When I was younger I found it baffling that people shaved. Like Tiff said in the video. Children are the ones with no hair so I never understood why grown women shaved to look like children? Like isn't it more mature to have hair?
DUDE SAME. All the women i saw on tv and media in general were always pretty and hairless so i just thought women didnt have hair, or if they did it was really small but nope, here i am, going like 3 months without shaving and my legs look like a forest
That’s why I like the brand Billie’s add campaign. There’s one that shows someone’s toe hair and it’s like “because no one’s talking about it” a breath a fresh air really. Another where they are like if you even want to shave with our razor lmao
For real, I would pay attention to the body hair ads if they showed the ladies shaving fricking like, idk, inch long leg hair instead of like a 0.00000000001 mm “leg hair” Like, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU SHAVING???? IT LITERALLY JUST SKIN?? it’s not even prickly-
Shaving for men is usually advertised as improving their life in some way (get the best shave) but shaving for women is advertised as avoiding shame, embarrassment, conforming to standards of hygiene and being acceptable to men.
Mate stop lying lmfao. I'm literally watching ads about women shaving and no mentions of shame. It does mention the same things mentioned to a man - get the best shave. So why lie?
@@jonathanxavier2026 there's a load of ads going like 'woman on the beach', 'woman on the run to an appointment' then they stop dead in their tracks, eyes of fear/embarrassment and then they shave their legs, sitting on a bathtub like a cartoon goddess. So....
It's unhygienic for both, but for men it has the benefit or at least looking masculine. Men have to do this bizarre balancing act because what's masculine is often not what's seen as a attractive. For women life is simple as attractiveness and femininity, at least on an aesthetic level, are always one in the same.
I love how everyone's argument is ''it's unhygienic'' yet the literal reason why your body grows hair is to protect it from getting dirt and other things on certain areas;; like go off if you want but do a little research
Ignorance regarding this is just funny at this point to me. I feel like if you are uneducated to that extent, you shouldn't even have an opinion on it... but I'm also kind of an asshole for thinking that I guess. I don't know, I knew that the purpose of hair was for protection since I was a kid and I asked out of curiosity of why the fuck do we have eyebrows to my mom haha
I'm a lesbian and something I've noticed is how the conversation about body hair is centered about men feel. It's a lot of "no man will will ever date you."
Yep, I'm bisexual and my ex girlfriends couldn't give a damn about my leg hair or "too lazy to shave" weeks (or months, in the winter). Men on the other hand.. Oh jeez.
My boyfriend once saw my legs unshaven and went “bro they look like mine. That’s so cool I didn’t know they did that” His heart was in the right place for sure, but it was so weird thinking that girls are so grossed out by the fact that they grow hair that he had never met a woman who had any at all
That's awesome. It feels so great when you have someone in your life who doesn't mind the fact that you indeed are a human. A big confidence booster i bet.
and as soon as you don't shave its a "PoLiTicaL StAtEmEnT" when its literally a non-behaviour. Like dude I’m not actively rebelling..I just can’t be bothered.
It's because women's bodies in general are politicized, which is stupid but that's unfortunately the society we live in. It's crazy to think that the natural state of a woman's body is seen as political (or even manly, despite women also naturally having body hair).
The same for me not wearing makeup. I don't really know how to respond to "why you don't shave?" or "why you don't wear makeup?" .... I just don't do it haha, I just don't have a reason to do it. Also, why do people care?
Wouldn't "my body my choice" mean I choose if I want to shave or not. Some people who go with that belief are complete hypocrites. Like THEY can have their own opinion and beliefs but I can't?
I don’t really get this line of thinking that you have. Pls correct me if I’m wrong, this is just my thoughts on the matter. Women can 100% be pro choice, and still think that body hair is gross. They can still think that women have the CHOICE to shave or not shave, but they can still personally find it gross themselves. For instance, many women I know are pro choice, but would NEVER themselves get an abortion. They just think that women have the right to CHOOSE. I believe it is a similar view on the subject of shaving. Just because you believe that someone should be completely in control of their own body doesn’t mean you have to personally like everything that they then choose to do with it.
@@hommefataltaemin Absolutely. You can't control what you're grossed out by. It's not hypocritical to be tolerant, because tolerance is when you don't fully agree with something yet respect people's right to do it if it harms no one, opposed to accepting something you previously didn't agree with as most people seem to think. Assuming others are telling you what to choose/do if they're voicing a negative opinion about something you happen to choose/do means your life and choices are largely dictated by what others think and you want those of others to be dictated by what you think. That type of people feel like there is only place in this world for one opinion and everything that differs from it is harmful in one shape or another. I personally don't like bodily hair on anyone, I've physically gagged a few times when I have been in bikini and noticed I left out a hair or two on my bikini line. I didn't choose to, I just did as a reflex. I also find facial hair repulsive (with the exception of maybe a goatee if the person looks good with it) and bodily hair too, especially on the armpits and the chest, turns me off immediately. That, however, doesn't mean I give two fucks about whether or not someone I have absolutely no intentions of hooking up with has any sort of hair on them. Sure, it will disgust me if it's overgrown armpit hair, but so do many things every day for every single person. You can't expect to fit everyone's standards and there isn't a single one-fits-all solution.
It's interesting how a standard men is generally "natural". No makeup, no shaving etc but a standard for women is to deviate from the natural. A natural woman is either gross or not trying hard enough. Even the natural occurrence of getting periods is gross and undesirable to men.
python java also straight men (obviously generalising but still) tend to say they’re attracted to “natural” looking girls over the instagram makeup aesthetic but that actually means the “no makeup makeup look” which... isn’t natural at all. it’s weird thinking about how women have to exist in this space where what’s often expected is to spend so much time and money to look effortlessly perfect
@@mhj4 Speaking as a dude, we don't really see much of the no makeup look day to day. That's probably a reason why some of us think it's weird as we don't see it much at all. Though personally I still feel repulsed by city-folk makeup(a lot more than country-folk).
I just feel bad for those 12 year olds who don’t wanna do it but feel like they HAVE to do it, and feel super self conscious about it. I don’t do it, but when I was younger it was hell for me. Not to mention that every time people see my hairy legs or armpits they instantly assume that I’m an crazy feminist and think they know all about my “extreme” political ideology
That’s why winter is my fav season cuz I don’t have to shave every day. Summer I still prefer to wear long pants and long shirts. It’s honestly a nuisance why shave when no one is going to see those parts of you?
yeah this sucks so baad since i was 11 i've been waxing bc if i shave it just grows the next day and i have a whole lot of body hair everywhere summer sucks bc i "can't" wear clothes that shows my back or my belly
When I was 11, I remember when changing my clothes to go to PE my friends kept talking about how smooth their legs were for some reason. They then looked over to me and said stuff about how hairy my legs were and how I should shave....and that’s how I first got my insecurity about my leg hair 😌
Also I feel like there is an “acceptable” level of body hair that mainstream media/advertising will show to try and prove they are feminist and care about equality but not all women have blonde, thin or short body hair.
ORE THE ULTIMATE SHOT SLAYER 69 So your armpits stop stinking when you shave it? I haven’t shaved my armpits in years and I don’t remember my armpits smelling any better when they were shaved
So you have no issues with men growing out their facial hair. There must be a reason it's growing there. Better not walk around demanding men shave their face.
@@digitmidget6973 I don't know what ya'll are doing but armpit hair doesn't smell unless you don't wash it properly. It has no reason to smell unless you sweat excessively and don't clean it properly. I actually find it better with hair because I don't sweat as much versus being cleanly shaved. But unless you have a problem armpit hair doesn't smell
a boy called me a monkey when I was in 2nd grade and I remember coming home & crying and I asked my mom to buy me a razor & let me shave but she said no lol
Min Yoongles when i was a kid all the guys used to point out that i had more hair than them. One day i tried to use my moms razor to shave and i cut my arm bad. I was 8
@@arcane1282 generally, I’d say do it because attractive women have immense privilege in society. But if you want to handicap yourself and be treated like a dude, good for you. Maybe it’ll build character.
As a girl, I personally HATE armpit hair on men. (It mainly stems from doing a lot of sport growing up and seeing boys with armpit hair matted with sweat- ughghg just thinking about it makes me nauseous) Despite this, I show no reaction whenever any of my male friends/strangers walk around with their hairy armpits on display because it's so normalised. If women who hate hairy armpits on men have to endure it (which I think is right because ultimately it's their own choice) I don't see why men can't buck up and do the same
EXACTLY!!! I have always hated any sort of body hair on me, men/women/* insert gender* , with the exception of eyebrows, eye lashes, and the hair growing from the scalp. I don't mind if other people don't shave (their body, their choice), I won't avoid them or anything, I just won't find them attractive, (I'm bi btw)...
Totally agree. I can’t help but dislike body hair in general, with a couple specific exceptions. The problem is that I’m a pretty hairy guy, and the older I get, the more prominent it becomes. The upside is that I can rock a beard, but the downside is that everything else is that much more noticeable
Same I would see guys with deodorant matted hair under their pits..and it was gross af...but because it was normalized no one says anything....so why can't guys do the same for us... because guys get grossed out alot more easily than women do, you have to be delicate around them and stroke their egos, and make them feel like a big boy!
My sports teacher made fun of my hairy legs and was laughing about it with other male teachers. I was 15 or something. I had tears in my eyes and didn't speak to anyone for the whole day.
Shweta Srivastava just sad how grown ass men have to tear down LITERALLY children for NO REASON AT ALL... I often tell my dad that I hate this world and when he asks why, I tell him “because I’m a woman.”
omg i'm so sorry! you don't deserve that. my experience wasn't as embarrassing but i didnt shave my armpits one day, and this boy called me gross. he constantly made fun of me for it everyday, and he just didn't get it. one day he told my "boyfriend" that and i was so ashamed. i made sure to never wear a shirt that could possibly show body hair.
I'll never forget how my friend's mum walked in on us talking about trying out shaving creams when we were 13 or so. This incredible sage just said: "Girls, honestly, do what you want, but if you EVER have a boyfriend and he complains about a bit of stubble on your legs, ditch him, he's not the one!" Little did I know I had just received some of the most valuable advice of my life.
@@kaiser1295 Yes, they do. It's those who break up over complaining who don't deserve it. Every couple argues. If she is too immature to handle that, then she should have never had a relationship to begin with.
@@iamthewellpeople argue about problems or differences in values, but arguing over how someones body should be is simply unacceptable. if a boy cannot handle a womans natural body then he simply does not deserve her
I worked as a swim instructor and women employees had to meet mandatory "hygiene standards" of shaving like armpit hair on women is going to harm the children or something
The weirdest thing is how hair in the exact same spot on a man and a woman can be considered SO differently. Armpit hair on women = unhygienic. Armpit hair on men = no problem. HOW?! Seriously, one thing is what you think personally, but hair is in NO way more or less hygienic if it's on a man or woman's body.
The major argument for shaving for women is that hair traps the smell. How come men who do much more physical activity specifically athletes aren’t seen as gross ?
Exactly. Also when women have lots of hair on their body it’s ‘gross’ but when they have lots on their head it’s fine. Like they both get washed. In fact, most people don’t wash the hair on their head anyway. Yet it’s less gross than on your body which probably gets washed alot more.
DarthYuYevon well, I have a lesbian friend and her girlfriend hates body hair, she has to shave everything, even her arms, meanwhile my boyfriend has no problem with my body hair (and I’m the hairiest woman I know) so hair aversion can come with any sexual preference
Yeah, Ive heard people say it "traps a smell" but I feel like it wouldn't be a huge issue if you shower everyday and wear deoderant (plus I dont know if its even true)
So here I am, looking at these “shaving doesn’t hurt, so you might as well...” comments, sitting here with another huge cut on my leg from shaving 🩸🪒 Yah Can’t count the number of scars I’ve got because of that. Not even talking about the pain of epilating and ingrown hairs.
these ppl make no sense. how is body hair “unhygienic” but the hair on your head can be as long as you want? oh bc you can wash your hair but...somehow not your body hair?? do they know how dumb they sound?
Men think it's masculine because more hair signifies more testosterone or something, even though armpit hair is the same on both genders. Complexes and insecurities are so not sexy.
Can we open up a discussion about hair in private areas? It hurts shaving it down there, uncomfortable too. Yet we apparently have to do that to please porn-loving guys, who would never go through that for us. (not about everybody, just putting it out there)
@beep boop it won't stop you from dating don't worry, many women don't shave or wax and have a good dating life. Body hair can be an idiot filter because all the dumbasses who think it's "gross" for you to be yourself will be repulsed and only the good ones will stay
I also hate the feeling of shaved armpits- I just dont like it..ive had girls stare at me during p.e but I dont want uncomfy pits so they can keep on staring lmao
I hate the argument that ‘shaving doesn’t hurt’. I have thick hair genes. Where most people have one hair per follicle, I have two-three. Shaving/waxing (downstairs especially) is extremely painful. Many follicles become red and ingrown within a day, I literally have pry each hair out of my own skin, which causes scarring. a panicked teenage me went to the nhs website to see what I could do about it, and the only treatment they had was to ‘stop shaving/waxing’. That solution made me want to cry honestly.
I have this as well. It’s called Pili Multigemini and it’s in my bikini area. I have a very high pain tolerance, but waxing/sugaring was excruciating. Shaving is impossible because of folliculitis that was also painful and I’d be left with redness and what looked like tiny zits. I’d be ok the day I shaved but weeks after that it was brutal. It made it very hard to plan anything pool/beach related in public. And the ingrown hairs with both waxing and shaving were brutal. I bought everything on the market to help and nothing worked. Now I just trim very closely and any my bikini line I use an electric shaver called the Seiko Cleancut. You can do your entire area and it won’t cut you, it’s as close as shaving and it doesn’t aggravate my skin! No more bumps or ingrown but I also use something called Tend Skin just in case to help prevent ingrowns and bumps. I’m in my 40’s and I wish I knew about this when I was a teenager. The other solution is laser hair removal. It’s pricey but when you add up the cost of everything else over the years it’s worth saving for! My sister had it done and it helped her so much! My husband is happy with me trimmed, plus a little bit of hair releases pheromones which is a scent we can’t detect but enhances sex a lot! It’s part of our biological make up and animals have it as well to promote procreation. So having a little is a good thing but it’s up to you. But I know your pain, embarrassment and frustration! So there are other options besides just not shaving/waxing. The cleancut you apply either oil or baby powder to help it glide, keep the area dry and that’s important for no irritation. You can get it on Amazon. With Laser they’re always coming out with new more effective ones, do your research and read reviews. Newer machines usually mean fewer treatments. Also don’t go to places that say IPL can remove hair because it can’t but many places try to scam people. IPL is not for hair removal! I know this is really long but I know your pain and want to help as much as I could.
I remember the first time i saw a woman with her leg hair grown out on a train in germany. the impression I got was that she was happy and unbothered. I realized I had no idea what my leg hair even looked like so I grew it out to see. while i do remember liking the feel of smooth legs, i did not like the feel of my stubbly legs rubbing against each other. and well, that required meticulous maintenance and i just cant be bothered. i havent shaved my legs in over 2 years. i like the idea of someone else seeing my hairy legs and being inspired to let their own grow out. or, if their reaction is repulsion, i’m ok with that too. at the end of the day i’ve reclaimed hours of my life and money by giving up shaving. and i’m ok with it.
I was made fun of when I was 13-14 because I didn’t shave my legs. I was so confused at first and then when I understood I was so ashamed and disgusted with myself.
Female body hair in other places than legs, armpits and pubes should be normalized/depathologized. With this I mean belly hair, nipple hair, butt hair, upper lip hair, chin hair etc. Lots LOTS of cis women have this and are scared to talk about this. It can often be just genetic (of course it can be part of PCOS or other conditions, but it doesn't have to be). The amount of times I've wasted crying over this is just... And then it turned out to be just genetic. I talked with a few other women who had similar hair patterns. Nothing "" "freaky" "" about it. My dad and brother are also super hairy, but have never been made to feel this way.
I know, my lady doctor was disgusted with me for having one hair on my chin. It’s ridiculous, btw I’m cis. And the one hair on my chin has been there since I was little.
My husband teased me about my armpit hair when I forgot to shave for a while when he has toe hair and a hairy back. I grew it out for a while just to make him get over it. I went back to shaving because I like the feeling. I never cared at all about my upper lip hair (also a blonde body hair person so it’s not super visible unless you’re right up on my face) until a lady at a nail salon wanted to get rid of it. Of course...she wanted to make the extra $ to wax it off! So much of what we have to do as women to be “presentable” is so expensive. If we don’t do it we are “gross/letting ourselves go” but if we do comply we are “too fussy/too high maintenance”. 🤦♀️
Yes the "letting yourself go" argument, thank you, this is the bane of my existence 😭 If I regularly took the time to get rid of every hair on my body I'd be letting my other goals and tasks go... Because shockingly, women have priorities that don't include our appearance
The latter complaint does not happen as much as the former complaint. I hate women hogging the bathroom to groom and make yourself up but us men WAY more appreciate that you are keeping yourself looking feminine and attractive. It is selfish for couples not to stay attractive for each other.
It's funny because shaving creates micro abrasions which leads to more infections. So I kinda laugh at people who say shaving is 'hygenic' No one sanitizes their razor before they use it.
And shaving pubic hair has been linked to women being more at risk of UTI's, STI's, and other conditions. I did a bit of research and public hair actually helps produce oils and sweat that keep it cool down there, and also traps bacteria that could have gotten down further. As long as you wash regularly it really does not affect your vaginal health negatively, it actually has a positive influence. If anyone needs the sources I'll link them. :)
As an Iranian woman, I can confirm that we are hairier than any average “hairy” woman you can find. It can be frustrating at times because if I had blonde leg or air hair, I wouldn’t care to shave but I have such thick dark hair that it bothers me if I don’t oof
i'm a Pakistani girl and i have hair completely everywhere even hairy girls are not as hairy as me :( its dark not just in my legs in my stomach boobs chest like everywhere in my torso and it isn't light and its in my shoulders and butt and face like no man is gonna find me attractive
women who make the political statement of not removing hair are usually pretty hairless to begin with. I am white like a sheet of paper and my hair is very very very dark, I am also very hairy, so it is not a good look. It is like when small chested women proclaim they do not like wearing bras as if they were such rebels, as if it was remotely comfortable to have an active lifestyle with a D cup without wearing a bra.
Thick curly coarse hair is definitely not valued in the bodyhair positivity movement. We also have difficulty shaving so, it's a weird space to occupy.
As a Latina, I remember feeling self conscious in middle school about my dark long arm hair, but I sat next to an Italian girl who also had dark long arm hair. Once, I told her about shaving my arms and she said she liked to keep hers because it was a way to show pride in her Italian heritage. Ever since, I quit trying to shave it bc damn she’s right. I am Latina, dark long hair is part of being latina, and I am proud of it. Besides, shaving/waxing takes too much time, kinda hurts, and I have better things to do 🤷🏻♀️
Isabel Kang-Scoleri I’d say to not be self-conscious, but that would be terrible advice, since you can’t decide to not be. But yeah, I thought I would comment a few words of encouragement. You can be proud, and if you do want to want to stop shaving or just be more confident, just know that we’re rooting for you!! (Also, I’ve found saying the phrase “ fuck society!!!” angrily in your head helps a little with being self-conscious about things that we only believe matter because society has instilled it into us. If anyone wants to use that.) I don’t really know what this comment is, or why it’s so long, but yeah. ♥️
I remember being so embarrassed once when this dude decided to call out that a I was "growing a mustache." It made me feel super self-conscious because of the fact that I had just waxed my upper lip the other day.
Not a girl (questioning things currently) but I've got very light blond hair on my head, but pitch black long hair everywhere else including brows. Heritage? German and some viking stuff, basically. Guess I'm stuck with both extremely dark long hair (which I do admittedly like when I feel more masc) and the worst heritage to say you're proud of, LOL. Just bad luck on my part, no joy of heritage :'-)
I was called "big bush" by a girl in seventh grade because I told her I didn't shave yet. SEVENTH GRADE. excuse me? That's so young for a) a someone to be shaving down there, b) for a girl to be hounding another girl for her body hair. We gotta teach them young about body hair positivity. The ONE (maybe the only) good thing I will say about younger people having access to social media is that there ARE influencers out there who normalize normal body hair. I wish I had that when I was little! I was always weird for having thick and dark arm hair, never knew that was actually p normal
The other day in class this girl was pointing at my legs, she then laughed a bit and whispered to like four other people. like wtf. I constantly struggle with keeping my leg hair, if I do I have to cover it up even if it's hot out.
yea i agree. several girls in my gym class are always talking about shaving down there in the locker rooms and it honestly surprised me at this age. i mean they are like 12-13 and not only do they shave their private parts but many of them wore like thongs to school everyday so they wouldn’t have underwear lines. like they are too young to be worrying about that stuff
I’m in seventh grade rn and I’m conscious of other people around me seeing if I haven’t shaved or when I wear a bikini other people can see my hairs down there. But tbh I’m just too lazy to do anything down there, especially because I have dark course hair which s u c k s
I wish people would just realize that women don't exist just for the sole purpose of making other people happy with the way we look. If you don't like body hair then just direct your eyes somewhere else, it's really not that hard.
Loved this!!! Time to remove the stigma on body hair! My sister grew up being heavily bullied about it since she was a kid, so whenever we make negative comments on adult women about their body hair little kids DO pick that up REALLY QUICK and pass along the bullying on to their peers.
Don't bully people for their personal aesthetic preferences-no matter how unfeminine it might be-but also don't get mad at people for not finding you attractive because of it.
Ah Lee Nah well yes and no. It’s easier to keep something hairless clean than something with hair which allows sweat and grease to cling to it. I notice myself it’s much easier to keep my underarms from smelling when I shave, as there’s no hair for the sweat to cling to and go bad. If you don’t shave it’s important to wash the areas with larger amounts of hair well, as it’s like with the hair on your head. The hair on your head allows your scalp to get greasy easily, much more than someone bald would have to worry about as it’s much easier to thoroughly clean a smooth surface than one with plenty of individual strands for grease and dirt to hide around. That’s why we use shampoo to wash off grease, just water isn’t usually enough to wash off what builds up in our hair. I’m obviously not saying we should all go bald, but it is semi true that it can be unhygienic.
Bel Sheahan So, at the end the difference is the amount of time you have to spend cleaning it, which in retrospect makes the argument “body hair is unhygienic” invalid because everyone has to clean themselves to stay hygienic. I think the prejudice “body hair = unhygienic” developed through the believe that people not shaving are too lazy to do so (because there’s that expectation that everyone should and would), which, in conclusion, would make them too lazy to take proper care of their hygiene.
Ah Lee Nah in summery, yes. It is most certainly true that body hair is not in its self unhygienic, but rather just takes more work to clean, which is not the same as dirty. I honestly don’t mind body hair at all, as long as it’s clean, which is probably obvious from the absolute forests on my arms and legs haha.
dil oreo my argument is not invalid. Body hair catches sweat, unpleasant odours and bodily secretions, thus being less hygienic in a sense. Note here I am talking about armpit and pubic hair, not your regular arm and leg hair. While washing thoroughly daily can cancel out this process, it is not completely incorrect to say it less hygienic, just incorrectly phrased. A more suitable statement would be ‘patches of thick bodily hair trap sweat and other unsanitary substances, and therefore require more work to keep clean and fresh, and, when these requirements are not duly met, can be unhygienic’ or ‘large patches of thick bodily hair can trap sweat and secretions’ just because it takes more time, it does not mean all related facts regarding the subject are invalid. Not by a long shot.
Tattoos, piercings, clothing, body hair, hair in general, make-up........... if it's not your body, it's not your business. I cannot fathom how people think it's alright to give their unwanted opinion on other people's body hair.
I wonder about that, not shaving as a form of rebellion, but having tattoos and piercings and dyed hair. It is all a way to conform, and at least you cannot get hepatitis from waxing your armpits now and then.
So I didn’t shave my legs for about a year for no reason other than I didn’t feel like it (I wasn’t trying to make a societal statement) and recently discovered that it intimidates people when they first meet me. Some of my sorority sisters told me the other day that they thought I was so sure of myself and a total badass just because I had leg hair. It blew my mind that my simple laziness was enough to make people think that of me only because it was different than what society expects of women.
When I was 13 I heard boys saying arm hair was gross on girls and I spent the rest of the school year trying to hide my arms it truly made me insecure, I'm now 19 and gotten over that but there's still a societal pressure to remove my hair
I was the same way. I wore sweaters and long-sleeves everyday, no exceptions, even in a blistering heat of summer, to hide my arm hair for about six years. Eventually, due to wearing long-sleeves everyday and the fact that I mostly wore all black, a rumour started going around that I was cutting myself. (silly stereotypes)
oooh same, I used to shave my arms because I got hair like aged 7 and was called a gorilla at school. Now I literally couldn't give af about it; if someone decides to be a dick about it then that's on them and has nothing to do with me. I'm done feeling bad about something that's meant to happen just because some people are incapable of getting their shit together and growing up.
As a hairy girl I've been told several times that my back hair and armpit hair is 'not lady like' and each time I keep wondering why? When guys do it it's okay but all of a sudden I'm unclean?
Suwi I feel like there are things that are considered masculine and feminine because it’s human nature to try to differentiate from the two sexes. Like in nature, straight people (which is the majority of the world) are usually more attracted to whoever looks the most feminine and most masculine. Men usually like women to be “soft and smooth” and women usually like men to be “rough and tough”. So although women shaving is a society-based idea, it kind of makes sense in today’s culture.
I once killed A man with my shoe I don’t think all straight women and men necessarily go for the gender standards naturally in this day and age (maybe when weren’t as evolved sure). A lot of it is nurtured, we’re conditioned from a young age to think women can only be soft and meek and men can only be strong and stoic, which is stupid because there are so many tough women out there and lots of men who feel they don’t identify with societal gender ideals. I am definitely biased though bc I am a (mostly) straight woman that is attracted to “feminine” men so.
The first time I shaved my leg hair, I cried. I literally felt like a piece of me was missing and I missed the hair. I eagerly waited for it to grow back. I felt so stupid for missing my body hair, but years later, I realized that no matter how small, it is a part of me and I don't need to get rid of it if I don't want to.
Me too I cried but it was because my mom held me down and shaved my armpits against my will when I was 12-13. I had already been arguing with her saying I wouldn’t do it, and I didn’t care what people thought. She got super mad about it
It’s because the hair has a big neurological effect when you shave. It’s as if we cut the the roots of a tree. Do you feel the feeling when you pull one hair out and it sends a shock into your system
i understand the feeling. i had to do lazer hair removal (my mom made me do it) and not only i had to go through the pain (im really sensitive to pain, so even if its supposed to be mild it was really bad for me) i had to get rid of my soft hair :( im never doing that again if i can help it.
i read this somewhere and it changed my worldview: for men, not conforming to gender roles is going out of your way to do something (shave, apply makeup, etc.) but for women, not conforming to gender roles is just existing as you are (hair growing as it does, not applying makeup, etc.). also it breaks my heart how often i hear women shaming other women for their body hair. i don't shave my legs regularly anymore (nothing deep, i just don't like taking the time to) and my mom comments about it when i see her, and makes it clear that it bothers her. it's so frustrating. i think of her as being a strong female role model in my life, supporting my goals, encouraging me to pursue my talents and interests, but she thinks that it's vital that i remove my body hair, as if that has any impact on who i am as a person or what i am capable of. when i was younger i used to have the same reaction to body hair on women, i thought it was unclean or unattractive. now i can see that had i not been implicitly told all my life that it was unclean or unattractive, i would have no intrinsic reason to think it was. i've never seriously dated anyone, and don't plan on doing so anytime soon, but i also feel that when i get out in the dating world, it will be crucial that i carefully remove all body hair very consistently as to avoid any stubble or missed spots. the idea of doing that sounds tiring and pointless, but also unavoidable. i guess i kind of feel like the odd one out because all of my friends who i've talked about it clearly have done zero critical thinking about the topic (frequently repeat that they like the way it looks or they like the way it feels, but can't say why, and have made it clear that they don't like the task of removing the hair, yet they readily do it and would not consider stopping). i don't know of anyone else in my life who would actually seriously consider, much less go through with, not shaving for any extended amount of time if they knew that part of their body would be visible to other people. some of my friends will admit with shame that during the winter months when they only wear long pants they will go a few weeks without shaving. it's so frustrating that no one in my life seems to notice or care that we feel intense shame about our body in its natural state. how can we ever truly love ourselves if we only love ourselves conditionally?
Hi there! I love everything about what you just said! Thank you so much for writing this! I feel the exact same way! It's so frustrating having a parental Guardian, especially your mother, constantly shaming you do to the societal pressures that were placed on them. Personally, I find it the most hurtful when I see my fellow women hurtfully reinforcing these unjust body standards on to people like myself who feel the most empowered by not shaving to impress others, but only shaving when I'm in the mood to. You're not alone in your feelings and I am so thankful that you wrote this. Self-awareness, self-analysis, and self-actualization is everything. Unfortunately, I've learned that I cannot depend on people in my environment to affirm my existence simply as I am. It's not wise to look into a broken mirror and expect to see an accurate reflection of yourself. Keep up the fight & Question everything!
Yes!!! Completely yes to everything you said here. I share an identical frustration with women unwilling to examine these "preferences" we have been conditioned to have and shamed into keeping up. (Though a note on dating: I date and sleep with people, and I have pubes. I feel way more hair-related scrutiny from family and society at large than anyone I have individually slept with. If you feel judged by your dating partner you are dating the wrong partner. Just my 2 cents :) )
I was like that when I was a teenager and so were most of my peers but then you age and get fuckin tired of shaving every goddamn shower. Not spending precious life moments razing my leg hair off thanks
My dad and I were talking about body hair and I said “if you met the woman of your dreams who was perfect in *every* *way* but she didn’t shave her legs, would you still date her?” and he firmly said he wouldn’t have her. Like- not even armpit hair, just leg hair. That ticked me off so much and honestly hurt. It sucks so bad that being in our natural state is seen as a statement and automatically makes people have certain ((negative)) assumptions about you. The whole thing is more than just about body hair. It’s about the physical and emotional effects it puts on us our whole lives. It may not be a humongous deal in day to day life, but adding it up over years reveals the long term erosion it has on ourselves.
@@exomoneylabel it's okay for people to have preferences. But to give up a perfect woman just because she has leg hair? That comes from a lack of education and adhering strictly to gender roles. I become attracted to people based on looks too, but if I met someone with a perfect personality for me, I would not care what they looked like. I get what you mean, but body hair is a small part of life. op's dad would give up the perfect woman because of this one small detail about her. To me, that doesn't seem right.
youngmeetro _255 leg hair shouldn’t be your top priority when looking for someone to be with. If you’re not looking for personality first and foremost in a person, you need to rethink your high standards
Okay so if body hairs “unhygienic” what about scalp hair? Dirt and germs and yucky stuff gets trapped in it and it’s considered gross to brush through your hair at dinner
"Ugh, how DARE she not put a blade against her skin and cut her all natural hairs and not please the society?!?! Such DISGUSTING behavior!!!" -[Note the sarcasm]-
We have to stop with the whole idea of men shaving as looking "gay". What is that even suppose to mean? " Oh, now when I shaved my armpits that were so hairy that they were covering my eyes, I actually realized that men are more attractive than woman". Like, there is no connection. Geez, don't drag people down and doubt their sexuality just because they want to do something that you are too lazy to do
Exactly I swear when you decide not to shave for whatever reason people take it personally. Like she never attacked anyone, all she did was not shave wtf is wrong with people.
Personally, I feel if you make fun of someone for hair - having it, not having it etc - it is a direct reflection of your own insecurity. If you need to mock someone, for any reason, it is becasue you yourself feel insecure in yourself and putting someone else down makes you feel slightly higher than then and it gives you validation.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 you missed the point of the video... nobody cares what you find attractive or unattractive. if your first instinct when seeing a video talking about unrealistic body standards and the absurdity of them is to go into the comments and talk about how you find body hair unnattractive, you are the problem.
this is something i have to think about everytime i hear "im shaving for myself cause i feel sexier" (including when I say i); its that, i think we need to question WHY we feel sexier like that. why do we think no body heair, or at least less, is automatically sexier, and its ingrained in our heads? its not because we naturally think so, but because of the culture, and advertising etc, i know, not very shocking :D and im not saying that you NEED to stop shaving bc its not actually your own preference necessarily but one cultivated by the environment. i just think its a good thing to think a bit deeper about all of this.
Testosterone plays a very mayor rol on hair growth in general (ofc after genetics) and bc testosterone is a hormone presented in larger quantiy the male body we tent to asociate the most visible effects with men
I'm in a course about gendered psychopathologies at the moment, and what I've recently learned is that women experience objectification in our culture, which in turn makes us self-objectify and always monitor how we look to others. This is a very unconscious process and we think we want to look pretty for ourselves but it's actually our internalizing of objectification and we want to look good for others. I'm still learning about this theory so I'm not sure if I'm completely correct but I think body hair removal is also a part of this (of course not every woman self-objectifies but it has been proven to set males apart from females because men don't self-objectify as much as women).
I think being hairless is seen as desirable for women for the same reasons that other typical child-like features are, such as big eyes, small nose, relatively large head and small body, etc. Its because those features are typical for children thus make women look young and cute, like children. Which is kinda creepy when you think about it. Women start growing hair when they reach sexual maturity. Therefore from a biological point of view it would make more sense for body hair to be a turn on in the same way that boobs are, simply because they signal sexual maturity.
@@mauriciovalenzuela9674 Funnily enough, estrogen also plays an important role in hair growth in women. Normal/high levels of estrogen support full hair growth while low levels of estrogen leads to hair loss (that is why women tend to lose hair after pregnancy, due to a sudden drop in estrogen and also during menopause.)
I also find it funny that when women grow out their hair, they need to accessorize it with hair dye to make it more acceptable. 🤔 like, even when trying to make a statement about being a natural human with hair, we have to make it "cute." We can never just BE.
@DarthYuYevon well I'm straight, so I can't just "be a lesbian." 😅 and I'm pretty sure it depends on the individual. A girl who's lesbian might or might not like hair on women. A guy who's gay might or might not like hairy, "masculine" men. I dunno. Every person's attracted to different things. 🤷♀️
@DarthYuYevon if there's anything that gay men are sexually attracted to that's different from straight men, it's men. lol (vice versa with lesbian/straight women.) but the specifics (like body hair, "masculinity," "femininity," etc.) are all dependent on the individual. I'm a straight girl who isn't that into big, hairy, macho men. Also, I'm not gonna avoid men and "embrace" my attraction toward women just so I don't have to shave my body hair. lol (shaving is a preference for me anyway. And if a guy is gonna throw a fit about me not shaving, then he's probably not the one for me. lol)
I'm Middle Eastern, so I have super dark, thick hair all over. I'm so glad you made the point about different types of body hair and how we view different types as more acceptable! It's so true. When I was in elementary school people would poke fun at my arm hair or my facial hair, but they wouldn't say anything about girls who had blonde hair. I'm so glad someone else sees it.
I am so glad that more people are starting to talk about this topic. I remember when I was like 11 years old and I got called out for having hairy arms. Then I shaved it and the same people started making fun of me, because now my arms were „spiky“. Like..yes when my hair regrows it is not smooth. Well now I’m older and most people don’t care, but the amount of comments I got from people concerning my body is ridiculous. I am now working in a kindergarden and one girl had dark hair and she also had some above her lip. So one boy laughed and said: „She has a beard!“ To which I responded: „There is nothing wrong with it. We all have hair. Some have brighter and some have darker hair.“
These people are so damn judgemental. Razors are expensive, shaving cream is bad for the environment, armpit hair doesn’t hurt anybody, cease. It ain’t your body, stop being scared of something we all grow naturally.
Asobimo it’s happened to me, I think it depends on your skin and hair type but for me shaving without anything but water leaves my skin feeling horrible and itchy and I get way more irritated lumps and bumps. I just use conditioner like Iconic Blonde does.
It's weird Women are generally expected to have long hair on their heads and no other body hair and Men are generally expected to have short hair on their heads but they should have body hair or else they "have" to be gay edit: no hate to gays, men with long hair, or women with short hair
I remember being like 9 years old and seeing tabloids with a hairy Julia Roberts and a few other celebrities on it and they were being shamelessly ridiculed for it. As a child I was so impacted by it. Now as an adult I am so bothered by how we feel its ok to comment on ANYONE ELSES PERSONAL CHOICE. Its f***ing HAIR.. *there's people dying Kim* .....
As a lesbian I've never had a girlfriend or a dating partner (non binary) who hated hair on a woman's body. Most of them have shaved, but to be honest, I actually like natural hair.
As an older lesbian, I have only been with women that have hair... some more than others. Even the few women that were way younger... but I've never met a lesbian that really had a preference to what their partners have.
it's actually very hygienic to have armpit hair. the reason why you have armpit hair is because it lifts the sweat off of your body, which keeps you cleaner.
@robber barron but leg hair is just not an attractive thing to look at either, I don't really think it would be necessary to condition leg or armpit hair tbh.
@@Papershire What r u talking about? The whole point if the comment is that I see it as a nasty turn off. Do you see anyone with personal preference as offensive and biased in your eyes?
I'm a man and I have no idea why I'm even watching but I really do think it sucks that especially women are pressured to shave. I don't personally care if someone is hairy as long as they maintain basic hygiene like showering and honestly don't think anyone should mandate what someone does or doesn't do with their body hair, especially if they're not a significant other or so. But it also goes other way in a weird way for me because I sometimes shave my armpits because they're hell in summer when it gets all hot and sweaty and I get slack for it. There's no really winning here
I kind of stopped shaving when i realized that hey, if I can have a crush on that pretty girl and she has darker and thicker hair than mine it means that people can still have a crush on me if I don't shave It was a nice realization
It saddens me when a woman tells me that she’d love to stop shaving her armpits but that she couldn’t handle the social stigma. Same goes for pubic shaving before a trip to the pool or beach. Female body hair is a sign of maturity, not masculinity. Watching the reaction of some people is cringeworthy. Particularly that lady with the make up caked all over her face criticizing the natural woman and the genteel emasculated man agreeing with her. I salute anyone who goes against these so called norms because removing all your body hair to satisfy some societal convention is a real knock on personal liberty and individuality.
If your construct of womanhood is confined to a lack of hair, you’re fragile and surface-level. I don’t care if you’re a man or woman, telling anyone what to do with their body BAFFLES ME
@@andreakae4211 That's honestly the person's problem. People have their own preferences for what they deem attractive, but expecting the world to follow your standard of attractiveness sucks.
Andrea Kae what a lazy, poorly pointed argument. I don’t find waist length hair attractive on men. That’s not something I enjoy. Would I ever tell that man they’re not manly enough because of their long hair? Would I ever wage some unnecessary war on men with long hair because it goes against conventional attractiveness? Bottom line, it’s none of my business. And it’s none of yours. My point in my original post was that if you care THAT much about hair, you’re confused how freedom of choice works. I think it went right over your head.
Melody Schnapp I think you’re the one that misunderstood my statement. I never said anything about telling anybody what to do with their body. I said you’re judging people‘s personal preferences.
I haven't shaved my pits in years, I forget people find it wierd. I've noticed that men will be hitting on me then they see my pits and they run off. It's kinda like jerk filter
I've never shaved my arms, now I'm 20 and when I was younger I always thought that arms hair were normal...like "it's normale to have hair there"...I will never shave them :)
I love that my boyfriend shaves everywhere. I never knew that it was a thing I was super into until we started dating lol. It's so cute, cause he'll just be rubbing his smooth body, saying "so soft" quietly to himself. I'd say "just shave your tummy? (or whatever he's touching)", and he'd just smile happily and nod. It's precious. I love him so much.
Yessss. I also don’t think we talk enough about how pedophilic the beauty standards have become. No hair, soft/high pitched voice, frilly lacy clothing, innocent act, even the “big eyes” is more childlike than not, we’re supposed to be small-short and thin and perfect smooth skinned. It’s kinda nasty when you realize I just described a child 💀
my parents are middle eastern so I was given the "thick dark hair" gene. I cant tell you how many times I was made fun of in elementary and middle school for my huge eyebrows. now, in 10th grade all I see on Instagram is people getting eyebrows tattooed and penciled on. body hair is a wild thing yall
Omg. Same. I'm not middle Eastern but Mediterranean and I used to hate how thicc my eyebrows where and then it became a trend. Strong eyebrow squad where you at 😤
Yes! Same! My natural brows are very dark and thick. I was so embarrassed in middle school because my mom wouldn't let me touch them. This was in early 2000s when thin brows were really popular (ex, Pam Anderson, Christina Aguilera, etc). Now that big brows are in, I literally have had strangers walk up to me to tell me they like my brows 😂
Omg samee. I'm half Turkish and I hate the fact that I'm hairy. I've got no propblem with my facial hair it's just the body hair that I don't like about my self. Since I'm also a swimmer I just shave it off because it causes so much drag in the water.
same im not middle Eastern or anything im a British, part Spanish girl with very thick dark hair everyone loves my hair and eyebrows bit my legs, people are like eww your legs are so hairy, 🥴🙄
I remember when I stopped shaving for the first time, one reason was that I realized I had no idea what my body hair actually looked like, because I hadn’t seen it since 13 or so. When it grew out, I was surprised by how non-shocking it was. It really wasn’t anything like male body hair which I think is the root fear for us as young women....we want to maximize sexual dysmorphia in order to maximize attractiveness, that together with the Neotony preference in our society’s men in the last century and it makes a lot of sense that we were so scared of hair. I lived abroad for some years when I had just turned 20 and where I lived women did not shave at all. It became my norm, and then I moved to Hawaii where similarly the combination of local culture and the endless stream of hippies visiting for protracted vacations normalized my non-shaving even further. Then I had daughters and when my eldest was about one I was still shaving my armpits but I started thinking about the example I was setting for her as to what was expected of her and my subconscious reinforcement of these unnatural social norms by participating in hair removal. I didn’t want her growing up thinking there was anything wrong with her body hair. So I stopped completely, I haven’t shaven a single bit of my body since then. Yesterday, my daughter expressed excitement about having hair on her legs like mine and how it will be a mark of her being grown up. I was beaming to know that I had instilled her with confidence about her body hair, rather than shame.
Yeah, some women grow fine body hair. But some don’t. Just like how different men have different amounts of body hair, women have different amounts of body hair. I don’t shave and my leg hair is darker, thicker, and more copious than some of my male friends. But that’s because I’m on the “hairer” side for women, and they have relatively little hair for a man.
i’ve always hated the concept of “do this specific thing or NO ONE will date you!” like first of all that’s not even true and second of all why would i want to do something i wouldn’t normally do just so i can appeal to someone who wants that? why do i need to care about what someone like that thinks of me? why would i even want to date someone judgmental like that in the first place?
i literally can't shave due to severe eczema, and i was so happy when my boyfriend told me he didn't care and that i was beautiful, with my hair and eczema and not in spite of it. to clarify i don't have "soft cute hair"- it is really dark and thick. i don't even like it, but every time i say it's ugly he tells me it's due to medical stuff and i'm still beautiful.
@@midnightmist2358 someone is misinformed or working off outdated info. My dermatologist told me not to shave or use anything exfoliating because I also have eczema. Even without being told that, I'd notice flare ups after shaving, and shaving badly broken out eczema hurts too. I'm so glad my husband doesn't mind (he prefers the feeling of shaved skin, but isn't grossed out by hair). I have dark hair and pale skin so there's no hiding it either lol.
That's a keeper right there. My husband would prefer my legs shaved because he loves the feel of my skin but he doesn't mind when my legs are hairy...he runs his hand down them anyway. When they love us, they really do love ALL of us.
Same! My bf has really sparse hair that he often shaves compared to mine as well, which is much thicker. As a teen I was super self conscious, but now I don't care, and neither does he.
I was 13 when I first started to feel the pressure, a boy pointed out I had hair on my hands and he asked another girl whether she had hair there and she said no, and acted as if it was disgusting.I'm 14 and I have never worn a t-shirt since because I feel disgusted by my own self, its a horrible feeling.
Sudan Pray for sudan im so sorry!!! i hope you can learn to embrace your body.. i garuntee you will be happier when you do! i promise you are very beautiful with hair or no hair!!!!
i'm really sorry you have to go through that!!!! i know how it feels. i've been bullied for about 5 years bc of my body hair, ppl used to call me names that until now hunt me til this day i don't use shirts that can show my back hair even tho i'm in a much better place with ppl who don't care about it.
Don't listen to them, when I was in middle school the same happened to me, now I'm 18 and I still have traumas because of that, legitimate the worst and I also used cover myself with sweaters because I felt embarrassed but I can tell you something, embrace it and show who you are, don't let them hurt you because most of them are so inmature that is not worth listening to them, and if you decide you want to shave is fine as well, at the end it only matters if you feel comfortable and happy like that, sorry for my bad English
Gurl.. be proud of ur hairy arms.. my friends and I literally measured it with a scale to see who had the longest..mine was about 2 cm.. we like boasting about our mushtaches too.. it's really funny... I can't do anything with my indian gene..if I had to wax then I'd have to dip my whole body and my face.. that's not something I'm willing to do..I can't even imagine my hands looking like a pig's... We are humans....and humans have body hair.. girls are no exception.. Love your body hair.. you can do whatever you want.. you don't need to be pushed into the depths of peer pressure and do something you don't want to... Ps. I'm 15 too
I really wanna talk about the connotations of words like "clean" "hygienic" "healthy" being associated with hairlessness, as if having hair has the opposite meanings. I'm glad you talked about doing what makes you comfortable AND considering what your partner wants if you want them consider what you want - doing and considering in this case tend to oppose each other, and I feel like that's a struggle that happens to women.
@@paulinemoira8442 I find it interesting that you assume people choosing not to remove something they don't need to remove could be a sign of laziness... Washing oneself and brushing teeth are hygienic activities that are very beneficial for the body to avoid certain diseases and overgrowth of harmful bacteria, while shaving doesn't achieve those things at all. In fact, most body hair, specifically pubic hair, often can aid in preventing disease/infection in the body. It's telling that you made that comment instead of saying something like "seeing hair removal makes me worry that people are potentially wasting their time and that means they may waste their time in other areas of life too". The statements are almost exactly similar in justification, but the reasoning behind your choice is clear: we have been conditioned to see shaving as a necessary part of hygiene upkeep because that is what keeps these industries making money. Scientifically there is no necessary reason to remove body hair. It's advertising sunk into societal shaming, and it can be damaging to peoples' self-esteems about their bodies in a natural state.
@@paulinemoira8442 I think you missed the point. The fact that you automatically think of other hygiene things that they may not do shows that you think of shaving as a hygiene routine, which it is not. Hair is not unhygienic in itself. If i told you that i don't paint my nails anymore because i am too lazy, would you also think I'm too lazy too wash myself etc? Probably not because painting your nails is seen as an aesthetic choice, not a hygiene thing.
@@leonor29292 But with basic hygiene you're not going to smell even with body hair. And does that mean all men who don't shave their legs and armpits are gross/ unhygienic too?
Aside from armpits' hair(that intensifies the sweat odor, because the hair absorbs it) all the rest of body hair does only good, by protecting the skin from friction, clothes etc... especially pubic hair. Shaving pubic hair is not only harmful for the skin but also very un-hygenic, leaving the delicate skin without defenses against clothes, sweat and underwear.
That's just how most people see body hair, it's really a horrible feeling stroking or having your leg stroked and having hair all over it, it's such a nasty feeling.
If you cover this topic again, you might be interested to add into the discussion the whole issue of women be forcibly shaved while in labor, a practice that resulted in tons of infections and a lot of PAINFUL regrowth issues in already traumatized flesh. That has luckily become “non-best practices” in the last decade (though there are still paternalistic old school OBs that do it) but women often still feel shame about what their pubic hair will look like to passing medical interns as they are bringing new life into the world. Seriously, on mothering forums there is endless chatter about how to shave in preparation for birth, tips for overcoming physical limitations (it’s actually really difficult to shave your pubic hair with a beach ball belly blocking the view) whether their husband should shave them, how offended the doctor will be if they haven’t shaven etc etc. it’s a cause of considerable worry and thought at a time when a soon to be new mom should be free to relax and focus on her impending life changes. It’s terrible.
AleB your doctor was right, and if I was to guess I say they are likely younger than 45 or at least very interested in keeping their knowledge up to date. Sadly many Drs prefer sticking to what they know, even when it has been flatly disproven.
I've always felt jealous of blond people who have soft, light hair and barely anything on their face or arms. I have european skin genes and latin hair genes, so I've got thick, long, dark hair all over. Your video made me think about how not only are societal expectations for body hair a gender thing, they're also a race thing. It's unfair to hold everyone to a Caucasian standard just like it's unfair to hold everyone to a "masculine"/"feminine" standard.
I'm white af but my hair is super thick and so brown it's pretty much black. I feel like I really drew the short straw for hair genes and since I'm so pale the hair shows up really easily
It's not even a caucasian standard, but rather a north-european standard. A lot of caucasian people from south europe are quite dark with dark thick hair, myself included.
@@theflutefreak Most of europeans and caucasians have dark hair, only in 2-3 countries the lighter gene is prevalent. Plus it depends on the undertones, since even blonde people can have dark body hair and dark haired people can have light colored body hair(like me). It really has nothing to do with race.
TheFlutefreak Meh I don’t really think this one has to do with race. It’s just too varied. I have a blonde friend who had dark thick hair and while I have dark thick hair on my head my body hair is lighter and more thin. I’ve just seen wayyyyyyy too much variation to think it’s a race thing. I mean obviously it’ll play some sort of role because genetics but I don’t think it’s that significant. Even with my parents. My mom is half french (so half white) and half Haitian and she has super thin light body hair but my dad who’s 100% Haitian and is more dark skin also has really light hair. I think it moreso has to do with hormone levels especially during puberty and that’s slightly random
I'm a guy but i get this. Society judges women way to harshly for their appearance, where as men, even if they're a two, can exceed in other factors as job, wealth, power ,social status, to make make up for their looks. Doesn't work that way for women, when a woman exceeds in all these other factors, her dating pool even gets smaller. Society places a woman's value solely on her looks/body. Have learnt about this in psychology. We still have a long way to go.
Oh my lord- thankyou thankyou thankyou. As someone who is still in secondary school the secret judgment when we go to the pool is horrible. I hate shaving and my family really dont see it necessary so I just dont and some girls get so offended with what I do with MY body.
@@vicdrose Don't give even one shit about what other people think of your choice, they don't own you. They do not know you and they have no right to tell you what to do
I just rewatched your feminism in advertising video and you should do an internet analysis on the "girl boss" RUclipsr culture. There are a lot of college youtubers these days that come from very privileged backgrounds and therefore don't have to pay for their schooling, rent, etc. They equate the luxury of their disposable youtube income and financial support with hard work and earned success. They also preach these so-called girl boss things like going to an expensive coffee shop to do work everyday, having separate gym memberships when their school gym is already free, and crossing "get nails done!" off the to-do lists in their $75 planners. I think this is extremely problematic mostly because they're influencing their younger viewers in the way that they would think that being a girl boss means buying starbucks everyday. Love these videos by the way Tiff! You've definitely found your niche!
@@tiffanyferg Tiffany, almost all of the issues in these video topics you're covering can be traced back to the damaging effects of capitalism, in which the economic system prioritizes wealth over human need, and the imbalances, inequities, and standards/conditioning that follow as a result... If you haven't looked into it yet, I urge you (and everyone, honestly) to watch this documentary about our economic system and feminism ("Who's Counting? Marilyn Waring on Sex, Lies and Global Economics") I feel like it'd be really to your liking!! It made a huge impact in my own life. Content warning: some mention of pedophilia towards the second half www.nfb.ca/film/whos_counting/
I've grown out all my body hair and shaved some parts at different intervals. But I can't help but feel bothered by people saying that they shave because it "makes them feel sexy/good/etc". Not because I don't think people should have autonomy over their body hair, but because it seems like the only reason it feels sexy is because we've been culturally brainwashed into thinking hairless = sexy. People say it's just their personal preference, but the influence of culture is so ingrained. I just wish grown out hair v. shaved could be seen as completely equal.
Samantha McKinsey i’ve had my armpits grown out since i was 17 but i do shave my legs when i want to look nice because i unlike some people don’t think my leg hair looks nice grown out. it’s patchy and the hairs are scraggly and my legs get SIGNIFICANTLY more dry when i don’t shave even if i moisturizer etc. so yes i do shave my legs to feel more sexy because it is objectively more attractive then dry, scraggly looking leg hair. however i’ll never shave my armpits because that also makes me feel incredibly sexy.
Samantha McKinsey I personally love to shave because I just loveeee the feeling of smooth skin (although a lot of the time my laziness overrides the need to feel smooth skin) but it also bothers me when people say they shave just to feel sexy cause like you said, the only reason they feel that way is because we’re conditioned to so it’s kind of a catch-22 really. Like I only have one other friend who keeps it bare simply because she likes the actual feeling. Everyone else always says it makes them feel sexy or do it for men.
I tend to agree, but then I’m also trying to think of other “cultural brainwashing” that we are all under... like it’s “gross” to belch loudly in public... that it’s unacceptable to hit on your sister’s boyfriend... that it’s not okay to stand up and shout in the middle of a crowded theater. We have some agreed upon foundations of social acceptability, many of which don’t involve doing any harm to anyone or are somewhat arbitrary rules around how we behave. I think that some things really are that deeply ingrained that they’re pretty much unquestionable, and for every person those threshold might be slightly different. I think for some people, seeing (or having) body hair on women is equivalent to farting loudly in public or wearing skimpy lingerie to a formal occasion... kind of unquestionably not-okay, no matter how nonsensical or arbitrary it might be. Do social norms HAVE to dictate our behavior? Of course not. But in MOST situations, adhering to the social norms is the easier route, and diverging from them requires a certain amount of courage to face down some pretty deeply, deeply ingrained negativity.
shaving makes me feel good because i’m use to the feeling of hairless skin of when I was younger. Also, my mom doesn’t let me shave at all. So, it feels nice to break (what i think is) a stupid rule.
Yeah, I wish people would stop saying shit like "I support anyone's right to do what they want with their body hair, BUT I personally find it gross/unhygienic/not sexy etc". It still adds stigma to growing it out, while pretending to be woke. No I'm not saying you have to stop shaving, you're just not being helpful in the conversation.
Recently a boy in my friend group said to me at my lunch table in front of all my friends, "You know you have a mustache, right?" This sent me home crying about it to my mom that afternoon. And this wasn't the only time he's commented about it! I've always had a slightly darker fuzz on my upper lip and a lot of body hair in other places. I've been gradually coming to terms with my body but the hair aspect of it is harder for me to accept due to the stupid pressures and "normalcies" of our society. However I've just recently decided to stop shaving my legs for an extended period of time and I'm even going to try my armpits because I'll be off for two weeks for spring break anyways so why not? I've always been self conscious about my body hair and I'm glad there are other people out here that can relate to me
One of my sociology profs brought up how our society puts ‘man’ in front of certain words to soften the reaction to ‘unmasculine’ things. Hegemonic masculinity is so engrained into our way of life that men don’t feel comfortable displaying any sort of feminine quality (bc our society doesn’t allow them to), so saying man bun or even male nurse creates a situation that cushions fragile masculinity and allows them to practice an unmasculine task without as much push back. Putting ‘man’ in front of something is also a good indication that the thing goes against our hegemonic masculinity definition (bc we feel the need to mark it as masculine)
@Jeremy Jones Why do you have an issue with someone being analytical and critical about society? I'd much rather overthink something than lack the critical thinking involved in going outside my area of comfort and actually reflecting on my worldview and the world around me... :/
@Jeremy Jones How did that give you the impression that they're talking about a patriarchy that women are treated as slaves? They're talking about really basic knowledge. Saying it's just a joke is a very very simplistic way of seeing things. Companies use a marketing technique, with all those examples given in the video and others (all that "shampoos for men", "man soap" etc), simple because it works, not to joke around. To think some people think that even hygiene is feminine! Do you have that knee jerk reaction to disbelieve anything feminist sounding? If so, please take your hands off your ears, you might actually learn something new
The reason "man" is used so often is because it is a word that can stand in place of human. For example, the word "mankind" is a word used to differentiate between animals and humans. Most (80% to 90%) nurses are female, so saying "male nurse" specifies that it a nurse who is a man because people assume automatically that it will be a woman. Same goes for man bun. Men wearing buns isn't a common thing because mostly women wear buns. Men's hair is often not grown out long enough to get that hairstyle, so it is an oddity that made people specify that the bun is on a man. Most people don't take the word "man-bun" seriously anyway.
I stopped shaving everything this year as a high school senior, and I couldn't believe how even my own friends were repulsed by it. That doesn't stop me from saving water and time and energy though, I don't want to shave anything ever again.
Scarlet Rose when i was in the 5th grade my dad took me to get a shot for school that unfortunately had to be on my butt. while being done my dad tells me i have a hairy butt. THANKS DAD.
Same here, it’s so liberating now having to shave! It helps that I realized I’m gay and Now don’t care about what men think, I probably unfortunately would still shave if I was straight
I remember when I was much younger and going thru puberty, my puberty book talked about shaving (for women) as if it was just as necessary as using pads or tampons during your period. Yet, I was really confused as to why my brother didn't shave, if it was such a a necessity?
Once a boy said to me (after waxing my facial hair) : okay, now you're "good enough" for being kissed. I was 13... And somehow these things shape us and the way we see ourselves. It sucks.
I have really Bad acne and like everyone expects me to wear Makeup but i hate it. So i just geht comments all the time. I thought we'd be over that past highschool. But No, apparently not
I remember once in high school my science teacher was talking about how the combination of shaving your armpits and using regular deodorant (with aluminium, which there were basically no alternatives to at the time, at least not that worked) could increase the risk of some types of cancer, and several of the girls in my class went on about how that was just a risk that they'd have to take bc the idea of not shaving was completely horrifying to them. We live in a society where young women would rather risk getting cancer than have body hair bc it is considered "unattractive"... something is deeply fucked up here.
There is no actual scientific evidence linking cancer to aluminium or deodorant. It's pretty sad that your science teacher was spreading misinformation instead of teaching you how to understand science.
What I don't like is equating hairlessness with hygiene. Having hair doesn't make you unclean! Anyway personally speaking, obviously within tidy reason, I feel leagues more sexually empowered and confident when I keep hair down there. Luckily, I've never had a partner that has been passionate about lady hairlessness.
I think part of that idea that hair is unhygienic comes from the fact that lice can live in hair so in ancient times certain cultures would shave to prevent getting any form of lice. Having hair can also promote more bacteria to breed and cause odor more easily so in times when people didn't bathe regularly it could cause problems.
I think my main issue with the whole shaving debate is the idea that any choice women make is a feminist one. I am a feminist and I shave my legs. But does that make the actual *act* of shaving your legs a feminist action? No! It's not refuting patriarchal standards, it's adhering to them. That's not to say I'm a bad or weak person for shaving my legs, but it shouldn't be labelled as "brave" to do so. Just like not everything that an environmentalist does is instantly considered eco-friendly, not everything a feminist does is a feminist action.
When I was a kid, I dead ass thought that women didn't grow body hair and was actually low-key shocked when I started to
Danielle Murray i went through the same thing and started believing i was supposed to be born a male.
honestly same, and its sad.
When I was younger I found it baffling that people shaved. Like Tiff said in the video. Children are the ones with no hair so I never understood why grown women shaved to look like children? Like isn't it more mature to have hair?
Ikr!!! I was shocked when i realized women have also hair on their backs, tummy and breasts! i hate society :/
DUDE SAME. All the women i saw on tv and media in general were always pretty and hairless so i just thought women didnt have hair, or if they did it was really small but nope, here i am, going like 3 months without shaving and my legs look like a forest
Body hair is so unwanted that even shaving blades/stripes commercials show women with no body hair 😪
Yup
ikr like what are they even shaving on those hairless women
That’s why I like the brand Billie’s add campaign. There’s one that shows someone’s toe hair and it’s like “because no one’s talking about it” a breath a fresh air really. Another where they are like if you even want to shave with our razor lmao
Well Billie made an ad with REAL body hair so yay for them.
For real, I would pay attention to the body hair ads if they showed the ladies shaving fricking like, idk, inch long leg hair instead of like a 0.00000000001 mm “leg hair”
Like, WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU SHAVING???? IT LITERALLY JUST SKIN?? it’s not even prickly-
Shaving for men is usually advertised as improving their life in some way (get the best shave) but shaving for women is advertised as avoiding shame, embarrassment, conforming to standards of hygiene and being acceptable to men.
Dang...good point
Mate stop lying lmfao. I'm literally watching ads about women shaving and no mentions of shame. It does mention the same things mentioned to a man - get the best shave. So why lie?
@@jonathanxavier2026 are they really lying or are you just blind to facts you see everyday.
@@jonathanxavier2026 there's a load of ads going like 'woman on the beach', 'woman on the run to an appointment' then they stop dead in their tracks, eyes of fear/embarrassment and then they shave their legs, sitting on a bathtub like a cartoon goddess. So....
@@jonathanxavier2026 You know that the ads about women's shaving products never show hairy skin, everytime the girls is shaving an already smooth leg
I don’t understand the “unhygenic” argument at all. What makes it more unhygenic for women than for men?
and like it's literally more hygienic to have body hair bc it protects your skin
@@laurabelacqua9064 Also body hair under your arms tends to protect against the bacteria that causes smell
@@den2335 Then if it smell, that's dirty
Meh. No one is born smelling roses and flower at any time xD
It's unhygienic for both, but for men it has the benefit or at least looking masculine. Men have to do this bizarre balancing act because what's masculine is often not what's seen as a attractive. For women life is simple as attractiveness and femininity, at least on an aesthetic level, are always one in the same.
Idk maybe women are perceived to be 'cleaner' than men XD (jk I don't make sense)
I love how everyone's argument is ''it's unhygienic'' yet the literal reason why your body grows hair is to protect it from getting dirt and other things on certain areas;; like go off if you want but do a little research
saturn *:・゚ in armpits it smells less, but yes pubic hair and leg, arm hair is for protecting you
Ignorance regarding this is just funny at this point to me. I feel like if you are uneducated to that extent, you shouldn't even have an opinion on it... but I'm also kind of an asshole for thinking that I guess. I don't know, I knew that the purpose of hair was for protection since I was a kid and I asked out of curiosity of why the fuck do we have eyebrows to my mom haha
YES
Not to mention the hygiene argument is disproportionately applied to women and men being "gross" is more normal
having pubes actually reduces the chance of getting an infection. It' strue!
I'm a lesbian and something I've noticed is how the conversation about body hair is centered about men feel. It's a lot of "no man will will ever date you."
Yep, I'm bisexual and my ex girlfriends couldn't give a damn about my leg hair or "too lazy to shave" weeks (or months, in the winter). Men on the other hand.. Oh jeez.
I absolutely hate that the perception or value of a woman is seen as “what does a man think of her” it makes me sad :(
Is it bad that this is one of the reasons I prefer women??? Like bruh so many guys care that I don’t shave my legs and stuff like brooooo let me be
Christina G it is INFURIATING.
..which is not even true
My boyfriend once saw my legs unshaven and went “bro they look like mine. That’s so cool I didn’t know they did that”
His heart was in the right place for sure, but it was so weird thinking that girls are so grossed out by the fact that they grow hair that he had never met a woman who had any at all
That sounds sad but also the situation would probably make me laugh based on how you described it. He sounds sweet, if a little socially awkward.
Celalec he is sweet, it was really funny 😂😂 he didn’t think it was gross or act rude, so we both thought it was hilarious
That's awesome. It feels so great when you have someone in your life who doesn't mind the fact that you indeed are a human. A big confidence booster i bet.
Awww so cute
"I didn't know they did that" 😂 lol why was that cute
and as soon as you don't shave its a "PoLiTicaL StAtEmEnT" when its literally a non-behaviour. Like dude I’m not actively rebelling..I just can’t be bothered.
Yeah like, why do they care?
Lol it's current year. EVERYTHING has to be a political statement. Because just existing is not valid apparently
It's because women's bodies in general are politicized, which is stupid but that's unfortunately the society we live in. It's crazy to think that the natural state of a woman's body is seen as political (or even manly, despite women also naturally having body hair).
Hahaha, exactly! It is a non-behaviour!
The same for me not wearing makeup. I don't really know how to respond to "why you don't shave?" or "why you don't wear makeup?" .... I just don't do it haha, I just don't have a reason to do it. Also, why do people care?
my dad told me i was disgusting for having armpit hairs, then told my brother he was 'gay' for shaving his armpit
oof that sucks
my dad mocked me too for having armpit and leg hair, like “i’m just stuck at home, why do i have to look aesthetically pleasing for you?”
@@FruityHachi ikr
@@FruityHachi nice profile picture 💚
@@hoboerenisbestwifuinaot4927 Whoa that’s creepy AF your dad telling you what to do with your pubic hair...
Just realized how many people I've heard say "my body my choice" when talking about abortion etc but be grossed out by unshaven legs or armpits
Aisling _oof_
Wouldn't "my body my choice" mean I choose if I want to shave or not. Some people who go with that belief are complete hypocrites. Like THEY can have their own opinion and beliefs but I can't?
The difference is that it is a choice. You don't have to cheer people on just let them do what they want
I don’t really get this line of thinking that you have. Pls correct me if I’m wrong, this is just my thoughts on the matter. Women can 100% be pro choice, and still think that body hair is gross. They can still think that women have the CHOICE to shave or not shave, but they can still personally find it gross themselves. For instance, many women I know are pro choice, but would NEVER themselves get an abortion. They just think that women have the right to CHOOSE. I believe it is a similar view on the subject of shaving. Just because you believe that someone should be completely in control of their own body doesn’t mean you have to personally like everything that they then choose to do with it.
@@hommefataltaemin Absolutely. You can't control what you're grossed out by. It's not hypocritical to be tolerant, because tolerance is when you don't fully agree with something yet respect people's right to do it if it harms no one, opposed to accepting something you previously didn't agree with as most people seem to think. Assuming others are telling you what to choose/do if they're voicing a negative opinion about something you happen to choose/do means your life and choices are largely dictated by what others think and you want those of others to be dictated by what you think. That type of people feel like there is only place in this world for one opinion and everything that differs from it is harmful in one shape or another.
I personally don't like bodily hair on anyone, I've physically gagged a few times when I have been in bikini and noticed I left out a hair or two on my bikini line. I didn't choose to, I just did as a reflex. I also find facial hair repulsive (with the exception of maybe a goatee if the person looks good with it) and bodily hair too, especially on the armpits and the chest, turns me off immediately. That, however, doesn't mean I give two fucks about whether or not someone I have absolutely no intentions of hooking up with has any sort of hair on them. Sure, it will disgust me if it's overgrown armpit hair, but so do many things every day for every single person. You can't expect to fit everyone's standards and there isn't a single one-fits-all solution.
It's interesting how a standard men is generally "natural". No makeup, no shaving etc but a standard for women is to deviate from the natural. A natural woman is either gross or not trying hard enough. Even the natural occurrence of getting periods is gross and undesirable to men.
python java also straight men (obviously generalising but still) tend to say they’re attracted to “natural” looking girls over the instagram makeup aesthetic but that actually means the “no makeup makeup look” which... isn’t natural at all. it’s weird thinking about how women have to exist in this space where what’s often expected is to spend so much time and money to look effortlessly perfect
I agree with u
gjaddajg the ignorant male complex is clearly stronger
!!!!!!!!! This!
@@mhj4 Speaking as a dude, we don't really see much of the no makeup look day to day. That's probably a reason why some of us think it's weird as we don't see it much at all. Though personally I still feel repulsed by city-folk makeup(a lot more than country-folk).
I just feel bad for those 12 year olds who don’t wanna do it but feel like they HAVE to do it, and feel super self conscious about it. I don’t do it, but when I was younger it was hell for me. Not to mention that every time people see my hairy legs or armpits they instantly assume that I’m an crazy feminist and think they know all about my “extreme” political ideology
That’s why winter is my fav season cuz I don’t have to shave every day. Summer I still prefer to wear long pants and long shirts. It’s honestly a nuisance why shave when no one is going to see those parts of you?
I’m 12 and I just try to wear long socks.
yeah this sucks so baad
since i was 11 i've been waxing bc if i shave it just grows the next day and i have a whole lot of body hair everywhere
summer sucks bc i "can't" wear clothes that shows my back or my belly
When I was 11, I remember when changing my clothes to go to PE my friends kept talking about how smooth their legs were for some reason. They then looked over to me and said stuff about how hairy my legs were and how I should shave....and that’s how I first got my insecurity about my leg hair 😌
it's crazy to see that if you dare to do what you want, then you're instantly an extreme feminist
Also I feel like there is an “acceptable” level of body hair that mainstream media/advertising will show to try and prove they are feminist and care about equality but not all women have blonde, thin or short body hair.
Yesssssss
Yes, and also you can only have body hair if you're thin and otherwise conventionally beautiful.
Why do people think that body hair is disgusting and unnatural? Your body is growing it for a reason...
The only body hair that is disgusting is armpit hair because it stinks.
Leg hair. Smells like nothing.
I trim “under there” because it tends to be very itchy at times...
ORE THE ULTIMATE SHOT SLAYER 69 So your armpits stop stinking when you shave it? I haven’t shaved my armpits in years and I don’t remember my armpits smelling any better when they were shaved
So you have no issues with men growing out their facial hair. There must be a reason it's growing there. Better not walk around demanding men shave their face.
@@digitmidget6973 I don't know what ya'll are doing but armpit hair doesn't smell unless you don't wash it properly. It has no reason to smell unless you sweat excessively and don't clean it properly. I actually find it better with hair because I don't sweat as much versus being cleanly shaved. But unless you have a problem armpit hair doesn't smell
imagine being six and already being criticized for your hairy legs 😔 i hate this world
I actually was. All my friends didn't have any hair, so they made fun of me for having some.
L.201 same
a boy called me a monkey when I was in 2nd grade and I remember coming home & crying and I asked my mom to buy me a razor & let me shave but she said no lol
Min Yoongles when i was a kid all the guys used to point out that i had more hair than them. One day i tried to use my moms razor to shave and i cut my arm bad. I was 8
I never wear short sleeves EVER. I always wear long sleeves because I'm so hairy and my arms are covered in coarse, black, long hair. My legs too...
Another response to hair being unattractive could be.... Why do I have to be attractive to you? lol
Right?? Randos really think that their opinion should matter to you
i love that! will remember that.
That's my girlfriend. She has hairy legs that I'm attracted to but not others.
Right? Like who tf are you? I live for myself and I live to love myself, not make women and men find me attractive
@@arcane1282 generally, I’d say do it because attractive women have immense privilege in society. But if you want to handicap yourself and be treated like a dude, good for you. Maybe it’ll build character.
As a girl, I personally HATE armpit hair on men. (It mainly stems from doing a lot of sport growing up and seeing boys with armpit hair matted with sweat- ughghg just thinking about it makes me nauseous) Despite this, I show no reaction whenever any of my male friends/strangers walk around with their hairy armpits on display because it's so normalised. If women who hate hairy armpits on men have to endure it (which I think is right because ultimately it's their own choice) I don't see why men can't buck up and do the same
EXACTLY!!! I have always hated any sort of body hair on me, men/women/* insert gender* , with the exception of eyebrows, eye lashes, and the hair growing from the scalp. I don't mind if other people don't shave (their body, their choice), I won't avoid them or anything, I just won't find them attractive, (I'm bi btw)...
Totally agree. I can’t help but dislike body hair in general, with a couple specific exceptions. The problem is that I’m a pretty hairy guy, and the older I get, the more prominent it becomes. The upside is that I can rock a beard, but the downside is that everything else is that much more noticeable
Both genders should shave their armpits, and if they don't wanna shave their body then they could wear pants or something.
As a male, I agree, it isn’t all that comfortable
Same I would see guys with deodorant matted hair under their pits..and it was gross af...but because it was normalized no one says anything....so why can't guys do the same for us... because guys get grossed out alot more easily than women do, you have to be delicate around them and stroke their egos, and make them feel like a big boy!
My sports teacher made fun of my hairy legs and was laughing about it with other male teachers. I was 15 or something. I had tears in my eyes and didn't speak to anyone for the whole day.
Shweta Srivastava that’s absolutely horrible! They shouldn’t be allowed to teach, I’m sorry that happened :((
Shweta Srivastava just sad how grown ass men have to tear down LITERALLY children for NO REASON AT ALL...
I often tell my dad that I hate this world and when he asks why, I tell him “because I’m a woman.”
Shweta that's horrible.
I remember in my school girls were already waxing hair by 8 class.
I never did
I hate that that happened to you. THat was so wrong of them
omg i'm so sorry! you don't deserve that. my experience wasn't as embarrassing but i didnt shave my armpits one day, and this boy called me gross. he constantly made fun of me for it everyday, and he just didn't get it. one day he told my "boyfriend" that and i was so ashamed. i made sure to never wear a shirt that could possibly show body hair.
Personally, I like the smooth feel and velvety everything. But, if you pressure me to shave, it's no shave November
Oh my goodness same 😂
or no shave september
Same!
guys have no nut november... we have no shave september
@@mel.0dy I am lazy, I push it off for a month
I'll never forget how my friend's mum walked in on us talking about trying out shaving creams when we were 13 or so. This incredible sage just said: "Girls, honestly, do what you want, but if you EVER have a boyfriend and he complains about a bit of stubble on your legs, ditch him, he's not the one!" Little did I know I had just received some of the most valuable advice of my life.
I am the 200th person who like your comment
If you're willing to ditch your boyfriend simply because he complains for stubble on your leg, then you don't deserve to be in a relationship.
@@iamthewell A guy who complains about body hair doesn't deserve to be in a relationship.
@@kaiser1295 Yes, they do. It's those who break up over complaining who don't deserve it. Every couple argues. If she is too immature to handle that, then she should have never had a relationship to begin with.
@@iamthewellpeople argue about problems or differences in values, but arguing over how someones body should be is simply unacceptable. if a boy cannot handle a womans natural body then he simply does not deserve her
I worked as a swim instructor and women employees had to meet mandatory "hygiene standards" of shaving like armpit hair on women is going to harm the children or something
I just wore a swim shirt hehehe
I hope the male employees who had never shaved their armpits/legs before were all immediately fired for being unhygienic 🙃
That is insane.
they should've made men do it too
That’s idiotic
The weirdest thing is how hair in the exact same spot on a man and a woman can be considered SO differently. Armpit hair on women = unhygienic. Armpit hair on men = no problem. HOW?! Seriously, one thing is what you think personally, but hair is in NO way more or less hygienic if it's on a man or woman's body.
The major argument for shaving for women is that hair traps the smell. How come men who do much more physical activity specifically athletes aren’t seen as gross ?
Exactly. Also when women have lots of hair on their body it’s ‘gross’ but when they have lots on their head it’s fine. Like they both get washed. In fact, most people don’t wash the hair on their head anyway. Yet it’s less gross than on your body which probably gets washed alot more.
DarthYuYevon well, I have a lesbian friend and her girlfriend hates body hair, she has to shave everything, even her arms, meanwhile my boyfriend has no problem with my body hair (and I’m the hairiest woman I know) so hair aversion can come with any sexual preference
Armpit hair freaks me out, woman or man.
Yeah, Ive heard people say it "traps a smell" but I feel like it wouldn't be a huge issue if you shower everyday and wear deoderant (plus I dont know if its even true)
i totally thought the sponsor was gonna be dollar shave club
LMAOOOO imagine
That would have been amazing🤣🤣
Are you talking about shoeonhead? That june woman is a crazy bitch
audrey burke same here😭😂
@@Ash-dj5ph shoe on head needs to leave yt already
So here I am, looking at these “shaving doesn’t hurt, so you might as well...” comments, sitting here with another huge cut on my leg from shaving 🩸🪒
Yah
Can’t count the number of scars I’ve got because of that. Not even talking about the pain of epilating and ingrown hairs.
alaskaxx wait wtf I never knew there was a red droplet emoji
🩸oh I found it omg never mind o.0
not to mention how expensive razors are and how much bigger an area we have to shave so they get used up faster
Ikr
If you want to keep shaving you could use an electric razor. It doesn't hurt and is a million times better for the environment.
"Let me respond and tell you what I find unattractive about you" I may love that woman a little.
Ikr, mad respect
these ppl make no sense. how is body hair “unhygienic” but the hair on your head can be as long as you want? oh bc you can wash your hair but...somehow not your body hair?? do they know how dumb they sound?
Hair on ur head can only be long if ur blonde and have straight hair
707 um is this sarcasm?
707 wat?
Evolution must make no sense then, because humans and our primate ancestors have been losing body hair but not head hair for 1.7 million years.
It's literally more hygienic to not shave. Like, it's there for a reason.
I used to date a guy who was grossed out by my armpit hair and yet his own armpit hair was fine??? what a hypocrite
Tbh I'm grossed out by my own armpit hair and other's too. Lmao.
Men think it's masculine because more hair signifies more testosterone or something, even though armpit hair is the same on both genders. Complexes and insecurities are so not sexy.
@@mimp3486 For some reason armpit hair is YUCK to me.
We are all weirdos who like and dislike weird things.
Jo Jo agreed
What a douche. My current bf shaves his armpits by choice but never forced me to, got lucky I guess
Can we open up a discussion about hair in private areas?
It hurts shaving it down there, uncomfortable too. Yet we apparently have to do that to please porn-loving guys, who would never go through that for us.
(not about everybody, just putting it out there)
It's hurts so fckn bad, to show my bf how it feels I shaved him and now he's all for body hair lmaoo, women are magic
It’s literally the worst feeling ever. It’s so goddamn irritating!!
and like, 5 o'clock shadow growing down there is just so sexy, amirite
@beep boop it won't stop you from dating don't worry, many women don't shave or wax and have a good dating life. Body hair can be an idiot filter because all the dumbasses who think it's "gross" for you to be yourself will be repulsed and only the good ones will stay
I also hate the feeling of shaved armpits- I just dont like it..ive had girls stare at me during p.e but I dont want uncomfy pits so they can keep on staring lmao
I hate the argument that ‘shaving doesn’t hurt’. I have thick hair genes. Where most people have one hair per follicle, I have two-three. Shaving/waxing (downstairs especially) is extremely painful. Many follicles become red and ingrown within a day, I literally have pry each hair out of my own skin, which causes scarring. a panicked teenage me went to the nhs website to see what I could do about it, and the only treatment they had was to ‘stop shaving/waxing’.
That solution made me want to cry honestly.
Rom yes
I have this as well. It’s called Pili Multigemini and it’s in my bikini area. I have a very high pain tolerance, but waxing/sugaring was excruciating. Shaving is impossible because of folliculitis that was also painful and I’d be left with redness and what looked like tiny zits. I’d be ok the day I shaved but weeks after that it was brutal. It made it very hard to plan anything pool/beach related in public. And the ingrown hairs with both waxing and shaving were brutal. I bought everything on the market to help and nothing worked. Now I just trim very closely and any my bikini line I use an electric shaver called the Seiko Cleancut. You can do your entire area and it won’t cut you, it’s as close as shaving and it doesn’t aggravate my skin! No more bumps or ingrown but I also use something called Tend Skin just in case to help prevent ingrowns and bumps. I’m in my 40’s and I wish I knew about this when I was a teenager. The other solution is laser hair removal. It’s pricey but when you add up the cost of everything else over the years it’s worth saving for! My sister had it done and it helped her so much! My husband is happy with me trimmed, plus a little bit of hair releases pheromones which is a scent we can’t detect but enhances sex a lot! It’s part of our biological make up and animals have it as well to promote procreation. So having a little is a good thing but it’s up to you. But I know your pain, embarrassment and frustration! So there are other options besides just not shaving/waxing. The cleancut you apply either oil or baby powder to help it glide, keep the area dry and that’s important for no irritation. You can get it on Amazon. With Laser they’re always coming out with new more effective ones, do your research and read reviews. Newer machines usually mean fewer treatments. Also don’t go to places that say IPL can remove hair because it can’t but many places try to scam people. IPL is not for hair removal! I know this is really long but I know your pain and want to help as much as I could.
You’re perfect just the way you are!!!!! No man’s opinion of your body is ever worth a tear rolling down your perfect face.
SAME
SAME HERE PAL
In conclusion: gender roles can be very annoying
Gender roles are problematic and set a bad example
Knock down gender roles but respect gender
@paula how? sexism is a problem
@@heyitsdusk
I agree 100%. Gender expectations is so annoying. People just want to be themselves.
I’m a man and I shave all my body 🤩
I actually like shaving my leg hair. I love how smooth it makes them. But it really is a pain, so I understand why women choose not to
You are a guy?
Awn, i love my hairy legs
Totally agree
When you shave then change your sheets❤️☺️
Gabriela Molinari YES
I remember the first time i saw a woman with her leg hair grown out on a train in germany. the impression I got was that she was happy and unbothered. I realized I had no idea what my leg hair even looked like so I grew it out to see. while i do remember liking the feel of smooth legs, i did not like the feel of my stubbly legs rubbing against each other. and well, that required meticulous maintenance and i just cant be bothered. i havent shaved my legs in over 2 years. i like the idea of someone else seeing my hairy legs and being inspired to let their own grow out. or, if their reaction is repulsion, i’m ok with that too. at the end of the day i’ve reclaimed hours of my life and money by giving up shaving. and i’m ok with it.
Exactly how I feel. Well said!
Eyyy I live in Germany, and most of my friends don’t shave.
I told my boyfriend pretty early on that I’m not gonna shave if he doesn’t.
It’s been 5.5 years & we both still haven’t shaved.
Lmaoo
Perfect!
Goals
Man, don't break up. (Unless ur in some bad circumstances)
@@423adriana y tho
when i was in middle school, after a swimming lesson, a p.e. teacher pulled me aside and asked if i was okay because i hadn't shaved my underarms.
thats literally disgusting please tell me it wasn’t a man
theresa t oh it was
I was made fun of when I was 13-14 because I didn’t shave my legs. I was so confused at first and then when I understood I was so ashamed and disgusted with myself.
oh my god, this is terrible!!!!!! and traumatizing as a young child to have someone make that comment to you!!!
😭😭
Female body hair in other places than legs, armpits and pubes should be normalized/depathologized. With this I mean belly hair, nipple hair, butt hair, upper lip hair, chin hair etc. Lots LOTS of cis women have this and are scared to talk about this. It can often be just genetic (of course it can be part of PCOS or other conditions, but it doesn't have to be).
The amount of times I've wasted crying over this is just...
And then it turned out to be just genetic. I talked with a few other women who had similar hair patterns. Nothing "" "freaky" "" about it. My dad and brother are also super hairy, but have never been made to feel this way.
Not CIS women, BIOLOGICAL women
@@Danny-he5sb nah they knew what they said
@@doyoucanoe4028 I'm saying they wrong
I know, my lady doctor was disgusted with me for having one hair on my chin. It’s ridiculous, btw I’m cis. And the one hair on my chin has been there since I was little.
@@Danny-he5sb I'm saying you're wrong
My husband teased me about my armpit hair when I forgot to shave for a while when he has toe hair and a hairy back. I grew it out for a while just to make him get over it. I went back to shaving because I like the feeling. I never cared at all about my upper lip hair (also a blonde body hair person so it’s not super visible unless you’re right up on my face) until a lady at a nail salon wanted to get rid of it. Of course...she wanted to make the extra $ to wax it off! So much of what we have to do as women to be “presentable” is so expensive. If we don’t do it we are “gross/letting ourselves go” but if we do comply we are “too fussy/too high maintenance”. 🤦♀️
Wait...u don't have toe hair😳😳
@@Katie-kp6cf I do but not as much as he does!
Yes the "letting yourself go" argument, thank you, this is the bane of my existence 😭 If I regularly took the time to get rid of every hair on my body I'd be letting my other goals and tasks go... Because shockingly, women have priorities that don't include our appearance
The latter complaint does not happen as much as the former complaint.
I hate women hogging the bathroom to groom and make yourself up but us men WAY more appreciate that you are keeping yourself looking feminine and attractive.
It is selfish for couples not to stay attractive for each other.
It's funny because shaving creates micro abrasions which leads to more infections. So I kinda laugh at people who say shaving is 'hygenic' No one sanitizes their razor before they use it.
There are shaving creams that are where you put on your skin leave it for a few minutes and wipe it off and the hair to come off.
@@samanthakay6046 yeah but those can burn your skin
@@sara_daria2 True.
I couldnt stand shaving creams. I got real bad irritation leaving my skin more vulnerable.
And shaving pubic hair has been linked to women being more at risk of UTI's, STI's, and other conditions. I did a bit of research and public hair actually helps produce oils and sweat that keep it cool down there, and also traps bacteria that could have gotten down further. As long as you wash regularly it really does not affect your vaginal health negatively, it actually has a positive influence. If anyone needs the sources I'll link them. :)
I hate that men are “supposed” to have short hair. Long hair on men had been a thing for a long time and looks fine. It’s not feminine.
A guy is immidiately 10x hotter to me with long hair
@@MeJustAimy yessss
Exactly people always gotta take it personally when they someone isn't attractive according to their standards disgusting.
Jesus had long hair
I thought this until kindergarten when I met my best friend Ryan
*Anyone notice how creepy some of our beauty standards r*
That kidd ikr. Its like ppl want to date children
For real!
it's almost as if pedophilia is strong and present in our society.... most of the times i got catcalled was as a child, i'm 22 now: think about it
Even CHILDREN are told that if they are hairy then they will not appeal sexually to men. It’s disgusting.
Thats why Im going to live in the Woods to never socialize again
As an Iranian woman, I can confirm that we are hairier than any average “hairy” woman you can find. It can be frustrating at times because if I had blonde leg or air hair, I wouldn’t care to shave but I have such thick dark hair that it bothers me if I don’t oof
Armita H preach girl, Iranian genes b wildin
i'm a Pakistani girl and i have hair completely everywhere even hairy girls are not as hairy as me :( its dark not just in my legs in my stomach boobs chest like everywhere in my torso and it isn't light and its in my shoulders and butt and face like no man is gonna find me attractive
women who make the political statement of not removing hair are usually pretty hairless to begin with. I am white like a sheet of paper and my hair is very very very dark, I am also very hairy, so it is not a good look. It is like when small chested women proclaim they do not like wearing bras as if they were such rebels, as if it was remotely comfortable to have an active lifestyle with a D cup without wearing a bra.
@@alejandramoreno6625 yeah
Alejandra Moreno omg yes you’re sooo correct with that!!
Thick curly coarse hair is definitely not valued in the bodyhair positivity movement. We also have difficulty shaving so, it's a weird space to occupy.
labellenoire94 MAKE THE SPACE 👍👍👍👍
yes!! the downstairs area is so hard to shave because it’s so thick and curly lmao. it’s all up in there and really difficult to shave everything
@@cryinqsippy Exactly!
Waiting for the day society can accept it because maintaining my “hygiene” is too time consuming and expensive 😩
@@cryinqsippy i honestlt just trim it and whoever not like it i dont care... pain is not option lol i refuse.
As a Latina, I remember feeling self conscious in middle school about my dark long arm hair, but I sat next to an Italian girl who also had dark long arm hair. Once, I told her about shaving my arms and she said she liked to keep hers because it was a way to show pride in her Italian heritage. Ever since, I quit trying to shave it bc damn she’s right. I am Latina, dark long hair is part of being latina, and I am proud of it. Besides, shaving/waxing takes too much time, kinda hurts, and I have better things to do 🤷🏻♀️
❤❤I love that!
As an Italian who's always felt self-conscious about my arm hair, that made me cry
Isabel Kang-Scoleri I’d say to not be self-conscious, but that would be terrible advice, since you can’t decide to not be. But yeah, I thought I would comment a few words of encouragement. You can be proud, and if you do want to want to stop shaving or just be more confident, just know that we’re rooting for you!! (Also, I’ve found saying the phrase “ fuck society!!!” angrily in your head helps a little with being self-conscious about things that we only believe matter because society has instilled it into us. If anyone wants to use that.) I don’t really know what this comment is, or why it’s so long, but yeah. ♥️
I remember being so embarrassed once when this dude decided to call out that a I was "growing a mustache." It made me feel super self-conscious because of the fact that I had just waxed my upper lip the other day.
Not a girl (questioning things currently) but I've got very light blond hair on my head, but pitch black long hair everywhere else including brows.
Heritage? German and some viking stuff, basically.
Guess I'm stuck with both extremely dark long hair (which I do admittedly like when I feel more masc) and the worst heritage to say you're proud of, LOL.
Just bad luck on my part, no joy of heritage :'-)
I was called "big bush" by a girl in seventh grade because I told her I didn't shave yet. SEVENTH GRADE. excuse me? That's so young for a) a someone to be shaving down there, b) for a girl to be hounding another girl for her body hair. We gotta teach them young about body hair positivity. The ONE (maybe the only) good thing I will say about younger people having access to social media is that there ARE influencers out there who normalize normal body hair. I wish I had that when I was little! I was always weird for having thick and dark arm hair, never knew that was actually p normal
The other day in class this girl was pointing at my legs, she then laughed a bit and whispered to like four other people. like wtf.
I constantly struggle with keeping my leg hair, if I do I have to cover it up even if it's hot out.
yea i agree. several girls in my gym class are always talking about shaving down there in the locker rooms and it honestly surprised me at this age. i mean they are like 12-13 and not only do they shave their private parts but many of them wore like thongs to school everyday so they wouldn’t have underwear lines. like they are too young to be worrying about that stuff
Some girls made fun of me bc I didn't shave when I was 11
E L E V E N
This is so depressing
I waxed down there aged 11 😔
I’m in seventh grade rn and I’m conscious of other people around me seeing if I haven’t shaved or when I wear a bikini other people can see my hairs down there. But tbh I’m just too lazy to do anything down there, especially because I have dark course hair which s u c k s
I wish people would just realize that women don't exist just for the sole purpose of making other people happy with the way we look. If you don't like body hair then just direct your eyes somewhere else, it's really not that hard.
Well, not the SOLE purpose.
Loved this!!! Time to remove the stigma on body hair! My sister grew up being heavily bullied about it since she was a kid, so whenever we make negative comments on adult women about their body hair little kids DO pick that up REALLY QUICK and pass along the bullying on to their peers.
Awww that's awful
KRISTEN ILY
@Watch Dairy is Scary wow when my dad found out i was shaving he told me i am way too young for that (i was about 14 years old)
@DarthYuYevon you can't just "be" a lesbian you know... and everyone has preferences, even lgbtq+ folks
Don't bully people for their personal aesthetic preferences-no matter how unfeminine it might be-but also don't get mad at people for not finding you attractive because of it.
It gets me SO MAD when people say armpit hair is unhygienic. It actually guards against infections, that’s why it’s there stupid
It's just gross to touch and look at.
@the little kid in the comments Bruh here you are again lmao go play some roblox 😂😂
Kendy lovee that doesn’t mean its unhygienic. And that’s purely personal preference
@@nataliaardoise7756 Ik it's just kind of nasty to look at and touch tho
@@ee8546
Yeah but why you touching it
Wait- having hair on your body is unhygienic?? Brb I’m going bald 👩🦲
Ah Lee Nah well yes and no. It’s easier to keep something hairless clean than something with hair which allows sweat and grease to cling to it. I notice myself it’s much easier to keep my underarms from smelling when I shave, as there’s no hair for the sweat to cling to and go bad. If you don’t shave it’s important to wash the areas with larger amounts of hair well, as it’s like with the hair on your head. The hair on your head allows your scalp to get greasy easily, much more than someone bald would have to worry about as it’s much easier to thoroughly clean a smooth surface than one with plenty of individual strands for grease and dirt to hide around. That’s why we use shampoo to wash off grease, just water isn’t usually enough to wash off what builds up in our hair. I’m obviously not saying we should all go bald, but it is semi true that it can be unhygienic.
Bel Sheahan
So, at the end the difference is the amount of time you have to spend cleaning it, which in retrospect makes the argument “body hair is unhygienic” invalid because everyone has to clean themselves to stay hygienic. I think the prejudice “body hair = unhygienic” developed through the believe that people not shaving are too lazy to do so (because there’s that expectation that everyone should and would), which, in conclusion, would make them too lazy to take proper care of their hygiene.
Ah Lee Nah in summery, yes. It is most certainly true that body hair is not in its self unhygienic, but rather just takes more work to clean, which is not the same as dirty. I honestly don’t mind body hair at all, as long as it’s clean, which is probably obvious from the absolute forests on my arms and legs haha.
dil oreo my argument is not invalid. Body hair catches sweat, unpleasant odours and bodily secretions, thus being less hygienic in a sense. Note here I am talking about armpit and pubic hair, not your regular arm and leg hair. While washing thoroughly daily can cancel out this process, it is not completely incorrect to say it less hygienic, just incorrectly phrased. A more suitable statement would be ‘patches of thick bodily hair trap sweat and other unsanitary substances, and therefore require more work to keep clean and fresh, and, when these requirements are not duly met, can be unhygienic’ or ‘large patches of thick bodily hair can trap sweat and secretions’ just because it takes more time, it does not mean all related facts regarding the subject are invalid. Not by a long shot.
It's just gross to touch, why does no one understand that it feels nasty and it makes your body feel prickly and not smooth.
Tattoos, piercings, clothing, body hair, hair in general, make-up........... if it's not your body, it's not your business. I cannot fathom how people think it's alright to give their unwanted opinion on other people's body hair.
I wonder about that, not shaving as a form of rebellion, but having tattoos and piercings and dyed hair. It is all a way to conform, and at least you cannot get hepatitis from waxing your armpits now and then.
So I didn’t shave my legs for about a year for no reason other than I didn’t feel like it (I wasn’t trying to make a societal statement) and recently discovered that it intimidates people when they first meet me. Some of my sorority sisters told me the other day that they thought I was so sure of myself and a total badass just because I had leg hair. It blew my mind that my simple laziness was enough to make people think that of me only because it was different than what society expects of women.
Wow, I didn't know you could intimidate people with your leg hair, that's quite fascinating. I haven't shaved my legs in months lmao.
When I was 13 I heard boys saying arm hair was gross on girls and I spent the rest of the school year trying to hide my arms it truly made me insecure, I'm now 19 and gotten over that but there's still a societal pressure to remove my hair
I was the same way. I wore sweaters and long-sleeves everyday, no exceptions, even in a blistering heat of summer, to hide my arm hair for about six years. Eventually, due to wearing long-sleeves everyday and the fact that I mostly wore all black, a rumour started going around that I was cutting myself. (silly stereotypes)
I remember other girls would have cuts on their arms from shaving or bleaching their hair so that you can't see it... in elementary
but do you like the way your legs feel with vs without hair? coz that's really what matters, not societal pressure
@@HeZna4iMa I do like smooth legs and I try to shave because I want to but I'd be lying if I didn't accept that I also feel pressured to you know?
oooh same, I used to shave my arms because I got hair like aged 7 and was called a gorilla at school. Now I literally couldn't give af about it; if someone decides to be a dick about it then that's on them and has nothing to do with me. I'm done feeling bad about something that's meant to happen just because some people are incapable of getting their shit together and growing up.
As a hairy girl I've been told several times that my back hair and armpit hair is 'not lady like' and each time I keep wondering why? When guys do it it's okay but all of a sudden I'm unclean?
Suwi I think it’s because it differentiates men and women, and makes them look more different from eachother.
Suwi I feel like there are things that are considered masculine and feminine because it’s human nature to try to differentiate from the two sexes. Like in nature, straight people (which is the majority of the world) are usually more attracted to whoever looks the most feminine and most masculine. Men usually like women to be “soft and smooth” and women usually like men to be “rough and tough”. So although women shaving is a society-based idea, it kind of makes sense in today’s culture.
Girl, I feel you. Don’t do anything you don’t wanna do, honey.
I once killed A man with my shoe I don’t think all straight women and men necessarily go for the gender standards naturally in this day and age (maybe when weren’t as evolved sure). A lot of it is nurtured, we’re conditioned from a young age to think women can only be soft and meek and men can only be strong and stoic, which is stupid because there are so many tough women out there and lots of men who feel they don’t identify with societal gender ideals. I am definitely biased though bc I am a (mostly) straight woman that is attracted to “feminine” men so.
The first time I shaved my leg hair, I cried. I literally felt like a piece of me was missing and I missed the hair. I eagerly waited for it to grow back. I felt so stupid for missing my body hair, but years later, I realized that no matter how small, it is a part of me and I don't need to get rid of it if I don't want to.
Same with me. I'm never doing it again
Me too I cried but it was because my mom held me down and shaved my armpits against my will when I was 12-13. I had already been arguing with her saying I wouldn’t do it, and I didn’t care what people thought. She got super mad about it
It’s because the hair has a big neurological effect when you shave. It’s as if we cut the the roots of a tree. Do you feel the feeling when you pull one hair out and it sends a shock into your system
i understand the feeling. i had to do lazer hair removal (my mom made me do it) and not only i had to go through the pain (im really sensitive to pain, so even if its supposed to be mild it was really bad for me) i had to get rid of my soft hair :( im never doing that again if i can help it.
i read this somewhere and it changed my worldview: for men, not conforming to gender roles is going out of your way to do something (shave, apply makeup, etc.) but for women, not conforming to gender roles is just existing as you are (hair growing as it does, not applying makeup, etc.).
also it breaks my heart how often i hear women shaming other women for their body hair. i don't shave my legs regularly anymore (nothing deep, i just don't like taking the time to) and my mom comments about it when i see her, and makes it clear that it bothers her. it's so frustrating. i think of her as being a strong female role model in my life, supporting my goals, encouraging me to pursue my talents and interests, but she thinks that it's vital that i remove my body hair, as if that has any impact on who i am as a person or what i am capable of. when i was younger i used to have the same reaction to body hair on women, i thought it was unclean or unattractive. now i can see that had i not been implicitly told all my life that it was unclean or unattractive, i would have no intrinsic reason to think it was.
i've never seriously dated anyone, and don't plan on doing so anytime soon, but i also feel that when i get out in the dating world, it will be crucial that i carefully remove all body hair very consistently as to avoid any stubble or missed spots. the idea of doing that sounds tiring and pointless, but also unavoidable.
i guess i kind of feel like the odd one out because all of my friends who i've talked about it clearly have done zero critical thinking about the topic (frequently repeat that they like the way it looks or they like the way it feels, but can't say why, and have made it clear that they don't like the task of removing the hair, yet they readily do it and would not consider stopping). i don't know of anyone else in my life who would actually seriously consider, much less go through with, not shaving for any extended amount of time if they knew that part of their body would be visible to other people. some of my friends will admit with shame that during the winter months when they only wear long pants they will go a few weeks without shaving. it's so frustrating that no one in my life seems to notice or care that we feel intense shame about our body in its natural state. how can we ever truly love ourselves if we only love ourselves conditionally?
Hi there! I love everything about what you just said! Thank you so much for writing this! I feel the exact same way! It's so frustrating having a parental Guardian, especially your mother, constantly shaming you do to the societal pressures that were placed on them. Personally, I find it the most hurtful when I see my fellow women hurtfully reinforcing these unjust body standards on to people like myself who feel the most empowered by not shaving to impress others, but only shaving when I'm in the mood to. You're not alone in your feelings and I am so thankful that you wrote this. Self-awareness, self-analysis, and self-actualization is everything. Unfortunately, I've learned that I cannot depend on people in my environment to affirm my existence simply as I am. It's not wise to look into a broken mirror and expect to see an accurate reflection of yourself. Keep up the fight & Question everything!
This!!! 👏👏👏
Yes!!! Completely yes to everything you said here. I share an identical frustration with women unwilling to examine these "preferences" we have been conditioned to have and shamed into keeping up.
(Though a note on dating: I date and sleep with people, and I have pubes. I feel way more hair-related scrutiny from family and society at large than anyone I have individually slept with. If you feel judged by your dating partner you are dating the wrong partner. Just my 2 cents :) )
👏👏preach sister this comment is underrated
I was like that when I was a teenager and so were most of my peers but then you age and get fuckin tired of shaving every goddamn shower. Not spending precious life moments razing my leg hair off thanks
My dad and I were talking about body hair and I said “if you met the woman of your dreams who was perfect in *every* *way* but she didn’t shave her legs, would you still date her?” and he firmly said he wouldn’t have her.
Like- not even armpit hair, just leg hair. That ticked me off so much and honestly hurt. It sucks so bad that being in our natural state is seen as a statement and automatically makes people have certain ((negative)) assumptions about you. The whole thing is more than just about body hair. It’s about the physical and emotional effects it puts on us our whole lives. It may not be a humongous deal in day to day life, but adding it up over years reveals the long term erosion it has on ourselves.
Wtf.No offense but I kinda hate your dad.
Lol why are you touched about his preferences
@@exomoneylabel it's okay for people to have preferences. But to give up a perfect woman just because she has leg hair? That comes from a lack of education and adhering strictly to gender roles. I become attracted to people based on looks too, but if I met someone with a perfect personality for me, I would not care what they looked like. I get what you mean, but body hair is a small part of life. op's dad would give up the perfect woman because of this one small detail about her. To me, that doesn't seem right.
youngmeetro _255 leg hair shouldn’t be your top priority when looking for someone to be with. If you’re not looking for personality first and foremost in a person, you need to rethink your high standards
Okay so if body hairs “unhygienic” what about scalp hair? Dirt and germs and yucky stuff gets trapped in it and it’s considered gross to brush through your hair at dinner
What about eyelashes and eyebrows? Do you want me to look like squidward lmao
@@radioactivepi734 squidward takes a bath and doesn't crap on spongebob for not washing his pretty eyelashes neither for having hairy legs
"Ugh, how DARE she not put a blade against her skin and cut her all natural hairs and not please the society?!?! Such DISGUSTING behavior!!!"
-[Note the sarcasm]-
How DARE women not listen to me 😭😭😭
I swear im gonna have your comment printed on a t-shirt and i'll wear it while rocking my all natural socially uNaCcEpTaBlE body hair
That girl with the unibrow actually pulls it off really well.
Reminded me of Frida Khalo
I’m a hairy guy. Too much hair “gross” and if I shave I look “gay”. So yeah, no winning either way.
What is the ultimate win
@@emmahart1549 not existing 😎
Sry I don't think shaving is gay
@@rarabunfunny3611 lol
We have to stop with the whole idea of men shaving as looking "gay". What is that even suppose to mean? " Oh, now when I shaved my armpits that were so hairy that they were covering my eyes, I actually realized that men are more attractive than woman". Like, there is no connection. Geez, don't drag people down and doubt their sexuality just because they want to do something that you are too lazy to do
imagine unfollowing someone for not shaving their armpit hair LMAOOO I just cant w humanity anymore
Exactly I swear when you decide not to shave for whatever reason people take it personally. Like she never attacked anyone, all she did was not shave wtf is wrong with people.
C. A. Fontaine facts
Personally, I feel if you make fun of someone for hair - having it, not having it etc - it is a direct reflection of your own insecurity. If you need to mock someone, for any reason, it is becasue you yourself feel insecure in yourself and putting someone else down makes you feel slightly higher than then and it gives you validation.
Yeah, I don't find body hair attractive on a woman either but I don't go out of my way to bully them for it.
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 you missed the point of the video... nobody cares what you find attractive or unattractive. if your first instinct when seeing a video talking about unrealistic body standards and the absurdity of them is to go into the comments and talk about how you find body hair unnattractive, you are the problem.
@@enoyna9495 😆 Someone is sensitive...
this is something i have to think about everytime i hear "im shaving for myself cause i feel sexier" (including when I say i); its that, i think we need to question WHY we feel sexier like that. why do we think no body heair, or at least less, is automatically sexier, and its ingrained in our heads? its not because we naturally think so, but because of the culture, and advertising etc, i know, not very shocking :D and im not saying that you NEED to stop shaving bc its not actually your own preference necessarily but one cultivated by the environment. i just think its a good thing to think a bit deeper about all of this.
Testosterone plays a very mayor rol on hair growth in general (ofc after genetics) and bc testosterone is a hormone presented in larger quantiy the male body we tent to asociate the most visible effects with men
I'm in a course about gendered psychopathologies at the moment, and what I've recently learned is that women experience objectification in our culture, which in turn makes us self-objectify and always monitor how we look to others. This is a very unconscious process and we think we want to look pretty for ourselves but it's actually our internalizing of objectification and we want to look good for others. I'm still learning about this theory so I'm not sure if I'm completely correct but I think body hair removal is also a part of this (of course not every woman self-objectifies but it has been proven to set males apart from females because men don't self-objectify as much as women).
I think being hairless is seen as desirable for women for the same reasons that other typical child-like features are, such as big eyes, small nose, relatively large head and small body, etc. Its because those features are typical for children thus make women look young and cute, like children. Which is kinda creepy when you think about it. Women start growing hair when they reach sexual maturity. Therefore from a biological point of view it would make more sense for body hair to be a turn on in the same way that boobs are, simply because they signal sexual maturity.
@@mauriciovalenzuela9674 Funnily enough, estrogen also plays an important role in hair growth in women. Normal/high levels of estrogen support full hair growth while low levels of estrogen leads to hair loss (that is why women tend to lose hair after pregnancy, due to a sudden drop in estrogen and also during menopause.)
Soft, smooth skin just feels better 🤷🏼♀️ have you ever gone swimming right after a close shave? It feels amazing!
I also find it funny that when women grow out their hair, they need to accessorize it with hair dye to make it more acceptable. 🤔 like, even when trying to make a statement about being a natural human with hair, we have to make it "cute." We can never just BE.
Very well said!!
@DarthYuYevon well I'm straight, so I can't just "be a lesbian." 😅 and I'm pretty sure it depends on the individual. A girl who's lesbian might or might not like hair on women. A guy who's gay might or might not like hairy, "masculine" men. I dunno. Every person's attracted to different things. 🤷♀️
DarthYuYevon you sound so stupid just stop
@DarthYuYevon you're just trying to create more arbitrary (and divisive) categories - men/women, LGB/straight. Humans don't work like that sorry.
@DarthYuYevon if there's anything that gay men are sexually attracted to that's different from straight men, it's men. lol (vice versa with lesbian/straight women.) but the specifics (like body hair, "masculinity," "femininity," etc.) are all dependent on the individual. I'm a straight girl who isn't that into big, hairy, macho men.
Also, I'm not gonna avoid men and "embrace" my attraction toward women just so I don't have to shave my body hair. lol (shaving is a preference for me anyway. And if a guy is gonna throw a fit about me not shaving, then he's probably not the one for me. lol)
I'm Middle Eastern, so I have super dark, thick hair all over. I'm so glad you made the point about different types of body hair and how we view different types as more acceptable! It's so true. When I was in elementary school people would poke fun at my arm hair or my facial hair, but they wouldn't say anything about girls who had blonde hair. I'm so glad someone else sees it.
Nour Tellow OMG SAME GIRL! It’s so hard and stressful to handel the stress and the pressure specially in our middle-eastern society
I agree.
I feel you, sis. But don't give up, don't let them win
@@maricarmen187mcmt 😘
is it true that you wax/shave everything for marriage? why do you think it is that way?
I am so glad that more people are starting to talk about this topic. I remember when I was like 11 years old and I got called out for having hairy arms. Then I shaved it and the same people started making fun of me, because now my arms were „spiky“. Like..yes when my hair regrows it is not smooth. Well now I’m older and most people don’t care, but the amount of comments I got from people concerning my body is ridiculous. I am now working in a kindergarden and one girl had dark hair and she also had some above her lip. So one boy laughed and said: „She has a beard!“ To which I responded: „There is nothing wrong with it. We all have hair. Some have brighter and some have darker hair.“
These people are so damn judgemental. Razors are expensive, shaving cream is bad for the environment, armpit hair doesn’t hurt anybody, cease. It ain’t your body, stop being scared of something we all grow naturally.
This!!!
You don't have to use shaving cream you know, you can just shave with razor and water
Is it really? Doesn’t it depend on what kind? I have great concerns about ubiquitous plastics.
iconic blonde never happened to me and I shave my legs and armpits without shaving cream, I just shave using water while I'm showering.
Asobimo it’s happened to me, I think it depends on your skin and hair type but for me shaving without anything but water leaves my skin feeling horrible and itchy and I get way more irritated lumps and bumps. I just use conditioner like Iconic Blonde does.
It's weird
Women are generally expected to have long hair on their heads and no other body hair
and Men are generally expected to have short hair on their heads but they should have body hair or else they "have" to be gay
edit: no hate to gays, men with long hair, or women with short hair
We have no hair on our legs so we have to make up for it by having long hair on our heads.
@@maya_yaser Yes that's what I meant. Looks like I didn't explain it correctly 😅
@@maya_yaser why not though
I remember being like 9 years old and seeing tabloids with a hairy Julia Roberts and a few other celebrities on it and they were being shamelessly ridiculed for it. As a child I was so impacted by it. Now as an adult I am so bothered by how we feel its ok to comment on ANYONE ELSES PERSONAL CHOICE. Its f***ing HAIR.. *there's people dying Kim* .....
As a lesbian none of my girlfriends have liked the fact that I don’t shave or trim “down under” I honestly don’t see the problem with it.
As a lesbian I've never had a girlfriend or a dating partner (non binary) who hated hair on a woman's body. Most of them have shaved, but to be honest, I actually like natural hair.
As an older lesbian, I have only been with women that have hair... some more than others. Even the few women that were way younger... but I've never met a lesbian that really had a preference to what their partners have.
😃 So even lesbians don't like some huge jungle of pubic hair either?!
@@marlonmoncrieffe0728 umm she said like the fact that she doesn't have down there
it's actually very hygienic to have armpit hair. the reason why you have armpit hair is because it lifts the sweat off of your body, which keeps you cleaner.
same for leg and arm hair. I feel like people just say unhygienic cause it seems like a good arguement
I shave my armpits when I notice they start stinking earlier in the day, usually every two weeks or so. I don’t have a preference tbh
@@merrieduvall3137 But it feels nasty touching it.
@robber barron but leg hair is just not an attractive thing to look at either, I don't really think it would be necessary to condition leg or armpit hair tbh.
@@Papershire What r u talking about? The whole point if the comment is that I see it as a nasty turn off. Do you see anyone with personal preference as offensive and biased in your eyes?
I'm a man and I have no idea why I'm even watching but I really do think it sucks that especially women are pressured to shave. I don't personally care if someone is hairy as long as they maintain basic hygiene like showering and honestly don't think anyone should mandate what someone does or doesn't do with their body hair, especially if they're not a significant other or so. But it also goes other way in a weird way for me because I sometimes shave my armpits because they're hell in summer when it gets all hot and sweaty and I get slack for it. There's no really winning here
Glad you watched it, wish more men would so they'd begin to back off with their expectations.
Soyboy
It's like why should I pressure her to shave if I don't even do that myself, as long as it's not facial hair anyways lol.
@@patrickstar2027 soyboy
@@twilisols Beth, the sad SJW
I kind of stopped shaving when i realized that hey, if I can have a crush on that pretty girl and she has darker and thicker hair than mine it means that people can still have a crush on me if I don't shave
It was a nice realization
this comment made me feel a lot better about myself. thanks :D
It saddens me when a woman tells me that she’d love to stop shaving her armpits but that she couldn’t handle the social stigma. Same goes for pubic shaving before a trip to the pool or beach.
Female body hair is a sign of maturity, not masculinity.
Watching the reaction of some people is cringeworthy. Particularly that lady with the make up caked all over her face criticizing the natural woman and the genteel emasculated man agreeing with her.
I salute anyone who goes against these so called norms because removing all your body hair to satisfy some societal convention is a real knock on personal liberty and individuality.
If your construct of womanhood is confined to a lack of hair, you’re fragile and surface-level. I don’t care if you’re a man or woman, telling anyone what to do with their body BAFFLES ME
Well, aren’t you judging other people’s preferences right now and implying there’s something wrong with people who don’t find hairy legs attractive?
@@andreakae4211 That's honestly the person's problem. People have their own preferences for what they deem attractive, but expecting the world to follow your standard of attractiveness sucks.
Andrea Kae what a lazy, poorly pointed argument. I don’t find waist length hair attractive on men. That’s not something I enjoy. Would I ever tell that man they’re not manly enough because of their long hair? Would I ever wage some unnecessary war on men with long hair because it goes against conventional attractiveness? Bottom line, it’s none of my business. And it’s none of yours. My point in my original post was that if you care THAT much about hair, you’re confused how freedom of choice works. I think it went right over your head.
Dee Shawnte Who said anything about expecting the world to follow your preferences?
Melody Schnapp I think you’re the one that misunderstood my statement. I never said anything about telling anybody what to do with their body. I said you’re judging people‘s personal preferences.
I haven't shaved my pits in years, I forget people find it wierd. I've noticed that men will be hitting on me then they see my pits and they run off. It's kinda like jerk filter
Same here. Whenever I'm dating someone new i Always find a way to lift my arms. It's the best filter out there
Oh my god, you two are genius! :D
a jerk filter LMAO
I've never shaved my arms, now I'm 20 and when I was younger I always thought that arms hair were normal...like "it's normale to have hair there"...I will never shave them :)
so not liking unshaved armpits makes someone a jerk?
I love that my boyfriend shaves everywhere. I never knew that it was a thing I was super into until we started dating lol. It's so cute, cause he'll just be rubbing his smooth body, saying "so soft" quietly to himself. I'd say "just shave your tummy? (or whatever he's touching)", and he'd just smile happily and nod. It's precious. I love him so much.
ngl this made me cry 😭💕
this is so cute omg 💕💕
Oh how cute
xhauntedpassionx this is adorable
I'm jealous, you can date people 😫
Yessss. I also don’t think we talk enough about how pedophilic the beauty standards have become. No hair, soft/high pitched voice, frilly lacy clothing, innocent act, even the “big eyes” is more childlike than not, we’re supposed to be small-short and thin and perfect smooth skinned. It’s kinda nasty when you realize I just described a child 💀
my parents are middle eastern so I was given the "thick dark hair" gene. I cant tell you how many times I was made fun of in elementary and middle school for my huge eyebrows. now, in 10th grade all I see on Instagram is people getting eyebrows tattooed and penciled on. body hair is a wild thing yall
Omg. Same. I'm not middle Eastern but Mediterranean and I used to hate how thicc my eyebrows where and then it became a trend. Strong eyebrow squad where you at 😤
I'm sorry you were bullied for that. Thick brows are honestly really pretty
Yes! Same! My natural brows are very dark and thick. I was so embarrassed in middle school because my mom wouldn't let me touch them. This was in early 2000s when thin brows were really popular (ex, Pam Anderson, Christina Aguilera, etc). Now that big brows are in, I literally have had strangers walk up to me to tell me they like my brows 😂
Omg samee. I'm half Turkish and I hate the fact that I'm hairy. I've got no propblem with my facial hair it's just the body hair that I don't like about my self. Since I'm also a swimmer I just shave it off because it causes so much drag in the water.
same im not middle Eastern or anything im a British, part Spanish girl with very thick dark hair everyone loves my hair and eyebrows bit my legs, people are like eww your legs are so hairy, 🥴🙄
hair removal takes time, money and is mostly painful for a woman, so personally I don't think anyone has the right to tell me I "have" to do it
I remember when I stopped shaving for the first time, one reason was that I realized I had no idea what my body hair actually looked like, because I hadn’t seen it since 13 or so. When it grew out, I was surprised by how non-shocking it was. It really wasn’t anything like male body hair which I think is the root fear for us as young women....we want to maximize sexual dysmorphia in order to maximize attractiveness, that together with the Neotony preference in our society’s men in the last century and it makes a lot of sense that we were so scared of hair. I lived abroad for some years when I had just turned 20 and where I lived women did not shave at all. It became my norm, and then I moved to Hawaii where similarly the combination of local culture and the endless stream of hippies visiting for protracted vacations normalized my non-shaving even further. Then I had daughters and when my eldest was about one I was still shaving my armpits but I started thinking about the example I was setting for her as to what was expected of her and my subconscious reinforcement of these unnatural social norms by participating in hair removal. I didn’t want her growing up thinking there was anything wrong with her body hair. So I stopped completely, I haven’t shaven a single bit of my body since then. Yesterday, my daughter expressed excitement about having hair on her legs like mine and how it will be a mark of her being grown up. I was beaming to know that I had instilled her with confidence about her body hair, rather than shame.
SeaRose this is so wholesome 🥺
this made me strangely emotional lol, that's so nice :')
Interesting!
I don't shave my legs and the lower part of my legs is just as hairy as men's leg hair lol
Yeah, some women grow fine body hair. But some don’t. Just like how different men have different amounts of body hair, women have different amounts of body hair. I don’t shave and my leg hair is darker, thicker, and more copious than some of my male friends. But that’s because I’m on the “hairer” side for women, and they have relatively little hair for a man.
wait why is this so cute
i’ve always hated the concept of “do this specific thing or NO ONE will date you!” like first of all that’s not even true and second of all why would i want to do something i wouldn’t normally do just so i can appeal to someone who wants that? why do i need to care about what someone like that thinks of me? why would i even want to date someone judgmental like that in the first place?
Exactly! And if someone is going to turn down sex, over a little hair, that's your loss.
i literally can't shave due to severe eczema, and i was so happy when my boyfriend told me he didn't care and that i was beautiful, with my hair and eczema and not in spite of it. to clarify i don't have "soft cute hair"- it is really dark and thick. i don't even like it, but every time i say it's ugly he tells me it's due to medical stuff and i'm still beautiful.
I just read a comment saying someone needs to shave due to eczema
@@midnightmist2358 someone is misinformed or working off outdated info. My dermatologist told me not to shave or use anything exfoliating because I also have eczema. Even without being told that, I'd notice flare ups after shaving, and shaving badly broken out eczema hurts too. I'm so glad my husband doesn't mind (he prefers the feeling of shaved skin, but isn't grossed out by hair). I have dark hair and pale skin so there's no hiding it either lol.
That's a keeper right there. My husband would prefer my legs shaved because he loves the feel of my skin but he doesn't mind when my legs are hairy...he runs his hand down them anyway. When they love us, they really do love ALL of us.
Awww I'm so happy you have a good guy, if only all men were like that.
Same! My bf has really sparse hair that he often shaves compared to mine as well, which is much thicker. As a teen I was super self conscious, but now I don't care, and neither does he.
I was 13 when I first started to feel the pressure, a boy pointed out I had hair on my hands and he asked another girl whether she had hair there and she said no, and acted as if it was disgusting.I'm 14 and I have never worn a t-shirt since because I feel disgusted by my own self, its a horrible feeling.
Sudan Pray for sudan im so sorry!!! i hope you can learn to embrace your body.. i garuntee you will be happier when you do! i promise you are very beautiful with hair or no hair!!!!
There are razors for shaving places like that if it is rlly affecting you but tbh I have hair of my hands and it’s no big deal
i'm really sorry you have to go through that!!!!
i know how it feels. i've been bullied for about 5 years bc of my body hair, ppl used to call me names that until now hunt me
til this day i don't use shirts that can show my back hair even tho i'm in a much better place with ppl who don't care about it.
Don't listen to them, when I was in middle school the same happened to me, now I'm 18 and I still have traumas because of that, legitimate the worst and I also used cover myself with sweaters because I felt embarrassed but I can tell you something, embrace it and show who you are, don't let them hurt you because most of them are so inmature that is not worth listening to them, and if you decide you want to shave is fine as well, at the end it only matters if you feel comfortable and happy like that, sorry for my bad English
Gurl.. be proud of ur hairy arms.. my friends and I literally measured it with a scale to see who had the longest..mine was about 2 cm.. we like boasting about our mushtaches too.. it's really funny...
I can't do anything with my indian gene..if I had to wax then I'd have to dip my whole body and my face.. that's not something I'm willing to do..I can't even imagine my hands looking like a pig's...
We are humans....and humans have body hair.. girls are no exception..
Love your body hair.. you can do whatever you want.. you don't need to be pushed into the depths of peer pressure and do something you don't want to...
Ps. I'm 15 too
I remember in high school a boy decided he wanted to shave his under arms and he got soooo much shit for it.
Man, that sucks
Men are always like “Why don’t you shave?” And my answer is always “Why would I?” or “Why don’t you?”
I really wanna talk about the connotations of words like "clean" "hygienic" "healthy" being associated with hairlessness, as if having hair has the opposite meanings. I'm glad you talked about doing what makes you comfortable AND considering what your partner wants if you want them consider what you want - doing and considering in this case tend to oppose each other, and I feel like that's a struggle that happens to women.
@@paulinemoira8442 I find it interesting that you assume people choosing not to remove something they don't need to remove could be a sign of laziness... Washing oneself and brushing teeth are hygienic activities that are very beneficial for the body to avoid certain diseases and overgrowth of harmful bacteria, while shaving doesn't achieve those things at all. In fact, most body hair, specifically pubic hair, often can aid in preventing disease/infection in the body.
It's telling that you made that comment instead of saying something like
"seeing hair removal makes me worry that people are potentially wasting their time and that means they may waste their time in other areas of life too". The statements are almost exactly similar in justification, but the reasoning behind your choice is clear: we have been conditioned to see shaving as a necessary part of hygiene upkeep because that is what keeps these industries making money. Scientifically there is no necessary reason to remove body hair. It's advertising sunk into societal shaming, and it can be damaging to peoples' self-esteems about their bodies in a natural state.
@@paulinemoira8442 I think you missed the point. The fact that you automatically think of other hygiene things that they may not do shows that you think of shaving as a hygiene routine, which it is not. Hair is not unhygienic in itself. If i told you that i don't paint my nails anymore because i am too lazy, would you also think I'm too lazy too wash myself etc? Probably not because painting your nails is seen as an aesthetic choice, not a hygiene thing.
@@leonor29292 But with basic hygiene you're not going to smell even with body hair. And does that mean all men who don't shave their legs and armpits are gross/ unhygienic too?
Aside from armpits' hair(that intensifies the sweat odor, because the hair absorbs it) all the rest of body hair does only good, by protecting the skin from friction, clothes etc... especially pubic hair.
Shaving pubic hair is not only harmful for the skin but also very un-hygenic, leaving the delicate skin without defenses against clothes, sweat and underwear.
That's just how most people see body hair, it's really a horrible feeling stroking or having your leg stroked and having hair all over it, it's such a nasty feeling.
If you cover this topic again, you might be interested to add into the discussion the whole issue of women be forcibly shaved while in labor, a practice that resulted in tons of infections and a lot of PAINFUL regrowth issues in already traumatized flesh. That has luckily become “non-best practices” in the last decade (though there are still paternalistic old school OBs that do it) but women often still feel shame about what their pubic hair will look like to passing medical interns as they are bringing new life into the world. Seriously, on mothering forums there is endless chatter about how to shave in preparation for birth, tips for overcoming physical limitations (it’s actually really difficult to shave your pubic hair with a beach ball belly blocking the view) whether their husband should shave them, how offended the doctor will be if they haven’t shaven etc etc. it’s a cause of considerable worry and thought at a time when a soon to be new mom should be free to relax and focus on her impending life changes. It’s terrible.
Thank you so much for sharing, that's truly awful and I hope it changes.
AleB your doctor was right, and if I was to guess I say they are likely younger than 45 or at least very interested in keeping their knowledge up to date. Sadly many Drs prefer sticking to what they know, even when it has been flatly disproven.
oh my god i had no idea this was a thing, that's extremely fucked up
i can promise you that if anybody tested my mom like that in labor there would be a problem, period.
That’s extremely messed up!
I've always felt jealous of blond people who have soft, light hair and barely anything on their face or arms. I have european skin genes and latin hair genes, so I've got thick, long, dark hair all over. Your video made me think about how not only are societal expectations for body hair a gender thing, they're also a race thing. It's unfair to hold everyone to a Caucasian standard just like it's unfair to hold everyone to a "masculine"/"feminine" standard.
I'm white af but my hair is super thick and so brown it's pretty much black. I feel like I really drew the short straw for hair genes and since I'm so pale the hair shows up really easily
It's not even a caucasian standard, but rather a north-european standard. A lot of caucasian people from south europe are quite dark with dark thick hair, myself included.
@@chiaragrondana1390 True!
@@theflutefreak Most of europeans and caucasians have dark hair, only in 2-3 countries the lighter gene is prevalent. Plus it depends on the undertones, since even blonde people can have dark body hair and dark haired people can have light colored body hair(like me). It really has nothing to do with race.
TheFlutefreak Meh I don’t really think this one has to do with race. It’s just too varied. I have a blonde friend who had dark thick hair and while I have dark thick hair on my head my body hair is lighter and more thin. I’ve just seen wayyyyyyy too much variation to think it’s a race thing. I mean obviously it’ll play some sort of role because genetics but I don’t think it’s that significant. Even with my parents. My mom is half french (so half white) and half Haitian and she has super thin light body hair but my dad who’s 100% Haitian and is more dark skin also has really light hair. I think it moreso has to do with hormone levels especially during puberty and that’s slightly random
10:55 ‘no one will date you!’
My aro/ace ass: you have no power here
SAAAAAAAME THOUGH
being unsexy is basically a bonus in my book
I'm a guy but i get this. Society judges women way to harshly for their appearance, where as men, even if they're a two, can exceed in other factors as job, wealth, power ,social status, to make make up for their looks. Doesn't work that way for women, when a woman exceeds in all these other factors, her dating pool even gets smaller. Society places a woman's value solely on her looks/body. Have learnt about this in psychology. We still have a long way to go.
Oh my lord- thankyou thankyou thankyou. As someone who is still in secondary school the secret judgment when we go to the pool is horrible. I hate shaving and my family really dont see it necessary so I just dont and some girls get so offended with what I do with MY body.
@@vicdrose Don't give even one shit about what other people think of your choice, they don't own you. They do not know you and they have no right to tell you what to do
I think it all boils down to how parents raise daughters vs sons, and I could say that about many topics. Humans are weird and shallow.
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which is why I don’t give a fuck what anyone thinks 😋
I just rewatched your feminism in advertising video and you should do an internet analysis on the "girl boss" RUclipsr culture. There are a lot of college youtubers these days that come from very privileged backgrounds and therefore don't have to pay for their schooling, rent, etc. They equate the luxury of their disposable youtube income and financial support with hard work and earned success. They also preach these so-called girl boss things like going to an expensive coffee shop to do work everyday, having separate gym memberships when their school gym is already free, and crossing "get nails done!" off the to-do lists in their $75 planners. I think this is extremely problematic mostly because they're influencing their younger viewers in the way that they would think that being a girl boss means buying starbucks everyday.
Love these videos by the way Tiff! You've definitely found your niche!
@@tiffanyferg Tiffany, almost all of the issues in these video topics you're covering can be traced back to the damaging effects of capitalism, in which the economic system prioritizes wealth over human need, and the imbalances, inequities, and standards/conditioning that follow as a result...
If you haven't looked into it yet, I urge you (and everyone, honestly) to watch this documentary about our economic system and feminism ("Who's Counting? Marilyn Waring on Sex, Lies and Global Economics") I feel like it'd be really to your liking!! It made a huge impact in my own life.
Content warning: some mention of pedophilia towards the second half
www.nfb.ca/film/whos_counting/
YES puh-lease! THIIIS!
this GEEKED me - why is this so accurate????
Yessssssssss
Omg I would totally watch this
I've grown out all my body hair and shaved some parts at different intervals. But I can't help but feel bothered by people saying that they shave because it "makes them feel sexy/good/etc". Not because I don't think people should have autonomy over their body hair, but because it seems like the only reason it feels sexy is because we've been culturally brainwashed into thinking hairless = sexy. People say it's just their personal preference, but the influence of culture is so ingrained. I just wish grown out hair v. shaved could be seen as completely equal.
Samantha McKinsey i’ve had my armpits grown out since i was 17 but i do shave my legs when i want to look nice because i unlike some people don’t think my leg hair looks nice grown out. it’s patchy and the hairs are scraggly and my legs get SIGNIFICANTLY more dry when i don’t shave even if i moisturizer etc. so yes i do shave my legs to feel more sexy because it is objectively more attractive then dry, scraggly looking leg hair. however i’ll never shave my armpits because that also makes me feel incredibly sexy.
Samantha McKinsey I personally love to shave because I just loveeee the feeling of smooth skin (although a lot of the time my laziness overrides the need to feel smooth skin) but it also bothers me when people say they shave just to feel sexy cause like you said, the only reason they feel that way is because we’re conditioned to so it’s kind of a catch-22 really. Like I only have one other friend who keeps it bare simply because she likes the actual feeling. Everyone else always says it makes them feel sexy or do it for men.
I tend to agree, but then I’m also trying to think of other “cultural brainwashing” that we are all under... like it’s “gross” to belch loudly in public... that it’s unacceptable to hit on your sister’s boyfriend... that it’s not okay to stand up and shout in the middle of a crowded theater.
We have some agreed upon foundations of social acceptability, many of which don’t involve doing any harm to anyone or are somewhat arbitrary rules around how we behave. I think that some things really are that deeply ingrained that they’re pretty much unquestionable, and for every person those threshold might be slightly different. I think for some people, seeing (or having) body hair on women is equivalent to farting loudly in public or wearing skimpy lingerie to a formal occasion... kind of unquestionably not-okay, no matter how nonsensical or arbitrary it might be. Do social norms HAVE to dictate our behavior? Of course not. But in MOST situations, adhering to the social norms is the easier route, and diverging from them requires a certain amount of courage to face down some pretty deeply, deeply ingrained negativity.
shaving makes me feel good because i’m use to the feeling of hairless skin of when I was younger. Also, my mom doesn’t let me shave at all. So, it feels nice to break (what i think is) a stupid rule.
Yeah, I wish people would stop saying shit like "I support anyone's right to do what they want with their body hair, BUT I personally find it gross/unhygienic/not sexy etc". It still adds stigma to growing it out, while pretending to be woke. No I'm not saying you have to stop shaving, you're just not being helpful in the conversation.
Recently a boy in my friend group said to me at my lunch table in front of all my friends, "You know you have a mustache, right?" This sent me home crying about it to my mom that afternoon. And this wasn't the only time he's commented about it! I've always had a slightly darker fuzz on my upper lip and a lot of body hair in other places. I've been gradually coming to terms with my body but the hair aspect of it is harder for me to accept due to the stupid pressures and "normalcies" of our society.
However I've just recently decided to stop shaving my legs for an extended period of time and I'm even going to try my armpits because I'll be off for two weeks for spring break anyways so why not?
I've always been self conscious about my body hair and I'm glad there are other people out here that can relate to me
One of my sociology profs brought up how our society puts ‘man’ in front of certain words to soften the reaction to ‘unmasculine’ things. Hegemonic masculinity is so engrained into our way of life that men don’t feel comfortable displaying any sort of feminine quality (bc our society doesn’t allow them to), so saying man bun or even male nurse creates a situation that cushions fragile masculinity and allows them to practice an unmasculine task without as much push back. Putting ‘man’ in front of something is also a good indication that the thing goes against our hegemonic masculinity definition (bc we feel the need to mark it as masculine)
"man"scaping - just call it what it is! waxing or plucking or shaving lol
@Jeremy Jones Why do you have an issue with someone being analytical and critical about society? I'd much rather overthink something than lack the critical thinking involved in going outside my area of comfort and actually reflecting on my worldview and the world around me... :/
@Jeremy Jones How did that give you the impression that they're talking about a patriarchy that women are treated as slaves?
They're talking about really basic knowledge. Saying it's just a joke is a very very simplistic way of seeing things. Companies use a marketing technique, with all those examples given in the video and others (all that "shampoos for men", "man soap" etc), simple because it works, not to joke around. To think some people think that even hygiene is feminine!
Do you have that knee jerk reaction to disbelieve anything feminist sounding? If so, please take your hands off your ears, you might actually learn something new
The reason "man" is used so often is because it is a word that can stand in place of human. For example, the word "mankind" is a word used to differentiate between animals and humans. Most (80% to 90%) nurses are female, so saying "male nurse" specifies that it a nurse who is a man because people assume automatically that it will be a woman. Same goes for man bun. Men wearing buns isn't a common thing because mostly women wear buns. Men's hair is often not grown out long enough to get that hairstyle, so it is an oddity that made people specify that the bun is on a man. Most people don't take the word "man-bun" seriously anyway.
I stopped shaving everything this year as a high school senior, and I couldn't believe how even my own friends were repulsed by it. That doesn't stop me from saving water and time and energy though, I don't want to shave anything ever again.
My own dad thought it was important to let me know that my hairy legs were gross.
Same league sister 😤
Well I may trim my underarms in summer
Good for you my guy!! :))
Scarlet Rose when i was in the 5th grade my dad took me to get a shot for school that unfortunately had to be on my butt. while being done my dad tells me i have a hairy butt. THANKS DAD.
Same here, it’s so liberating now having to shave! It helps that I realized I’m gay and Now don’t care about what men think, I probably unfortunately would still shave if I was straight
I remember when I was much younger and going thru puberty, my puberty book talked about shaving (for women) as if it was just as necessary as using pads or tampons during your period. Yet, I was really confused as to why my brother didn't shave, if it was such a a necessity?
Star Kid that’s fuckin blasphemy lol
Is that... StarKid? As in, StarKid Musicals??? If so, you are the most amazing human on Earth...
@@alizeica519 should we kill him?
Once a boy said to me (after waxing my facial hair) : okay, now you're "good enough" for being kissed.
I was 13... And somehow these things shape us and the way we see ourselves. It sucks.
could you do a video about feeling pressured to wear makeup? and everything it entails
Yesss, please!!
Yes I don’t wear makeup and a lot of people have told me why don’t you wear makeup you would look so pretty💀
Makeup sucks. It feels weird and I hate it.
Yes! Hand in hand with this topic, I feel.
I have really Bad acne and like everyone expects me to wear Makeup but i hate it. So i just geht comments all the time. I thought we'd be over that past highschool. But No, apparently not
I remember once in high school my science teacher was talking about how the combination of shaving your armpits and using regular deodorant (with aluminium, which there were basically no alternatives to at the time, at least not that worked) could increase the risk of some types of cancer, and several of the girls in my class went on about how that was just a risk that they'd have to take bc the idea of not shaving was completely horrifying to them. We live in a society where young women would rather risk getting cancer than have body hair bc it is considered "unattractive"... something is deeply fucked up here.
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cyborgsandrabbits then use natural deodorant
There is no actual scientific evidence linking cancer to aluminium or deodorant. It's pretty sad that your science teacher was spreading misinformation instead of teaching you how to understand science.
@@TessaAvonlea it was probably an off topic conversation. Hakuna your tatas
@@TessaAvonlea actually there is if you did some research. It can cause breast cancer.
What I don't like is equating hairlessness with hygiene. Having hair doesn't make you unclean! Anyway personally speaking, obviously within tidy reason, I feel leagues more sexually empowered and confident when I keep hair down there. Luckily, I've never had a partner that has been passionate about lady hairlessness.
It just makes u look unkempt and it feels and looks nasty
it's just that if you don't shave you probably don't hve the money ro buy razor,or don't have time for yourself
@@ee8546 why were you in every single comment just shitting on female body hair, grow up, child.
Hair is there for a reason to protect you from bacteria and infections... why do people not understand that?
I think part of that idea that hair is unhygienic comes from the fact that lice can live in hair so in ancient times certain cultures would shave to prevent getting any form of lice. Having hair can also promote more bacteria to breed and cause odor more easily so in times when people didn't bathe regularly it could cause problems.
I think my main issue with the whole shaving debate is the idea that any choice women make is a feminist one. I am a feminist and I shave my legs. But does that make the actual *act* of shaving your legs a feminist action? No! It's not refuting patriarchal standards, it's adhering to them. That's not to say I'm a bad or weak person for shaving my legs, but it shouldn't be labelled as "brave" to do so. Just like not everything that an environmentalist does is instantly considered eco-friendly, not everything a feminist does is a feminist action.