Noam Chomsky "The Occupation of Palestine: A Short History"
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- Noam Chomsky is an American linguist, philosopher, cognitive scientist, political commentator, social justice activist, and anarcho-syndicalist advocate. Sometimes described as the "father of modern linguistics", Chomsky is also a major figure in analytic philosophy. He has spent most of his career at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), where he is currently Professor Emeritus, and has authored over 100 books. He has been described as a prominent cultural figure, and was voted the "world's top public intellectual" in a 2005 poll.
Chomsky spoke on "The Occupation of Palestine" in Boston on December 10, 2003.
Recorded by Martin Voelker
Published by: it can be pictures, itcanbepictures.com, Boulder, CO
Here we are 20 years later, and this video is, tragically, more relevant than ever.
We shall overcome
Indeed
They call this information propaganda now though
Speaking chomsky was wrong
@@ceooflonelinessinc.267and jesus is god right ?
Bertrand Russell last message to the world. This statement on Palestine was dated 31st January, 1970, and was read on 3rd February, the day after Bertrand Russell’s death, to an International Conference of Parliamentarians meeting in Cairo.
"The latest phase of the undeclared war in the Middle East is based upon a profound miscalculation. The bombing raids deep into Egyptian territory will not persuade the civilian population to surrender, but will stiffen their resolve to resist. This is the lesson of all aerial bombardment.
The Vietnamese who have endured years of American heavy bombing have responded not by capitulation but by shooting down more enemy aircraft. In 1940 my own fellow countrymen resisted Hitler’s bombing raids with unprecedented unity and determination.
For this reason, the present Israeli attacks will fail in their essential purpose, but at the same time they must be condemned vigorously throughout the world.
The development of the crisis in the Middle East is both dangerous and instructive. For over 20 years Israel has expanded by force of arms. After every stage in this expansion Israel has appealed to “reason” and has suggested “negotiations”.
This is the traditional role of the imperial power, because it wishes to consolidate with the least difficulty what it has already taken by violence. Every new conquest becomes the new basis of the proposed negotiation from strength, which ignores the injustice of the previous aggression.
The aggression committed by Israel must be condemned, not only because no state has the right to annexe foreign territory, but because every expansion is an experiment to discover how much more aggression the world will tolerate.
The refugees who surround Palestine in their hundreds of thousands were described recently by the Washington journalist I.F. Stone as “the moral millstone around the neck of world Jewry.
Many of the refugees are now well into the third decade of their precarious existence in temporary settlements. The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was “given” by a foreign Power to another people for the creation of a new State. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless.
With every new conflict their number have increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict.
No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their own country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East.
We are frequently told that we must sympathize with Israel because of the suffering of the Jews in Europe at the hands of the Nazis. I see in this suggestion no reason to perpetuate any suffering.
What Israel is doing today cannot be condoned, and to invoke the horrors of the past to justify those of the present is gross hypocrisy. Not only does Israel condemn a vast number. of refugees to misery; not only are many Arabs under occupation condemned to military rule; but also Israel condemns the Arab nations only recently emerging from colonial status, to continued impoverishment as military demands take precedence over national development.
All who want to see an end to bloodshed in the Middle East must ensure that any settlement does not contain the seeds of future conflict. Justice requires that the first step towards a settlement must be an Israeli withdrawal from all the territories occupied in June, 1967. A new world campaign is needed to help bring justice to the long-suffering people of the Middle East.’
Bertrand Arthur William Russell, 3rd Earl Russell, OM, FRS[7 (18 May 1872 - 2 February 1970) was a British mathematician, philosopher, logician, and public intellectual. He had a considerable influence on mathematics, logic, set theory, linguistics, artificial intelligence, cognitive science, computer science, and various areas of analytic philosophy, especially philosophy of mathematics, philosophy of language, epistemology, and metaphysics.
Smart man... Complex problem.
Russel, a giant among giants, teacher of the teachers.. Russell as well saw everything clearly, no need for mental acrobatics.
What a legend. I never knew he made such a lucid, emphatic statement on the Palestinian plight and Israeli crimes. Everyone should share this so people can know what past intellectual giants saw with moral clarity.
Thank you very much for sharing this invaluable statement from Professor Russel. It is fortunate that we have these great minds like Russel and Chomsky to explain to us what's exactly happening.
Chomsky has a poster of Russell in his office
My dude Chomsky is older than the state of Israel, he knows what he's talking about
no he is quite a simple minded man, he is very dishonest, Chomsky spreads any lie that is against individual freedom, sadly the most ignorant/uneducated in our society view him at a brilliant man, socialism/Marxism is the root of most human suffering, Chomsky knows this, still he is so arrogant he understands uneducated simple minded people will believe his partisan diatribe no matter how dishonest it is
@@timothyneal4859 I'd like to hear you
Share your opinions with him and see how
many seconds it takes him to shrink you
to the size of button hole .
@@aristotle736 I would love to but he would never converse with anyone including me who would fact check him, he dose not have the truth on his side, I was in Israel a number of years ago, a Hamas suicide bomb detonated and killed seven Israelis including three children, injured about two dozen more, An Israeli helicopter attacked the building manufacturing the suicide vest to limit further attacks on Israeli civilians, Chomsky's false narrative "an unprovoked atrocity by the Israeli Military" You can't have an intelligent conservation with Chomsky or any other dishonest person, they will always stick there there false narrative, you should educate yourself on world history, the alternative is to continue to live your life as someone else tool
he does know, but is quite dishonest about it
@@aristotle736 how big is a buttonhole?
I love this man. He is humble, as well.
I met him when I was young, a 20-something and an activist without much stability. Somehow I managed to get a few appointments at his office when he worked at MIT.
You'd be surprised how truly humble -- grateful -- and personable he is.
ha ha ha never was Palestine forget it this man is a lunatic left progressive
ISRAEL
- Arab Supreme Court judge
- Countless Arab judges
- Police chiefs
- Parliament MPs
- 1/3 of all Israeli doctors are Arabs (same with professors)
- Freedom of speech & religion
- Government ministers
Arafat died as one of the world's richest dictators
IMF still searching for MISSING 70 BILLION DOLLARS AIMED FOR PALESTINE
ALL US, EU, Arab countries & UN aid funds stolen
Only recipient-Suha Arafat his dear & beloved wife ($40,000,000)
Escaped France (embezzlement)
Stripped of Tunisian citizenship-corruption
ISRAEL
- Arab Supreme Court judge
- Countless Arab judges
- Police chiefs
- Parliament MPs
- 1/3 of all Israeli doctors are Arabs (same with professors)
- Freedom of speech & religion
- Government ministers
Arafat died as one of the world's richest dictators
IMF still searching for MISSING 70 BILLION DOLLARS AIMED FOR PALESTINE
ALL US, EU, Arab countries & UN aid funds stolen
Only recipient-Suha Arafat his dear & beloved wife ($40,000,000)
Escaped France (embezzlement)
Stripped of Tunisian citizenship-corruption
what a lying bastard' ! 1967 resolution...not A single word about the 7 nations army war coming to kill everyone in israel back than
' that land is ISRAELI BY blood!! WHEN THEY MAKE PEACE THEY CAN HAVE IT BACK!
Have a nice shag?
October 2023, the situation just got a lot worse.
Who do think is to blame?
@@szvqorwnpstahskypfwmp9821America
@@szvqorwnpstahskypfwmp9821 That's always the question isn't it? Everyone blames everyone else.
I blame we the people.
The population for not putting down crazy Psychopaths in office .
It our faults
@@szvqorwnpstahskypfwmp9821the invaders who funded Hamas in order to destabilize the PLO
Chomsky always gives us the information backed up with the documents or literature that we can all research if we want to. Our Gov't and the MSM are mostly propaganda, based on what they want us to believe.
The man is a treasure.
Seriously? Have you NOT been paying attention? The man is spouting off Israeli propaganda
Professor Chomsky’s clarity is amazing and he is so well respected. Thank you Professor.
Lots of socialists for peace. But they're still economically illiterate.
(Noam) is a international treasure. One of billion. inspiring and honest, a world of knowledge.
Yeah a life long fan of terrorists and men with guns.
Lol coming from a dude named mossad 🤣🤣🤣
@@Redpill555 Still true
@shafiq beig Chomsky always picks the wrong side, it's a life long commitment.
Noam is Jewish, and he never chose sides, only facts
And many years later what he said is happening in front of our eyes, and the world is watching.
20 years later and still the US and others maintain the instability of the region.
Damn the israeli bots are really going ham on this one
yup they are so scared they have nothing but insults.
What bots?
Crazy how us humans blame anything but the truth
Wonderful stuff. Sadly last year we were advised not to talk of the Palestinian Israeli troubles in classes. So, no “elementary school” knowlwdge here, no.
and what we have now? the censoring of truth and creating propaganda made things worse and now Israelis are getting exposed. they will pack their bags.
Anecdotally, I can confirm that a more pro-Palestine attitude than the official one does seem more widespread than it appears, and that the media really are shockingly one-sided. My anecdote consists of about half a dozen comments I posted on a few videos about the current violence, and even though I expressed a rather angry and extreme viewpoint, I got hardly any disagreements. Usually when you wade into political debates on social media, any non-mainstream opinion gets piled on immediately, but my strongly pro-Palestine comments provoked almost no disagreements at all, and I found this surprising, since with every post, I was steeling myself for angry responses... which just didn't come. It's just anecdotal, but I find it remarkable, and it tracks with what Professor Chomsky is saying.
Well it’s interesting because almost everything Chomsky says about Ukraine, aligns with Vladimir Putin, everything he says about Palestine, aligns with hamas, everything he says about the United States goes against everything I know about my experience of it and the world! That’s before getting into his “stats” about Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and that’s way before getting into his egregious support of the the Khmer Rouge! Which led to the deaths of more than 1/3 of Cambodians! A genocide of almost a half the population. Again here with Israel and Palestine he conveniently omits most of the history and exaggerates the other portion in one sided favor, egregiously! Always anti American, not born in facts or reality, just his own creation….
I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm probably not as pro-Palestinian as you - I principally want the commentary to recognise the appalling behaviour of Israel over several decades and I'm not getting that in the mainstream media or from the Christian Right. However, I am picking it up in social media and personal conversations.
The truth was easy to hide and distort when the owners of newspapers and TV channels had a monopoly on information.
@@pabis6817 chomsky was never in support of the khmer rouge what are you talking about?
@@hajihajiwa you must be a “liberation fighter” or an academic! He promoted the model of the Khmer Rouge buying completely into their insane soviet style propaganda. It was a complete farce ! Pol Pot by the percentages that are so important to that type, make him the most successful mass murderer of all time! Almost half the population of Cambodia was slaughtered and academics and journalist thought that was better than “intervening”!
What a mind clarity and depth of knowledge. A treasure indeed
I remember when I taught dance to a really cool dance school in the West Bank, very nice people and kind, that was 2007, I remember thinking 10 years later, why is nothing changing? or rather, why is it getting worse? My conclusion was that somebody wants it that way. Thank you Noam, you are a hero and a truth teller.
The GOAT the OG, the one and only Mr. Noam Chomsky
great mind ....beautiful mind ....love and respect
Thanks to the editors for the handling of the questions.
Chomsky gives you the most straightforward, no frills explanation of situations based simply on facts and basic ethics. When he's gone, and may that day be long delayed, his books and his speeches will contain every bit of relevance that they did when they were first delivered.
I checked thumbs up before zip listened to it just knowing what yo expect from this wonderful person.
1:10:30 "That is so obvious that it really takes genius not to see it." Brilliant.
There's quite a lot of truth in a seemingly paradoxical statement like this.
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 "We must learn to unlearn." -- Rousseau. 🙂
It is always such a pleasure to listen to Prof. Chomsky!
On the point....as always.
Whose on the point?
@@MrMsdaffner Chomsky.
Noam Chomsky was telling us the whole time. If you pamper the driving force of a nation's society, the people will here this and simply go on with there lives. Until all hell break's loose.
A true scholar..
20 years later and the headscarfs are worn by everyone in the world and they have become the symbol of support, strength and resilience. I wear mine proudly. It took us too long to see, but now we can never unsee. Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Excellent presentation from a real knowledgeable professor. Not only is he clear on the history of the region but he is also clear on the reason for the conflict to remain active.
The more I follow what is going on in the world, the more I realise that governments a just another form of criminal organisation. It is easy to see that the more a government is powerful, the more corrupt it is. There seems to be a complete correlation between the power and the corruption.
The actual open conflict in Palestine is just one of the consequence of this fact. Like the professor said, you have to be a moron not to see which side is to blame here.
Thank you, professor!!
IF WHAT CHOMSKY IS SAYING IS ACCURATE, THEN THE PALESTINIANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE ANY PEACE PLAN WHICH FALLS SHORT OF FULL DEVOLUTION OF THE FULL TERROTRIAL EXTENSION WEST BANK AND GAZA, THAT IS PRE 1967 BORDERS
Yes
Correct, but they have rejected 1967 border proposals. Look up the Olmert plan. This conflict will never ever be solved with the way it's going.
Depends how far you want to go back in time. The Arabs kicked out the Israelites which is how they spread over Europe. By your logic they have the right to come back. The borders were a way to give both parties a piece of the land.
Why are you shouting?
When in the year 2222 they want to look back in history for good humans Noam Chomsky will be there, not the children of warmongers
Did u really listen to this guy???
Does anyone have a link to the map w/ cantons in west bank?
Please buy his books, knowledge sincere and just. I hope our generation and the new ones to come have something of his calibre. But im afraid its looking very unlikely.
Audio is awful. Sorry I could not hear it He usually speak in a low voice. Very hard to understand it
Recorded in Harvard university.... considering what Cornel went through not sure Harvard would welcome this point of view now.....
What happened in Cornel?
@@gonimysh with Cornel West the professor and activist... he was a tutor in Harvard and he remained steadfast in his defence for Palestine and critique of Israel and certain board members didn't take too kindly to that.. he got his tenure completely revoked...
Wow he was spot on with Khmer Rouge, so surely this is worth listening to, right??
Love him!
The US also bears responsibility along with the occupying apartheid entity in war crimes, crimes against humanity, genocide, state terrorism against the unarmed Palestinian people, targeting civilians, children, weman and the elderly hospitals ....
Did you listen to Chomsky? He himself said he doesn't believe Israel is an apartheid state and he also supports a two state solution which the Palestinians and Hamas reject.
@@Ag-fz3
Absolutely
Free Palestine NOW!
And Assange, and Colombia, and all under imperialism as well!
"you can triangulate as you like" *cheeky smile*
Noam, we all know you mean open borders and worker collectives all run on public opinion. We're waiting for it too. God I hope he lives to see the outcome of the next revolution, he sure as hell fucking earned it...
If you think he'd be happy about a Revolution you sure havent read a lot of what he wrote and said...
The end goal is almost never reached by killing people in a violent overthrow and hoping the right ones will get in power, especially if your End goal is non hierarchical structures and a fair distribution of that power, it would be very unwise to try and get there through military means and possibly years of fighting, hoping that in the end everyone still remembers that all the hierarchies established to effectively fight and, well, not die, are obsolete as soon as the weapons are laid down.
If you truly want what you say you want, you probably know its not gonna happen in our lifetime and shouldnt be brought about by violence.
Good ideas tend not to need violence. If you disagree with that you could just as well give up on any hope, as it would mean that no change can come about because people are to stupid and that would mean that any utopian idea would be dystopian by Definition, as it would have to be forced onto people.
@@teergeret i agree, but the thing is that we live in urgent times that need actioin now. The earth is seriously suffering. Forests, villages, tropical areas, ocean life, people in hot climates all suffer.
People are suffering, animals are suffering in sick institutions... and some people should really disappear if possible...
What do you think?
Also, while answering, have in mind all the revolutions and attempts and revolutionary acts and think about how the world would be wihtou those. But with a slow process instead.
@@merlindabubu9181 first of all, I think we overestimate ourselves if we think we can f the planet up to a point where life is no longer possible.
However it is true that we're changing it to a point that makes it very unhospitable for ourselves.
To change that, we don't need revolution, we need to change peoples minds.
A revolution does not change that many minds, it feeds upon the minds that have been changed already and uses them in a violent power struggle.
The same can be said about most revolutions throughout history.
Most did not change the way people thought, but the way people thought changed so radically that the Institutions in power were incompatible with those they held power over.
So basically what I'm saying is, usually a revolution is just the sign of the "old" power refusing to change.
Since today, that power is Rath er decentralized and relies on wealth first and foremost, a revolution might not be necessary as we do have somewhat Democratic processes by which the framework for industry/economy could be changed to redistribute wealth and by extension power.
This only applies to countries like Germany where I live, where you could theoretically change most of the system by democratic means.
Also, its near impossible because the people in power have a huge Propaganda Operation going on, so Theres that.
But as someone i've seen on youtube put it, revolution is basically a PR campaign with violence, so I guess youd rather fight just the PR campaign rather than having to fight drones with sticks and stones...
Even though that kinda sounds like great PR, but dying probably isnt fun.
@@teergeret He's a syndicalist, the revolution will be fought by and for the workers. (A non-violent revolution is possible, a general strike for example)
Chomsky's mention of the militarisation space at 58:58 is quite poignant with the recent creation of the US "space force"
Norm Chomsky a man of probity and integrity
Chomsky is Hero of the world by simply been honest in any situation he is my teacher in world affairs with my only journalist John pilger
What if I'd told you the guy is extremely misleading you?
Would you even care?
@@guyeshel9316 show source
@@guyeshel9316 what if I told you your vague criticism with no evidence means you are more than likely the one mislead or misleading. Would you even care?
@@guyeshel9316 what if I told you that i'd rather be mislead by more than an hour of spitting facts, context and Nuance, than your comment consisting of...
Well...
None of the above? Would you even care?
Hero?? Jajaja jaja jajaja
FREE PALESTINE!
And then what happens to the Jews and Israelis
@@Lolaismypoopydog2036nothing 😂
You will never hear any of this spoken on any of the evening political talk shows.
I am so ashamed to be Jewish just know alot of people jews or any race with a brain and compassion see you and feel your pain. I'm so sorry and blessings to all I hope things get better so Gaza and Palestinians can be free!
Legend!!
Why? Legend jajaja jaja jajaja
The "International border," or "Green line" as it is sometimes called, is another word for the "Demarcation line" between Israel and Jordan, also known as the "cease-fire line." All towns and villages captured by Israel during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War (e.g. Bayt Nattif, Allar, Deir Abban, etc.) and which were to the west of the "Green-line," they came under the terms of the Israeli-Jordanian armistice agreement. The Six-Day War of 1967 cancelled the 1949 Armistice Agreement between Israel and Jordan, and the situation remained so until other implements were made between the Palestinians and Israel. The terms of the agreement between Israel and Jordan were considered null-and void after the Six-Day War with Jordan. All subsequent agreements signed between Israel and the Palestinian Authority have nothing to do with the 1949 Armistice Agreements, other than the fact that, like the Armistice Agreement of 1949, these new agreements tried to fill-up the void and to give some sense of political order out of the situation where Palestinian-Arabs felt disenfranchised. However, since one of the stipulations of the 1949 Armistice Agreement was "No aggressive action by the armed forces - land, sea, or air - of either Party shall be undertaken, planned, or threatened against the people or the armed forces of the other," and since Jordan attacked Israel in 1967, this was a breach of contract.
Jordan didn’t attack Israel in 1967, Jordan came to the defense of its ally Egypt who was attacked by Israel in one of its several wars of aggression against its neighbors
Ou society does not listen to the wise scholars who predict these things decades in advance! Instead we revere and promote arrogant psychopaths to make policy and decision on our behalves. It’s 😞
Well this is Relevant Again ...
💐👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
If he hadn’t passed away, Robin Williams would’ve k i l l e d in a movie as Noam Chomsky
So where is Jordan, and the prince/ king of Jordan or whatever he is during all this? Or did Jordan relinquish oversight over the east bank?
ty chomsky!
One problem I have with this is that it failed to point out the 1949 border was the result of Arab nation's aggression towards Israel. I think other than the six-day war, all aggressions were started by Arab nations, with the goal of destroying the Israel state. How could Israel trust all these nations? The only reason today most of the Arab nations excepted Israel's existence is because they lost every war they started. So they only understand fist, not reasoning. And by now, Israel pretty much give back all territories gained in 1967, except settlements. And if PLA is corrupt and brutal to its own people, look at Hamas. Is it much better?
This feels very similar to how the US left and liberals treated China before 1949. They rightfully pointed out how KMT (then Chinese national party) and dictator Jiang Jieshi (Chiang Kai-shek) were not democratic and sympathized with CCP (Chinese Communist Party). The US even tried to broker a peace after WWII between KMT and CCP. After KMT and Jiang lost the Chinese Civil War and fled to Taiwan, CCP and Mao turned even more brutal than KMT and Jiang, create famine and started cultural revolution.
Dr. Chomsky called PLA corrupt but we have Hamas to deal with now. When you don't support a party that become more moderate, an worse one will come to power.
Agree. It's also similar to Russia invading Ukraine at the moment. Russia doesn't want them siding with NATO and democratic governments. Israel is bang in the middle of the main Islamic portion of the world.
All those Islamic states want jewish Israel wiped off the planet. And as all good narcissists do, they make out like Israel is the bad guy for defending themselves.
Yes they don't always do it in the best way but Hamas use thier own citizens as human shields so half the blame must fall back on them.
Starting a 6-day war and forcefully declaring land as your state was a huge mistake. Of course, it would have retaliations. We are talking about independence and sovereignty wars that happened throughout history, those people did not fight with themselves, they fought against the occupiers. They killed their enemies, some civilians, and some soldiers. How come they are heroes but Arabs are being unreasonable? If the US or Europe gave Zionists a state within their lands, maybe as an apology for the persecution that happened in Europe, there wouldn't be a retaliation to this extent. That land would be a gift from its people, not something taken by pillage and rape. It seems Israel has chosen the wrong piece of land from very the beginning.
If you're trying to claim that the Nakba or the displacement of Arabs around 1948 was the result of Arab military commands, then that's just historically false and misleading. The new historians' claim to fame is in part due to debunking this longstanding piece of Israeli propaganda, they relied on Israel's own archives for this.
A quick google search or consulting the works of Ilan pappe, for instance, would allow anyone to get more details. The remainder of your first paragraph is just ignorant and a testament to a lack of understanding on Arab societies and how to understand the current positions of the current leadership. A useful starting point would be to check the nature of the so called "leader of the free world"'s relations with Mubarak or Sisi of Egypt and the Al-Saud of Saudi Arabia, the biggest (population wise) and wealthiest of the Arab nations, respectively.
Fun fact: if you put Chomsky on double speed, then he talks at regular speed
The land was here Before Dinos who thought they owned it too. They died,, and so will we. And the planet will still be turning.
Free 🇵🇸 NOW
1948, Jordan has British officers top of them named Glubb annexed west Bank, security of new state Israel..
Palestinians told him that they lost their land, he said that he received orders from his government...
Under the Greek, the Romans...were only armies.
Due to location of Canaan land, later Palestine ..
Always had armies invaders..
The History of the imaginary Palestinian state:
1. Before Israel there was a British Mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, it was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire Was the Islamic State of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic State of the Mamluks from Egypt, the Arab-Kurdish Empire was the Ayyubid, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayyubid Empire was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem was the Umayyad and Fatimid empire, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, the Byzantine Empire was not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were Sassanids, not a Palestinian state. 9. Before the Sassanid Empire was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
11. Before the Roman Empire it was a Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid Empire was the Empire of Alexander, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before Alexander's empire it was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire were the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was no kingdom of Israel in the kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel was not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an accumulation of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. In fact, in this plot of land kingdoms fell and fell .. But there was never a Palestinian state or a people.
The Palestinians are Arabs and Arabs came from the Arabian Peninsula, they are indigenous to the Arabian Peninsula.
It is pure propaganda to claim that Arabs are native to Palestine or that the Palestinians are not Arabs.
@@rsr789Many Countries were thus so it is a simpleton's argument. When Lord Balfour granted a homeland for Zionists in Palestine there were 24,000 Jews in Palestine. Most of the Uk's land is still owned by direct descendants of William the Conqueror and his Knights. Presumably you think they should colonise and run Normandy too.
And just because something is under a British mandate, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s not based on colonial practices that Theodore Herzl, even himself referred to.
And even if it is British mandated, why does that matter?
The British took over so many peoples lands and hundred million Indians died through their policies that they had made
50% of Israelis don’t even practice the Tanakh/Torah and are secularists atheists no different than Karl Marx. He was a product of being pressured by a bunch of Christians living in Europe, who hated Jews, because supposedly the Jews killed Jesus PBUH .
Yet Muslims and Jews, all the way from north Africa into Palestinian regions were together and there are rabbinic individuals who are known for teaching hundreds of thousands of rabbis students and letting people know that Zionism is not the same thing as Judaism .
People don’t even know the history of water written in the scripture and then they use the term Jew as a scapegoat to get away with doing things because of all the things that they’ve sold about their image.
Even the Muslims in the Quran
Accept the fact that Jews will go back to Israel
But under God’s command….
And that’s written in all three of the Scriptures that we have .
Get when all those children who have died since 48 were ignored, and in total happen to be in a larger number, and we don’t know who those people are that have been affected and what they are up to .
And yet you have turned them into villains, or people who are truly trying to press people out of their country, who have force their way in .
If cartel gunman started pressing through your border - and started saying that “ this is our land”-What would you do then?
What if they just Station a entire military base in the middle of Wyoming because they have entire relative lineage history?
It’s absolutely disregarding that people are so blind regarding the whole history of how the Romans were defeated by the Muslims that were the first monotheists, since Moses to fight against polytheists.
Sophronius the priest had banbed all Jews from Jerusalem and also killed them
It was Umar Ibn Khatab who became upset about the fact that the Jews do not have a place in Jerusalem.
@@rsr789 why does there being a British mandate make therefore a difference?
Who were the people who settled the agreement for the British to be the ones who have the mandate in those lands just because the Ottomans left?
You Roman’s are cowards-
Because the same people who gave Israel their a power are the same people who are feeding the culture to be Jewish based but it isn’t
Cause Israel happens to be one of the most promiscuous countries in the world
And even there orthodox community is labeled as orthodox community and not Jewish people.
And when Palestinians were allowing Jewish people to settle after learning about what happened in the holocaust, why did that come with terrorist organizations like Irgun?
We can’t name a single Palestinian terror group at that time period but we can name many Israelis who killed British officials but because there were innocent individuals who were dead that happened to be from the same background as them- they can get away with being seen as bad a** warriors for taking over the homes of other through the control of the British losers?
You don’t have the oldest Torah
And the people who made Israel (a term from the Abrahamic faith) - are just using religion to get their way over proving that they are a land of priests and preachers over people who dehumanize children and innocent people who have died out of your liberal practices
@yourabortion
British mandate on Palestine
Canaan land before then Palestine
Top British officers in Palestine 1916
Was amazed that the coas was covered with Citrus Trees, while west bank covered with Olive trees...
During the Phoenicians time, Canaanites in canaan land and Lebanon established many towns in mideterranian Islands and coasts..
They found town in South Spain established by the Canaanites...
Many Olive trees were planted around it...
It gave the idea to the Spanish to grow Olive trees...
I was in Spain 11 days traveling by car Eve where..in Spain..
All covered by Olive trees similar to west Bank..Occupied land..
In the Past south greater Syria was called Canaan land...east jordan
Agricultural land was extension of west Bank
.when sea peoples occupied the coast...large of them called Philistines...
Canaan land name changed to Palestine.
The Romans called it Syria Palestina...
Every 50 to 100 years foreign armies occupied Palestine..
Its resources couldn't not support large population to protect it..
Search utube. history of Slavic peoples and the Vikings..you will find Khazars kingdom between the Caspian sea Khazars sea and the Black sea...
King Bulan 740 AD converted to Judaism...Moslems took two cities from him..The Byzantines (Christians) fought him. So king Bulan converted to judaism...
Not Islam not Christianity
Ancient Israel belong to ancestry of Palestinians..
Before Islam many parts of Arabia were Jewish and Christians..
Canaan land inhabited by Samaritans of torah and jews in Jerusalem...
Tiny minority in west Bank city of Nablus of Samaritans of torah....
About 6k bc large migration of Semites from south Arabia to east mideterranian and north Africa..
You need to have big eyes and search history...
Dr.Shlomo Sand history professor in tel Aviv University wrote best sellers books about:
No connections between nowadays jews and Israel...
Fuckin Noam. He’s alright, man.
Jrm IDs Cameron hoodie hug evidence is where? Grenfell?
Sad to see Chomski losing his mind as of late.
So the invasion is not debated as it is partially victorious. The occupation is the problem to resolve, a question of time.
that is why they push for people allocation. its easier to obscure in the history books rather than geocide. I understand Israeli motive for a state but to make people diaspora living with no country. I mean do they forgot their roots. I don't understand.
Actual legend
actual piece of shit
Why?
I seem to recall Israel giving up the Golan Heights only to be attacked by artillery and missiles from the heights. They re-took the heights and refused to give them up. Do I remember wrong?
You all have wonderful intellectual comments but what is the solution to what's currently going on now in Gaza? Why doesn't Pres Biden get substantial advice from people like Chomsky?
Has this been transcribed? I'd prefer to read this or even distribute it.
Do it yourself then
I mean, maybe not this talk specifically, but there's no shortage of written material by Chomsky on this subject.
The full description has a transcription button at the bottom which opens to a transcript with time stamps.
Why are you here if not to ask questions and learn? Loser@@triple_gem_shining
Thank you.@@lonelycubicle
46:15 social control parallels
Je never talks on the Versailles peace treaties the source for uprising of German Nazis
The two state solution should be implemented and stop the apartheid regime of Israel . The whole world should unite against them. It will ensure safety of both the parties.
But a two state solution was offered multiple times and was rejected by the Palestinian public and Hamas, who openly call for the annhilation of the Jews. So what now? This conflict will never be resolved.
Respect for a genious
Do indigenous people have a right to live in their land of origin?
I have been trying to follow this S. for the past 25 years, and I still have a very hard time making sense of it. I refuse to take sides, when both sides seem so wrong.
One is murdering the other is being murdered. That clear enough for you genius.
@@the_famous_reply_guy Actually no. You want to fix your sentence so that it is readable, or was that the point? I’m confused. Confused 🫤
@@oregonsbragia autocorrect turned the "One into a Why and that threw you off the rest of the content! You are the Genius and Zionist shill.
Paleztine is the main pain of world,s concience..the case of every free man wherever he is
Please keep it to "no words" Noam. Please go lay down!
His naïveté is not his fault. Hopeful of a settlement is shorthand for wanting the best under the terrible circumstance of occupation. That from a Western hemispheric perspective--thus the naïveté, as our leadership is treating the public like a lot of oiks.
This man should be president of the world.
The sad thing is humble, intelligent men like him do not want to be president. In order to get anything done, he would have to sell his soul.
No.
A country which has never existed cannot be occupied.
every man who beats a woman finds his voice inPalistine
Bizarre. Get help. You need it urgently.
13:14
Uncompromisingly forthright analysis
always the narative start at 1948,,why not take us before that
What about Palestinian Christians?
Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied gaza between 1948-1967. I’m just learning about this now. Why didn’t they create a state then? Can anyone tell me?
Island boy lost me
He is saying things that wont be given a minute in media time... nonetheless most americans dont care...in fact I go say they appreciate the benefits of their imperialistic ambitions.
34:56 the Shah of Iran was overthrown in 1979.
Yea thats to Carter......Now look what we have.
That’s what he meant
No shit, pointdexter
i just wish he wasn't so soporific to listen to
Wow … all he did was give his opinion…. He said years ago the solution to Palestinians problems 😅 was to duplicate the example of Czechoslovakia lol
İt's very clear that he can't speak freedomly and say the truth. He knows if he say they will fight him and maybe he also will losa his job.
He is only trying to show his idea 💡, but not to speak clearly.
Dafuq, he speaks very clearly and freely, there is no conspiracy keeping him from doing so.
@@teergeret oh, there's many people get punished saying the truth 🤚🤚🤚, nearly example the Emily Wilder, she expressed the truth on her social media and get fired from her job, as a journalist with "associated press" and many other examples.
@@teergeret, also Professor, Norman Finklestein got cancelled because he was direct and honest.
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And Mark Lamont got fired because he spoke the truth.
@@robrangerguy there's a football player that get cancelled his contract because he supported Palestinean on social media!! İ don't know his name!!
I feel like I'd like Noam Chomsky if I could ever hear what he was saying
Egypt should annex the West Bank with support from other Arab states to save Palestinian refugees and to subvert both Hamas and Israel and then establish the annexed region as Palestine.
59:56 "we're going to own space" We going to own outer space. Would that be measured by stars or planets and how do we block it out. You really wonder how this guy gets away with talking like this?
We literally have a Space Force now so your comment looks pretty idiotic and uninformed, Mr. “Attorney”
@@warwellworship5171 And they own space?
Ownership is in the ‘right of refusal’. That is the guiding light of empire. Gaslighting and force make for the pressures that push off questions of propriety.
@@alg11297 Did we own America before we mustered forces to conquer it?
The most intelligent man alive.
no a simple minded fool who caters to even more simple minded fools
@@timothyneal4859 hahaha! Wow. I guess you are too stupid to know his work. What a silly little troll! Just hilariously pathetic. 😀😃🙂
Jajajajaja Jajajajaja why?
definetly one of but the depth of his knowledge comes from his longevity. He read about and saw a lot of things
Socrates, Descartes, Chomsky
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! Dream on.
Noam mentions that in '67 Israel invaded Gaza, Golan Heights and the West Bank. I was taught that Israel was unjustly invaded by multiple Arab states and successfully drove them back then gained these territories as spoils of war. 🤔
Kissinger, the demon himself revealed that to be the case as well that the is not real regime was the offender.
He warned Egypt of the attack because he did not expect the balance of power to turn this favorable to the israeli state.
True
The invaders were "unjustly invaded"? Don't tell...
He tells a good tale, with a lot of confidence, but It's a pretty biased view of history. He provides no support for his contention that the US has prevented a two-country solution. And his accusation that Israel "invaded" it's neighboring countries, while superficially true, ignores political maneuvers between Egypt and Jordan in the weeks leading up to the attack. I guess in Chomsky's world when a neighboring country, who in the past has said they will eradicate you, masses it's Army on your Southern border and enters into a military agreement with your neighbor in the West, there is no cause for alarm.
One contention - in 1973 Israel did not “go to war” they were attacked, although this doesn’t change much on the issue it jsut annoys me
If that is what you believe... What did they do when attacked? They WENT TO WAR.
@@realitywave well obviously but he just makes it sound like they went to war on their own accord
@@sibe5730 they did. And still do. Isreal is evil.
Yeah wasn't that when britain left the territory
@@jasonblack6142 That was presumably in 1948, another time that Israel "went to war" when its five neighbours attacked it.
Let's keep this factual. The Israelis of today are semitic people whose ancestors at one time were from Palestine. There have been Palestinian Jews since the Romans dissolved the former client kingdom, then province of Judea in 132 CE. They have been a minority for most if not the entirety of history since the creation of Palestine. Many notable people, largely scholars and theologians of the Jewish religion lived and worked in Palestine.
In response to the 18-19th century European conception of nationalism and the exclusion of religious Jews from the national imaginary, the Jews in Europe who accepted emancipation become increasingly secular, and adopted European identity, one outgrowth of this reform was the creation of Jewish nationalism, which following other nationalisms necessitated establishing a land base. This became Zionism.
After more than 17 centuries of diaspora, Jews began moving to Palestine, not to become closer to God, but to establish a homeland there. So long as they were few in number they were not in a position to revolt. As the situation in Europe became increasingly hostile the flight of Jews to Palestine continued. Eventually the Zionist community completely eclipsed the religious community in Palestine and some religious Jews became enchanted by the idea of bringing on the Messiah by establishing a nation state, rather than waiting for the Messiah to establish one for them.
With the support of certain protestant movements in Britain and United States, the British declared their intention to establish a Jewish homeland in the Palestinian territories they were occupying on behalf of the Palestinian people who they had "liberated" from their Turkish rulers. However rather than allowing Palestine to be partitioned against their will, the Palestinians rejected the plan. This predictably led to inter-confessional violence in the mandate.
The Zionists declared Israeli independence and the Arab League (also motivated by secular European style nationalism) invaded in support of the Palestinians. The Arab League was decisively defeated in less than a year. The Zionists established control over the entirety of the proposed Jewish territory as well as the majority of the Arab territory. They began violent ethnic cleansing and hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians were expelled from their homes. Fearing retaliation hundreds of thousands of Jews from the Arab nations fled to Israel, further exacerbating Arab and Jewish tensions. In 1956 Israel attacked Egypt. In 1967 Israel attacked Egypt and her allies. In 1973 Egypt and her allies attacked Israel.
The Arabs have abandoned direct interventions for Palestine which continues resisting with limited assistance from other countries. As a result many Palestinians have been sold a "by any means necessary" approach that is both illegal and immoral. The Tel Aviv regime continues to illegally occupy part of Syria, and most of Palestine, as well as the original disputed areas that Palestine never agreed to concede. The conflict continues because Israel ideologically will not concede territory to 1967 let alone 1947 borders and Palestine ideologically will not accept de facto Israeli annexation in exchange for limited autonomy.
Is there anyone out there remastering these talks? the audio is terrible, plus he's a mumbler
It is loud and clear on my device.
Clear enough to understand the message.
It's could not be more clear and loud!!
Stop crying
This is the same Chomsky that was praising Mr. Maduro, correct?… ;-) He forgot a small detail regarding the “two states” solution: the CONSTITUTION of the Palestinians has as main statement the obliteration of the state of Israel. Not much space there, eh?