deals with you when I find them
"bowl doozer" lmao
i've built a pc capable of running any modern games on high at 60fps and doom eternal at 150fps for less than 350$
100$ ali express Intel CPU/MB/16gb of ram, 16$ Cpu cooler, 75$ used R570, 25$ Sandisk 120gb SSD, an old 1Tb hardrive, 45$ Aerocool Case, 55$ 550w Aerocool PSU.
before you ask, it wasn't meant to be my main rig, i've built it for a kid that just got into PC and didn't had 2000$ to blow in the GFX card alone,
imho for what he paid he got pretty good bang for his bucks.
Might also suggest, I bought the Wiistar capture card off Amazon, it's under $100 CAD and captures 1080p 60fps over USB3, it's a decent little capture card. That would take the stress off these systems capturing video on the computer themselves.
Doesn't sound like you're going to be doing many low priced used part builds anymore anyways though with the terrible experience you had :D
I always end up doing a double take when the music comes on that started at 2:16 because it's what Abroad in Japan has as his theme music lol
My golden sample FX 8120 would get up to 5.1 to 5.3ghz with a very specific motherboard, the ASRock 990FX Extreme 4, with its massive, active-cooled Northbridge heatsink. When that board had to be retired because I broke the PCI-E slots off it with a pair of HD 6970's, the Gigabyte board I had next wouldn't budge off the stock clocks, and after 6 months, the VRMs did the magic smoke.
It is actually a dual 18amp 12v rail psu, 12v1 and 12v2. But even if you added them together, it would still only be 36amps, compared to the 42amps on the bequiet.
The molex Clip got me🤣🤣🤣🤣
I got an old hp office pc with an i5 4570 for 80, a gtx 1060 for 70, ssd and 400w thermaltake psu for 50. Not sure how much better you could do for 200 right now.
Joshua Keena 3gb gtx 1060?
@@akira8817 3gb, yeah
It's a good buy for sure.
I do similar, but more often a used rx570 or GTX 970 at roughly $50 and a sempre 550watt PSU bronze rated. (Roughly $20) including tax brand new and a 3 year warranty. And always install a SSD, it's basically a necessity these days.
Depending on region it can be very hard to find deals like that though.
The problems with the FX cpu lineup is their Memory sub system, an over clock on the memory to 2133mhz, and increasing the multiplier on the northbridge will yield better frametime (not framerates) than simply raising the core frequency, I've had countless FX platforms come through my shop who performed night and day with the proper memory tune up
I remember when I first started upgrading my PC I bought a GTX 650 Ti to replace a crappy GeForce 405, but I didn't upgrade the CPU, as I didn't know about bottlenecks back then. So with the new GPU installed together with the old AMD Athlon (x2 220 I think it was) I was shocked when I tested Battlefield BC2 and ended up getting worse FPS than before, similarly to your system here.
Great detective work on the GPU. Very nice.
Generally a better target for used performance is a 3rd or 4th (or newer) gen i7, or if you are really lucky a 1st or 2nd gen ryzen cpu.
For the old intel I would say the gold is still old optiplex office systems from concinement/ thrift stores, garage sales, or Facebook marketplace. An old i5 is the minimum spec and you can pair that with an rx570 but we try for 4core 8thread as a base.
I have built several optiplex PCs with 750ti, 1050ti, and 1650s over the years and they run very well. Nvidia GPUs have better compatibility, better build quality/ longevity, and can be found used. The market for GPUs is a bit odd now, but sometimes you get lucky. Just keep your eyes open.
This seems like a less extreme version of when me and my dad tried to get XP11 working on a system with a Q9550, 8GB of DDR3 and HD6790, which failed horrifically. We then got an RX 580 and it became even worse, to the point where Elite Dangerous (a game which worked fine with the previous GPU Installed) would crash on startup. Being an obvious CPU bottleneck with trying to run modern games on a 13 year old CPU that hit 65% use on idle, we ended up retiring the system, returning the GPU (which I planned to use for myself, although I instead spent a month asking for my own PC which eventually worked out with me using a Ryzen 3600/5700 XT instead) and my dad getting a prebuilt with a 9900K and 2080 Super.
You should try running the games at higher settings and shifting as much of the load to the GPU. I had a 8350 & 580 running fantastic together at ultra in 1080p in most of not all titles
You probably didn't have a trash mobo
@@JudeTheRUclipsPoopersubscribe I had a pretty basic gigabyte 970 board.
casually getting recommended this 3 years later
You know, I think I had this same CPU/motherboard combination. It was in one of CyberpowerPC's pre-spec'd builds and it never worked right. They refused to ever fix the problem for me so I was out like $800 bucks for the computer, plus the wasted shipping to send it in for service.
this could actually be a very good system for a long time with an appropriate MB. I just recently left my gaming phenom setup, it still runs all good, but it lacked GHz (3.4 max). I bet this puppy OCed at 4-4.2 GHz would still be a beast AND it will heat your room in the winter ey!
So... I had a FX-8120 when they first came out, and it had power issues, so I replaced it with a FX-3850... and... no one will believe me... but today I am playing Cyberpunk on it. (1080 low)
Of course, the 990FXA chipset makes a huge difference. And a GTX 970 OC.
I ended up switching the FX-8120 into a streaming rig until it burned out, that was about 6 years ago.
There is a reason people stayed away from AMD during the years before Ryzen. You would probably do better with even a Sandy Bridge CPU. I recently bought an I5 2500S for 10 bucks as a replacement for my parents also Sandy Bridge Pentium G620 and it might even beat this. Certainly I think a 2500k would and I have seen those for 20 bucks.
Looks indeed very much like the motherboard is holding back the cpu. Can't deliver enough power to clock it fully, the screenshot you showed made clear that the HT link is only running at 2000MT/s instead of 5200MT/s, which is a killer for multicore and memory performance.
I'd go for a cheapish 970 board if you can get hold of one. I've heard that for the money (compared to other boards used prices, WOW) the Gigabyte GA-970A-DS3P is reasonably competent.
I used to have an FX8350 on a Gigabyte GA-990XA-UD3, and that did really well, but people are asking for well over $115 for them now?! Utterly bonkers.
Wow the start was so emotional but was about the pc 🤣
I am envious of your magnificent beard.
I had a cooler master Power supply 650 Watt. 8 or 9 years since i Sold it. My old x5675@4.6 and the oc 1080 together took at Furmark and cinebench near 700 Watts from the wall!!! After 10 Minutes stability test i stoped it. Today it works further in my friends pc.
As someone that worked at McDonald's the drip trays should be cleaned out every shift change :0
Dawid forgot that Rivatuner and other like programs do not report FX cpu's correctly. So you wont know when you are CPU bottlenecked. You cant even read the temp on these CPUS correctly without AMD overdrive. Had you used that, you would have noticed that the CPU was pegged at 100% thus causing a massive bottleneck and making the 2 cards preform similar. Same issue I had when I was really young and just started building. I got a fm2 860K Kavari CPU from AMD that had the same issues. When fallout 4 dropped, I updated my GPU and noticed the same thing. My brother let me in on the whole CPU reading wrong in windows. He said its from the cores not actually being real cores. So the CPU you have there is a quad core CPU with 8 threads. Amd liked to confuse the 2. . . conveniently.
You know what the sad part is.You can still get bulldozer/piledriver cpu's but they never dropped in price.On the second hand market,they are not actually worth it.Everything they can do I7 2600k or i5 2500k can do better and they tend to be cheaper in most cases.
I like how you call crappy tech a "loser" 😆👌🏻
It may be down to AMD's drivers being single threaded, vs Nvidia's multi-threaded driver. This was a bone of contention 10 years ago where AMD cards ran better on intel CPUs then AMD for this very reason, especially in DX11 games.
Chinese x79 boards are actually decent value, and there is a ton of Xeons that perform pretty well for less than $10, and they support ecc and quad memory
Youtuners are afriad to build with chimese motherboards and xeons
If the rx 570 is pushing far more frames than the 560 was, that can be worse. Basically overloading the cpu and leaving you with less fps than the 560, but the 560 fps is the actual fps the card was pushing.
I used to run an FX-8320, but with a far better motherboard than that heap-o-shite. Power hungry beasts, but they did run well when in a good set-up. Had a good laugh as always though, thanks Dawid :D
Lol the music is the same as "Abroad in Japan cycle across Japan" I guess they use the same free library.
Classic case of VRM throttling, especially with GTA V. You were gpu bound with the 560 but with the 570 more was asked from the CPU and the vrms just could not handle it. You can not run an 8000 series FX without a decent mobo. But even back then there were very few decent AMD mobos for these CPUs. The modo ventors simply did not care about that generation of CPUs
I think you're doing the poor bulldozers a bit of an injustice here. They were really quite good for relatively little money back then. Mine did a good job for almost 5 years until Ryzen came out. However, I also had a decent Asus motherboard back then. That will probably be the root of all evil in your case...
Dawid: "i suck at used budget gaming pcs"
Linus Tech Tips: Same...
I scored on an old pc, it was free (an old gateway), all I added was an ssd (240gb), a better cpu( i5-2320) and a gtx 1650 and now I can play any game on it, it was literally about 200$ top that one dawid
VRM 3+1 is ultra bottle-necking the CPU. Bulldozer CPU's are very picky with this because they are so inefficient. Even a cheap 4+2 board will improve this system immensely, but 6+2 is probably preferred. And the CPU being bottlenecked might have bottlenecked the newer GPU in some weird way.
Unless you get an excellent deal I really don't recommend part lists under 300 unless it's an optiplex and a RX 470
I used to run a FX-8320 in a MSI 990FXA-GD65 MB and it ran well in stock form, and even moderately OC, but when I wanted to push it further it refused. The CPU is not the main issue, that garbage MB is the culprit, and not running it with a 990FX chipset.
Just realized that the music used at around 2:18 is the same music from abroad in Japan's journey across Japan videos.
I'm so sorry Dawid that swapping out the PSU did not work.
G'day Dawid,
Did you check the VRM Thermals, like I mentioned Last Video on this PC when you cleaned it you should Rotate the CPU Cooler 180° so that the Fan is Blowing through the Cooler Fins on the VRM not the RAM, maybe that will help a bit getting the OC stable, although my GA-78LMT-USB3 (rev. 5.0) can barely OC my FX6300 with a VRM Heatsink,
I would also be good to do a i5-2500/i5-2500K, i7-2600/i7-2600K comparison with the 2 GPUs as a Intel same age comparison,
& another reason for you to do another video for this PC too 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣(Maniacal Laugh)
So your experience is the same as mine.. and I was using a "high end" bulldozer specific motherboard... but alas the strain of doom 2016 was too much for that CPU and it was shuttled off the pile of computer crap I have. I have a buddy that wanted to buy the DDR-3 memory from this system (it had 16 GB), but due to the ptsd I have from how bad the system was i refuse to really try and find it 🤣🤣.. hopefully you have a better outcome and at minimum resell the ram, cooler, and HD for lunch money 😜
AMD GPU driver overhead sucks. Requires more CPU Power to achieve expected results compared to an equivalent Nvidia chip of the time and that trash FX CPU isn't helping things..
3:26 I have that same exact cooler master power supply, running an fx8370 and an rx580 with a bunch of other components without any issue
What did the drummer call his twin daughters?
Anna One, Anna Two!
Two drums and a cymbal fall off a cliff...
I realized that's an AMD CPU and an AMD GPU on a NVIDIA motherboard, what a history.
I can't make sense of how 0.1% low can be higher than 1% low fps.
Hey you may want to check the chipset under the heat sink on the motherboard and make sure the thermal paste isn't dry that could cause the same type of issues. was it being that old of a motherboard I'm pretty sure it's never been done before and it's probably a dried like clay
Gigabyte motherboards do have a extended BIOS option. I has been a while that I have owned a Gigabyte, but I think you can select these extra BIOS features by pressing ctrl+f1. Maybe you can play with the extra settings.
When AMD cards act like that, it means they had mining bios installed. You will have to flash the original gpu bios back.
I have a old 8150 with a rx580. It works fine for some games at moderate settings.
Bought the cpu at launch.
Used stuff allowed me to get my fist gaming PC, i always love watchung used builds.
Dawid don't throw that old pc out. it's WAY better than my FM1 machine. Send it to me, I'll gladly take it.
Last week I got a whole ryzen 7 computer for $250 best deal of my life
Ryzen 7 2700, stock cooler copper core
16gb Corsair 3000mhz
16gb hynix 2133mhz
Msi x470 gaming plus
Thermaltake smart 650w
Everything on a Corsair case not the best quality but has 5 fans and a acrilic side panel
Just plugged a ssd and a rx 560 that I had laying around and it's a pretty good system, I think my x79 4.6ghz xeon 1660 it's going to retire soon
If you can wrangle a working M5a97 those are good boards to try the FX CPUs on.
I like those videos, keep up the good work ... it's quite entertaining. How do you like that torosus ssd ? Any reliability issue with it ? I was considering getting one as it's the cheapest around here and I want to have some input on it.
Phenom II draws more power than a Bulldozer. Also, no Bulldozer had a TDP over 140W except the FX-9xxx series. Also also, overclocking a Bulldozer to ~4 GHz should be trivial (hell, my system was *more* stable after OC and fiddling with LLC a bit), so I'm going to blame this on the crap VRM. Does the mobo not have loadline calibration controls? And yeah, what has been said earlier, cool that VRM. It's probably overheating.
Holy shit pixel patcher worked (sort of)?? Maybe, with that performance they did sell you a "new" card that someone had bios modded, mined on, and returned. Either way good job getting it back up and going. I mean the PC is a hot mess still but at least you got a step or 2 farther along lol.
Its the driver issue (lower performance on rx than nvidia)... They call it" driver impact on cpu" in case combination amd+amd in older rigs...