A trick I do with the V60 when I want to obey the 180 degree shutter rule is to switch to the ultra wide sensor which has a smaller aperture, then crop in post. Wish that electric glass Oneplus debuted on their concept phone will reappear
This is basically what Huawei forced you to do on the Mate 40 Pro, the smaller 1/1.5" (ironic that this is "smaller") ultrawide was the default video camera, and the 1/1.28" main was optimized for photos. To the point where it was kind of rubbish for video.
That is why variable aperture needs to be mainstream on flagship-grade phones. Sony Xperia Pro-I may not use the whole 1" sensor canvas, but having two different aperture truly helps a lot to reduce bokeh and exposure. I don't mind having a thick phone if we can get rid of the camera bump and get a bigger battery. I still love the LG V50 and Nokia 9 PureView's flushed rear camera design. It look so beautifully elegant. P.S. I so miss that Samsung Galaxy S4/K zoom. I would be so happy if we can get a 1" sensor with variable aperture and a proper optical zoom mechanism. Even a maximum 5x optical zoom is still fine by me.
Yeah I think the fact that sony included variable aperture shows they also makes cameras and understand it better, it's just such a shame they didn't untilize the whole sensor, 20mp for me is the perfect size for a phone camera. Also it's bloody expensive, which I might get seeing as it is top of the line but a couple hundred bucks wouldn't have hurt
@@championxxlNL Totally doubt Sony can sell the Xperia Pro-I for less than $1,000. However, it'd be great if Sony sell the next gen Xperia Pro-I for $1,499.
@@FAT8893 yeah I wouldn't expect them to but yeah less than 1500 should definitely happen. I would also consider buying it at that price if they also utilize the full sensor. 1800 is just to much, for any phone even the foldables imo
I used to own the K Zoom! Miss that phone so much... It really feels like you're holding an actual digital camera. Plus the zoom was just awesome!! Just not a fan that dusts easily get in the lens... 😅😅
I'm hoping/expecting the new Sony pro ii (or whatever they call it) to implement a full 1" type sensor plus the variable aperture that they had on the first iteration, though a fully variable rather than 2 fixed apertures would be great. Add a 2nd 1inch type sensor with a longer focal length 70-80mm equivalent for portraits etc and I'd be totally in...I don't think longer or variable zoom is really necessary especially with the bigger sensor and possibly a few more mega-pickles to play with (i e. 48 allowing the middle 12 for a centre crop 'zoom' in good light for a bit more reach. On the downside I'd probably need to remortgage the house to get it!
i like the idea of thicker phone. bigger sensor can be put in, larger battery also can be put in. and those camera hump can be removed completely, so no issue to put it on a phone holder. surely it not for the mainstream market, but for the targeted customer that will probably buy the phone to be their 1st camera setup for doing vlogging or maybe 1st job for their wedding videographer job, that would be excellent. shooting videos without having concerns on battery drain and also can do post-production job all in 1 device. ohh man, that would be my dream phone. and also have support for desktop mode, because differences for editing video between using just finger and using mouse and keyboard is huuuuggeee differences.
I think the next big step for smartphones with very large sensors is to use variable aperture. If Xiaomi 13 Ultra (or any upcoming 1") does this, I believe many people will probably want that phone (myself included).
I'm hoping/expecting the new Sony pro ii (or whatever they call it) to implement a full 1" type sensor plus the variable aperture that they had on the first iteration, though a fully variable rather than 2 fixed apertures would be great. Add a 2nd 1inch type sensor with a longer focal length 70-80mm equivalent for portraits etc and I'd be totally in...I don't think longer or variable zoom is really necessary especially with the bigger sensor and possibly a few more mega-pickles to play with (i e. 48 allowing the middle 12 for a centre crop 'zoom' in good light for a bit more reach. On the downside I'd probably need to remortgage the house to get it!
@@qwild I was quite happy with the Xiaomi 13 Pro, but I just felt it could be a bit better in all aspects. A slightly better Ultrawide, especially indoors and in low light, slightly better color consistency between the telephoto and the main, a slightly better lens on the main sensor, and also more accurate white balance in some situations, across all lenses. If the 13 Ultra delivers, I will pay up the probably 1500 euro that they will charge for it.
@@Saethyan yeah JN1 sensors suck on 13 pro but they do give natural color compared to main on authentic mode, 13 ultra fixes the inconsistent between different sensors because they same sensor for camera and the sensor supports MCSS (multi-camera synchronization system)
I agree theres a lot of excellent cameras on midrangers. I think a lot of your viewers probably fancy themselves as very tech savvy and will convince themselves that they'll get good use out of a $1k machine (myself included lol)
I am using an aps-c camera and actually was considering getting a 1" camera because of the considerable size difference. I don't need aps-c sensor always and smartphone cameras are not that good. Having an option for a 1" camera on a phone is great. I might consider getting a phone for this purpose
I was in exactly the same situation as you, until recently that I discovered something. I tried to shoot RAW with some good smartphones like Galaxy S23 Ultra and the quality you can get is great. It sometimes can match my APS-C during daylight. Have that in mind.
I completely hear the advice that more expensive doesn't mean it'll best suit your personal needs. That being said, I have a young toddler that's moving faster by the day, I feel that a larger (or largest) sensor is the only solution to capture a non blurry photo of my kid, especially in lower indoor lighting. Am I wrong? Would love advice from anyone. My S10+ has been struggling to keep up.
You'll have to check shutter speed, too. I have and have had a couple of big sensor phones, and shutter response has been relatively slow. One thing the iPhone 13 impressed me with is how fast the shutter response is, and how quickly you can fire off a manual burst (automatic bursts require you to wait a half second and save at a much lower quality). Pixels are also supposed to have some pretty quick responses. Only thing I've had that's faster is my old P20 Pro, which could do seven frames per second manually with its ultra-fast mono camera. I use it for sports, as it's much better for action shots than my current big sensor phone.
The variable aperture on the Mate 50 Pro does help, and it actually gives enough light gathering capacity at F1.4 on the 1/1.5" sensor that you don't really miss having a 1" sensor with an F1.9 aperture... well, at least in terms of light gathering. In terms of raw optical resolution, there's still no replacement for displacement (To borrow an automotive term) and the bigger sensors are still superior when it comes to pixel peeping detail. Which matters for those of us who do need pixel peeping detail, (like when cropping in 1.5 to 2x from a shot from the main camera) but for 99.9% of consumers, it's not that big a deal. And with many opting for shorter telephotos with bigger sensors, it is becoming even less of an issue going forward. Eventually, the magic formula might be three 1/1.5" sensors in three different focal lengths. Who knows? But either way, it's nice that after a step backwards during the pandemic, cameras are getting bigger and better again.
Ok said it in the previous video ... But again this is why you're the best. Not many take the time to explain ... Nailed it ... Especially with the shallow range of focus... Really struggling with the Pixel 7 in this category. Have to line up the shot a certain way to get everything in focus. As always great vid
Yeah. I really don't think people get how different cameras can be, and unfortunately WAY too many tech outlets treat "camera" like one static scoring bullet point.
Unfortunately, phone manufacturers, and users, don't seem to realise that the most important part of the camera is the LENS, not the size of the sensor or the number of megapixels. And you can't have a good quality lens, with variable aperture, or built in ND filter, without adding a lot more depth to the phone body. You can buy a cheap mirrorless camera for a fraction the price of a flagship phone and get a much better photographic tool.
Thanks. Good points. Haven't seen anyone else talking about disadvantages of the 1 inch type sensors. For just recording family life there is really not that much need for the very large sensors and the depth of field can be problematic. Many consumers would be better served with a cheaper phone. For people that are interested in photography and pixel peep on photos maybe they are still the way to go though
I'd rather use a mirrorless camera for the ergonomics instead of a smartphone. Handling a phone just feels so clumsy sometimes and the larger it is, the worse. At least the Sony Xperia 5 and 1 series phones have a dedicated camera shutter button that makes snapping a picture easier than having to reach for the digital shutter button.
Imo we users only use main camera for most of the time so brands should pay more attention to it rather than throwing 3-4 cameras making phone unnecessarily bulky. 1" sensor require high quality Lenses along with variable aperture also good to have mechanical shutter and ND filter/ polarizing. I checked camera samples of Xiaomi 13pro and vivo x90 pro but sadly images still looks overprocessed and none of them have colour accuracy and 3D pop of nokia 808.
About budget - midrange phones, not a lot of them get enough security updates, especially when compared to the flagships. The exception is Samsung though. But this depends on whether people keep their phone for that long.
Apple will be using a (nearly) 1 inch version of the new Sony sensor in the iPhone 15 -- I'm curious to see how their software will handle this. If they want to keep things easy for people they'd almost have to include a built in ND filter but I haven't heard any rumors of that so far. But that's obviously going to become a necessary standard feature in the future.
It's really frustrating to see that apple's auto hdr processing has gotten worse with larger sensors. The system they use of aggressive noise reduction, then over sharpening, is really gross and splotchy. It looks like what was necessary for phones like the iPhone 12 Pro's little main sensor, but it hasn't evolved well with better hardware. It destroys fine detail in mixed light and dimmer conditions. It's really a shame.
I'm always that person that's trying to talk my family and friends out of upgrading phones unnecessarily as everyone else tells then their phone (that still does everything they need it to at a reasonable speed for them) is outdated and needs to be changed. Unfortunately most don't listen to me and end up breaking the new device much faster than the old or they even continue to use the old one after getting the new. Upgrade when you have a specific needs not when something new comes out.
1"-type sensor is enough, so a bigger sensor is not required. Now they need to work on other areas like clearer lenses for a more pleasant blur that does not have ghosting. Video needs to be improved. There is a need for variable apertures (Huawei is already attempting this), built in ND filters to achieve the 180 degree shutter rule. The video quality itself needs to be made a little bit softer, it's too sharp and harsh now. I would really like an oversampled 1080p from 4K option. I often do this where I film and edit in 4K but export at 1080p. It looks better than native 1080p and the size is smaller than what 4K would have been. HDR needs to be toned down. Let highlights clip but have the main subject be better, more naturally exposed. Pixels, for example, have really bad, ashy, grainy and odd looking HDR video. For low light digital stabilization should be disabled as it looks bad, I would take either optical or no stabilization at all. HDR makes artificial lights look odd because of image stacking, so for low light photos, I would like an option to disable HDR and just increase the shutter speed instead and take one photo for softly and evenly diffused light
Questions would a midrange phone with highend camera software be the best for most people for everyday photography needs? Also what price ranges are considered midrange now? Sorry for all the questions love the channel (rip quad dac)
The Google Pixel 6a is a perfect example. It's a relatively midrange phone with the same photography prowess as its more expensive and more premium siblings. Even for someone like me who always prefer to shoot photos or videos in Manual mode, I'd easily recommend Pixel for anyone who want a simple point-and-shoot camera experience with a great software processing algorithm. For me, the price don't really determine whether it's a midrange phone or not. With the exception of Apple and Google, the SoC determines the phone tier.
I think we're due a wave of "wacky camera/[phone] experiments" Once folding tech is a little more normalised; I suspect the Consolidation Phase we're currently in, will move on
You are spot on Juan. I used to work at Best Buy and some of my coworkers would try and sell customers what they liked and couldn't afford instead of selling the customers what they wanted and what met their needs. As a result, many customers left spending way more than they needed to and that just isn't cool. It's a business but to me that's bad business and many customers would return these items. As for the new tech, I love it and can't wait to see what the future holds. I'm with you also in the bigger battery and slightly thicker phone to balance out the 1 inch sensor. All in on that.
Yeah, no. I already miss variable aperture settings on my $500 mid-ranger; I'd miss 'em even more on a 1" sensor. Hell, my 1" sensor drone camera has a variable aperture, and I still use a set of NDs with it, because diffusion bites early. A use-case approach is a great suggestion! My phone doesn't do what my drone camera does, and my DSLR doesn't do that a mirrorless body does... Don't even get me started about 645 and 4x5 film. Suffice it so say there's different look to every jump in format. It has much to do with the lens focal length getting longer with each format jump. No such thing as "equivalent focal length" just Angle Of View
i need clarification on something the v60 has a resolution of fhd+ but it's able to play games at ultra hd or the highest graphics...how do games define high graphics ? or its rather dependent on the GPU of the phone and not it's resolution?
Thank you for this content, I just don't get why 1 inch camera 8-9 year old like my canon g7x ii cannot be mixed up with 1 inch sensor phone and maybe leave a 1 camera zoom f 1.9 24-100mm or 24-200mm sony rx100vii with nd filter instead of building 3 4 5 or maaaaaybeeee :))))) more low res glasses. But maybe it's just my logic and practical solving against the market. Thank you for the content.
I wish we could go single sensor too, but the big problem is what to do with the lens. My Lumix 12-35 f/2.8 is a chunky piece of glass for m43, and there's NO way I'd want that on the back of a phone. The f/1.9 on the back of my Xiaomi is actually a faster lens than my Lumix wide open. It just cant zoom.
What i like to see at the new sony phones is more megapixel cause i want to be able to print my nature photos out. No idea how it is with megapixels though? Why is 12 megapixel the standard in mobile photography lately?
A compromise between saved detail and file size. I much prefer 16-20mp myself, but I'm an outlier. For many casuals, hell, 12mp is more than they need. 8-10mp is enough for social media posts or web pictures that will never be viewed at more than 4k on a phone or laptop.
@@namelesssnitchy current trend is to offer 100-12, 50-12 or 200-50-12 combos. I've found 50 useful for cropping, but yes, a 20-25 option would be great. I think the Aquos R6 had that. Bit easier to find is the Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro and the 10T Pro, whose 108s binned down 4-1 to 27mp (had the 10T Pro). My Mate 40 Pro has an unusually large 1/1.5" ultrawide that outputs native unbinned 20mp that's pretty nice, as well.
I have to agree with you about the "too much blur" part!! This is why I don't favor an overly-large sensor... I want the whole subject to be in focus but with large sensors, usually only certain parts of the subject is in focus.. And not sure if this is to do with a large sensor or huge megapixels, but don't large sensors have trouble with focusing sometimes or slow? 😅 I think 1/1.5" is a pretty good size for mobile sensors plus pixel-binning maximum at 50mp. I don't see the point of having larger megapixels than that 🤷 lol
@@Artemis-v8i It does. Pixel binning does have its advantages... Like you get a more detailed photo when you binned down from 50/48mp to 12/12.5mp compared to regular 12 megapixels photos. Also, less noise and this is proven for sensors with pixel binning.
The blur issue is the one I already suffer from on my 1/1.33 sensor (Mi Note 10 Pro). Edges are mostly out of focus (If I take a picture of a paper & want it to be readable, I have to zoom out then crop).
I don't understand what large sensor has to do with shutter speed in video? A small sensor and a large sensor with the same exposure settings will look equally bright. Yes, the larger sensor gathers more light in total, but per area it's the same. The advantage is that you can use higher ISOs wigh less noise. But it's not like large sensors somehow magically make the image brighter. The same shutter speed limitations apply to small and large sensors. Or are you just talking about how no phone manufacturer so far made a variable aperture lens for a large sensor?
@@SomeGadgetGuy yes 5x periscope 10x hybrid zoom, a day of battery life, fast charging an acceptable video camera and CPU performance for day to day use..
I'm using an unexpensive Redmi phone and let's me tell you, the cameras suck, both rear and front, no matter how much light you have, I just can't bear it. I'm looking for a flagship to go back to but so flagships these days are not that exciting to spend the money on, considering you can spend 1000e on a superb lens for your camera instead. Now I'm just laying low and wait for all this 1" sensor tech to mature on phones.
The main wide sensor is pretty well mature. 1" Types are REALLY good, especially when you can pair them with a variable aperture, and ND filters. What's exciting now are the newer telephoto sensors on Xiaomi and Vivo. They dont "zoom" quite as far optically, but the sensor surface area on the Vivo X100 Ultra tele sensor is roughly the same as the main camera on the OnePlus 12. It's a shame that Apple/Google/Samsung seem to be lagging in camera hardware...
@@SomeGadgetGuy I was super interested in Xiaomi 14 Ultra and its photography kits, but it wasn't available in Finland before. Now it's available but my friend in Vietnam has used it for awhile and he complains about its battery life all the time, so we're waiting if the 15 Ultra will fix this issue. At the moment, I'm also interested in the Oppo Find X7 Ultra but it's not available worldwide and the X8 Ultra might have a global version so I'm waiting for that as well 😅
A trick I do with the V60 when I want to obey the 180 degree shutter rule is to switch to the ultra wide sensor which has a smaller aperture, then crop in post. Wish that electric glass Oneplus debuted on their concept phone will reappear
This is basically what Huawei forced you to do on the Mate 40 Pro, the smaller 1/1.5" (ironic that this is "smaller") ultrawide was the default video camera, and the 1/1.28" main was optimized for photos. To the point where it was kind of rubbish for video.
The glass used to make private jet Windows.. that'll be expensive as hell
That is why variable aperture needs to be mainstream on flagship-grade phones. Sony Xperia Pro-I may not use the whole 1" sensor canvas, but having two different aperture truly helps a lot to reduce bokeh and exposure.
I don't mind having a thick phone if we can get rid of the camera bump and get a bigger battery. I still love the LG V50 and Nokia 9 PureView's flushed rear camera design. It look so beautifully elegant.
P.S. I so miss that Samsung Galaxy S4/K zoom. I would be so happy if we can get a 1" sensor with variable aperture and a proper optical zoom mechanism. Even a maximum 5x optical zoom is still fine by me.
Yeah I think the fact that sony included variable aperture shows they also makes cameras and understand it better, it's just such a shame they didn't untilize the whole sensor, 20mp for me is the perfect size for a phone camera. Also it's bloody expensive, which I might get seeing as it is top of the line but a couple hundred bucks wouldn't have hurt
@@championxxlNL Totally doubt Sony can sell the Xperia Pro-I for less than $1,000. However, it'd be great if Sony sell the next gen Xperia Pro-I for $1,499.
@@FAT8893 yeah I wouldn't expect them to but yeah less than 1500 should definitely happen. I would also consider buying it at that price if they also utilize the full sensor. 1800 is just to much, for any phone even the foldables imo
I used to own the K Zoom! Miss that phone so much... It really feels like you're holding an actual digital camera. Plus the zoom was just awesome!! Just not a fan that dusts easily get in the lens... 😅😅
I'm hoping/expecting the new Sony pro ii (or whatever they call it) to implement a full 1" type sensor plus the variable aperture that they had on the first iteration, though a fully variable rather than 2 fixed apertures would be great. Add a 2nd 1inch type sensor with a longer focal length 70-80mm equivalent for portraits etc and I'd be totally in...I don't think longer or variable zoom is really necessary especially with the bigger sensor and possibly a few more mega-pickles to play with (i e. 48 allowing the middle 12 for a centre crop 'zoom' in good light for a bit more reach. On the downside I'd probably need to remortgage the house to get it!
Exactly. I really hope it comes out; would probably be an unquestionable king.
then it would be really thicc
i like the idea of thicker phone. bigger sensor can be put in, larger battery also can be put in. and those camera hump can be removed completely, so no issue to put it on a phone holder. surely it not for the mainstream market, but for the targeted customer that will probably buy the phone to be their 1st camera setup for doing vlogging or maybe 1st job for their wedding videographer job, that would be excellent. shooting videos without having concerns on battery drain and also can do post-production job all in 1 device. ohh man, that would be my dream phone. and also have support for desktop mode, because differences for editing video between using just finger and using mouse and keyboard is huuuuggeee differences.
Me too, I no longer carry my phone in my pocket (for health reasons). Thicker phone would be fine.
The sometimes blurry images out of 1 inch sensor are really poor, makes me want to wait for future technologies. Great video!
Honestly I don't mind those compromises at all 👀. I would love a bigger body with a bigger battery.
I think the next big step for smartphones with very large sensors is to use variable aperture. If Xiaomi 13 Ultra (or any upcoming 1") does this, I believe many people will probably want that phone (myself included).
Then next big thing after that is optical zoom
It can do f1.9 to f4
I'm hoping/expecting the new Sony pro ii (or whatever they call it) to implement a full 1" type sensor plus the variable aperture that they had on the first iteration, though a fully variable rather than 2 fixed apertures would be great. Add a 2nd 1inch type sensor with a longer focal length 70-80mm equivalent for portraits etc and I'd be totally in...I don't think longer or variable zoom is really necessary especially with the bigger sensor and possibly a few more mega-pickles to play with (i e. 48 allowing the middle 12 for a centre crop 'zoom' in good light for a bit more reach. On the downside I'd probably need to remortgage the house to get it!
@@qwild I was quite happy with the Xiaomi 13 Pro, but I just felt it could be a bit better in all aspects. A slightly better Ultrawide, especially indoors and in low light, slightly better color consistency between the telephoto and the main, a slightly better lens on the main sensor, and also more accurate white balance in some situations, across all lenses. If the 13 Ultra delivers, I will pay up the probably 1500 euro that they will charge for it.
@@Saethyan yeah JN1 sensors suck on 13 pro but they do give natural color compared to main on authentic mode, 13 ultra fixes the inconsistent between different sensors because they same sensor for camera and the sensor supports MCSS (multi-camera synchronization system)
I agree theres a lot of excellent cameras on midrangers. I think a lot of your viewers probably fancy themselves as very tech savvy and will convince themselves that they'll get good use out of a $1k machine (myself included lol)
I am using an aps-c camera and actually was considering getting a 1" camera because of the considerable size difference. I don't need aps-c sensor always and smartphone cameras are not that good. Having an option for a 1" camera on a phone is great. I might consider getting a phone for this purpose
I was in exactly the same situation as you, until recently that I discovered something. I tried to shoot RAW with some good smartphones like Galaxy S23 Ultra and the quality you can get is great. It sometimes can match my APS-C during daylight. Have that in mind.
i have a vivo x80 pro, and when i post on social media like facebook, my friends always asks me what camera im using coz its looks awesome
the same but I have Huawei mate 10 pro from 2017. Still perfectly working on original battery.
I completely hear the advice that more expensive doesn't mean it'll best suit your personal needs. That being said, I have a young toddler that's moving faster by the day, I feel that a larger (or largest) sensor is the only solution to capture a non blurry photo of my kid, especially in lower indoor lighting. Am I wrong? Would love advice from anyone. My S10+ has been struggling to keep up.
You'll have to check shutter speed, too. I have and have had a couple of big sensor phones, and shutter response has been relatively slow.
One thing the iPhone 13 impressed me with is how fast the shutter response is, and how quickly you can fire off a manual burst (automatic bursts require you to wait a half second and save at a much lower quality). Pixels are also supposed to have some pretty quick responses.
Only thing I've had that's faster is my old P20 Pro, which could do seven frames per second manually with its ultra-fast mono camera. I use it for sports, as it's much better for action shots than my current big sensor phone.
Was nice seeing the Galaxy S4 zoom in 2023
Great video as always.
The variable aperture on the Mate 50 Pro does help, and it actually gives enough light gathering capacity at F1.4 on the 1/1.5" sensor that you don't really miss having a 1" sensor with an F1.9 aperture... well, at least in terms of light gathering.
In terms of raw optical resolution, there's still no replacement for displacement (To borrow an automotive term) and the bigger sensors are still superior when it comes to pixel peeping detail. Which matters for those of us who do need pixel peeping detail, (like when cropping in 1.5 to 2x from a shot from the main camera) but for 99.9% of consumers, it's not that big a deal. And with many opting for shorter telephotos with bigger sensors, it is becoming even less of an issue going forward. Eventually, the magic formula might be three 1/1.5" sensors in three different focal lengths. Who knows? But either way, it's nice that after a step backwards during the pandemic, cameras are getting bigger and better again.
Ok said it in the previous video ... But again this is why you're the best. Not many take the time to explain ... Nailed it ... Especially with the shallow range of focus... Really struggling with the Pixel 7 in this category. Have to line up the shot a certain way to get everything in focus. As always great vid
Yeah. I really don't think people get how different cameras can be, and unfortunately WAY too many tech outlets treat "camera" like one static scoring bullet point.
Unfortunately, phone manufacturers, and users, don't seem to realise that the most important part of the camera is the LENS, not the size of the sensor or the number of megapixels. And you can't have a good quality lens, with variable aperture, or built in ND filter, without adding a lot more depth to the phone body. You can buy a cheap mirrorless camera for a fraction the price of a flagship phone and get a much better photographic tool.
You can use zeiss EDoF or zeiss APC in the landscape option of the camera menu if vivo x90 pro plus
Thanks. Good points. Haven't seen anyone else talking about disadvantages of the 1 inch type sensors. For just recording family life there is really not that much need for the very large sensors and the depth of field can be problematic. Many consumers would be better served with a cheaper phone. For people that are interested in photography and pixel peep on photos maybe they are still the way to go though
I thought about that too its like your always your taking portrait shots, it'll be hard to shoot the person with a nice background😅
I think recording family life, especially kids would benefit from a larger sensor, more light means a lesser shutter speed and lower iso needed
Very well explained. I will take the large sensors though, but with variable aperture. All hail the Xiaomi 13 Ultra.
I'm looking at mine RIGHT now... 😍
I'd rather use a mirrorless camera for the ergonomics instead of a smartphone. Handling a phone just feels so clumsy sometimes and the larger it is, the worse.
At least the Sony Xperia 5 and 1 series phones have a dedicated camera shutter button that makes snapping a picture easier than having to reach for the digital shutter button.
Imo we users only use main camera for most of the time so brands should pay more attention to it rather than throwing 3-4 cameras making phone unnecessarily bulky. 1" sensor require high quality Lenses along with variable aperture also good to have mechanical shutter and ND filter/ polarizing. I checked camera samples of Xiaomi 13pro and vivo x90 pro but sadly images still looks overprocessed and none of them have colour accuracy and 3D pop of nokia 808.
Yup
About budget - midrange phones, not a lot of them get enough security updates, especially when compared to the flagships. The exception is Samsung though. But this depends on whether people keep their phone for that long.
I see that you really know your stuff, that's why I have subscribed immediately. Please keep it like this.
1:14 this video feels aged well. After Xioami 13 ultra laucher
1:48 Xioami can use 67 mm nd filter
variable one inch coming possibly with Xiaomi 13 ultra 😮
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Apple will be using a (nearly) 1 inch version of the new Sony sensor in the iPhone 15 -- I'm curious to see how their software will handle this. If they want to keep things easy for people they'd almost have to include a built in ND filter but I haven't heard any rumors of that so far. But that's obviously going to become a necessary standard feature in the future.
It's really frustrating to see that apple's auto hdr processing has gotten worse with larger sensors. The system they use of aggressive noise reduction, then over sharpening, is really gross and splotchy. It looks like what was necessary for phones like the iPhone 12 Pro's little main sensor, but it hasn't evolved well with better hardware. It destroys fine detail in mixed light and dimmer conditions. It's really a shame.
Omg that white Moto Nexus 6 , soooo sexy. I wish mine was still in working order 😢 I used it all the way till end of 2021
I'm always that person that's trying to talk my family and friends out of upgrading phones unnecessarily as everyone else tells then their phone (that still does everything they need it to at a reasonable speed for them) is outdated and needs to be changed. Unfortunately most don't listen to me and end up breaking the new device much faster than the old or they even continue to use the old one after getting the new. Upgrade when you have a specific needs not when something new comes out.
1"-type sensor is enough, so a bigger sensor is not required. Now they need to work on other areas like clearer lenses for a more pleasant blur that does not have ghosting. Video needs to be improved. There is a need for variable apertures (Huawei is already attempting this), built in ND filters to achieve the 180 degree shutter rule. The video quality itself needs to be made a little bit softer, it's too sharp and harsh now. I would really like an oversampled 1080p from 4K option. I often do this where I film and edit in 4K but export at 1080p. It looks better than native 1080p and the size is smaller than what 4K would have been. HDR needs to be toned down. Let highlights clip but have the main subject be better, more naturally exposed. Pixels, for example, have really bad, ashy, grainy and odd looking HDR video. For low light digital stabilization should be disabled as it looks bad, I would take either optical or no stabilization at all. HDR makes artificial lights look odd because of image stacking, so for low light photos, I would like an option to disable HDR and just increase the shutter speed instead and take one photo for softly and evenly diffused light
Great points Juan. I am cool with the added size.
I knew you would be 😁
@@SomeGadgetGuy 🤣🤣
Wait... None of those phones have a variable aperture? I thought the Vivo one has it
Honestly, i don't mind if my phone become so thic, all i care is photo and video quality, especially in a low light scene
Great video bro
Always making great videos!!!!
Let's pray they will listen!
I remember oneplus had a prototype where it can change the transparency of the back glass
This could be the solution of too much light
so we hope for the sony xperia 1 V to haven an 1" sensor with diffrent apetures
Questions would a midrange phone with highend camera software be the best for most people for everyday photography needs? Also what price ranges are considered midrange now? Sorry for all the questions love the channel (rip quad dac)
The Google Pixel 6a is a perfect example. It's a relatively midrange phone with the same photography prowess as its more expensive and more premium siblings. Even for someone like me who always prefer to shoot photos or videos in Manual mode, I'd easily recommend Pixel for anyone who want a simple point-and-shoot camera experience with a great software processing algorithm.
For me, the price don't really determine whether it's a midrange phone or not. With the exception of Apple and Google, the SoC determines the phone tier.
@@FAT8893 thanks
Lol Juan like the part where tk was rocking the nexus 6😁😁👊
I think we're due a wave of "wacky camera/[phone] experiments"
Once folding tech is a little more normalised; I suspect the Consolidation Phase we're currently in, will move on
Excellent video man!
You are spot on Juan. I used to work at Best Buy and some of my coworkers would try and sell customers what they liked and couldn't afford instead of selling the customers what they wanted and what met their needs. As a result, many customers left spending way more than they needed to and that just isn't cool. It's a business but to me that's bad business and many customers would return these items. As for the new tech, I love it and can't wait to see what the future holds. I'm with you also in the bigger battery and slightly thicker phone to balance out the 1 inch sensor. All in on that.
Yeah, no. I already miss variable aperture settings on my $500 mid-ranger; I'd miss 'em even more on a 1" sensor. Hell, my 1" sensor drone camera has a variable aperture, and I still use a set of NDs with it, because diffusion bites early.
A use-case approach is a great suggestion! My phone doesn't do what my drone camera does, and my DSLR doesn't do that a mirrorless body does... Don't even get me started about 645 and 4x5 film.
Suffice it so say there's different look to every jump in format. It has much to do with the lens focal length getting longer with each format jump. No such thing as "equivalent focal length" just Angle Of View
i need clarification on something
the v60 has a resolution of fhd+ but it's able to play games at ultra hd or the highest graphics...how do games define high graphics ? or its rather dependent on the GPU of the phone and not it's resolution?
okay, done watching part 1. I'm back here
We waited just for you 😊
i would just wish for a telephoto lens on my 6a
Thank you for this content, I just don't get why 1 inch camera 8-9 year old like my canon g7x ii cannot be mixed up with 1 inch sensor phone and maybe leave a 1 camera zoom f 1.9 24-100mm or 24-200mm sony rx100vii with nd filter instead of building 3 4 5 or maaaaaybeeee :))))) more low res glasses. But maybe it's just my logic and practical solving against the market. Thank you for the content.
I wish we could go single sensor too, but the big problem is what to do with the lens.
My Lumix 12-35 f/2.8 is a chunky piece of glass for m43, and there's NO way I'd want that on the back of a phone. The f/1.9 on the back of my Xiaomi is actually a faster lens than my Lumix wide open. It just cant zoom.
having different apertures is the only solution for 1inch sensors
4:55 whats the phone used for this output ??
What i like to see at the new sony phones is more megapixel cause i want to be able to print my nature photos out. No idea how it is with megapixels though? Why is 12 megapixel the standard in mobile photography lately?
A compromise between saved detail and file size. I much prefer 16-20mp myself, but I'm an outlier.
For many casuals, hell, 12mp is more than they need. 8-10mp is enough for social media posts or web pictures that will never be viewed at more than 4k on a phone or laptop.
@@nikytamayoagreed . But just give us the option. 24 mp and for example 12 or so
@@namelesssnitchy current trend is to offer 100-12, 50-12 or 200-50-12 combos. I've found 50 useful for cropping, but yes, a 20-25 option would be great.
I think the Aquos R6 had that. Bit easier to find is the Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro and the 10T Pro, whose 108s binned down 4-1 to 27mp (had the 10T Pro). My Mate 40 Pro has an unusually large 1/1.5" ultrawide that outputs native unbinned 20mp that's pretty nice, as well.
Yeah Juan I think I'm more a point and shoot person👍
Thank you ser
Fascinating video ❤
This is why true cameras just won't go away soon, a phone can't be a camera at the same time without being thiccer and heavier
I have to agree with you about the "too much blur" part!! This is why I don't favor an overly-large sensor... I want the whole subject to be in focus but with large sensors, usually only certain parts of the subject is in focus.. And not sure if this is to do with a large sensor or huge megapixels, but don't large sensors have trouble with focusing sometimes or slow? 😅 I think 1/1.5" is a pretty good size for mobile sensors plus pixel-binning maximum at 50mp. I don't see the point of having larger megapixels than that 🤷 lol
I still think anything bigger than 12mp doesn’t make sense.
@@Artemis-v8i It does. Pixel binning does have its advantages... Like you get a more detailed photo when you binned down from 50/48mp to 12/12.5mp compared to regular 12 megapixels photos. Also, less noise and this is proven for sensors with pixel binning.
Not enough comments here.
So there.
(I thought that was clever, but I am easily entertained)
What are your thoughts on the xiaomi 13 ultra? At least it has dual aperture
Stay tuned. 🙂
The blur issue is the one I already suffer from on my 1/1.33 sensor (Mi Note 10 Pro).
Edges are mostly out of focus (If I take a picture of a paper & want it to be readable, I have to zoom out then crop).
I don't understand what large sensor has to do with shutter speed in video? A small sensor and a large sensor with the same exposure settings will look equally bright. Yes, the larger sensor gathers more light in total, but per area it's the same. The advantage is that you can use higher ISOs wigh less noise. But it's not like large sensors somehow magically make the image brighter. The same shutter speed limitations apply to small and large sensors. Or are you just talking about how no phone manufacturer so far made a variable aperture lens for a large sensor?
Thanks,, you not mention type models who have 1"
Samsung aur apple best video recording on any smartphone....
so im gonna stick on my 4 year old huawei p30 pro i think so too😂
Phone is still a champ.
@@SomeGadgetGuy 1:14 this video feels aged well. After Xioami 13 ultra laucher. And Xioami 13 ultra also can use 67 mm ND filter
@@SomeGadgetGuy yes 5x periscope 10x hybrid zoom, a day of battery life, fast charging an acceptable video camera and CPU performance for day to day use..
1" sensor phone needs neutral density filter in line.
I'm using an unexpensive Redmi phone and let's me tell you, the cameras suck, both rear and front, no matter how much light you have, I just can't bear it. I'm looking for a flagship to go back to but so flagships these days are not that exciting to spend the money on, considering you can spend 1000e on a superb lens for your camera instead. Now I'm just laying low and wait for all this 1" sensor tech to mature on phones.
The main wide sensor is pretty well mature. 1" Types are REALLY good, especially when you can pair them with a variable aperture, and ND filters.
What's exciting now are the newer telephoto sensors on Xiaomi and Vivo. They dont "zoom" quite as far optically, but the sensor surface area on the Vivo X100 Ultra tele sensor is roughly the same as the main camera on the OnePlus 12.
It's a shame that Apple/Google/Samsung seem to be lagging in camera hardware...
@@SomeGadgetGuy I was super interested in Xiaomi 14 Ultra and its photography kits, but it wasn't available in Finland before. Now it's available but my friend in Vietnam has used it for awhile and he complains about its battery life all the time, so we're waiting if the 15 Ultra will fix this issue. At the moment, I'm also interested in the Oppo Find X7 Ultra but it's not available worldwide and the X8 Ultra might have a global version so I'm waiting for that as well 😅
Really hoping we see good global "Ultras" from Vivo and Oppo.
No, it cost the most so it's the bestest.
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damn i missed my samsung galaxy nx
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Sony lie about phones