Prof. Noam Chomsky: Illegal but Legitimate: a Dubious Doctrine for the Times
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- On 22 March 2005, the renowned author, educator and linguist Professor Noam Chomsky delivered the third and final lecture of the 2004/2005 Gifford Lecture Series, Illegal but Legitimate: a Dubious Doctrine for the Times.
The Gifford Lecturers are recognised as pre-eminent thinkers in their respective fields.
The Gifford Lectureships were established in 1888. Adam Lord Gifford (1820-1887) was a senator of the College of Justice in Scotland.
I am now 35 years old. I have spent close to half my life in service of the US military and have seen first hand, many things that stand in direct contradiction to what the public were being told and what popular opinion held to be true. I enlisted at 17, in the year 2003, answering the call to defend my homeland and it's people against the overwhelming, direct threat of Middle Eastern Terrorists. Eventually, after 28 months in Afghanistan, in some incredibly dangerous areas, I began to learn that what most people know to be true and the TRUTH were two totally seperate things. That really set me in opposition to many ideas and things that I once believed to exist and began me down a path of real learning and understanding of what my nation's leaders goals were and who and how they benefitted from them. I was still too young and lacked the wisdom to begin to full understand the scope in which certain things are propagated and controlled by our trusted leaders. I just recently have really began to go through all the things that Dr. Chomsky speaks about and have literally spent the last week or so just finding and listening to everything I can get ahold of, craving the knowledge and understanding that this man has on how things really work and who benefits from them. I wish I would have began much earlier, and maybe somehow been able to just be in the presence of such an amazing mind , if only ever for a few brief moments. Sadly, from everything I've seen and experienced, everything that this man has tried to do will die with him, no mantle will be taken up on the level which he carried it, and we are now in the true downward spiral of the US Democratic system and the noose that the elite have will only tighten from here forward. This is a quote from a movie, but it hold more true than I ever wish that it would, I'm loosely paraphrasing, but "when democracy dies, it will be met with thunderous applause". I know that to be true and it saddens me that most people don't even understand what is really going on.
Thats true and sad that soldiers usually don't find this out til too late. But I think much of your pessimism is unwarranted. How many people do you know who actually sing the praises of politicians?
People know this full well. Knowing something and doing something about power imbalance is too very different things.
FIrst of all, the US is NOT a democracy. You can track down and find that in the early eighties is when corporations pretty much directly took over, but its not like it was a democracy before that. Americans didn't VOTE to invade Vietnam or Korea.
Americans are traditionally isolationist AND communalist, rarely even caring what goes on outside their town let alone state or country. The idea that americans said "hey, lets all ship all the good jobs to overseas locations, and mess with so many countries that EVERYBODY hates us".
That didn't happen. They lied, and ignored.
Just to note, Switzerland and now Finland now have Citizens Initiatives at the federal level. The US has them in HALF the states. For all the TALK about democracy, the US has precious little.
So its NOT about 'the death of democracy', its about whether its goign to be BORN.
hey how many women and children did you kill? did you feel proud killing the 'terrorists'?
Michael Parenti is a good resource as well.
@deathhexxxgaming3431,
1. Thank you for your Service.
2. Even with all the negatives that you say you witnessed from our Government, then the Worse that armchair critics like Chomsky THINK that the US has acted all these years, then the Worse that this makes Chomsky himself look, for never seeking an actual Policy Making Position Himself, and-with his superior wisdom-Show he can do better!
Instead of spending his entire life merely criticiizing everyone else from the sidelines, while still reaping all the benefits of our society himself!
Which makes Chomsky essentially worthless!
An incredible man, at least because of multimedia his knowledge will be shared on going. No disrespect to the man as he is alive now.
Noam Chomsky, a razor sharp intellect and pulls no punches. Listening to his talks are a great joy. Thank you Mr Chomsky.
Chomsky
Noam is 92 years old in 2021. I am worried about who will pick up the mantle when this great man can no longer continue his informative effort.
I can't find a substitute
Thomas Sewell.
Measheimer was endorsed by Chomsky
@@tfalani3861 Who is he? If Chomsky endorses him... he must know what he's talking about.
John Mearsheimer
Joe rogan but he is in his infancy
if your interests lie in critical thinking ,finding truth , reality noam chomsky is a necessity, truely brilliant thinker, cleverly systematically gets to the core of any issue !!!!
That description of Chomsky is accurate right up TO the words: ' If your interests lie in '...smh
If your interests lie in critical thinking ,finding truth in reality- Noam Chomsky then is a necessity for you. A truly brilliant thinker, who cleverly in his systematic manner gets to the core of the issue he is interested in!!!!
@@maktar5135 Of any issue that is relevant....He would much rather spend his time and energy in pursuit of intellectual endeavors or goals, but his conscience drives his priorities....
Smh...
Have you ever heard anyone with better control of the language? I just love the way this man speaks.
Nothing like a dose of Chomsky to spur some thought.
Terrance McKenna. But Noam is pretty awesome too :)
so relaxed, old and delayed but clear and well worded. he is talking about terrible and massive things in a voice that is so easy to hear.
You get to be pretty good when you are a professor of linguistics 😀
He's literally the father of modern linguistics
Hitchens had a nice command, but then he was English 🤔
I guess if you write the law as you go along, then you'll always be right, even if it's really wrong.
A great teacher, intelligent analyst and a man who is attributes is anchored on truth and justice.
Professor Naom has contributed immensely to humanity throughout his career by spreading knowledge, enlightening the world on various topics ranging from history, politics, diplomacy, security and economy.
He's left an indelible prints on the sand of time.
It is interesting the wide hiatus between what we hear through politicians and corporate media and what we hear through studied research and factual information.
LOL It is even more interestimg to note the far greater, ' hiatus ', between people who actually know WTF they are talking about!
VS worthless armchair critics like Chomsky! 😂😂😂
To supplement your point I'd add that regarding the 'continuum of views' and 'consensus' you may see a discussion on, say, the Vietnam War where a right-wing intellectual favours the use of napalm and the left-winger favours conventional bombing, use of napalm is going too far - and they have heated debates about this. So this becomes the discussion. The idea that they shouldn't invade Vietnam at all never even comes up. Both intellectuals essentially agree.
Haha... so they disagreed about the “method” ? My question is what is the end result of both?
Why not use both, there all happy now.
OF COURSE the Communists should never have invaded Vietnam.
@@Clavers1369 A very insidious technique, invading their own country by being born there and holding themselves to be the equals of their French colonisers. The rockets red glare and bombs bursting in air gave proof through the night that revolutions are never successful.
thanks for uploading
If you are here, let me mention Vijay Prashad's book Washington Bullets. Vijay also cherished Edward Said and his work is amply represented here on RUclips. Washington Bullets is available as an ebook.
Why is everyone just adoring Noam and no one is talking about how they are planning to organize and challenge the State Capitalism that is ruling the world? I, for my part, go to every City Council in my little town and demand a resolution to stop military aid to apartheid state of Israel! What do you do?
Thank you🙏
I will watch this in full later
@applaya lol...indeed...but his allure is caused not only by him reading an extraordinary amount, but also being able to instantly recall basically anything from that work of literature
@compassionrepublican I find it hard to believe that you watched the video and found it boring. His voice maybe, but the content is fascinating. To discover as an American just how thoroughly our society has internalized certain assumptions: aggression is never justified (unless we do it), while other countries maintain the capacity to act in their own interests at our whim, and if we decide they can't be trusted anymore we can preemptively perform non-aggressive invasion and occupation.
I am not sure how many times I have listened to this lecture, but I gain more appreciation of the points made each time I do. Thank you, University of Edinburgh for hosting the garden Noam Chomsky, and thank you Prof. Chomsky for doing all of this. Despite receiving some financial renumeration for your work, I believe you have much more positive effect on the world economy than the magnitude of what is received on your banking end.
I am from the Caribbean,,and i am so relieved that ''THEY''have not silenced mr.Chomsky as is their normal practice against powerful opposition.
Outstanding
awesome. back!
Spectacular...
good call, i'll will do both.
Hes a great speaker
1:08:11 can we get this "at crisis with itself" exchange clipped and put on a beat?
"everyone that matters"translates to "everyone who doesn't matter much."
When he stuttered and said "coward" and was still perfectly correct.
An awakened and truly open mind inhabiting a human body is a rare thing indeed. People tend to believe only what supports that with which they've already chosen to identify. Once set, people will tend to defend their chosen identity beyond the point of absurdity. I.e., they will defend it even if it kills them. All demagogues and successful political representatives of empire know this. It's what they use to 1) gain popular approval for, and 2) find the human bodies to fuel their wars and maintain their police states. After abject physical degradation and starvation, this tendency is the primary engine of all human suffering.
Still relevant 7 years later.
Still relevant
@@casper67 still
THANK YOU MR.CHOMSKY.
The Scarecrow surely? The Cowardly Lion received a medal, I seem to recall. Appreciate the Kutztown trivia though :-)
1:50
that was weird. i wonder how much was cut at the 13minute mark?
I hold no position of value. But what I see happening before my eyes makes me sick. And to justify it in any way is incomprehensible.
@applaya great and noble gesture , but Noam has a gift , don't stop trying.
Sadly RUclips appear to have removed many of his discussions etc. Shame.
Which ones are you talking about
Most Americans don't care what chomsky says about foreign policy
Yes because they know better than to take him seriously when it comes to any field outside Linguistics!😀
Haha, "Alfred Einstein"...
That gets me every time.
I can't believe I didn't understand this comment, so had to google Alfred Einstein
I find it fascinating how a disconnection between legal policy and how a basic respect for others' basic civil, political, and human rights can be disregarded for what a populous and populists see as legitimate... I am not, of course, referring to legal processes of legitimation, but I am referring to state crimes of illegal control. In such cases of abuse of process and dominance of others, control is exercised and committed with political jargon that claims such domineering actions are altruistic, which is far from the truth. A lack of appropriate respect for others feelings and basic rights gets quashed and sometimes completely ignored by the brainwashed perspective which often posits an illegal usurpation of communication (which should be 'freedom of speech') as being right... even though it goes against others' rights. So long as a country does not recognize the difference between illegal political control and a respect for others' rights, a chasm can grow and create negative social precedent which normalizes a lack of respect for others' rights. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure all of these people in controlling positions see themselves as caring and intelligent. I just have a hard time believing these kinds of lies, even when they are incessantly put forth and completely dominate a social, political, and technological landscape to a fascinatingly dysfunctional degree.
I am truly happy and instilled with a small amount of hope as this video has not been blocked in my country... at least yet.
I heard that a cousin of mine has to take a college-level class aimed at teaching the students how to respect others' political positions. I hope that this class of his does not include the fictional stance that lying and engaging in state crimes is a good, honest, intelligent, or positive thing for society. Instead, I think one must try and differentiate between the obvious anger and stress that one has when they or someone else they care for has their rights abused and ignored by a state that fails to achieve truthful authority (ie by following the laws that have been authored- key word authored, as in authority) and a more poised, tactical, logistical defense of trying to have their basic rights respected.
It is also rather unfortunate that the uninhibited folks who often talk about civil, political, human rights abuses, and supposed righteousness are the nitwits perpetuating and participating in state crimes in the first place. Perhaps their lack of honest understanding causes them to realize that engaging in criminal dominance is the only way to achieve their position of undue control and abuse... all while disregarding legal processes of legitimation. It is solely about control and self-enhancement at the expense of others, but done so in the name of collectivism and altruism.
Huge gratitude to the prof for these insights
I'd prefer if Noam had more accurately referred to some ignominious aspects of 'england' as the root of british evils 😎
Who mentioned armaments?
7:40 11:12 18:20 20:35 29:32 33:45
5:27 the belt and road
It’s unreal how bootlickers will condemn this man, without understanding a single important word that he fires out like electrons into the most sensitive streams of global consciousness. I could not for the life of me understand what people are missing here. It’s so clear and so straight forward. I guess the haters and the doubt could only be drummed up as cognitive dissonance. Well done, Noam
LOL The only, ' bootlickers ', are those misguided fans of Chomsky who mistakenly take him seriously when it comes to any field outside Linguistics!
So we who live in the real world do not, ' condemn ', Chomsky-We just know better than to take him seriously! 😀
@@mck1972 Get real, doofus. Chomsky isnt just a linguist. He's been doing the political theory game for a long long while.
@@galek75 ,
LOLOLOLOL
OK Junior, time you get a reality check here:
In reality, Noam Chomsky has ZERO trainng, ZERO Experience, and ZERO experitse, in ANY field outside Linguistics!
Which includes never having spent a single day of his life in Law School!
So in reality, Chomsky has NO idea WTF he is talking about when it comes to what is actually, ' illegal '!
And in reality, what you call Chomsky's, ' political theory ', is in reality merely Chomsky's worthless armchair critiicisms, about fields that he has NEVER had the guts to actually work in himself-Which is everything outside Linguistics!
And, in reality, the only people who take Chomsky seriously outside Linguistics, are themselves the, ' doofuses '! 😀😀😀
10:09 to 10:46 Yea that adds up pretty well. It always ends up well for these kinds of shortcuts... and they are always good and rational.
I don't think you have framed his viewpoint properly either. Search- chomsky and anarchism. What you just described he makes a clear distinction on in several discussions. Its not that he is against state power, rather he is against forms of government that run against against the will of the people and the interests of all, domestic and abroad. I would certainly never argue that he is a statist tho
THE times, or the times?
@countertreason Hey! That's the same comment you put on that other Chomsky speech............
@dinamo4889 Im not sure to what extent the public is better educated to be honest, one does encounter a few enlightened folks here and there that lits some hope. But by contrast you are confronted daily and by overwhelming numbers of people of the opposite kind, whos knowledge is based on compelling public oppinions, or conspiracy theories as a result of automatic distrust of anything that they hear from popular media sources. Education is really diffuse and vauge amongst the broader masses.
Dynamo, I concur with your assessment. Even highly educated people are often fit for only narrowly conceived departments of life and employment. Knowledge and understanding of the wider world, it’s people and it’s events are lost on them. This is voice to text. You cannot hold Be responsible for spelling or grammar.
The description made me LoL:
"The Gifford Lectureships were established in 1888 by Adam Lord Gifford (1820-1887)"
The lectures were created by a corpse :D
The speech was a bit dry - even for Chomsky. Glad the Q&A was kept in the video.
"The Gifford Lectureships were established in 1888. Adam Lord Gifford (1820-1887) was a senator of the College of Justice in Scotland."
1.02.46
"it would be helpful by telling us who you are"
Helpful to who "man" who had trouble clapping?
I'm glad Chomsky addressed the concept of provocateurs at the very end of the speech, but he's gravely mistaken to say "I don't know if that will happen here" because clearly that happens everywhere and anywhere there's protesting. It happened here in my country in Aug. 2007 for the SPP meeting which Chomsky addressed in the speech as well. A documentary was made about it called The Nation's Deathbed.
Matthew D Croft, the use of provocateurs is common in the United States. Of that I assure you. How do I know? I was right in the middle of a campaign of provocation and at a single individual for two consecutive months. That’s how I know.
I am not aware of any intellectual that can even come close to Chomsky's
calibrer. He is irreplaceable.
thought?
So the good of the nation is in opposition?
Kevin Carson is also critical of "American Libertarianism" over tendency to praise and defend giant global corporations as if those exist independent of Leviathan war machine and Nanny State. Where Chomsky quotes US doctrine to initiate violence anywhere to defend economic interests, rejecting judgment and overwhelming opposition everywhere and in USA, Libertarians like Cato Institute usu pretend that commercial firms which benefit are "free market" if they don't get direct cash grants.
All relegions (sp?) and anything else... Proclaim! "crickets"
All things are permissible
All things are not beneficial
Peace
Ooooo Whoooo The sweet sting best given to me.
Me is you you is me me is we we is unknown
A great man
@surlagachette2 Could you restate your last sentence for me? Thanks.
I should mention that it is Europe itself, and not the EU, that I see as the chance counterweight to US foreign policy. I don't feel that any european revolution should seek to dismantle the current power structure to clear way for a new one, purely because that gives the revolutionaries in question the opportunity to build a wonky power structure themselves. The EU needs to be claimed by the public and morphed
Then how would we live, someone may ask. If we break away from existing systems how would we get food? But God feeds the birds of the air. He gives all His creation, their food in due season.
@niloclappu amen, or should I say, well said.
Notice the absence of examples in this post. Hmmmm.
Kutztown is the school the Wizard of Oz gave the cowardly lion an honorary degree from.The "honorary degree of T.hd." Doctor of Think-ology.
I know where Kutztown is. I lived there a while.
that about sums up the history of civilization.
"Western Civilization" not ancient ones, the ones that you have no idea of.
44:10
The 40 trillion dollars you have mentioned is the global market capitalization for all stock markets in september 2008.
Which was 62% of global GDP. Today its nearly 100 trillion or around 100% of global GDP.
Insanity
Diplomacy is is far preferred to war.
@applaya it's not reading that much... but also thinking... reading that much without time to assimilate and integrate the knowledge is not very useful...
that's exactly what i thank. (thunk?)
" Thought " actually, but just ignore me ... I'm Canadian, and I speak English or French, depending on my mood.
muy bueno.
Howdy Duedy? Howdy Duedy 2 howdy duedy?
@firefox8192
You've answered, dear. It's because it's "mainstream".
The thing is so obvious that it's hard to believe.
@bullbunnies His words not mine... watch?v=YIpJQEcXP7A
12:00
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I know some bankers just do commercial banking, analysis of credit-worth and allocation of credit. Some investment bankers and commercial bankers denounce what major global financial firms do in the guise of commercial and investment banking. Actually, some finance industry types are the best source of critical information.
@dinamo4889 Everything one reads or hears needs to be cross referenced and verified. The real problem i think is that all too many people take reports, information even rumors really literally without critical thinking. The general masses really needs to question and rannsack themselves about their assumptions and beliefs about the nature of politics and government, the origin of their knowledge and the process of how they are coming to accept what they believe. Amazing what people do believe.
They clap
But they
Still
Continue
The hypocrisy
What you bring up is the narrow range of thought, at least amongst the majority of public intellectuals. Most ordinary folks are more or less just repeating the propaganda they have soaked up, as broadcast by the 'intellectuals' because it suits the profiteering of the ruling class.
Chomsky is not rerflexibly against stattes. He feels all organizations, including states must continually justify their existence. If an organization, including a governmental organization or agency, proves its worth, then it is of service to the people and should continue to function. A libertarian might even like this attitude, although Chomsky is by no means a libertarian. Chomsky is devoted to democracy and government's purpose is to serve the people.
technically paying tax is illegal under US and UK law since it is 'providing material support for terrorism', words used in both US and UK legislation. The UK terrorism act specifically makes it an offense to engage in financial transactions that you believe could be with a terrorist organization. Not sure about the US but I suspect its the same. So it doesnt matter if they dont regard themselves as terrorists, if you believe they are you have a legal stance. Good luck.
I am there,
and not working at all. Crush my dreams, and psychical work gnome, you'll get the real browsers.
I'd say there is more to be done than that. People have to realise that they are part of and benefit from a system and thus they have some responisibility for it. So paying taxes and thus funding the war criminals and terrorists that make the laws is something that we are responsible for. We make it possible for them to do what they do. We should either have the courage to refuse to pay taxes or at least get out on the streets in protest.
Both would be best..
Applause... chirping
Our leaders should ALL fast (starve) and listen to their friends who offer condolences while waiting for their vision of an agreed upon peace. Real peace. What is that? Never you mind you will know it when you see it.
I have faith they will receive a vision or their 2nd shall take over.
Do you agree !?*&^%$#@ Which leader(s) will volunteer (truly heroic open 2 all) and be the communicators
I wonder... and wonder so may as well wander aimlessly as some lead'ers (do nothings)
P.S. I also suggest prayer - surprise!
What are you on about? If he's made a mistake in any of his commentary then please feel free to correct him, putting the caps lock on does not a good argument make.
it is a shame tlhat the mainstream media do not broadcast this. but i know why
@olddouchebag This isn't boring for the intelligent.
perfect for insomniacs
Well crap I was gonna try to sleep again but between the Man: Noam & this comment and I'm standing pat on the BoobRUclips!
But for the unintelligent it's painful.
@surlagachette2 I don't think the current EU is up to the job, but as I said, if they can settle into a cohesive unit for peace, America could have some serious considerations. Does this imagined future need some sprinklings of revolution? You bet it does, but it can happen all the same.
Importantly, the UK alone, while an important ally of the US, doesn't scare monger it's public through news feeds to quite the same extent as American newstations. The people wouldn't let it slide.
The talk and the dream of world peace have been Extant For 1000 years. There is no peace. They are already preparing for the next great Kataklysm and slaughter. There is no end to it in Sight.
Never seen Chomsky in a suit before!
9:23 to 9:38 Wut?
9:37 18:47
@TheGodlessGuitarist Actually he does claim to be a libertarian by traditional standards but claims that the US's view of libertarianism is perverted by Ayn Rand radicals. Instead he views traditional libertarianism as "libertarian socialism".
Noam Kicks aZZ.
@m0kkaleiavbrukernavn I must tell, 'It is a capital mistake to theorise before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories instead of theories to suit facts.' -Sherlock Holmes (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)
Even Chomsky is not exempt to this scientific maxim. Anyone can have facts suit all their theories but it takes real talent to have one or more non-contradictory theories to suit ALL the facts.
true. and I believe the forces that wish to maintain power will intentionally utilise cherrypicked pacts to suit their non-populist agenda.
Approximately the deficit that the U.S owes to China amounts to 800billion dollars.
The government: We has your base!
Noam: All over the place, from the popular culture to the propaganda system, there is constant pressure to make people feel that they are helpless, that the only role they can have is to ratify decisions and to consume.
The government: Aight den!
There are only two keys to power, control of media and money. The former cements the latter's continuation and growth. Media should be every revolutions focus.
Well it seems that Chomsky's paranoid conspiracy theories are rubbing off on others...SMH
@@mck1972 Your right.... the RICH have no more influence over politics or society then a homeless person. The RICH don't own 99% of media... poor people do. The RICH don't influence international policy at all.... the middle class does. It's sad that despite the VAST wealth of the RICH that the poors refuse to allow them a say in society.....
Pointing out that the RICH run everything is only a conspiracy theory to worshipers of the RICH.
The reality is that when anyone's "team" is exposed for the evil it does/is the immediate response is counter attack. Isreal using anti-Semitism as an attack on people who point out any one of the million crimes it commits is a good example of the guilty counter attacking. Do I think they'll just sit back and take it? No. But I also won't suffer their bullshit either.....
Your opinion is bullshit.
@@matthewo2261 ,
So let's say for the moment that everything you just stated is entirely accurate..
Then the Worse that Chomsky THINKS that the, ' Riich ', have controlled Policy Making all these years, then the Worse that this makes Chomsky himarlf look, for never seeking a Policy Making Position Himself, and-with his superior wisdom-Show he can do better!
Instead of spending his life merely complaining from the sidelines!
And btw, you do know that Chomsky, with a net worth of several million, is actually one of those, ' Rich ', hinself-Right????
@@mck1972 Can I assume that you no longer claim that Chomsky's point is a conspiracy? If so, how is his time spent trying to inform people of this WASTED?
If this is the truth and the RICH have been destroying peoples lives for personal gain and using the media to divert attention away from this, is it not an admirable thing for someone to try to inform people?
The RICH are in control and untill people acknowledge this any efforts for change can be co-opted by the very people causing the problem. Also, if the problem isn't known how can it be fixed?
Chomsky is no advocate of "American Libertarianism"; in fact he specifically refers to that as "extreme advocacy for absolute unaccountable private tyrannies".
He self identifies as a "libertarian socialist" otherwise known as an "anarcho-syndicalist "
to hear him say it enter "Noam Chomsky on Libertarian Socialism" in the youtube search box
And, for the record, as an anarcho-syndicallist, Chomsky specifically opposes the existence of states.
Wish he'd pipe up more about the 'State' of Israel then.
@@robertrichard6107 Noam has *brutally* criticized Israel for decades
@@snowwhite2590 I've noted he has. We're sent to Lebanon in '82-'83 to stop their Viet Nam on the USS Eisenhower.
tak že všetci pred 1800 klamali o demokracie zvyšok tomu rozumie
Living up to your name eh