WOO! excited for you guys to watch, this video's been in the making for over a month now! don't forget to check out Ash, Haley, Maddie, and Larisa's channels! and lmk what u think about this whole body typing thing. Watch PART TWO! Body Image, Fashion, & "Flattering" Clothing -- ruclips.net/video/cZN8PVS-szA/видео.html time stamps below: 0:00 - intro 1:57 - 13 body types 3:21 - shout out to Native! 4:42 - creator of the system, David Kibbe 6:21 - Kibbe-inspired interpreters (Aly Art, Merriam Style, etc) 8:27 - introducing my collaborators! (Ash, Haley, Larisa, & Maddie) 10:16 - what do you think of body typing? 12:17 - can body typing be helpful? 14:25 - how can body typing be harmful? 16:02 - first impressions of the Kibbe system? 17:45 - is this system inclusive or exclusive? 18:40 - Kibbe content mostly seems pretty white 22:38 - representing different body sizes? 25:20 - each type sounds equally appealing 26:43 - so much confusion 28:15 - any guess what type you may be? 29:10 - taking the body type test! 31:45 - hard to look at yourself objectively 33:21 - test results! 34:23 - final thoughts (so far?) 35:43 - the test can be emotionally difficult 38:21 - stay tuned for part two!!
On the BIPOC question, it’s more intelligible by saying “Black Indigenous People of Color”. That’s what most people around me say, it helps make the term understandable and help show who exactly you are referring to. But it’s all up in the air and up to what ever feels more natural.
I can’t tell if his Facebook group has the same energy as a kid with a “no boys/girls allowed” sign on their door or “Just for Men AND JENNA”. Either way this man is WILD
@@tinabean713 yeah but...guys aren't all creepers, like, I don't think creepers would bother joining a private body type fb group to just perv instead of, ya know, just stalking someone's public insta, and what about gay guys?
@@taritangeo4948 I don't know. I was just making a guess for the "no boys" rule reasoning based on my 45 years of experience as a female in this world.
I have never found the "wear whatever you want, you'll look great in everything" mindset particularly helpful because while it can be great in certain scenarios, it doesn't show any thought or intentionality toward the person you're advising. if I was going to pay to get a makeover and the person was just like "wear what you want, you'll look great" I would want my money back. I want to know specific things about myself so that, when I do "break the rules," I can do so in a more intentional way. The body positive movement generally does not seem to understand or respect this at times
Tiffany Yochum I agree. I have never understood why people get so offended by the idea that different body types are flattered by different clothing styles. No one is saying that people aren’t allowed to wear clothing that isn’t considered flattering for their specific body type. The point of these “rules” is to help people understand what will highlight their best assets.
i think it is helpful when talking to yourself, which is what the woman in the video was doing, and I don't think she was trying to use it as a catch all way to think for everyone
Here's just a thought: who made the "rules"? Who dictates what looks "good" or "best"? I understand that many colors combined and patterns combined can be very busy and naturally the eye finds that unappealing. But I find that most of these "rules" aim for the body types to mimic the hourglass shape. And why is that the goal? Who get's to choose what our "best assets" are? I don't think there is an issue with people having preferences and opinions, but at the end of the day those are just that. Opinions. Like I said, I know there are some things that a majority of people agree with (some colors looking better on others as well as the more patterns or colors you have together the more busy it looks) but what about the idea that long legs are to be desired? Or a small waist? I think for those ideas a person doesn't HAVE to take into consideration. A person can choose their best features and wear what they find appealing on theirselves. I don't know if any of this made sense. Don't mind me. Just rambling. If you want rules then go for it! If you want to choose your own best is and wear what you like then go for it!
It wasn't created by a man. He ripped off Harriet Tilden McJimsey, who created the system in the early 1970s. The so-called Kibbe test being put forth is the McJimsey quiz. She had six categories--Dramatic, Natural, Classic, Gamine, Ingenue, and Romantic. Kibbe dropped Ingenue because he thought the look inappropriate for adult women. I'm not sure why. Maybe too youthful? John Kitchener reintroduced the Ingenue in his system and added the Angelic (commonly called Ethereal) for women with an otherworldly appearance. Kibbe put those women in Dramatic, but picture putting Galadriel into the sharp lines of a Dramatic costume. Not really going to capture her essence. I don't know if I object to men (supposedly) creating the systems. It's my choice as to whether or not I follow them. I do object when McJimsey isn't given credit for her work. Kitchener started as a consultant for Personal Style Counselors, founded by Joan Songer, a student of Suzanne Caygill, the first to apply color theory to personal style, at least as a business. He's given credit to those who taught him. Kibbe, as far as I know, gives credit to no one but himself.
I just wanted to add that as a french speaker, the word "gamine" is quite negative. I would have preferred Ingenue instead, I don't know why he choose Gamine. Un gamin or une gamine means a child in french but in a quite negative way (If you tell me that I am a gamine I just want to punch you in the face ahah! It is a rude way to describe a child). I mean if you look into the definition, they describe it as playful and childlike, but in everyday life in France, it's not a language you should use thinking it is cute. Ingenue has a childlike way but more innocent and it is not rude, it is only negative because there is a more "naive" aspect. I am very small so I could fit into that category, but it is quite annoying enough everyday with people always assuming that you are way younger than you are, and thinking that you obviously like children and you are innocent... I am not like that at all, so I would prefer the neutral way "Petite" I guess. Gamine is quite infantilizing in the end. But the other names are quite nice.
Aude Crepin unfortunately French has been part of english for so long that French words can have quite different meanings in English. Gamine generally boyish, but in an attractive way. I’m not keen on it myself either, but in different ways.
I joined the group, a couple months in I felt a bit uneasy about people attitude towards style - that there are rules, and they are not to be broken. I noticed that people who offered a different opinion or viewpoint were not treated very warmly by the Kibbe group veterans. It didn’t strike me as an open place to discuss style, but more like going to Kibbe church and reading the Kibbe scripture...
@@jwashingmachine8307 I've gotten the same impression. They are sooo quick to shut down innocent questions or misconceptions from newcomers, it's really not a super welcoming environment. Also, David Kibbe writes in such a stream-of-consciousness, navel gazing way, his content makes for a pretty frustrating read.
Madeline Kilburn So glad to hear that you’ve had the same experience! It’s been useful to follow the group for tips and ideas, but some of the interactions between newcomers and old timers are toxic... And Kibbe’s writing can definitely be rambly and under-edited lol.
i'm so invested in this topic, i feel like i'm gonna be yelling about it for at least another month lmao so excited for part two!! and so excited to be apart of this series :)
When I was a teenager I disliked my body because there was only one figure type I considered beautiful- an hourglass. My body is nowhere near that type, I have wide shoulders and no curves at all. Kibbe system helped me to realize everyone is beautiful, and instead of hating yourself you can just learn the advantages of your body type and enjoy dressing up much more. However, after several years I’ve noticed the system became too strict for me. Maybe I gained some experience in dressing myself and didn’t felt I need rules for it anymore. I think Kibbe is a good thing for people who are starting with their style. It’s convenient to have some system at the beginning, because the amount of different styles and aesthetics is overwhelming now.
The Kibbie Test has helped me immensely. I found out I had a Romantic body type. As a 5,1" girl who had a large bust and feet. I never felt comfortable in anything, no matter how much I liked it. I was implicitly taught to cover up, and my clothes then made me feel frumpy. Then all the popular trends either had clothes that were too tight, and looked like I'd be uncomfortable, or too formless and long. I spent so long feeling like I was a deformed girl, 23 and not even feeling like I was grown yet, I was waiting to grow into what I saw around me. But when I found out my body structure type I finally accepted my body. I felt free. I didn't feel deformed. I just realized I was different. And it was solidified when I saw celebrities that had my type. I even found a picture of Elizabeth Taylor that looked exactly like my grandmother when she was young. And it all made sense. I don't feel ashamed when I walk in a store and see clothes that don't suit me. I just recognize they weren't made for me.
Ojo Momoko wow that’s amazing!! I’m really glad you’ve found your confidence in your beautiful body type✨✨ As an Asian with a more western body type and curvier/larger features, I’ve always felt “fat and frumpy” compared to the rest of my slim, petite family. Can totally relate to your struggles and I aspire to have your newfound confidence too one day.
That's perfect. It's the point that a lot of people really missed, trying a bit to hard to be like... a social warrior and come out like, "men trying to label me and contain me and tell me what looks good on me!!" I'm every bit a radical feminist but people are seriously just too defensive about this process.
Absolutely same for me as flamboyant gamine. People always say "just wear things you like!" but it never helped. I could love some pieces, worship them but then I put them on and it was just... not good. Opposite things were happening: I was advised to try on some nice and very feminine clothes that suppose to make me more "delicate" or "cute"(as they did for most people) but ended up just me looking awkward. I felt ugly and weird and uncomfortable even tho I couldn't care less about what other people would say - I didn't feel good and pretty for myself, for me seeing my reflection in the mirror. I could sometimes, really rarely get sth that actually be good and fitting on me but world of fashion is too huge and overwhelming for someone who is not very into it, its hard to understand the pattern. Tbh I was just lost until I found this body types system, before that I could see all this hints and clues that I've gathered but still couldn't see the full picture. People see this classification as labeling and putting people in boxes but I see it as a clear system, as something that helps to make sense out of the dimension of style and helps to live less stressfully.
For me, finding out I was a SOFT CLASSIC was the answer I needed to understand why so many trends look terrible on me! With me, a little goes a loooong way! The style recommendations definitely steered me in the right direction! Now, when I go to a store, I can predict quite accurately what is going to suit me or not. The system definitely takes time to study and learn, but once you do it's quite organic! It made me understand that there is absolutely nothing wrong with my body! My body just happens to not be the type current trends are made for! Being soft classic is about having quite balanced lines and proportions and a lot of trendy clothing can ruin that balance very easily. But, like in design (I'm a designer), you need to learn the rules first to learn how to brake them in the future! And that is the point where I'm starting to get too. Something I dislike about the system is that usually the style recommendations are quite stereotypical. For example: Soft classics wear classic clothing with a bit of a more feminine touch. Like, cardigans, button-ups, skirts, dresses... And I hate all that suff! I prefer a more sporty/casual/practical style approach to clothing... I don't like to look like I belong in a library! So I had to learn to read between the lines, look at the details and convert them to other styles! It took me some time, but it's so worth it! Elyssa is such a great follow for this! She breaks down different aesthetics to identify their main qualities and convert them to different body types: ruclips.net/channel/UCRqOW3oNMunCt-P7BYmj9KQ Aly Art is awesome too! She teaches how there's no right or wrong for you, but just that different things have different effects on you and you just have to choose which way you wanna go! Oh! And I really dislike the super strict approach to the system! It's not helpful at all! And it doesn't allow conversation and growth! It's impossible for the system to be 100% perfect, so why not invite more voices to add to it? About Kibbe and ethnicity/size I just have something to add: Yes, most examples are white thin women, but lines are lines! Short rounded lines are always short rounded lines, long straight lines are always long straight lines, short angular lines are always short angular lines, wide beveled lines are always wide beveled lines and so on... For the untrained eye, diverse examples are important to overcome those learning obstacles, but once you learn what each type of line looks like, you should be able to see it everywhere else. But I need to emphasize that it takes a LOT of training! Not even I, as a designer, used to look at harmony and proportions, can identify every type of line in a body! So for the unexperienced diverse pictures are important, for the experienced diverse pictures are repetitive.
tl;dr: I'm a Soft Classic too and Kibbe completely changed my fashion/style life. - I'm a Soft Classic too and I feel the same way about it! Learning that totally enlightened why most of my clothes didn't actually suit me, and why I lean towards stereotypical Soft Classic clothes: because they actually look good on me! (And fit my style, of course.) I learnt about colour theory last year and that in itself stepped my game up (I got told I have the best fashion sense in my friend group - that was the first time in my life someone's ever complimented my style like that 🥺) but after getting to grips with Kibbe, I will be unstoppable! The other good thing about learning my lines is I can actually experiment now: before I would get overwhelmed at the variety of styles on offer, especially in places like secondhand shops, and I would end up panicking and discarding any notion of experimenting. Now by narrowing down colours and shapes, I have less choice and it feels fantastic! No more crippling anxiety at having too many choices!
omg girl, same. I also really am not into trendy things like I don't want to look, dress, and be like everybody else aka most people. +it's a waste of money, after a season or 2, those clothes that were 'the clothes' would be irrelevant by that time, waste of time and effort as well. I'm a teenager, and had never found trendy things appealing. I'm more drawn into the classics, vintage, and timeless things.. haven't tried this yet but I feel like I'm also a soft classic, idk HAHA will try this later.
I feel exactly the same way!!! Me and my sister took the test together to help eachother be more objective of our own bodies also we watched a lot of Aly Art's content and others to help us learn about it all. We are both Romantic body types and have both struggled with thinking were fat and not being able to dress in the outfits we like because shops only sell clothes for one body type that's trending and Romantic NEVER trends:(( Now that I know my style it's been helpful to see what clothes suit me and I can tell without even having to try them on. I hated when I took the other body types tests because being compared to food and objects isn't fun but this test made me feel good about being the way I am and I love how it teaches me to embrace it and emphasize my natural features rather then try to conform to a standard norm. I also taught myself about colours, as in what undertones do I have and how bold are the colours of my features, my undertone is more on the warm side and my features are neutral they arent very bright but not the softest either and they are all at the same level, so with all this informatio I now know exactly what I look like and how to dress in a way that I enjoy and that will suit me! Shopping and going into the changing rooms isn't so daunting now haha.
As a sewist, this concept actually really excites me. I feel like I always have a hard time decerning if what I like is going to look good on me. For example, I spent the last 7 hours making a dress that I've seen in target all summer and adored, but couldn't justify the $30. So, of course, I instead spend close to $50 for 6 yards fabric and a pattern etc (b/c logic). And I make this beautiful dress (with a smocked top, and three ruffle tiered skirt), but I don't love how I look in it. I loved the dress when I saw it on the mannequin at target, but I don't love it on me and it sucks. So I wish I had a better inclination into what would look good on me because with sewing it's hard to know since the try on is as you go.
Meriam Style has admitted she doesn't actually do Kibbe, she does her own styling system she calls body geometry as she disregards height as important. She thinks Gamines can be 5'11" for instance, where Kibbe says GAmine are only 5'5" and under.
Yeah his interpretation of the yin/yang balance is very restrictive once you look deeper into it. Also try RUclipsr Elyssa. She did a brief history of yin/yang analysis and Kibbe's predecessors were women 👍
Samantha Holz it’s not really restrictive when you consider what yin and yang mean. Yang is long and sharp, yin is short and round. It’s only restrictive if you want to be one and not the other.
I personally don’t think having fashion “rules” is a bad thing. if we are going based off pure aesthetics and art, yes there are certain colors, patterns, and styles that will look better on certain people than others. Do you have to follow the rules? hell nah. butttt if you’re goal is to make a cohesive outfit that will compliment your features, yeah following some rules or type system could aid in finding what works with your existing features. It’s all about complimenting what’s already there, not fitting into another type :)
"You don't need to follow these rules but if you don't want to look like a fat sack of potatoes which doesn't know how to dress itself they're good" Real stellar endorsement of ignoring the rules therem
Kibbe body typing really helped me accept my body and find out why some clothes just don't work well on me. I didn't feel like he put down any type in favour of the other. I love that there are beautiful women in each category. So for example i am very yang ("masculine" energy, specifically flamboyant natural) so im tall, have broad shoulders, long limbs etc. There were times i had a problem with it, but seeing so many beautiful women who are my type and have these features made me more confident. I agree that system can sometimes appear not inclusive when it comes to different races, but i feel like bone structure and body lines are most important here, and variety in them exists in every race. I saw a comment saying that according to it all black women would be romantic and thats just not true. Beyonce is romantic but Tyra Banks is soft dramatic. Naomi Campbell is most likely flam natural. Tina Turner is a flamboyant gamine. I think Lupita might be a soft classic. And when you look at them you can clearly see how different they are. At the end of the day it's everyone's right to wear what they want to wear, and I don't think you should take everything too literally and never experiment. He tells you what suits your type, which materials, which lines, so even when you wear something "not for your type" you can try to make it more fit for you.
I’ve NEVER found any kind of fashion “rules” to work for me - and I have a highly represented body type: petite, hourglass, white. I didn’t wear shorts for years because I read that it would make my short legs look shorter. Stayed away from orange/rust colors (my favorite) because they supposedly wash me out. Never dared to get bangs because my square face would look more square. At some point I realized that NONE of those things were true. Why? Because they were rules concocted by somebody who was NOT ME. These days people compliment me on my bangs and I rock my rust colored shorts and I feel better than ever! Yes I know what type of sleeve is most flattering on me, I know what jean rise suits my body - but because that’s what I decided looked good on my own body. We are complexe beings, categories don’t work!
I honestly agree with what most of the girls kind of concluded, which is "wear whatever makes you feel good and whatever you WANT to wear. Forget about labels and boxes, because all of our bodies des are different anyway." I recently turned 30 and suddenly realised that I'm not gonna live forever and that I wasted so much time wearing boring clothes because I was too scared to wear something "exciting" just because it might not suit me or because other people might not like it. Now I want to wear whatever the hell I want and feel confident in. (I also stopped shaving my legs, I honestly don't give a shit about that haha and I feel so much more free now 😂) So, to quote one of my all-time favourite youtuber ladies, the lovely Rachel Maksy :"our bodies are all just meat bags, and the way you chose to decorate your meat bag is entirely up to you!" 💕Love yourselves, be happy about all the amazing things your body can do for you like breathing, digesting food, walking etc, give it lots of love, take care of it and don't focus only on how it looks. 💕 Have a great day everyone💞
I’ve been really fascinated by the language of “straight bodies” recently, and I think the responses about a) what is “average” referring to?, b) peeling back societal responses to one’s body, c) raising complicated and troubling histories of negative self-talk about one’s body really resonate with that conception. It sounds like a system designed based on and built to typologize “straight bodies,” and anyone else using it runs the risk of being othered just by the assumptions built into it. This has been a JOURNEY. Thank you all for talking about this-I had no idea I would be so interested in this discussion, and I really appreciate how open and honest and willing to go there y’all were.
This was so interesting to me, but also a bit frightening. As someone with less than a year into ED recovery, I wasn't sure how I would respond to this. After watching I decided I was going to try out the test and write it in my recover journal, so I could process the answers more. Despite each body type/feature being "celebrated", I found myself reading into all of the descriptions given. I found the more similar answers I was getting, I started to dread the results. I recounted the results three times even though they were clearly in a direction I've tried to run from in my disorder. I have tried to maintain a certain angular, slim look but the results I picked skewed heavily on the romantic side. I think that speaks to my continued difficulty to distinguish my ED's voice from my own, my body dysmorphia is still there.This is a test I didn't find triggering at this point in my recovery, but words like "wide" and "round" do still have specific connotations for me. I would be really interested in having one of my close friends who's been a support to me through this recovery process take this for me.
Same here but with SD. I’m 99% sure I’m SD but words like “fleshy” and “curvy” are the VERY REASON why I developed an ED in the first place. Now it just feels like no amount of diet or exercise will give me freedom from the dreaded “curvy” label.
It does say that the romantic type may find that they feel "bigger" than they actually are. I think if we all had started out with these ideas, we wouldn't have internalized such negativity towards wide and round and other similar words.
Using the test to love yourself more and work on your body dysmorphia ❤ I found it helpful because body dysmorphia is paying attention to these things and obsessing over them. So, having positive words associated with your body helps A LOT. You don't have to worry and obsess over, "Is that correct?" Because it is, no matter what your body looks like. I was also over wieght, and it was a big motivator for me to feel good enough to want to get healthy again.
I love all of the WOMEN in this video, I can’t wait to check out their channels, also I’m really happy that you had Maddie there as someone who is plus sized like me, as well as the others who also all had different types of bodies so that a lot of the people watching could find one of them that was like themselves. Shout out to all four of them they were all amazing, everyone remember to check out there channels!
I feel like the Kibbe system is more inclusive and less harmful than say than the fruit system because Kibbe is based on bone structure which is a constant while other systems focus on the flesh which changes and also the flesh is what gives women insecurities about their bodies.
It's important not to label/limit ourselves, only to empower ourselves using this information. Learning about my body construct has helped me to make better choices so I waste less. I also feel more confident in myself when I'm wearing clothes I feel comfortable in! Before knowing my closest Kibbe type I would just wear any old thing and wonder why it didn't fit right, and why I felt 'less than great' when I looked in the mirror. I still use clothing to express my uniqueness, but knowing my body means I have the tools to help me choose more wisely. The problem with body-typing is when a particular body-type becomes more sought after than others (like fashion trends) - this is a societal issue. Women can not change their body types, nor should we aspire to - after all, the Kibbe concept is based around bone/skeletal structure.
I found this system soooo helpful. As a romantic I used to get frustrated when baggy clothes or straight clothes didn’t suit me, turns out it’s not for my body type. I don’t follow it wholeheartedly, if I like something, I’ll wear it. But it helps you understand what and why things work with your body, and I’m here for that!
Im a perfect soft gamine and the kibbe body type rly works for me. I always feel kind of flabby and chubby while also too masculine, but when i wear very color blocked clothing and shorter, messier hair has rly helped me feel more confident and beautiful in myself
In my opinion, when you wear clothes you have to think, do you want to look good or do you want to feel good. If you want to feel good, wear whatever you want, but if you want to look good, there are 'rules' to follow. You can always combine the two, but then again you'll have to follow the body-types rules. It is what it is. In Kibbe's quiz, I fall in Classic though I thought I was Gamine. And when I dress up I try to follow these rules. Or I can just wear a track suit and call it a day 🤷🏻♀️
I was terrified to watch this because of my eating disorder background, but I'm so glad I did! These ladies are marvellous, fell in love with every single one of them.
Kibbe has always seemed best suited for people who don't know where to start with fashion or get discouraged because clothes don't look the same on them as they do on models with completely different body types
I have such mixed feelings about this test! I didn't enjoy the experience of taking it, because "long", "short", "narrow", and "wide" are all relative terms, right? I couldn't analyze my own body without thinking about it in comparison to other people. And it just doesn't feel good to compare my body to others' at a granular level, even though I LIKE my body. However, being classed as a "theatrical romantic" type made me feel like a glamorous Old Hollywood star, and I did enjoy that. Lol. One of the gals, I think Larisa, pointed out that this information is largely useless, and I totally agree with that. I might look into clothing recommendations for my type just for fun, but like Maddie said, I'm just gonna wear whatever I want anyway. I love this collab & all the points y'all made, thank you Tiffany ✨
I don't know if that point of view has been given but the kibbe system how you look at your body (long bones shorts bones angles etc.) has personally also helped with sport, yoga, flexibility, mobility and even horse riding. It shifted how I was seeing myself and looking at myself, helped with my own image, helped with my confidence, etc etc. but also just made me really look and understand things. I have that part and that part that are quite long, that joint quite wide so naturally more mobile, that other part shorter so easier to strengthen but also more prone to tightness etc etc. For horse riding it helped with my arm and hand placement. I have long arms, there's a posture, consider the classical one, I can't achieve with my arms in the classical way cause it'll round my shoulder. I have to open my elbow a little more or widen my hand to makes it work for instance. In yoga once again there's a placement for lizard that I could not achieved I had to put my elbow at the limit of the "healhty" alignment to make it work. I think that kibbe in itself is a tool, And if you are not a specialist making consult or in the cult like group but just someone looking on the internet it can be quite good, one of the best body tipping in terms of body positivity. I did not particularly found it racist though, some advisor are focusing on white women, that is their racism/lack of inclusivity showing for me, other advisors are opening it and trying to be more inclusive. For me though the test is to be taken with much distance, (I did not did it personally) and things are better if kept light, once again if we are not specialising into it and if we are just regular people just wanting to feel a little better in ourselves and our clothes. But all of that has already been said I'm just repeating at that point.
Actually from Ally's videos I've been able to realize why some clothing can drag your image even if they''re trendy and good looking on their own. For my small body and bodytype/classic/ it seems that well fitted clothes look amazing on me but I was always wearing oversized hip-hop clothes and basicallly got lost in them. I still wear them because they're comfy, but when I put on the right shapes colors and fit I can look much better. Ally and the test have showed me that fit means much more than the style itself. Because many of us have vintage or alt styles and there's no point of telling which style jeans will look good on you when you don't wear jeans. And I consider myself more on the non-binary spectrum. I think the test was inspired by anatomy books because when I was art student we learned the same stuff just not in much detail. Some body types tend to be more skinny, some are prone to being overweight and other to get atlethic faster. But even if you're a plus size the way your body distributes fat can show alot about your body type but it's not well mentioned by Kibbe. So Ally made a video especially for men and often mentiones plus size women, strongly reccomend.
Yes, I love Aly's videos and how she speaks about the types with admiration without judgement. Once I realised what type I am I understood why some of my clothes work and why I can never find a good blazer for me. For me the system was nothing but helpful.
I always love how eloquently you approach topics. I can really tell how much effort you put into researching and carefully wording what you say to be as thoughtful and inclusive as possible. That’s something I sincerely appreciate. And it was great seeing some awesome new LADIES on your channel 😂 Can’t wait to check them all out further 💕
I hate stuff that tries to tell you what kind of hair/clothes/etc you should use based on your body/face shape. If everyone with similar bodies had the same hair, makeup, and clothes, it would just be 13 kinds of clones walking around.
Omfg I love this video format, your explanation and the feedback form other youtubers who watch you! I havent seen anyone do it like this before and it really informs a very wide perception and different opinions during the analysis! Please keep this up, I am in love with it!
I think sometimes people complain too much, am in the minority group that isn't represented but seriously, these systems are just guidelines to help you style yourself. Its also very helpful for stylish especially for movies when creating a character's style. We are human beings so sometimes something that may suit you might not be what you like, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suit you for example am short but I love Horizontal stripes and I will always wear them even if they make me look shorter. But I cant just pretend they don't make me look shorter and wider. Everything just can't suit everyone, that's just unrealistic. Sometimes people get stuck in the idea that whatever makes them happy will suit them only to buy something and immediately get bored of it and then they have to buy another one and the cycle continues.
As a 39 year old women I would say I have really appreciated people like Ally Art and quite honestly learning about what could look great with what I’m already working with. She seriously stopped me from ever getting lip injections. If you mess with the proportions of your face, even one part, you risk wanting to change all of it. Hence Kylie Jenner :) Walls and labels have been around for a long time. I mean I was a teen in the 90s and the ideal was supermodel skinny or “heroin chic” The hour glass ideal of today would have been helpful for many women - Ofcourse we need to be wary of labels, but we are all judged on how we look. We can’t escape that. Perhaps interviewing women in their 30s plus could be a great follow up? Oh and I could care less about Kibbe, he needs a modern rehaul :) so bring on the interpretations.
I always thought you were a capricorn! Just by the way you present yourself and the way you talk. I always fall for caps. Makes sense bc your rising is how you usually come across to people! Love your content!
As an artist i really like the concept of this, its more entailing the "vibe" rather than a strict structure. You get body tropes already in media, but they dont tend to be as detailed in the body/or face types as these do. Its hard to describe because the descriptions arent exactly vague, because they do pinpoint what contributes to each vibe, and the orientation to other features, but they arent detailed in giving an exact silloutte or specifics like "high cheek bones" are always a feature. So you can have high cheekbones in a few different categories, its just more about how they interact with other features you have, or if you are softer/fleshier/less toned its going to give a different impact. This would impact the way i would draw a character, if i knew their personality before their imagery. Helps find references for what you are planning. Helps when you are dressing aesthetically, or to improve your own personal style to achieve certain vibes and themes. Sometimes helps people who havent come to terms with their body type that noone within their type, and even other types can achieve, say a "whispy etheral" look, at least in the same clothing that someone from another body type could achieve. I think a positive aspect for people who arent artistic IS looking at their own bodies objectively. Objectifying them can be freeing in a sense. Its not critical or negative, its more about coming to terms and being realistic. You can find the beauty in it that you didnt see before, not just what you knew or thought was negative. And you can look at other people like that as well. I call it artist vision, like xray vision. Once you get the hang of it and "draw from that" in objectifying people you know, you start to realize how much their personality and mannerisms colors how you perceive them, more so than what their body type/shape is. And i can relate to what Maddie was saying, but i think when you are bigger, you have to get to know your body a bit differently. Its not just by looking, its by moving and by touching yourself. Touch your hips, encircle your wrist (i know i have big boney wrists, and that has nothign to do with fat and flesh they were always too big for most bracelets long before i gained weight), touch your face, move around and adjust your posture to get a feel of where your shoulders and hips rest. I also know that i have wide feet, my legs are porportional to my torso, i have a large head/cranium. Im big boned in a lot of areas *and* plus sized, i have slightly longer fingers than average, but barely, and i dont have wide hips, nor a thigh gap, even at my thinnest. And i think from there i can extrapolate. And thats all from just 20 years of running this bad boy around...the past ten have offered me a lot less knowledge on my shape, more on my movement and system functions.
there's another youtuber i like called jenny mustard and she does a lot of really great positive videos in this area. she has one that's called "dressing for your body type" or something similar, but what she promotes isn't what you'd traditionally expect. basically she gives tips on how to accentuate the parts of your body that you like instead of how to hide the parts that you don't like. for example, she'll show what kind of clothes show off your hips, legs, or shoulders instead of how to hide them. i'd recommend giving it a watch if you're interested, and i personally found it both practical and a great new way of thinking about clothes and body types.
My immediate thought of what's missing from this particular analysis is... this is no doubt not very friendly to those with physical disabilities and other differences that change how their bodies are shaped on a structural level.
Honestly - I’m cis, white, and fairly slim... and I found it all ridiculous and baffling. For a while I thought I just didn’t understand it or needed an ‘expert’ to assess me, as my body didn’t seem to fit any of the categories! Eventually I realised that it wasn’t me, or my body, or my understanding... the truth for me is that it ultimately just doesn’t make any sense 🤷🏼♀️
i had a similar experience. alot of the options (at least on the quiz linked here that they all took ) are hard to visualise- how can eyes be "upturned"? genuinely double checked on that one that it wasn't asking about my nose
The bone structure bit makes me curious how well it works on disabled people too like my bone structure involves arthritis and scoliosis both of these affect my bodie’s shape and what looks good on me but I doubt that’d be included in the test.
26:03 FACTS Systems directed to Women’s body types are always named after food like pear body shapes or apples body shapes Even shades of makeup are named after foods/flavors like mocha or chocolate
Weirdly enough this test helped me to realize I have some body issues... so then I tried to look at my body objectively just by looking at the picture and not thinking about the comments I've received throught my life. I discovered my body is quite balanced even though I'm 1,56 m and 57kg. Still don't know if I'm a soft classic or soft natural though 🤷♀️
I feel like this also excludes disabled people, if you have a scoliosis or limb differences or dwarfism it may make it hard to fit into one of the body types.
I weighed 97 pounds from the eighth grade into my thirties. I now weigh 180 pounds. I’ve also had two children, so my hips widened and I have a larger cup size, even when I have lost weight. My wife is trans, so her body type has certainly changed. Wear what makes you feel the way that you want to feel, whether that’s sexy, empowered, whimsical, whatever. I’m never a fan of what to wear for your body type or your age.
Personally, I prefer B-I-P-O-C not Bi-poc. Bi-poc makes me think it is referring to Bisexual People of Color, and also I think spelling out the full acronym makes it a little more clear what it is, but I understand that it's faster to say and im not that picky about it.
Personally, I don’t really like the Kibbe system. I generally don’t like the concept of putting labels on bodies and categorizing them, and the test did actually make me feel pretty dysmorphic. However; I can see why people like the system, since if you connect with a specific body type, it can make styling way easier.
It was really hard to take objectively, so I'm glad I'm not the only one. And from the feed back the creators gave, it doesn't matter what your body type is when it comes to the difficulty of the test taking. Idk if that makes sense or if anyone will even see this lol. Hope everyone knows that your shape doesn't dictate your beauty, and I can guarantee you you're beautiful/handsome/stunning. :)
I have noticed that most associate 'yang' with dark and glumly colours while in Chinese character for 'yang' means 'sunny side of the hill' and is associated with light, warm and bright.
I agree that the Kibbe system should be updated and more inclusive, and also that it can be very confusing. Definitely have your bestie help you answer the questions with you if you’re curious. I personally had a really good experience discovering kibbie, like NO WONDER curly hair or frilly clothes just didn’t do it for me. I learned that I look beat in sleek, angular styles with a defined waist and not too much pattern. Since adopting the clothing style I’ve felt a lot more confident in my body. It honestly helped me avoid comparing my body to (and buying clothes off of) the hourglass figure bodies when I shop online since I’m mostly a dramatic, I think dramatic classic?
This has been a real thought for me lately. Like what would a professional stylist style me like? How do I flatter myself best? I actually find this really interesting and I have to figure it out for myself now 😁
The thing is that they put facial structures and body types together in one group. While in relaity you can see a "mismatch" between faces and bodies. Someone with very soft facial features can still have a tall, straight-bony body. Also some short people can be put more in the yang group, and some very tall people can look yin. There can even be a slight type difference between upper and lower body, which makes it difficult to type that body. I am not against this classification, since grouping things is what humans naturally do to process information easier. I am only saying that next step would be to show what effect different clothing shapes, fabrics and patterns can have on the optical effect. So f.e. the difference in neck cuts which either make your shoulders and buste look broader, or smaller. And then one can decide for themselves, whether they want the optical effect of broader shoulders, or to make the shoulders look slimmer. And this with different body parts. Since this also depends on the mood, context end many more factors. In some business meeting a woman representative would want to look more authoritative, so she could opt for a more straight, sharp clothing piece, which defines shoulders. But for a romantic picnic lunch she might want to look very youthful-feminine and flowy, with light and soft features. Both versions can be achieved to a certain degree with every body type, but this would not be brought up if one would follow the system.
@@Black.Spades You view people as whole and determine what their body type is. :) Softer, yin dominant people who are tall are most likely soft dramatics. The mixture of the opposites usually fall into the gamine types.
I'm not offended by this test but it sent me in circles to the point where it wasn't even that helpful. it's cool to know I'm a romantic but I have done nothing with that information since finding out haha. at least i know me and beyonce have the same body type lol.
aly arts channel is helpful in general as sh6e doesn't give tips on h6ow to defy how you look but rath6er h6elp you out on what you're trying5 to achieve, for example, she has a glasses video and she doesn't go "for angular faces its g5ood to wear round g5lasses and for rounder faces its better to wear th6em squared so you won't look so round"_ instead sh6e compliments both6 features and h6ow g5lass frames ch6ang5es th6e outlook in g5eneral. oth6er ch6anels usually g5ive you advice as to try and make you look different th6an wh6at you look and like to prey on your insecurities (lots of 5s and 6s, my keyboard is screwed)
If it helps you most likely don’t have the correct type. If that is you on your channel then you are certainly not pure yin. You may get more out of it if you find your correct type.
she was absolutely and incredibly beautiful. she definitely looks like a model, and was very smart too, with so many insights on the system. i have to say, all the ladies were beautiful and smart, and i don't want to downplay the beauty in their inherent and unique styles and types of body. but ash (tanya) literally looks like a nubian queen, someone they would have built giant statues of in ancient times. my tastes are more gender neutral, so physically i'm most attracted to haley's style and appearance. but really, i'm not super concerned about how bodies look, but rather the person on the inside that their style represents. idk if that makes sense. like, how you dress and carry yourself and speak and think, those are the things i look at in finding someone attractive. i've had a few glasses of wine, so i'm sorry if some of what i wrote came out wrong. i think all four of these women are absolutely perfect, beautiful, intelligent, and insightful. every one of them has enriched my life
maia i'm sorry 😔 that was truly the vibes she gave off, not just in her appearance, but posture and grace. i just love history, and nubia was a massive kingdom, the size of egypt, and while they were constantly in conflict, they usually had a very back and forth struggle over the nile valley. i'm from south africa myself, so african history fascinates me so much. the nubians had flawless, radiant dark skin, while the egyptians, on the mediterranean had many helenistic traits, that came from greece and the arabian peninsula. I meant it with the highest praise, but of course i'm from a different culture, so it's not always obvious to me if i'm being insensitive on accident. but the nubians were one of the first great civilizations, being cultured thousands of years BC, possibly before even the egyptians. i love their history, but if there are any more recent connotations involving that phrase that i'm unaware of, i definitely didn't mean it in any way like that. i may be rambling, because i'm now on my third bottle of wine. saturday nights just be like that sometimes lol anyway, if there's anything you can teach me, i'm always willing to learn. thank you for your patience
As a black man, i have to redefine the “average” according to my sex and race. The bust and hip questions are difficult. For features like lips and nose the answers are significantly different due to my race. The hair question is completely out the window for me. However, I get A LOT more compliments when I dress in my flamboyant gamine lines.
sincere carter Good on you! you probably already know this, but for any guy reading this, Aly Art has a video on Kibbe types for men. I agree so much that a lot of these “type” things are so white centered. Especially the seasons, when you’re tan/brown/black, you’re automatically labelled an autumn
Wow, creative The men’s kibbe video was really interesting because it was her perspective on how certain features translate to men. And exactly. Billions of people would be considered autumn but those same billions of people wear a variety of colors and look good in it. I’ve gotten more use out of knowing that i’m muted, not clear.
@@plasticfrog4533 Not really. You can be winter and black (Lupita Nyong’o is winter, she looks the best in cool and bright colours). The system is based on certain features of colours, the problem is most tests are written from white person perspective. Winter is more about saturation and cool undertones - the more saturated and cooler undertones on your body the more wintery you are.
there's a Reddit group that types people if you are comfortable sharing photos of yourself. For me, typing has definetly helped a lot, I can't look objectively at my body
I haven’t been diagnosed with body dysmorphia, but I very much believe I have it. I want to take the quiz so bad but I’m scared I’ll just end up feeling so bad about myself /:
I've had body dysmorphia since I've been aware of having a body. As an adult woman, I have broad shoulders, large bust, short, thick waist, narrow hips,flat butt, looooooong, skinny arms and legs. I'm also 6'2". I don't have a body type, and no women's clothing off a rack fit me. The only time I liked my body was after I got rhabdomyolysis and had to be on dialysis. I went from 220lbs to 163lbs.
that's why you need to ask OTHERS. I thought I looked smaller than my real height, but others always think I'm slightly taller. I thought my lips were thin, but others think they're moderate and shapely. you just can't take the test on your own because even mirrors distort our perception.
Same. I don't know how i actually look like. My best friend says i have big hips for my body type, which i guess is very skinny. But i feel fat and without a shape, just like a square. Just thinking about how i actually look like makes me cry.
Out of all the labels you can use to describe body types kibbe is the most "body positive". When using "pear, apple, hourglass" there's one type you're trying to look like. Eg if you're a pear, accentuate your bust to look like an hourglass. In kibbe you're not trying to look like some other body type, you're just taking what looks best on you. That being said I don't think one should take the kibbe bodytypes as anything more than guidelines. I learned that higher necklines look better one me (I always knew it but it just confirmed my suspicions)
It's true that it's a better system than one revolved around trying to fit a type you're not, but I honestly think it doesn't include a lot of body types (although I concede that maybe I don't understand it very well!). I wonder if there are modified kibbe systems with wider rangers/other attributes added to the test
Interesting. I like the classic shape system, as I've never thought of it as trying to look like an hourglass. I'm a pear shape, and I use that knowledge to accentuate my pear features (larger butt, small waist). I have no interest in looking like an hourglass.
What I love about Aly Art is that she always describes all body types and features so beautifully, my confidence always goes 📈 when I watch one of her videos
I have an issue with her because I recall her mayyybe using the t slur in a vid (which sucks because I think the Kibbe can be super useful for trans folks, considering yin yang soft sharp is basically what people perceive as masc or fem) but she didn’t articulate much so maybe she said something else and maybe it’s a language mistake. But now I’m a bit skeptical of the “body positivity”, tho I really like how she makes an effort to call body features others would call undesirable “beautiful” and I’m sure she believes it, for cis women.
Maddie's comments on how hard it is to take the test as a large person, especially when the test is asking you to consider the bones and I'm like "I CAN'T EFFING SEE MY BONES! ONLY SQUISH!" I felt those comments in a deep place.
So I'm a Black woman, 26, a Romantic and I've enjoyed the Kibbe body type system. I never had much of a problem identifying body lines or bone structure, but I'm also an artist and I've spent a lot of time looking at and analyzing the human figure over years of figure drawing. I've drawn a lot of plus size models over the years and there's still a lot of body structure variation among them. Admittedly you do have to recalibrate when it comes to analyzing features through a filter of race though. Like thinking of questions more in a line of do you have full or smaller lips *for a black girl? But as a POC you kinda do that subconsciously anyway, like when you hear someone say someone like Angelina Jolie or Kylie Jenner have full lips, you know they mean full lips for a white person. I've found that the Kibbe system does work for POC, but there does need to be more examples of POC. Merriam Style has a good video on Kibbe for Black WOC. So the upsides of Kibbe is that it's pretty body positive and confirms things that you've might have already realized about what looks good on your body. For me being romantic, it was why scoop and v neck tops look better than crew necks, why empire waist dresses and tops rarely work well on me, that waist emphasis looks good on me and clothes with straighter silhouettes look boxy. Kibbe also helps give suggestions on clothes that you may not of thought of that would compliment your body. It also can cover things that other body type systems can lack, like why I have small hands and thin wrists and ankles like an ectomorph, but wide hips and thick thighs like an endomorph. Or why when I'm in really good shape you can hardly see any muscle definition but other girls can have defined shoulder and leg muscles even when they don't work out, its because I'm a Romantic body type. The down side of Kibbe is that at times it can make you feel a bit like you're in a box. Especially if there's an item you really like that the system discourages you from wearing. For me it's chunky platform boots. I still wear chunky platforms combat boots but I like to look for ones with more "softer" details like faux suede detailing, a tapered ankle or ribbon laces. This is an aside but an identifying system that I've always side eyed for being kinda Euro-centric is the Color season system because it relies so heavily on hair and eye color. The vast majority of human beings have dark hair and dark eyes. Like according to it I'd be a deep autumn. But wouldn't that also kinda mean that only White people could be Springs or Summers? Like sure there are POC with green, hazel or grey eyes but their more of a rarity, and those features are largely associated with being mixed.
Your eye/hair color has less of an impact than overall skin tone. I’m a very deep cool tone with amber-ish color eyes and the very darkest shade of brown (almost black) with warm coppery natural tones . They don’t go together at all in theory, but they do, and I look best in deep winter hues because of my skin. There are many cool, dark toned humans with warm eyes and hair. From a person in just the predicament you posed, the color season is very much not eye and hair color dependent. My side note is that olive works well on me when it shouldn’t. I have no green or yellow undertones at all.
Eye and hair colour has no impact on your colouring imo, in korea the colour system is massive and obviously koreans arent gonna have green eyes but a lot of them are still spring or summer
Oh the color season system is more about tone not shade. Two dark skinned black woman can be of a similar depth of skin tone and hair color, BUT one can have a red undertone to their skin, hair, and have yellowish whites of the eyes. The other person could have a cool undertone to their skin and hair, with clear whites of the eyes. They're two different seasons. Revisit some new content on color seasons, maybe by POC. You might find your season.
Merriam Style did a couple of videos about color typing for WOC, they are really informative! But then again she has her own system so yeah, the standart season typing sucks.
I kinda had a bone to pick with the color system bc they say you cant be dark, cool and muted and it's just sad. White ppl apparently can fit into any category of the colors and I just donr get why I cant
And 👏we 👏a 👏gree. We can't have it all but It's like society push to be curvy but at the same time have a flat stomach, slim arms, anyway a slender body but with curves please 💀. By knowing I have a Romantic type, I understood why I didn't fitted these criterias.
Thank you for saying that ❤️ I am an hourglass but I was always insecure about my not flat stomach. Comments like this make me feel better about my body
Just wanna say it was great taking part and learning something new. Hearing everyone else's experiences/ opinions on the Kibbe system has also opened my eyes to things like height, sizing and how exclusionary it is in parts. Also everyone looks so cool and pretty omg !!! Thanks for the opportunity Tiffany, can't wait for part 2 💕
The kibbe system has been a major part in my ED recovery. Nowadays it’s too often to compare your body to every woman you see online and in the media and to wonder why “trendy” clothing doesn’t look right on your frame. ***The free online test did not work for me***. If you’re someone with a distorted body image, answering highly specific questions about your form will not work. I was typed through my own research and through the reddit group (posting pics without my face and lots of blurring). I’m a soft natural but since I’ve always wanted hips and more curves I was trying so hard to be a soft dramatic. Realizing what you ACTUALLY look like is so helpful when learning how to dress for your shape.
@@emismith4655 I'm sorry to hear that it's worse, I wish I could offer some kind of help if you would want it. You can ignore the rest of this if you're not interested but maybe it's a perspective you can try? Like for the others it helped me get better and the reason for me personally is that I realised that I'm not deformed and fat, I'm just a soft type (SD). That doesn't mean inherently flawed or doomed to be viewed as ugly - no type is inherently ugly or bad. It just means that the things that suit a FG, G or SG (those were what I wanted to look like) are not going to flatter me the same way but that doesn't mean I'm faulty. It also removes a lot of the triggering parts from trying on clothing or figuring out what to wear leaving more energy to focus on getting better, and seeing what the actual problem is that made me focus so much on weight, because most EDs are symptoms of something else, but I'm guessing you knew that already
Lol... I skipped the test and read the explanations of the types. I am very short so that eliminated a bunch of them. I narrowed it down to 2 possible 3, and that's honestly good enough for me for a starting point. (The three are all next to each other so it's likely the one in the middle that is me.)
I have taken a quiz on this before and my result was soft natural. I like to wear more androgynous outfits but all of the style recommendations seemed to center softness and femininity which isn't something that makes me feel very comfortable so I just abandoned the topic completely. For me, self expression is more important than following style guides. It's nice to hear you analyze the topic more in depth as opposed to many other creators who use it without approaching it critically.
There’s a youtuber, I think her name is Elyssa, that talks about incorporating the general rules for your Kibbe type into your personal style. I think youtuber Merriam style does the same. I find that no one in the community really takes the rules as gospel it’s more about incorporating them into your personal style. It’s basically round(yin) vs sharp(Yang) and using these clothing elements to compliment your body.
Also these quizzes can be extremely harmful for people who don't fit into any body type. A friend of mine is very flat and has a great sense os style but suffered a lot bc so many body type quizzes told her she didnt have any of the "main" female body types
It’s what makes you more attractive and would suit you best. Doesn’t mean you have to wear it. Like some women can pull of the thin eyebrow look and other can’t. Doesn’t mean you can’t have thin eyebrows. If you like thin eyebrows then wear it
Same! I got soft dramatic and really liked the dramatic part. But then the style description said to emphasize my rounder features that come with the soft part. No thanks, lol. Those soft ones are actually the features of my body that I like the least.
I love his system because he's telling you to OWN what you've got. COMPLIMENTING your natural edges and curves instead of drowning them in whatever's trendy. Typing and categorizing is such a natural things for humans to do to make sense of things.
As a French person, I'm cringing so hard each time they say gamine, like why someone thought it would be a good idea to use a word that literally means "little girl" to describe grown women bodies?
I've never heard of the Kibbe system but am used to hearing women be described as gamine, specifically those that are youthful, charmingly boyish, and/or waifish and flat-chested. I'm not sure when it entered the English language, but I'm certain that it far predates this Kibbe guy's work. I agree that society's attraction to infantile qualities and features in adult women is creepy, but it's helpful to have a specific term for that preoccupation in our vocabulary, imo.
if you’re really curious there’s a page on reddit dedicated to typing people, you could post photos of your body and people there will type you. Not everyone is comfortable with that but I thought it’d be interested to share.
Sierra Aldenkamp it’s called r/Kibbe. The liberation of the interpretation of the system is also much bigger there, ppl make their own modern collages and translate guides into modern recommendations. Some of the mods are from the FB Strictly Kibbe tho and periodically try to prove everyone wrong tho lmao
It was so interesting to hear from other lovely ladies about their opinions and their experiences about their body image. Thank you Tiffany for the opportunity to and I’m so thankful for the experience 💖I’m so excited for part 2:)
As a neurodiverse autistic woman, the kibbe body type system has helped me tremendously. My mind works well with having scientific and mathematical guides and systems. The Kibbe system helps me to better understand fashion and helps me reduce clothes shopping stress. It’s helped me to love and embrace the body I have, instead of trying to fix problems or change it like other fashion advice does. It’s also helped me with choosing haircuts and glasses. I used to be more anxious and indecisive about shopping, but Kibbe helps me to narrow down my options and then from there I can choose what I like best or what’s comfortable, without compromising on a flattering style. I found the Kibbe system to be kind of confusing initially, but the more I learned the easier it became to identify each type and their differences.
At 20:16 it kind of made me angry that he cited himself as the FIRST one to encourage self-love and acceptance. That's super tone-deaf, especially considering that one of the first people to critically write about self-care was Audre Lorde, a queer, black woman who coined the term in conjunction with preserving and adapting culture for black women in the face of systemic racism in 70's and 80's. Idk man, raises alot of red flags to me.
Lol super relevant now that a member was kicked out of r/Kibbe for asking people to list 3 things they like about their body. Apparently she was copying a Strictly Kibbe exercise without his permission. Even though it's a pretty common self love exercise
You mention your interest in personality quizzes a bit so I recommend The Personality Brokers: The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing. It goes into the history of Myers and Briggs, as well as gives critiques of the MBTI and investigates Personality Testing as a concept. Not a perfect book but it is pretty good.
As an hourglass I found it super interesting to hear what Larisa said about hourglass figures being over represented in the media and making women with fewer curves insecure. I've always experienced the complete opposite. Whenever you shop online, all the models have that gorgeous skinny, almost childlike figure, which to me looks so beautiful and I have always wanted. Shopping for clothes as an hourglass is a chore, I can't just buy something and assume it will look good on me, everything has to be thought through, tried on, analysed. It is SO easy for something to look weird or bad on my body, mostly because curvier bodies need more tailoring, darting and shaping to be flattered and fast fashion shoots boxy, easy to produce garments that will fit statistically the most people possible. The best (or in my case worst hahah) example is the high waisted jean! No matter the brand, the waist will *always* be too big. So it really goes to show how subjective our views and experiences are and how much we focus on some things and not on others.
I absolutely agree, I rarely find anything that easily fits. I’ve been considering learning to trailer because of this issue. A lot of clothing makes me look bigger than I am or fits very uncomfortably. I particularly struggle with button up shirts and pants. Dresses and skirts are easier. My body more resembles the ideal renaissance body which is really different to the toned very slim bodies of the 2010s and the Kim k bodies in now.
hourglasses are sexualized, skinny is aestheticized (?). thats the difference between both of their attractions in society and even fall under "ugly" categories for people who uphold these ideas / standards. skinny is "ugly" to ones who sexualize hour glass and hour glass is "ugly" to those who aestheticize skinny, neither can win in most places (though some do get worse treatment)
The things I really liked about Kibbe was that at least through Aly's videos, it seemed that anyone of any size could find space within the Kibbe system, which was nice. So tbh I like her representation of it way more than the actual Kibbe system. Just an Aly stan ig 😂 Edit: for those interested, I think I'm a romantic/theatrical romantic (I'm pretty in the middle so who knows lol), but I prefer a lot of gamine styles so I wear whatever I want basically lol
lmao me too, we had that in german literature and it's gonna haunt me forever "Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheuren Ungeziefer verwandelt."
@@lili-cl1zx I had this in German and THEN in my English degree in uni where I was like "the fuck, I didnt come here to read that guy again!" ...saved my ass though, since my professor thought I was a lot smarter than I am, just because I knew the book and could point out translation... issues. so... thanks Kafka?
It’s all about priorities- do you prioritize the clothes your wear and how the GARMENTS themselves make you feel, or do you prioritize how those clothes LOOK on you and how THAT makes you feel? Both are fair priorities!!! I think that if you’re someone who already thinks “wear what you want, body types don’t matter” then this test is simply not of use for you. And that’s fine! This test is helpful for those who WANT some tips, explanations and maybe a general idea of a direction they could go in. For example I spent my whole life being confused about why most of the trends I loved on others didn’t have the same desired final effect on me. I loved very straight geometric lines and high contrast, but always looked silly in both, which made me feel silly. It made me feel frustrated and confused. Through this test I realized I was a Theatrical Romantic and that explained EVERYTHING to me. I started to understand the “science” behind what flattered me the most and worked on finding items of clothing that married the softer silhouettes that look best on me but that still have some of the “edge” and “structure” that I already liked. So idk, just my opinion/experience :)
In my case it helped understand why I didn't like certain stuff on me but loved it in other people, it wasn't that my body was wrong it's that the lines are too contrasting and I just didn't like how it looked now I know that I enjoy how certain lines, cuts and fabrics look on me
I kinda wish you had also included someone who's already a bit more experienced with the whole kibbe stuff, not just people who are completely new to it (since it does seem pretty overwhelming and complicated in the beginning). My personal experience with kibbe is that it's all about essence, not rules. If you know your own geometry and the way things interact with your body, you can follow, break and just play around with those rules all you want. I grew so much more appreciative of body diversity in the past few years bc of the system and I really hope that it'll stick around and get the upgrades that it deserves ❤️
Well said! It was very disorienting for me at first, and it took time to train the eye to notice the geometry of the body. When I understood it, it reaffirmed that all bodies are beautiful, and that certain clothing can celebrate and enhance those unique features. Also hopeful that it continues to develop so we can have a more contemporary version.
Agreed, because some of the critiques they had just tell that they didn't understand some of the concepts (like saying they don't look like x celebrity in their category, they didn't understand that just because two people are the same category, doesn't mean their bodies have to look alike exactly). Another example was Larisa saying she doesn't know what is average height. It has not to do with how short/tall are the people from your country, if in Japan 165cm is considered tall, it's still average height, and is what matters to the system. I really agree that representation is important, because it helps you to identify yourself more with the pictures, and kibbe should have more confirmed celebrities that are more diverse, but after all, lines and angles do describe everyone. Also, the whole quizz is just confusing, in my opinion, if someone is over/underweight or works out a lot, they're drawn to A/E or B answers, even if it isn't correct. IMO it's more effective to study the theories, study what all the IDs will or will not have and guess yours by your "vibe" or essence. It took almost a year of getting in touch with the system for me to figure out I'm flamboyant gamine, and I most take makeup and hair advice, for the clothing, it's more for like, fancier dresses, not basic everyday clothes.
WOO! excited for you guys to watch, this video's been in the making for over a month now! don't forget to check out Ash, Haley, Maddie, and Larisa's channels! and lmk what u think about this whole body typing thing.
Watch PART TWO! Body Image, Fashion, & "Flattering" Clothing -- ruclips.net/video/cZN8PVS-szA/видео.html
time stamps below:
0:00 - intro
1:57 - 13 body types
3:21 - shout out to Native!
4:42 - creator of the system, David Kibbe
6:21 - Kibbe-inspired interpreters (Aly Art, Merriam Style, etc)
8:27 - introducing my collaborators! (Ash, Haley, Larisa, & Maddie)
10:16 - what do you think of body typing?
12:17 - can body typing be helpful?
14:25 - how can body typing be harmful?
16:02 - first impressions of the Kibbe system?
17:45 - is this system inclusive or exclusive?
18:40 - Kibbe content mostly seems pretty white
22:38 - representing different body sizes?
25:20 - each type sounds equally appealing
26:43 - so much confusion
28:15 - any guess what type you may be?
29:10 - taking the body type test!
31:45 - hard to look at yourself objectively
33:21 - test results!
34:23 - final thoughts (so far?)
35:43 - the test can be emotionally difficult
38:21 - stay tuned for part two!!
Hey sister
On the BIPOC question, it’s more intelligible by saying “Black Indigenous People of Color”. That’s what most people around me say, it helps make the term understandable and help show who exactly you are referring to. But it’s all up in the air and up to what ever feels more natural.
I pronounce BIPOC like "By" P-O-C
Perelandra Waddle and that’s totally fine! I just know for my circles we just spell it out, but it can get clunky though.
Loepsie belives in reverse racism, just putting this out there for anyone who may considering subscribing.
Finally, I share something with Beyoncé. We both have bodies.
I know that's right!
🎶 gettin’ bodied 🎶 (edited for spelling)
Technically you are not wrong 🤷🏻♀️
FALSE!! I DO NOT HAVE A BODY, I AM A COMPLEX ILLUSION
Two.bodies.
One soul.
I can’t tell if his Facebook group has the same energy as a kid with a “no boys/girls allowed” sign on their door or “Just for Men AND JENNA”. Either way this man is WILD
A lot of the "help me find my body type" posts include photos of the women in lingerie/swimsuits so I can understand they want to keep out creepers.
@@tinabean713 yeah but...guys aren't all creepers, like, I don't think creepers would bother joining a private body type fb group to just perv instead of, ya know, just stalking someone's public insta, and what about gay guys?
Love the Jenna reference! My Wednesday/Thursday's are missing her.
@@tinabean713 there os a group for guys tho, like why would a guy even want to join a group for womens styling?
@@taritangeo4948 I don't know. I was just making a guess for the "no boys" rule reasoning based on my 45 years of experience as a female in this world.
I have never found the "wear whatever you want, you'll look great in everything" mindset particularly helpful because while it can be great in certain scenarios, it doesn't show any thought or intentionality toward the person you're advising. if I was going to pay to get a makeover and the person was just like "wear what you want, you'll look great" I would want my money back. I want to know specific things about myself so that, when I do "break the rules," I can do so in a more intentional way. The body positive movement generally does not seem to understand or respect this at times
Tiffany Yochum I agree. I have never understood why people get so offended by the idea that different body types are flattered by different clothing styles. No one is saying that people aren’t allowed to wear clothing that isn’t considered flattering for their specific body type. The point of these “rules” is to help people understand what will highlight their best assets.
I think it should be like “you’ll probably look good in this but really just wear what you want”
i think it is helpful when talking to yourself, which is what the woman in the video was doing, and I don't think she was trying to use it as a catch all way to think for everyone
Yeh my friend often says you need to know the ‘rules’ so you know how to break them
Here's just a thought: who made the "rules"? Who dictates what looks "good" or "best"? I understand that many colors combined and patterns combined can be very busy and naturally the eye finds that unappealing. But I find that most of these "rules" aim for the body types to mimic the hourglass shape. And why is that the goal? Who get's to choose what our "best assets" are? I don't think there is an issue with people having preferences and opinions, but at the end of the day those are just that. Opinions. Like I said, I know there are some things that a majority of people agree with (some colors looking better on others as well as the more patterns or colors you have together the more busy it looks) but what about the idea that long legs are to be desired? Or a small waist? I think for those ideas a person doesn't HAVE to take into consideration. A person can choose their best features and wear what they find appealing on theirselves.
I don't know if any of this made sense. Don't mind me. Just rambling. If you want rules then go for it! If you want to choose your own best is and wear what you like then go for it!
It wasn't created by a man. He ripped off Harriet Tilden McJimsey, who created the system in the early 1970s. The so-called Kibbe test being put forth is the McJimsey quiz. She had six categories--Dramatic, Natural, Classic, Gamine, Ingenue, and Romantic. Kibbe dropped Ingenue because he thought the look inappropriate for adult women. I'm not sure why. Maybe too youthful?
John Kitchener reintroduced the Ingenue in his system and added the Angelic (commonly called Ethereal) for women with an otherworldly appearance. Kibbe put those women in Dramatic, but picture putting Galadriel into the sharp lines of a Dramatic costume. Not really going to capture her essence.
I don't know if I object to men (supposedly) creating the systems. It's my choice as to whether or not I follow them. I do object when McJimsey isn't given credit for her work. Kitchener started as a consultant for Personal Style Counselors, founded by Joan Songer, a student of Suzanne Caygill, the first to apply color theory to personal style, at least as a business. He's given credit to those who taught him. Kibbe, as far as I know, gives credit to no one but himself.
Thanks for the info.
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I just wanted to add that as a french speaker, the word "gamine" is quite negative. I would have preferred Ingenue instead, I don't know why he choose Gamine. Un gamin or une gamine means a child in french but in a quite negative way (If you tell me that I am a gamine I just want to punch you in the face ahah! It is a rude way to describe a child). I mean if you look into the definition, they describe it as playful and childlike, but in everyday life in France, it's not a language you should use thinking it is cute. Ingenue has a childlike way but more innocent and it is not rude, it is only negative because there is a more "naive" aspect. I am very small so I could fit into that category, but it is quite annoying enough everyday with people always assuming that you are way younger than you are, and thinking that you obviously like children and you are innocent... I am not like that at all, so I would prefer the neutral way "Petite" I guess. Gamine is quite infantilizing in the end. But the other names are quite nice.
Aude Crepin So brat? Snotty brat? I’m not a native English speaker so I can’t think of more terms
Aude Crepin unfortunately French has been part of english for so long that French words can have quite different meanings in English. Gamine generally boyish, but in an attractive way. I’m not keen on it myself either, but in different ways.
The Strictly Kibbe FB Group sounds like a cult.
I joined the group, a couple months in I felt a bit uneasy about people attitude towards style - that there are rules, and they are not to be broken. I noticed that people who offered a different opinion or viewpoint were not treated very warmly by the Kibbe group veterans. It didn’t strike me as an open place to discuss style, but more like going to Kibbe church and reading the Kibbe scripture...
I've been a part of the group for a while and agree with Jwashingmachine
Jwashingmachine I joined the Group too and I didn’t understand anything it was a mess
@@jwashingmachine8307 I've gotten the same impression. They are sooo quick to shut down innocent questions or misconceptions from newcomers, it's really not a super welcoming environment. Also, David Kibbe writes in such a stream-of-consciousness, navel gazing way, his content makes for a pretty frustrating read.
Madeline Kilburn So glad to hear that you’ve had the same experience! It’s been useful to follow the group for tips and ideas, but some of the interactions between newcomers and old timers are toxic... And Kibbe’s writing can definitely be rambly and under-edited lol.
i'm so invested in this topic, i feel like i'm gonna be yelling about it for at least another month lmao so excited for part two!! and so excited to be apart of this series :)
You are so animated an funny! I loved watching you.
Saaaame!
I absolutely loved your insight!!
I love your channel! I was so excited to see you in the thumbnail for this! :)
I really like your style, its so unique!
When I was a teenager I disliked my body because there was only one figure type I considered beautiful- an hourglass. My body is nowhere near that type, I have wide shoulders and no curves at all. Kibbe system helped me to realize everyone is beautiful, and instead of hating yourself you can just learn the advantages of your body type and enjoy dressing up much more. However, after several years I’ve noticed the system became too strict for me. Maybe I gained some experience in dressing myself and didn’t felt I need rules for it anymore.
I think Kibbe is a good thing for people who are starting with their style. It’s convenient to have some system at the beginning, because the amount of different styles and aesthetics is overwhelming now.
yup i agree I'm using kibbe as a base but once I find my way I'm gonna be off of it
What is your kibble type?
The Kibbie Test has helped me immensely. I found out I had a Romantic body type. As a 5,1" girl who had a large bust and feet. I never felt comfortable in anything, no matter how much I liked it. I was implicitly taught to cover up, and my clothes then made me feel frumpy. Then all the popular trends either had clothes that were too tight, and looked like I'd be uncomfortable, or too formless and long. I spent so long feeling like I was a deformed girl, 23 and not even feeling like I was grown yet, I was waiting to grow into what I saw around me. But when I found out my body structure type I finally accepted my body. I felt free. I didn't feel deformed. I just realized I was different. And it was solidified when I saw celebrities that had my type. I even found a picture of Elizabeth Taylor that looked exactly like my grandmother when she was young. And it all made sense. I don't feel ashamed when I walk in a store and see clothes that don't suit me. I just recognize they weren't made for me.
Ojo Momoko wow that’s amazing!! I’m really glad you’ve found your confidence in your beautiful body type✨✨
As an Asian with a more western body type and curvier/larger features, I’ve always felt “fat and frumpy” compared to the rest of my slim, petite family. Can totally relate to your struggles and I aspire to have your newfound confidence too one day.
That's my story. I lived to 25 thinking I was deformed and ugly for not fitting in fast fashion.
That's perfect. It's the point that a lot of people really missed, trying a bit to hard to be like... a social warrior and come out like, "men trying to label me and contain me and tell me what looks good on me!!" I'm every bit a radical feminist but people are seriously just too defensive about this process.
Absolutely same for me as flamboyant gamine. People always say "just wear things you like!" but it never helped. I could love some pieces, worship them but then I put them on and it was just... not good. Opposite things were happening: I was advised to try on some nice and very feminine clothes that suppose to make me more "delicate" or "cute"(as they did for most people) but ended up just me looking awkward. I felt ugly and weird and uncomfortable even tho I couldn't care less about what other people would say - I didn't feel good and pretty for myself, for me seeing my reflection in the mirror. I could sometimes, really rarely get sth that actually be good and fitting on me but world of fashion is too huge and overwhelming for someone who is not very into it, its hard to understand the pattern. Tbh I was just lost until I found this body types system, before that I could see all this hints and clues that I've gathered but still couldn't see the full picture. People see this classification as labeling and putting people in boxes but I see it as a clear system, as something that helps to make sense out of the dimension of style and helps to live less stressfully.
For me, finding out I was a SOFT CLASSIC was the answer I needed to understand why so many trends look terrible on me! With me, a little goes a loooong way! The style recommendations definitely steered me in the right direction! Now, when I go to a store, I can predict quite accurately what is going to suit me or not. The system definitely takes time to study and learn, but once you do it's quite organic! It made me understand that there is absolutely nothing wrong with my body! My body just happens to not be the type current trends are made for! Being soft classic is about having quite balanced lines and proportions and a lot of trendy clothing can ruin that balance very easily. But, like in design (I'm a designer), you need to learn the rules first to learn how to brake them in the future! And that is the point where I'm starting to get too. Something I dislike about the system is that usually the style recommendations are quite stereotypical. For example: Soft classics wear classic clothing with a bit of a more feminine touch. Like, cardigans, button-ups, skirts, dresses... And I hate all that suff! I prefer a more sporty/casual/practical style approach to clothing... I don't like to look like I belong in a library! So I had to learn to read between the lines, look at the details and convert them to other styles! It took me some time, but it's so worth it! Elyssa is such a great follow for this! She breaks down different aesthetics to identify their main qualities and convert them to different body types: ruclips.net/channel/UCRqOW3oNMunCt-P7BYmj9KQ Aly Art is awesome too! She teaches how there's no right or wrong for you, but just that different things have different effects on you and you just have to choose which way you wanna go! Oh! And I really dislike the super strict approach to the system! It's not helpful at all! And it doesn't allow conversation and growth! It's impossible for the system to be 100% perfect, so why not invite more voices to add to it? About Kibbe and ethnicity/size I just have something to add: Yes, most examples are white thin women, but lines are lines! Short rounded lines are always short rounded lines, long straight lines are always long straight lines, short angular lines are always short angular lines, wide beveled lines are always wide beveled lines and so on... For the untrained eye, diverse examples are important to overcome those learning obstacles, but once you learn what each type of line looks like, you should be able to see it everywhere else. But I need to emphasize that it takes a LOT of training! Not even I, as a designer, used to look at harmony and proportions, can identify every type of line in a body! So for the unexperienced diverse pictures are important, for the experienced diverse pictures are repetitive.
Yes! Exactly what I said
totally agree, empowering, super helpful to dress better, and learn to love your body's characteristics.
tl;dr: I'm a Soft Classic too and Kibbe completely changed my fashion/style life.
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I'm a Soft Classic too and I feel the same way about it! Learning that totally enlightened why most of my clothes didn't actually suit me, and why I lean towards stereotypical Soft Classic clothes: because they actually look good on me! (And fit my style, of course.) I learnt about colour theory last year and that in itself stepped my game up (I got told I have the best fashion sense in my friend group - that was the first time in my life someone's ever complimented my style like that 🥺) but after getting to grips with Kibbe, I will be unstoppable! The other good thing about learning my lines is I can actually experiment now: before I would get overwhelmed at the variety of styles on offer, especially in places like secondhand shops, and I would end up panicking and discarding any notion of experimenting. Now by narrowing down colours and shapes, I have less choice and it feels fantastic! No more crippling anxiety at having too many choices!
omg girl, same. I also really am not into trendy things like I don't want to look, dress, and be like everybody else aka most people. +it's a waste of money, after a season or 2, those clothes that were 'the clothes' would be irrelevant by that time, waste of time and effort as well. I'm a teenager, and had never found trendy things appealing. I'm more drawn into the classics, vintage, and timeless things.. haven't tried this yet but I feel like I'm also a soft classic, idk HAHA will try this later.
I feel exactly the same way!!! Me and my sister took the test together to help eachother be more objective of our own bodies also we watched a lot of Aly Art's content and others to help us learn about it all. We are both Romantic body types and have both struggled with thinking were fat and not being able to dress in the outfits we like because shops only sell clothes for one body type that's trending and Romantic NEVER trends:(( Now that I know my style it's been helpful to see what clothes suit me and I can tell without even having to try them on. I hated when I took the other body types tests because being compared to food and objects isn't fun but this test made me feel good about being the way I am and I love how it teaches me to embrace it and emphasize my natural features rather then try to conform to a standard norm. I also taught myself about colours, as in what undertones do I have and how bold are the colours of my features, my undertone is more on the warm side and my features are neutral they arent very bright but not the softest either and they are all at the same level, so with all this informatio I now know exactly what I look like and how to dress in a way that I enjoy and that will suit me! Shopping and going into the changing rooms isn't so daunting now haha.
As a sewist, this concept actually really excites me. I feel like I always have a hard time decerning if what I like is going to look good on me. For example, I spent the last 7 hours making a dress that I've seen in target all summer and adored, but couldn't justify the $30. So, of course, I instead spend close to $50 for 6 yards fabric and a pattern etc (b/c logic). And I make this beautiful dress (with a smocked top, and three ruffle tiered skirt), but I don't love how I look in it. I loved the dress when I saw it on the mannequin at target, but I don't love it on me and it sucks. So I wish I had a better inclination into what would look good on me because with sewing it's hard to know since the try on is as you go.
I also sew and kind of have the same problem, I thought of sewing a mannequin that's exacly my size to help :/
Learning my kibbie type helped me invest more in sewing my clothes. It didn’t feel like a gamble anymore. Also seasonal color analysis.
Did you like it when you've tried it on in the store?
Meriam Style has admitted she doesn't actually do Kibbe, she does her own styling system she calls body geometry as she disregards height as important. She thinks Gamines can be 5'11" for instance, where Kibbe says GAmine are only 5'5" and under.
Yeah his interpretation of the yin/yang balance is very restrictive once you look deeper into it. Also try RUclipsr Elyssa. She did a brief history of yin/yang analysis and Kibbe's predecessors were women 👍
Samantha Holz it’s not really restrictive when you consider what yin and yang mean. Yang is long and sharp, yin is short and round. It’s only restrictive if you want to be one and not the other.
@@nicolesmith4371 pls don't start the whole drama here
@@nicolesmith4371 It is restrictive when you find yourself not fitting in to the gridlines. I am long and round, where do I go?
Sana Shechtman natural category. It’s for long people who aren’t sharp.
I personally don’t think having fashion “rules” is a bad thing. if we are going based off pure aesthetics and art, yes there are certain colors, patterns, and styles that will look better on certain people than others. Do you have to follow the rules? hell nah. butttt if you’re goal is to make a cohesive outfit that will compliment your features, yeah following some rules or type system could aid in finding what works with your existing features. It’s all about complimenting what’s already there, not fitting into another type :)
"You don't need to follow these rules but if you don't want to look like a fat sack of potatoes which doesn't know how to dress itself they're good"
Real stellar endorsement of ignoring the rules therem
He also "stole" his ideas from women stylists before him.
“Conceived and gave birth” made me choke on my tortilla
Kibbe body typing really helped me accept my body and find out why some clothes just don't work well on me. I didn't feel like he put down any type in favour of the other. I love that there are beautiful women in each category. So for example i am very yang ("masculine" energy, specifically flamboyant natural) so im tall, have broad shoulders, long limbs etc. There were times i had a problem with it, but seeing so many beautiful women who are my type and have these features made me more confident. I agree that system can sometimes appear not inclusive when it comes to different races, but i feel like bone structure and body lines are most important here, and variety in them exists in every race. I saw a comment saying that according to it all black women would be romantic and thats just not true. Beyonce is romantic but Tyra Banks is soft dramatic. Naomi Campbell is most likely flam natural. Tina Turner is a flamboyant gamine. I think Lupita might be a soft classic. And when you look at them you can clearly see how different they are. At the end of the day it's everyone's right to wear what they want to wear, and I don't think you should take everything too literally and never experiment. He tells you what suits your type, which materials, which lines, so even when you wear something "not for your type" you can try to make it more fit for you.
Yess💝
Ugh, saying that every black woman would be romantic is narrow minded and even racist?! As in all poc look the same? God...
Thanks for stating the bot every bw has the same body shape. I sure as heck dont have the same body as every blk woman I see
@@SwedishTourist right
I’ve NEVER found any kind of fashion “rules” to work for me - and I have a highly represented body type: petite, hourglass, white. I didn’t wear shorts for years because I read that it would make my short legs look shorter. Stayed away from orange/rust colors (my favorite) because they supposedly wash me out. Never dared to get bangs because my square face would look more square. At some point I realized that NONE of those things were true. Why? Because they were rules concocted by somebody who was NOT ME. These days people compliment me on my bangs and I rock my rust colored shorts and I feel better than ever! Yes I know what type of sleeve is most flattering on me, I know what jean rise suits my body - but because that’s what I decided looked good on my own body. We are complexe beings, categories don’t work!
I honestly agree with what most of the girls kind of concluded, which is "wear whatever makes you feel good and whatever you WANT to wear. Forget about labels and boxes, because all of our bodies des are different anyway."
I recently turned 30 and suddenly realised that I'm not gonna live forever and that I wasted so much time wearing boring clothes because I was too scared to wear something "exciting" just because it might not suit me or because other people might not like it. Now I want to wear whatever the hell I want and feel confident in. (I also stopped shaving my legs, I honestly don't give a shit about that haha and I feel so much more free now 😂)
So, to quote one of my all-time favourite youtuber ladies, the lovely Rachel Maksy :"our bodies are all just meat bags, and the way you chose to decorate your meat bag is entirely up to you!"
💕Love yourselves, be happy about all the amazing things your body can do for you like breathing, digesting food, walking etc, give it lots of love, take care of it and don't focus only on how it looks. 💕
Have a great day everyone💞
I love my meatbag lol
Yay for meatbags😁
I’ve been really fascinated by the language of “straight bodies” recently, and I think the responses about a) what is “average” referring to?, b) peeling back societal responses to one’s body, c) raising complicated and troubling histories of negative self-talk about one’s body really resonate with that conception. It sounds like a system designed based on and built to typologize “straight bodies,” and anyone else using it runs the risk of being othered just by the assumptions built into it.
This has been a JOURNEY. Thank you all for talking about this-I had no idea I would be so interested in this discussion, and I really appreciate how open and honest and willing to go there y’all were.
This was so interesting to me, but also a bit frightening. As someone with less than a year into ED recovery, I wasn't sure how I would respond to this. After watching I decided I was going to try out the test and write it in my recover journal, so I could process the answers more. Despite each body type/feature being "celebrated", I found myself reading into all of the descriptions given. I found the more similar answers I was getting, I started to dread the results. I recounted the results three times even though they were clearly in a direction I've tried to run from in my disorder. I have tried to maintain a certain angular, slim look but the results I picked skewed heavily on the romantic side. I think that speaks to my continued difficulty to distinguish my ED's voice from my own, my body dysmorphia is still there.This is a test I didn't find triggering at this point in my recovery, but words like "wide" and "round" do still have specific connotations for me. I would be really interested in having one of my close friends who's been a support to me through this recovery process take this for me.
Same here but with SD. I’m 99% sure I’m SD but words like “fleshy” and “curvy” are the VERY REASON why I developed an ED in the first place. Now it just feels like no amount of diet or exercise will give me freedom from the dreaded “curvy” label.
It does say that the romantic type may find that they feel "bigger" than they actually are. I think if we all had started out with these ideas, we wouldn't have internalized such negativity towards wide and round and other similar words.
As a lebanese woman, everytime you say his name im like mmmmm kibbeh
That's why I clicked this video ngl
Lol, I was just about to comment this when I saw your comment!
lol what does it mean
@@desiree7633 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbeh
As a brazilian, I thought the same 😂
I’d be really curious how a blind person who has an acute sense of feeling their body, but not seeing it, would react to this quiz
Yet another masterpiece
Using the test to love yourself more and work on your body dysmorphia ❤ I found it helpful because body dysmorphia is paying attention to these things and obsessing over them. So, having positive words associated with your body helps A LOT. You don't have to worry and obsess over, "Is that correct?" Because it is, no matter what your body looks like. I was also over wieght, and it was a big motivator for me to feel good enough to want to get healthy again.
I love all of the WOMEN in this video, I can’t wait to check out their channels, also I’m really happy that you had Maddie there as someone who is plus sized like me, as well as the others who also all had different types of bodies so that a lot of the people watching could find one of them that was like themselves. Shout out to all four of them they were all amazing, everyone remember to check out there channels!
I feel like the Kibbe system is more inclusive and less harmful than say than the fruit system because Kibbe is based on bone structure which is a constant while other systems focus on the flesh which changes and also the flesh is what gives women insecurities about their bodies.
It's important not to label/limit ourselves, only to empower ourselves using this information. Learning about my body construct has helped me to make better choices so I waste less. I also feel more confident in myself when I'm wearing clothes I feel comfortable in! Before knowing my closest Kibbe type I would just wear any old thing and wonder why it didn't fit right, and why I felt 'less than great' when I looked in the mirror. I still use clothing to express my uniqueness, but knowing my body means I have the tools to help me choose more wisely.
The problem with body-typing is when a particular body-type becomes more sought after than others (like fashion trends) - this is a societal issue. Women can not change their body types, nor should we aspire to - after all, the Kibbe concept is based around bone/skeletal structure.
I found this system soooo helpful. As a romantic I used to get frustrated when baggy clothes or straight clothes didn’t suit me, turns out it’s not for my body type. I don’t follow it wholeheartedly, if I like something, I’ll wear it. But it helps you understand what and why things work with your body, and I’m here for that!
Im a perfect soft gamine and the kibbe body type rly works for me. I always feel kind of flabby and chubby while also too masculine, but when i wear very color blocked clothing and shorter, messier hair has rly helped me feel more confident and beautiful in myself
It’s a really insightful analysis if you go into the test from a place of self-love. It’s been super fun looking at different looks on Pinterest
In my opinion, when you wear clothes you have to think, do you want to look good or do you want to feel good. If you want to feel good, wear whatever you want, but if you want to look good, there are 'rules' to follow. You can always combine the two, but then again you'll have to follow the body-types rules. It is what it is. In Kibbe's quiz, I fall in Classic though I thought I was Gamine. And when I dress up I try to follow these rules. Or I can just wear a track suit and call it a day 🤷🏻♀️
I was terrified to watch this because of my eating disorder background, but I'm so glad I did! These ladies are marvellous, fell in love with every single one of them.
Kibbe has always seemed best suited for people who don't know where to start with fashion or get discouraged because clothes don't look the same on them as they do on models with completely different body types
I have such mixed feelings about this test! I didn't enjoy the experience of taking it, because "long", "short", "narrow", and "wide" are all relative terms, right? I couldn't analyze my own body without thinking about it in comparison to other people. And it just doesn't feel good to compare my body to others' at a granular level, even though I LIKE my body. However, being classed as a "theatrical romantic" type made me feel like a glamorous Old Hollywood star, and I did enjoy that. Lol. One of the gals, I think Larisa, pointed out that this information is largely useless, and I totally agree with that. I might look into clothing recommendations for my type just for fun, but like Maddie said, I'm just gonna wear whatever I want anyway. I love this collab & all the points y'all made, thank you Tiffany ✨
I don't know if that point of view has been given but the kibbe system how you look at your body (long bones shorts bones angles etc.) has personally also helped with sport, yoga, flexibility, mobility and even horse riding. It shifted how I was seeing myself and looking at myself, helped with my own image, helped with my confidence, etc etc. but also just made me really look and understand things. I have that part and that part that are quite long, that joint quite wide so naturally more mobile, that other part shorter so easier to strengthen but also more prone to tightness etc etc.
For horse riding it helped with my arm and hand placement. I have long arms, there's a posture, consider the classical one, I can't achieve with my arms in the classical way cause it'll round my shoulder. I have to open my elbow a little more or widen my hand to makes it work for instance. In yoga once again there's a placement for lizard that I could not achieved I had to put my elbow at the limit of the "healhty" alignment to make it work.
I think that kibbe in itself is a tool, And if you are not a specialist making consult or in the cult like group but just someone looking on the internet it can be quite good, one of the best body tipping in terms of body positivity.
I did not particularly found it racist though, some advisor are focusing on white women, that is their racism/lack of inclusivity showing for me, other advisors are opening it and trying to be more inclusive.
For me though the test is to be taken with much distance, (I did not did it personally) and things are better if kept light, once again if we are not specialising into it and if we are just regular people just wanting to feel a little better in ourselves and our clothes.
But all of that has already been said I'm just repeating at that point.
i clicked so fast lol i was obsessed with Kibbe for a month of quarantine
ps I'm soft natural haha
Yay go soft naturals! Kat Dennings & Scarlette Johannson!!
omg i was obsessed for like a month in quarantine too i’m a soft gamine
Samme it's so fun haha I'm a romantic!
Actually from Ally's videos I've been able to realize why some clothing can drag your image even if they''re trendy and good looking on their own. For my small body and bodytype/classic/ it seems that well fitted clothes look amazing on me but I was always wearing oversized hip-hop clothes and basicallly got lost in them. I still wear them because they're comfy, but when I put on the right shapes colors and fit I can look much better. Ally and the test have showed me that fit means much more than the style itself. Because many of us have vintage or alt styles and there's no point of telling which style jeans will look good on you when you don't wear jeans. And I consider myself more on the non-binary spectrum. I think the test was inspired by anatomy books because when I was art student we learned the same stuff just not in much detail. Some body types tend to be more skinny, some are prone to being overweight and other to get atlethic faster. But even if you're a plus size the way your body distributes fat can show alot about your body type but it's not well mentioned by Kibbe.
So Ally made a video especially for men and often mentiones plus size women, strongly reccomend.
Yes, I love Aly's videos and how she speaks about the types with admiration without judgement. Once I realised what type I am I understood why some of my clothes work and why I can never find a good blazer for me. For me the system was nothing but helpful.
every time i watch tiffany i feel a lil bit more educated
I always love how eloquently you approach topics. I can really tell how much effort you put into researching and carefully wording what you say to be as thoughtful and inclusive as possible. That’s something I sincerely appreciate. And it was great seeing some awesome new LADIES on your channel 😂 Can’t wait to check them all out further 💕
I hate stuff that tries to tell you what kind of hair/clothes/etc you should use based on your body/face shape. If everyone with similar bodies had the same hair, makeup, and clothes, it would just be 13 kinds of clones walking around.
Omfg I love this video format, your explanation and the feedback form other youtubers who watch you! I havent seen anyone do it like this before and it really informs a very wide perception and different opinions during the analysis! Please keep this up, I am in love with it!
I think sometimes people complain too much, am in the minority group that isn't represented but seriously, these systems are just guidelines to help you style yourself. Its also very helpful for stylish especially for movies when creating a character's style. We are human beings so sometimes something that may suit you might not be what you like, but that doesn't mean it doesn't suit you for example am short but I love Horizontal stripes and I will always wear them even if they make me look shorter. But I cant just pretend they don't make me look shorter and wider.
Everything just can't suit everyone, that's just unrealistic. Sometimes people get stuck in the idea that whatever makes them happy will suit them only to buy something and immediately get bored of it and then they have to buy another one and the cycle continues.
As a 39 year old women I would say I have really appreciated people like Ally Art and quite honestly learning about what could look great with what I’m already working with.
She seriously stopped me from ever getting lip injections. If you mess with the proportions of your face, even one part, you risk wanting to change all of it. Hence Kylie Jenner :)
Walls and labels have been around for a long time. I mean I was a teen in the 90s and the ideal was supermodel skinny or “heroin chic”
The hour glass ideal of today would have been helpful for many women -
Ofcourse we need to be wary of labels, but we are all judged on how we look. We can’t escape that.
Perhaps interviewing women in their 30s plus could be a great follow up?
Oh and I could care less about Kibbe, he needs a modern rehaul :) so bring on the interpretations.
I always thought you were a capricorn! Just by the way you present yourself and the way you talk. I always fall for caps. Makes sense bc your rising is how you usually come across to people! Love your content!
As an artist i really like the concept of this, its more entailing the "vibe" rather than a strict structure. You get body tropes already in media, but they dont tend to be as detailed in the body/or face types as these do. Its hard to describe because the descriptions arent exactly vague, because they do pinpoint what contributes to each vibe, and the orientation to other features, but they arent detailed in giving an exact silloutte or specifics like "high cheek bones" are always a feature. So you can have high cheekbones in a few different categories, its just more about how they interact with other features you have, or if you are softer/fleshier/less toned its going to give a different impact. This would impact the way i would draw a character, if i knew their personality before their imagery. Helps find references for what you are planning. Helps when you are dressing aesthetically, or to improve your own personal style to achieve certain vibes and themes. Sometimes helps people who havent come to terms with their body type that noone within their type, and even other types can achieve, say a "whispy etheral" look, at least in the same clothing that someone from another body type could achieve.
I think a positive aspect for people who arent artistic IS looking at their own bodies objectively. Objectifying them can be freeing in a sense. Its not critical or negative, its more about coming to terms and being realistic. You can find the beauty in it that you didnt see before, not just what you knew or thought was negative. And you can look at other people like that as well. I call it artist vision, like xray vision. Once you get the hang of it and "draw from that" in objectifying people you know, you start to realize how much their personality and mannerisms colors how you perceive them, more so than what their body type/shape is.
And i can relate to what Maddie was saying, but i think when you are bigger, you have to get to know your body a bit differently. Its not just by looking, its by moving and by touching yourself. Touch your hips, encircle your wrist (i know i have big boney wrists, and that has nothign to do with fat and flesh they were always too big for most bracelets long before i gained weight), touch your face, move around and adjust your posture to get a feel of where your shoulders and hips rest. I also know that i have wide feet, my legs are porportional to my torso, i have a large head/cranium. Im big boned in a lot of areas *and* plus sized, i have slightly longer fingers than average, but barely, and i dont have wide hips, nor a thigh gap, even at my thinnest. And i think from there i can extrapolate. And thats all from just 20 years of running this bad boy around...the past ten have offered me a lot less knowledge on my shape, more on my movement and system functions.
there's another youtuber i like called jenny mustard and she does a lot of really great positive videos in this area. she has one that's called "dressing for your body type" or something similar, but what she promotes isn't what you'd traditionally expect. basically she gives tips on how to accentuate the parts of your body that you like instead of how to hide the parts that you don't like.
for example, she'll show what kind of clothes show off your hips, legs, or shoulders instead of how to hide them. i'd recommend giving it a watch if you're interested, and i personally found it both practical and a great new way of thinking about clothes and body types.
This is an art theory. You find the lines you have and then dress in a way that repeats and accentuates them.
My immediate thought of what's missing from this particular analysis is... this is no doubt not very friendly to those with physical disabilities and other differences that change how their bodies are shaped on a structural level.
True, didn’t even think of that
Love that 3 out of the 4 girls had less than 1k subs before this 😍 real creators support creators of all sizes 💖 and we *love* to see it
It’s like you always know telepathically what I was just watching a minute ago... 😨
Honestly - I’m cis, white, and fairly slim... and I found it all ridiculous and baffling. For a while I thought I just didn’t understand it or needed an ‘expert’ to assess me, as my body didn’t seem to fit any of the categories! Eventually I realised that it wasn’t me, or my body, or my understanding... the truth for me is that it ultimately just doesn’t make any sense 🤷🏼♀️
i had a similar experience. alot of the options (at least on the quiz linked here that they all took ) are hard to visualise- how can eyes be "upturned"? genuinely double checked on that one that it wasn't asking about my nose
Seems like a stretch to say a system that’s helped many woman over the decade just “doesn’t make any sense”. Can you elaborate on why
the thing that really gets me about this system, i think, is the way that it's meant to emphasize your "best" features but..... which are the "best"??
The bone structure bit makes me curious how well it works on disabled people too like my bone structure involves arthritis and scoliosis both of these affect my bodie’s shape and what looks good on me but I doubt that’d be included in the test.
This video is epic! So well thought of and edited! Content, representation, topic, everything on point! Love it!
These women are so beautiful and smart
I love this system so much I'm struggling to wait until the end of the video to comment lol
I feel like Tiffany is on the same RUclips track I am. Like whenever I start to deep dive into a section of RUclips she makes a video about it.
26:03 FACTS
Systems directed to Women’s body types are always named after food like pear body shapes or apples body shapes
Even shades of makeup are named after foods/flavors like mocha or chocolate
Weirdly enough this test helped me to realize I have some body issues... so then I tried to look at my body objectively just by looking at the picture and not thinking about the comments I've received throught my life. I discovered my body is quite balanced even though I'm 1,56 m and 57kg. Still don't know if I'm a soft classic or soft natural though 🤷♀️
I feel like this also excludes disabled people, if you have a scoliosis or limb differences or dwarfism it may make it hard to fit into one of the body types.
Finding kibbe really change my perception of my own appearance and help with confidence but I agree its a guildline not a rulebook
I weighed 97 pounds from the eighth grade into my thirties. I now weigh 180 pounds. I’ve also had two children, so my hips widened and I have a larger cup size, even when I have lost weight. My wife is trans, so her body type has certainly changed. Wear what makes you feel the way that you want to feel, whether that’s sexy, empowered, whimsical, whatever. I’m never a fan of what to wear for your body type or your age.
Personally, I prefer B-I-P-O-C not Bi-poc. Bi-poc makes me think it is referring to Bisexual People of Color, and also I think spelling out the full acronym makes it a little more clear what it is, but I understand that it's faster to say and im not that picky about it.
so excited for the next part!
Personally, I don’t really like the Kibbe system. I generally don’t like the concept of putting labels on bodies and categorizing them, and the test did actually make me feel pretty dysmorphic. However; I can see why people like the system, since if you connect with a specific body type, it can make styling way easier.
“Don’t try to find what suits you, be you”
-Me
it is not only for women but for men too (and i guess everyone in between)
we (try to) type men pretty regularly on the kibbe subreddit
It was really hard to take objectively, so I'm glad I'm not the only one. And from the feed back the creators gave, it doesn't matter what your body type is when it comes to the difficulty of the test taking. Idk if that makes sense or if anyone will even see this lol. Hope everyone knows that your shape doesn't dictate your beauty, and I can guarantee you you're beautiful/handsome/stunning. :)
I have noticed that most associate 'yang' with dark and glumly colours while in Chinese character for 'yang' means 'sunny side of the hill' and is associated with light, warm and bright.
Took the quiz while watching
It said I was “natural”
I didn’t realize “natural” translated to “Twig Person”, but ok
I agree that the Kibbe system should be updated and more inclusive, and also that it can be very confusing. Definitely have your bestie help you answer the questions with you if you’re curious. I personally had a really good experience discovering kibbie, like NO WONDER curly hair or frilly clothes just didn’t do it for me. I learned that I look beat in sleek, angular styles with a defined waist and not too much pattern. Since adopting the clothing style I’ve felt a lot more confident in my body. It honestly helped me avoid comparing my body to (and buying clothes off of) the hourglass figure bodies when I shop online since I’m mostly a dramatic, I think dramatic classic?
This has been a real thought for me lately. Like what would a professional stylist style me like? How do I flatter myself best? I actually find this really interesting and I have to figure it out for myself now 😁
The thing is that they put facial structures and body types together in one group. While in relaity you can see a "mismatch" between faces and bodies. Someone with very soft facial features can still have a tall, straight-bony body. Also some short people can be put more in the yang group, and some very tall people can look yin. There can even be a slight type difference between upper and lower body, which makes it difficult to type that body. I am not against this classification, since grouping things is what humans naturally do to process information easier. I am only saying that next step would be to show what effect different clothing shapes, fabrics and patterns can have on the optical effect. So f.e. the difference in neck cuts which either make your shoulders and buste look broader, or smaller. And then one can decide for themselves, whether they want the optical effect of broader shoulders, or to make the shoulders look slimmer. And this with different body parts. Since this also depends on the mood, context end many more factors. In some business meeting a woman representative would want to look more authoritative, so she could opt for a more straight, sharp clothing piece, which defines shoulders. But for a romantic picnic lunch she might want to look very youthful-feminine and flowy, with light and soft features. Both versions can be achieved to a certain degree with every body type, but this would not be brought up if one would follow the system.
@@Black.Spades You view people as whole and determine what their body type is. :) Softer, yin dominant people who are tall are most likely soft dramatics. The mixture of the opposites usually fall into the gamine types.
Oh my god, hi!!! I love you! I do your 15 minute Monday-Sunday yoga flows everyday.
cosmic witch bitch 💙💙💙
I'm not offended by this test but it sent me in circles to the point where it wasn't even that helpful. it's cool to know I'm a romantic but I have done nothing with that information since finding out haha. at least i know me and beyonce have the same body type lol.
I feel like they were taking out their insecurities on the test ngl....
Aly Art's channel gives some advice about what suits each body type best
You're so pretty
aly arts channel is helpful in general as sh6e doesn't give tips on h6ow to defy how you look but rath6er h6elp you out on what you're trying5 to achieve, for example, she has a glasses video and she doesn't go "for angular faces its g5ood to wear round g5lasses and for rounder faces its better to wear th6em squared so you won't look so round"_ instead sh6e compliments both6 features and h6ow g5lass frames ch6ang5es th6e outlook in g5eneral.
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(lots of 5s and 6s, my keyboard is screwed)
If it helps you most likely don’t have the correct type. If that is you on your channel then you are certainly not pure yin. You may get more out of it if you find your correct type.
Tanya's comment about skin tone and body shape being compared to food is SO ACCURATE
she was absolutely and incredibly beautiful. she definitely looks like a model, and was very smart too, with so many insights on the system.
i have to say, all the ladies were beautiful and smart, and i don't want to downplay the beauty in their inherent and unique styles and types of body.
but ash (tanya) literally looks like a nubian queen, someone they would have built giant statues of in ancient times.
my tastes are more gender neutral, so physically i'm most attracted to haley's style and appearance. but really, i'm not super concerned about how bodies look, but rather the person on the inside that their style represents. idk if that makes sense. like, how you dress and carry yourself and speak and think, those are the things i look at in finding someone attractive.
i've had a few glasses of wine, so i'm sorry if some of what i wrote came out wrong. i think all four of these women are absolutely perfect, beautiful, intelligent, and insightful. every one of them has enriched my life
Gotta love reading pretentious YA novels where women walk in with "caramel skin, almond eyes, and candy floss hair~~~~"
@Joanna Simon I am aware.
Danielle Spargo i think we could have gone without the “nubian queen” bit lmao
maia
i'm sorry 😔
that was truly the vibes she gave off, not just in her appearance, but posture and grace.
i just love history, and nubia was a massive kingdom, the size of egypt, and while they were constantly in conflict, they usually had a very back and forth struggle over the nile valley. i'm from south africa myself, so african history fascinates me so much. the nubians had flawless, radiant dark skin, while the egyptians, on the mediterranean had many helenistic traits, that came from greece and the arabian peninsula. I meant it with the highest praise, but of course i'm from a different culture, so it's not always obvious to me if i'm being insensitive on accident. but the nubians were one of the first great civilizations, being cultured thousands of years BC, possibly before even the egyptians. i love their history, but if there are any more recent connotations involving that phrase that i'm unaware of, i definitely didn't mean it in any way like that.
i may be rambling, because i'm now on my third bottle of wine. saturday nights just be like that sometimes lol
anyway, if there's anything you can teach me, i'm always willing to learn. thank you for your patience
As a black man, i have to redefine the “average” according to my sex and race. The bust and hip questions are difficult. For features like lips and nose the answers are significantly different due to my race. The hair question is completely out the window for me. However, I get A LOT more compliments when I dress in my flamboyant gamine lines.
sincere carter Good on you!
you probably already know this, but for any guy reading this, Aly Art has a video on Kibbe types for men.
I agree so much that a lot of these “type” things are so white centered. Especially the seasons, when you’re tan/brown/black, you’re automatically labelled an autumn
Wow, creative The men’s kibbe video was really interesting because it was her perspective on how certain features translate to men. And exactly. Billions of people would be considered autumn but those same billions of people wear a variety of colors and look good in it. I’ve gotten more use out of knowing that i’m muted, not clear.
I'd say Michelle O is more a flamboyant linebacker or a classic dramatic nose tackle. What do you think?
@@plasticfrog4533 yes they totally are! I'm automatically labeled autumn, but I look best in spring and some summer colors 😂 big rjp
@@plasticfrog4533 Not really. You can be winter and black (Lupita Nyong’o is winter, she looks the best in cool and bright colours). The system is based on certain features of colours, the problem is most tests are written from white person perspective. Winter is more about saturation and cool undertones - the more saturated and cooler undertones on your body the more wintery you are.
Me trying to take this test with body dysmorphia and second guessing my appearance: *sweating intensifies*
there's a Reddit group that types people if you are comfortable sharing photos of yourself. For me, typing has definetly helped a lot, I can't look objectively at my body
I haven’t been diagnosed with body dysmorphia, but I very much believe I have it. I want to take the quiz so bad but I’m scared I’ll just end up feeling so bad about myself /:
I've had body dysmorphia since I've been aware of having a body. As an adult woman, I have broad shoulders, large bust, short, thick waist, narrow hips,flat butt, looooooong, skinny arms and legs. I'm also 6'2". I don't have a body type, and no women's clothing off a rack fit me. The only time I liked my body was after I got rhabdomyolysis and had to be on dialysis. I went from 220lbs to 163lbs.
that's why you need to ask OTHERS. I thought I looked smaller than my real height, but others always think I'm slightly taller. I thought my lips were thin, but others think they're moderate and shapely. you just can't take the test on your own because even mirrors distort our perception.
Same. I don't know how i actually look like. My best friend says i have big hips for my body type, which i guess is very skinny. But i feel fat and without a shape, just like a square. Just thinking about how i actually look like makes me cry.
Out of all the labels you can use to describe body types kibbe is the most "body positive". When using "pear, apple, hourglass" there's one type you're trying to look like. Eg if you're a pear, accentuate your bust to look like an hourglass. In kibbe you're not trying to look like some other body type, you're just taking what looks best on you. That being said I don't think one should take the kibbe bodytypes as anything more than guidelines. I learned that higher necklines look better one me (I always knew it but it just confirmed my suspicions)
Facts!! Being compared to objects isn't the one ahah.
It's true that it's a better system than one revolved around trying to fit a type you're not, but I honestly think it doesn't include a lot of body types (although I concede that maybe I don't understand it very well!). I wonder if there are modified kibbe systems with wider rangers/other attributes added to the test
I like that part too, but the descriptors were totally ridiculous to me
@@TheRaquelephant the system is very complex and there are hybrids. I thibk anyone can find their kibbe type
Interesting. I like the classic shape system, as I've never thought of it as trying to look like an hourglass. I'm a pear shape, and I use that knowledge to accentuate my pear features (larger butt, small waist). I have no interest in looking like an hourglass.
What I love about Aly Art is that she always describes all body types and features so beautifully, my confidence always goes 📈 when I watch one of her videos
same!!
Yeah! Broad shoulders? Beautiful! Wide hips? Those are yin swirls! I love Aly Art! She just shares how to show off certain things if you like them
I have an issue with her because I recall her mayyybe using the t slur in a vid (which sucks because I think the Kibbe can be super useful for trans folks, considering yin yang soft sharp is basically what people perceive as masc or fem) but she didn’t articulate much so maybe she said something else and maybe it’s a language mistake. But now I’m a bit skeptical of the “body positivity”, tho I really like how she makes an effort to call body features others would call undesirable “beautiful” and I’m sure she believes it, for cis women.
She has said in the past that Dramatic/Flamboyant Natural women “look like men” and if you put a wig on a Romantic man he’d look like a woman
Me too
Maddie's comments on how hard it is to take the test as a large person, especially when the test is asking you to consider the bones and I'm like "I CAN'T EFFING SEE MY BONES! ONLY SQUISH!" I felt those comments in a deep place.
Chubby gals unite🙌
Same here
So I'm a Black woman, 26, a Romantic and I've enjoyed the Kibbe body type system. I never had much of a problem identifying body lines or bone structure, but I'm also an artist and I've spent a lot of time looking at and analyzing the human figure over years of figure drawing. I've drawn a lot of plus size models over the years and there's still a lot of body structure variation among them. Admittedly you do have to recalibrate when it comes to analyzing features through a filter of race though. Like thinking of questions more in a line of do you have full or smaller lips *for a black girl? But as a POC you kinda do that subconsciously anyway, like when you hear someone say someone like Angelina Jolie or Kylie Jenner have full lips, you know they mean full lips for a white person. I've found that the Kibbe system does work for POC, but there does need to be more examples of POC.
Merriam Style has a good video on Kibbe for Black WOC.
So the upsides of Kibbe is that it's pretty body positive and confirms things that you've might have already realized about what looks good on your body. For me being romantic, it was why scoop and v neck tops look better than crew necks, why empire waist dresses and tops rarely work well on me, that waist emphasis looks good on me and clothes with straighter silhouettes look boxy. Kibbe also helps give suggestions on clothes that you may not of thought of that would compliment your body. It also can cover things that other body type systems can lack, like why I have small hands and thin wrists and ankles like an ectomorph, but wide hips and thick thighs like an endomorph. Or why when I'm in really good shape you can hardly see any muscle definition but other girls can have defined shoulder and leg muscles even when they don't work out, its because I'm a Romantic body type.
The down side of Kibbe is that at times it can make you feel a bit like you're in a box. Especially if there's an item you really like that the system discourages you from wearing. For me it's chunky platform boots. I still wear chunky platforms combat boots but I like to look for ones with more "softer" details like faux suede detailing, a tapered ankle or ribbon laces.
This is an aside but an identifying system that I've always side eyed for being kinda Euro-centric is the Color season system because it relies so heavily on hair and eye color. The vast majority of human beings have dark hair and dark eyes. Like according to it I'd be a deep autumn. But wouldn't that also kinda mean that only White people could be Springs or Summers? Like sure there are POC with green, hazel or grey eyes but their more of a rarity, and those features are largely associated with being mixed.
Your eye/hair color has less of an impact than overall skin tone. I’m a very deep cool tone with amber-ish color eyes and the very darkest shade of brown (almost black) with warm coppery natural tones . They don’t go together at all in theory, but they do, and I look best in deep winter hues because of my skin. There are many cool, dark toned humans with warm eyes and hair. From a person in just the predicament you posed, the color season is very much not eye and hair color dependent. My side note is that olive works well on me when it shouldn’t. I have no green or yellow undertones at all.
Eye and hair colour has no impact on your colouring imo, in korea the colour system is massive and obviously koreans arent gonna have green eyes but a lot of them are still spring or summer
Oh the color season system is more about tone not shade. Two dark skinned black woman can be of a similar depth of skin tone and hair color, BUT one can have a red undertone to their skin, hair, and have yellowish whites of the eyes. The other person could have a cool undertone to their skin and hair, with clear whites of the eyes. They're two different seasons. Revisit some new content on color seasons, maybe by POC. You might find your season.
Merriam Style did a couple of videos about color typing for WOC, they are really informative! But then again she has her own system so yeah, the standart season typing sucks.
I kinda had a bone to pick with the color system bc they say you cant be dark, cool and muted and it's just sad. White ppl apparently can fit into any category of the colors and I just donr get why I cant
I don't think hourglass figures need a flat stomach, personally
There was a belly bend in a decade of Victorian corsets, to accommodate "womenly" figures.
And 👏we 👏a 👏gree. We can't have it all but It's like society push to be curvy but at the same time have a flat stomach, slim arms, anyway a slender body but with curves please 💀. By knowing I have a Romantic type, I understood why I didn't fitted these criterias.
also you don’t need big boobs. it’s defined by your shoulder/waist/hip ratio. i have virtually no chest and i still very much so am an hourglass.
Yeah, I second this original comment. Hourglass is about the silhouette, not if someone has a gut.
Thank you for saying that ❤️ I am an hourglass but I was always insecure about my not flat stomach. Comments like this make me feel better about my body
Just wanna say it was great taking part and learning something new. Hearing everyone else's experiences/ opinions on the Kibbe system has also opened my eyes to things like height, sizing and how exclusionary it is in parts. Also everyone looks so cool and pretty omg !!! Thanks for the opportunity Tiffany, can't wait for part 2 💕
Ash Tanya loved your thoughts Ash!! 💛
The kibbe system has been a major part in my ED recovery. Nowadays it’s too often to compare your body to every woman you see online and in the media and to wonder why “trendy” clothing doesn’t look right on your frame. ***The free online test did not work for me***. If you’re someone with a distorted body image, answering highly specific questions about your form will not work. I was typed through my own research and through the reddit group (posting pics without my face and lots of blurring). I’m a soft natural but since I’ve always wanted hips and more curves I was trying so hard to be a soft dramatic. Realizing what you ACTUALLY look like is so helpful when learning how to dress for your shape.
I’m glad it’s helped you! 💛
I agree, it helped me too with my ed :) now i can really see the unique shape of my body and how to embrace it
Thank you so much for this advice! I was worried about taking it and feeling triggered. 💛
Lol kibbes definitely helped me with making my ED so much worse
@@emismith4655 I'm sorry to hear that it's worse, I wish I could offer some kind of help if you would want it. You can ignore the rest of this if you're not interested but maybe it's a perspective you can try? Like for the others it helped me get better and the reason for me personally is that I realised that I'm not deformed and fat, I'm just a soft type (SD). That doesn't mean inherently flawed or doomed to be viewed as ugly - no type is inherently ugly or bad. It just means that the things that suit a FG, G or SG (those were what I wanted to look like) are not going to flatter me the same way but that doesn't mean I'm faulty. It also removes a lot of the triggering parts from trying on clothing or figuring out what to wear leaving more energy to focus on getting better, and seeing what the actual problem is that made me focus so much on weight, because most EDs are symptoms of something else, but I'm guessing you knew that already
The more I learn about this the more confused I get, to me, it feels like astrology for clothes 😂
Lol... I skipped the test and read the explanations of the types. I am very short so that eliminated a bunch of them. I narrowed it down to 2 possible 3, and that's honestly good enough for me for a starting point. (The three are all next to each other so it's likely the one in the middle that is me.)
I have taken a quiz on this before and my result was soft natural. I like to wear more androgynous outfits but all of the style recommendations seemed to center softness and femininity which isn't something that makes me feel very comfortable so I just abandoned the topic completely. For me, self expression is more important than following style guides.
It's nice to hear you analyze the topic more in depth as opposed to many other creators who use it without approaching it critically.
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There’s a youtuber, I think her name is Elyssa, that talks about incorporating the general rules for your Kibbe type into your personal style. I think youtuber Merriam style does the same. I find that no one in the community really takes the rules as gospel it’s more about incorporating them into your personal style. It’s basically round(yin) vs sharp(Yang) and using these clothing elements to compliment your body.
Also these quizzes can be extremely harmful for people who don't fit into any body type. A friend of mine is very flat and has a great sense os style but suffered a lot bc so many body type quizzes told her she didnt have any of the "main" female body types
It’s what makes you more attractive and would suit you best. Doesn’t mean you have to wear it. Like some women can pull of the thin eyebrow look and other can’t. Doesn’t mean you can’t have thin eyebrows. If you like thin eyebrows then wear it
Same! I got soft dramatic and really liked the dramatic part. But then the style description said to emphasize my rounder features that come with the soft part.
No thanks, lol. Those soft ones are actually the features of my body that I like the least.
I love his system because he's telling you to OWN what you've got. COMPLIMENTING your natural edges and curves instead of drowning them in whatever's trendy. Typing and categorizing is such a natural things for humans to do to make sense of things.
Yes and it actually helps when you eliminate the 100 things that don't flatter you, you are left with things that do.
As a French person, I'm cringing so hard each time they say gamine, like why someone thought it would be a good idea to use a word that literally means "little girl" to describe grown women bodies?
I've never heard of the Kibbe system but am used to hearing women be described as gamine, specifically those that are youthful, charmingly boyish, and/or waifish and flat-chested. I'm not sure when it entered the English language, but I'm certain that it far predates this Kibbe guy's work. I agree that society's attraction to infantile qualities and features in adult women is creepy, but it's helpful to have a specific term for that preoccupation in our vocabulary, imo.
When Maddie said “scrunched the png” I lost it
same 😂
Tried taking a quiz to find out my type. My body dysmorphia said: no ma’am
if you’re really curious there’s a page on reddit dedicated to typing people, you could post photos of your body and people there will type you. Not everyone is comfortable with that but I thought it’d be interested to share.
Sierra Aldenkamp it’s called r/Kibbe. The liberation of the interpretation of the system is also much bigger there, ppl make their own modern collages and translate guides into modern recommendations. Some of the mods are from the FB Strictly Kibbe tho and periodically try to prove everyone wrong tho lmao
I also have body dysmorphia. I joined their reddit group, posted a pic of myself and got people to type me. I am relieved to know now!!
You dont need a body dysmorphia to suck at taking the quiz, itjuat that frusrrating
It was so interesting to hear from other lovely ladies about their opinions and their experiences about their body image. Thank you Tiffany for the opportunity to and I’m so thankful for the experience 💖I’m so excited for part 2:)
Daily Larisa loved your thoughts, Larisa! ❤️❤️
Your accent is delightful.
As a neurodiverse autistic woman, the kibbe body type system has helped me tremendously. My mind works well with having scientific and mathematical guides and systems. The Kibbe system helps me to better understand fashion and helps me reduce clothes shopping stress. It’s helped me to love and embrace the body I have, instead of trying to fix problems or change it like other fashion advice does. It’s also helped me with choosing haircuts and glasses. I used to be more anxious and indecisive about shopping, but Kibbe helps me to narrow down my options and then from there I can choose what I like best or what’s comfortable, without compromising on a flattering style. I found the Kibbe system to be kind of confusing initially, but the more I learned the easier it became to identify each type and their differences.
Fair, but Kibbe body typing isn't scientific. It's pseudoscientific at best.
At 20:16 it kind of made me angry that he cited himself as the FIRST one to encourage self-love and acceptance. That's super tone-deaf, especially considering that one of the first people to critically write about self-care was Audre Lorde, a queer, black woman who coined the term in conjunction with preserving and adapting culture for black women in the face of systemic racism in 70's and 80's. Idk man, raises alot of red flags to me.
Yesss great point! It’s so strange to declare yourself as the first or most groundbreaking person - his website is very self-aggrandizing!
That alone would be enough for me to have no interest in this system.
Lol super relevant now that a member was kicked out of r/Kibbe for asking people to list 3 things they like about their body. Apparently she was copying a Strictly Kibbe exercise without his permission. Even though it's a pretty common self love exercise
@@nm9688 oh so that’s what all the “controversy” was about, I couldn’t seem to figure out what was going on in that subreddit 😅
You mention your interest in personality quizzes a bit so I recommend The Personality Brokers: The Strange History of Myers-Briggs and the Birth of Personality Testing. It goes into the history of Myers and Briggs, as well as gives critiques of the MBTI and investigates Personality Testing as a concept. Not a perfect book but it is pretty good.
Rachel Burns oooh yes very interesting! I’ll add it to my reading list ✨
@@tiffanyferg MBTI nerds have typed you as ENFP, almost spot on! Hehe
As an hourglass I found it super interesting to hear what Larisa said about hourglass figures being over represented in the media and making women with fewer curves insecure. I've always experienced the complete opposite. Whenever you shop online, all the models have that gorgeous skinny, almost childlike figure, which to me looks so beautiful and I have always wanted. Shopping for clothes as an hourglass is a chore, I can't just buy something and assume it will look good on me, everything has to be thought through, tried on, analysed. It is SO easy for something to look weird or bad on my body, mostly because curvier bodies need more tailoring, darting and shaping to be flattered and fast fashion shoots boxy, easy to produce garments that will fit statistically the most people possible. The best (or in my case worst hahah) example is the high waisted jean! No matter the brand, the waist will *always* be too big. So it really goes to show how subjective our views and experiences are and how much we focus on some things and not on others.
I absolutely agree, I rarely find anything that easily fits. I’ve been considering learning to trailer because of this issue. A lot of clothing makes me look bigger than I am or fits very uncomfortably. I particularly struggle with button up shirts and pants. Dresses and skirts are easier.
My body more resembles the ideal renaissance body which is really different to the toned very slim bodies of the 2010s and the Kim k bodies in now.
hourglasses are sexualized, skinny is aestheticized (?). thats the difference between both of their attractions in society and even fall under "ugly" categories for people who uphold these ideas / standards. skinny is "ugly" to ones who sexualize hour glass and hour glass is "ugly" to those who aestheticize skinny, neither can win in most places (though some do get worse treatment)
The things I really liked about Kibbe was that at least through Aly's videos, it seemed that anyone of any size could find space within the Kibbe system, which was nice. So tbh I like her representation of it way more than the actual Kibbe system. Just an Aly stan ig 😂
Edit: for those interested, I think I'm a romantic/theatrical romantic (I'm pretty in the middle so who knows lol), but I prefer a lot of gamine styles so I wear whatever I want basically lol
I agree Ally was good at explaining. I also like to wear what I want 😂😂
When Tiffany said “the book Metamorphosis” I had flashbacks to tenth grade English.
lol I had flashbacks to Year 10 Latin
lmao me too, we had that in german literature and it's gonna haunt me forever
"Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheuren Ungeziefer verwandelt."
Oh Kafka....
omg we read that in 10th grade english too lmao...it was a good story but it was sooooo sad
@@lili-cl1zx I had this in German and THEN in my English degree in uni where I was like "the fuck, I didnt come here to read that guy again!" ...saved my ass though, since my professor thought I was a lot smarter than I am, just because I knew the book and could point out translation... issues. so... thanks Kafka?
It’s all about priorities- do you prioritize the clothes your wear and how the GARMENTS themselves make you feel, or do you prioritize how those clothes LOOK on you and how THAT makes you feel? Both are fair priorities!!! I think that if you’re someone who already thinks “wear what you want, body types don’t matter” then this test is simply not of use for you. And that’s fine! This test is helpful for those who WANT some tips, explanations and maybe a general idea of a direction they could go in. For example I spent my whole life being confused about why most of the trends I loved on others didn’t have the same desired final effect on me. I loved very straight geometric lines and high contrast, but always looked silly in both, which made me feel silly. It made me feel frustrated and confused. Through this test I realized I was a Theatrical Romantic and that explained EVERYTHING to me. I started to understand the “science” behind what flattered me the most and worked on finding items of clothing that married the softer silhouettes that look best on me but that still have some of the “edge” and “structure” that I already liked. So idk, just my opinion/experience :)
In my case it helped understand why I didn't like certain stuff on me but loved it in other people, it wasn't that my body was wrong it's that the lines are too contrasting and I just didn't like how it looked now I know that I enjoy how certain lines, cuts and fabrics look on me
Me: agrees that body types are unnecessary and we should wear what we want
Also me: takes the test right after watching the video
I kinda wish you had also included someone who's already a bit more experienced with the whole kibbe stuff, not just people who are completely new to it (since it does seem pretty overwhelming and complicated in the beginning).
My personal experience with kibbe is that it's all about essence, not rules. If you know your own geometry and the way things interact with your body, you can follow, break and just play around with those rules all you want. I grew so much more appreciative of body diversity in the past few years bc of the system and I really hope that it'll stick around and get the upgrades that it deserves ❤️
Well said! It was very disorienting for me at first, and it took time to train the eye to notice the geometry of the body. When I understood it, it reaffirmed that all bodies are beautiful, and that certain clothing can celebrate and enhance those unique features. Also hopeful that it continues to develop so we can have a more contemporary version.
totally agree with this!
I think she mentioned that this was the first part in a series. Maybe she'll bring in people with more knowledge on it. 🤷🏾♀️
I think she wanted to do a blind reaction first.
Agreed, because some of the critiques they had just tell that they didn't understand some of the concepts (like saying they don't look like x celebrity in their category, they didn't understand that just because two people are the same category, doesn't mean their bodies have to look alike exactly). Another example was Larisa saying she doesn't know what is average height. It has not to do with how short/tall are the people from your country, if in Japan 165cm is considered tall, it's still average height, and is what matters to the system. I really agree that representation is important, because it helps you to identify yourself more with the pictures, and kibbe should have more confirmed celebrities that are more diverse, but after all, lines and angles do describe everyone.
Also, the whole quizz is just confusing, in my opinion, if someone is over/underweight or works out a lot, they're drawn to A/E or B answers, even if it isn't correct. IMO it's more effective to study the theories, study what all the IDs will or will not have and guess yours by your "vibe" or essence.
It took almost a year of getting in touch with the system for me to figure out I'm flamboyant gamine, and I most take makeup and hair advice, for the clothing, it's more for like, fancier dresses, not basic everyday clothes.
gonna order some fried Kibbeh to eat while I watch this
where did u order them? now i want some! 😋
Fawk, I just looked that up and it looks delicious. 👁👄👁
This made me laugh too hard 😂 God I love kibbeh 👌🏼
That's all I could think of too, lol.
FUN FACT- my older sister’s friend ‘s mom was in that book! she was a model.
Aw that's sweet and kewwll