These Insane DC Fast Charging Hubs In New York City Could Set The Standard For Urban EV Charging
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2023
- Kyle is visiting NYC to check out EV charging infrastructure - in this video he visits two Revel charging hubs to see how they're running. For the most part, they're charging their own fleet but these hubs are open to the public, which is cool.
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Whelp! We put in the wrong ending clip for the next video so after RUclips finishes processing don't be alarmed if it seems to cut off abruptly. Look out for the Flo AC curbside charging video in the next few days! So cool to see Tritium and Revel making DC charging a reality in NYC!
Long time subscriber here, but I too was blown away by the LOCATION. Born and bred in BK but moved away 45 years ago, but my Granma lived across the street from those last REVEL chargers. Times sure have changed in NYC.
I'd recommend Revel to everyone in NYC. They employ their drivers with paid time off and benefits unlike Uber or Lyft. Obviously it's all EV which is perfect in start stop driving. As consumers we should vote with our wallets.
I'm only familiar with their moped rental service in the bay area but I'm a fan of that as well!
@@at0mly not sure if they plan to launch cabs there but they are here in NYC and I pick them whenever I need a vehicle. Obviously in NYC mostly rely on subways, bikes or walking but a Tesla is great for an airport drop.
Good to know for our holiday visits
@@MC-bm3cy Always good to have a third option when surge pricing is on fire everywhere. Revel also surge prices, so it's sometimes a bit of a pain to have to choose between options.
That is great and all but once robotaxi is live the drivers are no longer needed.
6:00 dude was willing to admit he messed up and man enough to ask for help. Respect!
In my part of the UK, they replaced the old type of lamp posts and all LEDs.
Not only the upgrade paid for itself in under 2 years.
But due to a lot less power needed for lighting the same circuit/power cables can now be used for slow-charging cars overnight and up to 4 cars can be plugged into a socket with is part of the lamppost for on street parking and charging
Thank you for your insight ! It's a very simple yet impressive idea there ! @QALibrary
We already had new (old tech) lights in the lamposts many years ago. So it was very dim at night. Now they are replacing the lamps in the city to LED, and they said it was around $5.4 million, and would lower the energy needed by 30%. (they used something called high pressure sodium-lamps before). They said they thought they would save money cause you dont have to service led lamps as much. (A 100w sodium lamp is equal to a 1000w halogen lamp) so if the city had halogen lamps, it would be a big saving (and a lot of electricity to use :)
LEDS ARE TERRIBLE LIGHTS FOR YOUR EYES DUDE
And now they're retrofitting them with red filters because white light is attracting bugs at night and leading them to a massacare because bats are just gobbling up the inspects at night.
“That guy’s got a belt. He’s here to fix some things.” - Kyle is the best!! “He means business with that belt” - Kyle the positivity and fun nature on top of the info in your videos are what the world should always strive to be about. Thank you for making my day and many others.
Why does it seem like Chat gpt wrote this comment 🤔
I am glad that Kyle came back to NY to do a test on the charging and that he said NY is a perfect place to have an EV. Good job.
Why are those Revel cars not out driving, it must cost a fortune to just leave them in the garage.
They're probably gearing up for their expansion into other boroughs.
Exactly. Reminds me of all those abandoned EVs in China.
Can't say without more info. Could be a brand new installation, just now ramping up, or just getting new cars.
You see the scraps from wrapping the cars are still on the floor. And the staff are busy charging cars. If the cars were just sitting around, they wouldn't be busy charging them.
Nothing in this video indicates how much business Revel is doing. But it certainly does suggest they have cars available now.
@@thedopplereffect00The claims of "abandoned EVs" in China have been debunked. Those claims are pure, unadulterated BS.
What is needed at this and most other EV charging stations is a squeegee and bug wiper, plus sales of windshield washer fluid, compressed air, normal consumable car things.
For real. On road trips I have to pull my Ioniq 5 into gas stations just to clean the back windshield.
When you do the Flo Street chargers don’t forget to mention that the city is not at all enforcing ,EV charging only signs that they have put up. They are always iced. These kinds of programs don’t work without enforcement.
If they started ticketing and towing the ICE vehicles it could help pay for putting the charging in.
Can confirm. I used them frequently but struck out more times than I’d care to admit
Nice. Waiting for the Sun UK newspaper to grab the shots of the cars queuing to show the problem with EVs 😂
I used Revel when I was in NYC last week and it was flawless experience for me
We just visited NYC two weeks ago. We tried to use Revel as much as we could for ride share. It's awesome to see the behind the scenes for the charging. Each driver we talked to loved driving the Teslas. The revel network is growing and I hope they can expand to other areas quickly.
Take a shot every time he says “ripping”
It’s time for New York to start doing what England does!! And that’s to make charger spaces FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES ONLY and produce parking tickets for the ICE vehicles in the charging bays.
I wouldn't park a nice car on any NYC street. It's a daily occurrence that you'll see people try to squeeze into a tight spot and if they can't fit they'll push the other car with their car to make it fit
@@chrisak49you can’t push a Tesla
NYC has those street spaces but the police never enforce ICE parking.
Flo is a Canadian company based in Quebec. It’s also known as Add Énergie.. their DCFCs and L2 street dispensers are the backbone of the Circuit Électrique network here in Quebec. L2 street charging is everywhere in Montreal. My area has around 100 L2dispensers alone.. 1$ per hour It’s by far the best public network in North America and flys under the radar.
You were mentioning load balancing granularity, but every charger you used can balance its 150kW only as 2x75kW
Going to New York on holiday soon, had never heard of Revel, so will be using their service when there. Great informative video again Kyle.
Kyle, it's awesome... the way you look at EVs from all different angles.
It would be interesting to check with the Revel and Uber drivers experience using EVs in NYC. Max Miles per day, average miles per day, when/where they charge, waiting at the airports, etc.
It's so annoying how poor the user interfaces are on chargers - not giving you status on exactly what's going on, especially if there are problems - seems so common but there's really no excuse
Tesla has no interface. Best part is no part.
That doesn't seem to be a problem for Tesla, just plug in the cable and it works.
@@205rider8 until they do. v4's that are rolling out have the little contactless terminals and screens.
@@petehelme7714and that's just because they have to be compatible with incompetent competitors that don't have in car billing
Interesting to see that none of the Revel cars have Aero caps on the wheels. I guess they either would get stolen or fall off so they just leave them off. I guess in the urban environment the Aero wheels wouldn’t really matter because of lower speeds.
In lower Manhattan, all cars have at least 85 dents from running into other things, mostly cars. I know because I counted them. The covers would be shredded.
It's great you captured the credit card terminal freezing up. I would love to deep dive into why in the world the charging industry has so much trouble with point of sale systems. Seems like every other industry has figured it out. What's the background story here? Why is it so hard to have six nines reliability on a simple internet connected device?
The internet. Especially in an enclosed concrete building in the basement.
Yeah I don’t understand how I can swipe my card at a grocery store twice a week without fail but every time I use a CCS unit it errors out
wouldn't be surprised if the charging unit had not entirely reset from the AmEx attempt with the reader and there was a sync problem between the two. still sucks, but it probably worked itself out after a bit.
@@chirpie11 these PayTer units have a LAN port on the back, so I'd imagine they would wire that instead of the optional cell modem, especially in a garage situation.
@@chirpie11lmao they aren’t using a cell signal to process the payments.
Kyle, not sure if you have noticed but Easton Maryland finally got a Tesla Supercharging station with Magic Dock added.. First one in Maryland.. Went live like 2-3 weeks ago I think
Are you actually seeing CCS cars charging there? I ask because I frequently drive through the Eastern Shore in my travels between Virginia beach and NYC. The charging opportunities for my BMW EV are pretty much non-existent until I get to Wilmington.
It makes sense to have large numbers of 22kW AC in car parks, especially if you can put canopies and solar in at the same time. But equally there is a need for 250/350kW DC hubs and I think some hubs dedicated to delivery and taxi drivers, with facilities for those that are driving all day. Somewhere to chill and grab a coffee/meal while they top up their vehicle.
Not ac if localized solar is used and or onstie bess systems, instead do 25-50kwh dc so less total conversion losses&heat. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 Don't most DC to DC converters convert to AC first? The answer is yes.
@@tedmoss incorrect dc-dc steps up or down the voltage example 400v main pack down to 12-24-48v to run all your other accessories or charge the auxiliary 12v battery. A rectifier switches dc-ac 3 phase and an inverter switches ac back to dc. 😀
22kW AC is way too much
This longtime NYC resident and relatively new EV owner (Genesis GV60) really loved seeing this review. It's amazing how fast the charging infrastructure is growing and changing, with creative approaches to solving the unique challenges in the city. Love your enthusiasm and positivity, Kyle, looking forward to your AC charging segment.
I had a Model Y in Brooklyn for about a year- parked it on the street every day. The outdoor Revel superstation was my lifeline out there! Visited it once a week
Hey, I saw 4 new chargers put up at a senior center. A month later they were all broken. The copper was stolen in them.
We need this service in Fl all of major cities
You're glowing! You're so excited! It's awesome.
To answer the Q on what else you need at a charge station beyond vending machines and trash cans: water and squeegee, free air pump, and a canopy.
I had never even heard of Revel Transit until this video. I was blown away at their investment here! Looked into them a bit and their future seems bright. I wish them all the success.
Man, my parents rented a "Model Y equivalent" (lol), Genesis GV80, to come visit us this last week. From DEN to FoCo, then we went up and over, through Black Hawk, to Manitou and back. We were actually very impressed (for a Genesis).
They got here with over 85%, we topped up, charged a little j1772 in Lyons (maybe 8%, over breakfast) then only tried a chargepoint DCFC in Manitou before heading back. The chargepoint DCFC was embarrassing. 42kW... so we only added about 10% to CYA. Overall, we practically went from FoCo-Manitou and back on one charge.
It was actually really cool to charge off the Solar Roof at home, since we normally only charge the Leaf. I'd only used it at 3.3kW until they visited, and then we charged at 9.4kW using the GV80. I guess the main takeaway was that Chargepoint is only barely better than AC we've got at home.
IDK if my Mom could comprehend the lost opportunity of not getting a Tesla rental, but maybe next time she will.
Oh hey that's the Dime Building in Williamsburg! My first place in NYC was a block away at 5th & Rodney.
They should seriously consider one leg 277/480 v 3p L2. Tesla absolutely supports 277v a/c.
Even at 80% of 20A that’s 4.4kW , using super inexpensive NACS
Leave them plugged up, use the DCFC for rapid turn around times.
So one 480v 3 pole 20A would feed 3 tesla at 4.4kW. That’s super efficient and cheap. They could run dozens of 20A small connectors. I think that will also be the biggest improvement to airport parking. 277v would be cheaper to deploy and reduce voltage sag. Using 20A would dramatically lower the cost for placing dozens of connections at a site
Never seen so many Smurfs innNew York since the Smurf Movie. 👌
I’m curious to know whether Revel received the ev tax credit for every one of those Teslas.
Wow you were in my neighborhood. Brooklyn...nice video. Im exploring the idea of purchasing a model 3 but live in a condo... exploring charging options
Dont do that. Bad move. Better to move out to the suburbs before getting a Tesla.
So cool, that they were not wrapping your Model 3… 😂
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If you want to see another Trinium install come to the UK and see the shell recharge network. Been using it and it seems to be way more reliable than the stuff you guys have for public charging networks.
This definitely has the vibe of a company over spending to impress investors just before they go bankrupt. I don't see how all this infrastructure can be profitable
Never been to NYC but looks like a neat layout. How I'd imagine an EV-only Garage / lot to be, basically ;). Cool!
great video. Think you’ve got the wrong outro clip on the end though
Shit I do. Fixing!!
It seems like a site that big could use a natural gas LM2500 30Mw turbine onsite. Not sure if they could do a DC generator and get more efficient without the AC-DC conversion loss? But then the illusion that electric vehicles are "clean" may be broken, and it is better to hide the fuel burn in some poor areas outside the city limits.
Yup. Dig up the coal in Wyoming. Ship to to the East coast by rail. But hey. We are saving the world!
Natural gas co-generation in city limits is incredibly efficient in the winter. Especially for those big buildings.
@@jo9732 Wyoming coal is some of the best.
@@thedopplereffect00 Heat recovery to make steam to heat the nearby buildings is a great second use.
Solar with storage is cheaper than coal or "natural" gas now...
NYC had the first DC chargers about 1908, 115 years ago, Edison put them around Manhattan. They also were among the first to have Automat's in 1895.Vending machines were used after London, in 1888.
DC vs AC, Edison vs Tesla....they are now joining forces!
There are a lot of AC and DC charging locations in England!! I normally use charging hubs in either North Weald Bassett or Chipping Ongar.
I"m told that Europe/England uses three phase power for AC charging as well, which makes it a lot faster than here in the States. Your side of the World is definitely far ahead there.
@@bigoldjim4696 Yeah but only 1 in every 4 actually works.
this is what i want to see in chargers, payment by bank card not BS annoying apps!
Yeah, it’s so annoying when the app handles everything seamlessly and safely and all you need is your car
Meh… I would rather just plug in and charge.
@@89five3five Older cars can't do that
@@89five3fiveya especially when I've had issues where the card reader themselves is the thing that's brocken
What a noob you are. If you drive a Tesla and use Tesla superchargers, just plug the cable in and it works.
Regarding Flo chargers. They come from Canada. You should a city like Montreal where they have flow, curbside chargers, as well as medium speed, DC chargers at apartment blocks.
This is awesome!
Branden Flasch would lose his mind exploring these stations.
Looks like a complete mess down there. Several don't work, others payment terminals don't work and it's expensive. Hope that isn't the future of charging.
That is the future of charging for anybody not named Tesla.
Love it!
Kyle we need content of you ripping around in Revel’s THIRD business in Brooklyn: the dockless rentable moped e-scooters!
I think you should do a video on the big minus to get the minerals to make the batteries and what’s that’s doing the environment that would be an interesting video to see
He would never do that because making EV videos is his bread and butter. So what’s his incentive to show that evs don’t “save the world”
(Which they don’t.)
You could do the same for minerals used in your cell phone or gas car's catalytic converter. What does that specifically have to do with the end product? If you don't like it push for domestic mining and foreign import tariffs
great video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can they please come set up DC hubs in Ottawa Canada? We are severely lacking here. We need your channel to start shedding light on just how shit EV charging is in general in Canada since there’s no RUclipsrs covering the Canadian scene at all. Since you already cover Europe, would be great if you did some coverage up here.
Ottawa is a black hole of DCFCs and I cringe whenever we visit think it’s the nationals capital and EV infrastructure is so bad . We have it pretty good in Quebec though.
@@simplygregsterev Hell the Maritimes have it better than most of Ontario. Unless you’re in Toronto, all of Ottawa is a black hole. When I visit my parents in the GTA, their town has 2 major 400-series highways and it’s the gateway to cottage country & yet they have just a few slow level 2s, no DC. They don’t even have Tesla Superchargers (have to go to Toronto for that). There doesn’t seem to be any pressure from the public or willingness from elected officials in this province to do anything but the absolute bare minimum.
@@Wiseguy1138 the last Superchargers before the start of cottage country is Barrie next is Port Severn iirc. There is a bigger Ivy setup in at Innsfil iirc but yea it’s a total joke in Ontario. I did a very out of spec style 1000km road trip using only Circuit Électrique here in QC on Saturday with a Tesla. The video will be up eventually on my channel but it was too easy lol
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Thanks for the info. I'm confused, I have a 2020 M3, not CCS enabled, Can I still use the Tesla plug at the Revel station?
It blows my mind that people choose to live jammed on top of each other like that, and pay a premium for it. Cool installation though. I think my 32 amp level 2 charger is the most ambitious charging infrastructure in my town.
Damn, we need hubs like that for us here in L.A.😮... 49 cents is becoming the standard so it seems. Electrify america also raised their pricing (although it's 48 cents).... Kyle seemed so excited that he went up a ramp that was for entering only.😄....
as an ev6 owner I was hoping you would have walked over to see how much that red ev6 was pulling....
You mentioned that the parking garage has free 1 hr ev charging but you still had to pay?🤔... I've lived in New York decades ago, traffic is always bumper to bumper, which is why a lot of people just take the subway. I think it would take most people an hour just to get out of that parking lot if you're 3 levels down during lunch time... doesn't seem like it would be worth the hassle for just an hr.... regardless, New York is making strides in building an ev infrastructure unlike us in California who are still struggling to find a place with more than 4 chargers available...that actually work too.🙄
Looking at this, battery fires are the farthest thing from anyone's mind. That proves to me, that EV fires are a VERY rare thing!! That might be a reason why the chargers don't charge any faster, but more likely, its just the available power at that venue, to charge so many cars at the same time.
I’d like to learn more about the fleet management software
i feel like Kempower would do gangbusters in NYC, small satellites and I think 6-8 satellites per cabinet? killer.
Kempower could never match Tritiums grid as they need to allocate in 30kW blocks while Tritium can do it at 1kW steps
@@TedMellinActually in 25kW steps. But You are correct about that!
Kyle I’ve been commenting on a lot of your videos about this , you NEED to make a video on the ride share service Freebee it’s in Florida mostly but up on Virginia Beach and it’s free Tesla rides in select areas it’s a AMAZING service you need to document
Sounds amazing
Thanks for the tip!
At the end you reference flo after showing revel. It was a little confusing. Seems this clip should be used on the flo video. But this was a great review of the revel charging.
This is a great idea that we need implemented everywhere... except that it actually needs to work
Also super cool facility.
Great technology. No exhaust flumes.
Here in Ottawa Canada we have Flo chargers as well.
I didn't know about those charging in that area. If you talking about grid lock, that is cause you in Williamsburg, it use to be fine driving before DOT meddled with it and made it considerably worse. It is now pretty much the worse place to drive in the city now, and that not just for cars, if you are on a bike or a scooter it is just as bad. There are off streets in NYC where I don't even meet up with cars and try driving Time Square after 11pm on weekday, it is like in a ghost town.
If you are in Gowanus, I there was (or is) charging at the Whole Foods and it has a cool roof garden. And I heard Koppal Ford in Queens installed something, and there use to be one independent one on Queens Blvd (Highway 25) at the Zombie Carwash, but since they closed the fast charger looks blocked off. It is kind of a patchwork if you don't charge at home.
It pains me watching you try to use an Amex Platinum to charge which only gives 1x points when your Apple Card tap gives 2% cash back
Love that blue colour !
it seems like the ending (20:53 on) is talking about the FLO street chargers, rather than the Revel Hubs? I know you had talked about doing the FLO chargers in a separate video... did the endings get switched?
Overall, interesting video, coming from a Midwesterner, with no desire to drive in NYC...
That threw me off for a second as well 😂 I was like fLO I thought we were talking about revel
AMEX works if you swipe. Contactless and Chip wont.
Good meeting you at the Williamsburg garage and my Model Y made the video! 🎉
What kind of app do they use to manage the fleet charging?
Insane Cool 😮
That's where I charge my car lol. Revel is the only supercharging options for non-teslas as I drive an iD4
hey my friend spuds owns revel, so cool!
Aaawww this is so cool!! All the blue 💙😂and wow one CHAdeMO 😉
I would prefer lower charging speed for day parking spots downtown.
With all those Revel cars in the garage and open lot, are there any out earning money for the company? Seems like a lot of inventory sitting idle.
What seems to be needed is a MASSIVE increase in the number of chargers are available at each charging hub.
I don’t get it - how does a ride share company have such a huge amount of cars just sitting in this garage? Why aren’t they outside actually ferrying passengers and making money?
At any point in time half charge half ride.
@@SpottedSharks Except there's a ton of them in this video that clearly aren't charging
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Are they returning energy back to the grid? That could be a reason to keep the company cars plugged in.
No, that is not currently supported by Tesla
What percent do they run down to and charge to?
I'm sure there's already a question on this, but why do most of the cars have the hazards on?
What is the charging speed on revel station?
Can you check out Gravity’s new curbside DC fast charger
What if you built tunnels specifically for electric vehicles to move around the city. Several vehicles could be linked together to increase capacity. They would circulate on fixed routes 24/7 so there is no need for an app. The best part is that you wouldn't need charging infrastructure if you can deliver power to the moving vehicles along their route. I hope a city like NYC will be forward thinking enough to try this one day!
Why aren't the Revel cars on the road generating revenue? Something doesn't add up.
what was the total count of chargers at that location in New York? Oh, 116, OK, just found the location where you mention that...
I wonder if these are older units compared with the more modern 150kwH?
Yep. The 2nd place are RTM75 units. The first place PKM150 distributed units. (slight difference in the lights at the top is visible difference).
Interesting since Kyle's first video they've changed the adapter from using CHAdeMO (max 50kW) to CCS screwed on.
And presumably will use NACS cables when Tritium releases them as a retrofit.
i suspect charging at 50kW doesn't require any additional battery cooling. So you save on energy charging slower
They should probably have big fire doors and a extremely good fire suppression system.
why are the hazard lights all flashing.?
Guess if you had a Volvo or Polestar EV that has the charging port on the same side as Tesla, you'd have to use a NACS to CCS adapter to charge. 😁
Kyle, it looks like Revel is not having much success ride sharing… or is this just a staging area for new cars that are coming in for service?
Nice to see Kyle use the Amex plat! Instead on using the Apple Card in the past.
I am SOOO glad that Kyle stopped in NYC. As Kyle noticed, going 1 mile in NYC can be a major pain in the neck. So if I live in Queens, or some other part of Brooklyn, it would be a long painful effort to get to one of these 2 Revel Hubs. I know more of these hub locations are coming and one will be in Queens, not too far from me, but that will take a long time until it is fully operational. There are 150Kw chargers at JFK airport, but who wants to drive to the airport unless you're getting on a plane. All that to say that having an EV if you don't have a *convenient* way to charge is not a good option at this time. I cant wait to hear about the Flo A/C chargers on the street. It's so hard to find a parking spot and I imagine these street Flo chargers are either ICE'ed or someone leaves their EV blocking the Flo charger after their vehicle is charged.
On-street Level 2 EV charging in a place like NYC is going to be very tricky, given that the value of the parking space far exceeds the value of the electricity you can put into the car at level 2 speeds, on a per-hour basis.
This means that if the charger's parking space is priced solely on the cost of the electricity, everybody with an EV or plugin hybrid will try to park there, whether they need the charge or not. Some drivers will even intentionally throttle down their car's charging speed so that they can legally remain parked cheaply for longer. This means that people who really do need to charge their cars will be very unlikely to find an available space, even if the "EV charging only" rules are universally obeyed (which, in practice, they will not be).
Alternatively, the chargers can be priced based on the fair market value of the parking space, rather than electricity, which, by definition, means that there will be at least one open parking space per block at all times (the actual price of NYC street parking tends to be far lower than this, which is why they are always full). This way, EV drivers who really need a charge will be able to get one, but the electricity will be very expensive, as such a move effectively asks people who are already paying for a monthly (non-charging) garage parking space to pay for parking a second time in order to charge their car.
For these reasons, I think level 2 street charging makes sense in mildly dense urban areas (maybe the outer boroughs of NYC), but in places like Manhattan, where the real estate is very expensive, I think the only charging that is going to be both reliable and anything close to affordable is going to have to be DC fast charging, since that is the only way to put electricity into the battery at a fast enough rate where the fair cost of charging is actually dominated by the electricity, rather than the use of the parking space, and even then, it may be necessary to charge by the minute, rather than the kWh, so that drivers are not induced to clog up the charger, top-charging to 100%, simply to avoid paying for parking elsewhere.
No idea what you're talking about here. Most street parking in NYC is free currently. If those spaces required paying for electricity it would be a net revenue generator for the city
@@hotshotxi The *value* of the free parking spot is tremendous because so many folks have to compete for a very limited number of legal parking spots. The City will not get any revenue. The vendor, Flo, might eventually recoup the money they spent to get the Flo charger installed. The number of regulations are tremendous even with the City "helping" them deploy these street A/C chargers. I see the beginning of a Flo charger installation in lower Manhattan that has not been activated yet. It's been like that for over 9 months. This is not about revenue. It is about the extreme challenge to charge an EV in a dense City unless you have a house.