7 Issues that Ruin the 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness and other Subarus.
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- What’s up guys!? Here’s my issues that I have with the new 2024 Subaru Crosstrek Wilderness! Overall it’s a good vehicle, and a better value than many other vehicles (being a Subaru) but I don’t think it’s the best value Wilderness. If it’s what you like, that’s all that matters!
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The 4mpg hit is due to the 4.11 final drive ratio, tires, and lift. Gearing matters, I can’t believe that you review cars and don’t understand, or fail to mention ALL the variables. The final drive ratio change is a big part of why it’s good off road, climbing in particular.
Well said…and if a person was really going to be using this off road -the 4.11 gear ratio is probably the biggest advantage over a regular Crosstrek.
That’s a good point! The regular crosstrek is a 3.90 final, so the Wilderness is roughly 5% more aggressive. The overall decrease in highway efficiency is roughly 13% (so the final drive ratio maybe accounts for 2-3% of that? But it’s not linear to mpg loss). With 8 “gears” usually the highest gears can compensate fairly well for a more aggressive final drive ratio. Hence why some of these 8-10 speed cars are so fast. Very aggressive acceleration in low gears and very economical in the high gears. I should have mentioned the gearing, but for the purpose of my rant I over looked it in keeping the video short and boiled down. And it’s not like the regular crosstrek has a wimpy final drive ratio of like a 2.73 or 3.23 like a GM, lol. Thank you for mentioning this, I hope those watching find your comment! 🙂
This version also has beefier transmission cooling system, so that one does not get the RAV4 AWD overheating warning even in the snow!
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208the final drive on the other crosstreks is 3.7 not 3.9.
I love the Crosstrek Wilderness ! My preference over a Forester is :
1 ease of loading kayak/ bike on roof
2 3500 pound towing over Forester 3000
3 11.6 “ infotainment is modern integrated and responsive. Yesit takes time to learn how to navigate but wow I love it ! Easily toggle between screens
4 curb appeal.
5 fits in my garage better
6 deals with the narrow snow trails better
The reason why the Wilderness Subie’s get Worse mpg is because the final rear differential has 4.11 gears, whereas the other models have higher rear differential gears.
My Ranger has 3.55 gears in the rear differential, but if I put in a 3.73 or a 4.11, I’d get Less fuel economy.
With the lower gears you’ll have more torque, but you’ll suffer on your mpg.
It’s a numbers game, baby
I just can't get past the Forrester that looks like an 80s Toyota Tercell wagon.
The new Foresters really look like crap
You don't even have to play with the screen because you can use voice commands to change temperatures, fan speed, radio stations, and make phone calls, just to name a few of the things you can do.
We have a 24 CT Sport and a 24 CT Wilderness. If you are only a road tripper get the Sport. If you have any plans on doing anything other than the regular fire roads then go Wilderness and get that small stock lift covered under warranty and a lot more towing capacity due to the cvt cooler and torque. Both are fantastic choices so you can't go wrong with either. The black body panels look better in person and depending on what color trim you go with look better than videos and photos. I have a lithium red and it's awesome. The white model with the black panels is a bit much IMO but the Sport in white rocks.
Great insight and suggestions! 🙂 The Lithium red looks amazing in video, I have yet to see it in person.
The only advantage of the Forester is the size. The engine is the same as what is in the Crosstrek, and the current Forester has older tech on the inside. I do think the extra cladding and excessive gold trim on the wilderness are ridiculous. They should have just taken the Crosstrek Sport, lifted it an extra inch or 2, changed the wheels/tires, and added all-weather floor mats, sill protectors, mud flaps, and bumper protector, to go along with the increase towing capacity.
front camera, better interior, huge moon roof
@@savage_skirt5386 I believe the Forrester has a full size spare also, which is a big plus. The moon roof could be a plus or minus, depending on taste. Personally, I could just as well do without it. (Takes some headroom and possible leaks.)
Depending on the plastic, I think it's better than metal for off-road. There is a reason car bumpers are filled with polymer and not metal. To know if the polymer on the side of the Crosstrek was able to absorb damage or impact, I'd have to know what type and most reviewers (including you) don't seem to know the difference in a polymer and plastic or why it may be useful.
Put all-terrain tires on the Crosstrek Sport, and you have something that is just about as capable with better gas mileage. Put all-terrain tires on a Forester Premium, and you have a considerably better vehicle that might be more capable off-road and probably gets better gas mileage.
Great suggestion, that’s what I would do! 😎
I do like the look of this vehicle despite all the clotting. However, The price is the overriding factor for me. At that price one could get a much more comfortable and roadworthy vehicle from Subaru such as the Forester or outback even in some higher trims I believe it would be worth it over the Crosstrek wilderness. I think they potentially have a hit on their hand until shoppers look at the window sticker. However, Mazda isn't giving away their CX30 nor is Honda giving away their small SUV just like the rest of them. For some reason, this seems much more egregious in terms of the cost.
I agree, that’s why I went for an Outback Onyx and cancelled my CTW order.
The Outback ONYX edition is my choice of Outback. Cheapest Outback you can get with the Turbo! Plus it comes with a full size spare!!
I’m glad you guys are going with the Onyx, those are a great option! I really wanted to like the CTW, but when I first got into it I just wasn’t impressed like I was expecting to be. Perhaps my expectations were too high, but I figured this video might be helpful to others considering this model without getting to experience it before ordering. Thanks for watching guys! 🙂
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 I prefer the Outback over the Crosstrek due to its larger size, turbo engine and greater cargo/towing capacity!
@@FordEnthusiast413 ya. We can’t get the Onyx XT in Canada. Only the Regular 2.5l naturally aspirated engine in the Onyx trim.
I agree 100%. I HATE that huge, distracting screen. I don't want to mess with it while I'm trying to drive. Simpler is always better.
The CrossTrex is just too small for me, but I Love the size of my Forester Touring.
My wife loved the Outback that I bought for her birthday 2 years ago, but after I bought my Forester Touring she decided that she wants a Forester Touring for herself.
We’ll wait for the 26 year model so the bugs can get worked out with the 25 redesign.
Yes she’ll get the Hybrid version.
And yeah I’ll probably be jealous because with the hybrid version she’ll have more horsepower and torque than my current Forester.
That sounds like an awesome plan! A hybrid system like the rav4 would be sweet on a Forester!
Okay we're all friends here. I want you to come back inside now. It's safe and warm and everything is going to be okay.
Usurious amounts of cladding is not for everyone.
Haha 😂
I have heard the Hybrid Version is cokming up in a few months your Videos are always very informative keep up the good work.👍
It will be interesting to see what that hybrid is like! Thanks, I’m very appreciative of you watching my videos. 🙂
Just remember that the 2025 Forester will likely be a full redesign and we probably will start seeing the Japanese model in December or an announcement in early 2024.
That’s a great point, thanks for bringing it up!! 🙂
You made some really good points given the price point of this vehicle.
But there were a few points I'm gunna disagree with/point out.
1. Commenters already mentioned the mileage, given it's lifted, AT tires, different ratios and the front bumper not being as aero as a standard CT, all of those things combined can definitely hinder the mileage as much as they show.
2. The manual transmission. It's not offered cause no one bought it. No one looking for a manual is looking for a CT haha. Makes total sense for them to drop that option.
3. Heated steering wheel is standard in Canada for all Wilderness models! Pointing this out for any Canadian viewers.
4. Don't forget about the transmission cooler which is specific to Wilderness models. Helps the value proposition....but only a little.
Overall though the CT Wilderness is a really hard sell for the price point when the Forester Wilderness is not much more expensive and offers a better infotainment (also not a fan of the tablet), full sized spare, is safer, has a front camera, power lift gate, gets about the same mileage and looks better (IMO).
Great video on being critical nonetheless!
I appreciate your perspective and critiques! I will say the most fun I’ve ever had driving a crosstrek was a 2.0 manual I found last year, although that’s my subjective opinion lol. That’s good to know about the Canadian models! Thanks for watching. 🙂
You did not mention the towing advantage of the wilderness over other trims as well.
In Canada the Harman Kardon audio system, power moonroof and power driver's seat that you mention at 3:42 come standard with the Wilderness.
Oh, that’s really cool! 😎
Love the honest review, definitely the Forester is a better vehicle in my opinion.
I’m glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching! 🙂
My issues after 1K miles with my 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness:
1) my biggest peeve is that the front passenger door panel vibrates and buzzes with the $2270 Harmon Kardon audio system. I find it unacceptable and my dealer did nothing to fix it staying it is operating normally. The system feels like it was a $2270 waste of money because of it. They should have put a small dedicated sub in the hatch or under the seat to prevent that.
2) there is no steering wheel warmer. Absurd considering this is built for winter climates like mine. The Canadian model has that standard. Why not the US model?
3) there is no 12v outlet in the hatch - really???? Why???
4) backup camera quality is abysmal at best. Looks like it is a very low resolution with a very low refresh rate.
5) at $2270, the only option package should include Navigation, which would display the speed limit in the gauge cluster.
6) no place to put an ez-pass without being an eye sore because of the eyesight system.
It is a very comfortable car, rides well, easy to park, gets decently ok-ish fuel economy. My average for the first 1K miles is 25.8 mpg which has a lot of city and traffic jams mixed in that. My dealership experience was pretty lousy in so far as the accessories were installed wrong and had to be reinstalled and also they had to send to a detailer because they scratches/swirled the whole car up when they “”washed”” it to install the rear bumper cover guard accessory.
I really appreciate you sharing more of your experiences with the CW on this video as well. I’m wish you had been having a better experience! But hey, 25mpg in city, not bad! 😅
I know you'd hate to do it but just go to a car stereo place and they can put some Dynamat in the doors
This guy is totally uncool literally. Number one the Forester is the ugliest car besides the impressa that Subaru makes. Obviously does not understand what off-roading is all about. More serious off-roaders have been complaining about the bad off-road gearing which was fixed with his car. The off-road cladding was added to protect the sides of the car more and are designed to be replaceable in sections instead of entire front ends or entire rear ends etc. Of course you lose MPG but it's still better than driving a gas guzzler jeep or Tacoma whick i also own. Yes those vehicles are serious off-roaders but still my Crosstrek sport alone is way more capable than my Toyota corolla. And of course you get less bells and whistles than a Forester because it cost $3,000 less hello. Plus this one can haul and pull a lot more weight then previous models. This vehicle looks way cooler than any other off-road capable model Subaru makes!! As a Jeep Wrangler and Tacoma owner I am very impressed at what my Crosstrek sport alone can do. U obviously do not go off-roading as serious as some of us do to see where all of these new features come into play.
does the door cladding help prevent door dings?
Possibly, as long as the force isn’t strong enough to crack the plastic I’m sure it’s fairly absorbent. 🙂
Any info on the dealer tow hitch? I heard it’s only 1000lb rated not the 3500 pound towing capacity?
I’ve actually never looked into that detail, as I don’t tow anything, lol. I would maybe suggest searching or asking that question on a social medial forum! 🙂
Wanted to add one more point, since these are so brand new and the “ new “ thing, they are being sold at MSRP. Meanwhile leftover 2023 Forester Wilderness models are being discounted $2-3k in my area. So at this point in time, a Forester Wilderness and CT Wilderness with the optional package are about the same OTD price in my area. Not sure about other parts of the country.
That’s a great point! Thank you for adding that, I think that’s likely also true in many parts of the country. 🙂
I have a 2024 Limited. While it has less cladding than the wilderness it is still too much for my taste. I really like my Limited. Highway MPG is good. City MPG sucks, I regularly get 22MPG around town. I am 66. I don't have a lead foot. I really like the way it drives. The 2.5L has plenty of power for me. Feels solid and is very quiet for a small car. The Outback was bigger than I wanted and the Forester is kind of ugly. Heck, if it wasn't for my wife, I would drive a Miata. I compared it to Corolla Cross. The Crosstrek drives way better and come standard with AWD. I think the Wilderness trim levels are kind of silly. It wants to look like a Jeep of Bronco but is still an econobox.
Well written sir! Lol. Good choice on the Limited. And I’m not sure if you know this but I have a Miata. Most fun car I’ve ever driven!
The only thing I agree with is the center console. it is horribly slow and yeah, I hate that I am basically looking at a giant phone in order to do anything. I would prefer analog buttons and dials. Yeah, there are controls on the steering, but they are still not as easy as buttons.
You're not wrong.
I’m glad we’re at least on the same page, lol. 🙂
Good points!
The Crosstrek Wilderness priec IS getting too high, but the Forrester Wilderness is in the same category in the sense that it doesnt have an upgraded engine. IMO, by far the best "Wilderness" model is the Outback, since you get the upgraded engine. The Crosstrek and Forrester definitely need a better top end engine option than the 2.5L, which should be standard in both.
I agree though, the Crosstrek Wilderness is the weakest of the Subaru Wilderness packages.
Good points! I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels like this is the weakest link, lol.
I think the 2024 CT Sport model with new gold trim looks better than the Wilderness. Comparing this model to an Impreza seems a bit pointless unless you're saying that lifting an Impreza with aftermarket parts will give you essentially the same vehicle for less money? I'd guess it's a safer, more durable vehicle when engineered from Subaru with the additional ride height. We need the extra ground clearance for our roads so the less expensive Impreza is a no go. There are several attractive colors available for the Wilderness. I especially like the Sapphire Blue Pearl.
I agree, the Sport is a great option. I probably didn’t relay my thoughts to the most accurate extend of what I had meant. But having driven all the Subaru’s I will say the CT doesn’t feel like quite as nice of a vehicle as the other more expensive Subaru’s (no surprise as you usually get what you pay for). But the Crosstrek is in a way a very loaded out and lifted Impreza, because that’s the platform it’s built off of. I hope that makes sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and watching my video. 🙂
I drove this car had high enthusiasm about it was very disappointed this video shows some of the issues plus the side lights on mirrors were small backup camera was small I didn't like the upgrade radio the gas tank opening was poor also the upgrade lites were not bright very disappointed but it's the lack of power that ruins it it just can't respond the way my 2021 cross trek limited the wilderness is a good car but I didn't live up to my expectations to buy it will wait till a better one comes out
The Crosstrek Wilderness has a lower axle ratio!
The CTW can tow more than the Forester Wilderness!!
It has the same…actually updated and better chassis than the Forester likely making it safer.. don’t try comparing safety ratings on a near completely different year.
Infotainment is far better. You say you’ve had all those Subarus…including the 11.6 and complain about “safety” of having to navigate the screen when you can literally voice command pretty much all of that. WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road or without taking your hands off the wheel. Seriously?
You complain about MPG l; yet all Wildernesses drop the nearly the same number. Manual transmission? If it it WERE still available on base and premium, it would have never been offered on the Wildernesses.
Very limited knowledge on Subarus for claiming to have and owning soo many.
Probably bias cause he has the outback lol. Advantages and disadvantages to both obviously. Outback is 10k more expensive and worse on gas, for people who also drive in the city and don’t have 5 kids the smaller vehicle makes more sense. Forester doesn’t look nearly as good as the other 2 as well in my opinion
Sounds like a lot of nitpicking or sour grapes. The Forester might be a safer vehicle, but it has the same engine and it's a bigger, heavier vehicle. This makes the Crosstrek the faster of the two. And who gives a damn about power seats and moonroofs? You're going to complain about the lack of a manual as if you want a performance car, but then complain that it has no power seats or a moonroof, which are heavy, electrical luxuries. Do you want a performance car or a luxury car? And then you say that it doesn't perform any better than a Sport despite other reviewers showcasing this thing's off-road prowess and it is a beast, punching way above its weight class. And since you added your opinion about the cladding, I may as well add mine--I like the cladding. I think it's protective and very striking, and pairs well with certain colors.
Your opinion is certainly valid. But I have to ask if you’ve driven a Wilderness? Or if you’ve driven other 37k ish Subarus, like a Forester Limited?
It’s a Subaru so it’s obviously a good and very capable vehicle in the car class. But after driving several of them I can’t justify its price tag compared to many other Subarus and other Crossovers. It feels about 5k over priced, but that’s just my opinion based off of what I’ve been able to drive and the value comparison that I see. 🤷♂️ Despite our differences of opinions I appreciate you watching and wish you the best.
I’d just buy a base Impreza and be happy with the money I saved.
Honestly, as long as you don’t need the crosstrek’s ground clearance, the base Impreza is a fantastic value! 🙂
Bravo. This video would be exceptionally valuable to anyone considering a Crosstrek Wilderness, as your insight (re: the Impreza similarity, especially) is gently eye-opening and a gift to them.
I agree 💯, I have the forester wilderness and my wife has the Outback wilderness and the crosstrek is lacking!
I’m glad you guys are enjoying yours! I think it’s a more noticeable difference in person than looking at online pictures and videos likely portray. I never planned to make a video like this until I literally sat inside the CW and before I even started driving it. Subaru is all about value, but it’s more difficult to identify the value as fairly in this model, IMO. 🤷♂️🙂
complaining about MPG is so bizarre. it's exclusively worse because of heavier tires and altered gearing. you know, the features you want on the off road version of the car. I wouldn't buy a wilderness trim it had the stock paper thin economy tires and the 3.7 rear. wtf? what do you suggest subaru do?
It’s just disappointing to me that a car in this class, that cost over 35k, even with some mild AT tires is rated at only 25/28. It should at least be offered with the turbo 2.4 at that price and mpg rating. I’ve driven full size Silverados with the 3.0 Diesel on Goodyear Wrangler tires that get better MPG than this car. If you’ve watched any of my other Subaru video, I love Subaru! This one just rubs me the wrong way from the moment I first drove one. I just don’t personally see the value compared to the other trim levels and other models. I think Subaru dropped the ball on this one. Thankfully that’s only my opinion, and it’s no more valid than anyone else’s. Sorry this was a long reply, but thanks for watching! 🙂
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 appreciate your candid and level headed response to my inflammatory comment. you must be an internet veteran...
edit: I'll add -- you're sort of right about the value. I have a '23 sport, and there is a reason I haven't traded in for the wilderness yet. my car was significantly cheaper AND has a front camera. I'll wait for the mid cycle refresh to make the switch
Of course, getting upset or taking anything personal doesn’t help anyone, lol. I thankfully don’t get too many mean comments, probably because I’m not usually very extreme in my opinions and provoking that response on my videos.
And this presentation of the Crosstrek issuesI had was not my best produced video. It was at the end of a long and windy day after I did a few other videos, and I’ve always been a bit disappointed I didn’t present this one better (better location, not low blood sugar, etc). 😝
Yeah, the Sport is a great balance! The bigger engine and now LED headlights, that’s probably the one I would buy too. Are you in Canada? We don’t have the front facing camera on US models, at least to my knowledge and what I remember driving a 24 Sport.
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 Yes, I have the Canadian "Outdoor" trim (Sport equivalent). I get the camera and heated steering wheel. My car also has a 3.9 final drive, which might be the sweet spot compared to the currently available 3.7 and 4.11 choices. I have achieved 39 true mpg on a road trip once. Generally I get 33 mixed driving with the stock tire, or 30 with a heavy winter tire on a stock wheel. This might be an interesting data point when compared to the wilderness equipment.
And when you get a Forester you lose 20% mpg
1 the CVT 2 the CVT 3 the CVT 4 the CVT 5 the CVT 6 the CVT 7 the CVT
Haha 😂
Many good points.
Thanks for watching! 🙂
it would be perfect if it had the turbo
Totally agree. I took one out for a test drive yesterday out of curiosity and it is nothing but a boring done up econobox with a big price tag. A manual transmission would go a long way in making it less boring at least, but still for a few thousand more, the Outback Wilderness is a much better option. Better platform and power, still CVT's just suck. Also, totally agree about Subarus giant screen, it is just stupid. Needs real controls for HVAC, buttons for stability control, and X-Mode. Subaru talks about safety and it is the furtherest thing from it, you have to take your eyes and attention off the road to do anything with the HVAC. Honda, Toyota, Mazda all are doubling down on the analog physical controls and corrected their mistakes from digitizing, but Subaru is apparently too stubborn and doubling down on stupidity. Also, how can a car like this not have a locking rear differential or at least a LSD? This thing should be around $28,000, top out at $30,000, and come with a 6MT option with an LSD and locking rear differential.
Well said. For the price some of these are going for I’d rather find a nearly new SR5 4Runner.
Drive a car with tire chains that get broken and hit the fenders and then revisit your complaints about the plastic above the wheel wells.
That’s a really good point. Do you have personal experience with that happening?
@AutomotiveAnonymous208 I do lol. The paint is very damaged. 😂
I’m sorry to hear that. 😬
I agree with you on pricing but I love the extra black cladding. What takes this off the list for me is the lack of an embedded navigation system. Everybody says just use your phone's navigation but what I think everyone is missing is the fact that this vehicle is designed for going out in the middle of nowhere, where there is NO cell service. I travel extensively and spend a lot of time in areas without cell service and I need an embedded Nav system. I think that Subaru really dropped the ball not even offering a Nav system as an option. Other than that, I love the vehicle but I will not be buying one based on that one missing feature.
Good point! I wouldn’t be surprised if they add navigation into an OP down the road! I mean they already have all the hardware and software, but I could be wrong if they want that reserved for other models.
Just watched your other video where you compare Forrester and Crosstrek. Wilderness. "Which one is better " You posted it 6 days before this one
ruclips.net/video/CqnBgkOxlqs/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Why didn't you give all the same opinions you have in this video in that "vs" comparison video?
Thought during my research I was watching another person posting a different video and realized it was the same person posting 7 days later.
Confusing... Because you end the comparison saying both "honestly are phenomenal options" but seem to crap on the Crosstrek in this video?
So Forrester wilderness in your opinion is better for the difference in price vs the Crosstrek wilderness?
I’m sorry for any confusion. I filmed them both at the same time. The Crosstrek is a good vehicle (because it’s a Subaru), but the more I was around it on the two different days I borrowed one (the other day was the regular Crosstrek wilderness video I did a week earlier than these) the more I’m disappointed in its value, IMO. I do think a Forester Wilderness, which now can likely be found for $500-2,000 under MSRP is a better vehicle than a Crosstrek Wilderness, even when both are MSRP. I think I was more objective with the comparison video and maybe more subjective with my thoughts on the value in the 7 issues video. Again, I apologize for the confusion, I have mixed thoughts and opinions on the Crosstrek, lol. 😅
Main Problem: Its a Subaru CVT
You're a decade late to the party.
Why are you shouting, man?
I’m sorry, it was a very windy day so I had been speaking loudly and close to the microphone to attempt negating the winds effect. I just need to go get an aftermarket mic. 😅
@@AutomotiveAnonymous208 it's all good, i'm just buggin ya:)
That’s why I order 24 limited, made in Japan not Indiana 😂 gosh, I hate car assembly in Indiana 😂
lmao... The limited trim is assembled in Indiana too. L
37k is wayyyy too much for the crosstrek.
Good thing it's only 33. 😐