PART TWO! it's a long one so sit back and enjoy our lil virtual roundtable discussion of the Kibbe body types. TIME STAMPS BELOW: 0:00 - intro 1:45 - some responses / disclaimers 3:14 - body image 4:04 - body positivity 7:16 - body neutrality 9:10 - Larisa on Japanese beauty standards 11:19 - self love is a never-ending process 12:13 - our typical style 16:26 - emphasizing or hiding body parts 19:00 - "flattering" clothing 19:37 - dressing for yourself vs others 22:11 - Kibbe type consultation results! 24:32 - "Natural" characteristics 25:07 - "Dramatic Classic" characteristics 25:46 - "Soft Classic" characteristics 26:39 - "Soft Gamine" characteristics 26:50 - "Theatrical Romantic" characteristics 27:11 - style recommendations 27:42 - Theatrical Romantic style 28:42 - Soft Gamine style 29:36 - Natural style 30:35 - Soft & Dramatic Classic style 32:33 - hair and makeup recommendations 35:43 - what if recs don't match personality? 39:05 - Haley's final thoughts 41:44 - Ash's final thoughts 43:00 - Larisa's final thoughts 43:49 - Maddie's final thoughts 45:15 - my final thoughts
Honestly can't see how some ppl would see those videos as anti kibbe or would think that you were speaking negatively abt the kibbe interpretators. literally what, hoow 💀
Ya westerners make it seem like yall moving forward in society but u are moving backwards coz people used to be naked way back and started wearing clothes when insects, weather and every other things started harming their body but yeah drop clothes fellow girls...i'm pretty sure sun, rain, insects won't harm you in any way
Critical commentary is not hating. I’m an editor, my job is to give critical feedback on fiction pieces I work on. It isn’t hating the piece, it is doing my job to make piece the best version of itself that it can be. Commentary videos like Tiffany’s are 100% the same. A breakdown of elements NOT hate. Period.
Critical commentary should be encouraged and Kibbe and his fans should be thankful for it. Society as a whole needs constant feedback to learn how to be better, but, unfortunately, people like being right or belonging to a "rightful" group more than learning and growing. I'm a Kibbe lover and have also been subscribed to this channel for quite some time now, and I loved the first video! All of the criticism was on point and I was happy to see that the problems surrounding inclusivity were talked about. As well as the cult-like aspects of Kibbe 🤡. Tiffany, thank you for your objectivity and research, keep up the great work!
Yes. People think if you are not 100% agree with something or you are able to discuss flaws or areas of improvement, you hate that thing and no. You can like something and at the same time, be critical about it.
I really love the idea of "body neutrality." As Tiffany mentioned, it's a lot more attainable for those with illnesses or disabilities, and I also appreciate that it places less emphasis on physical appearance. With a body neutrality mindset, I don't *need* to love my body, because body neutrality recognizes that one's self-worth and self-image do not have to be tied to one's outward appearance. I love that body positivity aims to expand society's very narrow definition of beauty; ultimately, though, I think a better way to address widespread body insecurity is to teach society to stop using attractiveness and outward appearance as a measure of one's worth, rather than teaching society to accept more appearances as attractive. EDIT: I mainly wrote this comment to discuss how body neutrality combats society's obsession with appearances, but I do want to add to the illness/disability aspect: I struggle with illness, and I really resonated with Tiffany's comment about how many people with illness/disability feel betrayed by their bodies. In such cases, how you feel about your body is not just a matter of physical appearance, but of health -- and no matter how much work you put into accepting your appearance, it's really difficult to feel appreciative of your body when, objectively, your body has things wrong with it medically, and those issues have contributed to a lot of misery in your life. That's another reason why body neutrality is a great mindset
Amen to that. Telling someone with chronic pain or an autoimmune disorder or whatever to "love their body" is a little like telling them to love an abusive partner. We can't just leave our bodies for another healthier one unfortunately, but neutrality seems an attainable goal (especially since hating your body sets up a very negative head space which can adversely affect you physically ) It would be so nice if society wasn't so focused on perfection imagery & changing whatever is perceived to be a flaw including any signs of aging or weight gain which happens to everyone. If you aren't perfect (aka young, fit & beautiful) but still ok with yourself & demand respect, somehow that's seen as subversive.
this is exactly what i think! the issue with a lot of the body positivity movement is that the majority of what i see is still showing me beautiful women. the whole issue is that it's still focusing so much about beauty!! so many comments saying that despite someone having x they're still beautiful is not reassuring! the issue is that beauty is completely subjective and not real, i don't want to be "beautiful", i don't want to be analysed by my body at all. if i am "unattractive" then let me unattractive in peace! it shouldn't matter at all, because women are subjected to a crazy amount of obsession with beauty by the beauty industry. and the very beauty industry that creates this is already appropriating the language to seem like they're progressive when they are still making up beauty standards, it's so annoying.
For several years.... I started weighing between my body shape/weight and how high maintenance it is. Decided to stick to my usual weight and eat normally. Now I'm only interested in my food(how healthy it is) and how functional my body is. Instead of looking pretty, I just want to work on my cardio. So that I can stroll hours or run for the public transportation without feeling of my lungs gonna burst, putting my hand luggage in the cabin without getting help and so on. Quite liberating and wish everybody would rather focus on those aspects instead of simple appearance :D
@@snowman4492 You should checkout #lifeofadisciple I don't know what's up with this guy, but he has next level stuff on inner spiritual cleansing and walking in the SPIRIT.
It's so funny you'd never use "feminine, sophisticated and elegant" to describe yourself, but as you listed off those descriptors I was thinking, yes, that is very accurate!
If you just go down through Tiffany's Internet analysis playlist and look at here clothes in the thumbnails, she is totally wearing those soft classic symetrical soft and clean lines! I mean look how feminine she looks in just a graphic tee, and with higher neck and longer bicep-sleeves, which is mostly considered a more ying thing. Just perfect balance
I guess some people get too hooked on the part that Kibbe Body Types tell you what you "should wear" when they're actually not. It's more like "oh, if you don't feel well and confident in what you've been wearing so far then maybe take the test and discover some suggestions that MAY better suit your body type". The ending note by Tiffany, that she'll try some clothes she'd normally wouldn't, is exactly the point of the Kibbe thing. Not to tell people what they should wear, but show what they may try out and maybe like it :)
I also think that way. If you are satisfied with your style and don't want to change it, you don't have to. I took the test yesterday and discovered that I'm a soft classic. The suggestions I saw on Rebekah's website are mostly things that I already use, and that I know that look good on me. But it took me a long time to figure that out by myself, this results would have been really helpful in my late teens.
@@robinarman7300 i found it very useful when shopping in some chains, like zara or other h&m. because their mirrors in the fitting rooms make people look slimmer so we think the clothes look great. and then we go back home and they just don't look so good anymore :/
I look at it as a test of how you'd be cast in a movie and what can enhance that perception of you. Like, I'm really curvy. I'm not going to be cast as someone athletic or childlike. I'm going to be cast in a stereotypically sexy or womanly role. The sad but true fact is that people do make assumptions based on how people look and this is a middle ground system of both acknowledging societal perceptions while trying to be positive about what those perceptions will be. It's a focus on leaning into a "look" rather than necessarily a shape. You don't have to be thin, but people will view you more positively if you do this. And while it's lame that society judges and no one should feel pressured to adhere to these standards, it's not the worst thing to have a system like this as a thing for people to try if they're truly unhappy with their wardrobe but don't know what to try. I'd love to encourage everyone to throw off the shackles of the patriarchy and radically accept themselves, but we're going to be constantly sold the idea that we'd be happier if we fit in, so it's not a market that's going away anytime soon.
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YES! I had no fashion sense at all before kibbe. I suddenly started looking at clothing more critically and it makes shopping for clothes so much easier because I know right off the bat what's going to flatter me and what doesn't.
Tiffany claiming that she wouldn't describe herself as sophisticated or elegant had me shook for a second. That was literally my first impression of you. It's why I couldn't stop watching your videos. I was like wow she looks so put together and elegant in a casual effortless way.
I understand that a lot of people do have their own established style, but I disagree with Maddie saying “you know what your style is” because I really don’t. I think this is a great thing for people like me who don’t have a specific style and don’t really know what direction to go in to make myself feel good about what I’m wearing
Totally agree! Finding the right stuff to wear feels like poking in the dark and totally random up until this point. It gives you the power to make more informed decisions.
Body positivity does not equate to “all bodies are beautiful”. It’s more all bodies are valid. No matter what you appear as, your body is valid and worth fighting for. And this is not just your weight, this includes hair, facial features, and height
memorizedvisions Completely agree. It seems like the community has turned into one focussed on gatekeeping, with body justice issues only loosely attached. It’s exhausting and feels like it’s just about creating more division rather than unity.
whats the problem with all bodies being beautiful? if you don't feel like it - body neutrality is pretty dope. body neutrality kind of detaches body from moral value, cultural context and all the shenanigans, like, in the end of the day, body is body, and the rest is noise. but like. why is it important enough that not all bodies are beautiful for you to comment this. i feel like we are. I feel like this idea is helpful. i feel like it's permission to love any body regardless. like beauty is subjective, social truths are debatable, so why not "everybody is beautiful, case closed, learn to talk in terms of presentation and attraction, or smth else that is clearly subjective and does not assign people ["objectively"] beautiful or not"
I guess most find Kibbe system limiting but my personal experience is that it actually liberated me from what others say I should and should not wear... I'm a gamine wc means I definitely can wear baggy clothes and button my collar up and wear cutesy style unlike most people around me kept telling me baggy clothes will make me look short and I should focus on making myself look tall and "look my age" in all clothing decisions I do.......... I don't care who tf made it but Kibbe system opened up a new world to me. I'm just lucky that it justified the style I wanted to wear ever since.
Same, As a romantic I always felt like I was deformed, or not fully grown, and didn't understand why I looked SO different. This system helped me realize I was still valid, just different.
@@Ojo10 i'm gamine and that's how i used to feel. i could see i was slim but most clothes was just making me look like i was 15kg bigger. now i know that i just had NO idea what kind of clothes were good for my body type. changed my wordrobe and now it takes me 5min to dress up in the morning and each time i feel good.
For some reason many gamines I've met hate the term but I actually like it, like you I felt like the Kibbe System helped me understand and love myself better! Before I always wanted to have the body types many influencers have but now the only body I ever want to have is my own.
I really love that you added in the bit about the body positivity movement having roots within the fat acceptance movement created by and for fat black women. I think so often, the body positivity movement gets sort of rewritten as a self love movement and overtaken by more acceptable looking bodies in the name of self confidence (which is also important, not to disregard that at all). It's important to remember that body privilege and thin privilege exists on a spectrum and of course, is completely intersectional. For example, I know that as a size 16 woman, in many people's eyes, I am "the acceptable plus size body". I'm also short and I feel like that also benefits me in some way because it allows me to experience smallness on some level. Not to mention how the other privileges I have impact my experience in my body as well, I'm white, I'm able-bodied, all of these things connect- we all benefit from thin privilege in some capacity and I think it's important to remember that although we're all on our own body image journeys and we can all struggle in that regardless of size- the body positivity movement was made by and for some of the most marginalized bodies in our communities and it's super, super important that we continue to center those bodies in conversations of body positivity. I think all bodies can benefit from a lot of the work the body positivity community has already done and again, it all exists on a spectrum. My experience is one experience, a size 24 would have a much different experience than I- and I think it's just important to make sure that we're keeping the most room at the table for the people that this movement was intended to create space for. ANYWAYS, all of that to say- this was another incredible video Tiffany and I seriously could not be more stoked to be apart of it. I feel like I have so many reflections on all of this, especially because I know my passion for topics like these can make me come off resistant to like it at all hahahhaaha at the end of it all, I think it's expected that we'll all have completely different experiences and opinions and it's okay that this system will be very beneficial to some and not to others. This whole series has made me think so much and I really dug the entire process. At the end of it all, we're all just trying to feel good/content in our bodies and whatever helps us get there- we should do that. Thanks again :)
Yessss such good points! I could’ve spent another 10 mins discussing body positivity and not even scrape the surface, but maybe I’ll cover it more substantially in another video sometime. I love that point, “save the most room at the table for the people the movement was intended to make space for”! We should def facetime or something and have a chat about all of this bc there’s still so much more to be explored! Thank you so much for everything you’ve shared in this series 💞💞
Hey Maddie! I'm just stopping by to say I think you are absolutely gorgeous and your make-up is on point! I was glued to the screen whenever you were on 😍
Hey Maddie :) how do you feel about the system after some time? Did you try out some of the recommended stuff for romantics? I saw you in the Video ranting about how you could not see yourself with delicate flower prints, ruffles etc but i could rly picture how you would look absolutly faboulus in that type of cloth. You are so pretty!
I think that the most important thing is remembering that sizes in clothing stores mean nothing, and no clothes really fit people perfectly right off the rack. A tiny bit of tailoring (pull the waist in, hem, adding a gusset to a sleeve) can make clothes fit much better and boost your confidence. Actually since I got into historybounding I have felt much better in my clothes because you really start to notice how in trying to fit everyone modern clothes don't truly fit anyone, and you can get tips on how to make those small changes. Also I learned how to make the arm holes so when you lift your arms the whole shirt doesn't lift to show off your stomach which was a game changer. I'm classified as a theatrical romantic and I do see how the basic silhouette does look better on me, but I don't like wearing too much detailed work because I fell like it overpowers me a bit. Though I'd rather go with styles in the cottage witch/dark academia aesthetic for inspiration.
@Reshape Style I don't think most people realize how much a little tailoring can change a garment. Even an addition of a simple dart can make all the difference and it's well worth the money to get garments tailored. I happened to have taken the diy route (only because I like making things as a hobby) and my clothes are so much more flattering with a little bit of work.
totally agreed. as a proof, I originally ordered a skirt in size 8 in US, turned out too tight and my tummy seems too prominent. got size 10 today and simply looks so beautiful. As a background info, I usually wear size 6 lol nobody's gonna take a look at your size tag. Wear what you feel comfortable and fits you better.
Also! I'd like to add that there's no regulations in the fashion industry about sizing- there's a "standard size" for each number size but brands aren't upheld to them. So it's definitely not something worth feeling bad about :)
@@Belihoney Cottage witch is like slightly darker cottagecore. So lots of nature, herbs, earth tones mixed with bright colours (like flowers poking out of dirt in the garden), cozy, warm, creative, simple, and calming. I like wild_inthe_woods, cottagewitchaestheic, ilsemariie, and kleinod.endeavours but there's also a cottage witch aesthetic hashtag that always has some new inspiration.
I’m really thankful to be part of this discussion and I’m so happy I get to share my perspective based on my cultural experiences! Reading through positive experience and constructive criticism about kibee system really taught me so much! I personally think at the end of the day, do whatever works for you and like I said, if you want to wear a sparkly clothes then wear it! Because no one has a right to stop you from wearing or doing whatever makes you happy and bring you joy (unless you’re not hurting anyone)💖 I feel like I always learn so much from Tiffany’s video than when I was in school tbh haha
As a designer, aesthetics and balance are important to me, but I can understand the importance of wanting to feel comfortable with one's self when dressing; however, I disagree with the notion of something "flattering" being societal or simply not a thing at all. I think it can be subjective sometimes, but mostly when you look at lines and shapes, they create an image that can either look pleasing to the eye or the opposite of that, so I can understand systems like these for people that want to look as aesthetically pleasing according to their shapes and lines. Sorry if this is too controversial lol
@Reshape Style Or people just don't dress with aesthetics in mind. I dress with comfort and utility in mind. I like clothes with lots of pockets, that allow free movement and keep me warm in winter or cool in summer. Fabrics should be easy to clean, and not show stains as much (so no super light clothing) and not be too flashy or bright. It's not that I don't know how to style myself necessarily, it's that I'm not interested in style. "Comfortable" is my style, and lines and shapes don't factor into it. I'm not trying to hide or lie about anything.
@Reshape Style Of course it's possible but often it takes more time and effort than someone is willing to put into it? My thought process is similar to @ShirSi's. I occasionally alter my "comfortable" clothing to flatter me, but most times I don't. I think some of us are just tired of the fact that there is this pressure to wear things that flatter our lines and curves. Honestly I just don't enjoy thinking about clothing and would literally just exist in loose clothing if societal judgement wasn't a thing (quarantine has proved this lol)
I agree there are just things that look right and things that just don't ---- for example I wear glasses, I had rectangular ones and I have an oval face I hated them they look horrible now I have oval/circle ones and they are perfect and fit me ever going back 😌
Great hearing everyone's thoughts!! Definitely agree that wearing whatever you want/like is the bigger message. Also I'm 5'2 and it's weird finding out I'm only an inch shorter than Tiffany. I always got "tall vibes" from you haha
I’m a fashion student and I like Kibbe because it isn’t trend based, but I ignore all the color and print recommendations. I think the “lines”, the shape of the clothes, is the part that’s helpful. It’s also important to keep in mind that we don’t fit exactly in any of the types.
When Hayley was saying that I was like: but it doesn't need to be to appeal to men! Flattering can mean to accentuate the things you like the most about your body. You don't even need to see anyone, you can feel good about yourself alone in your house.
I've never considered Kibbe to be a system designed to cater to the ale gaze before. It's a new perspective but I don't know if I agree. I feel like it's not about making you look sexier or more attractive for men but about being able to follow basic design principles to develop a sense of style that feels cohesive and aesthetically pleasing. It allows you to look at your body in a non-judgemental way and accepts it as it is then suggests ways to lean into the aspects that makes up your structure. It's not about hiding flaws or making your feel bad about yourself but finding clothes that match your lines. My favourite thing about it is that every body type is described so neutrally that you don't walk away feeling like you got stuck with the 'ugly' type or that one is better than the other. It was so helpful for someone like me with disordered eating habits and poor body image issues. I mean it was wild for me, overweight as I am, to be classed with Marilyn Monroe and realise why I like what I like and hear the design theory behind it. I just matched the tips to my taste and tweaked it for the times.
@Reshape Style it did come off that way honestly. I can see the two ladies who were doing that the most were coming from a good place and seeing things from a place of feminism, empowerment and body acceptance. Those are great ideals to hold and a good lense to see the world if done those are your beliefs. It can do a lot of good for their viewers if it's coming from a genuine, untainted place. On the other hand, as someone who shares those beliefs, it almost felt like they were trying too hard to put on a face that they're not used to yet. You can almost see them masking trauma (past bullying, body issues, etc) with trying to be a strong, empowered woman. You can still see that it's being tainted by the chip on their shoulders as if they are still healing from the scorn of society and are doubling down on these ideas that make them feel strong. I'm not faulting them for it ofc. I've been that person too. It's easy when others tear you down enough to try to grab hold of strength in one way or another. I feel for them and there is a lot of healing still to go and I hope they get there. They seem like lovely ladies and they deserve to feel genuine comfort in their bodies. Being a feminist is about equality and doesn't mean demonizing men and their contributions to society as inherently evil. It was as if the short haired lady gained an immediate bias the second she heard Kibbe was a man. Men, particularly those in the LGBT community, have been known to be prominent in fashion, art and design. He's not out to get you or sexualise you by showing you what looks good for you. That's how style works. There are rules of design and colour that you follow for a pleasing finish even as you strategically break those rules for individuality. You can tell that there's a chip on their shoulders that they're trying to mask and I know because I've seen it. I've been that person to deflect and pretend that I'm above things to mask feeling vulnerable. It's all apparent in their perspective. Thinking that the word "flattering" means you have to look good for the world and so it's worth fighting down is overthinking it. Wearing flattering clothes does not make people shallow or seeking society's approval. It's putting things together to look beautiful for you so that you can look in the mirror and feel confident, put together and love the way that you look. People like things that look nice and we are no exception. So trying to fight down wearing flattering things to stick it to society doesn't help you of you look in the mirror and also don't like what you see. It just makes you self conscious and walk around assuming people see the worst in you and it's because they're shallow and whatever else you want to project due to insecurities you made in yourself. Their idea of looking put together just erases the idea that you can look good for you. Or that first impressions do matter in the real world.
@@ZariDV Yes exactly! I felt more close to Tanya's story. As black women, we don't have the skin, features, and hair luxury of being seen as flattering or as the "default" when it comes to beauty, sometimes not even in our native countries (IE: skin lightening in Africa and the Caribbean is still a problem). So, finding a system that makes us feel beautiful and gives us clothing advice that doesn't come from a white, thin, slim featured, and straight hair place is great! Not to mention those of us who have tried the "Wear what you like" approach for years and disliked the results. Adjusting Kibbe to suit more of our ethnic features means visualizing ourselves relative to people of our own ethnicity. It has been and is being done. I'm a SG, and I could figure out a hairstyle I had that suited me. I went back and forth between types because of my curvy-ness, but I noticed that short and tousled hair (in a twist-out then to currently in small locs) suits me-- and that's not a hair look that only one ethnicity can achieve :) PS: for any black women seeing this, the channel Authentic by Franni has some Kibbe natural hair recommendations.
Please don't kill me I'm being very objective in this comment: so I'm a designer a graphic designer and one thing that has helped me to understand why things are beautiful is the theory of balance and complement so basically we think aesthetically pleasing things are beautiful right? Why is that? Well is because aesthetic things have a perfect balance in every aspect, shapes, colors and so on. So my point is: you can dress however you want ok BUT if something is not that complementary to your body then is NOT going to be flattering based of balance an geometric shapes, is simple, so there IS such a thing as flattering things and non flattering things and we should think about it in this way and not a social rule so we can accept more our bodies
Yes! if you want to dress for aesthetics, line and balance are key and will let your body shine best, so understanding that will help you. However there are lot's of other things you can prioritize in how you dress like trends, comfort, experimental fashion (not trying to be beautiful.)
I was about to comment something similar, ty for this eloquent post that I couldn't quite put into words myself. Also, people tend to forget that our brains and perception of things are wired a certain way, which is why in clothing styles ( and also interior design, any sort of design tbh ) things will only look right or 'feel' right if our brain considers it balanced or correct. This is why color theory is an actual valid tool to have when styling or designing anything, and why these theories like Kibbe offer a lot of support when people feel lost. Some people have an eye for art, great design, or have very clear insight in what style suits them, but the majority of people just don't know or have never learned what to look for exactly.
This comment summarizes what I think about flattering and not flattering, pretty well. I think the biggest advantage that Kibbe offers is helping people to understand the lines, or why certain things are flattering or not without offending the user in any way. It's a great tool for people with body dysmorphia [my case] and who struggle with cruel standards concerning weight, body measurements, bone structure etc. I'm Soft Dramatic and my ''lines'' are not very mainstream like the baddie, the ultra thin runway model, etc so it was really good, finding Kibbe.
I'm a designer, former artist, studied art...etc. For me, these systems like Kibbe or seasons is a framework for most people who didn't have that sort education to learn about aesthetics, color theory, silhouette, balance and harmony, etc. It took me a while to start to dress in a way that I liked and flattered me more, even with my background, but I never found the need to use these systems because I had a better foundation of visual design.
Yes!!! Honestly my personal bottom line about is fashion is that YOU, THE OWNER OF YOUR BODY, create whatever ideal silhouette you want. Sadly it takes being very objective and straightforward attitude to the self to even acknowledge the silhouette.
i love kibby's theory as it embraces a persons natural features and accentuates them rather than trying to go against them and "balance" them out. It also shows how body shape doesn't matter as much as it's just mass distribution, while body types are mainly based on your bone structure, which is the biggest factor in how clothes lie on you. I am a soft dramatic and at first I was mistyping myself, but when I found my body type it all just made sense. Trust me it works and you can always add a little more fun patterns etc to a soft classic style.I would recommend alyart and merriamstyle as she actually made an even better developed theory based on it and also a color theory, which is the only 100% accurate one I found till now
It confuses me so much. I am a soft classic according the test but it doesn't feel right? I did it multiple times and even made my BF and friend do it but they also got soft classic for me :d Edit: I really wanna know though but I am to scared to go on reddit and ask people there lol
I would not recommend merriumstyle, she often gives contradicting recommendations and typings lol I love Aly art tho especially her makeup and hair videos
@@honeydew75 I love aly too, especially the videos focusing on hair, dresses etc, but merriam to me would be great at actual consultations. It's her job to do this and from her videos and her simplified system it seems she is pretty great at it. She looks at how all the features play together and doesn't overfocus on one, which so many people do, when typing so they type incorrectly. Also, we cannot forget that everybody is an individual and doesn't have the same amount of yin or yang, even within the same type, which can also affect your style
@@mignonhagemeijer3726 I feel like people on reddit type incorrectly a LOT of the time. The best way is to actually try on all different styles for each type to see which looks the best on you. When it comes to classics, they seem so balanced and harmonius in their face and body the more somebody looks at them. With other types I notice little imperfections and asymmetry right away and the softness or definiton of certain features, but with you guys I just see harmony, even if there is any asymmetry, it just isn't as noticable as all features play into this harmony. I know it can be hard, especially when typing yourself, but you can do it with a little practice!
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this video. I love that you are a wellspoken and intelligent woman who isn't "above" talking about style and body image. Growing up I always felt like my interest in fashion wasn't as valid as my interest in more academic topics. You are showing people that it's perfectly okay to be interested in both. I appreciated everyones perspective so much, this was a geat collab.
Okay so I just now looked into what a Dramatic is "supposed to wear" and it turns out that I, as a Dramatic, have the EXACT style they recommend for my type. Masculine and angular, stiff fabrics with lots of structure with neutral colors, etc. Not saying that makes this system 100% accurate for everyone but I do believe that, to an extent, David was onto something. I subconsciously started to dress for my body type and David and I have the same ideas about that apparently 🤷🏼♀️ Very interesting video by the way, very well done!
Same happened to me when I finally realized I'm a soft gamine! But the system is more for people that don't already know their style and don't feel good in the proportions they are already wearing
i feel like even in the video it kinda turned out as if everybody was already dressing the way that fits them according to the system, i havent seen the whole video yet but that is how it feels at this moment
Yes! In the years of playing around with style in middle school and high school, I’ve always been drawn to higher necklines, crop tops, halter tops, exposed ankles and wrists, colorblocking, miniskirts and shorts, emphasizing my waist... surprise surprise I’m a gamine.
Thank you for talking about body neutrality. I've not heard it called that and really identify with it. I live with chronic pain and vision loss, so loving my body wholeheartedly isn't always possible. I love your videos - thank you!
As someone who grew up as the only black girl everywhere I really thought I was really ugly bc people looked at me different and avoided me and I didn't look like the other girls. The internet really helped with realizing that I'm actually really pretty and that I kinda hit the genetic Jackpot. But although the internet helped with accepting my body, it really more unsecured about the way I dress than before. My family is really strictly christian if that makes sense and the woman only wear skirts and dresses that cover up EVERYTHING and when I was in elementary school I didn't really understand why I was wearing skirts all the time and got made fun of it but when I got older I understood (I'm kinda against it but that's another story) and I noticed how "my style" was ugly in the eyes of everyone except my church. I tried to change my style several times I took so many quizzes ( even the kibbe one) but that made me more insecure until I just stoped. Because enough is enough and since then I just the I feel like dressing I don't really have a style which is kinda weird, like I go full punk one day and floral dress the other bc I feel like it! I learned that WEAR WHATEVER YOU WANT don't care about others, if you want to dress like a potato 🥔 do that, if you want to dress like a goddess do that!!!
I feel like this could be really helpful for people dont have a sense of style? Obviously anyone can wear whatever they want but I feel like all these style tips could be good as a jumping off point for people who aren’t sure what they want their style to be.
Personally, I used the kibbe system as a first step in trying to find my style and developed what I liked from there. It was always weird to me how I couldn't pull off oversized sweatshirts like my sister or why I looked boring when wearing monochromatic stuff and realizing that it's just how my body is configured helped my confidence a lot. In that aspect, I do appreciate this whole thing that kibbe's put together, but I do totally agree that it shouldn't be something you should blindly follow because he also missed the mark on the whole essence thing (in my opinion).
to be honest I found about this system from the first video Tiffany made about it and my first reaction was WAIT THIS IS WHY I GRAVITATE TOWARDS THESE TYPES OF FABRIC/DESIGN. And also this is why this shirt looks good on my sister but not on me despite the fact that we're the same weight. It was, honestly, a very liberating experience
same, I end up looking and feeling like a bum. I’ve always envied/admired those who could pull it off because they don’t have to put as much effort in to look decent
I sort of have the opposite problem: I would like to dress up more, but I tend to look overdressed super quickly. Whenever I try to do something a little fancy or cute, it somehow ends up way too extra 😅
Elena Comhaire 100% understand the feeling of getting excited about lgbtq rep 💕 it’s a huge reason I want to be a content creator bc I had none growing up. It made my heart warm. 😊
- haley richardson thanks for this reply 🥰 i also (obviously) thought you were rly funny and made some great points in the vid. the wlw rep basically turned a mere clicking of the subscribe button into a strong smacking, if you will 😌
Body neutrality sounds like a much more accepting movement to me. its really hard for me to love my body sometimes. not because of the way it looks, I love the way it looks - unique features and all. but the way it doesn't perform. the way it betrays me. learning to accept it for what it is instead of being constantly frustrated with my inability to do things I really wish I could do, while improving what I CAN work on - when I can.. seems like much MUCH healthier outlook to me than what I've been seeing from fat acceptance movement. personaly . because it feels like fat acceptance is about resisting any change, you should love and adore your body and if you god forbid want to make any changes - that's self hatred. at least that is the message I'm getting. so body neutrality. that's the stuff.
First of all, your USPS shirt is getting the hype is deserves !! ✨ second, I loved hearing everyone’s thoughts!! When Maddie said, “I just don’t carry the belief system that there are right or wrong things to wear based on what your body looks like” I was like YES!!!!! There’s so much more to choosing what I wear than how my body looks.
It is so nice to hear people talk about inclusivity with in the body positive movement. Als a small, skinny girl I have always felt so quilty for disliking a body that many work years of their whole lives to acquire. I don't like being thin, I represents my unhealthy mental health. But I feel like I can't say that to other girls/women that struggle on the other side of the spectrum. Body positivity is not linked to size. Even tho it sometimes seems so. Marginalised body should be represented. But I would like to see a broader narrative of all sizes being celebrated and loved. Every BODY is beautiful, but maybe more importantly (for me). It is a BODY that is just there. Not for anybody else' approval or enjoyment. I like body neutral. Seeing it as a part of the self and all the wonderful things it DOES not how it LOOKS. ❤
I think this should be the attitude of the movement. I struggle with body dysmorphia and an eating disorder and hearing that I am excluded from the movement because of my weight and skin tone was hard to hear.
Honestly skinny shaming seems to be kinda more acceptable in this society more than fat shaming. I have heard so many people call skinny people skeletons, anorexic, bones etc. And many of my skinny friends hate their bodies because they don't have curves. So it makes me absolutely mad that people are saying that these people can not join to the body positivity community just because they are skinny!
I see you, all my life I've been really skinny, I'm from Brazil, where the "standart" of beauty is conected to my nationality. Like "all brazillian women are curvy and have big butts/boobs (which is not true but stereotypes...)". I hate seeing my rib bones when I look in the mirror, I've tried eating more, exercicing, taking vitamins, protein shakes.... I know that my problems seem like "white people problems", that some people "wish" they had my body, but this problems are real to me. It is not a healthy body, for my age I should wheight 8/9 kg more, this have caused me self image problems from a young age, listening to relatives calling me a stick, telling me that I only needed to eat more, then when I ate more they would say that I was "magra de ruim" (something like "thin of bad", but it doesnt really translate) meaning that no matter what I eat I would never gain weight. They said things like "You will like this in the future, after you have kids." Anyway just letting it out....
As someone who is a size 12 US, that upset me as well. Skinny people ABSOLUTELY get flack for being called “unhealthy,” “children,” “boys,” and lots of other names. I’m not technically Plus size and I get hateful looks whenever I go into a plus size store. Gatekeeping a community where everyone is supposed to feel okay with who they are defeats the whole people.
Thank you sooo much for mentioning chronic illnesses in body positivity! If I have to hear one more abled woman say “I love my body because it does so much for me” I will scream
I also have chronic/lifelong health problems, and I definitely feel you about not being able to relate to the "my body does so much for me" mindset -- I feel like my body kinda dropped the ball in terms of health, lol. That being said, I think everyone deserves to feel comfortable or neutral about their body. I'm glad that some people can use this philosophy to feel better, even if it doesn't resonate with me personally.
The high waisted pants trend was a blessing from God 😂 in middle school I was teased so much for wearing my pants too high, I wouldn’t wear pants unless they went over the lower part of my stomach because I gather weight in my lower stomach area, and even though I’m very tall my torso is slightly long and I have a hip dip even though I have thick thighs and hips.
Great video as always Tiffany, but one small criticism: I wish that, while talking about each participants body types, full body photos had been included (if you did near the end of the video my bad I’m not all the way through it yet). It was a bit difficult to understand each person’s experience and what the body types meant without seeing what any of your bodies look like.
The thumbnail has pictures of their body types, which helped me contextualize the video. I agree that having them in the video would've been easier for me too tho!
I was introduced to Kibbe as part of a movie costume design course. The instructor presented it with the idea that you could play with the Kibbe type of the actor and the "stereotypical" representation of your character to help the audience to identify the personality of the character. I think it's a nice tool for that kind of work.
Tiffany! My fellow SOFT CLASSIC, here's what I have to say: SAME, SAME, SAME, SAME! Your experiences and conclusions about styling are exactly the same as mine! The easily too messy hair, the high waisted jeans, the tucked t-shirt, not liking the stereotypical recommendations, etc, etc... SAME, SAME, SAME! Oh! And Elyssa is Bible for me as a non traditional Soft Classic! And as for the body typing systems, here's why I like them: They teach how to wear stuff that complements you, not stuff that fights you. When you walk down the street, do you want people to notice you, or your clothes? I say me. But some clothing can scream super loud, and that is the stuff that style systems teach! When I'm trying to dress better, it's not for other people, it's for me! I want my outside to reflect my inside, I want to be coherent, and it's irrelevant if that coherence goes with or against society. Of course, society has it's weight, but it's seed is, for example, biology. Are we supposed to fight against biology? We cannot live separate from society. We could go further with this society thing: why even wear clothing? Maybe I'm just rambling now... Anyways, there's something called Gestalt that, in design, is about our capacity to perceive visual relations, despite our culture... Like, how we perceive things of the same color or close together as a group... Or even the golden ratio that is found all over nature... I say this to point out that harmony and beauty is not just something we invented, it's something real, that humans and even other animals are wired to feel attracted to... Why fight our nature?
i find it weird that people are offended that you gave your opinion on the system.. especially the collaborators who had zero opinions about the system prior to making this video... if anything this should welcome a discussion as to why these systems may either be positive or negative for some people
I think when it came to styles I liked the ideas of a basic silhouette recommendations, but the pattern and color recommendations seemed to be a bit of a stretch.
@@LunaWitcher On the quiz I took for romantic they suggested pale florals and flowing fabrics...but the first picture example is Marilyn Monroe in a highly structured black dress.
I suspect the pattern and colour side of it is based less on a person's silhouette, and more on the essence and vibe that is paired with each Kibbe type. It's absurd to think that everyone who fits into that body type would have that essence and vibe so that's why people ignore that side of the system if it doesn't match them. I think the idea is that people with a certain look to them (eg a very soft and rounded face and body with shorter arms and legs, few angles) may give off an inherently soft essence to them since the lack physical sharpness. So then you would give them softer, flowy, lightly coloured things to lean into that vibe. That would make sense in a typing system based on Yin and Yang and everything in between. But it's just a guideline so that same person could totally go for more angular, structured items and bold colours. It's totally up to taste. What sold me on using Kibbe as a guide was seeing people who dressed opposite to their type vs when they did dress to type. They may have liked what they wore and that's always awesome but they really did look out of place in their outfits. It was hard to place why, but you could see that something looked off and not as put together or like their clothes were overpowering their natural attractiveness so it looked less like someone looking beautiful in a lovely outfit and more like someone in a beautiful outfit and that makes them look lovely (more attention to the outfit first than the wearer). Kind of the difference between them wearing the outfit and the outfit wearing them.
@Reshape Style Oh, I don't! I pride myself in having a good sense of style, and looking at the basic silhouettes I agree - defined waists, some softer contours around the neck, etc. are all elements I've incorporated into my look because I've found them to be complementary to my shape. I just wanted to point out that these extra elements of fabric, color, etc are unnecessarily confusing to people who are trying to figure out a style that suits them. I know that a fit-and-flare dress style looks fantastic on me, but pale floral prints are a no-go. If I was new to styling and had followed the recommendations and tried a fit-and-flare dress on that was in a pale blue floral print, I would have been so confused as to why I looked awful.
What surprised me the most about this was the extent to which looking good, for so many people, is about comparing yourself to others. Personally, I discovered Kibbe whilst trying to really hone in on my style, which was more a process of comparing myself to myself (how I look and feel in one thing vs. another thing.) In that context, it’s a good tool for finding what should work for you, though some of the specifics being hit are miss is unsurprising, considering what was considered flattering in the 80s that types aren’t identical, and people have different styles Specifically, when I hear you say you don’t identify with being elegant and sophisticated, after going on a tangent how things that were messy and baggy (which kind of opposes that) just didn’t seem to work for you makes me think the system may have managed to hit on some impressively wide commonalities, considering it’s time and the fact it was created by a man. I also think it’s continued popularity makes sense; when you have a system that seems fairly consistent, that hasn’t really been updated, and consider the myriad of ways that people perceive different styles, you’ve got a good place for discourse. (Also, ngl, you said classic and I was like ah, yes… the classic jeans and t-shirt.) Also, I found Haley’s take on the whole thing pretty intriguing mainly cuz I’m also a fairly easily typed soft gamine (rocking the same haircut smh) and she came at it so differently. Clothes are something I enjoy, and using an already created system to understand what’s considered conventionally pleasing as a point from which to better understand what I liked and why, and pare down, was helpful, even though I’m also not about dressing for the male gaze (and I tend to just completely ignore makeup.) I found body neutrality movement as a whole enlightening, since positivity always seemed like I’d need to pay way more attention that I ever did or intended to. Anyways, I’ve really been into content about the whys of clothing overall, so I really enjoyed this one.
personally after seeing your videos and trying the test, i think it’s rlly cool that the kibbe types lean into your natural shape instead of trying to turn everyone into a singular “ideal” body type
I love kibbe system for the same reason ash mentioned - it is not trying to correct you but to work with what you have And enhance that. Also i dont think it is inherently evil that a man thought of it. You dont have to want to dress to look your best but if you do, i dont see anything evil about a man having a thought And expressing it, David kibbe is a stylist, he also follows these suggestions for himself. There are people who want to look good for others And there are people who want to look good for themselves, because it gives them joy or happiness. Obsessive need to look good for others isnt really healthy tho. I dress the way i do because i feel good in things i think flatter me. I would dress the same even if there were no other people.
Some of the best designers in the world are men, I don’t think men’s opinions are inherently sexist. I don’t know, I have a huge bust and wearing them to help look more in proportion with my body makes ME feel confident. 😖
Finding my Kibbe type changed my life. Previously, I had followed all of the conventional advice, and it made me look... simple. Like everybody else. I learned my lines and simple tricks and tips to emphasize my features instead of hiding them. Afterward, I got many more compliments and, more importantly, I feel like I always look good. I think this system is only for people who want help or are unhappy with their current look. If you don't care... then you don't have to! But it's a great help to those of us who want help. If people feel weird that it was "invented" by a man, it's actually based on the work of Harriet Tilden McJimsey, a woman, who published 'Art in Clothing Selection' in 1963. Kibbe the man seems like a nut, honestly... His Facebook groups have some "cult of personality"-type vibes, and I can barely understand his grammar-free ranting. But, broadly, the main idea isn't really his. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love the series but I do wish you were able to include more older women. My relationship with my body and body image has changed so much as I've aged.
I’d love to hear your thoughts! I’m so curious what it will be like. I’m getting gray hair (potentially due to chronic trichotillomania lol) and I’m only 26. The way the muscles and ligaments age, the way subcutaneous fat changes, the way skin changes. I’m most worried about living in chronic pain. How has your relationship to your physical form changed over time?
hey, as a currently slim person I, too, from the body-positivity movement. I lost one-third of my body weight last year and have been oscillating between bulimia and anorexia. Seeing posts that celebrate different body-types helps with my fear of food and weight gain. I have been eating better since I've followed pages like I Weigh because I know that if I do gain weight during my recovery I won't be alone and that not everyone will hate/bully me. Great video, love your content!
It would of been cool trying to dress to suit your bodies so you could see yourself how it works, also I think it's weird that everyone said the Kibbe quiz was for people to dress up to please others, when I've been using it this whole time so that I can dress beautifully for myself!! I couldn't care less what others think of me, especially men, my body is a temple and I like to treat it as such by looking after it and making myself happy from looking cute. Like everyone's acting like they don't get happy when they have an outfit that makes them look like them, I love that feeling so I do everything I can to feel that. I enjoyed this video though thanks Tiffany! 💞
As with pretty much every issue or topic in our society I'm of two minds. I definitely think everyone should dress for what makes them happy and feel comfortable BUT (just watching your videos and not looking super in-depth into the system) it does seem to be based off of basic art theory and geometrical concepts. I love style and fashion and I've always looked at putting together an outfit and doing my hair and makeup like creating a piece of art. I look at my body as the canvas and think of my lines and measurements as variables and adding what colors, patterns and lines that I like. And I try not to make personal judgments on myself based on those variables. My giant hips and tiny chest are not inherently positive or negative just factors in my artistic decisions, if that makes sense. I think fashion, like art is like you need to know the rules before you can break them. So, looking at the system like that it could be used as an informative guideline. And not targeted at people who are already happy with the way they dress but for people who aren't sure why they put together an outfit and think it's looks off or doesn't fit correctly. Of course this is layered on body image issues that are seperate and need to be dealt with internally. If you have a body issues you won't be happy with anything. I definitely have those days where I just feel ugly and everything I put on looks "wrong" to me because I am the problem. Okay, that was already too much haha. But I just want to add that I loved hearing Larisa's perspective as I have the opposite experience of growing up in the U. S and now living in China.
From this and my own shallow dive into kibbe, it seems like one of those classification systems that can help you built a vocabulary to find and express what you're looking for, and shop for a more coherent wardrobe. I got that from playing way to much Style Savvy, which is way shallower, but even there seeing a difference between 'feminine', 'girly', 'chic' etc. clothes really helped.
That put into words pretty much how it is for me. I feel like what I got most out of it is being more aware I suppose, of what what to look for and what works for me. I’ve already gravitated towards my body type suggestions from what I can tell, I kinda have to take it with a grain of salt because it’s still so confusing and vague. But it’s helped me with understanding why I don’t like certain things and be more aware of what to avoid and look for even outside of kibbe
weirdly i found that each of your results from your consultations seemed accurate (from the little that i know about kibbe) but actually i also thought each of you already dressed in a way that "flatters" or suits you even in respect to your "types"! but i do think there is a lot of merit to what maddie said about how it could be detrimental to someone with a difficult relationship to their body as they could take it as a hard set of rules about what they can or cannot wear, and what haley said about how it caters to other people's perception of you. i think kibbe is probably best enjoyed/most useful when not taken very seriously and only used as a source of inspiration, particularly for people who are looking for clothes that are 'flattering'.
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This series was so frustrating, I kept waiting for the ‘reveal shots’ of these women dressing how they like versus dressing like the test said and it NEVER CAME. I WANTED TO SEEEEEEEEE-
Right like in a video series about body types and having a consultant give each person a body type, it was very strange to not... show any of their bodies???
Yeah it was a pretty major oversight not to show the ladies first in their favourite outfit, then one that corresponds to their particular type, then have them discuss how it made them feel. Also, the two ladies who were the most negative about the whole concept got the most airtime, and I understand it was probably their exuberant personalities coming through, but their obvious biases were a real downer n' to keep harping on them was disappointing.
That's what was expecting as well. Kibbe is about shapes and simply wearing clothes that harmonizes with those shapes, it isn't political nor is it dictating how you should dress. I am glad that the 2 WoC in the video like Kibbe.
@@RelieaYuell I agree, I would have like to see them in the "recomended" lines, shapes and colors. But some of these RUclipsrs were wery defensive, looked like they went into this with minds already made-up, and made me feel like something wrong with me, because I care what looks good on me and why. They've got a lot of face time unfortunately.
Maddie: Can you imagine me in floral flowy thing with curled hair??? me: yes (I'm not saying she should, that's not my business, but she definitely could.)
I would never wear florals either, but if you distill it as an "irregularly rounded flowy pattern" and forget about main trends, you can use skulls on a semisolid background and get the same effect with a more palatable style. Also, girly frills look absolutely out of place on many, but Maddie is rocking that top with frilly edges. I wouldn't necessarily take style advice from a man who got famous in the 80s, but we get to pick and choose what pieces of info are relevant for us.
I found it interesting that Maddie totally has that TR vibe and dresses accordingly, yet she didn’t seem to think that she does or that it would suit her (maybe she was hung up on the idea of a floral). She said she likes sexy and to show off her body-TR. She might not have curly hair, but the soft, ombré shades of purple in her hair give the same effect. The black ruffled tank top is such a TR shirt, and it looked so fitting on her. Even her makeup is TR, and it’s lovely on her.
@@WaterNai I think in same cases people intuitively dress in those ways if they make sense? I think Tiffany also seems to have a soft classic esk style, just not the stereotype. Getting into learning about Kibbe has left me with a better understanding while also being just as confused? Somehow. I think it’s just all very vague. But I’ve noticed some of the thing I’ve seen go with my body type or my color season are things I’ve noticed about myself already without fully being aware of it. But kibbe and color season has made me more intentional with what I buy. Mostly outside of kibbe(due to still not understanding after months), just more aware of what I feel looks good on me
You picked the participants very wisely and it’s great that they ended up being all different types. I had guessed Larissa’s body type right. I was SURE she would be a classic!
As someone who works in a hyper professional, hyper competitive male dominated environment - I find that dressing in certain cuts/styles/colors impacts my behavior in a formal setting, making me more assertive/borderline aggressive - behavior that in certain circumstances (like promotion discussions) is highly effectively. it would have been really interesting for you to include people from different work environments and how their typical lifestyle impacts stylistic choices and why given the topics specifically discussed in part 2.
What I don't understand about body positivity is why something must be beautiful or be perceived as beautiful by yourself to be accepted. Like, my stomach, there is no need for it to be beautiful... it's doing its job, it's holding all my organs inside and whilst I may not like the way it looks sometimes due to internalised fatphobia and me struggling with an ED, it's doing what it's supposed to. A part of my body doesn't HAVE to be beautiful because its just doing what it's supposed to and to be beautiful is not its function.
I’m Russian and living in Japan and I really struggle. In my family I’m the smallest, (156cm) and even though I’ve never been thin ( about 69kg) I’ve never struggled with finding clothes or feeling HUGE until I moved here. I’ve had to accept that I’m considered XL here and that most stores won’t have my size. Living in Japan has also changed my personal style. I feel the need to cover up and be as invisible as possible because I already attract a lot of attention and I just don’t feel safe otherwise. The only time I can breathe and wear 100% what I want is when I go back to my country to visit. Also, things are a million times worse now that I’m visibly pregnant. As if the staring wasn’t bad enough, I’m already at max size in maternity clothes and I’m only 5 months along... What I wear has unfortunately not always been just a matter of what I like and feel comfortable in.
What I hate about jeans is that they warm me up only in the summer and freeze me off only in the winter, so they are never comfortable. It's always too hot or too cold
This was very interesting. I had only a passing familiarity with Kibbe before your videos, but have spent years exploring my style, body type and what I think works best on me. Your final point at the end was so spot on about how if the Kibbe system gets you to try out something you might not have before, and you like it, then that’s a positive. But I hope most people are like your collaborators who all seemed to agree that knowing their Kibbe type wouldn’t keep them from wearing something that they liked and felt good in, just because it didn’t go with the Kibbe profile. As for who we dress for and why, I think it’s difficult to unwrap how we think society will perceive us from our own innate desires. And it’s probably fine for most people to want to look presentable or to fit in to their surroundings. Then the ones who want to really stand out will have something to rebel against or stand out from-and that seems to be the dynamic of fashion. Please do more videos on these explorations of style, fashion and wardrobes. Perhaps something on the capsule wardrobe phenomenon?
I was very confused by the entire hair section of the styling guide. I just didn't understand what they meant by "messy" or "wild" hair, especially because as a black girl with naturally curly hair, I often hear those things about my own hair so it was hard for me to see where a black girl who wanted to wear her natural hair would adhere to this guide.
I felt Tiffany's description of her sense of style so hard! I rarely wear sweats and a sweatshirt outside of my apartment bc I feel like I don't look cute in them, I just look tired/sick.
i think the whole point of it ( even though i dont know his intentions are ) is for when you try something that looked great on your friend and it doesnt look good on you and you start assuming that your body is wrong. this type of body typing kind of reminds you that x and y is the reason why it looks better on her because of certain lines and flesh and blah.
Love this whole conversation, I think it’s so important to discuss how different people vibe with different styles! I’ve never been thin enough to be “conventionally attractive” by American beauty standards, but I’ve gotten into wearing the things I want and curating outfits, and people in my life have been luckily supportive! I like layering, robes and jackets are my favorite wardrobe pieces. I wear a lot of vibrant colors, leggings and hats are frequent focal points in my style. You do NOT have to be at an “ideal weight” to dress in a way that makes you happy! It took me til after college to realize that, and I hope you, my friend, are not letting your body type hold you back from wearing WHATEVER you want!
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"everytime I wear a scarf I look like I'm choking to death" - i'm so glad i'm not the only person struggling to wear a scarf 😂 my grandma actually asked me if i was getting any air 💀
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But I honestly think it stemmed from when leggings just weren't as popular, and weren't very good quality. I remember when I did dance growing up, we laughed about how you could see our underwear when we bent over cos our leggings were so thin, and the only option was plain black. Nowadays, they come in thicker and more durable materials, they have more fun colours and patterns and 'athleisure' has become its own category of fashion, and you can be more confident wearing them without everyone seeing what colour underwear you have on! 😂
@@Tillysnow1 Nah, I remember wearing colorful, thick leggings in junior high (like 2007/08) and was made fun of because people could "see my butt." Bruh. I think kids are just judgmental until they see that everyone's doing the same thing and they're the only ones left out.
They're a great way to live a fit life, need to do chores a mile away, get a quick run in at the same time. I also use them as a layer to warm up in when I go cold water swimming. Jeans are very restricted.
Imagine assuming men don’t put this much effort 💀. If anything, men are shamed for caring about this kind of stuff, so maybe that’s why they don’t as often as women. Society effects men too, even if not as much as women.
@@adriananinoartigas5880 my point wasn't that men don't 'want to look good'. It's that society doesn't teach men that they have to scrutinize every angle of their body and dress to be appealing to women
Low rise pants are the BANE of my existence. I have a small waist, especially for a chubbier girl, and wide hips as well as a semi-big ass, so when all I had was low rise pants, it was like half my ass crack was out constantly and I got made fun of for it ALL THE TIME, saying my parents bought clothes too small for me, I was too fat for clothes, blahblahblah. I still constantly hike my high waisted pants because I still worry about them showing my ass crack all the time, because I spent so long at such a young age, ass cheeks to the wind and bullied to hell because of it.
Girl I HATE MID RISE OR LOW RISE PANTS they suck so much I like to my high waisted jeans with the shirts tucked in and I can't do that with those devil jeans 😭
Giiiiiirl same 😭 I hated middle school enough, but I had to torture myself by only buying low rise jeans!! But now my problem is that my waist is too small for higher rise jeans that fit my hips 🤦♀️
So, in regards to the body positivity portion, I don't generally like it being limited to larger bodies for a few reasons. Smaller bodies (particularly if you are a man) are also marginalized in a way that can also lead to disordered eating and harmful habits. Additionally some bodies can fit the "ideal" size, but still be marginalized due to things such as disability which are not always visible. I do agree that it's a shame that the movement is being high jacked to sell more.
This reminded me of 2014-15 when Demi Lovato said that Taylor Swift's thin and tall body was unnatural when she was just...skinny and it was natural. I mean it's not like it was some "edit" or "surgery" . and in 2019 we got to know that she was starving herself because people said she looked pregnant.
I understand their point though it's the same with the natural hair movement but I think it should be open to everyone I think people need to stop assuming skinny or beautiful people are perfect and have no problems or insecurities because it's not true and their problems are just as valad
@@shreyaadahall I think people fighting for things can be hypocritical "body positivity" while shaming someone's body "feminism" while shaming women for being traditional
@@tionnajohnson8430 yeah.. about feminism tho.. the way people declare any white woman talking about double standard she faces as "White Feminist" is the most hypocritical thing I've seen and I'm not even white. That traditional thing isn't as hypocritical because most of the time *old school* women judge or slutshame modern women so most of the times they're just defending modern women.. sometimes old school women do get hatred just for making a choice which counts as hypocrisy but most of the times it's just defending modern women.
@@shreyaadahall I get what your saying but no they're or at least Haley is hypocritical saying that girls are trying to get attention when feminists always say were not doing it for men women can care about their looks without it being for someone else which i thought is something feminists push and I see judgement on both sides Tbh but I feel like there's hate that goes to the tradionally feminine women or femininity in general that feminism pushes which is why I'm not one
I used to care a lot about this type of stuff (dressing for your body type, haircut for your face shape, etc), but now I feel like I know what looks good on me more than anyone else. Style is a journey of sorts
i really appreciate how you're self concious about the words you use and how you always check for misunderstandings in after-production; language is a very important tool and its correct use is fundamental to express clear concepts. Thank you :)
I feel that some of these limits on who can participate in body positivity completely defeat the purpose of the movement! One can be socially accepted in society while having a turbulent inner perception of one's own body (or be physically ill) , and to say otherwise is an outright lie. Of course I completely agree that the media concentrates upon what they see as marketable, and bigger, coloured, and disabled bodies need to be normalised and seen as beautiful in society. But to say that someone is 'not fat enough to be body positive', is deeply wrong.
The gate-keeping around body positivity just gets me so annoyed. Growing up I've always felt bigger than my friends, I have a bit of a stomach but smaller boobs so I didn't feel like the 'ideal type', and my thighs are a bit bigger (thanks butt!). HOWEVER I'm still white and a *relatively* small size, S/M or 8-10 in Australian sizing. I've never been the skinniest girl and I've always been insecure about how I look, yet I'm not allowed to be body positive? It just seems so negative when taken in that way. I know not all body-positive influencers gate-keep, but those that do really annoy me
I really love this video :) also totally can relate Larisa. Since I'm Korean, I used to think that my facial feature and body shape is somewhat wrong. Used to hate my eyes and wanted to have a plastic surgery. After living in London, I learned that my face is just different. In addition, I thought I was simply too fat to fit in usual korean clothes, while I figured out I just have bigger bottom and simply needed one size bigger :D Also.... I'm generally down to Kibbe body types. I think I'm quite similar to soft classic. No need to strictly wear those styles, but somewhere near body types and styles cannot go horribly wrong. Just, if I wear super feminine or extremely sexy..... it's gonna look a bit off and I know it by experience. I think this system simply offers safer and generally flattering styles. Then ofc, personal preferences and life styles will influence your style as well.... Lastly, pls don't take those suggestions as a MUST :D I generally use this kind of tests just to understand why one person suits this colour/style better than me.
I personally really like the kibbe system. My body changed dramatically as I aged, from extreamly thin to curvy with big hips and I really didn't know what clothes would look good on me and be flattering. I'd buy clothes I'd think would look good but then on me they didn't look good. So the guidance is helpful.
im a natural body type and i have really big ribs bc im transfemme and i also have a barrel chest bc of my asthma, and it’s always been an insecurity of mine. i’ve been getting into more baby tees and tighter fitting stuff to just show it off, and it’s helped, but i pretty much only wear baggy jeans so ig im in like with that lol. im gonna keep wearing my tight crop tops and move on ✨
idk if this is normal but I wear different colors based on the season. (Example: in summer and spring I wear light pinks, light blues and navy. And in fall I wear red, yellow, and orange.
I think Maddie would look amazing in sheer lace. I think there was lace around the top of her tank top in part 1. I think with her personality, which rocks, she could wear a lace daisy print with a high collar and still be sexy, sassy and fun. This was a great video. Thanks ladies for your honesty.
I really felt that ''messy will look TOO messy'' for me, I always see the baggy clothing and messy hairstyle trends going around and every time I tried them they look like I just rolled out of bed lol, I always wondered how this could even be possible seeing as I seemed to be the only one who this happened to and maybe I was just doing it wrong, so it's nice to see other people who also tried to do messy looks and didn't succeed lol
What I think the point of the Kibbe system is is understanding your lines and shapes so that you know how different clothes work with those lines and shapes. From there you can play up whatever style or effect you would like to portray. If you know your lines, you know why a lacy top looks looks extremely sexy on you when it looks normal on your friend (or vice versa) and if that’s the look you want for your outing, you know why one top looks frumpy on you whereas another one looks professional, you know what will look approachable on you and what will make you look like a badass, etc.. Kibbe shows you how to work with your body lines and shape to achieve the effect you want, rather than the clothes being off somehow or not giving the look you want to achieve.
"When you gain weight your body tends to become rounder and quite soft." Can someone explain what the alternative is? Since they're talking about gaining fat and not muscle, I don't understand how someone's body wouldn't become softer with more fat.
Yeah for sure. When I read through the cozy Rebekah quiz it talks about the shape of the fat/weight. If I gain weight it doesnt go on in a rounded way, it's straighter and I "thicken". That was my take away lol, but it does still feel vague af.
Well, as a Kibbe dramatic, fat definitely doesn’t make me look soft. It just makes me look unbalanced because it all pools in the thighs and hips. My shoulders remain boney and angular, even when I was at my heaviest.
I have a friend who when she's at a higher weight she looks blocky more then soft and round. She is rather rectangular and has a lot of striking lines. But no matter what weight she is she doesn't really get boobs or hips. She looks stunning and I love her figure, but I know she gets annoyed that fat women are euphemistically referred to as 'curvy', because she just isn't curvy
I mean I kind of get what they’re trying to say! I’m generally considered “thin” but when I put on weight, it always goes only to my stomach. But since I have long limbs and a short torse, whenever I ut on weight I find a look more boxy and rectangular and broad, instead of round lol
I loooved this series!! one thing I've learned over time is that it's okay to be ugly. like, I know I'm beautiful, but I don't have to be constantly dressing perfect all the time. it's okay to just exist
I might just be buying into this snake oil talk, but can I just say, that the more they were describing their results, the more I was seeing them in the outfits they were wearing ... Especially gorgeous Maddy. Rounded ornate shapes - grape earrings, dainty details - spaghetti straps, small prints and flowy fabrics - the blouse from the first video. I am in the matrix ....
It's based off of basic art stuff. Following lines and finding balance with clothing just like a painter makes balance in their linework and composition to create a beautiful portrait. (I like to draw, so once I understood the idea behind it, it just clicked with me.)
Thank you so much for including the information on Neutrality! As a plus size woman with a chronic pain condition it is so frustrating to be told to constantly love your body when you don’t feel like it loves you in return.
I genuinely think these body typing/styling rule are very helpful, especially when you start learn how to dress yourself. No disrespect to my mother, but whenever she dressed me "nice" as a kid, I hated it. Then when I started buying my own clothes, I bought everything I liked on the rack, but they all look so ugly on me. FINALLY, I start to do research, look up tons of fashion advice videos, blogs, etc, and very slowly learn to find what suits me AND what I like.
If anyone is interested in kibbe or the 12 color seasons, Elle jean is someone who makes videos on it. She also has a theory of her own called style roots which is pretty interesting. And she also talks about how to blend your style roots with your body type
Tea Noir made a very good and insightful video about body positivity. She made a very good point that the movement as it currently stands is still obsessed with beauty (she specifically talked about the "all bodies are beautiful" slogan) and that we need to move on from that.
PART TWO! it's a long one so sit back and enjoy our lil virtual roundtable discussion of the Kibbe body types.
TIME STAMPS BELOW:
0:00 - intro
1:45 - some responses / disclaimers
3:14 - body image
4:04 - body positivity
7:16 - body neutrality
9:10 - Larisa on Japanese beauty standards
11:19 - self love is a never-ending process
12:13 - our typical style
16:26 - emphasizing or hiding body parts
19:00 - "flattering" clothing
19:37 - dressing for yourself vs others
22:11 - Kibbe type consultation results!
24:32 - "Natural" characteristics
25:07 - "Dramatic Classic" characteristics
25:46 - "Soft Classic" characteristics
26:39 - "Soft Gamine" characteristics
26:50 - "Theatrical Romantic" characteristics
27:11 - style recommendations
27:42 - Theatrical Romantic style
28:42 - Soft Gamine style
29:36 - Natural style
30:35 - Soft & Dramatic Classic style
32:33 - hair and makeup recommendations
35:43 - what if recs don't match personality?
39:05 - Haley's final thoughts
41:44 - Ash's final thoughts
43:00 - Larisa's final thoughts
43:49 - Maddie's final thoughts
45:15 - my final thoughts
Thank you!
Pls
Honestly can't see how some ppl would see those videos as anti kibbe or would think that you were speaking negatively abt the kibbe interpretators. literally what, hoow 💀
@@vesainthesewer i think it wasn't anti or pro kibbe, it was just neutral i don't see how what she may have said could be implying otherwisz
I too am a soft classic lol
was anyone else floored when tiffany said she was 5'3"? lmao she has tall people energy
Fr! I've been thinking she's 6ft
I thought she was like 5’6, definitely taller than me and then I find out we’re the same height lol
??? what amazing, we're same height!
I always figured Tiff was at least 5’7
shes still taller than me
"I get dressed because we don't live in a nudist society yet." I've never resonated with a fashion youtuber so much before lol
Hahaha I laugh every time I hear that line! Absolute gold from Ash
Omg this was my fave line, loved Ash's deadpan face when saying it too!!
Sameeeeeee
This really got me too lol. So dumb that society has deemed our bodies' natural state as obscene.
Ya westerners make it seem like yall moving forward in society but u are moving backwards coz people used to be naked way back and started wearing clothes when insects, weather and every other things started harming their body but yeah drop clothes fellow girls...i'm pretty sure sun, rain, insects won't harm you in any way
Critical commentary is not hating.
I’m an editor, my job is to give critical feedback on fiction pieces I work on. It isn’t hating the piece, it is doing my job to make piece the best version of itself that it can be.
Commentary videos like Tiffany’s are 100% the same.
A breakdown of elements NOT hate.
Period.
Exactly!!!!
Critical commentary should be encouraged and Kibbe and his fans should be thankful for it. Society as a whole needs constant feedback to learn how to be better, but, unfortunately, people like being right or belonging to a "rightful" group more than learning and growing. I'm a Kibbe lover and have also been subscribed to this channel for quite some time now, and I loved the first video! All of the criticism was on point and I was happy to see that the problems surrounding inclusivity were talked about. As well as the cult-like aspects of Kibbe 🤡.
Tiffany, thank you for your objectivity and research, keep up the great work!
Yes. People think if you are not 100% agree with something or you are able to discuss flaws or areas of improvement, you hate that thing and no. You can like something and at the same time, be critical about it.
I really love the idea of "body neutrality." As Tiffany mentioned, it's a lot more attainable for those with illnesses or disabilities, and I also appreciate that it places less emphasis on physical appearance. With a body neutrality mindset, I don't *need* to love my body, because body neutrality recognizes that one's self-worth and self-image do not have to be tied to one's outward appearance. I love that body positivity aims to expand society's very narrow definition of beauty; ultimately, though, I think a better way to address widespread body insecurity is to teach society to stop using attractiveness and outward appearance as a measure of one's worth, rather than teaching society to accept more appearances as attractive.
EDIT: I mainly wrote this comment to discuss how body neutrality combats society's obsession with appearances, but I do want to add to the illness/disability aspect: I struggle with illness, and I really resonated with Tiffany's comment about how many people with illness/disability feel betrayed by their bodies. In such cases, how you feel about your body is not just a matter of physical appearance, but of health -- and no matter how much work you put into accepting your appearance, it's really difficult to feel appreciative of your body when, objectively, your body has things wrong with it medically, and those issues have contributed to a lot of misery in your life. That's another reason why body neutrality is a great mindset
Amen to that. Telling someone with chronic pain or an autoimmune disorder or whatever to "love their body" is a little like telling them to love an abusive partner. We can't just leave our bodies for another healthier one unfortunately, but neutrality seems an attainable goal (especially since hating your body sets up a very negative head space which can adversely affect you physically ) It would be so nice if society wasn't so focused on perfection imagery & changing whatever is perceived to be a flaw including any signs of aging or weight gain which happens to everyone. If you aren't perfect (aka young, fit & beautiful) but still ok with yourself & demand respect, somehow that's seen as subversive.
I totally agree. Much love to you
this is exactly what i think! the issue with a lot of the body positivity movement is that the majority of what i see is still showing me beautiful women. the whole issue is that it's still focusing so much about beauty!! so many comments saying that despite someone having x they're still beautiful is not reassuring! the issue is that beauty is completely subjective and not real, i don't want to be "beautiful", i don't want to be analysed by my body at all. if i am "unattractive" then let me unattractive in peace! it shouldn't matter at all, because women are subjected to a crazy amount of obsession with beauty by the beauty industry. and the very beauty industry that creates this is already appropriating the language to seem like they're progressive when they are still making up beauty standards, it's so annoying.
For several years.... I started weighing between my body shape/weight and how high maintenance it is. Decided to stick to my usual weight and eat normally. Now I'm only interested in my food(how healthy it is) and how functional my body is. Instead of looking pretty, I just want to work on my cardio. So that I can stroll hours or run for the public transportation without feeling of my lungs gonna burst, putting my hand luggage in the cabin without getting help and so on. Quite liberating and wish everybody would rather focus on those aspects instead of simple appearance :D
For trans people too!
We love this format of having multiple women being open and honest about their experiences!! Thank you for these videos, Tiffany!!
Thank you! Glad you’ve enjoyed it ❤️
Agreed! They were all so interesting and in different ways
tiffanyferg You should definitely do another series like this one. It was amazing to get others perspectives on things.
@@tiffanyferg ⁰⁰0⁰⁰⁰
@@snowman4492 You should checkout #lifeofadisciple I don't know what's up with this guy, but he has next level stuff on inner spiritual cleansing and walking in the SPIRIT.
It's so funny you'd never use "feminine, sophisticated and elegant" to describe yourself, but as you listed off those descriptors I was thinking, yes, that is very accurate!
Aw that’s sweet! Thank you 💛
Same!
If you just go down through Tiffany's Internet analysis playlist and look at here clothes in the thumbnails, she is totally wearing those soft classic symetrical soft and clean lines! I mean look how feminine she looks in just a graphic tee, and with higher neck and longer bicep-sleeves, which is mostly considered a more ying thing. Just perfect balance
Same!!!!!😂😂😂
same!
I guess some people get too hooked on the part that Kibbe Body Types tell you what you "should wear" when they're actually not. It's more like "oh, if you don't feel well and confident in what you've been wearing so far then maybe take the test and discover some suggestions that MAY better suit your body type".
The ending note by Tiffany, that she'll try some clothes she'd normally wouldn't, is exactly the point of the Kibbe thing. Not to tell people what they should wear, but show what they may try out and maybe like it :)
I also think that way. If you are satisfied with your style and don't want to change it, you don't have to.
I took the test yesterday and discovered that I'm a soft classic. The suggestions I saw on Rebekah's website are mostly things that I already use, and that I know that look good on me. But it took me a long time to figure that out by myself, this results would have been really helpful in my late teens.
@@KarolYuuki exactly! and i also wish i've learnt about this much earlier and not only after i turned 30. but better late than never :)
@@robinarman7300 i found it very useful when shopping in some chains, like zara or other h&m. because their mirrors in the fitting rooms make people look slimmer so we think the clothes look great. and then we go back home and they just don't look so good anymore :/
I look at it as a test of how you'd be cast in a movie and what can enhance that perception of you. Like, I'm really curvy. I'm not going to be cast as someone athletic or childlike. I'm going to be cast in a stereotypically sexy or womanly role.
The sad but true fact is that people do make assumptions based on how people look and this is a middle ground system of both acknowledging societal perceptions while trying to be positive about what those perceptions will be. It's a focus on leaning into a "look" rather than necessarily a shape. You don't have to be thin, but people will view you more positively if you do this.
And while it's lame that society judges and no one should feel pressured to adhere to these standards, it's not the worst thing to have a system like this as a thing for people to try if they're truly unhappy with their wardrobe but don't know what to try. I'd love to encourage everyone to throw off the shackles of the patriarchy and radically accept themselves, but we're going to be constantly sold the idea that we'd be happier if we fit in, so it's not a market that's going away anytime soon.
YES! I had no fashion sense at all before kibbe. I suddenly started looking at clothing more critically and it makes shopping for clothes so much easier because I know right off the bat what's going to flatter me and what doesn't.
Tiffany claiming that she wouldn't describe herself as sophisticated or elegant had me shook for a second. That was literally my first impression of you. It's why I couldn't stop watching your videos. I was like wow she looks so put together and elegant in a casual effortless way.
i dont see her that way as well tbh but she’s just casually well informed about the topics she talks about and i love that
fr samee
Tiffany you have tall girl energy! I would never have guessed you were 5’3. I would have thought you were around 5’9 at least
I understand that a lot of people do have their own established style, but I disagree with Maddie saying “you know what your style is” because I really don’t. I think this is a great thing for people like me who don’t have a specific style and don’t really know what direction to go in to make myself feel good about what I’m wearing
Many people don't know their style, guidelines are very helpful in finding one's style
Totally agree! Finding the right stuff to wear feels like poking in the dark and totally random up until this point. It gives you the power to make more informed decisions.
Body positivity does not equate to “all bodies are beautiful”. It’s more all bodies are valid. No matter what you appear as, your body is valid and worth fighting for. And this is not just your weight, this includes hair, facial features, and height
There's been so much Gatekeeping with that community that I don't even know whats the message anymore. 😩
memorizedvisions Completely agree. It seems like the community has turned into one focussed on gatekeeping, with body justice issues only loosely attached. It’s exhausting and feels like it’s just about creating more division rather than unity.
@@memorizedvisions Maybe you should listen when the original organizers tell you what it means?
whats the problem with all bodies being beautiful? if you don't feel like it - body neutrality is pretty dope. body neutrality kind of detaches body from moral value, cultural context and all the shenanigans, like, in the end of the day, body is body, and the rest is noise. but like. why is it important enough that not all bodies are beautiful for you to comment this. i feel like we are. I feel like this idea is helpful. i feel like it's permission to love any body regardless. like beauty is subjective, social truths are debatable, so why not "everybody is beautiful, case closed, learn to talk in terms of presentation and attraction, or smth else that is clearly subjective and does not assign people ["objectively"] beautiful or not"
“By the way, we love the post office” literally crying right now 😂
Imao I was just about to comment the same thing 🤣❤️
That was my favorite part lol
I guess most find Kibbe system limiting but my personal experience is that it actually liberated me from what others say I should and should not wear... I'm a gamine wc means I definitely can wear baggy clothes and button my collar up and wear cutesy style unlike most people around me kept telling me baggy clothes will make me look short and I should focus on making myself look tall and "look my age" in all clothing decisions I do.......... I don't care who tf made it but Kibbe system opened up a new world to me. I'm just lucky that it justified the style I wanted to wear ever since.
Same, As a romantic I always felt like I was deformed, or not fully grown, and didn't understand why I looked SO different. This system helped me realize I was still valid, just different.
Same!
@@Ojo10 i'm gamine and that's how i used to feel. i could see i was slim but most clothes was just making me look like i was 15kg bigger. now i know that i just had NO idea what kind of clothes were good for my body type. changed my wordrobe and now it takes me 5min to dress up in the morning and each time i feel good.
Same!!!!
For some reason many gamines I've met hate the term but I actually like it, like you I felt like the Kibbe System helped me understand and love myself better! Before I always wanted to have the body types many influencers have but now the only body I ever want to have is my own.
I really love that you added in the bit about the body positivity movement having roots within the fat acceptance movement created by and for fat black women. I think so often, the body positivity movement gets sort of rewritten as a self love movement and overtaken by more acceptable looking bodies in the name of self confidence (which is also important, not to disregard that at all). It's important to remember that body privilege and thin privilege exists on a spectrum and of course, is completely intersectional. For example, I know that as a size 16 woman, in many people's eyes, I am "the acceptable plus size body". I'm also short and I feel like that also benefits me in some way because it allows me to experience smallness on some level. Not to mention how the other privileges I have impact my experience in my body as well, I'm white, I'm able-bodied, all of these things connect- we all benefit from thin privilege in some capacity and I think it's important to remember that although we're all on our own body image journeys and we can all struggle in that regardless of size- the body positivity movement was made by and for some of the most marginalized bodies in our communities and it's super, super important that we continue to center those bodies in conversations of body positivity. I think all bodies can benefit from a lot of the work the body positivity community has already done and again, it all exists on a spectrum. My experience is one experience, a size 24 would have a much different experience than I- and I think it's just important to make sure that we're keeping the most room at the table for the people that this movement was intended to create space for. ANYWAYS, all of that to say- this was another incredible video Tiffany and I seriously could not be more stoked to be apart of it. I feel like I have so many reflections on all of this, especially because I know my passion for topics like these can make me come off resistant to like it at all hahahhaaha at the end of it all, I think it's expected that we'll all have completely different experiences and opinions and it's okay that this system will be very beneficial to some and not to others. This whole series has made me think so much and I really dug the entire process. At the end of it all, we're all just trying to feel good/content in our bodies and whatever helps us get there- we should do that. Thanks again :)
Yessss such good points! I could’ve spent another 10 mins discussing body positivity and not even scrape the surface, but maybe I’ll cover it more substantially in another video sometime. I love that point, “save the most room at the table for the people the movement was intended to make space for”! We should def facetime or something and have a chat about all of this bc there’s still so much more to be explored! Thank you so much for everything you’ve shared in this series 💞💞
Yes! I was so so happy to see that mentioned. I loved seeing you in the video Maddie you were great
Hey Maddie! I'm just stopping by to say I think you are absolutely gorgeous and your make-up is on point! I was glued to the screen whenever you were on 😍
Hey Maddie :) how do you feel about the system after some time? Did you try out some of the recommended stuff for romantics? I saw you in the Video ranting about how you could not see yourself with delicate flower prints, ruffles etc but i could rly picture how you would look absolutly faboulus in that type of cloth. You are so pretty!
@@AnHeC op’s comment made me cackle
I think that the most important thing is remembering that sizes in clothing stores mean nothing, and no clothes really fit people perfectly right off the rack. A tiny bit of tailoring (pull the waist in, hem, adding a gusset to a sleeve) can make clothes fit much better and boost your confidence. Actually since I got into historybounding I have felt much better in my clothes because you really start to notice how in trying to fit everyone modern clothes don't truly fit anyone, and you can get tips on how to make those small changes. Also I learned how to make the arm holes so when you lift your arms the whole shirt doesn't lift to show off your stomach which was a game changer. I'm classified as a theatrical romantic and I do see how the basic silhouette does look better on me, but I don't like wearing too much detailed work because I fell like it overpowers me a bit. Though I'd rather go with styles in the cottage witch/dark academia aesthetic for inspiration.
@Reshape Style I don't think most people realize how much a little tailoring can change a garment. Even an addition of a simple dart can make all the difference and it's well worth the money to get garments tailored. I happened to have taken the diy route (only because I like making things as a hobby) and my clothes are so much more flattering with a little bit of work.
totally agreed. as a proof, I originally ordered a skirt in size 8 in US, turned out too tight and my tummy seems too prominent. got size 10 today and simply looks so beautiful. As a background info, I usually wear size 6 lol nobody's gonna take a look at your size tag. Wear what you feel comfortable and fits you better.
Also! I'd like to add that there's no regulations in the fashion industry about sizing- there's a "standard size" for each number size but brands aren't upheld to them. So it's definitely not something worth feeling bad about :)
What is cottage witch? Sounds fun. Do you have any instas that follow this style?
@@Belihoney Cottage witch is like slightly darker cottagecore. So lots of nature, herbs, earth tones mixed with bright colours (like flowers poking out of dirt in the garden), cozy, warm, creative, simple, and calming. I like wild_inthe_woods, cottagewitchaestheic, ilsemariie, and kleinod.endeavours but there's also a cottage witch aesthetic hashtag that always has some new inspiration.
I’m really thankful to be part of this discussion and I’m so happy I get to share my perspective based on my cultural experiences! Reading through positive experience and constructive criticism about kibee system really taught me so much! I personally think at the end of the day, do whatever works for you and like I said, if you want to wear a sparkly clothes then wear it! Because no one has a right to stop you from wearing or doing whatever makes you happy and bring you joy (unless you’re not hurting anyone)💖 I feel like I always learn so much from Tiffany’s video than when I was in school tbh haha
Thank you Larisa! ❤️❤️ it’s been a joy to work with you on these vids 💘
You were my favorite Larisa
madison j Aw thank you 🥺💖
I thought your style was so pretty and really felt like “you” obviously idk u 😂 but you seem like you’d be how you dress and I think that’s cool :)
Mauve hahaha thank you!! 😂💖
As a designer, aesthetics and balance are important to me, but I can understand the importance of wanting to feel comfortable with one's self when dressing; however, I disagree with the notion of something "flattering" being societal or simply not a thing at all. I think it can be subjective sometimes, but mostly when you look at lines and shapes, they create an image that can either look pleasing to the eye or the opposite of that, so I can understand systems like these for people that want to look as aesthetically pleasing according to their shapes and lines. Sorry if this is too controversial lol
@Reshape Style Or people just don't dress with aesthetics in mind. I dress with comfort and utility in mind. I like clothes with lots of pockets, that allow free movement and keep me warm in winter or cool in summer. Fabrics should be easy to clean, and not show stains as much (so no super light clothing) and not be too flashy or bright. It's not that I don't know how to style myself necessarily, it's that I'm not interested in style. "Comfortable" is my style, and lines and shapes don't factor into it. I'm not trying to hide or lie about anything.
@Reshape Style Of course it's possible but often it takes more time and effort than someone is willing to put into it? My thought process is similar to @ShirSi's. I occasionally alter my "comfortable" clothing to flatter me, but most times I don't. I think some of us are just tired of the fact that there is this pressure to wear things that flatter our lines and curves. Honestly I just don't enjoy thinking about clothing and would literally just exist in loose clothing if societal judgement wasn't a thing (quarantine has proved this lol)
I agree there are just things that look right and things that just don't ---- for example I wear glasses, I had rectangular ones and I have an oval face I hated them they look horrible now I have oval/circle ones and they are perfect and fit me ever going back 😌
@Reshape Style your so right you can be elegant or cute and comfy I do it
@@roro19966 pleasing to the eye can mean it just fits you or looks great on you has nothing to do with society
Great hearing everyone's thoughts!! Definitely agree that wearing whatever you want/like is the bigger message.
Also I'm 5'2 and it's weird finding out I'm only an inch shorter than Tiffany. I always got "tall vibes" from you haha
Maybe it’s my misleadingly long torso!! 🤔 hahaha I didn’t realize you’re that short either! (Even tho we’re probably close to average height tbh)
Omg really?? You definitely give off tall people energy too!
I resonated with your perspective so much throughout these videos!
@@tiffanyferg in Kibbe that’s called a vertical line(I think) lmao
I’m a fashion student and I like Kibbe because it isn’t trend based, but I ignore all the color and print recommendations. I think the “lines”, the shape of the clothes, is the part that’s helpful. It’s also important to keep in mind that we don’t fit exactly in any of the types.
I don't like the implication that women who want to wear what flatters them are doing it to attract men
When Hayley was saying that I was like: but it doesn't need to be to appeal to men!
Flattering can mean to accentuate the things you like the most about your body. You don't even need to see anyone, you can feel good about yourself alone in your house.
Right 😒
@@KarolYuuki Exactly I hate how some feminists are like this (which ik she is) 😣
Thank you! I'm a woman and I found her comment about "hating it was created by a man" to be incredibly sexist. Like, really??
@@oliviajohnson7305 Same! It really annoyed me
I've never considered Kibbe to be a system designed to cater to the ale gaze before. It's a new perspective but I don't know if I agree. I feel like it's not about making you look sexier or more attractive for men but about being able to follow basic design principles to develop a sense of style that feels cohesive and aesthetically pleasing. It allows you to look at your body in a non-judgemental way and accepts it as it is then suggests ways to lean into the aspects that makes up your structure. It's not about hiding flaws or making your feel bad about yourself but finding clothes that match your lines. My favourite thing about it is that every body type is described so neutrally that you don't walk away feeling like you got stuck with the 'ugly' type or that one is better than the other. It was so helpful for someone like me with disordered eating habits and poor body image issues. I mean it was wild for me, overweight as I am, to be classed with Marilyn Monroe and realise why I like what I like and hear the design theory behind it. I just matched the tips to my taste and tweaked it for the times.
@Reshape Style it did come off that way honestly. I can see the two ladies who were doing that the most were coming from a good place and seeing things from a place of feminism, empowerment and body acceptance. Those are great ideals to hold and a good lense to see the world if done those are your beliefs. It can do a lot of good for their viewers if it's coming from a genuine, untainted place. On the other hand, as someone who shares those beliefs, it almost felt like they were trying too hard to put on a face that they're not used to yet. You can almost see them masking trauma (past bullying, body issues, etc) with trying to be a strong, empowered woman. You can still see that it's being tainted by the chip on their shoulders as if they are still healing from the scorn of society and are doubling down on these ideas that make them feel strong. I'm not faulting them for it ofc. I've been that person too. It's easy when others tear you down enough to try to grab hold of strength in one way or another. I feel for them and there is a lot of healing still to go and I hope they get there. They seem like lovely ladies and they deserve to feel genuine comfort in their bodies. Being a feminist is about equality and doesn't mean demonizing men and their contributions to society as inherently evil. It was as if the short haired lady gained an immediate bias the second she heard Kibbe was a man. Men, particularly those in the LGBT community, have been known to be prominent in fashion, art and design. He's not out to get you or sexualise you by showing you what looks good for you. That's how style works. There are rules of design and colour that you follow for a pleasing finish even as you strategically break those rules for individuality. You can tell that there's a chip on their shoulders that they're trying to mask and I know because I've seen it. I've been that person to deflect and pretend that I'm above things to mask feeling vulnerable. It's all apparent in their perspective. Thinking that the word "flattering" means you have to look good for the world and so it's worth fighting down is overthinking it. Wearing flattering clothes does not make people shallow or seeking society's approval. It's putting things together to look beautiful for you so that you can look in the mirror and feel confident, put together and love the way that you look. People like things that look nice and we are no exception. So trying to fight down wearing flattering things to stick it to society doesn't help you of you look in the mirror and also don't like what you see. It just makes you self conscious and walk around assuming people see the worst in you and it's because they're shallow and whatever else you want to project due to insecurities you made in yourself. Their idea of looking put together just erases the idea that you can look good for you. Or that first impressions do matter in the real world.
Women always have to be doing something for men 😩😒
@@ZariDV so true I thought the same with the feminism part it deeply annoyed me 😖
@@ZariDV Yes exactly! I felt more close to Tanya's story. As black women, we don't have the skin, features, and hair luxury of being seen as flattering or as the "default" when it comes to beauty, sometimes not even in our native countries (IE: skin lightening in Africa and the Caribbean is still a problem). So, finding a system that makes us feel beautiful and gives us clothing advice that doesn't come from a white, thin, slim featured, and straight hair place is great! Not to mention those of us who have tried the "Wear what you like" approach for years and disliked the results.
Adjusting Kibbe to suit more of our ethnic features means visualizing ourselves relative to people of our own ethnicity. It has been and is being done. I'm a SG, and I could figure out a hairstyle I had that suited me. I went back and forth between types because of my curvy-ness, but I noticed that short and tousled hair (in a twist-out then to currently in small locs) suits me-- and that's not a hair look that only one ethnicity can achieve :)
PS: for any black women seeing this, the channel Authentic by Franni has some Kibbe natural hair recommendations.
Willow Dream Magick Yes!! Frani is so sweet :)
Please don't kill me I'm being very objective in this comment: so I'm a designer a graphic designer and one thing that has helped me to understand why things are beautiful is the theory of balance and complement so basically we think aesthetically pleasing things are beautiful right? Why is that? Well is because aesthetic things have a perfect balance in every aspect, shapes, colors and so on. So my point is: you can dress however you want ok BUT if something is not that complementary to your body then is NOT going to be flattering based of balance an geometric shapes, is simple, so there IS such a thing as flattering things and non flattering things and we should think about it in this way and not a social rule so we can accept more our bodies
Yes! if you want to dress for aesthetics, line and balance are key and will let your body shine best, so understanding that will help you. However there are lot's of other things you can prioritize in how you dress like trends, comfort, experimental fashion (not trying to be beautiful.)
I was about to comment something similar, ty for this eloquent post that I couldn't quite put into words myself. Also, people tend to forget that our brains and perception of things are wired a certain way, which is why in clothing styles ( and also interior design, any sort of design tbh ) things will only look right or 'feel' right if our brain considers it balanced or correct. This is why color theory is an actual valid tool to have when styling or designing anything, and why these theories like Kibbe offer a lot of support when people feel lost. Some people have an eye for art, great design, or have very clear insight in what style suits them, but the majority of people just don't know or have never learned what to look for exactly.
This comment summarizes what I think about flattering and not flattering, pretty well. I think the biggest advantage that Kibbe offers is helping people to understand the lines, or why certain things are flattering or not without offending the user in any way. It's a great tool for people with body dysmorphia [my case] and who struggle with cruel standards concerning weight, body measurements, bone structure etc. I'm Soft Dramatic and my ''lines'' are not very mainstream like the baddie, the ultra thin runway model, etc so it was really good, finding Kibbe.
I'm a designer, former artist, studied art...etc. For me, these systems like Kibbe or seasons is a framework for most people who didn't have that sort education to learn about aesthetics, color theory, silhouette, balance and harmony, etc. It took me a while to start to dress in a way that I liked and flattered me more, even with my background, but I never found the need to use these systems because I had a better foundation of visual design.
Yes!!!
Honestly my personal bottom line about is fashion is that YOU, THE OWNER OF YOUR BODY, create whatever ideal silhouette you want.
Sadly it takes being very objective and straightforward attitude to the self to even acknowledge the silhouette.
i love kibby's theory as it embraces a persons natural features and accentuates them rather than trying to go against them and "balance" them out. It also shows how body shape doesn't matter as much as it's just mass distribution, while body types are mainly based on your bone structure, which is the biggest factor in how clothes lie on you. I am a soft dramatic and at first I was mistyping myself, but when I found my body type it all just made sense. Trust me it works and you can always add a little more fun patterns etc to a soft classic style.I would recommend alyart and merriamstyle as she actually made an even better developed theory based on it and also a color theory, which is the only 100% accurate one I found till now
It confuses me so much. I am a soft classic according the test but it doesn't feel right? I did it multiple times and even made my BF and friend do it but they also got soft classic for me :d
Edit: I really wanna know though but I am to scared to go on reddit and ask people there lol
I would not recommend merriumstyle, she often gives contradicting recommendations and typings lol I love Aly art tho especially her makeup and hair videos
I think I'm 2 body types. I don't feel like I fit just one. I'm kind of confused as well.
@@honeydew75 I love aly too, especially the videos focusing on hair, dresses etc, but merriam to me would be great at actual consultations. It's her job to do this and from her videos and her simplified system it seems she is pretty great at it. She looks at how all the features play together and doesn't overfocus on one, which so many people do, when typing so they type incorrectly. Also, we cannot forget that everybody is an individual and doesn't have the same amount of yin or yang, even within the same type, which can also affect your style
@@mignonhagemeijer3726 I feel like people on reddit type incorrectly a LOT of the time. The best way is to actually try on all different styles for each type to see which looks the best on you. When it comes to classics, they seem so balanced and harmonius in their face and body the more somebody looks at them. With other types I notice little imperfections and asymmetry right away and the softness or definiton of certain features, but with you guys I just see harmony, even if there is any asymmetry, it just isn't as noticable as all features play into this harmony. I know it can be hard, especially when typing yourself, but you can do it with a little practice!
I cannot tell you how much I appreciate this video. I love that you are a wellspoken and intelligent woman who isn't "above" talking about style and body image. Growing up I always felt like my interest in fashion wasn't as valid as my interest in more academic topics. You are showing people that it's perfectly okay to be interested in both.
I appreciated everyones perspective so much, this was a geat collab.
This is so sweet, thank you! 💛💛
Okay so I just now looked into what a Dramatic is "supposed to wear" and it turns out that I, as a Dramatic, have the EXACT style they recommend for my type. Masculine and angular, stiff fabrics with lots of structure with neutral colors, etc.
Not saying that makes this system 100% accurate for everyone but I do believe that, to an extent, David was onto something. I subconsciously started to dress for my body type and David and I have the same ideas about that apparently 🤷🏼♀️
Very interesting video by the way, very well done!
Same happened to me when I finally realized I'm a soft gamine! But the system is more for people that don't already know their style and don't feel good in the proportions they are already wearing
i feel like even in the video it kinda turned out as if everybody was already dressing the way that fits them according to the system, i havent seen the whole video yet but that is how it feels at this moment
Yes! In the years of playing around with style in middle school and high school, I’ve always been drawn to higher necklines, crop tops, halter tops, exposed ankles and wrists, colorblocking, miniskirts and shorts, emphasizing my waist... surprise surprise I’m a gamine.
@@nathaliepetrova2029 same!
Thank you for talking about body neutrality. I've not heard it called that and really identify with it. I live with chronic pain and vision loss, so loving my body wholeheartedly isn't always possible. I love your videos - thank you!
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As someone who grew up as the only black girl everywhere I really thought I was really ugly bc people looked at me different and avoided me and I didn't look like the other girls. The internet really helped with realizing that I'm actually really pretty and that I kinda hit the genetic Jackpot.
But although the internet helped with accepting my body, it really more unsecured about the way I dress than before. My family is really strictly christian if that makes sense and the woman only wear skirts and dresses that cover up EVERYTHING and when I was in elementary school I didn't really understand why I was wearing skirts all the time and got made fun of it but when I got older I understood (I'm kinda against it but that's another story) and I noticed how "my style" was ugly in the eyes of everyone except my church. I tried to change my style several times I took so many quizzes ( even the kibbe one) but that made me more insecure until I just stoped.
Because enough is enough and since then I just the I feel like dressing I don't really have a style which is kinda weird, like I go full punk one day and floral dress the other bc I feel like it!
I learned that WEAR WHATEVER YOU WANT don't care about others, if you want to dress like a potato 🥔 do that, if you want to dress like a goddess do that!!!
OR A POTATO GODDESS ✨ I freaking love that you’re just VIBING and wearing whatever you want now!! 💖
I feel like this could be really helpful for people dont have a sense of style? Obviously anyone can wear whatever they want but I feel like all these style tips could be good as a jumping off point for people who aren’t sure what they want their style to be.
Not really if you completely hate your type. I can't wear peacefully anything bc now I know everything I ever tried looks bad on me
Personally, I used the kibbe system as a first step in trying to find my style and developed what I liked from there.
It was always weird to me how I couldn't pull off oversized sweatshirts like my sister or why I looked boring when wearing monochromatic stuff and realizing that it's just how my body is configured helped my confidence a lot. In that aspect, I do appreciate this whole thing that kibbe's put together, but I do totally agree that it shouldn't be something you should blindly follow because he also missed the mark on the whole essence thing (in my opinion).
I wish the touch on that. I feel like the Kibbe system attracts people who want to find their style and a little lost in that direction
to be honest I found about this system from the first video Tiffany made about it and my first reaction was WAIT THIS IS WHY I GRAVITATE TOWARDS THESE TYPES OF FABRIC/DESIGN. And also this is why this shirt looks good on my sister but not on me despite the fact that we're the same weight. It was, honestly, a very liberating experience
Same. It was more of an explanation and a why I dress than a how to dress
When you said you can’t do casual because you look “too messy” I felt that. I’m extra because I can’t pull off the messy look!
same, I end up looking and feeling like a bum. I’ve always envied/admired those who could pull it off because they don’t have to put as much effort in to look decent
I sort of have the opposite problem: I would like to dress up more, but I tend to look overdressed super quickly.
Whenever I try to do something a little fancy or cute, it somehow ends up way too extra 😅
Me too! I admire people who can dress very casual and messy, but on me I feel like I just woke up.
@@katrijndekeersmaecker1904 same 😖
I just look bad in everything
PS: for any black women seeing this, the channel Authentic by Franni has some natural hair Kibbe recommendations. :)
haley: mentions the fact that she's a lesbian and has a wife
me: absolutely SMASHES the subscribe button
ME: 🥰✨❤️😭💖💖💖
Idk it's kinda weird that you only like a person by those characteristics instead of her character
B Q those two things aren’t mutually exclusive 💕
Elena Comhaire 100% understand the feeling of getting excited about lgbtq rep 💕 it’s a huge reason I want to be a content creator bc I had none growing up. It made my heart warm. 😊
- haley richardson thanks for this reply 🥰 i also (obviously) thought you were rly funny and made some great points in the vid. the wlw rep basically turned a mere clicking of the subscribe button into a strong smacking, if you will 😌
Body neutrality sounds like a much more accepting movement to me. its really hard for me to love my body sometimes. not because of the way it looks, I love the way it looks - unique features and all. but the way it doesn't perform. the way it betrays me.
learning to accept it for what it is instead of being constantly frustrated with my inability to do things I really wish I could do, while improving what I CAN work on - when I can.. seems like much MUCH healthier outlook to me than what I've been seeing from fat acceptance movement. personaly . because it feels like fat acceptance is about resisting any change, you should love and adore your body and if you god forbid want to make any changes - that's self hatred. at least that is the message I'm getting.
so body neutrality. that's the stuff.
mee too !!! I feel like it's a more realistic way of thinking... Accepting my body is easier than loving my body.
First of all, your USPS shirt is getting the hype is deserves !! ✨ second, I loved hearing everyone’s thoughts!! When Maddie said, “I just don’t carry the belief system that there are right or wrong things to wear based on what your body looks like” I was like YES!!!!! There’s so much more to choosing what I wear than how my body looks.
We love the USPS!! 💞💞 and same, I’ve loved this series and hearing all of your thoughts so much! So much wisdom in all these differing perspectives
tiffanyferg hi if you don’t mind me asking where did you get your shirt? I was only able to find an earth day shirt on the USPS website
Can I say that you have gorgeous eyes without it being weird that I just complemented a total stranger on the internet.
It is so nice to hear people talk about inclusivity with in the body positive movement. Als a small, skinny girl I have always felt so quilty for disliking a body that many work years of their whole lives to acquire. I don't like being thin, I represents my unhealthy mental health. But I feel like I can't say that to other girls/women that struggle on the other side of the spectrum.
Body positivity is not linked to size. Even tho it sometimes seems so.
Marginalised body should be represented. But I would like to see a broader narrative of all sizes being celebrated and loved. Every BODY is beautiful, but maybe more importantly (for me). It is a BODY that is just there. Not for anybody else' approval or enjoyment.
I like body neutral. Seeing it as a part of the self and all the wonderful things it DOES not how it LOOKS. ❤
I think this should be the attitude of the movement.
I struggle with body dysmorphia and an eating disorder and hearing that I am excluded from the movement because of my weight and skin tone was hard to hear.
Honestly skinny shaming seems to be kinda more acceptable in this society more than fat shaming. I have heard so many people call skinny people skeletons, anorexic, bones etc. And many of my skinny friends hate their bodies because they don't have curves. So it makes me absolutely mad that people are saying that these people can not join to the body positivity community just because they are skinny!
I see you, all my life I've been really skinny, I'm from Brazil, where the "standart" of beauty is conected to my nationality. Like "all brazillian women are curvy and have big butts/boobs (which is not true but stereotypes...)". I hate seeing my rib bones when I look in the mirror, I've tried eating more, exercicing, taking vitamins, protein shakes.... I know that my problems seem like "white people problems", that some people "wish" they had my body, but this problems are real to me. It is not a healthy body, for my age I should wheight 8/9 kg more, this have caused me self image problems from a young age, listening to relatives calling me a stick, telling me that I only needed to eat more, then when I ate more they would say that I was "magra de ruim" (something like "thin of bad", but it doesnt really translate) meaning that no matter what I eat I would never gain weight. They said things like "You will like this in the future, after you have kids." Anyway just letting it out....
Slim people are a minority in the US so it's not surprising people are going well pick people they outnumber. It's sad.
As someone who is a size 12 US, that upset me as well. Skinny people ABSOLUTELY get flack for being called “unhealthy,” “children,” “boys,” and lots of other names. I’m not technically
Plus size and I get hateful looks whenever I go into a plus size store. Gatekeeping a community where everyone is supposed to feel okay with who they are defeats the whole people.
off-topic but we stan the express mail shirt
Thank you sooo much for mentioning chronic illnesses in body positivity! If I have to hear one more abled woman say “I love my body because it does so much for me” I will scream
I also have chronic/lifelong health problems, and I definitely feel you about not being able to relate to the "my body does so much for me" mindset -- I feel like my body kinda dropped the ball in terms of health, lol. That being said, I think everyone deserves to feel comfortable or neutral about their body. I'm glad that some people can use this philosophy to feel better, even if it doesn't resonate with me personally.
"We don't live in a nudist society *yet*"
We love an optimistic queen
The high waisted pants trend was a blessing from God 😂 in middle school I was teased so much for wearing my pants too high, I wouldn’t wear pants unless they went over the lower part of my stomach because I gather weight in my lower stomach area, and even though I’m very tall my torso is slightly long and I have a hip dip even though I have thick thighs and hips.
Great video as always Tiffany, but one small criticism: I wish that, while talking about each participants body types, full body photos had been included (if you did near the end of the video my bad I’m not all the way through it yet). It was a bit difficult to understand each person’s experience and what the body types meant without seeing what any of your bodies look like.
The thumbnail has pictures of their body types, which helped me contextualize the video. I agree that having them in the video would've been easier for me too tho!
I was introduced to Kibbe as part of a movie costume design course. The instructor presented it with the idea that you could play with the Kibbe type of the actor and the "stereotypical" representation of your character to help the audience to identify the personality of the character. I think it's a nice tool for that kind of work.
i love how much effort she puts into her research, i learn more from tiffany than from at school lol
Tiffany! My fellow SOFT CLASSIC, here's what I have to say: SAME, SAME, SAME, SAME! Your experiences and conclusions about styling are exactly the same as mine! The easily too messy hair, the high waisted jeans, the tucked t-shirt, not liking the stereotypical recommendations, etc, etc... SAME, SAME, SAME! Oh! And Elyssa is Bible for me as a non traditional Soft Classic! And as for the body typing systems, here's why I like them: They teach how to wear stuff that complements you, not stuff that fights you. When you walk down the street, do you want people to notice you, or your clothes? I say me. But some clothing can scream super loud, and that is the stuff that style systems teach! When I'm trying to dress better, it's not for other people, it's for me! I want my outside to reflect my inside, I want to be coherent, and it's irrelevant if that coherence goes with or against society. Of course, society has it's weight, but it's seed is, for example, biology. Are we supposed to fight against biology? We cannot live separate from society. We could go further with this society thing: why even wear clothing? Maybe I'm just rambling now... Anyways, there's something called Gestalt that, in design, is about our capacity to perceive visual relations, despite our culture... Like, how we perceive things of the same color or close together as a group... Or even the golden ratio that is found all over nature... I say this to point out that harmony and beauty is not just something we invented, it's something real, that humans and even other animals are wired to feel attracted to... Why fight our nature?
My God this comment is everything!
So true I might just be a soft classic I love tucked in tees and high waisted pants I hate loose clothes unless it's pants
i find it weird that people are offended that you gave your opinion on the system.. especially the collaborators who had zero opinions about the system prior to making this video... if anything this should welcome a discussion as to why these systems may either be positive or negative for some people
I think when it came to styles I liked the ideas of a basic silhouette recommendations, but the pattern and color recommendations seemed to be a bit of a stretch.
Kibbe styles: *suggests patterns and colors*
Me, who only wears black: cool cool can't wait to never follow that suggestion ever
@@LunaWitcher On the quiz I took for romantic they suggested pale florals and flowing fabrics...but the first picture example is Marilyn Monroe in a highly structured black dress.
I suspect the pattern and colour side of it is based less on a person's silhouette, and more on the essence and vibe that is paired with each Kibbe type. It's absurd to think that everyone who fits into that body type would have that essence and vibe so that's why people ignore that side of the system if it doesn't match them. I think the idea is that people with a certain look to them (eg a very soft and rounded face and body with shorter arms and legs, few angles) may give off an inherently soft essence to them since the lack physical sharpness. So then you would give them softer, flowy, lightly coloured things to lean into that vibe. That would make sense in a typing system based on Yin and Yang and everything in between. But it's just a guideline so that same person could totally go for more angular, structured items and bold colours. It's totally up to taste. What sold me on using Kibbe as a guide was seeing people who dressed opposite to their type vs when they did dress to type. They may have liked what they wore and that's always awesome but they really did look out of place in their outfits. It was hard to place why, but you could see that something looked off and not as put together or like their clothes were overpowering their natural attractiveness so it looked less like someone looking beautiful in a lovely outfit and more like someone in a beautiful outfit and that makes them look lovely (more attention to the outfit first than the wearer). Kind of the difference between them wearing the outfit and the outfit wearing them.
@Reshape Style Oh, I don't! I pride myself in having a good sense of style, and looking at the basic silhouettes I agree - defined waists, some softer contours around the neck, etc. are all elements I've incorporated into my look because I've found them to be complementary to my shape. I just wanted to point out that these extra elements of fabric, color, etc are unnecessarily confusing to people who are trying to figure out a style that suits them. I know that a fit-and-flare dress style looks fantastic on me, but pale floral prints are a no-go. If I was new to styling and had followed the recommendations and tried a fit-and-flare dress on that was in a pale blue floral print, I would have been so confused as to why I looked awful.
And in relation to the questions it makes no sense lol. How does the shape of my hands affect if I can wear floral prints?
What surprised me the most about this was the extent to which looking good, for so many people, is about comparing yourself to others. Personally, I discovered Kibbe whilst trying to really hone in on my style, which was more a process of comparing myself to myself (how I look and feel in one thing vs. another thing.) In that context, it’s a good tool for finding what should work for you, though some of the specifics being hit are miss is unsurprising, considering what was considered flattering in the 80s that types aren’t identical, and people have different styles Specifically, when I hear you say you don’t identify with being elegant and sophisticated, after going on a tangent how things that were messy and baggy (which kind of opposes that) just didn’t seem to work for you makes me think the system may have managed to hit on some impressively wide commonalities, considering it’s time and the fact it was created by a man. I also think it’s continued popularity makes sense; when you have a system that seems fairly consistent, that hasn’t really been updated, and consider the myriad of ways that people perceive different styles, you’ve got a good place for discourse. (Also, ngl, you said classic and I was like ah, yes… the classic jeans and t-shirt.)
Also, I found Haley’s take on the whole thing pretty intriguing mainly cuz I’m also a fairly easily typed soft gamine (rocking the same haircut smh) and she came at it so differently. Clothes are something I enjoy, and using an already created system to understand what’s considered conventionally pleasing as a point from which to better understand what I liked and why, and pare down, was helpful, even though I’m also not about dressing for the male gaze (and I tend to just completely ignore makeup.)
I found body neutrality movement as a whole enlightening, since positivity always seemed like I’d need to pay way more attention that I ever did or intended to.
Anyways, I’ve really been into content about the whys of clothing overall, so I really enjoyed this one.
personally after seeing your videos and trying the test, i think it’s rlly cool that the kibbe types lean into your natural shape instead of trying to turn everyone into a singular “ideal” body type
I love kibbe system for the same reason ash mentioned - it is not trying to correct you but to work with what you have And enhance that. Also i dont think it is inherently evil that a man thought of it. You dont have to want to dress to look your best but if you do, i dont see anything evil about a man having a thought And expressing it, David kibbe is a stylist, he also follows these suggestions for himself. There are people who want to look good for others And there are people who want to look good for themselves, because it gives them joy or happiness. Obsessive need to look good for others isnt really healthy tho. I dress the way i do because i feel good in things i think flatter me. I would dress the same even if there were no other people.
Period 😌👏👏👏
Some of the best designers in the world are men, I don’t think men’s opinions are inherently sexist. I don’t know, I have a huge bust and wearing them to help look more in proportion with my body makes ME feel confident. 😖
Finding my Kibbe type changed my life. Previously, I had followed all of the conventional advice, and it made me look... simple. Like everybody else. I learned my lines and simple tricks and tips to emphasize my features instead of hiding them. Afterward, I got many more compliments and, more importantly, I feel like I always look good.
I think this system is only for people who want help or are unhappy with their current look. If you don't care... then you don't have to! But it's a great help to those of us who want help.
If people feel weird that it was "invented" by a man, it's actually based on the work of Harriet Tilden McJimsey, a woman, who published 'Art in Clothing Selection' in 1963. Kibbe the man seems like a nut, honestly... His Facebook groups have some "cult of personality"-type vibes, and I can barely understand his grammar-free ranting. But, broadly, the main idea isn't really his. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love the series but I do wish you were able to include more older women. My relationship with my body and body image has changed so much as I've aged.
Thought the same thing. Lacking in age diversity. I'm old, fat & disabled, might as well be invisible 😒
Good point but I think this video is already more diverse than many others and you can’t include everyone logistically
I’d love to hear your thoughts! I’m so curious what it will be like. I’m getting gray hair (potentially due to chronic trichotillomania lol) and I’m only 26. The way the muscles and ligaments age, the way subcutaneous fat changes, the way skin changes. I’m most worried about living in chronic pain. How has your relationship to your physical form changed over time?
As a 22 year old I would love to hear older women's perspectives more. There is so much to learn from more experienced women.
@Reshape Style why exactly "can't" you dress the same way as someone who's 25???
hey, as a currently slim person I, too, from the body-positivity movement. I lost one-third of my body weight last year and have been oscillating between bulimia and anorexia. Seeing posts that celebrate different body-types helps with my fear of food and weight gain. I have been eating better since I've followed pages like I Weigh because I know that if I do gain weight during my recovery I won't be alone and that not everyone will hate/bully me.
Great video, love your content!
“What do I think about my body? It’s ok, it does the job.” Such a British answer lol 😂
larisa has such a calming voice she’s so precious 🥺
It would of been cool trying to dress to suit your bodies so you could see yourself how it works, also I think it's weird that everyone said the Kibbe quiz was for people to dress up to please others, when I've been using it this whole time so that I can dress beautifully for myself!! I couldn't care less what others think of me, especially men, my body is a temple and I like to treat it as such by looking after it and making myself happy from looking cute. Like everyone's acting like they don't get happy when they have an outfit that makes them look like them, I love that feeling so I do everything I can to feel that. I enjoyed this video though thanks Tiffany! 💞
As with pretty much every issue or topic in our society I'm of two minds. I definitely think everyone should dress for what makes them happy and feel comfortable BUT (just watching your videos and not looking super in-depth into the system) it does seem to be based off of basic art theory and geometrical concepts. I love style and fashion and I've always looked at putting together an outfit and doing my hair and makeup like creating a piece of art. I look at my body as the canvas and think of my lines and measurements as variables and adding what colors, patterns and lines that I like. And I try not to make personal judgments on myself based on those variables. My giant hips and tiny chest are not inherently positive or negative just factors in my artistic decisions, if that makes sense. I think fashion, like art is like you need to know the rules before you can break them. So, looking at the system like that it could be used as an informative guideline. And not targeted at people who are already happy with the way they dress but for people who aren't sure why they put together an outfit and think it's looks off or doesn't fit correctly. Of course this is layered on body image issues that are seperate and need to be dealt with internally. If you have a body issues you won't be happy with anything. I definitely have those days where I just feel ugly and everything I put on looks "wrong" to me because I am the problem.
Okay, that was already too much haha. But I just want to add that I loved hearing Larisa's perspective as I have the opposite experience of growing up in the U. S and now living in China.
You deserve a lot of credit for the nuance of this comment! Your view of style resonates with me a lot. I feel the same way 🌷
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From this and my own shallow dive into kibbe, it seems like one of those classification systems that can help you built a vocabulary to find and express what you're looking for, and shop for a more coherent wardrobe.
I got that from playing way to much Style Savvy, which is way shallower, but even there seeing a difference between 'feminine', 'girly', 'chic' etc. clothes really helped.
i know this comment is old but i had to say that style savvy was such a great series and i love seeing fellow fans lol
That put into words pretty much how it is for me. I feel like what I got most out of it is being more aware I suppose, of what what to look for and what works for me. I’ve already gravitated towards my body type suggestions from what I can tell, I kinda have to take it with a grain of salt because it’s still so confusing and vague. But it’s helped me with understanding why I don’t like certain things and be more aware of what to avoid and look for even outside of kibbe
weirdly i found that each of your results from your consultations seemed accurate (from the little that i know about kibbe) but actually i also thought each of you already dressed in a way that "flatters" or suits you even in respect to your "types"! but i do think there is a lot of merit to what maddie said about how it could be detrimental to someone with a difficult relationship to their body as they could take it as a hard set of rules about what they can or cannot wear, and what haley said about how it caters to other people's perception of you. i think kibbe is probably best enjoyed/most useful when not taken very seriously and only used as a source of inspiration, particularly for people who are looking for clothes that are 'flattering'.
can’t tell if the types are accurate or just so broad that everyone can find something they relate to like zodiac signs lol
1. Love this video/mini-series! I love it when you dive deep into thoughts and ideas and look at all sides.
I thought she was at least 5'5!!
Hi Ainsley, You should checkout #lifeofadisciple I don't know what's up with this guy, but he has next level stuff on inner spiritual cleansing of your body as a temple and walking in the SPIRIT.
This series was so frustrating, I kept waiting for the ‘reveal shots’ of these women dressing how they like versus dressing like the test said and it NEVER CAME. I WANTED TO SEEEEEEEEE-
Right like in a video series about body types and having a consultant give each person a body type, it was very strange to not... show any of their bodies???
Yeah it was a pretty major oversight not to show the ladies first in their favourite outfit, then one that corresponds to their particular type, then have them discuss how it made them feel.
Also, the two ladies who were the most negative about the whole concept got the most airtime, and I understand it was probably their exuberant personalities coming through, but their obvious biases were a real downer n' to keep harping on them was disappointing.
That's what was expecting as well. Kibbe is about shapes and simply wearing clothes that harmonizes with those shapes, it isn't political nor is it dictating how you should dress.
I am glad that the 2 WoC in the video like Kibbe.
it's youtube not a full-fledge makeover documentary from the early 2000's lmao.
@@RelieaYuell I agree, I would have like to see them in the "recomended" lines, shapes and colors. But some of these RUclipsrs were wery defensive, looked like they went into this with minds already made-up, and made me feel like something wrong with me, because I care what looks good on me and why. They've got a lot of face time unfortunately.
Maddie: Can you imagine me in floral flowy thing with curled hair???
me: yes
(I'm not saying she should, that's not my business, but she definitely could.)
Right?! She disagreed with everything. She needs to be more open minded
I would never wear florals either, but if you distill it as an "irregularly rounded flowy pattern" and forget about main trends, you can use skulls on a semisolid background and get the same effect with a more palatable style.
Also, girly frills look absolutely out of place on many, but Maddie is rocking that top with frilly edges.
I wouldn't necessarily take style advice from a man who got famous in the 80s, but we get to pick and choose what pieces of info are relevant for us.
I found it interesting that Maddie totally has that TR vibe and dresses accordingly, yet she didn’t seem to think that she does or that it would suit her (maybe she was hung up on the idea of a floral). She said she likes sexy and to show off her body-TR. She might not have curly hair, but the soft, ombré shades of purple in her hair give the same effect. The black ruffled tank top is such a TR shirt, and it looked so fitting on her. Even her makeup is TR, and it’s lovely on her.
@@WaterNai I think in same cases people intuitively dress in those ways if they make sense? I think Tiffany also seems to have a soft classic esk style, just not the stereotype. Getting into learning about Kibbe has left me with a better understanding while also being just as confused? Somehow. I think it’s just all very vague. But I’ve noticed some of the thing I’ve seen go with my body type or my color season are things I’ve noticed about myself already without fully being aware of it. But kibbe and color season has made me more intentional with what I buy. Mostly outside of kibbe(due to still not understanding after months), just more aware of what I feel looks good on me
You picked the participants very wisely and it’s great that they ended up being all different types.
I had guessed Larissa’s body type right. I was SURE she would be a classic!
Yeah it was a lucky surprise that we all ended up being different types!
As someone who works in a hyper professional, hyper competitive male dominated environment - I find that dressing in certain cuts/styles/colors impacts my behavior in a formal setting, making me more assertive/borderline aggressive - behavior that in certain circumstances (like promotion discussions) is highly effectively. it would have been really interesting for you to include people from different work environments and how their typical lifestyle impacts stylistic choices and why given the topics specifically discussed in part 2.
I agree!
What I don't understand about body positivity is why something must be beautiful or be perceived as beautiful by yourself to be accepted. Like, my stomach, there is no need for it to be beautiful... it's doing its job, it's holding all my organs inside and whilst I may not like the way it looks sometimes due to internalised fatphobia and me struggling with an ED, it's doing what it's supposed to. A part of my body doesn't HAVE to be beautiful because its just doing what it's supposed to and to be beautiful is not its function.
I’m Russian and living in Japan and I really struggle. In my family I’m the smallest, (156cm) and even though I’ve never been thin ( about 69kg) I’ve never struggled with finding clothes or feeling HUGE until I moved here. I’ve had to accept that I’m considered XL here and that most stores won’t have my size. Living in Japan has also changed my personal style. I feel the need to cover up and be as invisible as possible because I already attract a lot of attention and I just don’t feel safe otherwise. The only time I can breathe and wear 100% what I want is when I go back to my country to visit.
Also, things are a million times worse now that I’m visibly pregnant. As if the staring wasn’t bad enough, I’m already at max size in maternity clothes and I’m only 5 months along...
What I wear has unfortunately not always been just a matter of what I like and feel comfortable in.
Me: I don’t like jeans
My friends: oh you just need to be more confident in yourself
Me: um. no. I just hate denim😂
Mood! I just dont like to wear pants, I’m not insecure about it, I just love to wear dresses and skirts lol.
same i feel chelosterphobic in jeans (idk how to spell it)
Juila H I think you meant ‘claustrophobic’ :D
@@novah8906 *claustrophobic ?
What I hate about jeans is that they warm me up only in the summer and freeze me off only in the winter, so they are never comfortable. It's always too hot or too cold
This was very interesting. I had only a passing familiarity with Kibbe before your videos, but have spent years exploring my style, body type and what I think works best on me. Your final point at the end was so spot on about how if the Kibbe system gets you to try out something you might not have before, and you like it, then that’s a positive. But I hope most people are like your collaborators who all seemed to agree that knowing their Kibbe type wouldn’t keep them from wearing something that they liked and felt good in, just because it didn’t go with the Kibbe profile. As for who we dress for and why, I think it’s difficult to unwrap how we think society will perceive us from our own innate desires. And it’s probably fine for most people to want to look presentable or to fit in to their surroundings. Then the ones who want to really stand out will have something to rebel against or stand out from-and that seems to be the dynamic of fashion. Please do more videos on these explorations of style, fashion and wardrobes. Perhaps something on the capsule wardrobe phenomenon?
I was very confused by the entire hair section of the styling guide. I just didn't understand what they meant by "messy" or "wild" hair, especially because as a black girl with naturally curly hair, I often hear those things about my own hair so it was hard for me to see where a black girl who wanted to wear her natural hair would adhere to this guide.
I felt Tiffany's description of her sense of style so hard! I rarely wear sweats and a sweatshirt outside of my apartment bc I feel like I don't look cute in them, I just look tired/sick.
i think the whole point of it ( even though i dont know his intentions are ) is for when you try something that looked great on your friend and it doesnt look good on you and you start assuming that your body is wrong. this type of body typing kind of reminds you that x and y is the reason why it looks better on her because of certain lines and flesh and blah.
Love this whole conversation, I think it’s so important to discuss how different people vibe with different styles!
I’ve never been thin enough to be “conventionally attractive” by American beauty standards, but I’ve gotten into wearing the things I want and curating outfits, and people in my life have been luckily supportive!
I like layering, robes and jackets are my favorite wardrobe pieces. I wear a lot of vibrant colors, leggings and hats are frequent focal points in my style.
You do NOT have to be at an “ideal weight” to dress in a way that makes you happy! It took me til after college to realize that, and I hope you, my friend, are not letting your body type hold you back from wearing WHATEVER you want!
You should checkout #lifeofadisciple I don't know what's up with this guy, but he has next level stuff on inner spiritual cleansing of your body as a temple and walking in the SPIRIT.
"everytime I wear a scarf I look like I'm choking to death" - i'm so glad i'm not the only person struggling to wear a scarf 😂 my grandma actually asked me if i was getting any air 💀
Hey Sway, I recommend you checkout #lifeofadisciple I don't know what's up with this guy, but he has next level stuff on inner spiritual cleansing and walking in the SPIRIT.
Ugh, that "leggings aren't pants" movement was so dumb.
But I honestly think it stemmed from when leggings just weren't as popular, and weren't very good quality. I remember when I did dance growing up, we laughed about how you could see our underwear when we bent over cos our leggings were so thin, and the only option was plain black. Nowadays, they come in thicker and more durable materials, they have more fun colours and patterns and 'athleisure' has become its own category of fashion, and you can be more confident wearing them without everyone seeing what colour underwear you have on! 😂
@@Tillysnow1 so true that's where the oversized seater/legging combo came in
@@Tillysnow1 Nah, I remember wearing colorful, thick leggings in junior high (like 2007/08) and was made fun of because people could "see my butt." Bruh. I think kids are just judgmental until they see that everyone's doing the same thing and they're the only ones left out.
They're a great way to live a fit life, need to do chores a mile away, get a quick run in at the same time. I also use them as a layer to warm up in when I go cold water swimming. Jeans are very restricted.
can you imagine if men put this much thought into their body types corresponding to what they wear...
Men use kibbe too....
Imagine assuming men don’t put this much effort 💀. If anything, men are shamed for caring about this kind of stuff, so maybe that’s why they don’t as often as women. Society effects men too, even if not as much as women.
Reshape Style exactly! Wanting to look good is not a “woman” thing but I human thing. Thinking otherwise is quite sexist.
@@adriananinoartigas5880 my point wasn't that men don't 'want to look good'. It's that society doesn't teach men that they have to scrutinize every angle of their body and dress to be appealing to women
Lucy mm but if they do have body insecurities they are even more scrutinized. It goes both ways
Low rise pants are the BANE of my existence. I have a small waist, especially for a chubbier girl, and wide hips as well as a semi-big ass, so when all I had was low rise pants, it was like half my ass crack was out constantly and I got made fun of for it ALL THE TIME, saying my parents bought clothes too small for me, I was too fat for clothes, blahblahblah. I still constantly hike my high waisted pants because I still worry about them showing my ass crack all the time, because I spent so long at such a young age, ass cheeks to the wind and bullied to hell because of it.
Girl I HATE MID RISE OR LOW RISE PANTS they suck so much I like to my high waisted jeans with the shirts tucked in and I can't do that with those devil jeans 😭
Giiiiiirl same 😭 I hated middle school enough, but I had to torture myself by only buying low rise jeans!! But now my problem is that my waist is too small for higher rise jeans that fit my hips 🤦♀️
@@Becky0494 not low rise 😭😖🙈 I hope your ok now but try buying curvy jeans or look on depop for jeans that fit both
So, in regards to the body positivity portion, I don't generally like it being limited to larger bodies for a few reasons. Smaller bodies (particularly if you are a man) are also marginalized in a way that can also lead to disordered eating and harmful habits.
Additionally some bodies can fit the "ideal" size, but still be marginalized due to things such as disability which are not always visible.
I do agree that it's a shame that the movement is being high jacked to sell more.
This reminded me of 2014-15 when Demi Lovato said that Taylor Swift's thin and tall body was unnatural when she was just...skinny and it was natural. I mean it's not like it was some "edit" or "surgery" . and in 2019 we got to know that she was starving herself because people said she looked pregnant.
I understand their point though it's the same with the natural hair movement but I think it should be open to everyone I think people need to stop assuming skinny or beautiful people are perfect and have no problems or insecurities because it's not true and their problems are just as valad
@@shreyaadahall I think people fighting for things can be hypocritical "body positivity" while shaming someone's body "feminism" while shaming women for being traditional
@@tionnajohnson8430 yeah.. about feminism tho.. the way people declare any white woman talking about double standard she faces as "White Feminist" is the most hypocritical thing I've seen and I'm not even white. That traditional thing isn't as hypocritical because most of the time *old school* women judge or slutshame modern women so most of the times they're just defending modern women.. sometimes old school women do get hatred just for making a choice which counts as hypocrisy but most of the times it's just defending modern women.
@@shreyaadahall I get what your saying but no they're or at least Haley is hypocritical saying that girls are trying to get attention when feminists always say were not doing it for men women can care about their looks without it being for someone else which i thought is something feminists push and I see judgement on both sides Tbh but I feel like there's hate that goes to the tradionally feminine women or femininity in general that feminism pushes which is why I'm not one
I used to care a lot about this type of stuff (dressing for your body type, haircut for your face shape, etc), but now I feel like I know what looks good on me more than anyone else. Style is a journey of sorts
I think it's nice that this system about dressing the body you've got and hopefully loving it. I also think you should just wear what you want.
i really appreciate how you're self concious about the words you use and how you always check for misunderstandings in after-production; language is a very important tool and its correct use is fundamental to express clear concepts. Thank you :)
I feel that some of these limits on who can participate in body positivity completely defeat the purpose of the movement! One can be socially accepted in society while having a turbulent inner perception of one's own body (or be physically ill) , and to say otherwise is an outright lie. Of course I completely agree that the media concentrates upon what they see as marketable, and bigger, coloured, and disabled bodies need to be normalised and seen as beautiful in society. But to say that someone is 'not fat enough to be body positive', is deeply wrong.
The gate-keeping around body positivity just gets me so annoyed. Growing up I've always felt bigger than my friends, I have a bit of a stomach but smaller boobs so I didn't feel like the 'ideal type', and my thighs are a bit bigger (thanks butt!). HOWEVER I'm still white and a *relatively* small size, S/M or 8-10 in Australian sizing. I've never been the skinniest girl and I've always been insecure about how I look, yet I'm not allowed to be body positive? It just seems so negative when taken in that way. I know not all body-positive influencers gate-keep, but those that do really annoy me
larisa’s accent is so lovely 🥺
I really love this video :) also totally can relate Larisa. Since I'm Korean, I used to think that my facial feature and body shape is somewhat wrong. Used to hate my eyes and wanted to have a plastic surgery. After living in London, I learned that my face is just different. In addition, I thought I was simply too fat to fit in usual korean clothes, while I figured out I just have bigger bottom and simply needed one size bigger :D Also....
I'm generally down to Kibbe body types. I think I'm quite similar to soft classic. No need to strictly wear those styles, but somewhere near body types and styles cannot go horribly wrong. Just, if I wear super feminine or extremely sexy..... it's gonna look a bit off and I know it by experience.
I think this system simply offers safer and generally flattering styles. Then ofc, personal preferences and life styles will influence your style as well....
Lastly, pls don't take those suggestions as a MUST :D I generally use this kind of tests just to understand why one person suits this colour/style better than me.
I personally really like the kibbe system. My body changed dramatically as I aged, from extreamly thin to curvy with big hips and I really didn't know what clothes would look good on me and be flattering. I'd buy clothes I'd think would look good but then on me they didn't look good. So the guidance is helpful.
So true something can be cute- just not on you 😶
im a natural body type and i have really big ribs bc im transfemme and i also have a barrel chest bc of my asthma, and it’s always been an insecurity of mine. i’ve been getting into more baby tees and tighter fitting stuff to just show it off, and it’s helped, but i pretty much only wear baggy jeans so ig im in like with that lol. im gonna keep wearing my tight crop tops and move on ✨
idk if this is normal but I wear different colors based on the season. (Example: in summer and spring I wear light pinks, light blues and navy. And in fall I wear red, yellow, and orange.
That's pretty cool!
I think Maddie would look amazing in sheer lace. I think there was lace around the top of her tank top in part 1. I think with her personality, which rocks, she could wear a lace daisy print with a high collar and still be sexy, sassy and fun. This was a great video. Thanks ladies for your honesty.
I really felt that ''messy will look TOO messy'' for me, I always see the baggy clothing and messy hairstyle trends going around and every time I tried them they look like I just rolled out of bed lol, I always wondered how this could even be possible seeing as I seemed to be the only one who this happened to and maybe I was just doing it wrong, so it's nice to see other people who also tried to do messy looks and didn't succeed lol
What I think the point of the Kibbe system is is understanding your lines and shapes so that you know how different clothes work with those lines and shapes. From there you can play up whatever style or effect you would like to portray. If you know your lines, you know why a lacy top looks looks extremely sexy on you when it looks normal on your friend (or vice versa) and if that’s the look you want for your outing, you know why one top looks frumpy on you whereas another one looks professional, you know what will look approachable on you and what will make you look like a badass, etc.. Kibbe shows you how to work with your body lines and shape to achieve the effect you want, rather than the clothes being off somehow or not giving the look you want to achieve.
"When you gain weight your body tends to become rounder and quite soft." Can someone explain what the alternative is? Since they're talking about gaining fat and not muscle, I don't understand how someone's body wouldn't become softer with more fat.
Yeah, I found that ridiculous too
Yeah for sure. When I read through the cozy Rebekah quiz it talks about the shape of the fat/weight. If I gain weight it doesnt go on in a rounded way, it's straighter and I "thicken". That was my take away lol, but it does still feel vague af.
Well, as a Kibbe dramatic, fat definitely doesn’t make me look soft. It just makes me look unbalanced because it all pools in the thighs and hips. My shoulders remain boney and angular, even when I was at my heaviest.
I have a friend who when she's at a higher weight she looks blocky more then soft and round. She is rather rectangular and has a lot of striking lines. But no matter what weight she is she doesn't really get boobs or hips. She looks stunning and I love her figure, but I know she gets annoyed that fat women are euphemistically referred to as 'curvy', because she just isn't curvy
I mean I kind of get what they’re trying to say! I’m generally considered “thin” but when I put on weight, it always goes only to my stomach. But since I have long limbs and a short torse, whenever I ut on weight I find a look more boxy and rectangular and broad, instead of round lol
I loooved this series!! one thing I've learned over time is that it's okay to be ugly. like, I know I'm beautiful, but I don't have to be constantly dressing perfect all the time. it's okay to just exist
I might just be buying into this snake oil talk, but can I just say, that the more they were describing their results, the more I was seeing them in the outfits they were wearing ... Especially gorgeous Maddy. Rounded ornate shapes - grape earrings, dainty details - spaghetti straps, small prints and flowy fabrics - the blouse from the first video. I am in the matrix ....
It's based off of basic art stuff. Following lines and finding balance with clothing just like a painter makes balance in their linework and composition to create a beautiful portrait. (I like to draw, so once I understood the idea behind it, it just clicked with me.)
Snake oil refers to pseudo science or something. These are aesthetic principles, a rather subjective thing. LIke complement like.
Maddie and Haley nailed it with their critiques at the end.
I HAVE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THIS
YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THE JOY I FELT WHEN I SAW IT WAS 47 MINUTES LONG
Thank you so much for including the information on Neutrality! As a plus size woman with a chronic pain condition it is so frustrating to be told to constantly love your body when you don’t feel like it loves you in return.
I genuinely think these body typing/styling rule are very helpful, especially when you start learn how to dress yourself. No disrespect to my mother, but whenever she dressed me "nice" as a kid, I hated it. Then when I started buying my own clothes, I bought everything I liked on the rack, but they all look so ugly on me. FINALLY, I start to do research, look up tons of fashion advice videos, blogs, etc, and very slowly learn to find what suits me AND what I like.
If anyone is interested in kibbe or the 12 color seasons, Elle jean is someone who makes videos on it. She also has a theory of her own called style roots which is pretty interesting. And she also talks about how to blend your style roots with your body type
I was just so keen to find 4 new gals to watch!! They are all so pure!!
Tea Noir made a very good and insightful video about body positivity. She made a very good point that the movement as it currently stands is still obsessed with beauty (she specifically talked about the "all bodies are beautiful" slogan) and that we need to move on from that.